From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) RE: Kratwerk at TG Date: 01 Jun 1997 10:25:04 +0000 > Really? That's really good! I thought KW had lost their creativity... Do > you think that they in fact will release a new album this year? And what do I hope so! But I think they're shit-scarred to blow their cult status with a duff album after so long away (Electric Cafe got very bad reviews on it's release and I think that had a profound effect on their confidence). > you think about KW playing ONLY a new song? They don't have more, or it is > another of their "jokes"? Don't you think the concert was almost the same hmm, no one on the list has mentioned it but I thought they were about to launch into someting new before they came out to play Pocket Calculator - some strange sounds for about 10 seconds - there was no great reaction fom the crowd and it quickly faded away. Five minutes later the familliar opening of Pocket Calculator produced the biggest shout of the evening! > as 91's and 93's? more like the '93 concert i've seen (on bootleg video), though there were differences to most of the songs - not major structural changes to the arrangements but subtle changes in the drum patterns and basslines - gave them more of a contemporary feel. all the best, Jon. btw, have forwarded this to the list as well, thought others might have someting to say on some of these matters, particularly regarding the new song (Fir Orchard?) > > Fermn Goiriz > > > Jon Alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) Recent KW documentary on Radio 1 Date: 01 Jun 1997 10:25:04 +0000 For those interested in hearing the recent one hour long KW documentary boadcaston Radio One, a version in RealAudio can be found at: http://www.neox.demon.co.uk/kw/audio.html Jon Alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw)The name of the company Date: 01 Jun 1997 23:13:38 +0900 Dear 'Werkers, At 23:27 31/May/1997 JST, wrote: > Do you know a formal name of KW's company in Dusseldorf? Some GIF files in www.kraftwerk.com has copyright info as follows. -------- (C) Copyright Klingklang (R) Studio 1997 Klingklang and Kraftwerk are (registered) trade- and servicemarks of Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider. -------- Isn't it the organisation for R&F? Or, like some musicians, they might be independent of any company. For instance, graduate list ("O.B. meibo" in Japanese) of Shinjuku High School lists Ryuichi Sakamoto only as a "musician", not an employee. Cheers, Hiroshi. p.s. I live in Tokyo too, near JR/Seibu Kokubunji station. 8-) ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: altrnote@sprynet.com (Joe Schepis) Subject: (kw) TG equipment Date: 01 Jun 1997 11:34:37 -0400 Hello all, I just got back from a week's vacation in London and wanted to add to the great reviews of KW at Tribal Gathering. I arrived at the Trans Europe tent around 3 and saw few if any people near the stage. I wasn't even sure I was in the right place until the crew opened the curtain to pass some steel beams through and I caught glimpse of the equipment racks. By 7pm it was right cozy by the stage front and at 8:45 everyone stood up and packed in tightly around us. We had no choice but to stare at the black curtain for about 90 minutes. Thankfully the DJ set ended by 9, leaving only the relative quietness and droning bass sounds from the adjacent tents. Eventually the moment came when the show started and I could not believe my good fortune to be at the front barricade. I was fairly centered, skewing a little Florian if you will. The view was great, and I was able to study the equipment and stage set while also getting into the music. A lot of facts about the show have already been discussed here, but I can add a few observations. For one, things have certainly changed equipment wise since the previous concert I saw way back in 1981. I saw videos of the 1991 tour but they were from a distant vantage point and very grainy. I was surprised that the equipment is streamlined now and the console behind them is no longer V-shaped. A lot of the neater artifacts are left at home nowadays I suppose. In the center racks was the computer that controlled the graphical display projected on the TV monitors. Before each song started a large window on this computer monitor showed a sample screen shot from the song that was about to begin. Unlike the projected images, this screen never changed during a song. There was a large MOD (magneto optical disk) drive by this computer, and a smaller one in the rack to the left. After every few songs, Fritz and Henning were charged with flipping over or replacing the disks. No doubt it takes a lot of storage to keep all those samples on line. A couple of devices had a running time code display, which started over from 00:00:00:00 every time they changed disks. I got a strong impression that the prerecorded song (The Robots/Robotronik) played while the robots danced was played from this disk system given the synchronized video. In any case, it worked well. While the data loads, Ralf and Florian fill the silence with musical interludes (evidenced in Tour de France for example). The hand held instruments used during Pocket Calculator have also changed. They seem much less like instruments now but rather remote controls for the equipment behind. Florian's device had about 6 buttons, which seemed to be mute/unmute controls for various effect tracks. As was already mentioned, Florian was having a great time during this number, contorting to the sounds he picked out as he did 16 years ago. Ralf's device was not a proper keyboard anymore, but a row of buttons which permits him to play the basic melodic stuff needed. I could see fear in Ralf's eyes when the curtain got stuck while closing and he was forced to play a few more bars of the song from this device than he was likely expecting. Florian was so captivating I didn't notice what Fritz or Henning were up to at all. I had a great view of the underside of the keyboard stands, but I wished I could see above. There were no clues of what anyone was doing or with what gear I was sad to find. In 1981, there were lights on the front of Karl's keyboard that at least showed what keys he was pressing. It was great to see who was playing what back then. No neon light name boxes, LED ties, electric flute, vocoder, percussion pads, no Karl or Wolfgang, and they didn't let the audience play during Pocket Calculator. But it was still pure fascination and enjoyment and I will never forget this historic concert. It was great to see it all and hear a NEW song, and if there is any doubt that the boys still "have it," fear not. The English countryside will never be the same. Joe Schepis _____ __ ___ ____ _____ | Alternote Music Systems / \| |/ \/ \/ ___| | Joe Schepis / /\ | /\ /\ |\__ \ | altrnote@sprynet.com | \/ | | | | | |___\ | | home.sprynet.com/sprynet/altrnote \__/|__|__| |__| |__|_____/ | "you call that NOISE? that's MUSIC!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: (kw) Help Date: 01 Jun 1997 14:26:33 -0700 Can someone forward me the digest versions of the list containing summaries, thoughts, and opinions on the whole Tribal Gathering performance? I unsubscribed to the list right before that, and subscribed under another e-mail address, but it never came through. I was really anticipating what all of you would say about it. Thank You ;) K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) new song ? Date: 01 Jun 1997 19:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Hi! I heard and read that KRAFTWERK played a new song at TG. Is it true ? And if, about what is it ? What's its name ? Has anybody a copy of it ? Will anybody put it into the net ? (on TV, I saw some pictures of their appearance, but they didn't show them with music, neither they played the new song) I hope someone can help me! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. http://members.aol.com/depechecbi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) What do you mean?! Date: 02 Jun 1997 09:03:56 +0100 Hi there, Well I have just returned from a weeks sickness and am trying to read = all my e:mails, one question I would like to ask you all concerns the = statements about Kraftwerk not performing any new material at TG. I was there in the flesh and it was absolutely brilliant, much better = than the MIx tour '91when I saw them at Brixton. What was the track = they played before Musique Non Stop, as in my opinion and everyone elses = around me at the event, this was a new track? They came on in black = boiler suits with a luminous green grid effect overlaid, much like the = artwork for Electric Cafe. I will give those that are interested a run down of the show later. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Barnard Subject: (kw) Radio 1 Date: 02 Jun 1997 09:28:29 +0100 Apparently Radio 1 broadcast an hour of 'highlights' from Tribal Gathering yesterday (Sunday June 1st) at 2000 BST for one hour. I am informed that there was not a single Kraftwerk track featured. Can anyone confirm this? If true then this is disgraceful treatment again from Radio 1 (on a headline act too!). Perhaps we should all write to 'Points Of View'..... David Barnard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) TG Reviews Date: 02 Jun 1997 04:48:52 -0400 Hi All, This weekend has been spent collecting as many reviews on TG as possible.= As previously posted by Klaus, there are a few online, as well as on pape= r. The overlying trend is that all concede that the TG gig was in fact a historic occasion, in which KW DID NOT damage their reputation as the 'fathers of Techno', as they were predicting may happen!!! On the point of the Drum Machine patent by R & F, we shouldn't assume tha= t ALL drumboxes are patented by R & F, but it could be the case that 'contact' type drumboxes, requiring drumsticks, stem from this design. (a= ka the modified box used in Autobahn). Maybe this is the patented design. If this is the case, is it correct to assume that when Roland sols their 'Octapad' units, they paid royaltly to= R & F??? Comments Please....... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk Subject: (kw) Schneider's patent Date: 02 Jun 1997 11:09:25 +0100 In response to Conny >In order to recieve a patent your invention must be totally unknown to >the public before you apply. This is slightly incorrect and misleading.If it were true how come the Japanese reinvent the photocopier 200 times every week? What is patentable? In order to be patentable ,an invention must be 1)novel 2)involve an inventive step 3)be capable of industrial application >This was obviously not the case for drum machines in general by the year of >1975. This is rather an *application* for a very special principle of >constructing drum machines. Correct - you can not say that Kraftwerk invented the drum machine (I must try a patent search to see if I can find who did!) but Florian and his two chums were granted a patent for their inventive step >You cannot see from this document if the patent were ever granted, and you >cannot see what *kind* of invention this actually is.Patent-applyers often try >to make the title of their patent documents as cryptic as possible, in order to >make it more difficult for their competitors to find the invention. Correct again.I have included below the record of Florian's invention from our database (WPI - the largest in the world) 1/1 WPIL - (C) Derwent Info. 1997- image TI - Synthesising singing in real time - using keyboard input applied to musical instrument digital interface hardware and speech processor IC in real time DC - W04 P86 PA - (SCHN/) SCHNEIDER F IN - SCHNEIDER F; OTT G J; JALASS G NP - 1 NC - 004 PN - EP-396141 A 901107 DW9045 DS - DE FR GB LA - Eng PR - 89US-347367 890504 AP - 90EP-108393 900503 CT - No-SR.Pub IC - G10H-005/00; G10L-005/04 AB - EP-396141 The system has manually actuable devices e.g. keys (1) for producing different first electrical signals corresponding to the device actuated and varying in real time with duration and frequency of actuation. A musical instrument digital interface (15) is receptive to the electrical signals for generating standard data output signals in real time for musical notes corresponding to the signals. At least one phoneme speech synthesizer (17) is receptive of phoneme codes for generating real time analog signals corresponding to a signing voice, a circuit (10,12,13) is receptive of the interface output signals for converting them in real time to phoneme codes and for applying them to the speech synthesizer in real time. ADVANTAGE - Real-time synthesis, not possible with existing. (9pp Dwg.No.1/4) MC - W04-U03 W04-U09 W04-V02 What can we glean from this?That Florian is the Patent Assignee and he (along with his two chums) is also the inventor.The patent is a European patent (published in English) which protects their invention in Germany,France and Great Britain. No search report was published by the European Patent Office but I looked on our Patents Citation Database and found that this patent had been cited by one other Patent (shown below).BTW A patent will be cited if it relevant to another subsequent patent application. 1/4/1 DIALOG(R)File 351:DERWENT WPI (c)1997 Derwent Info Ltd. All rts. reserv. IM- *Image available* TI- Karaoke apparatus which modifies live singing voice by model voice - combines separated lead consonant component with substitute vowel component in place of separated subsequent vowel component| PA- YAMAHA CORP (NIHG ) AU- KAGEYAMA Y PN- EP 723256 A2 19960724 EP 96100541 A 19960116 G10H-001/00 199634 B PN- JP 8194495 A 19960730 JP 954849 A 19950117 G10L-005/04 199640 PN- EP 723256 A3 19961113 EP 96100541 A 19960116 G10H-001/00 199701| CT- EP 396141; EP 509812; US 4731847; WO 8805200| LA- EP 723256(E 14); JP 8194495(9)| DS- DE; FR; GB AB- EP 723256 A 199701 The apparatus includes a memory which stores primary characteristics of a model voice. An input device collects an input singing voice of the player. The input singing voice is analysed and secondary characteristics are extracted. A synthesiser synthesises an output singing voice of the player according to the primary characteristics and the secondary characteristics. The input singing voice is converted into the output singing voice while modified by the model voice. An output device produces the output singing voice together with the karaoke accompaniment. ADVANTAGE - Variably processes live singing voice to improve voice quality. Dwg.1/6| DC- P86; W04| IC-
G10H-001/00| The upshot of all this is that the only invention coming anywhere near to Florian's invention is a Yamaha Karaoke machine!!! I did a search for any other patents by Florian or Ralf (Hutter R) but there were none to be found.This still leaves unanswered the intriguing question - where do they get their money from????? If anybody wants a copy of Florian's patent (complete with diagrams) email me with your snail mail address and I'll try to get some copies in - there may be a small charge unfortunately for this Cheers Dave "2 yards from the front" Holton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) Radio 1 Date: 02 Jun 1997 10:06:47 The trailer for this show certainly didn't feature Kraftwerk at all. I suspect they just didn't have permission for a repeat broadcast. _______________________________________________________________________________ INTERNET-UUCP Apparently Radio 1 broadcast an hour of 'highlights' from Tribal Gathering yesterday (Sunday June 1st) at 2000 BST for one hour. I am informed that there was not a single Kraftwerk track featured. Can anyone confirm this? If true then this is disgraceful treatment again from Radio 1 (on a headline act too!). Perhaps we should all write to 'Points Of View'..... David Barnard # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Radio 1 Date: 02 Jun 1997 07:39:42 -0400 Message text written by David Barnard >Apparently Radio 1 broadcast an hour of 'highlights' from Tribal Gathering yesterday (Sunday June 1st) at 2000 BST for one hour. I am informed that there was not a single Kraftwerk track featured. Can anyone confirm this? If true then this is disgraceful treatment again from Radio 1 (on a headline act too!). Perhaps we should all write to 'Points Of View'..... < yeah, and find out why thr first two tracks were so slow!!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) Siemens & KW Date: 02 Jun 1997 14:09:49 +0100 Hi all! I was just looking out my window on the street below and almost had a cardiac arrest! The trams here in Gothenburg, Sweden, have been covered with ads saying "KRAFTWERK" in huge block letters and after that in smaller print "Sehr gut!". After some recovering I dug out my binoculars to take a closer look at the next tram passing by, and apparently it was Siemens-Nixdorf advertising a PC and the "A" in "Kraftwerk" was substituted with a picture of that PC. I'd like to know if this is an international campaign and if anybody else outside Sweden has seen it? I wonder what R&F have to say about it (considering copyrights) - perhaps Siemens-Nixdorf has come to some kind of agreement with KW if (?) Siemens has ever supplied them with equipment... BTW, the Swedish word for "power-plant" is "kraftverk" (note the "v"). Gerade aus! -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) From the EMI WWW pages Date: 02 Jun 1997 14:35:06 +0200 (DFT) http://www.emimusic.de/n/spin/spin.html contains a mini-review of Kraftwerk's appearance at the Tribal Gathering festival: Kraftwerk Einen wahrhaft phaenomenalen Auftritt boten nach jahrelanger Abstinenz Kraftwerk in Luton / UK beim Tribal Gathering Festival. Es gab eine Weltpremiere: es wurde ein noch unbetitelter neuer Song vorgestellt, der frische Housesounds bot, der aber durch Kraftwerk typische Elektronik- Elemente gebrochen wurde. Rainer Huetter und der Rest von Kraftwerk traten in schwarzen Anzuegen mit neongruen leuchtenden Streifen und ebensolch neongruenen Brillen auf. Waehrend der Show, der knapp 15.000 Leute in einem Zelt dicht gedraengt, frenetisch beiwohnten, kamen auch wieder die Roboter zum Einsatz. Kraftwerk spielten u.a. "Autobahn", "Radioaktivitaet", "Trans Europa Express" , "Taschenrechner" und natuerlich "Wir sind die Roboter". Wann der erste Tontraeger zu hoeren sein wird ist leider immer noch unklar. Die Spannung steigt! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DM Shand" Subject: (kw) Is this gold? Date: 02 Jun 1997 15:06:34 GMT +0200 Hi Kraftwerk Lovers! A few of the Kraftwerk albums popped up in our music library, here in the music library at the University of Natal. Needless to say things are rather dormant here in South Africa with regards to the Euro scene, so It was a stroke of luck that I found the likes of Autobahn which alternatively lead to Radio - Activity and The Man Machine. These Three albums really impressed me with regards to plotting some sort of historical background tp what Techno and Computer Generated music is today. Kraftwerk has that wonderful way, in these albums I have heard of emphasising the raw industrial feeling if that is what I can call it, but there drum loops and soundscapes are gorgiously solid. Kraftwerk has a wonderful way of writing a simple melody line which really works like perhaps in the classics we remember those catchy melodies that stick in our minds for ever. Enough smulch, they are really great to listen to and well I hit the net to see ....and Xmission provided this wonderful service and it really works, I got 15 messages this morning....very pleased!!!!! Let us hope that this message does what it supposed to do and that is to reach all those dudes who reached me this morning......... I gather I missed the TG concert, which happened not to long ago....damn.......without feeling sorry for myself...there is no way of me reaching any form of concert like what was described in the e-mails until i get myself to Europe. I write my own music, usint the audio Studio here at University......it is kind if different music that mixes a lot of acoustic with digital Computer generated sound...I have spotted that album in the library that has a lot of improvised flute on ot but the name is not on my mind.....it looks interesting. I am doing my thesis in electro acoustic music and well Kraftwerk kind of jumped into the whole thing and opened up my mind to listen more and more to great bands and pick up good ideas from them...what Kraftwerk did at the TG is amazing..that whole interactive thing with robots dancing and lazer discs and remote controls etc. Could someone perhaps explain further about the music that is being produced and how ther performance is being structured in relation to the technology that they are building and designing...innovative is not the word.... these guys are way up the technology food chain if you know what I mean!!!! I got a shot of Florian's bedroom or flat, man that couch looks comfortable......... get back to me Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) From the EMI WWW pages Date: 02 Jun 1997 14:23:47 Very, very interesting indeed. What's it all mean then? _______________________________________________________________________________ http://www.emimusic.de/n/spin/spin.html contains a mini-review of Kraftwerk's appearance at the Tribal Gathering festival: Kraftwerk Einen wahrhaft phaenomenalen Auftritt boten nach jahrelanger Abstinenz Kraftwerk in Luton / UK beim Tribal Gathering Festival. Es gab eine Weltpremiere: es wurde ein noch unbetitelter neuer Song vorgestellt, der frische Housesounds bot, der aber durch Kraftwerk typische Elektronik- Elemente gebrochen wurde. Rainer Huetter und der Rest von Kraftwerk traten in schwarzen Anzuegen mit neongruen leuchtenden Streifen und ebensolch neongruenen Brillen auf. Waehrend der Show, der knapp 15.000 Leute in einem Zelt dicht gedraengt, frenetisch beiwohnten, kamen auch wieder die Roboter zum Einsatz. Kraftwerk spielten u.a. "Autobahn", "Radioaktivitaet", "Trans Europa Express" , "Taschenrechner" und natuerlich "Wir sind die Roboter". Wann der erste Tontraeger zu hoeren sein wird ist leider immer noch unklar. Die Spannung steigt! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Skylink3@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Schneider's patent Date: 02 Jun 1997 10:53:35 -0400 (EDT) well they must get money from the amount of people who have sampled them. future sound of london biz markie information society anything box eric b and rakim africa bambataa elektric music (ha!) AND MANY MANY more. don't they receive royalties for samples? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Re: Anyone sussed the hardware? Date: 02 Jun 1997 15:35:34 +0000 Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk wrote:- >Subject: (kw) Anyone sussed the hardware? > >Did anyone at the concert ascertain exactly what kind of kit the guys had. I had a peek through a gap in the curtains after the concert, but could only make out a couple of Akai samplers, mixers, patchbays and a CD player of the type used by DJs and radio stations. >Lastly a secret source I have (sorry but I cannot divulge any information) has >confirmed that the title of the new track is FIR ORCHARD. Strange title! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) new song ? Date: 02 Jun 1997 16:19:11 GMT DepecheCBI@aol.com,Internet writes: Hi! I heard and read that KRAFTWERK played a new song at TG. Is it true ? And if, about what is it ? What's its name ? Has anybody a copy of it ? Will anybody put it into the net ? (on TV, I saw some pictures of their appearance, but they didn't show them with music, neither they played the new song) I hope someone can help me! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. http://members.aol.com/depechecbi Hallo Karsten! Ja, es stimmt. Der neue Song ist Instrumental und klingt sehr ah... tja, wie soll man sagen? Er klingt sehr aktuell nicht so Kraftwerkisch wie gewohnt und kommt gut! Es ist der Song fur einen Wegen Copy und ins Netz einspeisen, musst Du auf andere Leute hoffen. Ich hab davon keine Ahnung, und bis es eine erste Copy auf CD geben wird (vom TG-Gig) wirds noch dauern.... Grusse aus Wien Josef MS.: Hast Du zufallig die Adresse von einem der 2 Fan-Clubs die es in Deutschland gibt??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) The Main Event Date: 02 Jun 1997 17:20:47 +0100 Well now that I have finally returned to work and sorted through my 150 = e:mails, I am now in a position to express my feelings on TG '97. I arrived at the event earlier than I had planned, around 18.00 hours = and proceeded to get my bearings and plan our running routes between = performances! The first tent I obviously made haste for was the = Kraftwerk one, I was hoping to catch sight of the stage and equipment = setup, but could not see much at all. There were quite a few other = people hanging around as this tent was playing some crap ambient type = music that never really amounted to anything. We then popped into the Detroit tent which to our surprise was just = warming up, we were surprised as the DJ line-up noted that no-one was = playing until later in the evening. When we arrived D-Wynn was just = starting his set, this was absolutely awesome, then Kevin Sanderson came = on and followed suit with an excellent set. We then went to see Mr. C = who played a good Techno selection, even mixing in the Kevorkian remix = of Tour De France. My friend who I was with wanted to check out something a bit harder, so = we went to see Hardfloor who played live, although I don't like my = Techno too hard, these were quite good, it got me dancing anyway! The came the moment we were waiting for, Kraftwerk. I could not believe = the amount of people that were packed into the tent, it was so bad that = the organizers had to remove the side panels in order to let more people = see the event. It was a strange crowd because everyone was trying to = see what all the fuss was about over four old blokes who have been = around for over 20 years. There were quite a few younger people who had = never even heard of Kraftwerk around me, these passed various verdicts = on the show, but most people decided with their feet!! Some left saying = it was a load of shit, yet others were totally amazed by the visual and = audio quality of the music being played. Personally I thought that the show was a lot more polished, especially = the quality of the sound equipment compared to Brixton '91. It is true = that they did only play one new tune, but bear in mind that the majority = of the people there have only ever heard the bare minimum of their = material. One young girl (who actually took a fancy to me, probably my = six foot two large muscular frame that did it!!) had only ever heard = Autobahn on the radio, and had never seen them as she was only 12 in = 1991. I thought that Man Machine was spectacular live. And the new = track, well very LFO style in the way it kept rising until that awesome = base line dropped in and blew our minds. The Kings are here!! The only niggle which was no fault of KW, was that dredded curtain which = kept failing to close, the stresses of playing live heh?! After Kraftwerk we saw Dave Clark playing live, wicked Techno, then = Masters at Work four deck mixing which was spotless, and afterwards DJ = Sneak, Roger Sanchez and Junior Sanchez six deck mixing, awesome!! By = this time I was knackered, I left to get home only to get stuck in the = car park for two and a half hours. When I got home I was busy preparing = for my party the Sunday night which went on until four in the morning, = two nights with no sleep. Regarding the t-shirts on sale at the event, me and my friend thought = that they were actually a bit tacky, plus, due to our size, as I = mentioned earlier, big boys, we thought they were too small anyway. I do feel sorry for those that had to put up with the Radio 1 descison = to air only what they thought to be good airtime play, but I hope for = all those who didn't make it that Kraftwerk decide to tour = Internationally with the release of their new material. Best Regards, Craig. PS. Andrea, you missed a wicked event.......love 'n' kisses!!!!!!!!!!!! = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: (kw) Patent rules Date: 02 Jun 1997 20:09:08 +0200 Regarding the "patent-rules" I just want to make clear that what I meant = when I wrote "In order to recieve a patent your invention must be = totally unknown to >the public before you apply", was exactly what Dave Holton meant when = he wrote that an invention must be "novel". =20 Perhaps "novel" is a clearer way of formulation (even if it is not as = exclusive). That's how it is possible to "reinvent" a photocopier a thousand times. = (I guess it wasn't a coincidence that Dave choose "the japanese" as an = example of this :)) Dave has e-mailed me privately and apoligized for this. :)=20 BTW thank you Dave for extending the search. It's funny that there is a = (small) similarity between a Karaoke-machine and KW-high-tech-stuff. = (well, the "real-time-singing-machine" seem to be quite simple judging = from the drawings) Sorry for beeing a bit off-topic, I just wanted to re-establish my "good = name". :) Conny =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ralphg@dove.mtx.net.au (Ralf Grasso) Subject: Re: (kw) Tapes, recordings, Mini Discs... Date: 03 Jun 1997 07:04:00 +0930 >In a message dated 97-05-29 20:29:28 EDT, bml@bgi.on.ca (Bruce M. Lloyd) >writes: > ><< > If *anyone* has a copy of the TG show, I would love a copy. I am DYING > to hear this new track. > > Let me know if you have it on tape or anything and I will pay for a copy. > > Bruce > Same here!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Anyone sussed the hardware? Date: 03 Jun 1997 02:10:24 +0200 >>Lastly a secret source I have (sorry but I cannot divulge any information) has >>confirmed that the title of the new track is FIR ORCHARD. > >Strange title! > Perhaps is FIR ORCHARD the new title of a track - but are the letters in the wrong order. Any suggestion for titles to make with FIR ORCHARD? I think FOR RICHARD is a nice one. Laterz, Johan. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) From the EMI WWW pages Date: 03 Jun 1997 03:47:03 -0200 At 14:23 02.06.1997, you wrote: >Very, very interesting indeed. What's it all mean then? Content in a nutshell, for all non-german readers * having not appeared for years KW gave a really stunning performance * world premiere of a new yet untitled song offering fresh house-sounds and electronic-elements typical for KW * KW wore black suits with lightning-green stripes and green glasses (oh dear, did they really say "Rainer Huetter"??? shame on them!) * around 15.000 people visited the performance * the robots appeared, too * playlist: "Autobahn", etc. (amongst others) * It is yet unknown when CDs (etc.) will be published Bye, Thomas (tmorper@karlstadt.netsurf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Morper Subject: (kw) KW-articles in german magazines Date: 03 Jun 1997 03:47:06 -0200 There are articles about KW in recent issues of the following german magazines: Musik Express Sounds: History of the band, discography with "thumbnails" of all album covers, several photos, some thoughts of Ralf Huetter about "Kraftwerk", short interview with Wolfgang Fluer; the cover shows Florian Schneider's robot Der Spiegel: Very short article about the TG-performance Bye, Thomas (tmorper@karlstadt.netsurf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Loud/RCA 07863 69005 Date: 02 Jun 1997 22:16:37 EDT TOMORROW: THE DAY YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOUR YEARS FOR!!!! No, it's not a new Kraftwerk album or the long-overdue VHS release of the "Gatchaman" TV episodes, but it's the next-best thing! THE WU-TANG KILLA BEEZ RETURN WITH THE ENHANCED DOUBLE CD "WU-TANG FOREVER"!!!! 27 TRACKS OF REAL SHIT FOR YOUR LISTENING PLEASURE!!!! PHAT MULTIMEDIA FOR MACS AND WINTELS!!!! GET YOUR COPY NOW!!!! WU-TANG CLAN AIN'T NUTHIN' TA @#$& WITH!!!! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) drum machines Date: 03 Jun 1997 08:43:39 +0300 Julian Seifert wrote: > On the point of the Drum Machine patent by R & F, we shouldn't assume that > ALL drumboxes are patented by R & F, but it could be the case that > 'contact' type drumboxes, requiring drumsticks, stem from this design. (aka > the modified box used in Autobahn). > > Maybe this is the patented design. If this is the case, is it correct to > assume that when Roland sols their 'Octapad' units, they paid royaltly to R > & F??? The original Kraftwerk drum sticks had wires going to the pads, so when Wolfgang hit the pad there was an impulse of electric current that triggered the drum synth. Or so I imagine - I built a drum machine like that after I became a KW fan, and it werked fine. On the other hand, pads like Octapad and Simmons handle the triggering business differently. We used to have an old Simmons system in our studio and it has contact microphones inside the surface, so when you hit a pad, the volume of the hit gets converted to a voltage inside the sound unit. I guess the Octapad werks pretty same (I haven't looked inside) except of course the volume gets converted to a midi signal. So, I don't think Florian is getting any money from Roland... Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Tapes, recordings, Mini Discs... Date: 03 Jun 1997 04:25:27 -0400 Message text written by Ralf Grasso >Same here!! < Oh dear, this is starting to look like alt.binaries.warez !!! I thought the purpose of this list was discussion, not 'me too' threads. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) May the Force........... Date: 03 Jun 1997 08:35:16 I forgot to ask previously, was the person waving the green Star Wars Lightsabre all through the Kraftwerk concert a list member? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luke Welsh Subject: (kw) Why Liechtenstein? Date: 03 Jun 1997 02:14:08 -0700 http://www.kraftwerk.li ^^^ --Luke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "esf18 - user" Subject: (kw) "business, numbers, money, people" Date: 03 Jun 1997 12:15:31 MET Hallo, I'm Stefan Louwers, 26 years old and new to the "Kraftwerk"-mailing list. I live in Nijmegen (Holland), at about an hour and a half away from Dusseldorf, and I'm currently post-graduating in Historical Information Processing at the University of Leiden. I have also worked as a music journalist for a Dutch newspaper and some magazines (and sometimes still do). Like many of you I went to the Tribal Gathering, especially for Kraftwerk. I saw them before in Utrecht (1991) and Groningen (1993). Although these last two concerts were very much the same, they already played 'Man-Machine' in Groningen and there was the same cycling shirts-merchandise as at the Tribal Gathering. I wanted to react on the question where they get their money from these days. I think it's very simple: from their music. Kraftwerk gets a relatively great amount of royalties for each record they sell, because they own both the copyrights and the production credits of their 'Produkte'. After their last real new album in 1986 they profited from the CD-releases of their old albums. Also artists who sample Kraftwerk for more then a few seconds or cover their songs, have to donate royalties directly to them. I was very pleased when I heard that Kraftwerk would play at the Tribal Gathering and that there is an album scheduled, because a year ago I spoke with Ralf Hutter about the use of their music in some of the films of German cinematographer Rainer Werner Fassbinder in a coffee house near Dusseldorf Station (presumably also near the Kling Klang studio, but I still haven't figured out it's precise location). I asked him if they were still working in the studio and would release a new record in the nearby future. He said: "Yes, we still work. But we're not gonna release a new record. Only if we have to." He wouldn't explain the last comment. I think this is the right time to release new Kraftwerk material, because 'old school techno' is the next 'new' thing. Bye, Stefan Louwers (By the way: I also would be very interested in a tape of the TG-concert). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Godfrey Subject: (kw) Re: Radio 1 broadcast "The Best of Tribal Gathering" Date: 03 Jun 1997 05:06:34 -0600 At 12:15 02/06/97 -0600, David Barnard wrote: >Apparently Radio 1 broadcast an hour of 'highlights' from Tribal >Gathering yesterday (Sunday June 1st) at 2000 BST for one hour. >I am informed that there was not a single Kraftwerk track featured. Can >anyone confirm this? If true then this is disgraceful treatment again >from Radio 1 (on a headline act too!). >Perhaps we should all write to 'Points Of View'..... Every Sunday night 8:00-9:00pm, Radio 1 broadcasts a pre-recorded "live" concert. I was hoping this show would air a bit more of Kraftwerk, as it was billed as "The Best of Tribal Gathering". I recorded the show just incase, but Kraftwerk were indeed not included. The first half-hour included one song each by various artists, and the second half-hour was taken up with a very cut-down Orbital set. As for writing to Points of View*, I'm certainly going to complain to the BBC. I suggest any other UK residents should do the same - I say UK residents as we have to pay an annual licence fee which funds the BBC, which is in turn obliged to serve the licence payers. * for anyone who doesn't know, this is a BBC programme on which viewers can air their delight/disgust about BBC programmes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) 1-2-1 2-4-6 Date: 03 Jun 1997 10:21:12 Is there in existance a studio-quality copy available of the version of Numbers first heard in '91 and last heard at TG? (None of the live cd's I have of the '91 tour come near to Virtu ex Machina with regard to sound quality) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) May the Force........... Date: 03 Jun 1997 10:52:16 The person that burst the balloon was a skinhead with attitude! God knows what he was doing there, afterall it was Kraftwerk, not Madness we were there to see. _______________________________________________________________________________ Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk wrote: > > I forgot to ask previously, was the person waving the green Star Wars Lightsabr e > all through the Kraftwerk concert a list member? oh yeah, and who burst the big balloon? (you bastard!) :-) Jon Alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) May the Force........... Date: 03 Jun 1997 07:24:42 -0400 Message text written by INTERNET:Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk >I forgot to ask previously, was the person waving the green Star Wars Lightsabre all through the Kraftwerk concert a list member? < Further to this, who was the person aiming a laser light at Florian's Forehead??? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: RE: (kw) Re: Radio 1 broadcast "The Best of Tribal Gathering" Date: 03 Jun 1997 12:47:22 +0100 Is there an e:mail address for comments etc on the BBC site, if there is = it may be a good idea to air our views on the lack of Kraftwerk material = being played, especially as KW were one of THE head-liners at the event! Regards, Craig. ---------- Sent: 03 June 1997 12:06 At 12:15 02/06/97 -0600, David Barnard wrote: >Apparently Radio 1 broadcast an hour of 'highlights' from Tribal >Gathering yesterday (Sunday June 1st) at 2000 BST for one hour. >I am informed that there was not a single Kraftwerk track featured. Can >anyone confirm this? If true then this is disgraceful treatment again >from Radio 1 (on a headline act too!). >Perhaps we should all write to 'Points Of View'..... Every Sunday night 8:00-9:00pm, Radio 1 broadcasts a pre-recorded "live" concert. I was hoping this show would air a bit more of Kraftwerk, as it = was billed as "The Best of Tribal Gathering". I recorded the show just incase, but Kraftwerk were indeed not included. = The first half-hour included one song each by various artists, and the = second half-hour was taken up with a very cut-down Orbital set. As for writing to Points of View*, I'm certainly going to complain to = the BBC. I suggest any other UK residents should do the same - I say UK residents as we have to pay an annual licence fee which funds the BBC, = which is in turn obliged to serve the licence payers. * for anyone who doesn't know, this is a BBC programme on which viewers = can air their delight/disgust about BBC programmes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) Radio 1 - RUBBISH!! Date: 03 Jun 1997 13:38:35 For some reason I don't seem to be getting all the postings, AGAIN! So if someone has already posted this then I apologise. Radio 1's e-mail address is radio1@bbc.co.uk LETS HAMMER WITH COMPLAINTS!! Lastly, on checking the archives (thank you for the URL ROBOT!) I see that Johan Laterz rumbled the "Fir Orchard" scam. Well done Johan, for your impressive investigative skills you win a copy of the new KRAFTWERK album. I think it's called Technopop or something. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Pelan Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Radio 1 broadcast "The Best of Tribal Gathering" Date: 03 Jun 1997 15:27:24 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Simon Godfrey wrote: > As for writing to Points of View*, I'm certainly going to complain to the > BBC. I suggest any other UK residents should do the same - I say UK > residents as we have to pay an annual licence fee which funds the BBC, which > is in turn obliged to serve the licence payers. Err, "Points of View" is for comments on BBC *TELEVISION* programmes. That's why it has 'View' in the title. If you wish to make comments about BBC *Radio*, then Radio 4's "Feedback" is the one you want to talk to. http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/ Anyway, as was pointed out, there may have been contractual problems regarding their retransmission of the performance... John P. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) title of the new song Date: 03 Jun 1997 10:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk wrote: >Lastly a secret source I have (sorry but I cannot divulge any information) has >confirmed that the title of the new track is FIR ORCHARD. Could this be an anagram ? FIR ORCHARD ---> FOR RICHARD (who is Richard ?) Carsten Bolte. Kiel. http://members.aol.com/depechecbi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Zillo 6/1997 Date: 03 Jun 1997 14:43:21 GMT Klaus Zaepke,fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de,Internet writes: Kraftwerk is featured with five pages in the June issue of the German magazine Zillo. The article is basically an extended version of the beforementioned Rhein-Zeitung article, with some additional quotes from Ralf Huetter (taken from an old interview) and Wolfgang Fluer. Hallo Klaus! **Das klingt sehr interessant! Kannst Du mir einen Hinweis geben, wo ich dieses Heft hier bekomme? Ich bin derzeit gerade am Nachbestellen samtlicher Artikel von denen ich erfahre. Fluer states that he has already heard the new Kraftwerk album. He says also that Kraftwerk is no longer the main occupation of Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider. Huetter spends most of his time cycling, while Schneider spends a lot of time with his family. **Noch interessanter. Das wurde heissen, dass aus Kratwerk tatsachlich ein Unternehmen geworden ist mit wechselnden Mitspielern. Das ware ja ganz nach deren Konzept. By the way. Mir wurde geagt, dass ich mich an Dich wenden soll bezuglich des Kraftwerk-Fanzines und Adress von Kraftwerk-Fanclub(s). Gibt*s tatsachlich einen solchen? Liebe Grusse aus Wien Josef # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) IRC Date: 03 Jun 1997 14:56:55 GMT Michael Melzer,h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at,Internet writes: Can someone please again post the information about the Kraftwerk IRC room? Danke Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at Hallo Michael! Einen Wiener(?) auf der Kraftwerk -Liste zu entdecken hatte ich ja nicht fur moglich gehalten. Sag, was ist der Kraftwerk IRC room? Warst Du beim TG? Gruss Josef # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) TG Attendance Date: 03 Jun 1997 16:50:15 +0100 Hi there everyone, One thing I forgot to mention in my previous mail concerning the KW gig = at TG, was the fact that not one Kraftwerk fan spoke to me during the = course of the show! Whilst I was in the Detroit tent there were a few guys who had purchased = the Kraftwerk shirts available at the TG shop, whether these were die = hard fans or not I don't know, but they were all quite young, probably = only just old enough to remember Electric Cafe! Not one of them seemed = interested in conversing with a fellow fan. There was also a chap who = stood all by himself, looking quite miserable I might add in the Detroit = tent towards the back, he was wearing a Mix '91 t-shirt. Was this you? = Why did you not acknowledge my smile and nod from a distance? I managed to catch a glimpse of a few other Kraftwerk fans, the chap in = the red shirt and black tie! You also had a back-pack on, obviously = with a change of clothes in?! Myself, as promised was in my own home made Kraftwerk t-shirt, a little = white number with a small traffic cone on the breast with Kraftwerk = printed underneath, on the reverse side was the Kraftwerk e:mail address = in LED style font. This actually got quite a bit of attention from = other people who wondered where we got them from, so this has reinforced = my idea of producing exclusive shirts. There was one other shirt we tried to get hold of, that was the Aux 88 = design, with 'King of the Techno Base' printed on. Boy I wish we had = that, the guy wearing it though was a crew member so no chance there. Anyway, I hope that if we ever have chance to meet at any future = possible KW gigs that the die hard fans will be a bit more friendly, and = not be put to shame by the younger members of the audience as at TG who = were very interested in talking to a fan! Regards, Craig. PS. I think the main attraction of the KW on sale at the event was = because the Radio Activitat design was in a bright luminous yellow = colour, very reminiscent of the bright luminous colours from the early = illegal outdoor raves and Acid parties.................know what I = mean?! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Radio 1 broadcast "The Best of Tribal Gathering" Date: 03 Jun 1997 11:54:39 -0400 Message text written by INTERNET:J.Pelan@am.qub.ac.uk >Anyway, as was pointed out, there may have been contractual problems regarding their retransmission of the performance... < I suppose they had a contract to broadcast at half speed as well then. hehe. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus Fjellström Subject: (kw) Bye, people Date: 03 Jun 1997 12:39:15 +0100 Hello! Well, I'm going away for three months now. Just letting you all know. It's been real fun, it's been a great party... Perhaps we'll meet later on. Bye! Love! Kisses to you all! Love, Marcus Fjellstr=F6m, Sweden # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New La Duesseldorf bootleg Date: 03 Jun 1997 19:01:21 +0200 (DFT) The La Duesseldorf album "Viva" was "reissued" as bootleg CD, mastered from vinyl. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Focus review Date: 03 Jun 1997 19:07:21 +0200 (DFT) The current issue of the German magazine "Focus" contains a review of Kraftwerk's Tribal Gathering concert, including a very good A3-sized photo of Kraftwerk performing "Musique non stop" in their "neon" outfit. There is also a brief review of the concert in the current issue of The Observer. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New Bootlegs? Date: 03 Jun 1997 19:09:26 +0200 (DFT) I've spotted the following two Kraftwerk items on a saleslist: Kraftwerk: The Very Best (CD, K & J, 13 studio tracks) Computer Sound Vol. 2 (CD, Malaysia, PVS-17005) (Track information: G. Moroder, Kraftwerk - Radioactivity, P. Parker, Telex, F. Duval, Space, Depeche Mode, Laibach, Ultravox, Boytronic, Trans-X, J. Foxx, Yello) Is any more information about these releases known (exact tracklisting, legitimacy etc.)? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) 1-2-1 2-4-6 Date: 03 Jun 1997 19:33:15 +0200 At 10:21 AM 6/3/97, you wrote: > > >Is there in existance a studio-quality copy available of the version of Numbers >first heard in '91 and last heard at TG? (None of the live cd's I have of the >'91 tour come near to Virtu ex Machina with regard to sound quality) > Is Virtu Ex Machina a live CD? Could you give me some info on that one?? Cheers, Johan. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Radio 1 - RUBBISH!! Date: 03 Jun 1997 19:33:16 +0200 >Laterz rumbled the "Fir Orchard" scam. Well done Johan, for your impressive >investigative skills you win a copy of the new KRAFTWERK album. > >I think it's called Technopop or something. Hmmm.. i'm not sure if should be annoyed, insulted or if i should send you a live atomic bomb by mail. Johan. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: Re: (kw) Tapes, recordings, Mini Discs... Date: 03 Jun 1997 19:30:05 +0200 Me too! ---------- Message text written by Ralf Grasso >Same here!! < Oh dear, this is starting to look like alt.binaries.warez !!! I thought the purpose of this list was discussion, not 'me too' threads. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Der Spiegel review Date: 03 Jun 1997 19:48:21 +0200 (DFT) The current issue of Der Spiegel reviews Kraftwerk's Tribal Gathering performance. The review is available via the WWW at http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/aktuell/kraftwerk.html. The printed version of the article contains an additional colour photo of Kraftwerk performing "Autobahn". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Brighton Vs. Tribal: A Score Draw" Date: 03 Jun 1997 20:17:53 +0200 (DFT) Excerpt from http://www.techno.de/mixmag/update/news_487.html: Brighton Vs. Tribal: A Score Draw [...] Universe's Ian Jenkinson claimed Tribal Gathering was the best yet, saying, "It was a great success. Kraftwerk shut a few critics up and showed that they're still 20 years ahead of everyone else. All the artists and DJs went to see them. Grown men cried in that tent, I can tell you." Next year's Tribal is already in its first planning stages. [...] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Future808@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Gathering; an impression Date: 03 Jun 1997 15:01:06 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-06-03 02:30:08 EDT, PBarnes@zoo.co.uk (Paul Barnes) writes: << Having missed the Mix tour through another engagaement, I made sure of seeing Kraftwerk this time around. To be honest I really didn=92t look forward to the gig, with the thought that they might cancel or they might be past there best. My friend and I, another Kraftwerk diehard >> I just wanted to say that I have REALLY enjoyed reading the differenet account of TG, and thanks to all who took the time to write out a decent sized post to tell us about it. Stuck in farmland, USA, TG might as well = have been a million miles away for me. Whenever the bootleg thing gets figured out, included me.=20 The Showroom Dummie (Future808@aol.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) TG report.. Date: 03 Jun 1997 17:14:58 -0400 Joe, Just read your message in the Kraftwerk Digest, very good! I'm interested in the computer that you mention centre stage. What machine was it? I need to know! My whole life will be validated if they use Macs... Bruce ---- Bruce M. Lloyd, bml@bgi.on.ca Macintosh Technical Support Services and Systems Engineer BGI Systems Integration Markham, Ontario, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lawrence" Subject: Re: (kw) May the Force........... Date: 03 Jun 1997 22:22:50 +0100 > I forgot to ask previously, was the person waving the green Star Wars Lightsabre > all through the Kraftwerk concert a list member? > Aha! At last, something I know about that other list members don't. My friend (also a KW devotee) was at his sister's birthday party in London last week where he met the guy with the sabre. Apparently, he owns a small record label and considers KW "The Godfathers of techno". From where I was standing it was orange, not green. Hey, we could string this argument out longer than "did they invent the drum machine" or "where do they get their money". Am I the only person who doesn't take this all seriously? --- neil.lawrence@virgin.net "Why cant life have an "undo" button?" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) English lang. vs. German lang. versions Date: 03 Jun 1997 16:54:50 -0400 Kraftwerkians, Here's a post that admittedly deviates from the TG posts we've been seeing lately, yet enables me to editorialize a bit on a topic that interests me with regard to KW's varying recordings. Many of you own copies of KW's albums in the original German langauge on either CD or vinyl. I'm speaking of albums like 'Computerwelt', 'Trans Europa Express', 'Die Mensch-Maschine', etc. As a collector of both the German and English language versions, I have found in my listening experience that I prefer the German language versions as the more rewarding listening experiences. My reasons for selecting the German versions are not strictly audio in nature. For instance, one thing that's always irked me about the American issues of the KW compact discs was the fact that the packaging was always corrupted and truncated from the original vinyl. As such, there have been many pictures and images from the KW albums that were not reproduced in the American CDs. I cite the American 'Computer World' CD as a prime example of this, considering the fact that two of the sleeve photos are omitted from its packaging. On the audio side of things, I again must reiterate that the German language versions win hands down in my opinion. The German versions contain slightly different vocal effects (i.e. "Computerwelt") and sound effects (i.e. "Schaufensterpuppen") that in my mind enhance the overall listening experience. Not to mention the fact that there is something aesthetically correct and pleasing about hearing the lyrics delivered in the band's native tongue. This equation of packaging plus audio makes up the complete listening experience for me, so I'm inclined to nominate the German versions as superior. Any alternate points of view are welcome! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Interpol und Deutsche Bank..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) Fir Orchard Date: 03 Jun 1997 08:27:30 +0000 > Perhaps is FIR ORCHARD the new title of a track - but are the letters in the > wrong order. Any suggestion for titles to make with FIR ORCHARD? I think FOR > RICHARD is a nice one. as in Richard James AKA The Aphex Twin? yeah, right... Jon Alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oli Subject: (kw) Introducing myself to the members of the Kaftwerk Mailing-List. Date: 04 Jun 1997 01:07:30 +0200 Hi out there, my name is Oliver Hebel, I'm 28 years old and I've just joined the Kraftwerk Mailing-List. I live in Darmstadt/Germany, where I am studying electrotecnical engeneering at the FH-Darmstadt. I am collecting Kraftwerk items for about ten years now, but I was infected by their music much earlier. I think it was about 1978 or '79 when I first heard their masterpieces 'Das Model' & 'Roboter'. Unfortunately I was not able to visit their latest gig at the Tribal Gathering. The last shows I saw were Frankfurt & Düsseldorf (where their computers broke down) in 1991 & Osnabrück in May 1993. I'm looking forward to receive amounts of E-Mails related to Kraftwerk. Ciao, Oli PS: Especialy to Stefan Louwers: The KlingKlang-Studio is located at Mintropstraße in Düsseldorf, this is near the railway-station. PPS: Please E-Mail me, when someone got an audio or video-tape of the Tribal Gathering-gig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) NEW EMAIL ADRESS !!! Date: 04 Jun 1997 08:06:28 PDT Es wird immer weitergehn -=20 Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen. Kraftwerk -"MUSIK NON STOP" Hi to all listmembers please note that by 4.th of June my email adress will be as follows : d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de (formerly fellh@fh-worms.de ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) Complaint Date: 04 Jun 1997 09:41:10 +0100 Dear Sirs, I would like to express my concerns over the issue of the Kraftwerk = performance Radio 1 transmitted from Tribal Gathering. I was actually = at the event and was very impressed with the show, but had I listened to = you transmission I would have been thoroughly disappointed. The first couple of tracks were very slow and the playlist was heavily = edited. The fact that you edited the section where Kraftwerk played = their new song, the first for ten years and which everyone was waiting = for amazes me. Kraftwerk were billed as one of, if not the top act, as = they are the pioneers of the Techno groove and have not played in the UK = for six years, I feel this would have been strong evidence in order to = justify the BBC transmitting the whole show. I hope that all those who were looking forward to your transmission from = afar a field as the USA will also express their feelings on what was a = long awaited event, only to be spoiled by the so called 'expertise' of = the editors at Radio 1. =20 Yours faithfully, Craig Land 'A UK tax and license paying resident'! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Radio 1 - RUBBISH!! Date: 04 Jun 1997 08:59:57 Only joking, just trying to add a bit of brightness to all of our lives!! Please do not take offence. _______________________________________________________________________________ >Laterz rumbled the "Fir Orchard" scam. Well done Johan, for your impressive >investigative skills you win a copy of the new KRAFTWERK album. > >I think it's called Technopop or something. Hmmm.. i'm not sure if should be annoyed, insulted or if i should send you a live atomic bomb by mail. Johan. -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) FOCUS story Date: 04 Jun 1997 07:53:36 +0500 Just found a copy of FOCUS, and that KW story has a great opening spread showing the stage setup and KW in those Riddler-type outfits! The story (which I'm still translating) is positive but nothing really spectacular, but it would probably be worth finding a copy for the pictures alone. By the way, Florian's picture (yes, he's bald now) has the caption switched with Ott Pagenberg... The story may be online at http://www/focus/de but I haven't checked yet. Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DM Shand" Subject: (kw) Re: http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~saxmania//kraft.html Date: 04 Jun 1997 14:34:02 GMT +0200 Ralphie, here is the address + the article or the review for Florians Lounge, I hope it is correct if not it should not be far from here........ This is an article i mailed back to myself...the address is triad........saxmania.laalalalala I copy of the Tribal Gathering would really go down well Here In South Africa is anyone interested in Supporting me and my Pseudo Third world country.......Think of something reasonable for exchange, perhaps some second hand apartheid....joking....seriously we have very good biltong...dried meat......I sent some to my german friend...I am surprized it got through customs after the congo fever scare....this was real Ostrich biltong....there is nothing like the real thing.....Tribal Gathering sounds like a jol thats is what we call it here.....minus the technology. These techno emulasion parties in South Africa are so pathetic.....ugugugug...boom..boom give me something real!!!!!! > From: shand > Date: Fri, 30 May 97 17:24:29 -700 > To: shandd@mtb.und.ac.za > Subject: http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~saxmania//kraft.html > > + > > [Image] > > Kraftwerk Interview > > > > (first published in Triad Magazine June 1975) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > While the casual listener may be quick to draw comparisons to Pink > > Floyd and "space music" in general, in reality there is far more to > > Kraftwerk than that. Space is only a part of the total Kraftwerk > > concept, for it also includes Time and Mechanics, and not only time > > and space, but visual and other sensory phenomenon. They are working > > with artists in other fields in conjunction with their music and are > > anxious to begin producing video discs of their art. Lyrics are > > becoming a more regular part of their music. > > > > Autobahn has a fully descriptive character taking the listener for a > > quick cruise down Germany's famed superhighway. It becomes and > > indistinguishable blend of vision and reality, as it begins with a > > slam of a car door and proceeds to imitate the sounds of the cars > > whizzing down the road. The mysterious whispering tones of > > "Kometenmelodie" soar lightly into the ether and leave the listener > > with a grandious spatial experience. > > > > They perceive commonplace occurrences and transform them into dramatic > > situations. Just as writers and poets play with words and phrases, > > painters play with colors and perspectives, and sculptors play with > > shapes and forms, so Kraftwerk plays with sounds. The qualities > > attributed to the arts are equally applicable to their music. It is > > shaped, phrased, colored, molded, mixed and modified into a unified > > experience. The music is sketched on broadly fundamental lines leaving > > leaving the setting and filling in, to a great extent, to the > > listener. In such such a vague and ethereal art Kraftwerk excels in > > transforming the commonplace sounds of daily life to a stirring and > > spiritual experience. > > > > Interview with Ralf Hutter > > and Florian Schneider > > by Saul Smaizys > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Triad > > -is the term "space rock" applicable to your music? > > Ralf > > -We are part of the Industrial generation. We grew up. . . > > Florian > > -. . . very impressed by these machinery rhythms that we used in > > our music, the mechanical aspects of life. Technology is no enemy > > to us. We use technology as it is. We also like nature but you > > cannot say the Technology is any better or worse than nature. You > > have to accept all of these things as they are in the world > > today. > > Ralf > > -We have aspects in our music that refer to space, like > > Kometenmelodie, but we also have some very earthly aspects that > > are very direct and not from outer space but from inner space > > like from the human being and the body, and very close to every > > day life. > > Florian > > -We see films and we go out and get optical impressions and so > > this often has an influence on our music and it becomes an > > acoustic film or acoustic poetry. That's the way that we try to > > express what we have seen and what we have heard. Several years > > ago we were on tour and it happened that we just came off the > > Autobahn after a long ride and when we came in to play we had > > this speed in our music. Our hearts were still beating fast so > > the whole rhythm became very fast. > > Triad > > -The spinning of a roulette wheel is the basis for another one of > > your tunes. > > Ralf > > -Yes, movement. The idea is to capture non-static phenomenon > > because music itself is a non-static phenomenon. It deals with > > time and movement in time. It can never be the same. > > Triad > > -Does dance have a part in your music? > > Ralf > > -Yes, in Germany some modern ballet companies have used our music > > to create their own versions of ballet for this music. > > Florian > > -The choreography was like a computer dance,. like robot dance. > > Very mechanical in its movement on stage. > > Ralf > > -We also kind of dance when we perform. It's not that we actually > > move our bodies but it's this awareness of your whole body. You > > feel like a dancer. > > Florian > > -Your brain is dancing. The electronics are dancing around in the > > speakers. > > Ralf > > -We've had this idea for a long time but it has only been in the > > past year that we've been able to create what we feel is a > > loudspeaker orchestra. This is what we consider Kraftwerk to be, > > a non-acoustic electronic loudspeaker orchestra. > > Ralf > > -The whole thing is one instrument. We play mixers, we play > > tapes, we play phasers, we play the whole apparatus of Kraftwerk. > > That's the instrument. Including the lights and the atmosphere. > > Florian > > -Sometimes I can taste the sounds. There are a lot more feelings > > than just the feeling going through the ears. The whole body can > > feel the sounds. > > Ralf > > -Imagine the trees. What do the trees sounds like? You don't even > > have to make the sound audible. You can just write out the > > suggestions and the reader can imagine the sound or reproduce the > > sounds spiritually in his brain. > > Triad > > -Do you listen to other kinds of music other than electronic? > > Ralf > > -Oh yes. Sometimes we listen to the radio and we also listen to > > life, to noise, or to what people normally regard as noise, which > > is of course the source for environmental music. If you walk down > > the street you can hear a symphony if you are open enough to > > listen to it. > > Florian > > -That's what you learn from working with electronics. You go to > > the source of the sounds and your ears are trained to analyze any > > sound. We hear a plane passing overhead and I know all of the > > phenomenon that go into the make-up of the sound, the phasings, > > the echos. All these things that happen in nature. . . > > Ralf > > -. . . and the more you learn the more you enjoy it. You can > > always discover new sounds that you've never heard before. It's > > amazing sometimes when you listen to the context of the sounds. > > It could be the animals in the park, with the cars and the people > > mixing together. > > Florian > > -The association field is very large in music, meaning that > > somebody can make some special sound put them on tape and > > broadcast them to 50 people or 100 or 1,000 and each one of those > > people has a different impression of the sounds they have heard. > > It's not like the cinema where nearly everybody sees the same > > thing. I think the optical is much more fixed but when you have > > music you have so many different sorts of musics in the brains of > > the people. > > Ralf > > -Yes, musics. Many musics. > > Florian > > -When you are on stage you can focus the music to all these > > different brains, but you know there are a lot of different > > receptions. Some people fall asleep, some people are excited, > > others don't like it and go out, others come back, some stay in > > their seats. So there are a lot of different reactions to the > > same thing. > > Ralf > > -We improvise in the way it is used in Oriental and raga music. > > It's not harmonically structured. > > Florian > > -We prefer to make sounds. Sound symphonies. We use a lot of > > natural harmonies. . . like from the overtone scale. We try to do > > things simply, the simpler the better. We tried to do a lot of > > complicated bullshit in the past where everybody tried to play as > > many notes as they can in a second or a minute, but after awhile > > we came down to the essential thing. > > Ralf > > -You have to face yourself to come to the point where you really > > think about what it is that you want to do. Not to hide behind > > too many notes or to hide behind . . . > > Florian > > -. . . the speaker cabinets. > > Ralf > > -. . . to open up to the simplest things. > > Florian > > -We don't like these sort of bombastic sounds, we prefer more > > refined sounds. > > Ralf > > -It took years of development, step by step, for us to get to > > what we are doing now. And it will take more steps to do > > something else. > > Florian > > -We started out with acoustic instruments. We had a lot of > > friends who have played with us in the past, and so life goes on > > and some of them leave and others join. We finally came to a > > point where we decided that we didn't want these loud drum kits > > on stage with us. Then for a year we played with just the two of > > us. We used a rhythm machine but this was not entirely > > satisfactory. It would be good for one piece but too boring to > > use for a whole evening, and so we decided to build electronic > > drums because we wanted to have rhythms in our music. We designed > > and built them and are now playing with two electronic > > percussionists in the group. > > Ralf > > -It gives a lot of possibilities to change the sound because > > electronic music is created out of white noise, so you can take > > whatever frequencies you like, or you want, for your particular > > concept of music - and with these electronic instruments you can > > pick out the frequencies that suit you. Like a painter, you can > > choose whatever colors of the spectrum you like for that > > projection of your painting. > > Florian > > -We are working with a painter now who can realize some of our > > optic visions. > > Ralf > > -We don't think of ourselves as musicians, but rather as people > > who create out of the different media or ways of expressing > > yourself, whether it is painting, poetry, music, or even film. > > The ideal is to communicate to people. > > Florian > > -We don't really know where this whole thing will drift, perhaps > > more to optics or to words. > > Ralf > > -We are waiting for the video disc, which will soon be available > > in Germany. This will probably be the next step we want to go on > > to because we have so many visual ideas along with the music and > > they both influence one another. > > > > [Image] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > [Image] Triad main page > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: (kw) Re: bbc radio broadcast Date: 04 Jun 1997 11:18:31 EDT besides kw, what else did the bbc broadcast from tribal gathering? anyone know? thanks, tom w ===== np: bark psychosis - hex # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Glen Subject: Re: (kw) May the Force........... Date: 04 Jun 1997 10:09:41 +0100 In message , Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk writes >I forgot to ask previously, was the person waving the green Star Wars >Lightsabre >all through the Kraftwerk concert a list member? I've got to say, for the record, that this drove me mad! As did whoever was shining the little red lazer dots all over the set! If it was a list member, man, you're in the chart alongside the guy behind me who repeatedly (and we're talking every ten seconds at some stages) bellowed, "The Model!!! Play the f****** Model, you b*******! :) > > ># Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? ># Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ># Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. > -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Help with E-CDs (Wintel) Date: 04 Jun 1997 00:09:03 EDT I'm having a problem with an E-CD. It seems that the computer info is at the end of the disc; a line of blank space is present so that it separates the audio from the computer data, and the audio CD player is fooled into not scanning the computer data. However, when placing the E-CD into the CD-ROM drive, it thinks that there is no disc in the drive. What should I do short of placing paper on the audio portion? This CD does not utilize the "track 0" technology. I have other E-CDs that work just fine that use that form. Another question: How does one access hidden tracks on CDs that the player might otherwise skip? Thanks a lot, y'all! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) May the Force........... Date: 04 Jun 1997 16:06:19 Let's don't fall out over this. We'll both compromise and from now on refer to it all times as "The Orangey Green Lightsabre". It's a very serious matter you know! _______________________________________________________________________________ > I forgot to ask previously, was the person waving the green Star Wars Lightsabre > all through the Kraftwerk concert a list member? > Aha! At last, something I know about that other list members don't. My friend (also a KW devotee) was at his sister's birthday party in London last week where he met the guy with the sabre. Apparently, he owns a small record label and considers KW "The Godfathers of techno". From where I was standing it was orange, not green. Hey, we could string this argument out longer than "did they invent the drum machine" or "where do they get their money". Am I the only person who doesn't take this all seriously? --- neil.lawrence@virgin.net "Why cant life have an "undo" button?" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) P.S.: Zillo article Date: 04 Jun 1997 18:38:03 +0200 (DFT) http://www.netcity.de/zillo/aktuell/mainfr11.htm contains a short excerpt from the Kraftwerk article in Zillo 6/1997. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk equipment Date: 04 Jun 1997 19:01:25 +0200 (DFT) Excerpt from http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm: Latest News KRAFTWERK is playing live at the TRIBAL GATHERING 97 on 24th May 97 in Luton/England. Of course there is a lot of DOEPFER equipment on stage: MAQ16/3, SCHALTWERK, A-100, MMR4/4, MOGLI, Mini-Keyboards (special design) and so on. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Florian's Dad Date: 04 Jun 1997 11:23:52 +0000 Christopher Gross was saying: >About the robot voices mentioned in recent postings: I always thought they >might have been using an Amiga, since the voice quality is pretty much the >same as an Amiga's voice synthesizer-- which can also do four-part harmony. >Mine can do a pretty good imitation of the "HEUTE ABEND--" voice :-]... >Unfortunately there hasn't been much software written for it. Hey, there's >a thought... I use an Amiga, and I can tell you that the Kraftwerk speech synthesizer is not the same as that used in the Amiga. All speech synthesizers sound very similar - including that found bundled with the Soundblaster cards found on PC's, Stephen Hawkings famous one, and also Kraftwerk's one. If you know the Amiga speech synthesizer VERY well, you can spot the differences. However, it is good enough to be used to do realistic Kraftwerk covers! ;) -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary. -- Richard Harkness # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 21:00:00 UT From: "Laurent Reymond" Subject: (kw) PICTURES of the CONCERT hello, kraftwerkians, I have wonderfull pictures of the concert (I was just in front of Florian) You can view these pictures at my site: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/9199/index.htm Send remarks and comments on the mailing list. Please use my personnal email Reymond_Laurent@msn.com only if you want to get original pictures, etc. Laurent. Reymond_Laurent@msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 19:51:55 +0100 From: Gary Cameron Subject: [none] >Joe, > >Just read your message in the Kraftwerk Digest, very good! I'm >interested in the computer that you mention centre stage. What machine >was it? I need to know! > >My whole life will be validated if they use Macs... > >Bruce Bruce: Ralph uses an NED Synclavier system: Later versions (ie, the version that KW use) have a Mac for user interface type stuff. So, your life is now validated! Cheers, Gary. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 20:25:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ausbells@aol.com Subject: (kw) Tour De France single Hello Kraftwerkers, I am a 17 year old breakdancer from Chicago, IL, U.S.A. and my uncle was a breaker from the '80s. I was looking through his record collection and I found a Tour De France 45 single with the French Version on one side and the Remix on the other. I am not interested in selling it but I was wondering if anyone could tell me what it's worth. Thank you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:54:06 +0200 From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: (kw) KW /TG Hello, sorry if the similar post will appear twice here, but i tried to send it yesterday and the email has never appeared in the list. So i retry to post it again: Well it was to say that i made a web page about KW at TG97 with some photos i did and the scan of NME picture: http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/tg97.html Tim. - -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole __ _______________|_______________________________________|____ ________ / timour.jgenti@ifp.fr | | __| / / http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ | | | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:59:34 +0200 From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: (kw) KW at TG review and JPGs Hi, I've put online a review of Kraftwerk concert at TG97 with some photos i've made and included the picture from NME: http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/tg97.html Have Fun, Tim. - -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole __ _______________|_______________________________________|____ ________ / timour.jgenti@ifp.fr | | __| / / http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ | | | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 04:47:26 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) PICTURES of the CONCERT Message text written by "Laurent Reymond" >You can view these pictures at my site: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/9199/index.htm Send remarks and comments on the mailing list.< Nice Pics, Laurent. I must have been standing right behind you!! = BTW, the pics titled new song@tribal gathering, are in fact from Boing Bo= om Tschak. Very good quality considering the cramped conditions though. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 12:29:09 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) misc. Hi all, I am very happy to join this Mailing-list. I am a fan of KW since the Mixs album. I bought all of their albums except the three first because i don't know if they are good or not. now, i have a question. I saw on a web site that KW made a song called "tour de France" I've never heard or even saw a CD with this song. Could someone give more infos about it? Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France http://home.worldnet.fr/~bonald # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:14:35 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Another trademark affair? The discotheque in Neumuenster formerly known as "Kraftwerk" has changed it's name to "E-Werk" recently. Now we can speculate why they did this... ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Skylink3@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Fir Orchard In a message dated 97-06-05 08:07:43 EDT, you write: << Perhaps is FIR ORCHARD the new title of a track - but are the letters in the > wrong order. Any suggestion for titles to make with FIR ORCHARD? I think FOR > RICHARD is a nice one. as in Richard James AKA The Aphex Twin? yeah, right... >> maybe it is for ex U.S. president Richard Nixon. (by the way that was a joke) seriously though, is this the song that is gonna be on the end of violence comp? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 05:35:28 PDT From: "klaus olsen" Subject: (kw) Introduction Hi everybody, I've been following the digest for a couple of weeks now and I think it's about time I introduced myself. My name is Klaus, I´m 27 years old and from Copenhagen, Denmark. I work as a librarian. My first introduction to the music of KW was the release of the Computer World album. An older friend taped it for me and I got interested in these strange sounds and melodies. Since then I've followed their limited output and in 91 I saw them live for the first and only time when they toured following the release of the Mix album. Which brings us right up to date. I didn't go to Tribal Gathering but from what I can understand the show was almost identical to the one I saw in 91. Which is a bit of a disappointment. I don't know why but I hardly ever listen to the Mix album any more. I think the added dance beats sounds dated and that some of the tracks are a bit too long. I much prefer the original versions who seem to posses a unique and timeless quality. Not that I don't like house and techno music. Paperclip People, Motorbass, Daft Punk and Aphex Twin are some of my favorite artists. I look forward to the new KW material. I hope their forthcoming album is mindblowing and out there! KW should sound unique and avant garde instead of trying to live up to the sound of the times. Finally a question. In a recent David Bowie interview he talks about KW doing soundtrack work for tv documentaries on german television. Does anyone out there have any info on that? Bye for now Klaus ko_dk@hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:18:11 +0100 (BST) From: Robert West Subject: (kw) how do they make their money? RALF: as a celebrity door-to-door shoe-salesman, i make a fair living visiting homes in my red shirt/lipstick outfit to sell the finest high technology footwear. FLORIAN: i sell orphans to hungry dogs for money and free liqour. RALF: and smuggle guns in from nicaragua for those eskimos you know. FLORIAN: shhhhh! RALF: and you kick that dancing bear in the circus. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 97 13:29:29 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) TG Pics on line There are two fairly small pics of Kraftwerk now on the Select magazine web- site, www.erack.com/select/selecthome.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 15:48:28 +0100 From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Fir Orchard On 05-Jun-97 A.D., Skylink3@aol.com carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Fir Orchard": >In a message dated 97-06-05 08:07:43 EDT, you write: ><< Perhaps is FIR ORCHARD the new title of a track - but are the letters >in >the > > wrong order. Any suggestion for titles to make with FIR ORCHARD? I [...] >maybe it is for ex U.S. president Richard Nixon. (by the way that was a >joke) Why does everybody think that this is an anagram? KW have had more weird titles than that. What grows in a "pine garden"? Pineapples of course! See..? :) >seriously though, is this the song that is gonna be on the end of >violence comp? I'd like to know that too. Speaking of which, isn't there anybody out there who has made a .wav or .mpeg3 version of this new song yet? "I'm not a crook!" - -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:32:50 +0000 From: "Miles Escherich" <208.219.138.31@mail.xmission.com> Subject: (kw) Radio 1 broadcast of TG performance I received my first issue of the digest a few days ago, (BTW, greetings to everyone from Minneapolis) and last night I downloaded the RealAudio file of the BBC's broadcast of the TG performance from the Kraftwerk Infobahr website. The recording was marred by some tape flutter, but the excitement came through loud and clear (let me know if there is a better quality recording available). This was my first exposure to KW live and it truly made my evening. While I listened, I was there with the crowd, bobbing my head away to the same familiar tunes, and I'm sure I would have yelled and screamed and just generally act like a fool like everyone else. There was some heavily synthesized speech just before "Radioactivity" that I wasn't able to follow-- anyone able to figure out what was said? I was disappointed to find that Radio 1 did not broadcast the entire performance and that there was some stuff-- including a whole new tune-- that I missed, but I was not entirely surprised. For all their influence in modern music, there is something in KW that seems to elude the casual listener, even as music in general follows KW's path and becomes more minimal and electronic; I even know some industrial fans who don't care for KW. I can well imagine that some of the canon might lack appeal as BBC programmers imagine it. No matter. I got an LP's worth of music for the trouble of downloading for an hour, and I think it was well worth it. The whole experience of listening on my home computer to music downloaded from Europe on the Internet, chatting online, reading email messages and browsing KW sites on the Web, gave me a vivid sense that I was living in a Kraftwerk song. KW's music gives you a sense of what a strange and interesting world we live in. If anyone would like to dub me a cassette or two of their little KW gems, including pre-Autobahn releases, live performances or the like, drop me a line privately and let's talk about it. I have the major releases, but apart from that my collection is not very extensive. "If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the looting started." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:50:51 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! -(Links)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+= ^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ *GREET.INGS*! Welcome aboard the KlingKlang Express! Just in case you don't already = know, here's a few KRAFTWERK Links to get you started- Fun, Fun, Fun auf = der INFOBAHN! :] ROBOSMILEY +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+= ^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =20 KRAFTWERK's Official WebSite! Check it out! = Nice animated gif/SoundByte. Click on the Antenna and a ROBOT appears. = Click on the ROBOT gif and he DANCES! Kute! Excellent Sounds, too! Click = again, and it takes you to the Tribal Gathering page- which is old news = now, ofcourse. =20 The KRAFTWERK Mail List- 'Good source for KW = Info, and it's FREE! To subscribe, send Email to: = Leave subject blank. In body type: subscribe = kraftwerk <"whoever@wherever.com"> -(no quotes)-. You'll get a = "confirmation" message shortly. Then, respond with the number they give = you, and you'll receive the Welcome Message and Guidelines. NOTE: I = include this Link because sometimes I meet Fellow KW Fans on the = alt.music.synthpop or 'techno News Groups, or YPN or The DOMINION, etc, = - -(re: my signature at the end)-, who don't know about the Mail List. = BTW: There IS a news group called , but, = nobody's using it.... yet! =20 KRAFTWERK Mail List = Archives. Catch up on all the recent and not-so-recent SubSpace Chatter = on the Finest MeKaniKal MusiK-Meisters in the Universe! =20 There's also the #Kraftwerk Channel Chat Room on mIRC, using Undernet. = To download the neccessary software, visit the gurus at: = They can explain the technical stuff. We need = more bodies! It's no fun to sit in an empty room, wasting net-hours, so, = let's CHAT already! =20 OR = Thomas Weckert's Picture Gallery- LOTS of Beautiful KW Fotos! In fact, = he just added some more.... =20 I don't think = these images are from TG, but, there's a nice shot of each band member = on stage, -(Ralf Hutter, Henning Smits, Fritz Hilpert, Florian = Schneider)- and a nice scan of their autographs on Thomas' copy of the = E.Cafe Album cover. -(R&F and Karl Bartos & Wolfgang Flur- The REAL Fab = Four! Not that there's anything "wrong" with Fritz & Henning, ofcourse, = but, we all miss K&W.*sniff*.)- Lucky Thomas! I hope to God I get to see = 'em someday. I've been waiting 2 decades!! <<<>>> Reymond Laurent = took some EXcellent PIX!! from left-screen menu, = select "Headliners". Scroll to KW "button" at the end. 2 small stage = fotos. Also check Orbital for some interseting SoundBytes! =20 The KRAFTWERK Infobahr- Lots = MORE KW Links&Stuff! =20 "The Bright Side" = !*WOW*! EXcellent WebSite! The KRAFTWERK JukeBox is Great! =20 Jimmy's X3M Fina Sida. = AWESOME GraFFiX! KW and STAR TREK and X-files! KooL Pages! =20 Yeah! KW's TG gig on RealAudio! Bob = Weustink saved the Partial broadcast of their performance from the BBC = Radio1/Essential mix on his HomePages. Very Nice! =20 Czech it = out! Live Fotos! =20 The gig used to be in the Listening Room = on Essential Mix. KW's not on there anymore, but, you might find other = TECHNO Artists of interest. =20 or They're = supposed to have videos of KW and other Artists at TG on this Tribal TV = WebSite- like, any day now. -(Don't hold your breath.)- =20 Jens Heidling's Sites of = KRAFTWERK & S.P.O.C.K. - -(I gotta hear these Swedish SynthPop TREKKIES! I'm told they're kinda = KWish, but, way sillier!)- =20 Klaus Zaepke's = KRAFTWERK OnLine Library. LOTS of references to various KW Articles and = reviews. Some are directly accessible on the Net. =20 KW: The Early Years- good = info, nice pictures! =20 Mats Kadmark. Another dedicated = Fan- KooL HomePage! =20 Interesting Article & Live = Fotos- tiny & not very clear, but.... =20 More KW = pictures- The one called "Dummies" is EXcellent! The rest are mostly = Album covers, etc. =20 SAKURA's KW BootList- Good = Fotos of the CD covers! =20 Another = BootList. Text only. - -(No, I don't like the idea of BootLeg Rip-Offs, but, I'm including = these for curiosity's sake....)- =20 = MIDI Alert! MegaSoundBytes! =20 *WHEW* That's all the Links I can find off-hand. There's LOTS more out = there. ENJOY! =20 ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile. Your Personal = Net is FREE! Anyone can PEEK at the "pages", but, it's fun to join and = find other Net People with similar interests. Until I can figure out how = to set up a real HomePage, this will have to suffice....)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Members Lounge. Same Foto, = different Text. Membership is FREE, but, you must join in order to see = Members Profiles and post messages on the BBOARD.)- =20 +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+= ^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =3DKRAFTWERK=3DKRAFTWERK=3DKRAFTWERK=3DKRAFTWERK=3DKRAFTWERK=3DKRAFTWERK=3D= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+= ^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:21:59 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) re: KW RULES.... Links I hope my last transmission made it to the List with no trouble. I've = seen messages with a few Links posted before, but, never a whole = pagefull. I spent all day compiling this List'o'Links, and I sent it out = to a few people and everything checked out okay. I typed everything in = ordinary text. Nothing fancy. Just regular Email. The URLs should appear = highlighted so you can just click and go! Otherwise, if anyone on the = Digest version -(where Links are NOT highlighted)- needs me to send it = to them separately, and/or if I've missed any good links out there, = please write and let me know. If I knew how to set up my own HomePage, = I'd put the Links on it, for sure. I'm SO excited to see TG Fotos on the = Net! FINALLY! Dig those TRON Suits! God, I wish I could've BEEN there!! = I was in tears while drooling over Reymond Laurent's = pictures....*sigh*.... VERY Well done, mon Ami! Tres magnifique!! = - -(sp?)- {{{{{{{{CYBERHUGS}}}}}}}} ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:08:22 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "The Early Years" WWW pages > KW: The Early Years- > good info, nice pictures! Well, this "good info" is nothing but an amazingly unashamed and ruthless rip-off of Pascal Bussy's book (with exactly the same mistakes as in Bussy's book!), while the author (or should I say: the plagiarist) doesn't even credit Bussy as his source! Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:26:21 +0200 (MDT) From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) Infobahr - the next generation (or something) At last, the infobahr will be redesigned during the next weeks. I would like to hear your opinions on what changes, features you would like to see. Feel free to submit new material. /anders Visit the trafopages at http://www.analogue.org/trafo - -- ******************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * mailto:dvlawm@cs.umu.se or trafo@analogue.org * * Umea University * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * http://wilhelm.ml.org/ * ******************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 10:31:35 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) RADIO 1 COMPLAINTS I have just discovered that we need to use a different e-mail address for complaints about Radio 1. Messages should be sent to vlc@bbc.co.uk. They guarantee a response within 10 days. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 12:08:17 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) RE: The Best of Tribal Gathering!! I just got this from the BBC. It's not much of a response! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: RE: The Best of Tribal Gathering!! From: graeme.roberts@bbc.co.uk (Graeme Roberts) at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 6/6/97 11:37 I am sorry this programme did not live up to your expectations. Please be assured that your comments have been registered and will be passed to the appropriate department. You may like to call the Radio One Helpline on 0800 110 100. Thank you for sharing your views with us. ---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 16:17:13 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: (kw) Wotz Wrong with P. Bussy's book? At 12:08 PM 6/6/97 +0200, Klaus wrote: >(with exactly the same mistakes as in Bussy's book!) I've red Bussy's book (and thought it was mighty cool :)) - but was is wrong with this info? Any links, lists or something like that with corrections on the info in Bussy's book? Laterz, Statik. - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:19:19 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) FW: Complaint Hi there everyone, You will notice that I have finally received a reply to my complaint to the BBC on their transmission from TG. I must admit, although I did not listen to the broadcast Graeme referred to on June 1, I was under the impression that no KW material was aired at all? I recommend we all call the BBC helpline over a designated time period so that we jam out all other callers,........then they will feel the power of the Kraftwerk aura!!!!! Best Regards, Craig. If you want to push the boat out to explore new horizons, you have to be prepared to get your feet wet...................... - ---------- From: Graeme Roberts[SMTP:graeme.roberts@bbc.co.uk] Sent: 06 June 1997 16:05 To: Craig Land Subject: RE: Complaint We are sorry that you were disappointed by our presentation of this concert. The live broadcast of Tribal Gathering (on 24 May) lasted virtually all night and included as much as we could of the event as it was taking place. The following weekend (on 1 June) we broadcast a special programme featuring a selection of the best acts - including Kraftwerk, but obviously this one-hour programme could not include all the music from the three-day event. Regarding BBC transcripts this is certainly something you'll have to call the Radio 1 Helpline for. ---------- From: Craig Land To: 'Graeme Roberts' Subject: RE: Complaint Date: 06 June 1997 01:15 Priority: High Sorry for the 'simple' question, but why should I telephone? Is it to answer why the BBC never aired the complete Kraftwerk show? Or, to advise me on my questions in the post script to my second mail message? Many thanks, Craig. ---------- From: Graeme Roberts[SMTP:graeme.roberts@bbc.co.uk] Sent: 06 June 1997 12:28 To: Craig Land Subject: RE: Complaint You can call the Radio 1 Helpline on 0800 110 100 ---------- From: Craig Land To: 'vlc@bbc.co.uk' Subject: FW: Complaint Date: 06 June 1997 12:25 Priority: High I have just been informed that my previous mail was seen to the wrong office for handling. Please let me have your comments at your earliest convenience. Many thanks, Craig Land. PS. Did the BBC actually record the whole Kraftwerk show and then edit it? If you do have a copy of the Kraftwerk show archived, what are the possibilities of me getting hold of a recording? Do the BBC still issue the Transcript LP's? I used to have a Gary Numan BBC Transcript LP years ago! ---------- From: Craig Land[SMTP:cland@acl.memec.com] Sent: 04 June 1997 09:41 To: 'radio1@bbc.co.uk' Cc: 'kraftwerk@xmission.com' Subject: Complaint Importance: High Dear Sirs, I would like to express my concerns over the issue of the Kraftwerk performance Radio 1 transmitted from Tribal Gathering. I was actually at the event and was very impressed with the show, but had I listened to you transmission I would have been thoroughly disappointed. The first couple of tracks were very slow and the playlist was heavily edited. The fact that you edited the section where Kraftwerk played their new song, the first for ten years and which everyone was waiting for amazes me. Kraftwerk were billed as one of, if not the top act, as they are the pioneers of the Techno groove and have not played in the UK for six years, I feel this would have been strong evidence in order to justify the BBC transmitting the whole show. I hope that all those who were looking forward to your transmission from afar a field as the USA will also express their feelings on what was a long awaited event, only to be spoiled by the so called 'expertise' of the editors at Radio 1. Yours faithfully, Craig Land 'A UK tax and license paying resident'! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 22:56:53 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Wotz Wrong with P. Bussy's book? Darren sent this to me, but i think he meant it for the kraftwerk list, so her it is. Johan. >Date: Fri, 06 Jun 97 11:38:22 -0500 >From: "Darren Poindexter" >Return-Receipt-To: >To: <0weterings01@flnet.nl> >Subject: Re: (kw) Wotz Wrong with P. Bussy's book? > > > I was in a record store recently and saw a cd by a group calling > themselves "Kraftwelt". It went on to say "Inspired by Kraftwerk". > Does anyone know who these guys are???? > > - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:03:59 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Fw: Links, etc..... > From: Julian Seifert > To: ROBOT > Subject: Links, etc..... > Date: Friday, June 06, 1997 4:27 AM >=20 > Hey, ROBEY, >=20 > Nice page 'o links. Here is a correction, >=20 > Midi files. > http://nin.chalkida.hol.gr/people/user_pgs/midiweb/digital/krftwrk.htm >=20 > If you want LOADS of KW midi files, try :- >=20 > http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/krftwerk.htm >=20 > There are loads, with more to follow!! >=20 > Keepin' me eyes glued to Tribal Tv this week. >=20 > BTW, I'm usually on IRC at the following times........ >=20 > 1300 - 1400 GMT > 1700 - 1800 GMT >=20 > 2000 GMT sometimes. >=20 > Maybe we'll bump into each other? >=20 > Jules KooL! Thanks for the Links correction and addition! I have to do a bit = of editing before I convert my Links List to an Attatchment file. Does = anybody else know any other good links I should include? I can't list = ALL the KW WebSites- I'm sure there's a lot more out there- but, I'll do = my best! I'm sorry Klause is dissapointed with "The Early Years". Yes- = it IS info taken directly from The BOOK, and, granted, credit should be = given, but, I think it's a nice WebSite anyway, so, I chose to include = it. Under the circumstances, I hope you don't mind me forwarding this = message to the Mail List. I'd love to meet up with EV'ryBuddy in the = #Kraftwerk ChatRoom sometime! ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:13:16 -0400 From: Mark Stagg Subject: (kw) That BBC Broadcast The slooww playback of "Numbers" and "Computerworld" from the BBC Radio O= ne Tribal Gathering broadcast corresponds *exactly* to the result obtained i= f the performance was recorded at a sample rate of 48kHz, but played back referenced to a 44.1kHz clock. If you carry out the reverse process: play back a 44.1kHz recording of th= e broadcast synchronized to a 48kHz clock, this not only gives a normal sounding tempo, but more tellingly brings the pitch of the tracks up to standard concert tuning. (To be exact: "Computerworld" plays back in G minor - the key KW always play that track in - and not somewhere between = G flat and F as per the actual broadcast). = I heard a story that Ralf took charge of the DAT of the performance, taki= ng it away with him afterward, thus avoiding the broadcast of "Man-Machine","Tour de France" and more crucially that new track, among others. I reckon this is the reason that the performance wasn't broadcast= live; there was a little over one hour between the end of their set and t= he broadcast - just enough time to copy the recording over to another machin= e, along with that rather crude edit between "Computerworld" and "Radioactivity". While it seems strange that only the first two tracks we= re screwed up, it's easy to imagine such a mistake occurring, with no chance= to check the copy before it went out. IMHO I think you're all being a bit hard on the BBC! - whenever their nam= e was mentioned re TG it was with the same reverential tone that gets used = by all of us (myself included!) on this list. And they did seem genuinely proud to be transmitting a live Kraftwerk set. = I personally suspect that the slow playback and edited running order of t= he broadcast was in fact more to do with KW themselves than the BBC... :-) STAGGMAN = = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 22:01:37 -0700 From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) Groove Radio, Los Angeles & KW WHO SAYS KRAFTWERK DOEN'T EXIST IN L.A.! Well, Groove Radio at 103.1 in Los Angeles has published the Groove Radio's Top 103.1 Songs To Remember. And guess who made it in the top 103. That's right, you guessed it, Kraftwerk. Coming in at number 41 - Tour De France. Interesting to note that Planet Rock from AB & the Soulsonic Force came in at number 3! Check out this site for other cool things - lists, live broadcast of their station 24 hours via RealAudio (Cool), etc. http://www.grooveradio.com/ Have fun! Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 05 Jun 1997 23:07:02 -0600 From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Instrument Invention Hello, I'm a new subscriber to the group. My name is Marco DuBose. I live in Houston, Texas and I've been listening to Kraftwek for many years. I am very jealous of all you who had the chance to see them live! I may have gotten in on the tail end of the electronic drums/invention thread but it struck a chord or two. DEVO is another group which embraced electronics early on. The group's original drummer Jim Mothersbaugh (the third Mothersbaugh brother) experimented with creating electric drums (as I recall, early attempts involved putting guitar pickups on the drums). Some of the group's earliest recordings feature this set up and it can be seen Devo's video "The Men Who Make The Music" during the song "Secret Agent Man" (a different version from that on the "Duty Now For The Future" album. Jim left the band to further pursue his electronic interests (and his own conviction that the band needed a traditional drummer) and went on the work for Roland. He also served on the board which wrote the original MIDI protocols. Some of the interviews with R & F also reminded me of DEVO. Inventing their own instruments because what they needed didn't exist; and the idea of twiddling the knobs to find their own sound - pushing the electronic instruments past the built in sound. Thanks for the great reviews of the TG show! Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 15:13:33 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) To whom it may concern Hello... After sampling some of the Kraftwerk sites (by the way-- thanks, ROBOT!), I noticed that KW's appearance on the Midnight Special (American TV) didn't seem to be available on anyone's web site (if it is, I apologize). Well, my good friend and fellow E-music perpetrator Arnold Mathes once gave me a copy and I'm in the process of digging it out of my tape archives. If and when I find it I'd like to make it available on the Web, but I don't have a site of my own yet. Does anyone have extra space on their page(s) for it? This offer is only open to people with their own Web sites, because otherwise I'd be swamped :-]. Contact me by E-mail and we can work out the logistics of getting it out to you in cassette form. This is a limited offer; I think 4 or 5 sites ought to be enough if everyone shares. The tape consists of the intro (Helen Reddy and Gabe Kaplan (!!!???)), and a sort of hushed version (short, too) of AUTOBAHN... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Jun 97 02:57:43 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) KW: Samples from the three first albums Hi all, Is there a place on the Web where i may find MP3 or Wav samples of KW's three first albums. It seems that these early albums have not the same sound as what they have done later. Unfortunately these albums are quite expensive here in France, at last for old records. Thank you. Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France URL: http://home.worldnet.fr/bonald # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:51:30 +0000 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) strange sounds and intro tapes > Hmm, very interesting. Just so you know, I DIDN'T get the impression that they > were going to "launch into something" before PC came on. There are nearly always > extra noises and sounds during live performances surely. yeah maybe. talking of extra noises, it's a shame they didn't use an intro tape like they used to. i particularly liked the walter carlos version of LVB's "glorious ninth"' as heard on the japanese bootleg from the '81 tour - always brings a smile to the face of everyone who knows kubrick's film of "'a clockwork orange"! Jon Alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 18:19:51 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Boxset Question Hi all, One friend asked me to forward this: >On a differnet note - apparently there is a 4 x 12" Limited Edition >Kraftwerk box set. I need this so if anyone knows anything about it mail >me NOW. Its supposedly on EMI but when I phoned them, they knew nothing of >it! > >Andrew Lane - Music Technology Undergraduate >E mail - afl100@york.ac.uk >E page - AndrewL@eSMS.com >Mobile - 0467417742 >------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:05:23 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) That BBC Broadcast >If you carry out the reverse process: play back a 44.1kHz >recording of the broadcast synchronized to a 48kHz clock, this >not only gives a normal sounding tempo, but more tellingly >brings the pitch of the tracks up to standard concert tuning Cool!! Anyone got the .ra converted to .mp3?? I think you can adjust the sample rate if you do this!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:59:30 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) That BBC Broadcast >Anyone got the .ra converted to .mp3?? I think you can adjust the sample >rate if you do this!! Hi people. I'm one of those unfortunate few out here who because of my s-l-o-w 14.4 modem has still not heard ANY audio whatsoever from KW at the Tribal Gathering. I am unable to access the .ra and .mp3 files that are 28.8 bandwidth and higher. I figure i'll give this one last shot before i give up. If there's anyone out here who has a copy of KW's complete performance in its entirety from the Tribal Gathering on audio cassette, please get in touch with me as soon as possible. I'll be happy to pay you for your trouble to copy it for me, or perhaps trade something with you if I have something you'd want a copy of. I realize that most of you have already heard at least most of KW's performance, and some of you were actually there at the event live! But I haven't been able to see or hear anything of the show to date. Again, I'm looking for an audio cassette copy of KW's whole performance at TG, not just the excerpts featured on BBC radio 1 (though if it comes down to it I'll have to settle for that!). hehe Oh well, I hope to hear from at least one of you. Please help out a fellow KW fanatic without access. Thanks for your time. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "By pressing down a special key I find I can't play .mp3" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:07:04 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) TG intro Hi!=20 =20 The introduction speech at TG was as follows:=20 =20 "Meine Damen und Herren, Ladies and Gentlemen, heute abend=20 aus Deutschland, die Mensch-Maschine: Kraftwerk."=20 =20 which means:=20 =20 "(My) Ladies and Gentlemen, = ,Tonight from Germany the=20 man-machine: Kraftwerk (=power station)"=20 =20 This intro message was also used at the London concert 1981!=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 16:03:00 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) TG intro Mats Kadmark said: > The introduction speech at TG was as follows: > "Meine Damen und Herren, Ladies and Gentlemen, heute abend > aus Deutschland, die Mensch-Maschine: Kraftwerk." > This intro message was also used at the London concert 1981! ROBOT replies: WAY KooL! - -(Stupid Question Alert!)- Was it VOCODER-speech, or were they introduced by a mere Human? I heard a female voice on BBC Radio1's broadcast saying, "Tribal Gathering presents: The MAN.MACHINE!", midway through their set, I'm sure. ROBOT@humboldt1.com +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:18:46 -0600 From: Peter Liethen Subject: (kw) DAT sampling question I read in the mailing that some of the songs transmited on the BBC were slow because of a recoring error (recording at 48kHz and playing back at 44.1kHz) Are all the songs like that? I'm asking because I have a copy off the BBC 1 brodcast, and I am going to feed it into my computer, and 'speed up' the correct songs, make RealAudio (144, 288 and isdn encoding) and .au sound files (MPEG-2 and .wav if I can) and put them up on my web page. A quick reply would speed things up, and I might have the page up by next friday. - -Peter Liethen pliethen@globaldialog.com http://www.globaldialog.com/~pliethen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 01:47:46 -0700 From: "J. Talbert" Subject: (kw) Latest Kraftwerk MIDI additions I've added two NEW Kraftwerk MIDI files to the Resonance Underground Musik Lab. "Airwaves" "Tour De France" - Not really new but *greatly* improved from the first version Currently the KW MIDI files available are: "Man-Machine" "Robotronik" (The Robots Klingklang mix) "Electric Cafe" "Tour De France" - Enhanced (improved) "Airwaves" All files are available for download in .zip format in the Kraftwerk Lab http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/krftwerk.htm Scheduled next are (unless I receive other requests): "Home Computer" (Mix version) "Metropolis" Happy listening. - -- John Talbert jtalbert@ameritech.net http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/mainpage.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:14:32 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) TG intro Message text written by "ROBOT" >Was it VOCODER-speech, or were they introduced by a mere Human? I heard = a female voice on BBC Radio1's broadcast saying, "Tribal Gathering presents: The MAN.MACHINE!",= midway through their set, I'm sure.< It was the same intro used on just about every kw concert since 1981. The female voice on the broadcast was that of Annie Nightingale, a BBC DJ= =2E Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:39:04 MET From: "esf18 - user" Subject: Re: (kw) TG intro > ROBOT replies: > WAY KooL! > -(Stupid Question Alert!)- > Was it VOCODER-speech, or were they introduced by a mere Human? I heard a female voice on BBC > Radio1's broadcast saying, "Tribal Gathering presents: The MAN.MACHINE!", midway through their set, > I'm sure. > The 'speech' was taken care of by the same robotic voice Kraftwerk has used since 1981, the voice you hear before the speech is from one of the presenters of BBC Radio One. Stefan Louwers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 97 08:37:33 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) TG intro They have always used this intro. Nowadays it must be a digital sample of a tape of Florians voice through a vocoder. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: (kw) TG intro From: ROBOT at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 8/6/97 23:25 Mats Kadmark said: > The introduction speech at TG was as follows: > "Meine Damen und Herren, Ladies and Gentlemen, heute abend > aus Deutschland, die Mensch-Maschine: Kraftwerk." > This intro message was also used at the London concert 1981! ROBOT replies: WAY KooL! - -(Stupid Question Alert!)- Was it VOCODER-speech, or were they introduced by a mere Human? I heard a female voice on BBC Radio1's broadcast saying, "Tribal Gathering presents: The MAN.MACHINE!", midway through their set, I'm sure. ROBOT@humboldt1.com +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^ + ^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^ + ^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 12:05:54 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: (kw) BBC Broadcast on a DAT? Hi! I know at least two list-members who have the KW BBC-broadcast on a DAT. Would some of you please contact me privatly? I work part-time in a studio here in Amsterdam, and they have this Hard disk recorder with which it is possible to digitally transfer DAT-data to CD. They have a burner as well, so I could burn a couple of CDz as well. Please mail me. Thanx, Johan (aka Statik) e: 0weterings01@flnet.nl - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:07:40 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Wotz Wrong with P. Bussy's book? > >(with exactly the same mistakes as in Bussy's book!) > > I've red Bussy's book (and thought it was mighty cool :)) - but was is > wrong with this info? The book contains quite a number of inaccuracies and little mistakes, such as inaccurate translations, wrong details in concert descriptions etc. > Any links, lists or something like that with corrections on > the info in Bussy's book? I don't think so, but some of these mistakes were already discussed on this list in the past, so there should be some info available somewhere in the digests. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 09 Jun 1997 12:21:38 GMT From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Boxset Question Fermin Goiriz,j021850503@abonados.cplus.es,Internet writes: Hi all, One friend asked me to forward this: >On a differnet note - apparently there is a 4 x 12" Limited Edition >Kraftwerk box set. I need this so if anyone knows anything about it mail >me NOW. Its supposedly on EMI but when I phoned them, they knew nothing of >it! *EMI never ever know anything about Kraftwerk. > >Andrew Lane - Music Technology Undergraduate >E mail - afl100@york.ac.uk >E page - AndrewL@eSMS.com >Mobile - 0467417742 >------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 97 13:10:44 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) Re: strange sounds and intro tapes _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: strange sounds and intro tapes From: Richard POOLTON Date: 9/6/97 9:32 I had the impression that "The 9th" was something added by the cd's producers and not part of the KW set, they certainly didn't use it when I saw them on the Computerworld tour, and it doesn't feature on any other '81 bootlegs I've heared. No doubt someone on the list can come up with a definitive answer! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: strange sounds and intro tapes From: Jon Alsbury at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 8/6/97 2:15 > Hmm, very interesting. Just so you know, I DIDN'T get the impression that they > were going to "launch into something" before PC came on. There are nearly alway s > extra noises and sounds during live performances surely. yeah maybe. talking of extra noises, it's a shame they didn't use an intro tape like they used to. i particularly liked the walter carlos version of LVB's "glorious ninth"' as heard on the japanese bootleg from the '81 tour - always brings a smile to the face of everyone who knows kubrick's film of "'a clockwork orange"! Jon Alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 09:41:16 -0400 From: Ralph Milam Subject: (kw) Intro My name is Ralph Milam. I live in Woodstock, Ga. USA. (Metro Atlanta) I work for Coca-Cola Enterprises in Atlanta. Kraftwerk is my favorite band, Gary Numan being my favorite solo artist. I found out about this list through the Numan Digest. I wish I knew about Kraftwerk sooner but I didn't get introduced to their music until the 80's. There was a group with a titled called 'Planet Rock' that was played on the radio all the time. A buddy of mine told me it was a knock-off of T.E.E. I got the album and have been hooked ever since. I look forward to the digest and hope it is as fulfilling and informative as the Numan digest. Incidentally, my very first CD was Kraftwerk's Computer World. I still have it and it plays perfectly. It's about 12 yrs old now. Sincerely, Ralph ================================================= Ralph Milam (ralphm@mindspring.com) In the Atlanta area? Check out the SPARC repeater at 443.750+ PL 79.7. ================================================= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:42:09 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) Box Set Hi there Everyone, Has anyone on the list actually managed to get hold of one of those box sets yet? I have placed an order with my local HMV store who are regularly conducting searches on their computer database for this item. When I went into the store at the weekend, I looked through the system with them, but there is nothing from either EMI or on all Kraftwerk material to even suggest this item is available. Also, I could not see anything on the apparent release of the Man Machine double CD pack which is supposed to be available now. HMV are quite good, because their system tells them everything that has ever been available, on what format and if it has been deleted or not. I will keep trying but am beginning to worry if I will get hold of one! I did also have a look through the latest Record Collector magazine over the weekend. There was not much Kraftwerk material being advertsied but there was a company advertising Kraftwerk 1, Kraftwerk 2, Ralph and Florian, Tone Float for L15 each! I take it this is on CD for those prices, as the ad. did not say. I cannot remeber the name of the company though, sorry. Does anyone have any information on the next record fairs in the Home Counties (Beds., Bucks., Herts) and London area? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:51:25 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Re: (kw) Box Set On Jun 9, 2:42pm, Craig Land wrote: > Has anyone on the list actually managed to get hold of one of those box > sets yet? > > I have placed an order with my local HMV store who are regularly conducting > searches on their computer database for this item. When I went into the > store at the weekend, I looked through the system with them, but there is > nothing from either EMI or on all Kraftwerk material to even suggest this > item is available. Also, I could not see anything on the apparent release Esprit mail order in the UK have it: KRAFTWERK Klang Box 101 (UK promo-only 4 x 12" box set incl Trans Europe Express, Numbers, Musique Non Stop and Homecomputer 12"s each in custom p/s inside black box, only 200 made KLANG-BOX-101) UK 249.99 / $ 387.00 250 pounds! You can find them at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/esprit/. Joar - -- Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no /// WWW: Enigma/Sandra http://www.stud.his.no/~joarg/ /// Eschew obfuscation. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 97 15:53:17 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) The Man Machine According to EMI the re-issue date has been moved to mid-July. Now ain't that a surprise! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 17:35:48 -0700 From: "K.C." Subject: (kw) KW RA files Hi! I downloaded the KW ra files from the BWE site, and I cannot play them. I have other RA files that play fine, but It seems that the KW ones won't play. Why? Does anyone have a solution to this problem? i am using Win95. I haven't heard the performance yet, and I REALLY want to. thanks! K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:27:15 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: strange sounds and intro tapes Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk,internet writes:=20 =20 >I had the impression that "The 9th" was something added by the cd's=20 >producers=20 >and not part of the KW set, they certainly didn't use it when I saw=20 >them on the=20 >Computerworld tour, and it doesn't feature on any other '81 bootlegs=20 >I've=20 >heared. No doubt someone on the list can come up with a definitive=20 >answer!=20 =20 This Water/Wendy Carlos (anyone know the difference?) intro is at least=20 mixed into "Numbers", I doubt the bootleggers would do that, but it is=20 of course difficult to tell...=20 =20 I was not present at the Tokyo concert 7th of September 1981, but=20 perhaps someone on the list was ???=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:30:49 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) KW RA files malophd@ix.netcom.com,internet writes:=20 =20 >Hi! I downloaded the KW ra files from the BWE site, and I cannot play=20 >them. I have other RA files that play fine, but It seems that the KW=20 >ones won't play. Why? Does anyone have a solution to this problem? i=20 >am using Win95. I haven't heard the performance yet, and I REALLY want=20 >to. thanks!=20 =20 You must have the latest Realplayer 4.0, beta version, to play it !!!=20 =20 I have windows 95 and a 100 Mhz processor and it werks fine.=20 =20 you can download this version at:=20 =20 http://www.real.com/products/player/dl.html=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:33:21 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Tribal TV Taken from http://www.tribaltv.com/ttv1/ttv2.html: > A big thanks to all those who helped out > during Tribal Gathering 1997, the marathon > 30 hour session that was the launch of Tribal > TV, and also to all the people who have sent > us email and asked us qustions. Here are some > answers. Yes, we are going to do more live > things with the site. Yes, we are going to > update the site to include more content. No, > unless Krafwerk change their minds, we can't > show you their excellent set. [...] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:44:35 +0100 From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) May the Force........... > Further to this, who was the person aiming a laser light at Florian's > Forehead??? > Jules He stood a couple of feet away from me. He had a couple of those pen sized laser pointers and appeared to take great pleasure in waving them about all night (even before KW were on). Little toys for little boys eh? Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:55:23 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) From station to station... Hello folks. Just a couple of ideas for speculation here. I was listening to "Trans-Europe Express" on 'The Mix' and it made me wonder why they left off the last verse of the song: "from station to station back to duesseldorf city, meet iggie pop and david bowie." This verse was present in the original 1977 version of the song, so it prompted me to wonder if KW didn't want to continue to align themselves with the influences of yesterday, or perhaps it was just condensed for time. Also, I was looking through the booklets from the 3 Cleopatra 'capitol years' cd re-issues, and I realized that the photo on the back of the booklet for 'The Man-Machine' (also printed on the disc itself) is the only photo from these 3 discs that does not also appear somewhere in either the Capitol or EMI (English or German) versions of the cd. The image I am referring to is a slightly birdseye view featuring the 4 dummies in their red shirt outfits, and the hair on each dummy appears to be glossed over with some kind of gold paint. Does anyone know where this photo originally came from? - -- Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Sie ist ein Modell und sie sieht gut aus..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:07:46 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Box Set On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:42:09 +0100 Craig Land writes: >Hi there Everyone, > >Has anyone on the list actually managed to get hold of one of those >box >sets yet? > theres an outfit here in the us called intergalactic (they're on the web also), that has a new release mailing list...they advertised 4 kraftwerk singles on colored vinyl for something ridiculous like 25 bucks a piece...no mention of a box though and no mention of a release date either.... it all sounds ominous... tom w np: unlimited ambient # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:55:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: Re: (kw) TG intro Hi! On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Mats Kadmark wrote: > The introduction speech at TG was as follows: > > "Meine Damen und Herren, Ladies and Gentlemen, heute abend > aus Deutschland, die Mensch-Maschine: Kraftwerk." > > This intro message was also used at the London concert 1981! Funny! At the Austrian Gigs, 91 in Vienna and 93 in Linz, the "aus Deutschland" was missing. I will NOT ask, why! ;-)) BTW: I remember, that there was a second concert in 93, but i do not exactly remember where (was ist Strasbourg???)........ Any hints? Greetings from Muehlviertel... zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:07:30 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) From station to station... Scott M. Barnhill wrote: >they left off the last verse of the song: "from station to station back >to düsseldorf city, meet iggy pop and david bowie." This verse was >present in the original 1977 version of the song, so it prompted me to >wonder if KW didn't want to continue to align themselves with the >influences of yesterday, or perhaps it was just condensed for time. I hope Kraftwerk don't like shitty Bowie anymore! His old stuff is fine, but what he is doing now is just shit. Well, it's my opinion ;-) Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 20:04:08 +0200 From: Peter Subject: (kw) My Early years site >Well, this "good info" is nothing but an amazingly unashamed and >ruthless rip-off of Pascal Bussy's book (with exactly the same mistakes >as in Bussy's book!), while the author (or should I say: the >plagiarist) doesn't even credit Bussy as his source! > Klaus Zaepke I agree on one thing, Pascal Bussy should be credited and I will credit him on my next update. Talking about rip-offs, your own page only consist of copywrite protected material, or do you have any written permission to distribute that kind of information? Let's face it, Kraftwerk sites on the web breaks every copywrite rule ever invented. As stated by Oasis record company "all Oasis sites must be shut down, no texts or sound files can be distributed without written permission". Instead of picking on other people you should continue your good research work on Kraftwerk. Peter http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 23:58:11 +0200 From: Oli Subject: (kw) Any KW fans in Poland? Hi, it's me again. Is anyone of the members of the KW mailing-list living in Poland? Please mail me RuckZuck! Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:35:52 +0100 From: "Lawrence" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: strange sounds and intro tapes This Water/Wendy Carlos (anyone know the difference?) Well, Walter Carlos was playing with this knife one day and.....hey presto, Wendy! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- neil.lawrence@virgin.net "Why cant life have an "undo" button?" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 09 Jun 97 18:41:03 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) The Man Machine Richard.Poolton was saying: >According to EMI the re-issue date has been moved to mid-July. Now ain't that >a surprise! Forgive me if I've missed something, but they're going to reissue AGAIN ? They only just reissued it about a year or two ago, along with Radioactivity and TEE, as you may know. What's going on ? - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult. -- Sigmund Freud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:42:46 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) TG intro >BTW: I remember, that there was a second concert in 93, but i do not >exactly remember where (was ist Strasbourg???)........ Hah, there were even more in '93. One in Groningen, one in Ghent, one in Osnabruck (not sure) and i'm sure there were a few others as well. They kicked off in Gronigen actually, but Ghent was a whole lot better (and louder as well). Laterz, Johan. - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:28:29 -0400 (EDT) From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk and Vocoder questions OK - I'm basically wondering who took care of most of the vocoder work on KW releases.....The vocoded sections always seem to have an ultra synthetic quality (i'm not talking about where the voices are actually synthesized like on parts of CW or EC....) but mostly on Radioactivity etc......Take for example, the song "Uranium." The voice seems to have a bit of an accent but does not sound like either R or F....and I've always found Florian's voice to be more "stale" or "neutral" than Ralf's...and I always find myself missing it on many songs for that very reason. Like "Radioland" - the first line: Ralf - sort-of nasal....Then Florian - more hollow. I've wondered if KW have ever vocoded a trick I myself have used many times: learn to speak words backwards (reversed envelope - which is rather hard!) and one-at-a-time record them, flip the tape over, then vocode the passage of speech.....it certainly gives it a synthetic quality!!!!! Anyone? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:34:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Future808@aol.com Subject: (kw) Start the rumour mill! So this person starts talking to me on AOL the other day, with the screen name Dead Soon. Claims to live in Cologne, Germany. He? She? said that KW are going to tour this summer, and are in rehersals as we speak. This person said "Im Juli Kraftwerk mit kommen im musik" I asked someone to translate, and it's "Kraftwerk is coming in July" I was told this was bad grammer, and sounded like something a computer would translate. I pressed for details, which they would not give, but said that the rehersals were going on in Cologne. Any idea if any of this is legit? Wish I knew! Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:12:33 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Box Set >>> KRAFTWERK Klang Box 101 (UK promo-only 4 x 12" box set incl Trans Europe Express, Numbers, Musique Non Stop and Homecomputer 12"s each in custom p/s inside black box, only 200 made KLANG-BOX-101) UK 249.99 / $ 387.00 <<< Is the vinyl that super-quality 180-gram stuff, like audiophile jazz records???? That would be da bomb! >>> Water/Wendy Carlos (anyone know the difference?) <<< Walter had a sex-change operation in 1972. s/he's now Wendy. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:00:18 +0200 From: Marc Giannoccaro Subject: [none] POUM TSCHAKK But what was the rest ??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 97 08:34:34 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) My Early years site _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: (kw) My Early years site From: Richard POOLTON Date: 10/6/97 9:21 Excellent! I think we're brewing up for another e-mail punch-up! It's been a while since the last one. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: (kw) My Early years site From: Peter at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 9/6/97 22:23 >Well, this "good info" is nothing but an amazingly unashamed and >ruthless rip-off of Pascal Bussy's book (with exactly the same mistakes >as in Bussy's book!), while the author (or should I say: the >plagiarist) doesn't even credit Bussy as his source! > Klaus Zaepke I agree on one thing, Pascal Bussy should be credited and I will credit him on my next update. Talking about rip-offs, your own page only consist of copywrite protected material, or do you have any written permission to distribute that kind of information? Let's face it, Kraftwerk sites on the web breaks every copywrite rule ever invented. As stated by Oasis record company "all Oasis sites must be shut down, no texts or sound files can be distributed without written permission". Instead of picking on other people you should continue your good research work on Kraftwerk. Peter http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:56:14 +0200 From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: (kw) Speed of .RA files.... Hello all! This is my first mail to this list, but I've been "lurking" around for some months now :D Well I just DL the RealAudio files with the TG concert, and I must say that they REALLY sound SLOW compared to the REAL thing (Yes I was there :D) At the concert I got the feeling most of the tunes where as fast or faster then The MIX versions, and the realaudio files sounds really dull and slow. Possible due to the fact that they are replayed at 44.1Khz. The only two persons I saw at TG that is on this list was Craig Land and his friend, but I didn't know that at that time, and I only saw him once from behind (the text kraftwerk@xmission.com helped a bit :) Sorry that I didn't talked to you, but you vanished before I had a chance to talk to you again. Maybe someone saw me? I was wearing the blue KW bicycle shirt, and a white jacket. ANd had a blue rucksack. Regards //Robert - -- - - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 97 09:06:40 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) "All electronic music is the same" So say the ignorant. I saw Jean-Michel Jarre at Wembley last night. He just doesn't have that ingredient X does he. He was a million miles from putting on the kind of show that Kraftwerk did at TG. Most disappointing. Anyway one last thought. One of the cleverest and most original Kraftwerk- related tracks is the phoneme version of Lifestyle by Karl Bartos. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:21:38 +0800 From: usura@pacific.net.sg Subject: (kw) kraftwerk gig i'm another newie to the list - i was going to lurk a while before posting anything, but basically i'm going to burst if i don't ask this right now ... did anyone see the concert kraftwerk played in the UK some months back? i read about it in "Q", i think, and was rabid to go. of course, being on a different continent didn't help! how was it / track listing / did they dance??? / is there is video/audio recording etc etc etc? i apologise if this is old news already discussed to death here - i would be grateful if someone could give me the info privately to not clutter up the list unecessarily. as required in the kraftwerk FAQ, here goes the bio: name monique chong in singapore. about the only kling klang fan in this country, as far as i can tell (please contradict me, someone) - boring "friends" always start moaning when i put "neon lights" on the car stereo. thrilled to find this list - finally, like-minded people ... can (almost) sing "autobahn" from start to finish in the bath (i lie). enough personal rubbish. sorry to bore. thanks and cheers. m. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:08:00 +0900 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQGlFRCEhNzAbKEI=?= Subject: (kw) distrustful... Hello, all! On 1 Jun 1997 Hiroshi-san wrote: >Some GIF files in www.kraftwerk.com has copyright info >as follows. Sorry, I can't believe there is a official homepage of KRAFTWERK. I think that "www.kraftwerk.com" is a only privete homepage. If I remember right, this address is in Dortmund Germany.(Not Dusseldorf!) ...And, such a taciturn group gives us some infomation? Please, make me believe!!! Bye, KAORU p.s. Hiroshi-san, I live near your house. I live in Tachikawa-city! And I change at JR/Seibu Kokubunji station, everyday!! #---Sorry,I don't write English well. Did you understand?? *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:15:22 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) distrustful... Dear 'Werkers, At 19:08 10/Jun/1997 +0900, Kaoru-san wrote: >On 1 Jun 1997 Hiroshi-san wrote: > >Some GIF files in www.kraftwerk.com has copyright info > >as follows. > >Sorry, I can't believe there is a official homepage of KRAFTWERK. Oh, you don't have to worry anymore. 8-) Some GIF comments say like this: - --------Comments from which appears in (C) Copyright Klingklang (R) Studio 1997 Klingklang and Kraftwerk are (registered) trade- and servicemarks of Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider. Copying of this file to other servers than www.kraftwerk.com is strictly forbidden. Please inform copyright@kraftwerk.com if you found this file on another server. FILE IDENTITY Created or modified by Andreas Kuckartz Compusic - --------End of Comment >p.s. >Hiroshi-san, I live near your house. I live in Tachikawa-city! >And I change at JR/Seibu Kokubunji station, everyday!! Tachikawa? It's so close! 8-) We can already find "NME" 31/May issue (which is already mentioned in this mailing list) at our local stores such as Tower Records/Shibuya. The foto of "Die Mensch Maschine" is a MUST. The four robots look great with cyclist shirts. ;-) Best, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: (kw) KraftWELT Hi. I know that this subject was e-talked about before, but I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention -- anybody heard the Kraftwelt CD, the one that's dedicated to R & F? What's the verdict? Is it any good? - -- Tom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:28:36 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) My Early years site > Talking about rip-offs, your own page only consist of copywrite > protected material, Wrong. The main content of my pages is bibliographic data, which isn't copyright-protected at all. Also, AFAIK it is legal here in Germany to reproduce single articles from newspapers and magazines for personal use, if these papers are out of print for at least two years. > Kraftwerk sites on the web breaks every copywrite rule ever invented. Even if this was true, it would be no excuse for further copyright violations. Anyway, my criticism was not so much levelled against possible copyright violations, my maint point was that your pages are more or less directly copied from Bussy's book, while they give the misleading impression that the content is your own work. Also, I've got the impression that you have uncritically trusted Bussy's facts. > Instead of picking on other people you should continue your good research > work on Kraftwerk. Thanks for the compliment, but isn't it also an element of research work to comment on the originality and accuracy of other people's information? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:46:54 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KraftWELT > What's the verdict? Is it any good? > -- Tom Pure shit. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 20:22:54 -0700 From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) Can I get a translation (fr) to (en) This was found on today's Virgin Megastore from France at http://www.virgin.fr/ Could I get a translation in English please?=20 Thanks. Larry R. LaCost Jr. Gros =E9v=E8nement sur le Virgin Megaweb : notre nouvelle rubrique Totale Nu= de Techno, plus de 50 pages d=E9di=E9es =E0 la techno et son histoire...=20 ?Kesako? : de l'ambient =E0 la trance, les genres issus de latechno et leurs albums cl=E9s. Une Techno-Story pour ceux qui connaissent la techno et ceux qui n'y ont jamais rien compris. Avec les figures (Kraftwerk, Derrick May, Andrew Weatherall, Laurent Garnier, etc), les rep=E8res (la house, la new wave, la rave, le DJ, la musique =E9lectronique, le disco, le krautrock, etc), les lieux (Detroit, Ibiza, New-York, Chicago, Berlin, Benelux, etc), les outils (Moog, Sampler, platines, TB303, etc) avec un guide pour jouer de la techno, et puis un Diko, une vitrine de livres r=E9f=E9rence et de 37 CDs qui font l'histoire de la techno, etc. Vous d=E9couvrirez =E9galement le catalogue e= n ligne actualis=E9 de l'expo itin=E9rante Global Tekno.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Jun 97 13:43:33 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Re: strange sounds and intro tapes Mats Kadmark was saying: >>I had the impression that "The 9th" was something added by the cd's >>producers >>and not part of the KW set, they certainly didn't use it when I saw >>them on the >>Computerworld tour, and it doesn't feature on any other '81 bootlegs >>I've >>heared. No doubt someone on the list can come up with a definitive >>answer! > >This Water/Wendy Carlos (anyone know the difference?) Yes. Wendy Carlos began living as a woman in 1970, and finally got what she views as corrective surgery to cement her position as a female. She wants to be known and remembered as a woman, so most of us who respect her recognise that and refer to her as "Wendy". Often people with weak senses of humour find it funny. > intro is at least >mixed into "Numbers", I doubt the bootleggers would do that, but it is >of course difficult to tell... Quite a lot of people have used her stuff to open concerts. Genesis, I believe, used to use "Switched On Bach" all the time, and David Bowie was fond of also using Wendy's electronic Ninth to open concerts as well. The Clockwork Orange LP as published by CBS (not the CD available from Warner Bros) contains the original music. It is difficult to entirely understand, until you hear her work, the scale of the influence she had on electronic music in general. I'm sure Kraftwerk listened to all her stuff at one stage. - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. -- Douglas Adams # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:06:29 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk URLs Thanks to "ROBOT" for the Kraftwerk WWW URLs. Here's one she missed: http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/ - home to the Kraftwerk FAQ. It also has a long list of Kraftwerk links, to which I've added a few of those ROBOT mentioned (hope that's OK?!). More links to follow! Regards Kevin PS Sorry, my WWW pages look really long in the tooth these days. But I hope the content is of use! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 97 21:52:04 UT From: "Laurent Reymond" Subject: (kw) More TG Pictures I have completed my pages with more pictures of the TG concert. http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/9199/index.htmLaurent. Reymond_Laurent@msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Jun 97 19:20:13 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) distrustful... =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQGlFRCEhNzAbKEI= was saying: >On 1 Jun 1997 Hiroshi-san wrote: > >Some GIF files in www.kraftwerk.com has copyright info > >as follows. >Sorry, I can't believe there is a official homepage of KRAFTWERK. >I think that "www.kraftwerk.com" is a only privete homepage. >If I remember right, this address is in Dortmund Germany.(Not Dusseldorf!) It does not necessarily have to be hosted in Dusseldorf for it to be Kraftwerk's, but remember that about a year ago Ralf and Florian successfully sued another company for the right to use the www.kraftwerk.com domain name, and it's also registered on the InterNIC as belonging to them and being copyrighted by them. The HTML source even contains examples of Andreas Kuckartz' weird sense of humour ;) >...And, such a taciturn group gives us some infomation? If you look at the page, you'll find they're not giving any information at all ;) Other than the Tribal Gathering showing. >Please, make me believe!!! Go have a look yourself, and believe! ;) >#---Sorry,I don't write English well. Did you understand?? Your English is great! Much better than my Japanese ;-) - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ "Musak is the shit you hear in elevators and supermarkets". -- Jean Michel Jarre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:47:04 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) More TG Pictures >I have completed my pages with more pictures of the TG concert. >http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/9199/index.htmLaurent. >Reymond_Laurent@msn.com On behalf of we Kraftwerk fans who could not be present at the Tribal Gathering (or still hear any audio of it for that matter!), I'd just like to say thank you for putting the wonderful picture archive of KW at the TG up on the Net for us to see. Much appreciated. - -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:37:44 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) TG news? ok, stupid question but... I was cut out from the net by a series of unhappy circumstances I'm not boring you with, more or less from mid march until now. as for now, I can only use email. I can use www but for only 30'/day, and with my pc/modem/os is not a lot. so, WHAT HAPPENED AT THE TG? new pieces, any? other dates? t-shirt, something new low quality boot-merchandising we could fork out tons of money to buy? I have just resubscribed to the list and the digest version, but did not find anything about that, which leave me with bad hope, otherwise everybody would be talking about it. but I have only received 5 mex until now. glad to be again in the list, I salute everyone and Talbert and Zaepke in particular: Klaus, I am going to send you this magazine right now... - ----------------------------- personal home page http://users.iol.it/lbo reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:30:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Skylink3@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) More TG Pictures yes, thanks raymon for the pictures # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:39:00 +0900 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQGlFRCEhNzAbKEI=?= Subject: (kw) Thank You!! Hello, all! Julian-san, Hiroshi-san, and Brendan-san Thank you very much, for your infomation!! ...But, unfortunately I can access any homepage now...*sigh* (I have to buy a new MACINTOSH as soon as possible!) On 10 Jun 1997 Hiroshi-san wrote: >We can already find "NME" 31/May issue (which is already >mentioned in this mailing list) at our local stores such >as Tower Records/Shibuya. >The foto of "Die Mensch Maschine" is a MUST. >The four robots look great with cyclist shirts. ;-) I got "NME", "Melody Maker", and "FUTURE MUSIC"!! When I saw the picture on "NME", I thought that Florian became a Buddhist, or Herr Conrad Schnitzler joined KRAFTWERK... ;) Bye, KAORU #---Sorry,I don't write English well. Did you understand?? *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:13:53 +0200 (MEST) From: alpezi@zilli.priv.at Subject: Re: (kw) TG intro Hi! > >BTW: I remember, that there was a second concert in 93, but i do not > >exactly remember where (was ist Strasbourg???)........ > > Hah, there were even more in '93. One in Groningen, one in Ghent, one in > Osnabruck (not sure) and i'm sure there were a few others as well. They > kicked off in Gronigen actually, but Ghent was a whole lot better (and > louder as well). Strange! I saw some guys with "Tour-Shirts" but there were only those dates from *unknown* and Linz listed on the back of the shirts... The Concert in Linz was at least exactly the same like in Vienna 91, the only difference was Florian showing his Powerglove for about 5 Seconds.... But this is Kraftwerk! BTW: Klaus, any new rumors about the KW-Gig in Karlsruhe this year???? Greetings zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:03:44 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk URLs & Other StuFF.... > from: Kevin Busby > Thanks to "ROBOT" for the Kraftwerk WWW URLs. Here's one she missed: > http://web.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/kraftwerk/ - home to the Kraftwerk FAQ. It > also has a long list of Kraftwerk links, to which I've added a few of > those ROBOT mentioned (hope that's OK?!). More links to follow! > Regards > Kevin > PS Sorry, my WWW pages look really long in the tooth these days. But I > hope the content is of use! - -(ROBOT jumps for joy!)- Oh, YESS! It IS, it IS! Very useful content, indeed! GOOD StuFF! EXcellent WERK! Thank you, Kevin! I thought I already HAD your page on my List- OOOPS!! Shame on me- How could I miss it? VERY useful info- I also forgot to mention the KW WebRing, where Fans can be Inter-KonneKted! Most of my Links and yours are already on the INFOBAHR, and I didn't want my List to be too "redundant", but, I definitely meant to include yours! Gosh, if I could include EVERY KW Link on the entire InterNet, my List would take up quite a few pages! I'm probably missing a BUNCH of 'em. I just finished re-WERKing the List, so, I can easily add your Link and re-post it a bit later. -(Sorry, I'm having "wrap" problems with my text. The more I edit, the worse it gets!)- !!*YOWZA*!! Reymond Laurent put up the rest of his TG Fotos!*wOwOwOw*! I'm in ROBOT heaven!*sigh*! NOTE: when I clicked on the Link in Reymond's post just now, -(with the name "laurent" after the "htm")-, it wouldn't come up. But, when I clicked on the regular Link, BINGO, no problem. I simply clicked onto the KW pictures from the Index page. -(*argh* These brand new glasses I just picked up yesterday are KILLING me! But, it's nice to have such Purr-rr-ty Pictures to STARE at while I get used to my new eyes.)- Hm-m, 'good thing we have extra ink cartridges for the Printer! KRAFTWERK @ TG, *LIVE*!! KooL YELLO pics, too! Nice Family pages, etc- Also EXcellent WERK, Reymond! - -(Now if only I knew how to set up MY page....)- SERIOUS NOTE: Additions & Corrections for my KW Links List are greatly appreciated, but, no more Flames, PLEASE!! -(Warum so BOSE, Herr Zaepke? You don't have to attack people and be so hurtful to make a point, okay? We all agree that proper credit should be given, etc.)- Let's all WERK toGETHer, not "compete" with one another. Oh- Snail Address: -(Several people asked. I'm also in the INFOBAHR Address Book.)- ROBOT aka: Melanie Jean Mayfield 805 "M" Street Eureka, CA 95501-1947 USA To Anders Wilhelm: The INFOBAHR is GREAT!! Keep it UP! The only suggestions I can think of are: Can you add a note to the "Mail List Material" page about the newer Archives, while keeping the older Archives safe on your WebSite? It's fun & educational to read through all the BackChat! Oh, and if it's no trouble, could you update your Address Book? -(My old Email is still listed- and I'm sure other people have moved on as well.)- I know you are very busy, and we're all anxious to hear all about your KW interview- Lucky YOU! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:43:27 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Karlsruhe gig rumours > BTW: Klaus, any new rumors about the KW-Gig in Karlsruhe this > year???? Only that an official announcement is expected for early July, so we'll know for sure in a few weeks. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:06:41 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New merchandise > so, WHAT HAPPENED AT THE TG? > new pieces, any? Extensive info can be found in the digests v03.n073 - v03.n079. > t-shirt, The same as in 1993, minus the white "Robot"-T-shirt, plus a new grey shirt with green writing "www.kraftwerk.com". > something new low quality boot-merchandising I don't think so. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:41:51 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk URLs & Other StuFF.... > You don't have to attack people and be so hurtful to make a point, okay? I stay with my wording. If somebody uses other people's phrases more or less unchanged without marking them as quotes, it is plagiarism. If he does it page after page, I think that it is justified to describe this as ruthless. > Let's all WERK toGETHer, not "compete" with one another. "Compete"? Strange idea... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:17:46 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) distrustful... Message text written by Brendan Heading >"Musak is the shit you hear in elevators and supermarkets". -- Jean Michel Jarre< and on your records ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 09:14:19 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Kraftwerk URLs & Other StuFF.... Yep, it's definately brewing up! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk URLs & Other StuFF.... From: Klaus Zaepke at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 11/6/97 8:41 > You don't have to attack people and be so hurtful to make a point, okay? I stay with my wording. If somebody uses other people's phrases more or less unchanged without marking them as quotes, it is plagiarism. If he does it page after page, I think that it is justified to describe this as ruthless. > Let's all WERK toGETHer, not "compete" with one another. "Compete"? Strange idea... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 09:47:28 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) distrustful... I second that emotion! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: (kw) distrustful... From: Julian Seifert at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 11/6/97 9:15 Message text written by Brendan Heading >"Musak is the shit you hear in elevators and supermarkets". -- Jean Michel Jarre< and on your records ;-) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:09:00 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) distrustful... >>"Musak is the shit you hear in elevators and supermarkets". >> -- Jean Michel Jarre >and on your records ;-) Yeah, he should know what muzak is! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:10:08 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk URLs & Other StuFF.... > Let's all WERK toGETHer, not "compete" with one another. Come on, it's more fun to compete! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 07:57:00 -0400 From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Synclavier All, I have four questions about this thing called the Synclavier: (1) What is it (2) Who makes it (New England Digital?) (3) Does Kraftwerk use one/it? (4) Where do I get one? Bruce ---- New theme night at Paramount Canada's Wonderland: "Family Fun Freaky Fornication Fridays!" bml@bgi.on.ca www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/2760 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:42:57 -0700 From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) Techno Pop and Sex Object demo versions... can be heard at: http://www.neox.demon.co.uk/kw/tp.ra (Techno Pop) and http://www.neox.demon.co.uk/kw/so.ra (Sex Object). also there is a short feature on Kraftwerk from BBC TV's Tomorrows World originally braodcast in 1975. This can be heard at: http://www.neox.demon.co.uk/kw/tw.ra Jon Alsbury # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:07:20 +0100 From: Glen Subject: (kw) The End Of Violence Apologies if this is old news but, from this week's College Nusic Journal (CMJ) on the subject of the forthcoming Wim Wender's movie, "The End Of Violence" : "...The soundtrack is also slated to include an unreleased Kraftwerk track....." - -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:29:00 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk URLs & Other StuFF.... Message text written by "Klaus Zaepke" >If somebody uses other people's phrases more = or less unchanged without marking them as quotes, it is plagiarism. < Who cares? Look, some people may not have got Bussy's book, or access to loads of articles on kw, thus the internet is a valuable source of info. Should we care about plagiarism, as long as the originator gets a mention= ? It seems that your main point is really about punctuation, not originalit= y. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:37:25 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Plagiarism > >If somebody uses other people's phrases more > >or less unchanged without marking them as quotes, it is plagiarism. > > Who cares? Most authors and publishers and also a lot of readers certainly do. > Look, some people may not have got Bussy's book, or access to loads of > articles on kw, thus the internet is a valuable source of info. This is an important point: Yes indeed, it can be a *valuable* source of info. > Should we care about plagiarism, Always! > as long as the originator gets a mention? Well, if the originator gets a proper mention and if only excerpts of his work are used, it is debatable whether the use of these excerpts is still plagiarism. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:34:01 +0200 From: Peter Subject: Re: (kw) My Early years site >Wrong. The main content of my pages is bibliographic data, which >isn't copyright-protected at all. Also, AFAIK it is legal here in Germany >to reproduce single articles from newspapers and magazines for personal >use, if these papers are out of print for at least two years. I guess then that your MOJO article from april 97 is older than two years... >> Kraftwerk sites on the web breaks every copywrite rule ever invented. >Even if this was true, it would be no excuse for further copyright >violations. >Anyway, my criticism was not so much levelled against possible copyright >violations, my maint point was that your pages are more or less directly >copied from Bussy's book, while they give the misleading impression that >the content is your own work. Also, I've got the impression that you have >uncritically trusted Bussy's facts. > Klaus Zaepke I'm getting a bit tired of people claiming that they have the "true story" about Kraftwerk. I could have become one of those guys with an attitude problem if I had rewritten Bussy's texts and mixed it with some rumours. Still today I haven't recived a shred of evidence concerning Bussy's book. Only a bunch sometimes unfriendly people claiming that Bussy's-book-is-crap-I-have-the-truth but they never present any material that could back their version. I'm not in the mood of replacing one rumour with another. So exactly what is it that's wrong with Bussy's work concerning the early years? I'm sure that I'm not the only one interested in hearing what you claim is wrong. Peter http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:48:54 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The Bussy book > I guess then that your MOJO article from april 97 is older than two > years... You're right that this could be one of the articles on my site where the copyright is (ahem!) debatable. ;-) > I could have become one of those guys with an > attitude problem if I had rewritten Bussy's texts and mixed it with some > rumours. But you could have rewritten it and mixed it with some facts, instead. ;-) > Only a bunch sometimes unfriendly people claiming that > Bussy's-book-is-crap Most of the people I know (including myself) think that Bussy's book is very good. However, it obviously contains many mistakes and inaccuracies. > I-have-the-truth but they never present any material that could back their > version. Such material is available in libraries. You can find many references to it in my "Online Library". > So exactly what is it that's wrong with Bussy's work concerning the > early years? I'm sure that I'm not the only one interested in hearing > what you claim is wrong. Only fair! I regret that I don't have Bussy's book at hand at the moment, so I will only comment on some of the vague or inaccurate things I've noticed on your site. I hope that the following is not too boring for the rest of the list. ;-) 1. > They are both classically trained musicians This appears to be only true for Florian Schneider. 2. > and they went on to study at the Duesseldorf Conservatory. Ralf Huetter studied architecture. Florian Schneider studied music, but in Cologne, at least for a while. 3. > I thought earlier that the self titled album KRAFTWERK was their > first album and it was recorded in the autumn of the same year. Now > appearing as a duo In fact they were a trio (Huetter, Schneider, Dinger) plus guest musicians. 3. > 1971 > With a successful album, KRAFTWERK, the > band's confidence had grown and they played > more live concerts in Germany than before. According to various interviews with Ralf Huetter, they played lots of concerts in 1969/1970, while an interview with Michael Rother suggests that they played only a few concerts in 1971, due to conflicts between Klaus Dinger and Florian Schneider. 4. > They had taken the decision very early on not to > involve themselves in normal rock tours They definitely did a "normal" rock tour in 1971, possibly also in 1970, depending on how you define "normal". 5. > Kraftwerk hadn't decided how to present their music live to a bigger > audience. In fact they appeared on some huge festivals in 1970. 6. > It was at this time that Florian meet Emil Schult, There is an interview with Emil Schult where he stated that he had met them one year earlier. 7. > In the early summer of 1973, the group embarked on a German tour, > again traveling around in a Volkswagen van. I am not absolutely sure, but I doubt that this tour took place. There is no evidence for such a tour, but an article states that their concert in Hamburg, 1974, was their first appearance in Germany since 1971. So much for now. I hope it wasn't too boring! ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 20:51:43 UT From: "Laurent Reymond" Subject: (kw) TG Pictures :message For those who asked me some copies of my pictures of the concert PLEASE wait until next week because I work 15 hours a day this week and the only thing I want to do at home is sleeping. So, I will answer personnaly to the ones who gave me their email. Don't worry, my politics is not making money with it. I just want to allow anybody to get some cool pictures. (Am I nice? No, just kidding). If you want to watch my pictures:http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/9199/index.htm Laurent. Reymond_Laurent@msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:46:23 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) The Bussy book/#Kraftwerk Chat - -(Refering to:)- From: Klaus Zaepke To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Subject: (kw) The Bussy book Date: Wednesday, June 11, 1997 3:48 PM - -(Snipping TEXT to save bandwidth- all good stuff, re: inacuracies in The BOOK. ....text....text....text....)- > So much for now. I hope it wasn't too boring! ;-) > Klaus Zaepke Not "boring" at all! I've heard most of these facts before- I can't remember where- but, thank you for clarifying things. It sure beats "Flaming"! -(NOTE: See Klaus? You CAN be nice when you WANT to be! I guarantee you it gets much better results than being mean. :] You stand by your words and I stand my mine. After all, "Competition" is not MY "strange idea". I prefer "Sharing", as shown in this last exchange. Very informative! I'm glad things are all settled now. I LIKE Peter's WebSite, and I felt it deserves to be on the Links List along with The INFOBAHR and The KRAFTWERK OnLine Library and everything else. Thanks again to Kevin Busby- you're on the updated Links List, for sure! Please forgive me for accident'ly missing you the first time!)- Anyway, I have The BOOK handy, if anybody wants me to look up something in particular to check for inacuracies, etc. This is a GOOD discussion! CHAT TIME!! We just had a really FUN chat session in the #Kraftwerk Room- RobertK - -(Sweden)- and Scott Barnhill -(NY, NY)- and I -(Eureka, CA)- were all listening to The MIX at the same time- Synchronized CD players! We were Communing with the VIBES!! There were several other nice folks on this morning, too. Maybe can all meet on a regular basis, like once a week, and play CDs together while we chat! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:50:34 +0300 From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Synclavier Bruce M. Lloyd wrote: > > All, > > I have four questions about this thing called the Synclavier: > > (1) What is it It's a very expensive synthesizer/sampler from the eighties. > (2) Who makes it (New England Digital?) They went out of business years ago. > (3) Does Kraftwerk use one/it? Apparently. > (4) Where do I get one? The company I mostly work for has got an early model lying somewhere in a corner. I once tried to use it - by todays standards it's pretty useless. Upgrading it would have cost a fortune. Go and buy a Kurzweil K2500 instead! Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:00:13 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Of IRC and Infobahrs... >CHAT TIME!! >We just had a really FUN chat session in the #Kraftwerk Room- RobertK >-(Sweden)- and Scott Barnhill -(NY, NY)- and I -(Eureka, CA)- were all >listening to The MIX at the same time- Synchronized CD players! We were >Communing with the VIBES!! There were several other nice folks on this >morning, too. Maybe can all meet on a regular basis, like once a week, and >play CDs together while we chat! I just wanted to take this opportunity to say a great big 'thanks' to everyone who's been taking part in the conversations on the #Kraftwerk chat channel on Undernet since I got it started on that net. The company of our "regular" users (Jules, ROBOT, RobertK, Future, Aliendave, Trafo, Uziel, etc.) has been most appreciated and enjoyable. We continue to welcome new list members or non-list members to take part in our chat discussions at any time, with the one prerequisite being that you're a Kraftwerk fan. :) Nope, it doesn't pay to join the channel if you want to argue about how lousy you think Kraftwerk are, because you'll find yourself hovering adrift aimlessly in the void of IRC nothingness before you know what happened. True, it's a tyrannical little ship, but we like to call it ours. Just kidding of course - freedom of opinions are welcome at all times to be exchanged. But, if you do happen to speak badly of KW, don't blame me should you happen to get mysteriously booted. *whistle* ;-) hehe P.S. - Does anyone know if Anders has updated his Infobahr to be viewed by only 28.8 modems and higher baud rates? I have a 14.4 modem and have been unable to connect to his site from mein heimcomputer for quite some time now, even though I know the site is up and running ok because I viewed it last week from my friend's computer. - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir sind Schaufensterpuppen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:08:32 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) updated kw-page Hello ! ! ! =20 =20 I've just updated my KW-page with the following:=20 =20 An article from the Guardian, february 1997 (with 3 pictures), a=20 picture of Trans-Europe Express and audio files: Das Modell (German=20 orig.) and Metropolis live 81 (complete versions) + I'm the operator=20 with my pocket calculator sung in Italian from a live concert in=20 Florence 1981.=20 =20 Please make comments, suggestions etc. (privately)!!!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 http://www.student.gu.se/~maka0067=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:29:24 +0100 From: "Jerry Goodman" Subject: [none] Has anyone seen the 30 second clip of them playing the new song at Tribal on MTV news? I havn't seen it yet but I know it exists. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:54:23 +0100 From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk Subject: (kw) Calling the Staggman! "I've a mate who's looking for 'The Blade' 8 track mini CD by Front Line Assembly." I went looking for this and found that our very own MArk Stagg has contributed to some of the remixes. Mark where can my friend get hold of this recording? DAve Holton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:35:07 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) 20th Anniversary Tour Hi there everyone, It has recently come to my attention thanks to Richard Poolton that the copy of 'Return of the Mensch Maschine-20th Anniversary Tour' double live vinyl LP set I have is different from the other Mix'91 tour playlist. I have been conversing with Richard recently and offered to record this set for him. When he received the cassette he noticed that all the tracks were not remixed like those of The Mix tour, apart from a demo type version of Radioactivity. We are confused over this as the information on the back of the LP set says that it was recorded live in 1990, although it does actually seem very similar to the Robots '81 tour, this cannot be as Tour De France is included in the set. Does any other list member have this vinyl set? If so, what do you make of it? Regarding the Kraftwerk box set, my mate who works for DJ Magazine got his copy, so did the Editor who has given a brief review of the set in this months DJ Magazine. There is also a very brief write-up on the whole Tribal event with much respect given to KW. There is no way that they will sell the box sets to me, this frustrates me considerably as before KW played Tribal they were very often trying to take the piss out of me for liking Kraftwerk! It makes you wonder how many more rare KW items are currently in the hands of those who don't really appreciate what they have got, other than an item which they will try to make a killing on at a later date. Much like that company 'Espirit' who are currently advertising the box set for L250 (yes, thats two hundred and fifty Great British Pounds!!), daylight robbery if you ask me. Anyway, I thought that the box set total was supposed to be 2000, most people seem to be saying that they are limited to 250 now! Is that because the initial 250 are the promo's and the remaining 1750 will be a standard, but still limited release? The Man Machine CD re-release double pack is also supposed to be out now, not one record shop I know can verify this, what's going on? Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:51:42 MET From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) architecture & synclavier hallo Klaus ! do you know if Ralf Huetter has ever worked as a an architect ? i've read in an interview with Ralf Huetter that he wanted to finish his architecture studies and that this was one of the reasons why Ralf Huetter has left Kraftwerk for a half year. can anyone on the mailing list give nearer technical specifications about the synclavier (II) ? thank you, Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 15:38:20 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) I love you all!!! Sorry Rest of the World, but this is for our UK correspondence. Isn't it about time someone organised a little get together, so we put faces to names etc. Craig and I are meeting soon and it just seems a cool idea to widen the net. If most of us are based in the SE then we can meet in London, if we are spread all over then somewhere central like Birmingham. Is this a sad trainspotting-type suggestion or an idea of great merit, what do you think gentlemen? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 15:55:31 UT From: "Laurent Reymond" Subject: (kw) Bussy's book in french I just remind french members of this list that you can order pascal Bussy's book: "le mytere des hommes machines" by sending a cheque (105.50 FF) at: Editions le Camion Blanc BP 111 54220 MALZEVILLE Cedex The cover and the pictures inside are different than the enlish version. Laurent. Reymond_Laurent@msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:16:04 +0100 From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) TG intro statik (mdm089.drn.flnet.nl) wrote > Hah, there were even more in '93. One in Groningen, one in Ghent, one in > Osnabruck (not sure)... The one in Osnabrueck was on occasion of the Klangart '93, an yearly event I can recommend very much. They have often special attractions like performances with vintage electronics (e.g. the Thereminvox in 1995) and I once saw Mr Schneider being there as a visitor, too. Tobi. tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:08:25 +0100 From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) distrustful... On 10 June 1997 Kaoru-san wrote: > Sorry, I can't believe there is a official homepage of KRAFTWERK. > I think that "www.kraftwerk.com" is a only private homepage. This is certainly not a proof and probably somebody else has some better facts, however a nice anecdote to express the strange aura that surrounds Kraftwerk: Until the end of the last year (or maybe the beginning of this one), german Macintosh magazine MacUp was online on the server 'www.kraftwerk.com'. Yes! The publishing office is inside an old power station (= Kraftwerk) which was renewed as a center for graphic design, computer and other service offices, so this name was close at hand. I promised them that they would get in trouble with that name and in fact they had to change their server domain name to 'www.macup.com' just a few weeks before we all could find the 'ascii' robot graphic there. If it was really Kling Klang GmbH & Co KG Ltd. (TM) AG I cannot proove but the incident is more than accidentally, isn' t it?. Btw: I consider it a very interesting topic to discuss Kraftwerk's gap between the possibilities of modern technology and the old-fashioned way they insist on copyrights (or fight for a DNS!)... E.g. Peter Lamborn Wilson - -- who is involved less in the technical but rather in the social developments of our modern society -- insists on an ANTI-COPYRIGHT in his books (but although he does not have an official homepage or a computer at all, he knows more about the internet and its influences on copyrights and all that stuff than Kraftwerk -- I mean just LOOK at www.kraftwerk.com and compare it to SOME other websites). I do not want to be negative upon the group, if the yet released material is their opus kraftwerkii I satisfiedly will let them settle down on another peak of their curriculum vitae. But I hope they do not pretend that they are still the avantgarde and I do not hope they make all their money out of sueing people who offended their copyright! Tobi. tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:17:41 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) architecture > hallo Klaus ! > do you know if Ralf Huetter has ever worked as a an architect ? Not for sure, sorry, but my guess would be that he hasn't, due to his occupation with Kraftwerk. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:22:21 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re:(kw) I love you all!!! > Craig and I are meeting soon and it just seems a cool idea to >widen the net. If most of us are based in the SE then we can >meet in London, if we are spread all over then somewhere central >like Birmingham. Good idea. One thing worries me. = You know the old addage : 'never meet your pen-pal face to face, you won'= t like each other!' I'm up for it if it's in london............. Ps. is there to ba a kw convention in the uk? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:34:23 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) architecture & synclavier > can anyone on the mailing list give nearer technical specifications > about the synclavier (II) ? Technical specs of the Synclavier 9600 Tapeless Studio system (the successor of the II): Sampler: 16 bits stereo per channel, 32 channels extensible to 96; 32MB RAM ext to 96; 4 layers per channel assignable to velocity and pressure; Sampling freq from 1 to 100kHz fully adjustable; Synthesis: 16 bits additive and FM, 32 channels; 1 to 3 320MB hard disks; 1 2GB WORM CD option; 8 XLR/jack outs, ext to 16; 8 MIDI-IN, 8 MIDI-OUT, SMPTE; 200 track sequencer; Sampling editor, analysis and resynthesis editor, FM editor; Apple Mac II, 19" monitor; laser printer option; Keyboard 76 keys, velocity and pressure, 160 switches interface. (source: Yasmin Hashmi, european NED consultant, 1989 interview) - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:43:56 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Calling the Staggman! > "I've a mate who's looking for 'The Blade' 8 track mini CD by > Front Line Assembly." It is not a "mini CD." It is more of an EP, with four remixes of the title track plus 4 originals. The latter are awesome. > I went looking for this and found that our very own MArk Stagg > has contributed to some of the remixes. > > Mark where can my friend get hold of this recording? http://cdnow.com/ has it. Regards. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:48:04 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) 20th Anniversary Tour hi, my name is werner, i subscribed a few month ago but had some problems with the digest version, now i'm back again. on june, 12th, craig wrote >It makes you wonder how many more rare KW items are currently in the >hands of those who don't really appreciate what they have got, other >than an item which they will try to make a killing on at a later date. but isn't that even a chance for any collector as well?? i often bought really rare items from people who didn't know the collecotrs value of a kw-record :) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:00:32 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Single Edits. Are the six tracks on Cleopatra's 'The Model' retrospective that are credited as "single edit" tracks actually just condensed edits of the album versions that Cleopatra edited themselves, or are any of these the actual 7" or 12" single edits that appeared on the vinyl singles? It would appear that they're just Cleopatra's homegrown edits, but I just wanted to double-check. - -- Scott barnhill@easyway.net "Nous sommes les mannequins..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:35:18 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: (kw) Yamo-Time Pie hi, has anyone heard the new yamo-cd? what's your attitude? i'm really disappointed after the first time. maybe it will change but the music sounds really strange. after reading the reviews (e.g. PRINZ 6/97) i've expected much better songs. regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:04:30 +0200 From: Nexus Subject: (kw) Kw Bootleg? Hi everyone, First, please no flames if you don't want/approve of bootlegs. Thanks Now... Would you be interested if some special bootleg was available only to the members of the list? Let me explain. I have put together a 71' CD containing the following: 1- Technopop 1983 version ("restored" and extended, sounding as best as it'll possibly sound except for the original KlingKlang tape :-) 2- Computer World 12" version (from original vinyl, declicked, denoised, impressive sounding) 3- The Telephone Call - Satellite link mix (a pretty impressive mix of that awesome song. _Great_ sound.) 4- Tour De France - Live Breath Mix (Another remix, with a full, rare intro played live. Good sound.) 5 - Numbers/Computerworld (live TG 97). Fully re-equalized and denoised from the TG performance. Let me tell you the sound has nothing to do with the so-so BBC broadcast. 6 - Radioactivity (live TG 97) Idem 7 - The Robots (live TG 97) Idem 8 - Trans Europe Express (Live 1991) Taken from a fantastic performance in Zurich. Great sound, very clear. The lyrics are in _german_. 9 - Tour De France (Original version). Awesome-sounding from original, mint-condition vinyl, declicked, denoised. Not a single click on it. All these tracks have been retreated with the most recent audio softwares (as I'm sure many of you have used) to correct eventual annoying audio artifacts, and this has produced really wonderful results, and this is why I just FEEL I have to share this! :-) What I propose is this: I have one copy, on an audio CD. However, I don't have a CD-ROM burner. Maybe I could send this to someone on the list who has one, and thus he could very easily make copies for the members who are interested. Btw, it is obvious that I want to this for what brings us all here: to share the passion for KW music, and not for any kind of profit. Let me know your opinions... Thanks Nexus. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:12:14 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) My Early years site >isn't copyright-protected at all. Also, AFAIK it is legal here in Germany >to reproduce single articles from newspapers and magazines for personal >use, if these papers are out of print for at least two years. if it could be of interest, in Italy it's legal citing any text that was printed in any magazine or newspaper, if you clearly state the author and the font of the citation. some nice magazine work this way, they are just selected cut-up of what you could have found on the newsstands some days before. clearly, for pictures or special case, like novels and similars, the situation is not this, but I hope the idea is clear. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:12:12 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) uk mags hello, could some Uk fellow warn me if melody maker o NME or some other mag publish something about K, say stories about the TG performances, rumours, pics, etc.? these magazine arrive here in Italy, even if one or two week later, and I usually give them a rapid check, but until now I did not notice anything, and I think it's strange. Also, it was on Future Music that K should have had some coverage? and in which issue? I checked this out, too, but did not see anything again. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:11:14 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) New KW sample found Rampage the Last Boy Scout sampled TEE on a new song--it really sounds phat, though! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:12:07 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) distrustful... >Btw: I consider it a very interesting topic to discuss Kraftwerk's gap >between the possibilities of modern technology and the old-fashioned way >they insist on copyrights (or fight for a DNS!)... E.g. Peter Lamborn Wilson mmmh... I don't think they sued having in mind the same "copyright idea" a lot of thinkers (like the one you cite) criticize. for me it would have been like a case of omonimy, but they use the name Kraftwerk from longer time, and felt that if someone typed www.kraftwer.com [return] in a browser, their page should appear. they could have their page called www.kraftwerk.de or .org or simply http://kraftwerk.something, but the .com suffix is the one that express best the spirit of the thing, I suppose. then again, even the "other" kraftwerk sites could have switched from .com to .de or something. or the issue was, as I seem to remember, based on the fact that kraftwerk is a trademark? >-- who is involved less in the technical but rather in the social >developments of our modern society -- insists on an ANTI-COPYRIGHT in yes, he insist on that and more or less I think he is right, but he and other similar thinkers - I suppose - refer to wider contents than a single name. say another guy would come up being called exactly like myself or yourself. no problem, but please let's find a way to recognize one from another or it would be just a matter of impracticality. >hope they do not pretend that they are still the avantgarde and I do infact rumours are that between the reason for their long period of "inactivity" (or at least, the lacking of any activity we could see) there is the intention to not come out with something that is not an artistical milestone, like each one of their albums. >not hope they make all their money out of sueing people who offended their >copyright! and then again, it seems that all the negotiations about the (c) name were conducted in a relatively friendly way, without the need of a second grade judice. - ----------------------------- personal home page http://users.iol.it/lbo reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:12:11 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) architecture & synclavier At 16:51 12/06/97 MET, you wrote: >hallo Klaus ! >do you know if Ralf Huetter has ever worked as a an architect ? well, the stories tell he is involved in a furniture shop, isn't he? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:43:40 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Kw Bootleg CD/K-shirts, etc.... > From: Nexus > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Kw Bootleg? > Date: Thursday, June 12, 1997 7:04 PM > > Hi everyone, > > First, please no flames if you don't want/approve of bootlegs. Only flames of PASSION, Darling!!*sigh*!! Ofcourse, nobody likes the idea of "Pirates" making profit, especially when they don't care about the Artist and Fans that they're ripping off- but, THIS is DIFFerent. We all LOVE KW, and we are STARVING for their VIBES, and we only want to help each other out. We DON'T want to hurt KW or ourselves/each other in any way. I can't speak for anyone else, but, I hope most people on the Mail List will agree that you are being fair and honest in wanting to deal at cost only. - -and who among us wouldn't give our eye teeth for these Tunes?! -*YANK*! > I have put together a 71' CD containing the following: Duh-h, you mean 71 minutes, not the year, right? >*squint*< Oh-h, okay, I see the "Degree" mark- sorry. I'm STILL not used to my new glasses. 8] ROBOGOOGLY-EYES - -(Paraphrasing Track List)- > 1=Technopop '83 version > 2=Computer World 12" version > 3=The Telephone Call -Satellite Link Mix > 4=Tour de France -Live Breath Mix > 5=Numbers/Computer World -*LIVE* TG '97 > 6=Radioactivity -*LIVE* TG '97 > 7=The ROBOTS -*LIVE* TG '97 > 8=Trans-Europa Express -*LIVE* Zurich '91 > 9=Tour de France -original - -(Recorded with care!)- *WOW* NICE Track List!! iWANnit-iWANnit-iWAAANNNniT! 'Gotta have it! NOW!! Don't make me *SPAZ-DROOL* on you! I'm FREAKin' already! > All these tracks have been retreated with the most recent audio > softwares.... I just FEEL I have to share this! :-) A-MEN, Brother! Bring it ON! yes-Yes-YESS! > I have one copy, on an audio CD. However, I don't have a CD-ROM burner. > Maybe I could send this to someone on the list who has one, and thus he > could very easily make copies for the members who are interested. > Btw, it is obvious that I want to do this for what brings us all here: to > share the passion for KW music, and not for any kind of profit. > > Let me know your opinions... > > Thanks > > Nexus. IMHO: You are an Angel of Mercy! Somebody out there has access to a CD-ROM burner, I'm sure. I'll even settle for a cheapo cassette copy if all else fails. -(I know, it would be Sacrilege to spoil such CLEAN sound and all the effort you put into it! But, I'll take what I can get.)- Wanna swap for a K-shirt?? - -(Going off on a tangent....)- Speaking of which- there is no WAY I can come up with $15-$25 for a silk-screen set-up fee and a minimum order of a dozen shirts at around $13 apiece. Ideally, I'd like to build my own silk-screen press so I can keep the design BIG- which would likewise cost Big Buck$.... I'm screwed. Only 4 or 5 people have expressed interest in my K-shirt design, in trade for tapes/CDs. I will honor these agreements as soon as I can find a few plain black T-shirts with NO pockets, -(for a reasonable price)- and hand-draw each design with silver fabric paint. Please be patient. Each K-shirt takes atleast 5-8 hours to draw, 24 hours to dry, and then I gotta iron them to "set", etc. -(Don't let my quick sketch that my husband scanned fool you. When I do the shirts, I use a straightedge for the lettering and SYNTH, and R&F's faces/heads are Life-Sized.)- I wear mine all the time, and it's a GREAT feeling when people recognize KRAFTWERK. Or, the design catches their eye and they ask about 'em, and they usually recall: "Oh, yeah- Autobahn!", etc. Just think, if we put out images of KW and keep requesting and playing their tunes so others can see/hear them, they'll get the recognition they so richly deserve! Like, back when I was doing ROBOTiK "Mime" in the late '70's/early '80's, people saw me in "uniform" and grooved with The ROBOTS on my BoomBox, and a lot of folks went and bought the records. Recently, my husband and I went with a friend of his to help him buy a Stereo, and I brought along a few KW CDs for "Test" MusiK. It WERKed! Our friend LIKED the tunes and ordered MM & TEE for himself! The Stereo salesmen were impressed, too, because of the PURE Clean SOUND and AWEsome Channel-Switching! EXcellent TEST MusiK! There are many fun & practical ways to get KW noticed. It's FUN to "convert" these Earthlings! The point is, we're all in it together- so, let's glom onto Nexus' CDs, wear our K-shirts, and help spread the VIBES throughout the Universe! What the heck, take a ROBOT to Lunch! A little enthusiasm goes a long way. Just floating down the street listening to your walkman with a glazy-eyed blissful grin on your face will make people curious what the hell you're listening to! "No, Officer, I'm not on drugs. I'm on KRAFTWERK. Here- listen to THIS...." *HeHeHeHe* sorry.... all these TG fotos on the Net have got me a tad bit Loopy. Guten Nacht! =OHM SWEET OHM= -(how SWEET it IS!)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:47:10 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: RE: (kw) I love you all!!! Great idea Richard, Maybe we could even look at arranging a Kraftwerk evening, as I have all the necessary DJ equipment we could hire a hall somewhere and put on an electronic disco or something? What do you all think? When I was into Gary Numan as a kid, I always used to attend the various Numan disco's. I think it is time we did something similar for the likes of the list members. Best Regards, Craig. - ---------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk[SMTP:Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk] Sent: 12 June 1997 16:38 To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Subject: (kw) I love you all!!! Sorry Rest of the World, but this is for our UK correspondence. Isn't it about time someone organised a little get together, so we put faces to names etc. Craig and I are meeting soon and it just seems a cool idea to widen the net. If most of us are based in the SE then we can meet in London, if we are spread all over then somewhere central like Birmingham. Is this a sad trainspotting-type suggestion or an idea of great merit, what do you think gentlemen? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:50:04 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: RE: (kw) New KW sample found Todd Terry sampled Numbers on the track 'Don't Stop It', this was under one of Todd's pseudonym names of DMS (featuring Von Black), on US Cutting label. Regards, Craig - ---------- From: Adam Schefflan[SMTP:muziknut2@juno.com] Sent: 13 June 1997 06:11 To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Subject: (kw) New KW sample found Rampage the Last Boy Scout sampled TEE on a new song--it really sounds phat, though! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:34:19 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) new on KW mailinglist topic: new on KW mailinglist name: johan Andersson age: 30 occupation: technical editor of swedish magazine yamihere?: always been interested in what they=B4re up to, ever since i beccame devoted to KW in the year of 1978,=20 I=B4ve always wondered if ANYBODY knows when their next=20 album will arrive and things like that. thank you for letting me join this list/johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 06:34:29 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo-Time Pie Hi! In einer eMail vom 13.06.97 02:07:06 MEZ, schreibt donaldwk@t-online.de (donald): << has anyone heard the new yamo-cd? what's your attitude? i'm really disappointed after the first time. maybe it will change but the music sounds really strange. >> Yes, I heard it, I own it. I like the CD very much, because the sounds Wolfgang & Co. used, are very great. They (Yamo) are also very funny, I think. But it's not Kraftwerk (but YAMO isn't a machine-like name at all) !!! So Yamo aren't Kraftwerkish, but sound (on some tracks) more like Y.M.O. Okay, the voice of Wolfgang is strange (I didn't like it as I heard the cd the first time, but now it's okay). I hope, somebody here has the same opinion. I like them very much! Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:14:31 +0100 From: Gary Cameron Subject: (kw) Synclavier >can anyone on the mailing list give nearer technical specifications >about the synclavier (II) ? > >thank you, >Claudio Uhh, let's see now: Up to 96 voices, FM Synthesis (the strings on Sex Object?), high quality sampling, resynthesis, sequencing, direct-to-disk audio recording, excellent quality 88-note keyboard and lotsa flashing lights. Early systems had a VT-100 terminal for the user interface, but later ones had a Mac II (Kraftwerk's system at the '91 concerts had a Mac with a large screen and a trackball built into the KlingKlang wall).Top range 1980s workstation type system. Outrageously expensive, and hence generally owned by ultra rich types (George Michael and Michael Jackson both own high spec systems). NED (the Synclavier manufacturer) is no more, but I think there's a company somewhere which is still doing upgrades and repairs. Hope this helps. g. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:55:14 -0400 From: Ralph Milam Subject: (kw) Bootleg I am also on the Gary Numan mailing list and have made the same proposal over there. I have a CD-R which burns the CD's up to 4X. If you can't find anyone closer to you to do this I would be happy to. I have archived all my original Numan CD's and play the copies I have made. They sound great! It is so hard to find replacements, if at all. Let me know what you think. I live in the Atlanta area. Ralph Milam At 04:04 AM 6/13/97 +0200, you wrote: >I have one copy, on an audio CD. >However, I don't have a CD-ROM burner. Maybe I could send this to someone >on the list who has one, and thus he could very easily make copies for the >members who are interested. > >Thanks! > >Nexus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:12:04 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 Hello Ralph Milam, could you possibly give me the adress to the gary numan mailing list? I am the proud owner, not only of KW, but also of almost all of the big G:s vinyls/cd:s. /Johnn Ason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:19:28 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Show you hand, Numan Fans!!! Right, It's obvious there's a link between KW fans and Numan fans, so come on th= en people, who was also influenced by Numan on this list?? I know for definate that myself, Craig, Richard Poolton and Ralf Milam were.......... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:32:02 -0500 (CDT) From: klee@huitzilo.tezcat.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kw Bootleg CD/K-shirts, etc.... ROBOT wrote: > > IMHO: You are an Angel of Mercy! Somebody out there has access to a CD-ROM > burner, I'm sure. I'll even settle for a cheapo cassette copy if all else > fails. -(I know, it would be Sacrilege to spoil such CLEAN sound and > all the effort you put into it! But, I'll take what I can get.)- Wanna swap > for a K-shirt?? I have a CD-R. I'm willing to make limited copies of the CD. All I ask in return is that the list of people who are requesting be short (I burn my CDs at 1x to make sure all the tracks are burned without problems so each burn takes approximately 71 minutes plus or minus few), each person pays for his/her own blank CD and return postage. I'm in the States so I guess I can do some for the folks here. klee@tezcat.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:37:46 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: (kw) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Yamo_=2F_Aktivit=E4t?= In the latest issue of excellent Swedish musicmagazine "Pop", there is = an interview with Mouse on Mars (by equally excellent journalist = Sebastian Stebe (Yes, I know I told you all a few months ago how good = Jan Gradvall of the same mag is, but I can't help it: both of them are = *very* good music-journalists :-) )) Again Jan St.Werner (MoM & Yamo) expressed his dissapointment with the = Yamo-album. ("I'm not very pleased...all too banal...schlagerpop"). BTW: Klaus Zaepke reminded me of Ian Calders Aktivit=E4t-fanzine today. = Are there any new issues upcoming, Ian? Perhaps in reason of TG? /Conny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: kraftwerk@usa.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ conny.annica@wineasy.se Tidskriften Elefant: = http://www.users.wineasy.se/conny.annica/elefant.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 14:13:05 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 Yes I think a lot of us would like to know this. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 13/6/97 13:39 Hello Ralph Milam, could you possibly give me the adress to the gary numan mailing list? I am the proud owner, not only of KW, but also of almost all of the big G:s vinyls/cd:s. /Johnn Ason # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:22:05 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Sv: (kw) Show you hand, Numan Fans!!! Message text written by INTERNET:johan.andersson@allers.aller.se >O.K. Jules, but without Kraftwerk no numan. (You forgot to give me the adress to numans mailing list though... /Johnn< for anyone else who wants more info :- The Numanews mailing list covers anything and everything to do with Gary Numan. Mailings are despatched in a digest form on Sunday and Thursday mornings. To join the list, click the above entry and use the text subscribe numan-digest as your message. Only administrative requests shou= ld be sent to this address. The digest address is changing soon. Watch the news page for details. The list is run by Derek Langsford and Dave Datta.= = numan-request@cs.uwp.edu Also there is IRC:- http://homepages.enterprise.net/numan/cccc.htm Hope this helps....... Jules Ps. Dead right, No Kraftwerk, No Numan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:32:01 -0400 From: Ralph Milam Subject: (kw) Numan Mailing List I had been sending individual E-mails about the Numan list, but here is the info for anyone else interested. I'm just pasting in the end of one of the digests: - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply to the messages in this list, mail to: numan@cs.uwp.edu If you want to be removed, or someone wants to be added, you can mail to numan-request@cs.uwp.edu ----------------- Just send a short message or line stating you want to be added to the list and you should be set. It only comes out twice a week(Sunday's and Monday's). Better than nothing at all, but I like how I can get each message or all in one lump sum on the KW list. Hope this helps out to all who's interested and let me know if you have any problems subscribing. Ralph P.S. Maybe we can get more people over to this list also. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Jun 97 14:06:32 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Synclavier Bruce M. Lloyd was saying: >I have four questions about this thing called the Synclavier: >(1) What is it An incredibly powerful keyboard instrument. It went alongside the Fairlight as being one of the most powerful and expensive electronic music instruments yet made. It includes sampling features and some additive synthesis stuff, and these days users have upgraded it to include massive hard disks and stacks of memory so they can really use it as a mini digital recording studio. >(2) Who makes it (New England Digital?) Yes. Stopped a while back, I believe. >(3) Does Kraftwerk use one/it? Yes. >(4) Where do I get one? You can't, and if you could, they'd be prohibitively expensive - we're talking about six figures here. The only people who could afford it were the likes of producers and recording studios. There are much more useful keyboards available now - eg the Korg Trinity, or the Kurzweil K2000 (going for a song second hand) or K2500 (upgraded and even better). The Trinity has a facility to include a hard disk so that you can do 4 track hard disk recording on it. - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ "Giving money to governments is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" - -- P.J. O'Rourke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Jun 97 14:06:27 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: Re[2]: (kw) distrustful... Richard.Poolton was saying: >I second that emotion! >____________________________________________________________________________ >___ Subject: Re: (kw) distrustful... From: Julian Seifert > at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 11/6/97 9:15 >Message text written by Brendan Heading >>"Musak is the shit you hear in elevators and supermarkets". > -- Jean Michel Jarre< >and on your records ;-) Is there really need to voice this unconstructive and opinionated "criticism" on this list ? Some people have very limited senses of humour, I see. - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am -- Monty Python # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:51:23 -0600 From: MIDIJUNKY Subject: Re: (kw) Kw Bootleg? i myself think that sounds AWESOME. i love Kraftwerk and i love bootlegs. i think it would be great if you could do that for the list. [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] |<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>| |Chris "Yeah dis is Frank Rizzo..." cdperk@trib.com | |<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>| |http://members.wbs.net/homepages/c/e/n/centralindustrial.html | |<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>| |We don't use violence to find a role in this society... | |We use violence to beat this society! | | -Atari Teenage Riot | |<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:26:57 -0400 (EDT) From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) re:Numan/samples Gary Numan's official website (http://www.numan.co.uk) has a load of great stuff including copy by GN, answers to e-mail, news, etc. He's involved in an on-again, off-again movie project (KINSMEN) that sounds interesting. A sample from TEE shows up on Laibach's album KAPITAL (in 'Hymn to the Black Sun'). There's also an electronic voice that could be from a live gig... Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:52:07 +0100 From: Glen Subject: (kw) Warm Jets/Comet Melody A UK band, Warm Jets, cover "The Model" on their new single, "Never Never" (Island Records). It's nothing to write home about. I picked up a 7" single by Kraftwerk on Saturday. I wasn't aware of it's existence beforehand. Could anyone tell me anything about it? It's an English pressing in a Phonogram sleeve. Did it ever come in a picture sleeve? a) Comet Melody 2 (from "Autobahn", Published 1974) b) Kristallo (from "Ralf & Florian", Published 1973) Record label : Vertigo (Phonogram Ltd) Best, - -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:52:07 +0100 From: Glen Subject: (kw) Warm Jets/Comet Melody A UK band, Warm Jets, cover "The Model" on their new single, "Never Never" (Island Records). It's nothing to write home about. I picked up a 7" single by Kraftwerk on Saturday. I wasn't aware of it's existence beforehand. Could anyone tell me anything about it? It's an English pressing in a Phonogram sleeve. Did it ever come in a picture sleeve? a) Comet Melody 2 (from "Autobahn", Published 1974) b) Kristallo (from "Ralf & Florian", Published 1973) Record label : Vertigo (Phonogram Ltd) Best, - -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:58:00 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Re: Warm Jets/Comet Melody >I picked up a 7" single by Kraftwerk on Saturday. I wasn't aware of >it's existence beforehand. Could anyone tell me anything about it? >It's an English pressing in a Phonogram sleeve. Did it ever come in a >picture sleeve? Well, I don't know if it ever came with a picture sleeve or not, but the specs on it are as follows: Title: Kometenmelodie 2 (Comet Melody 2) Format: 7" Catalog #: Vertigo 6147 015 Origin: UK Year: 1974 Tracks: A - Comet Melody 2, B - Kristallo In addition to this single, three other 7" singles of "Kometenmelodie 2" were released in 1974, one on Philips in Germany, and the other two on Vertigo in the USA (one of these 2 Vertigo singles is backed with "Mitternacht" as the B-side and the other one simply doubles "Kometen Melodie 2" as its B-side). Other than the aforementioned, one other 7" of "Kometen Melodie 2" was relesed in the UK in 1981 on Vertigo, backed with "Vom Himmel Hoch" as its B-side. I don't have any info on whether there were picture sleeves present with any of these singles, so perhaps someone else can fill in the blanks. What I find interesting about the particular 7" that you mentioned is that it lists the track on side A in the English, "Comet Melody 2". As far as I know, all copies of the 'Autobahn' LP contain the track listing with German titles, even the UK ones. So I'm curious why a UK 7" from the same year containing a track from that album would print the title in English rather than German as it appears on the LP? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:02:36 -0500 From: David Datta Subject: Re: (kw) Numan Mailing List : It only comes out twice a week(Sunday's and Monday's). Better than nothing : at all, but I like how I can get each message or all in one lump sum on the : KW list. Actually, that's Sunday's and Thursdays. You can mail me directly to be added to the list also. I manually maintain this list. The list members were strongly against having a non-digest version last time we asked (maybe a year or so ago now). The list has a much higher signal/noise ratio as a digest only activity. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:14:09 -0400 (EDT) From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com KW's web site now includes a link to this summer's Tour De France... Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:34:37 -0600 From: Peter Liethen Subject: (kw) .au version of TG Hello, Just today I finished converting the Tribal Gathering concert Kraftwerk set that was played on BBC 1 radio to .au (Sun audio) audio files. The size of all the file put together is 22megs, and I am limited to 5 megs on my web server. Is anyone out there willing to put these file on there web server where they have more room? - -Peter Liethen - pliethen@globaldialog.com http://www.globaldialog.com/~pliethen Just Be. No, wait...take the Next step. Darn, that's not it either. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:51:34 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com/Tour de France! >KW's web site now includes a link to this summer's Tour De France... Wow, how cool!! I just visited the site and discovered the Tour de France link. I think it's wonderful that Kraftwerk are a band who utilize these technologies to promote their various interests and not just try to sell their music to the public. They've certainly always struck me as worldly individuals with worldly interests, and I think it's superb that they use their webspace this way. :) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "tour de france, tour de france..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:23:00 +0900 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQGlFRCEhNzAbKEI=?= Subject: RE.(kw) uk mags At 07:12:12, Fri, 13 Jun 1997 lbo-san wrote: >Also, it was on Future Music that K should have had some coverage? and in >which issue? I checked this out, too, but did not see anything again. "FUTURE MUSIC" Issue 57 June 1997, page 68 to page 71 Please check it!! ;) *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:13:13 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: (kw) Re: Kw Bootleg? hi, on 13th of june, nexus wrote: >Would you be interested if some special bootleg was available only to >the members of the list? Let me explain. isn't that a funny coincidence that there is on the one hand a copyright-discussion at this list, on the other hand people are talking about the edition of a bootleg-cd? BTW i'm very strong interested in this cd because i'm unable to listen to the bbc-.ra file (486/33, ISDN, real audio player 3.0 but nothing works) please let me know who's the 'burner' (even if he's from the US) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:37:42 -0600 From: MIDIJUNKY Subject: Re: (kw) Kw Bootleg CD/K-shirts, etc.... i'd be more than happy to pay for the nlamk CD and return postage. depending on how much blank CDs cost, that is a pretty low price for a bootleg. i hope we follow through with this! [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] |<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>| |Chris "Yeah dis is Frank Rizzo..." cdperk@trib.com | |<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>| |http://members.wbs.net/homepages/c/e/n/centralindustrial.html | |<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>| |We don't use violence to find a role in this society... | |We use violence to beat this society! | | -Atari Teenage Riot | |<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:17:53 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: RE.(kw) uk mags On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:23:00 +0900 =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQGlFRCEhNzAbKEI=?= writes: FUTURE MUSIC" Issue 57 June 1997, page 68 to page 71 >Please check it!! ;) > can someone send me the subscription details to this mag and/or an email addresss? thanks alot, tom w np: harris/laswell - somnific flux # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 02:37:00 +0900 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQGlFRCEhNzAbKEI=?= Subject: RE.(kw)uk mags At 07:12:12, Fri, 13 Jun 1997 lbo-san wrote: >Also, it was on Future Music that K should have had some coverage? and in >which issue? I checked this out, too, but did not see anything again. "FUTURE MUSIC" Issue 57 June 1997, page 68 to page 71 Please check it!! ;) *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:49:40 -0400 From: Philipp_Schmidt@bmge.com Subject: (kw) bootleg >Hi everyone, >Would you be interested if some special bootleg was available only to the >members of the list? Let me explain. Don't need an explanation. Want the disc. Please somebody burn them. I live in New York. Does anyone have an idea how expensive it would be to ship a disc. And how long it takes. Hint to the other subscribers from NY. Check Finyl Vinyl for Kraftwerk Records. When I went they only had "The Man Machine", but the owner said he usually has more. Also there is a guy selling records on Ave A (on the sidewalk somewhere between 3rd and 5th) and he usually has some Kraftwerk, too. I remember some people talk about a store on Broadway (and 4th ?), but I don't remember exactly. Please tell me what store that was - it sounded like it was the no1 source in New York. Philipp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:17:24 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Other Music #2 >>> I remember some people talk about a store on Broadway (and 4th ?), but I don't remember exactly. Please tell me what store that was--it sounded like it was the no. 1 source in New York. <<< It's called Other Music, it's on E. 4th St. between Lafayette and B'way, and it's DA BOMB! They got it all: krautrock, ambient, experimental, and, of course, many titles on the Fax label! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:43:37 +0200 From: Oli Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Warm Jets/Comet Melody > Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > > Well, I don't know if it ever came with a picture sleeve or not, but > the specs on it are as follows: > > Title: Kometenmelodie 2 (Comet Melody 2) > Format: 7" > Catalog #: Vertigo 6147 015 > Origin: UK > Year: 1974 > Tracks: A - Comet Melody 2, B - Kristallo > > In addition to this single, three other 7" singles of > "Kometenmelodie 2" were released in 1974, one on Philips in Germany, and the > other two on Vertigo in the USA (one of these 2 Vertigo singles is backed > with "Mitternacht" as the B-side and the other one simply doubles "Kometen > Melodie 2" as its B-side). Other than the aforementioned, one other 7" of > "Kometen Melodie 2" was relesed in the UK in 1981 on Vertigo, backed with > "Vom Himmel Hoch" as its B-side. I don't have any info on whether there > were picture sleeves present with any of these singles, so perhaps someone > else can fill in the blanks. The german Philips 7" has got a pic-sleeve! with a drawn comet on its front and 'KOMETEN MELODIE 2' written in capitals. On the Backside there is an discography with cover-pics from KW 1 & 2, Ralf & Florian, Autobahn which is titled 'GESAMTWERK'. Bye, Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:48:58 +0200 From: Oli Subject: Re: (kw) Kw Bootleg? Nexus wrote: > Hi everyone, > Would you be interested if some special bootleg was available only to the > members of the list? Let me explain. > I have put together a 71' CD containing the following: > 1- Technopop 1983 version > 2- Computer World 12" version > 3- The Telephone Call > 4- Tour De France > 5 - Numbers/Computerworld (live TG 97) > 6 - Radioactivity (live TG 97) Idem > 7 - The Robots (live TG 97) Idem > 8 - Trans Europe Express (Live 1991) > 9 - Tour De France (Original version) > I have one copy, on an audio CD. > However, I don't have a CD-ROM burner. Maybe I could send this to someone > on the list who has one, and thus he could very easily make copies for the > members who are interested. Hi Nexus, I think this tracks are a really good choice. You only have one copy? No Problem! I own a Yamaha CDR-102 which does really! good quality audio recordings. I've made a lot of audio-samplers since I got it, and all of them sound like originals. Let me know if you would like to send me your CD so we can make this recordings available to all the members of the K-List! I think it would be nice if we design a special cover for it. What do you think?? My adress is: Nexus got it! Greetings from Germany... Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:27:52 +0200 From: Oli Subject: Re: (kw) Warm Jets/Comet Melody Glen wrote: > > I picked up a 7" single by Kraftwerk on Saturday. I wasn't aware of > it's existence beforehand. Could anyone tell me anything about it? > It's an English pressing in a Phonogram sleeve. Did it ever come in a > picture sleeve? > a) Comet Melody 2 (from "Autobahn", Published 1974) > b) Kristallo (from "Ralf & Florian", Published 1973) > Record label : Vertigo (Phonogram Ltd) My copy of this 7" (Vertigo 6147015) has this Phonogram sleeve too. I never saw it in an pic-sleeve. Regards, Oli > > Best, > -- > Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 20:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) re:Numan/samples In a message dated 97-06-13 12:41:16 EDT, cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) writes: << A sample from TEE shows up on Laibach's album KAPITAL (in 'Hymn to the Black Sun'). There's also an electronic voice that could be from a live gig... >> A BRILLIANT album!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:18:11 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Nexus' CD Cover/Erasure on Rosie O'Donnell! Hi, again! For the cover of this special CD, how'bout a *LIVE* Foto from TG? YEAH! That would be PerfeKt! A nice Stage Shot in their TRON Suits!!*WOW*!! - -(One guy put my KW New Year's drawing on a BootLeg CD....*Hee-Hee*)- Well, since everyone's talking about Gary Numan lately, I figure it's safe to mention that Erasure played 2 songs on Rosie O'Donnell today! I don't know the 1st song, -(a new one, I'm sure)-, but, the 2nd song was "Chains of Love". I was VERY inpressed to hear ALL that SOUND coming out of - -(apparently)- ONE single SYNTH! Nord Lead- the case is RED, and it looks SWEET like CANDY!*YUM-YUM*! I mentioned before that I saw Gary Numan in 1980 in San Fransisco, and they played ROBOTS and a couple of David Bowie tunes on the house system before the concert started. VERY KooL! Also, I recently met Juice Newton - -("Playin' with the Queen of Hearts")- and earlier I met Riders in the Sky - -(Cowboy Comedian Musicians Extraordinaire! "Never drink DownStream from the Herd")-, and THEY've all heard of KW and think they're KooL! Gee- I gotta write to Rosie now, if I can find the Link.... I think it's: *sigh* As if KW would agree to play on her show someday. Well, we can DREAM! Maybe they WILL bless us with a US/World tour this year. Yeah- The KW WebSite is linked to TDF now- very appropo! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:21:00 +0900 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQGlFRCEhNzAbKEI=?= Subject: (kw) RE 2:Yamo-Time Pie Hello, all! On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Carsten-san wrote: >But it's not Kraftwerk (but YAMO isn't a machine-like name at all) !!! >So Yamo aren't Kraftwerkish, but sound (on some tracks) more like Y.M.O. I think that Yamo have a little Kraftwerkish-sound. The simple rythm-line, the sound quality of electric percussion instruments, and so on... My friend said that Wolfgang gave KRAFTWERK some kind of simple and pop taste. (And I thought that Karl gave them dynamism and essence of black music...) From this CD, I could know what Wolfgang did in KRAFTWERK. >Okay, the voice of Wolfgang is strange (I didn't like it as I heard the cd >the first time, but now it's okay). His voice sounds to me as though my grandfather was reading fairy tails. I love his "fanny" and "strange" voice. It brings me a lot of imagenation. The chaming voice...sometimes it sounds so sexy to me... >I hope, somebody here has the same opinion. >I like them very much! Yes, I love them, too!! :) What is your favorite song in this CD? My faverit is "GUIDING RAY" and "SPEECH DANCER"! By the way, when was "TIME PIE" out in Europe? I didn't know this CD till March 1997. Bye, KaoRu P.S. I sent my last mail twice. Sorry everyone. #---Sorry,I don't write English well. I hope you can read it... *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:50:43 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: RE: (kw) Comet Melody I picked up a 7" single by Kraftwerk on Saturday. I wasn't aware of > it's existence beforehand. Could anyone tell me anything about it? > It's an English pressing in a Phonogram sleeve. Did it ever come in a > picture sleeve? > a) Comet Melody 2 (from "Autobahn", Published 1974) > b) Kristallo (from "Ralf & Florian", Published 1973) > Record label : Vertigo (Phonogram Ltd) My copy of this 7" (Vertigo 6147015) has this Phonogram sleeve too. I never saw it in an pic-sleeve. I have a 7" of Kometenmelodie 2 b/w Vom Himmel Hoch. Label: Vertigo. #: = Ver 3. Pressing: England. Kometenmelodie is claimed to be "taken from the album Elektrokinetik" = and Vom Himmel Hoch is claimed to be "taken from the album Exceller 8". = This is quite funny since both "Autobahn" and "Ralf And Florian" and the = double-pack "Kraftwerk" is pictured on the backside of the sleeve, among = with "Exceller 8" and "Elektrokinetik". The sleeve front shows "something" (probably a comet, but it looks more = like fireworks to me) in yellow on a blue background. The picture is = graphically blue and yellow, no nuances. At the very top of the sleeve = the text "Kraftwerk:Kometenmelodie 2" is printed in white. /Conny # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:28:25 +0900 From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo-Time Pie Dear 'Werkers, At 06:34 13/Jun/1997 EDT, DepecheCBI@aol.com wrote: >But it's not Kraftwerk (but YAMO isn't a machine-like name at all) !!! >So Yamo aren't Kraftwerkish, but sound (on some tracks) more like Y.M.O. >Okay, the voice of Wolfgang is strange (I didn't like it as I heard the cd >the first time, but now it's okay). I only listened to CD Maxi 'Stereomatic', which sounds REALLY similar to some tracks from Mouse on Mars. I'm not sure if they sound similar to Kraftwerk or not, but I like them as well as I like MoM. I feel their sound pay respect to good old German progressive & synth music such as Tangerine Dream, Christopher Franke and so on. If they sounds like YMO, I'd love them a lot. 8-) (I'm not sure until I listen to them) Talking about YMO, a fake band called OMY is getting popular. They'll have a concert at Shibuya, Tokyo next weekend. A number of friends of mine, as well as myself, will be there. :-) Auf wiedersehen, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:44:10 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: (kw) Laibach on KW (was re:Numan/samples) >A sample from TEE shows up on Laibach's album KAPITAL (in 'Hymn to the >Black Sun'). There's also an electronic voice that could be from a live >gig... > >Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) > I saw an interview with Laibach a couple of years ago on dutch tv (no vcr at hand that time), and they all stated that their major influence were Kraftwerk. They also found that "Die Mensch Machine" and "Trans Europe Express" were the best thing to come out of Germany. In case you'd like to know. Laterz, Johan. - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:51:58 -0500 From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) nexus/burner/bootleg I also have a burner available, and can start copying a first gen copy, so we can get them out twice as fast. For those that don't know, an average blank rom is $10 or less. Postage is by weight, so take an cd and weight it, the cost of the mailer/envelope may add a little. You figure $15 at max would cover most us to us cost. International postage, well thats different. I'd like to be a US bootleg burner if need be! Tiger Moses also tigster@geocities.com homepage www.blkbox.com/~tmoses/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:58:26 -0500 From: Tiger Moses Subject: Re: (kw) Show you hand, Numan Fans!!! At 09:19 AM 6/13/97 -0400, you wrote: >Right, > >It's obvious there's a link between KW fans and Numan fans, so come on then >people, who was also influenced by Numan on this list?? I had all the early gary numan stuff! I found him before kraftwerk though Tiger Moses also tigster@geocities.com homepage www.blkbox.com/~tmoses/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:55:32 -0500 From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) another bootleg I got an idea. I have multiple computer setup and could take all the WAV files, mod files, sm3 files, ra files and make a purely "KOMPUTER" CD Audio. I guess that would be a worthy effort! Again not for profit, all $$ for cost. Tiger Moses also tigster@geocities.com homepage www.blkbox.com/~tmoses/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:56:49 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Colatina Radio Som Ltda? Hi, Folks! Can anybody help me get in contact with Eduardo Monteiro at Colatina Radio Som Ltda in Brazil? I got a very nice letter from him this morning, and I've been trying ALL DAY to reply to his Email, but, my messages keep getting "bounced". He says he is a KW FanatiK! YEAH! So, Eduardo, if you are on this Mail List, PLEASE send me your correct Email Address- I hit "reply to:", I tried typing it in, I tried UUencoded, and I tried MIME. HELP!! Does anybody know this Gentleman and/or the Radio Station? I love to "chat" with Fellow Fans, and I really want to respond to him! -(He didn't say how he got my address.)- It's SO wonderful to be in contact with Fellow KW Fans all over the World! Thank You, all! This is the Address I see on the header: Eduardo Monteiro, Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:01:01 -0700 From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) Colatina Radio Som Ltda? ROBOT wrote: > Hi, Folks! > Can anybody help me get in contact with Eduardo Monteiro at Colatina > Radio Som Ltda in Brazil? > This is the Address I see on the header: > Eduardo Monteiro, Colatina Radio Som Ltda <97fm@colatina.com.br> Ok, let's use some plain "web" logics on this one... ;-) First, by just typing http://www.colatina.com.br I get to a page that seems to belong to an ISP. No need to understand the Portuguese language here: right at the bottom of the page there's a link that says "Radio 97 FM". I click over it and it takes me to: http://200.241.2.3/radio97/index.htm I just scroll down a little bit and there it is: the mailbox icon with the mailto:97fm@interlink.com.br address. How about that? :-) |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:39:21 -0500 (CDT) From: klee@huitzilo.tezcat.com Subject: Re: (kw) nexus/burner/bootleg > > I also have a burner available, and can start copying a first gen copy, so > we can get them out twice as fast. > > For those that don't know, an average blank rom is $10 or less. Postage is > by weight, so take an cd and weight it, the cost of the mailer/envelope may > add a little. You figure $15 at max would cover most us to us cost. > International postage, well thats different. > I think it's a great idea. Tiger and I can be the U.S. burners - this will allow multiple pressing at a very fast turnaround time. I also think it's a great idea to get some sort of a "multimedia" CD-ROM with available WAVs, etc.ANd if anyone has videos and a video capture board, we could also press AVIs and/or MOVs. Let me know if this sounds okay with everyone. And if Nexus is reading, he can contact us via email to work out the details. klee@tezcat.com http://www.tezcat.com/~klee YMO Page: http://www.tezcat.com/~klee/ymo.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 06:05:04 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) june 21 ROME! a rumour? pt. 1... well, I just have not the words: here I am with flyer in my hands that says that Kraftwerk will play in Rome (where I live) for an event spanning from june 21 to june 22! they will not play for two days, of course, but on june 21 is usual for the city Council to organize a sort of music festival with all sort of event throughout (sp.?) the city, from classical to research to folk to pop. the flyer is 4-colour, on heavy glossy paper, so they spent a lot for printing them, ant it sport the city council logo. maybe the city council is giving only a sort of logistical political patronage to it all. another matter of interest, for those who know the italian music scene, is that the singer Renato Zero seem to be involved with the story. he is a very peculiar personage, very tied to his roman audience, too long to describe, anyway I used to like him a lot when I was a child and held a positive memory of him. Lately he come out with a very nice idea, that basically is a sort of infrastructure for shows to buld in Rome, a city that lack of such facilities. anyway, I copy/translate the most relevant parts of the flyer: Street Festival 97 sabato 21 giugno - Palaeur - from 18.00 to 06.00 in the morning Official dance party sunday 22 june Via dei Fori Imperiali - from 15.30 parade of musical carriages and final maxiconcert [turn] [...] Featuring Underworld, Sven Vath, Todd Terry, Jeff Mills, Carl Cox, Supernova, Victor Simonelli, CJ Mackintosh, Frankie Foncett, Kenny Larkin, Chemical Brothers, Alex Tron, the Metalheadz, Data, Claudio Coccoluto, Marshal Jefferson, Typical, Grooverider, LTJ Bukem, Jumpin Jack Frost, SquarePusher, Ralf, *****Kraftwerk***** (*s are mine), Alex Natale, the Heartists, Whirlpool production, Joe t. Vannelli, Stefano Geppi, Joey Beltram, Danilove, Speedy J, Sandro di Martino and more... special presence: Fonopoli with Renato Zero (well, you don't know Zero, but having him involved with a Kraftwerk event is something I'll never could have imagined!) for more info call (06) 8551225 you don't have to charge your bill: I'm going to call as soon as possible and report everything here. right now nobody is answering, but it's 05.30 AM... I don't know anyone of the other artists, apart Vath, Underworld, Chem Bros. Maybe a lot of them will be djs. if you know them let me know, privately if you feel is a matter not pertinent to the list. if it's true, I'm really really sorry I can not provide accomodation for those willing to travel to here: from 1st of july probably I'll have a flat for myself, but now I'm guest in my father's house. anyway I'll be glad to help if I can, please just consider that now I'm working full time, that means more or less 18 hour per day 7 days per week... if you're interested, a single room here will cost from 40-50.000 lire to a lot up, about 40-50 DM or 20 pounds or 35 US dollars, but now the high season is started and it's not easy to find places. last but not least it seem that the event is to be free... just a final consideration: it is likely that between a lot of small and big acts they have thrown in some big names even if they are not sure these big names will come. they could always say: "we were in tractatives but they quit... anyway we have a lot of other names..." we'll see and I'll keep you informed. maybe you'll find more in the www site of the city council, it should be www.comune.roma.it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:09:24 -0400 (EDT) From: NLavely@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) nexus/burner/bootleg In a message dated 97-06-14 20:07:01 EDT, you write: << I also have a burner available, and can start copying a first gen copy, so we can get them out twice as fast. For those that don't know, an average blank rom is $10 or less. Postage is by weight, so take an cd and weight it, the cost of the mailer/envelope may add a little. You figure $15 at max would cover most us to us cost. International postage, well thats different. I'd like to be a US bootleg burner if need be! >> you could reduce cost by having people send in CD-R's...I get my CD-R's for less than $6USD, and it would be easy to mail it...I can also volunteer to burn CD's after June 30th.... Nick PS- I'm trading KW boots, please check out my list at: http://members.aol.com/nlavely/bootlist/bootlist.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:13:15 -0400 (EDT) From: NLavely@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) nexus/burner/bootleg In a message dated 97-06-14 22:45:05 EDT, you write: << I think it's a great idea. Tiger and I can be the U.S. burners - this will allow multiple pressing at a very fast turnaround time. I also think it's a great idea to get some sort of a "multimedia" CD-ROM with available WAVs, etc.ANd if anyone has videos and a video capture board, we could also press AVIs and/or MOVs. >> That is a good idea to make AVI/MOV/MPEG out of the videos, a lot of listies prolly haven't seen any KW vids (i know i've seen only a few snippits..) If we could encode some vids MPEG, we would be able to do it with minimal loss.... nick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:07:14 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Dumb question time Just who is Gary Numan???? I'm hearing about this performer all the time now, and not just from this ML. Yet, I've never heard anything by him! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 07:26:59 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) NME and Melody Maker many thanks to all who warned me. I actually found today the may 31 issues of the abovesaid magazines where there are articles on the TG performance. MM has a funny cartoon picture of Kraftwerk, while NME has a nice photo a page large. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:11:40 +0200 From: Peter Subject: (kw) The Bussy book >> I guess then that your MOJO article from april 97 is older than two >> years... >You're right that this could be one of the articles on my site where >the copyright is (ahem!) debatable. ;-) Well, I think we are getting a little closer to the main issue...As a matter of fact this article is based on Bussys book and you present it with no remarks at all. To an average surfer this is as missleading as you claim Bussys book is. You should present the so called facts instead of just copy an article. >> Only a bunch sometimes unfriendly people claiming that >> Bussy's-book-is-crap >Most of the people I know (including myself) think that Bussy's book >is very good. However, it obviously contains many mistakes and >inaccuracies. I agree and the main concern is that Klaus Dingers role is sadly neglected by Bussy. He had a major influence during the work with the first Kraftwerk album. Klaus likes my site and I'm currently in contact with him (snail mail). Hopefully he replies and then I correct the information about his involvement. >So much for now. I hope it wasn't too boring! ;-) > Klaus Zaepke I don't understand why you didn't direct your complaints to me earlier. I would have been happy to make the suggested corrections. If I hadn't been a member of this list, your complaints had never reached me. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68-'73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:56:52 -0400 From: Mark Stagg Subject: (kw) Muzik magazine There's a okay 3-page article on KW at TG in the current issue of "Muzik"= here in the UK. It's actually in the free "Tribal Gathering" supplement which comes with the magazine, and features several photos (including one= large blurred one - though none of them show the new outfits), along with= the writers's account of his inability to get an interview with the band.= STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:56:49 -0400 From: Mark Stagg Subject: (kw) kraftwerk.com link > KW's web site now includes a link to this summer's Tour De France... =2E..and there's another brief audio file - not surprisingly of "Tour De France" - though not from any of the vinyl versions. Now is definitely the time for a KW-approved (re?)release! STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:54:13 -0600 From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #85 > I think it's a great idea. Tiger and I can be the U.S. burners - this > will allow multiple pressing at a very fast turnaround time. I also think > it's a great idea to get some sort of a "multimedia" CD-ROM with available > WAVs, etc.ANd if anyone has videos and a video capture board, we could > also press AVIs and/or MOVs. > I work at a video facility here in Houston, Texas and could capture video and output quicktime movies (MOV). Of course, someone would have to send me the video and I would send the MOV on to whoever makes the CD-ROM. Sounds like a great idea! Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 07:25:07 +0600 From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Stockhausen >>One of the most notable influences on all early German rock groups was Karlheinz Stockhausen. As leader of the Darmstadt school, his influence on the electronic music field was immense. His experiments with electronic sounds were also influential on rock musicians further afield - his picture being one of those included on the cover of The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper LP. I have heard that it exists a bootleg with a concert featuring Stockhausen and Kraftwerk playing together in '71 or '72. The bootleg has six tracks, three Kraftwerk songs played by Stockhausen and three Stockhausen songs played by Kraftwerk! << The above is from the "1969" section of Peter's page. Is that true, or another kraftwerk rumour possibly from the Bussy book? If it is true, does anyone know where this bootleg can be found, or whether anyone would be willing to make a tape of it, assuming I send a blank one and a SASE to you? Thanks Emmett # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 07:37:48 -0400 From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Dumb question time Don't hate me for saying this, but there's something reasurring about knowing there are limits to your encyclopedic knowledge of techno! :-D I get a lot out of your postings on hip hop. Gary Numan is, soundwise, the son of David Bowie and Iggy Pop, nannied by Ralf and Florian. The music in his best period ('78-'83) goes from punky New Wave to funky New Romantic. He does a powerful job with what for other performers or songwriters would be an awful singing voice. I'd recommend the 1987 two disc compilation titled EXHIBITION, but if you can't find it, this year's greatest hits will do. Aldo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:41:13 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) The Bussy book / Klaus Dinger > As a matter of fact this article is based on Bussys book No, it isn't, at least not entirely. It just uses (among other sources) a few quotes from Bussys book, which are accurately marked as quotes. > and you present it with no remarks at all. I don't comment any of the sources which are listed in my bibliography. This is common practice for bibliographies. > as missleading as you claim Bussys book is. I don't claim that his book is generally misleading. After all, *he* credits his sources. >You should present the so called facts instead of just copy an article. I am presenting the fact that a Kraftwerk article appeared in the April issue of Mojo. This (and nothing else) is the purpose of a bibliography. > I agree and the main concern is that Klaus Dingers role is sadly > neglected by Bussy. He had a major influence during the work with the > first Kraftwerk album. Do you know any more details about how he is supposed to have influenced the album? I ask because he's only credited for playing drums on the album, not for compositions etc. > Klaus likes my site Oh? A few weeks ago he didn't even know about your site, so I assume that he told you this very recently? > Hopefully he replies and then I correct the information about his > involvement. Hm, I wonder if Klaus Dinger's personal point of view is necessarily the correct one... After all, he seems to have a very (ahem!) self-confident opinion of himself and his importance in music history... :-) > I don't understand why you didn't direct your complaints to me earlier. Basically because I am not running a free WWW correction service. Anyway, now I have to correct myself: I wrote in my last message: > an article states that their concert in Hamburg, 1974, was their first > appearance in Germany since 1971. I have mistyped the date. In fact it was their first appearance in Germany since *1972*. So Kraftwerk have toured Germany in 1971 and 1972, but most probably not in 1973. Sorry for the mess! Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:40:12 +0200 From: Nexus Subject: Re: (kw) Kw Bootleg? Thenk you for your enthousiast replies. What we'll do is this: anyone interested by having a copy of the CD should email me directly at nexgen@rocketmail.com, including your snail mail address. Gunnar from Sweden has proposed to manufacture the disks. I plan on sending him the master CD middle of this week. I'll ask him how we should proceed regarding blank CDs and such. Thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:49:51 -0200 From: Thomas Morper Subject: (kw) TEE on MTV I can't believe!! MTV Europe just showed the 1977-version of "Trans Europa Express" with german lyrics. It is the first time within seven years of music television that I've seen this wonderful b/w-video on TV - and I'm afraid it will last another seven years until they show it again. Sorry, I know that this message was not informative in any way, but I just had to share my happiness with you. Bye, Thomas (tmorper@karlstadt.netsurf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 97 09:10:50 -0500 From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #83 >It does not necessarily have to be hosted in Dusseldorf for it to be >Kraftwerk's, but remember that about a year ago Ralf and Florian successfully >sued another company for the right to use the www.kraftwerk.com domain name, >and it's also registered on the InterNIC as belonging to them and being >copyrighted by them. The HTML source even contains examples of Andreas >Kuckartz' weird sense of humour ;) Who exactly is Andreas Kuckartz? ---- Bruce M. Lloyd, bml@bgi.on.ca http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/2760 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 09:41:06 +0600 From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: (kw) TG Celebrity I just thought of something. With Kraftwerk being off the scene for some time, and there being so many KW fans in the music biz, for example, I know that Bernard Sumner (Joy Division, New Order, Electronic-where he worked w/ Bartos) is a huge KW fan and talks about them a bit in his interviews. Did anyone see any celebrities (music, or not) either offstage, or in the crowd, or whatever? No one has mentioned any so far, but I thought I'd ask Emmett epepper@vt.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 15:50:04 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: RE: (kw) june 21 ROME! a rumour? pt. 1... Kraftwerk will play in Rome (where I live) for an event spanning from june 21 to june 22! Unbeliveable!!! :-) But why doesn't www.kraftwerk.com say anything = about this? [...] Featuring Underworld, Sven Vath, Todd Terry, Jeff Mills, Carl Cox, Supernova, = Victor Simonelli, CJ Mackintosh, Frankie Foncett, Kenny Larkin, Chemical = Brothers, Alex Tron, the Metalheadz, Data, Claudio Coccoluto, Marshal Jefferson, Typical, Grooverider, LTJ Bukem, Jumpin Jack Frost, SquarePusher, Ralf, *****Kraftwerk***** (*s are mine), Alex Natale,... Data!! Is this the Data in which Georg Kajanus was the leading force? = Does anybody know if they're still playing? I didn't hear anything from = them after the three albums "Opera Electronica", "2-Time" and "Elegant = Machinery". Well, the names that surrounds Data suggests that this is a = completely different Data. More in the techno/drum'n'bass genre... /Conny # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 10:11:11 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Dumb question time >Just who is Gary Numan???? I'm hearing about this performer all >the time now, and not just from this ML. Yet, I've never heard >anything by him! Peace. = WHAT?? Jeez............. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 10:45:11 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Dumb question time On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:07:14 EDT muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) writes: >Just who is Gary Numan???? I'm hearing about this performer all the >time now, and not just from this ML. Yet, I've never heard anything by >him! Peace. > u must not have been aroung much in the 80s then...uve never heard the song cars?...sure u have...anyway, numan led the tubeway army, a "synth-pop" (god i hate categorization) group in the 80s...heavily influenced by kw (whether he wants to admit it or not) both in the type of songs and his visual presence...great live act, btw...he must have something like 20 albums out...worth checking out, imo.... tom w np: numan live at the palladium nyc 1980...(2nd us show ever, or was it the 3rd?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 10:45:11 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Muzik magazine On Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:56:52 -0400 Mark Stagg writes: >There's a okay 3-page article on KW at TG in the current issue of >"Muzik"= > while were on the subject of articles, the new york times has an article today also with a good pic from tg...nothing earth-shattering however... tom w np: kw at tg....yowzaa # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 09:00:01 -0700 From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) Dumb question time A. D. Alvarez wrote: > Gary Numan is, soundwise, the son of David Bowie and Iggy Pop, nannied > by Ralf and Florian. That's a very good definition. I used to have that LP with "Cars" and that's one of my favourite songs ever. I've played that LP so much during the 80s that it got worn out. :-) |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Jun 97 12:18:54 EDT From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Muzik magazine with TG supplement The new issue of 'Muzik' magazine contains an additional 'Tribal Gathering 1997' supplement with a three-page spread on Kraftwerk with some new live pics and one (small) pic of Florian Schneider exiting the Kraftwerk area. (Muzik, Issue no. 26, July 1997) There is also another competition to win the "ludicrously rare promotional item' - i.e., the 'Klangbox' 4x12" promo box set. Five runners-up win a Raleigh Giessegi cycling shirt. The correct answer is '(b) Tour de France'. Stick this answer on a postcard and send it to; Kraftwerk, Muzik, IPC, Stamford Street, London SE1 9LS. Entries to be received by July 11. Best of luck. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:29:43 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) TG Celebrity >Did anyone see any celebrities (music, or not) either offstage, >or in the crowd, or whatever? No one has mentioned any so far, >but I thought I'd ask the TG organisers claim that all the major acts were in the tent when kw performed their set. Who they meant is up for question, but I know for su= re that Orbital only agreed to appear when they heard kw was booked, plus th= e chicago tent was closed for the entire kw set. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 20:11:37 +0200 From: Nexus Subject: (kw) KW Bootleg details Hi again, Wow! Again thanks for your enthusiasm. Barely two days after making the offer, there is at least a dozen people interested. As Gunnar (the "burner" ;) asked me to centralize the requests, I will do this: Please send them to me Friday the 20th at the _latest_, please. Thus, Gunnar and I will know exactly how many CDs to make. Now, this isn't by any means a promise, but, depending on the total number of requests, if it's something like 20 or 22, I think I can, er, "borrow" the blank CDs at work, I know where they stock them. That'd make to CDs free, and only postage should be a "problem", regarding which I should consult with Gunnar, and let you know. Regarding the sleeve, I did make one. I'll send the prints to Gunnar to include with the CDs. Remember, no requests valid after Friday 20th. Thank you. Catch you later... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 15:41:24 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) "Call Them the Beatles of Electronic Dance Music" "The hit of a 20-hour celebration near London is Kraftwerk, a 30-year-old German group that helped spawn [hip-hop], disco, and techno." A huge article about you-know-who is in today's New York Times, on p. 34, of the 2nd section. The article's da bomb! All kinds of info, and the possibility of a NEW ALBUM!!!! Check it out, yo! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 15:41:24 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) june 21 ROME! a rumor? pt. 1... >>> I don't know anyone of the other artists, apart Vath, Underworld, Chem Bros. Maybe a lot of them will be djs. if you know them let me know, privately if you feel is a matter not pertinent to the list. <<< You lucky Europeans! You get all of the good US shit! Marshall Jefferson is one of the house-music legends (remember "Move Your Body"?); a producer, musician, remixer, songwriter, and occasional DJ. Todd Terry is also a legendary house-music presence. He pioneered house records completely made up of samples, and a damn good remixer as well, best known for his re-interpretation of Everything but the Girl's "Missing." CJ Mackintosh is a UK-based house-music remixer, interpreting tracks by Aretha Franklin and that dope house remix of Mark Morrison's "Return of the Mack," which is unavailable in the US. That's enough for now, mainly because I'd take up too many bytes providing y'all with the 411 on everyone you mentioned. Peace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 12:55:22 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) TEE on MTV/Boot CDs *ARGH* This message keeps getting BOUNCED. Was ist LOS?? Try again.... added DATA this time.... > From: Thomas Morper > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) TEE on MTV > Date: Sunday, June 15, 1997 9:49 AM > > I can't believe!! > MTV Europe just showed the 1977-version of "Trans Europa Express" with > german lyrics. .................. > Sorry, I know that this message was not informative in any way, but I > just had to share my happiness with you. > > Bye, Thomas (tmorper@karlstadt.netsurf.de) Dear Thomas & Everybody, Oh, it's informative! KW videos are so rarely shown -it IS a thrill to SEE them and SHARE it with other Fans! I've only seen TEE once or twice about 15 years ago, and The Model a couple of times about 10 years ago, and a glimpse of Autobahn 2-3 years ago- pity I missed AMP the one night they played The Model a few months ago. So, I was positively ECSTATIC when they played ROBOTS, coincidentally on May 24th, the same night as the Tribal Gathering! I got it on tape, for sure, but, I need to find a way to duplicate it to another tape before I wear it out! I wish I had ALL of their videos on tape, especially Music Non Stop.*sigh*. Stay tuned to the KRAFTWERK Channel on KlingKlang TV! Gee- now THERE's a nice thought: R&F should have their own TV/Radio station, with TERAWATTS of Power to transmit their VIBES and bring peace to the Universe.... Resistance is Futile. We have been Assimilated. BootLeg Alert!<*WhooOOP-WhooOOP*>! I can't WAIT for this BootLeg CD- Thank you Nexus and Gunnar for making it available!! Whatever you guys WERK out, please let us know. It would probably be easiest for each of us -(in the US atleast)- to send cash/checks -(International Money Orders cost about $3!OUCH!)- to Gunnar to cover cost & postage of individual CDs, if he can get them in "bulk". If you can snag a coupla dozen for FREEBIES, that would be a real blessing! Paying postage is no problemo! Say it costs $2 to mail each CD to the US. It would STILL be fair for each of us Amerikanern to send a $5 bill, to help replenish the Borrowed Blanks and help pay for your TIME in burning them. Fair EnuFF?? That's CHEAP! Otherwise, paying the cost of Blanks plus postage is perfectly reasonable. Good Deal! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:14:33 -0400 From: Regor@webtv.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roger_D=E9ziel?=) Subject: (kw) Call Them the Beatles of Electronic Dance Music - --WebTV-Mail-2051444062-5574 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi ! Please check the included LINK to the New York Times article mentioned earlier. - -- Roger Regor@webtv.net Using WebTV=99 since 01/09/97 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D - --WebTV-Mail-2051444062-5574 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; X-URL-TITLE="Call Them the Beatles of Electronic Dance Music"; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/artleisure/15stra.html - --WebTV-Mail-2051444062-5574-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:25:58 +0200 From: Oli Subject: (kw) KW Bootleg details Hi, I just red that Nexus found his 'burner'. So, can anybody tell me who this 'Gunnar' is, because I'm not able to send any mail to Nexus. Every mail I send to him is sent back to me to be undeliverable. (Nexus ) Nexus, Gunnar! If you can read this, please reserve one copy of the selfmade bootleg-CD for me and mail me if you did so!! How much will it cost? Where should I send the money? Thanx a lot, Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Dumb question time In a message dated 97-06-15 01:11:24 EDT, muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) writes: << Just who is Gary Numan???? I'm hearing about this performer all the time now, and not just from this ML. Yet, I've never heard anything by him! Peace. >> Oh, my gosh.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 03:06:11 MET-2MED From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #85 On 16-Jun-97 A.D., Marco DuBose carved the following runes about "(kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #85": [...] >> WAVs, etc.ANd if anyone has videos and a video capture board, we could >> also press AVIs and/or MOVs. >> >I work at a video facility here in Houston, Texas and could capture >video and output quicktime movies (MOV). Of course, someone would have >to send me the video and I would send the MOV on to whoever makes the >CD-ROM. Sounds fabulous! Especially that you're going to use the QT-format (as the sources for the Intel Indeo AVI-codec cost more than 5kUSD, so we non-wintel users would be left in the dark...). But was there really not one single person with a small camcorder attending TG?? I'd love to *see* the new piece too... Gerade aus! - -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:08:32 +1000 From: "Adam (L) Read" Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com link Mark Stagg wrote: > > > KW's web site now includes a link to this summer's Tour De France... > > ...and there's another brief audio file - not surprisingly of "Tour De > France" - though not from any of the vinyl versions. > > Now is definitely the time for a KW-approved (re?)release! The Robots sample is also slightly different to any released version. I wonder why the Tour de France is shown as if Kraftwerk are appearing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:16:05 +0200 From: lbo Subject: RE: (kw) june 21 ROME! a rumour? pt. 1... At 15:50 15/06/97 +0200, you wrote: >Kraftwerk will play in Rome (where I live) for an event spanning from >june 21 to june 22! > >Unbeliveable!!! :-) But why doesn't www.kraftwerk.com say anything about this? I don't know... even the Rome city council www site (www.comune.roma.it) is not telling anything about it, and the telephon number I cited is just ringing with no answer... I warn you again: maybe someone in some level of the organization (this things are managed at last at three levels: local production ask a national agency an artist that ask him to an european agency that ask to the management of such artist...) thinks that if K break their isolationism once then they're going to play in all places where they are requested... and maybe they just put a huge list, and if they will not make it 100% then who cares, there will be still a lot of good acts... for the moment let the people talk... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:41:14 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) Dumb question time [Who is Gary Numan] >Oh, my gosh.... >WHAT?? Jeez............. Come on, this guy ain't so important... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:02:20 +0800 From: usura@pacific.net.sg Subject: (kw) KW videos does anyone have a list of KW videos that exist? more importantly, anyone got a compliation of these videos? it'd be brilliant to see them in action! cheers monique. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> I can't believe!! >> MTV Europe just showed the 1977-version of "Trans Europa Express" with >> german lyrics. >.................. >> Sorry, I know that this message was not informative in any way, but I >> just had to share my happiness with you. >> >> Bye, Thomas (tmorper@karlstadt.netsurf.de) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:19:13 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #85 Message text written by Emanuel Mair >But was there really not one single person with a small camcorder attending TG?? I'd love to *see* the new piece too... < I wouldn't worry too much. I counted 4 video cameras just from where I wa= s situated, so it's only a matter of time......... Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:19:58 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: RE: (kw) Dumb question time Tubeway Army were definitely NOT to be classed as Synth Pop, they were a Punk/New Wave styled band which Gary formed with his best mate, the late Paul Gardiner and his uncle Jess Lidyard. Gary wrote typical punk style three minute songs with the one idea of getting signed to a record label. This he actually achieved with Beggars Banquet and then developed his own sound. Although Gary may have been influenced by Kraftwerk he also quotes many other influences such as David Bowie from the Aladin Sane era, purely for David's visuals, Gary quotes his favorite track as Cracked Actor. Other influences are T-Rex, Mott the Hoople etc., etc., Here's one for all the Numan freaks out there, my best friend has a freight forwarding business here in the UK, his partner went to school with Gary Numan (Webb), same class and everything. He says that Gary was brilliant at school with his creativity in art and music. Apparently Gary totally re-wrote the David Bowie show 'Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars' for a school play, he directed the whole thing on his own. Finally, I cannot belive the message I received this morning asking who is Gary Numan?! If you have never heard of him then I suggest you go down to your local record store and try to order the compilation 'Exhibition' ASAP. Best Regards, Craig. - ---------- From: thomas m weibrecht[SMTP:tweibrecht@juno.com] Sent: 15 June 1997 15:45 To: muziknut2@juno.com Cc: kraftwerk@xmission.com Subject: Re: (kw) Dumb question time On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:07:14 EDT muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) writes: >Just who is Gary Numan???? I'm hearing about this performer all the >time now, and not just from this ML. Yet, I've never heard anything by >him! Peace. > u must not have been aroung much in the 80s then...uve never heard the song cars?...sure u have...anyway, numan led the tubeway army, a "synth-pop" (god i hate categorization) group in the 80s...heavily influenced by kw (whether he wants to admit it or not) both in the type of songs and his visual presence...great live act, btw...he must have something like 20 albums out...worth checking out, imo.... tom w np: numan live at the palladium nyc 1980...(2nd us show ever, or was it the 3rd?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:21:43 -0400 From: Oliver Kess Subject: (kw) One Copy for me please Hy, as it happened to the other Oliver in the mailinglist, my message was= = bounced back from the destination address (Nexus ). So Gunnar or Nexus, if you read this message, pls accept this as a = request for another copy of the announced KW bootleg CD. pls send information to the mailinglist or contact me on my privat email = address about further details, where to send money and stuff... Thank you in advance for your response Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:33:10 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: RE: (kw) Dumb question time Message text written by "Fermin Goiriz" >>Oh, my gosh.... >WHAT?? Jeez............. Come on, this guy ain't so important...< Tschk, tschk. You're right Fermin. He's not important NOW. In the Uk, Num= an opened the floodgate for all synth bands in 1979. = Yes, there were synth bands in 1979 and before, but no HUGE synth bands, eve KW with all their influence did not instigate the mainstream insurgen= ce of synth bands. The nearest thing was Ultravox, but they still hadn't bro= ke the mainstream at that time. = Numan's hit as Tubeway Army, 'Are Friends Electric' was a massive hit, an= d the followup 'Cars' (massive worldwide) saw an unprecedented rise in 'synth-pop' bands hitting the charts :- Depeche Mode Tears for Fears OMD Ultravox Soft Cell Blancmange, etc, etc. Numan admits that he is not an original, and the critics have slated him for various reasons (inculding his politics!), but in my opinion, wrongly= , as he deserves a place in synth histore as the man who opened the floodgate, certainly in the UK, which was also leading the music industry= at the time. He's gone a bit cranky of late, but it is noticable and significant that more people are readily admitting that they were influenced by him. You only have to look at the forthcoming Numan tribute album 'Random' to se= e a list of names willing to put their money where their mouth is. So in answer to your terse statement, actually Numan WAS important. (mayb= e not in Spain !!) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:53:42 +0100 From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk Subject: (kw) Re: The Blade CD - --IMA.Boundary.855054668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I was asking Rich - the guy who was looking for,and has now found "The Blade" for a tape -I'm sure he'll come up with the goods.Yes I went to TG and as you so rightly say I didn't speak to anyone apart from some young Liverpudlian girls until their boyfriends get insanely (amusingly so) jealous. Craig Land (from somewhere in Berks or Bucks) is trying to arrange a night in London and so far there are four or five of us interested.It would be easy to arrange a venue even easier to go to someones house.I'm sure that it would be an enriching experience due to some of the amazing recorded material (both KW and nonKW) that people have. I still play those Techno pop tapes you did for me! Regards Dave H ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: The Blade CD Author: Mark Stagg at Internet Date: 14/06/97 14:56 Hi Dave - how are you? I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I only have one copy of the CD myself, and I know that Third Mind Records are now defunct. Though there must be some largish record shop or mail order chain that still has copies I would think. The best I can offer is a tape copy (cassette, or digital clone on DAT if that's any good) - let me know. Did you get to Tribal Gathering? - I bet there were loads of us there that know each other from the list, but failed to connect on the day... Kind Regards, STAGGMAN. - --IMA.Boundary.855054668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from rh2.derwent.co.uk (193.128.218.18) by iegate.derwent.co.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0003ABE9; Sat, 14 Jun 97 19:51:07 +0100 Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com by rh2.derwent.co.uk with smtp (SMAIL3.1.28.1#5) id m0wcy0U-0001CWC;Sat, 14 Jun 97 19:57 BST Received: by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA27004; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:57:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:56:47 -0400 From: Mark Stagg Subject: The Blade CD To: "INTERNET:DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk" Message-ID: <199706141456_MC2-187D-6EF2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline - --IMA.Boundary.855054668-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:50:03 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: RE: (kw) TG Celebrity Did anyone see any celebrities (music, or not) either offstage, or in the crowd, or whatever? No one has mentioned any so far, but I thought I'd = ask I wasn't at the TG, so I wouldn't know. But I thought this could be a = nice opportunity to tell you my corresponding story from the 1991-tour.=20 In 1991 I saw KW's two shows at the Brixton Academy. After the first = concert, I waited outside the back-entrance toghether with my friends, = in hope of meeting R&F personally. As we expected, this was of course in = vain, but we got to see a few celebs'. After waiting for a bit more than = 10 minutes, two men came out of the backstage door. They were very = quiet, talking silently to each other. I could immediately see that this = was not the persons we wanted to meet. When they passed us I recognised = one of them (shaved head, trenchcoat), but I wasn't able to figure out = who it was. But my girlfriend, who likes Depeche Mode far better than I = do, turned around and said with a loud voice: "Hi Vince". The person = turned around and looked at her, and indeed, this was Vince Clark (DM / = Yazoo / the Assembly / Erasure). He said hello, and realised that this = was a fan, not a friend, smiled and continued leaving. We all found this very funny. After another ten minutes three men came = jumping down the stairs (the fireexit was used as the backstage = entrance, meaning that you had to climb an outdoor-staircase to = enter/exit). They were very exalted, screaming and laughing. When they = came down we could identify two of them as the members of Nitzer Ebb = (what's their names? Douglas and...?). The singer wore the = short-trousers that he oftened used on stage at the time. They were all = very exited, and they almost ran/jumped down the stairs and away = downtown. Since we didn't really expect to meet anyone but guards and roadies, we = were very amused by this, so we continued waiting a while, discussing = where to go after this. While standing there, a half-empty can of beer = suddenly hit the ground very close to us. It was obviously thrown from = top of the staircase. Someone was singing "Deutschland =FCber alles" = with a very drunk voice. And a group of people was walking down the = stairs (I can't remember how many). There was only one of the persons = who where making the noise, the others were very quiet. The person = singing (disgracing) the German national anthem, quit singing and = started doing an english parody of germanspeaking people (Basil = Fawlty-style), he said/yelled a few phrases like "Guten Tag Herr = Schneider" a.s.o. He was also laughing. You could tell this person was = both drunk and exalted by meeting his idols, even though he right now = impersonated them most disrespectfully. When the group came down the = stairs we realised that the noisy person was Andy Fletcher of Depeche = Mode! My girlfriend, who was nearly hit by the beer can, told him that = he could have killed us with it. He didn't seem to listen/understand, = but one of the others silently gave her a opened but full bottle of beer = as a kind of excuse. This person looked very much like Alan Wilder from = the same band, but I'm not sure. I am sure though, that none of the = other persons were from DM. For the ones of you living in Great Britain, maybe it is commonplace to = see this kind of celebrities. For us, at the time, it was like a nice = dessert to the very exquisite maincourse of seeing and hearing Kraftwerk = perform for the first time in our lifes. /Conny ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-mail: kraftwerk@usa.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:17:32 MET From: "Stefan Louwers" Subject: (kw) Record Stores in Berlin Hi everybody, In the week from the 28th of June till 7 July I will be staying in Berlin. Does anybody know any good record stores where I could get some Kraftwerk material that isn't avalaible in Holland? Thanks, Stefan Louwers esf18@stpc.wi.leidenuniv.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 09:33:42 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) One Hypnotic Piece of Music I know this is the KW mailing list, but all that talk of Gary Numan has reminded me of two minutes of Aural Sex. As far as I know the only cover he did was a live rendition of The Drifters' "On Broadway" (strange choice!). The first half is the vocal bit, the second half is the most fantastic piece of electronic music, the superb Chris Payne and Billy Currie intertwining beautiful melodies. They seem to have a natural ability for working together for the benefit of the audience. It is most uplifting! Incidentally parts of J-M Jarre's stage show last week was somewhat reminiscent of what Numan was doing 17/18 years ago? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 09:33:27 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Dumb question time "ain't so important" - RUBBISH!! It was Tubeway Army/Gary Numan that introduced electronic music to the masses here in the UK. Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode, Soft Cell, Ultravox and many others all benefitted from Numan's acheivement of populising the sound of the synth. Plus I for one discovered Kraftwerk through Gary Numan, as right from the beginning he stated that they were an important influence. Before I get flamed here, yes I know the John Foxx led version of Ultravox released material before Numan, but it was never popular was it? Gary Numan has been mightily unfashionable for years now, but people are now beginning to realise what a star he was. Those that don't know him should have as part of their record colection the awesome albums Replicas and The Pleasure Principle. There, I've said my piece. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: RE: (kw) Dumb question time From: Fermin Goiriz at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 16/6/97 4:41 [Who is Gary Numan] >Oh, my gosh.... >WHAT?? Jeez............. Come on, this guy ain't so important... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:29:51 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: RE: (kw) TG Celebrity Message text written by =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=3DE4ck?=3D >We all found this very funny. After another ten minutes three men came jumping down the stairs (the fireexit was used as the backstage entrance,= meaning that you had to climb an outdoor-staircase to enter/exit). They were very exalted, screaming and laughing. When they came down we could identify two of them as the members of Nitzer Ebb (what's their names? Douglas and...?). The singer wore the short-trousers that he oftened used= on stage at the time. They were all very exited, and they almost ran/jump= ed down the stairs and away downtown. < Douglas McCarthy and Bon Harris, and yes, they were both there!! I saw do= ug milling through the crowd just before kw came on, wearing a purple velvet= waistcoat!! At the time, I remember that there were rumors that all of DM were presen= t at the concert, but I didn't see tham. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:38:19 +0800 From: usura@pacific.net.sg Subject: (kw) no KW content > >Numan's hit as Tubeway Army, 'Are Friends Electric' was a massive hit, and >the followup 'Cars' (massive worldwide) saw an unprecedented rise in >'synth-pop' bands hitting the charts :- > > >Blancmange, etc, etc. ooh, Blancmange!!! sorry to use up bandwidth, but anyone wants to chat about them? i can't find any kindred 'Mange souls out there. (apologies to the list.) monique. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:05:33 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: RE: Re[2]: (kw) Dumb question time Speaking of John Foxx, look how he changed in music style when he left Ultravox, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't the music press at the time ridicule him a bit for copying Numan with tracks like Underpass, and No-one Driving? Personally, I liked these tracks, but my favorite was an instrumental piece which I would perform Robotic's to called Mr. X. Does anyone remember a group called Hard Corps (pronounced Core)? I had The Bell, Metal and Flesh (awesome) on promo and Respirer, To Breathe, and a couple of others I can't remember the names of. Other groups I liked which did not have major success were: Data, Tik and Tok, Dramatis, Telex............. I am sorry if people are getting a bit annoyed over the fact that there seems to be little on KW recently, anyone want to open the conversation? Regards, Craig. PS. Still haven't heard anything on the possiblity of a Electronic disco incorporating the sounds of KW, Numan, Depeche Mode etc., etc.......we could even tape this event and send it to our fellow list members overseas! At this event would you recommend that we play tunes back to back or actually mix them together like quality House and Techno DJ's? - ---------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk[SMTP:Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1997 10:33 To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Dumb question time "ain't so important" - RUBBISH!! It was Tubeway Army/Gary Numan that introduced electronic music to the masses here in the UK. Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode, Soft Cell, Ultravox and many others all benefitted from Numan's acheivement of populising the sound of the synth. Plus I for one discovered Kraftwerk through Gary Numan, as right from the beginning he stated that they were an important influence. Before I get flamed here, yes I know the John Foxx led version of Ultravox released material before Numan, but it was never popular was it? Gary Numan has been mightily unfashionable for years now, but people are now beginning to realise what a star he was. Those that don't know him should have as part of their record colection the awesome albums Replicas and The Pleasure Principle. There, I've said my piece. ________________________________________________________________________ _______ Subject: RE: (kw) Dumb question time From: Fermin Goiriz at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 16/6/97 4:41 [Who is Gary Numan] >Oh, my gosh.... >WHAT?? Jeez............. Come on, this guy ain't so important... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 07:49:09 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) re:bounced messages Same thing happened to me-- I sent an e-mail to Nexus and it was sent back. So I'd like to second Oliver Kess' message! :-] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 12:16:10 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time Tik & Tok, bloody hell we ARE getting old aren't we. They were on when I saw the Gazmeister at Wembley in '81 (along with some div called Nash the Slash!). I once owned a single by Tik & Tok called Dynamo Beat (I think), it was cringingly awful, though I liked it at the time!! Aah the follies of youth...... As for Dramatis, without doubt one of the most under-rated groups of the early eighties. For those that don't know they were Gary Numan's post-Tubeway Army band. Ex Luna Scientia and at least one other single if I remember correctly, but it was a long, long time ago. As for the Electronic Disco - On behalf of all list members I nominate you, Craig, to be the organiser!! Looks like the average age of the audience will be early to mid thirties (I'm only 32). Maybe we should mix in some Glen Miller too!!! Anyone got anything to say about Kraftwerk? Yes? Good I'll shut up about Gary Numan then! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: RE: Re[2]: (kw) Dumb question time From: Craig Land at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 16/6/97 11:45 Speaking of John Foxx, look how he changed in music style when he left Ultravox, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't the music press at the time ridicule him a bit for copying Numan with tracks like Underpass, and No-one Driving? Personally, I liked these tracks, but my favorite was an instrumental piece which I would perform Robotic's to called Mr. X. Does anyone remember a group called Hard Corps (pronounced Core)? I had The Bell, Metal and Flesh (awesome) on promo and Respirer, To Breathe, and a couple of others I can't remember the names of. Other groups I liked which did not have major success were: Data, Tik and Tok, Dramatis, Telex............. I am sorry if people are getting a bit annoyed over the fact that there seems to be little on KW recently, anyone want to open the conversation? Regards, Craig. PS. Still haven't heard anything on the possiblity of a Electronic disco incorporating the sounds of KW, Numan, Depeche Mode etc., etc.......we could even tape this event and send it to our fellow list members overseas! At this event would you recommend that we play tunes back to back or actually mix them together like quality House and Techno DJ's? - ---------- From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk[SMTP:Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk] Sent: 16 June 1997 10:33 To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Dumb question time "ain't so important" - RUBBISH!! It was Tubeway Army/Gary Numan that introduced electronic music to the masses here in the UK. Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode, Soft Cell, Ultravox and many others all benefitted from Numan's acheivement of populising the sound of the synth. Plus I for one discovered Kraftwerk through Gary Numan, as right from the beginning he stated that they were an important influence. Before I get flamed here, yes I know the John Foxx led version of Ultravox released material before Numan, but it was never popular was it? Gary Numan has been mightily unfashionable for years now, but people are now beginning to realise what a star he was. Those that don't know him should have as part of their record colection the awesome albums Replicas and The Pleasure Principle. There, I've said my piece. ________________________________________________________________________ _______ Subject: RE: (kw) Dumb question time From: Fermin Goiriz at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 16/6/97 4:41 [Who is Gary Numan] >Oh, my gosh.... >WHAT?? Jeez............. Come on, this guy ain't so important... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:37:36 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re[2]: (kw) Dumb question time Message text written by INTERNET:Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk >Those that don't know him should have as part of their record colection the awesome albums Replicas and The Pleasure Principle.< Those albums are ESSENTIAL! = thank you richard. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:49:29 +0200 From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Dumb question time Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk wrote: > Does anyone remember a group called Hard Corps (pronounced Core)? Sure thing!!! I have an album which is very good, and some 12" too. > Data, Tik and Tok, Dramatis, Telex............. Data made the very nice album '2-Time'. It was a very good prduction indeed. To be honest - there are not many groups that beat this production even today, mostly because it contains many cool ideas. And Telex - who can resist them?! Telex was one the first group to use samplers in a creative way, and to be honest - they used them much better than Kraftwerk. This is rather strange, because if you listen to The Mix Kraftwerks beats them all. I wonder if there were som interal conflict in the band around 1986, because Electric Cafe doesn't impress soundwise. - -- 'We are very gentle with our machines. Sometimes they respond very friendly.' Ralf Hutter, Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:09:59 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time Message text written by INTERNET:Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk >Tik & Tok, bloody hell we ARE getting old aren't we. They were on when I= saw the Gazmeister at Wembley in '81 (along with some div called Nash the Slash!)= =2E I once owned a single by Tik & Tok called Dynamo Beat (I think), it was cringingly awful, though I liked it at the time!! Aah the follies of youth...... As for Dramatis, without doubt one of the most under-rated groups of the early eighties. For those that don't know they were Gary Numan's post-Tubeway Army band. Ex Luna Scientia and at least one other single if I remember correctly, but it was a long, long time ago.< Both Tik and Tok and Nash the Slash (a mad canadian I think) were also support acts on Numan tours. = In fact, I think Numan contributed a track to Tik 'n Tok's album, which also appeared on his Berserker album. (A child with the ghost) which was = a tribute to Paul Gardiner. Essential Tik 'n Tok tunes I would say are 'Cool Running' and 'Summer in the City' a good cover of the Lovin' Spoonful's early hit. As for Dramatis, yes they were extremel under-rated, and should have deserved a hit or two. Again Numan appeared with them on the 'Love needs = no disguise' single. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 14:37:25 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: RE: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time For an extremely good Tik and Tok tune, check out Soulless Synthetic Heartsteps of Unconcerned Androids on the b-side to the Cool Runnings 12 inch, I think, now I will have to check the collection when I get home!! Regards, Craig. - ---------- From: Julian Seifert[SMTP:JSeifert@compuserve.com] Sent: 16 June 1997 14:09 To: Kraftwerk Mailing List Subject: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time Message text written by INTERNET:Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk >Tik & Tok, bloody hell we ARE getting old aren't we. They were on when I saw the Gazmeister at Wembley in '81 (along with some div called Nash the Slash!). I once owned a single by Tik & Tok called Dynamo Beat (I think), it was cringingly awful, though I liked it at the time!! Aah the follies of youth...... As for Dramatis, without doubt one of the most under-rated groups of the early eighties. For those that don't know they were Gary Numan's post-Tubeway Army band. Ex Luna Scientia and at least one other single if I remember correctly, but it was a long, long time ago.< Both Tik and Tok and Nash the Slash (a mad canadian I think) were also support acts on Numan tours. In fact, I think Numan contributed a track to Tik 'n Tok's album, which also appeared on his Berserker album. (A child with the ghost) which was a tribute to Paul Gardiner. Essential Tik 'n Tok tunes I would say are 'Cool Running' and 'Summer in the City' a good cover of the Lovin' Spoonful's early hit. As for Dramatis, yes they were extremel under-rated, and should have deserved a hit or two. Again Numan appeared with them on the 'Love needs no disguise' single. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:41:09 -0500 From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) Nexus bootleg Hey, email does not go direct to the address on your messages. Please put me down for a copy of the CD you'll be producing. To the rest of you, if you missed the 20th deadline and are a US resident, I can probably make 'reprints' for ya'll! send details about where to mail funds to the email above! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:57:47 -0200 From: Thomas Morper Subject: Re: (kw) KW videos At 14:02 16.06.1997 +0800, you wrote: > does anyone have a list of KW videos that exist? more importantly, >anyone got a compliation of these videos? it'd be brilliant to see them in >action! Till today I've only seen the following videos (in loose order): - - Das Modell (german/english) - - Musik Non Stop - - Die Roboter ('91-version, g/e?) - - Der Telefonanruf (e) - - Tour De France (g/f?) - - Pocket Calculator (live, english, seen on MTV's Alternative Nation!!!) - - Trans Europa Express (g) - - Autobahn The last is a very special and interesting one. It shows KW during their live-performance at the WDR radio-studio in Cologne in 1975. "Arte" showed a few seconds of this video as a part of a documentation (must have been a part of the "Lost in Music"-series, I can't remember exactly). I don't know whether there exists a full-length recording of this (hmm... anyone wants to ask WDR for it? For sure they've got e-mail...) Too bad I don't have any of those videos on tape. And I've never seen any in shops or mail-order-lists, either. Bye, Thomas (tmorper@karlstadt.netsurf.de) PS: reading my message again... so many "I don't know"s... Kraftwerk really doesn't make things easy for their fans... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:15:12 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: Re[2]: (kw) Dumb question time On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:05:33 +0100 Craig Land writes: > >Does anyone remember a group called Hard Corps (pronounced Core)? > > yes, they opened for u2 during the unforgetable fire tour and also for the cure on the head tour...didnt last long though... tom w sp: buckethead: day of the robot # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:15:12 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:09:59 -0400 Julian Seifert writes: > >Both Tik and Tok and Nash the Slash (a mad canadian I think) were also >support acts on Numan tours. = yes, nash the slash is canadian and anyone who ever saw him live will NEVER forget the mummy wraps and chains...hes now an actor btw.... tom w np: nash the slash - live nyc 1980 (opening for numan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 97 16:05:23 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) Nexus bootleg Just in case my e-mail doesn't get there either, here's my public proclaimation of my desire for that CD! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: (kw) Nexus bootleg From: Tiger Moses at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 16/6/97 15:33 Hey, email does not go direct to the address on your messages. Please put me down for a copy of the CD you'll be producing. To the rest of you, if you missed the 20th deadline and are a US resident, I can probably make 'reprints' for ya'll! send details about where to mail funds to the email above! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:39:12 -0400 From: sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil (SGT Norman Hopper) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Concert I have a copy of a Kraftwerk concert they performed in Utrecht, Holland in '91 I believe, LMK if anyone would like to view it, I can arrange that. on a scale from 1-10, probably an 8. Thanks. Norman Hopper sgt.norman.hopper@wrsmtp-ccmail.army.mil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:52:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: (kw) NY Times 15 June The Sunday New York Times, Arts and Liesure section has a HUGE article on KRAFTWERK. The headline reads "Call Them the Beatles of Electronic Dance Music." A large photo from the TG accompanies the article tom807@aol.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:22:44 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Magazine Articles Hi KW obssessives!!!, Just been to my local magazine shop and found that UK MOJO magazine has a= huge spread on German bands, including a five page spread on Kraftwerk (w= ho are also pictured full page on the front cover!!!) News is increasing at an exponential rate............. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:33:13 +0000 From: "Gustav Holmberg" Subject: Re: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time > Speaking of John Foxx, look how he changed in music style when he left > Ultravox, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't the music press at the > time ridicule him a bit for copying Numan with tracks like Underpass, and > No-one Driving? Personally, I liked these tracks, but my favorite was an > instrumental piece which I would perform Robotic's to called Mr. X. Metamatic had a great cover. Speaking about Numan, there's a rather good website run by himself at www.numan.co.uk /Gustav - -------------------------------------------------- Gustav Holmberg, Graduate student, History of Science and Ideas, Lund University, Sweden Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt/ilh/staff/gustav/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:15:11 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Dumb question time On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:19:58 +0100 Craig Land writes: >Tubeway Army were definitely NOT to be classed as Synth Pop, they were >a >Punk/New Wave styled band which Gary formed with his best mate, the >late >Paul Gardiner and his uncle Jess Lidyard. Gary wrote typical punk >style >three minute songs with the one idea of getting signed to a record >label. > This he actually achieved with Beggars Banquet and then developed his >own >sound. well, im not gonna get into an argument with you over this...granted, his first lp was more "punk" in style but u gotta agree that as he progressed he became alot more "popish"...i mean, are u gonna call "down in the park" or " are friends electric?" punk? plus, i stated that i was uncomfortable with the term synth-pop, but how else would u describe him to someone who didnt have a clue? >Although Gary may have been influenced by Kraftwerk he also quotes >many >other influences such as David Bowie from the Aladin Sane era, purely >for >David's visuals, Gary quotes his favorite track as Cracked Actor. >Other >influences are T-Rex, Mott the Hoople etc., etc., u are correct... >Here's one for all the Numan freaks out there, my best friend has a >freight >forwarding business here in the UK, his partner went to school with >Gary >Numan (Webb), same class and everything. He says that Gary was >brilliant >at school with his creativity in art and music. Apparently Gary >totally >re-wrote the David Bowie show 'Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From >Mars' >for a school play, he directed the whole thing on his own. hes also a pilot, and has numerous crashes to his credit... >Finally, I cannot belive the message I received this morning asking >who is >Gary Numan?! If you have never heard of him then I suggest you go >down to >your local record store and try to order the compilation 'Exhibition' >ASAP. good choice... tom w [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:25:53 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Numan/Nexus' Email Address > >Both Tik and Tok and Nash the Slash (a mad canadian I think) were also > >support acts on Numan tours. = > > yes, nash the slash is canadian and anyone who ever saw him live will > NEVER forget the mummy wraps and chains...hes now an actor btw.... > np: nash the slash - live nyc 1980 (opening for numan) Yeah- Slash opened for Numan in San Fransisco in '80. -(Same tour, obviously)- No "Mummy" wraps & chains, though. And I don't think Tik and Tok were there. Numan apologized to the audience for not being able to bring out his ROBOTS -(some kind of Pyramid-shaped machines)- because of Technical Difficulties, but, he put on a really good show. The band were in a 2-story striped "BOX" stage set. Very interesting. Oh, and the Nu-meister was wearing a Black Shirt & Red Tie- Color reversal! I was in my MM uniform, and I found several other KW fans in the crowd, as one would expect as such an event. Keep your eyed peeled for vinyl at Thrift Stores and Yard Sales, etc. I found Numan's FIRST album a few months ago: Tubeway Army featuring Gary Numan, with Jess Lidyard and Paul Gardiner, 1978, ATCO SD 32-106, plain white cover with a "minimalist" line drawing of Numan's face on the front, - -(with "first album" printed in a circle on his forehead. It's not a "sticker", so, I don't know if it's a re-print album, or if it was intentionally printed on there to begin with.)- casual b/w group foto on back. GOOD condition, even! Original sleeve is intact but wrinkled. If anybody needs a casette copy, let me know and I'll do my best. I do NOT want to sell it- but, maybe I'll trade it for Tone Float or something Major RARE of KRAFTWERK. Otherwise, I ain't parting with it! No way! No how! Okay- Nexus gave a different Email Adress in a previous post: I haven't heard from him in a few days- I'm sure he's WAY busy, but, try him at this Address so you can get on the List for this special KW CD! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Jun 97 20:26:43 +0000 From: Darren Barwise Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Gif Hi everybody, I've drawn a Kraftwerk picture based on the "Electric Cafe" album cover if anybody interested. Picture was drawn by hand over a 3 day period on an Amiga 1200 using Ppaint I have posted it on the usenet newsgroup, alt.binaries.pictures and the message no. is 101405. I afraid its in the Gif format as my encoder wont seem to accept it as a JPEG. Please email me if you think its any good! Darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:33:13 +0000 From: "Gustav Holmberg" Subject: Re: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time > Speaking of John Foxx, look how he changed in music style when he left > Ultravox, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't the music press at the > time ridicule him a bit for copying Numan with tracks like Underpass, and > No-one Driving? Personally, I liked these tracks, but my favorite was an > instrumental piece which I would perform Robotic's to called Mr. X. Metamatic had a great cover. Speaking about Numan, there's a rather good website run by himself at www.numan.co.uk /Gustav - -------------------------------------------------- Gustav Holmberg, Graduate student, History of Science and Ideas, Lund University, Sweden Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt/ilh/staff/gustav/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:39:08 +0200 From: Oli Subject: Re: (kw) KW videos usura@pacific.net.sg wrote: > >does anyone have a list of KW videos that exist? more importantly, anyone got a compliation of these videos? it'd be brilliant to see them in action! > cheers monique. > Here we are! A list of some KW-videos: (Maybe not complete!) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- KRAFTWERK-Videos ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Die Mensch-Maschine", Special Musik-Szene, 1982, 20 min Autobahn, Cartoon-Clip, complete Trans-Europe Express, english, Clip Trans-Europe Express, german, Clip Neonlights, Clip Die Roboter, Clip The Robots, Clip Das Modell, Clip, three different versions The Model, Clip The Model live in "Na sowas" The Telephonecall, Clip, complete Tour de France, Clip Musique non Stop, Clip, complete Live, early 70's, RAI (Truckstop Gondolero!) The making of the Autobahn-clip Radio-Activity, Clip Pocket Calculator, Clip Numbers/Computerworld 2 Tour de France (Breakdance) Tour de france, french, clip Die Roboter '91 really live! in "Mensch Meier", ARD The Robots '91 in "Top of the Pops", GB-TV The Robots '91 in "Tomorrows World", GB-TV English TV-Comercial for "The Mix" Interview & concert-excerpts (London '91) in "P.O.P.", Tele 5 Interview & concert-excerpts (London '91) in "Airplay", Premiere, diff.! Bologna, Theatro Tivoli, 07.02.90, 45 min "Stop Sellafield" Concert, 1992, 90min, w/ U2, Public Enemy, etc.. Sheffield, City Hall, 16.07.91, 120 min London, Brixton Academy, 19.07.91, 120 min München, Circus Krone, 28.10.91, 92 min Milano, Rolling Stone, w/italian Pocket Calculator, 17.11.91 Leicester Polytechnikum, 18.06.92, 77 min Osnabrück, Stadthalle, 27.05.93, 102 min Interview & Videoclips in "Megamix", Arte, 31.01.93 diff. Videoclips, "Lost in Music", 3Sat März '93 Elektric Music, Interview, MTV-news weekend edition, 10.07.93,5 min Yours, Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:45:41 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) Homepage Hi Werkers ! I am working on my homepage in the moment and I would like you to take a look at it. I am curious whether you like the "Design" of it. Please don=B4t examine the contents, as it it still under construction. As I said before - I just would like to receive some criticism ( in any way= ) about the graphical layout.=20 I=B4m quite unhappy with it as I do not know whether it=B4s okay or not..... So - if you happen to rush in for a while and take a look that would be= fine. Thanks ! Please mail me privately as this will not be a subject of the mailing list. ;-) http://www.rhenania.com/Voice Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name : dirk fellhauer =20 mail : d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page : http://www.rhenania.com/Voice age : 28 =20 starsign : pisces =20 alias : Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:23:39 +0100 From: Dave Hiscock Subject: (kw) TG: Anyone know this record? Hi, I was in the Planet Earth tent during the Saturday afternoon at Tribal Gathering (prior to Sneaker Pimps), listening to a DJ (don't know his name). He played the 12" remix of Tour De France which sounded superb at high volume, then this track blended into another track with a similar tempo. I know it wasn't Kraftwerk, but it sounded pretty good to me anyway. There were no vocals if I remember rightly. Could anyone shed any light on who the record was by? Orbital possibly? Also when Kraftwerk played, did anyone else notice the strange vertical pencil-thin beard on Fritz's (or was it Henning's) beard? Very un-Kraftwerk!! Bye, Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:45:39 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW Bootleg details "Mail System Error - Returned Mail" Nevermind. And put me on the list, please. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: devine quijesuis Subject: (kw) Bootleg update Hi, As requests add up literaly by the hour, there's a slight change of plans. It is now clear that, unfortunately, I won't be able to provide free CDs for everyone (I would have liked very much this to be a free list item). As of this hour, I have a total of 34 requests. My guess is that it will be too much for Gunnar to burn alone. So what I suggest is now this: Why not Gunnar making the CD for Europe, and Tiger for the US and Asia? (It would roughly make an even split of chores). Would you be OK to treat the "administrative" tasks? (i.e. receiving money or blank CDs, then post back to the requesters). Let me know, guys. Catch you later _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:55:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Nexus bootleg In a message dated 97-06-16 10:37:03 EDT, tmoses@blkbox.COM (Tiger Moses) writes: << Hey, email does not go direct to the address on your messages. Please put me down for a copy of the CD you'll be producing. To the rest of you, if you missed the 20th deadline and are a US resident, I can probably make 'reprints' for ya'll! send details about where to mail funds to the email above! >> PLEASE put me down for a cd!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:40:27 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com link hi, on sat, 14 jun, staggman wrote >E..and there's another brief audio file - not surprisingly of "Tour De >France" - though not from any of the vinyl versions. can anyone tell me, how to listen to all those audio files, connected to the kw-site??? i don't know this works (i've a sound card and loudspeakers :)) many thanks regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 13:52:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom807@aol.com Subject: (kw) NY Times 15 June The Sunday New York Times, Arts and Liesure section has a HUGE article on KRAFTWERK. The headline reads "Call Them the Beatles of Electronic Dance Music." A large photo from the TG accompanies the article tom807@aol.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:06:15 -0500 From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) Sender: owner-kraftwerk@xmission.com a meesage said: >>> As requests add up literaly by the hour, there's a slight change of plans. It is now clear that, unfortunately, I won't be able to provide free CDs for everyone (I would have liked very much this to be a free list item). As of this hour, I have a total of 34 requests. My guess is that it will be too much for Gunnar to burn alone. So what I suggest is now this: Why not Gunnar making the CD for Europe, and Tiger for the US and Asia? (It would roughly make an even split of chores). Would you be OK to treat the "administrative" tasks? (i.e. receiving money or blank CDs, then post back to the requesters). Let me know, guys. >>> Once I have a copy then I will notify folks and they can start sending blanks or funds at that time, but yes, I'll handle all that. What I am proposing, to avoids $ transfering, if people will send 2 blanks, I send them one back with the tunes, the other covers postage. At the same time, then I have a set of blanks when I get ready to produce my Kraftwerk Komputerwerks Bootleg (Multimedia, maybe). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:59:21 -0500 (CDT) From: klee@huitzilo.tezcat.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW videos Well, the real question is, who's got 'em :) I am looking for KW videos. By way of trade, I have numerous YMO, JMJ and Ryuichi Sakamoto videos. If anyone is interested in doing a trade, please let me know. I am very very interested. As for the CD - looks like Gunnar does Europe and Tiger does US/Asia. Sounds like a winner to me! (I can still burn using my copy after I receive it - for latecomers). klee@tezcat.com YMO Page: http://www.tezcat.com/~klee/ymo.html > Here we are! A list of some KW-videos: (Maybe not complete!) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > KRAFTWERK-Videos > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Die Mensch-Maschine", Special Musik-Szene, 1982, 20 min > Autobahn, Cartoon-Clip, complete > Trans-Europe Express, english, Clip > Trans-Europe Express, german, Clip > Neonlights, Clip > Die Roboter, Clip > The Robots, Clip > Das Modell, Clip, three different versions > The Model, Clip > The Model live in "Na sowas" > The Telephonecall, Clip, complete > Tour de France, Clip > Musique non Stop, Clip, complete > Live, early 70's, RAI (Truckstop Gondolero!) > The making of the Autobahn-clip > Radio-Activity, Clip > Pocket Calculator, Clip > Numbers/Computerworld 2 > Tour de France (Breakdance) > Tour de france, french, clip > Die Roboter '91 really live! in "Mensch Meier", ARD > The Robots '91 in "Top of the Pops", GB-TV > The Robots '91 in "Tomorrows World", GB-TV > English TV-Comercial for "The Mix" > Interview & concert-excerpts (London '91) in "P.O.P.", Tele 5 > Interview & concert-excerpts (London '91) in "Airplay", Premiere, diff.! > Bologna, Theatro Tivoli, 07.02.90, 45 min > "Stop Sellafield" Concert, 1992, 90min, w/ U2, Public Enemy, etc.. > Sheffield, City Hall, 16.07.91, 120 min > London, Brixton Academy, 19.07.91, 120 min > M|nchen, Circus Krone, 28.10.91, 92 min > Milano, Rolling Stone, w/italian Pocket Calculator, 17.11.91 > Leicester Polytechnikum, 18.06.92, 77 min > Osnabr|ck, Stadthalle, 27.05.93, 102 min > Interview & Videoclips in "Megamix", Arte, 31.01.93 > diff. Videoclips, "Lost in Music", 3Sat Mdrz '93 > Elektric Music, Interview, MTV-news weekend edition, 10.07.93,5 min > > Yours, Oliver > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: devine quijesuis Subject: (kw) Bootleg update Hi, As requests add up literaly by the hour, there's a slight change of plans. It is now clear that, unfortunately, I won't be able to provide free CDs for everyone (I would have liked very much this to be a free list item). As of this hour, I have a total of 34 requests. My guess is that it will be too much for Gunnar to burn alone. So what I suggest is now this: Why not Gunnar making the CD for Europe, and Tiger for the US and Asia? (It would roughly make an even split of chores). Would you be OK to treat the "administrative" tasks? (i.e. receiving money or blank CDs, then post back to the requesters). Let me know, guys. Catch you later _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:55:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Nexus bootleg In a message dated 97-06-16 10:37:03 EDT, tmoses@blkbox.COM (Tiger Moses) writes: << Hey, email does not go direct to the address on your messages. Please put me down for a copy of the CD you'll be producing. To the rest of you, if you missed the 20th deadline and are a US resident, I can probably make 'reprints' for ya'll! send details about where to mail funds to the email above! >> PLEASE put me down for a cd!!!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:45:39 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) KW Bootleg details "Mail System Error - Returned Mail" Nevermind. And put me on the list, please. jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:43:55 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) KW videos Thomas Morper wrote: > > does anyone have a list of KW videos that exist? more > > importantly, anyone got a compliation of these videos? it'd be > > brilliant to see them in action! > > Till today I've only seen the following videos (in loose order): > > - Das Modell (german/english) > - Musik Non Stop > - Die Roboter ('91-version, g/e?) > - Der Telefonanruf (e) > - Tour De France (g/f?) > - Pocket Calculator (live, english, seen on MTV's Alternative > Nation!!!) > - Trans Europa Express (g) > - Autobahn Clips for Antenna and Showroom Dummies exist too. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 02:33:45 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Record Stores in Berlin At 12:17 16/06/97 MET, you wrote: >In the week from the 28th of June till 7 July I will be staying in >Berlin. Does anybody know any good record stores where I could get >some Kraftwerk material that isn't avalaible in Holland? dear Stefan, I lived in Berlin for some month and sadly, as strange it may seem, I did not find a very lot of rarities on K. a lot of techno and remixes, but K themselves no. anyway, check the record shops in the Bergmanstrasse, Zossenerstrasse and their surroundings. the zone is nice for a walk too, a little bohemien. see the Bauhaus Museum. nothing to do with music but well worth a visit anyway. buy Zitty and Tips magazines, biweekly guides to this very very very lively, wonderful and various city, with a lot of ads, even regarding records shop. when you go shopping and clubbing collect flyiers and the very lot of free magazines about the city and night life you'll find everywhere and again look for the ads. it may seem different from what one could think, but I was adviced this way when it was my turn to ask, anyway I was told that it will be more likely to find the rarities we can be interested to in the largest chain shop than in the little maybe more intriguing shops. check the WOM close to the Kurfustendamm-Zoo-Europa Centrum (sorry to be not so precise, but you'll find it easily). a lot of standing headphones to listen to, too, and you can bring records to a desk where a guy will play them for you. a sort of miracle, to me. see if you can find another WOM store that is in a big arcade, sorry to be so vague... if you like electro industrial music etc. check the program of the Kulturfabrik Slaughterhouse, Cisch, Dunkelclub, if the places has remained the same. you'll find accurate details in the two mags I told you before. it was usual that during all the week I had to choose between two or three valid offers! one last advice, buy the 5DM bookplan of the public transportation services: thay are a little expensive but all worth it and will bring you wherever at any hour. hope some resident will give you more optimistical indications than mine about Kraftwerk findings! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 02:33:09 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) Rome concert, more than a rumour I was finally able to talk with someone at the teephone number given on the flyer that said a Kraftwerk (and other artists) performance will be held in Rome between june 21 and 22. the guys who answered told me that rhey are in touch with "Ian" of the Tribal Gathering, who promised Kraftwerk will be there. the best part of it is that K will play a "demonstrative concert" of only two pieces (TEE and Robot) in a sort of carriages parade! (so open air,= Klaus!) I tried to chat a while and the guy seemed to be serious. he also told me that anyway they could not afford to pay what K have asked to perform at the TG, that he said to be as much as 120 million liras (it sound huge but it's "only" about 73.000US$, 120.000 DM, 48.000 UK=A3 - Klaus, have you more reliable sources?).=20 I have also tried to assume a more official tone ("Hey, I'm going to report this to the Kraftwerk mailing list, you know, so I can't just refer a rumour...") and was reassured and invited to talk tuesday with the press agent of the story, that is what I will do tomorrow. Anyway I feel I'm not still going to bet a lot on this performance. I'll keep you informed...=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 17:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: devine quijesuis Subject: (kw) Bootleg final arrangements & details Ok folks, this is it. Here's what has been finally decided: since Gunnar had not only one, but TWO CD burners, he will make all the CDs. So that's fixed. Unfortunately, as I've said, I can't provide 40+ blank CDs (probably more by the end of the week). But I can advance some; meaning, I'll send a dozen this week to Gunnar with the original master, and he will return them ASAP. Thus, when I receive the first blank CDs from you, I can immediately send back, with no delay. So what you need to do is this: Each person who has sent me an email should send me a blank, professional CDR 74 minutes, and BE SURE THAT IN THE PACKAGE YOU INCLUDE YOUR NAME!! I already have your addresses. Apart from that, and because I'm not quite the good Cresus samaritan I always dreamed to be, I'll ask 25 French Francs from each of you (around US $5) for international postage fees, in currency. That is all. Please be sure to include them. I'll send back anyway if you forget (huh, shouldn't be saying this...;), but it'd be really cool to find them inside. For those of you who are in Sweden and Norway, I'll ask Gunnar to send you the stuff directly. The package you'll receive back will contain a full CD, color sleeve and all (huh, Dirk? ;). Ok, here's my address: Olivier Rongione 68 Avenue Simon Bolivar 75019 Paris France For any questions or doubts, you send me an email.(nexgen@rocketmail.com). _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 21:23:39 +0100 From: Dave Hiscock Subject: (kw) TG: Anyone know this record? Hi, I was in the Planet Earth tent during the Saturday afternoon at Tribal Gathering (prior to Sneaker Pimps), listening to a DJ (don't know his name). He played the 12" remix of Tour De France which sounded superb at high volume, then this track blended into another track with a similar tempo. I know it wasn't Kraftwerk, but it sounded pretty good to me anyway. There were no vocals if I remember rightly. Could anyone shed any light on who the record was by? Orbital possibly? Also when Kraftwerk played, did anyone else notice the strange vertical pencil-thin beard on Fritz's (or was it Henning's) beard? Very un-Kraftwerk!! Bye, Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 03:46:56 +0200 From: Gunnar R Johansson Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk-site http://kraftwerk.ml.org Not much, a news-section, au-files from TG (not Realaudio) and a big link-section to other Werkers out there. Check it out and spam me at webmaster@krafterk.ml.org /gunnar - yes, "that gunnar". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:15:11 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: Re: (kw) Dumb question time On Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:19:58 +0100 Craig Land writes: >Tubeway Army were definitely NOT to be classed as Synth Pop, they were >a >Punk/New Wave styled band which Gary formed with his best mate, the >late >Paul Gardiner and his uncle Jess Lidyard. Gary wrote typical punk >style >three minute songs with the one idea of getting signed to a record >label. > This he actually achieved with Beggars Banquet and then developed his >own >sound. well, im not gonna get into an argument with you over this...granted, his first lp was more "punk" in style but u gotta agree that as he progressed he became alot more "popish"...i mean, are u gonna call "down in the park" or " are friends electric?" punk? plus, i stated that i was uncomfortable with the term synth-pop, but how else would u describe him to someone who didnt have a clue? >Although Gary may have been influenced by Kraftwerk he also quotes >many >other influences such as David Bowie from the Aladin Sane era, purely >for >David's visuals, Gary quotes his favorite track as Cracked Actor. >Other >influences are T-Rex, Mott the Hoople etc., etc., u are correct... >Here's one for all the Numan freaks out there, my best friend has a >freight >forwarding business here in the UK, his partner went to school with >Gary >Numan (Webb), same class and everything. He says that Gary was >brilliant >at school with his creativity in art and music. Apparently Gary >totally >re-wrote the David Bowie show 'Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From >Mars' >for a school play, he directed the whole thing on his own. hes also a pilot, and has numerous crashes to his credit... >Finally, I cannot belive the message I received this morning asking >who is >Gary Numan?! If you have never heard of him then I suggest you go >down to >your local record store and try to order the compilation 'Exhibition' >ASAP. good choice... tom w [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:22:44 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Magazine Articles Hi KW obssessives!!!, Just been to my local magazine shop and found that UK MOJO magazine has a= huge spread on German bands, including a five page spread on Kraftwerk (w= ho are also pictured full page on the front cover!!!) News is increasing at an exponential rate............. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:40:27 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) kraftwerk.com link hi, on sat, 14 jun, staggman wrote >E..and there's another brief audio file - not surprisingly of "Tour De >France" - though not from any of the vinyl versions. can anyone tell me, how to listen to all those audio files, connected to the kw-site??? i don't know this works (i've a sound card and loudspeakers :)) many thanks regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:51:11 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Duplicate Postings? Blank CDs? KW News Group! More dumb questions/gripes: Am I the only one getting most of the last 2 days' postings 2 or 3 times EACH?? I guess that's better than missing any given message entirely.*shrug*. As for Blank CDs- I'm sure I'm not the only one who lives in a rural area where such luxuries can't be bought off the rack at a reasonable price. Wouldn't it be better/cheaper/easier on EVeryone if Gunnar and or Nexus could get ahold of 40 or so blank CDs in bulk and we each pay the cost for 1 CD + Postage? Another Gripe- I have to wait til Wednesday to read -(and copy)- this KW Article in Sunday's NY Times. Stupid Humboldt County "Cut-Backs" have forced shorter hours at the Library, -(Eureka, CA)-, so, now they're closed Sun/Mon AND Tues. I'm also anxious to get ahold of some books on Silk-Screening so I can figure out what it would take to build a screen-press and do my K-shirts, Posters, & various KW/TREK ArtWERK, etc.... Alas, poverty sucks. Hm-m, maybe I WILL sell my Tubeway Army album after all. I'm DESperate! Make me an offer and I'll consider it. -(see my previous post)- Email me! BTW: That E.Cafe gif on the alt.binaries.pictures News Group is EXcellent! Nice WERK, Darren! It's WORTH wading through all the SPAM. -(Subject sort for "Kraftwerk.gif" or Darren Barwise's name.)- There's also the uwp.maillist.kraftwerk News Group, where I posted a few drawings and Articles from my K-philes. Check it out. You can post your fotos THERE, too, -(mine are still there, last I checked. Keep 'em small, and it's not a problem.)-, and we won't have to deal with SPAM! -(I saw 1 or 2 get rich schemes, but, that's it.)- This is OUR News Group. GO for it! Dueling Modems had a KW group, but, it died, and they're gonna start charging to subscribe to their news service soon, so, why not use uwp.maillist.kraftwerk to post pictures & articles & stuff? It's THERE. It's FREE. Let's USE it or LOSE it. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:12:58 -0600 From: Marco DuBose Subject: (kw) Nexus CD It looks like this is a common message! My e-mail to also bounced. Please put me down for a copy of the CD and let me know what the postage and cost requirements are. Thanks, Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:03:22 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: RE: (kw) KW videos I do not have any Ryuichi Sakamoto videos, but I do have a box set of CD's, all albums. Interested? Craig - ---------- From: klee@huitzilo.tezcat.com[SMTP:klee@huitzilo.tezcat.com] Sent: 16 June 1997 18:59 To: olihebel@hrz1.hrz.th-darmstadt.de Cc: kraftwerk@xmission.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW videos Well, the real question is, who's got 'em :) I am looking for KW videos. By way of trade, I have numerous YMO, JMJ and Ryuichi Sakamoto videos. If anyone is interested in doing a trade, please let me know. I am very very interested. As for the CD - looks like Gunnar does Europe and Tiger does US/Asia. Sounds like a winner to me! (I can still burn using my copy after I receive it - for latecomers). klee@tezcat.com YMO Page: http://www.tezcat.com/~klee/ymo.html > Here we are! A list of some KW-videos: (Maybe not complete!) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > KRAFTWERK-Videos > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Die Mensch-Maschine", Special Musik-Szene, 1982, 20 min > Autobahn, Cartoon-Clip, complete > Trans-Europe Express, english, Clip > Trans-Europe Express, german, Clip > Neonlights, Clip > Die Roboter, Clip > The Robots, Clip > Das Modell, Clip, three different versions > The Model, Clip > The Model live in "Na sowas" > The Telephonecall, Clip, complete > Tour de France, Clip > Musique non Stop, Clip, complete > Live, early 70's, RAI (Truckstop Gondolero!) > The making of the Autobahn-clip > Radio-Activity, Clip > Pocket Calculator, Clip > Numbers/Computerworld 2 > Tour de France (Breakdance) > Tour de france, french, clip > Die Roboter '91 really live! in "Mensch Meier", ARD > The Robots '91 in "Top of the Pops", GB-TV > The Robots '91 in "Tomorrows World", GB-TV > English TV-Comercial for "The Mix" > Interview & concert-excerpts (London '91) in "P.O.P.", Tele 5 > Interview & concert-excerpts (London '91) in "Airplay", Premiere, diff.! > Bologna, Theatro Tivoli, 07.02.90, 45 min > "Stop Sellafield" Concert, 1992, 90min, w/ U2, Public Enemy, etc.. > Sheffield, City Hall, 16.07.91, 120 min > London, Brixton Academy, 19.07.91, 120 min > M|nchen, Circus Krone, 28.10.91, 92 min > Milano, Rolling Stone, w/italian Pocket Calculator, 17.11.91 > Leicester Polytechnikum, 18.06.92, 77 min > Osnabr|ck, Stadthalle, 27.05.93, 102 min > Interview & Videoclips in "Megamix", Arte, 31.01.93 > diff. Videoclips, "Lost in Music", 3Sat Mdrz '93 > Elektric Music, Interview, MTV-news weekend edition, 10.07.93,5 min > > Yours, Oliver > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 04:15:47 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re:- (kw) Magazine Articles Message text written by Julian Seifert >Hi KW obssessives!!!, Just been to my local magazine shop and found that UK MOJO magazine has a= huge spread on German bands, including a five page spread on Kraftwerk (w= ho are also pictured full page on the front cover!!!) News is increasing at an exponential rate............. Jules< ??? Sorry Listers, I sent this mail about a month ago!! = It seems that my missing posts are coming back to haunt me!!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:05:12 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: RE: (kw) Bootleg final arrangements & details In short, I can get hold of the 'Gold' discs at trade price here in the UK. They are the Gold on Green type manufactured by TDK. My cost is L2.50 each disc. Is this any use to you or other list members? Regards, Craig. - ---------- From: devine quijesuis[SMTP:nexgen@rocketmail.com] Sent: 17 June 1997 03:04 To: Craig Land Subject: RE: (kw) Bootleg final arrangements & details I'm afraid I didn't get it. What were you saying? btw, I need your snail mail address, if you want a copy. - ---Craig Land wrote: > > See my previous mail about supply of 'Gold' discs. > > Craig. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:56:24 -0300 From: Carlos Jose Quinteiro Subject: RE: (kw) Bootleg final arrangements & details This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC7AFC.56C660C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends; Why not to determine a total price (including the CD and postage) for the bootleg? Can we just send you the currency by air mail? If you really have dificulties to obtain a lot of blank CDs we can wait! I really don't know details about blank CDs neither places to buy one, so I worried about made some rubish... =8-(( Sorry for the ignorance, but maybe I'm not the unique... Bye!! ************************************************************ """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br Rua Frei Caneca 11 ap. 21 Consolacao 01307-001 Sao Paulo SP Brasil """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ************************************************************* - ---------- From: devine quijesuis[SMTP:nexgen@rocketmail.com] Sent: Segunda-feira, 16 de Junho de 1997 21:16 To: kraftwerk@xmission.com Subject: (kw) Bootleg final arrangements & details Ok folks, this is it. Here's what has been finally decided: since Gunnar had not only one, but TWO CD burners, he will make all the CDs. So that's fixed. Unfortunately, as I've said, I can't provide 40+ blank CDs (probably more by the end of the week). But I can advance some; meaning, I'll send a dozen this week to Gunnar with the original master, and he will return them ASAP. Thus, when I receive the first blank CDs from you, I can immediately send back, with no delay. So what you need to do is this: Each person who has sent me an email should send me a blank, professional CDR 74 minutes, and BE SURE THAT IN THE PACKAGE YOU INCLUDE YOUR NAME!! I already have your addresses. Apart from that, and because I'm not quite the good Cresus samaritan I always dreamed to be, I'll ask 25 French Francs from each of you (around US $5) for international postage fees, in currency. That is all. Please be sure to include them. I'll send back anyway if you forget (huh, shouldn't be saying this...;), but it'd be really cool to find them inside. For those of you who are in Sweden and Norway, I'll ask Gunnar to send you the stuff directly. The package you'll receive back will contain a full CD, color sleeve and all (huh, Dirk? ;). Ok, here's my address: Olivier Rongione 68 Avenue Simon Bolivar 75019 Paris France For any questions or doubts, you send me an email.(nexgen@rocketmail.com). _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. 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# Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:29:11 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) GOOD PIPES ON NEXUS ... This is for all fellow listmembers : Yesterday I=B4d been chatting in ( on ? ) #kraftwerk with NEXUS and he was kind enough to send me the front- and backsleeves of the CD he=B4s currently "producing" ;-) T H E Y A R E G R E A T !!!!!!!!!!!! I won=B4t tell any secrets ;-) but I am shure you=B4ll all love it.=20 Just this - it=B4s got something to do with five rings . . . .=20 Certainly - this is only my opinion, but I wanted to thank him in any form, as this sleeve shurely has taken an awful lot of time to "compute". Thats all for now.=20 BTW : Nexus - I=B4ll send two AUDIO CDR as promised & a tape containing some of my "Werks"=20 P.S. Julius ( my dog ) is currently listening to DAS MODELL .... well .... he seems to love it !!!! :D Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name : dirk fellhauer =20 mail : d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page : http://www.rhenania.com/Voice age : 28 =20 starsign : pisces =20 alias : Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:45:01 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) I have a dream . . . Hi folks ! As we have several musicians connected to the mailing list, I=B4d like to propose the following. What about doing a remake of "MAN MACHINE" together ? We could exchange some sequences (mid-files), edit them, put them together e.t.c. e.t.c and afterwards put them on "real" synthesizer and machines, record the stuff ( there are several Werkers, including me equipped with the right stuff to do this ) and producing sort of "Mailing-List-Tribute to KW" I actualy does not have to be MAN MACHINE - it could be anything. It=B4s jus= t the idea. Okay - several things ( and (copy)-rights ) needed to be looked at closer when we start doing this. But I don=B4t think that there will be problems as long as we put Florian and Ralf and KRAFTWERK on the "COMPOSERS ARE :" -= line. I started working on an I.E.M.P: ( Internet Electronic Music Project ) about a year ago, but it wasn=B4t that succesfull as I have only thrown this idea into the intranet of our school/university and there weren=B4t really creative ....;-( So - tell me what you think about it. If you agree with me that we should try it I could provide the old "project-strategy" that we=B4ve used last year. ( e.g. how and where to start - who=B4s doing what e.t.c. ) ELCTRRRRRRONICALLY YOURS, Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Tr=E4ger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name : dirk fellhauer =20 mail : d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page : http://www.rhenania.com/Voice age : 28 =20 starsign : pisces =20 alias : Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:19:58 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: (kw) I have a dream . . . >What about doing a remake of "MAN MACHINE" together ? We could exchange >some sequences (mid-files), edit them, put them together e.t.c. e.t.c and >afterwards put them on "real" synthesizer and machines, record the stuff >( there are several Werkers, including me equipped with the right stuff >to do this ) >and producing sort of "Mailing-List-Tribute to KW" I can't help- I am not a musician, I just wanted to say that the idea sounds excellent to me :-) What about a trance, Paul Van Dyk-like remake of Computer World!!!! Awesome!!!! Well, it's just an idea. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:45:54 -0400 From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) Rome concert, more than a rumour >to pay what K have asked to perform at the >TG, that he said to be as much as 120 million liras (it sound huge but i= t's >"only" about 73.000US$, 120.000 DM, 48.000 UKL - Klaus, have you more >reliable sources?). = So money can't be the matter why they declined to play longer. Example: A friend of mine, who is organizing raves and stuff, germans may know = "DIE PARTYSANEN" who are responsible for stuff like "rave and cruise" and= = the "boarder cross". Ok, this friend of mine talked to Kraftwerk at TG and afterwards and = discussed their appearance at the "Sunflower Rave", which takes place in = a Sunflower field and mainly has the same character as TG, but not beeing= = that big. It will be at 27th of july near Regensburg, check your local Partysan = magazine. Ok, I got carried away. So he talked to them and offererd 100.000 DM for = their appearance. But they refused to come at all. So if it is 100.000 or= = 120.000, I don't think that matters to them, there are obviously other = reason to refuse playing live. c ya = Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:37:03 +0100 From: Glen Subject: (kw) TG Celebrity/Wolfgang Flur In message , =?iso-8859-1?q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= writes >Did >anyone see any celebrities (music, or not) either offstage, or in the >crowd, or whatever? No one has mentioned any so far, but I thought I'd = >ask Detroit techno whizzkid Carl Craig, resplendent in white lab coat (if you haven't heard his "Landcrusing" album, by the way, go get it - the KW influence on that record is worn on the sleeve - one of the most exciting electronic records of the 90's). Did anyone see his/Paperclip People Detroit marquee set by the way? Neil Hannon from the Divine Comedy pushed his way to the front. Can't see any KW influence in his music but a fan is a fan and respect to him. On another note, Kosmiche, a "Krautrock" club in London appears to be exclusively previewing Wolfgang Flur's new project next month. Does anyone know more about this? - -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 15:31:17 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) I have a dream . . . .........or an Orbital "Are we here" - type version of Europe Endless!!! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: RE: (kw) I have a dream . . . From: Fermin Goiriz at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 17/6/97 15:00 >What about doing a remake of "MAN MACHINE" together ? We could exchange >some sequences (mid-files), edit them, put them together e.t.c. e.t.c and >afterwards put them on "real" synthesizer and machines, record the stuff >( there are several Werkers, including me equipped with the right stuff >to do this ) >and producing sort of "Mailing-List-Tribute to KW" I can't help- I am not a musician, I just wanted to say that the idea sounds excellent to me :-) What about a trance, Paul Van Dyk-like remake of Computer World!!!! Awesome!!!! Well, it's just an idea. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:21:21 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re[2]: (kw) I have a dream . . . Message text written by INTERNET:Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk >or an Orbital "Are we here" - type version of Europe Endless!!!< heheh. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:43:00 +0200 From: "Fermin Goiriz" Subject: RE: Re[3]: (kw) I have a dream . . . >.........or an Orbital "Are we here" - type version of Europe Endless!!! >___________________________________________________________________________ Yeah :-D! Or a Disciples Of Annihilation-type version of Neon Lights!!! 250 BPM!!!! :-D # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:11:28 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) A dream comes true ..... (?) First of all - some data got lost during the last connection. I received messages from Julian, Richard and Fermin. In case=20 some other guys tried to reply on the "I have a dream" message - please send your mails again. Okay - here=B4s how we could maybe start... 1. Finding out who=B4s a musician on the list 2. Trying to find a sound-standard / based on the sound cards you have 3. Discuss on what track we should start 4. Everyone should work on one up to two parts / sequences of the track. 5. After finishing them we should exchange those files so that everyone has the parts of all the Werker=B4s taking part in this "MIDI-NET" Basically I think we should all remember, that this is just an idea and not a competition ( I am saying this since some guys with whom I=B4ve done such a thing earlier ended up in screaming "MINE IS BETTER" "IGNORANT" "*#@QX YOU" and stuff like that. Everybody should feel free to input anything he wants to. Music and composing ( even if it=B4s concerning a "remake" ) is creativity and creativity needs no rules=20 ( except for the BPM=B4s :-D ) Let=B4s see this as a big Brainstorming, okay ?! Okay guys - exchange your ideas and tunes and sounds and waves and vibes and moods and electric - motion. ;-) Hope to hear you soon ! Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page http://www.rhenania.com/Voice age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:36:05 +0200 From: Lars Bull Subject: (kw) Poseurs... Hello all! My name is Lars and this is my first posting to this list. First of all; kudos to you guys who's going to provide us with the mentioned CD of Kraftwerk rarities. I have tried to contact some of you burners but I'm not sure I got through. I want one from one of you! How much and from who? Second; there's alot of talk about Numan, nice although I'm not a big fan. Mr Craig Land mentioned Telex and they are definately my cup of tea! I'm looking for people with info on their whereabouts these days and info in general as I'm thinking about putting up an unofficial WEB-site in homage to them. Please contact me directly if you have something interesting to provide. See ya around! Lars Bull "No RISC - No Fun" MacForum Foreningsgatan 31 411 27 Goteborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Fax: +46 31 721 31 01 Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:41:30 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Images Hello!!!=20 =20 As said before, the New York Times article about KW can be found at:=20 http://search.nytimes.com/search/daily/=20 (search for: guess who?)=20 =20 However, only members can view the picture (?), so if you are a=20 member...could you e-mail me the picture? (I cant afford $35 a=20 month...or whatever they wanted).=20 =20 I am also looking for stuff to add to my homepage! (Mats's Kraftwerk=20 Page)=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 http://www.student.gu.se/~maka0067=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: devine quijesuis Subject: (kw) "Olympic" Hi... Well, I'm happy to say that the first batch of blank CDs + original master has been sent today to Gunnar. He should have it, if the French Post's lazy bums are up to it, on Friday or Saturday. The album is called "Olympic". Sleeve features four cycle riders, represented by sparks and electric light, on a dark background. Nice stuff. Kraftwerk and Olympic letters look like engraved in hot plastic. Well... As for the administrative stuff... No offense, but nearly everyone has a different idea, so, for simplicity's sake, those are my last words on it :) Anyone able to send me a blank CD should do it, + 25 francs or $5. Anyone NOT able to send me a blank CD should send 60 francs, or $10. As I have told them in private mail, as it happens, the two ladies requesting the CDs are unable to get blank ones for various reasons, so they are being offered the blanks. Heck, we definitely have too few girls on the list, we should try to keep them, hmmmm? ;) I maintain that the last call for requests is Friday midnight, my time. Beyond this, those who have missed it will have to make other arrangements. I will post on saturday the complete list of the names of people who have sent requests to me. I, of course, will keep you informed on the proceedings once I get the CDs back from Gunnar (should be late next week before I start posting anything around the world, though). Keep your ears opened. Nexus (nexus@kraftwerk.ml.org) P.S.: I'm very sorry for those of you who tried to email me. As it happens, French ISPs are, ah, how shall I put it... amateurs. Now you understand why it got bounced. Fortunately, Gunnar being a ressourceful fellow, the address above should work. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:31:47 -0500 From: Tiger Moses Subject: Re:- (kw) Magazine Articles At 04:15 AM 6/17/97 -0400, you wrote: >Just been to my local magazine shop and found that UK MOJO magazine has a >huge spread on German bands, including a five page spread on Kraftwerk (who >are also pictured full page on the front cover!!!) > There are many post about magazine articles here and there. Can anyone scan these in and either OCR or just create images somewhere for us folks who don't have access to those magazine. I can volunteer drive space on a ftp site # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:19:41 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Record Stores in Berlin hi, At 12:17 16/06/97 MET, you wrote: >In the week from the 28th of June till 7 July I will be staying in=20 >Berlin. Does anybody know any good record stores where I could get=20 >some Kraftwerk material that isn't avalaible in Holland? visit the following ones: - - 2x2, Wilmersdorfer Str. 60/61 (few rarities in the front part of the=20 store, ask for singles in the back part) - - Music Train Records, Wielandstr. 45 / Ecke Kantstr. - - Concerto Records, Kaiser-Friedrich-Str. 35 - - Kroko, Bismarkstr. 60 above mentioned are all located in west berlin in the same area (s-bahn=20 charlottenburg) one in east-berlin (s-bahn greifswalder str.): Tausend Kl=E4nge, B=F6tzowstr. 32, (ask the owner for kw-records if you d= on't=20 find any in the shop. he sometimes offers south american, esp. brazilian,= =20 issues) berlin is, for german circumstances, a pretty expensive place to buy rare= =20 records, esp. kw regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:19:16 +1000 From: "Adam (L) Read" Subject: Re: (kw) I have a dream . . . Dirk V. Fellhauer wrote: > What about doing a remake of "MAN MACHINE" together ? We could > exchange > some sequences (mid-files), edit them, put them together e.t.c. e.t.c > and > afterwards put them on "real" synthesizer and machines, Excellent idea, I have been working on a version of 'Pocket Calculator' for some time now. This sort of project interests me a lot. I have a load of old 1970's synths and 1990's recording gear. Adam Read # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:19:21 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) .au version of TG At 12:34 13/06/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hello, > Just today I finished converting the Tribal Gathering concert Kraftwerk >set that was played on BBC 1 radio to .au (Sun audio) audio files. The size >of all the file put together is 22megs, and I am limited to 5 megs on my >web server. > > Is anyone out there willing to put these file on there web server where >they have more room? well, I have a very complicated idea. do you know about those providers like, for instance, geocities (www.geocities.com) - but there would be a lot other, that just give for free non commercial spaces of about 1 or 2 or even more Mb? I have already my 2M busy but could free a 500k or more. if other people take this free spaces then we can split this huge sample in volumes with any suitable compressor (say arj or rar) of a certain size and then propose a sort of web-gimkana to collect it... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:19:19 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) NYTimes 15 june I bought this New york times issue and find the very nice article on K, but hey, is this a normal size for a newspaper or is it a special issue? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:19:32 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) Rome concert, minor update having asked for more specifical detail, I was asked to call the press officer for the story, Gabriella Sassone, at a mobile telephone number that was busy all day long. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:27:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time In a message dated 97-06-17 01:18:47 EDT, fil-gh@merkurius.lu.se (Gustav Holmberg) writes: << > Speaking of John Foxx, look how he changed in music style when he left > Ultravox, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't the music press at the > time ridicule him a bit for copying Numan with tracks like Underpass, and > No-one Driving? Personally, I liked these tracks, but my favorite was an > instrumental piece which I would perform Robotic's to called Mr. X. Metamatic had a great cover. >> Foxx has 2 new,excellent cd's by the way that just came out!! And a 3rd new one any day. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:38:56 -0700 (PDT) From: devine quijesuis Subject: (kw) Bootleg address Folks, Here's my address again, as some people either missed it or else... Olivier Rongione 68 Avenue Simon Bolivar 75019 Paris France Olympic coming your way...;) 'later _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:51:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Ausbells@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time doesn't Gary Numan have his own mailing list? Personally, I'm just excited about Nexgen's CD. Or even the article in MOJO. Or still talk about Tribal Gathering. Just don't mention someone influenced by KW and talk about who THEY influenced and so forth............................Later true Kraftwerkers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Jun 97 15:07:18 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: RE: (kw) From station to station... Fermin Goiriz was saying: >Scott M. Barnhill wrote: >>they left off the last verse of the song: "from station to station back >>to dsseldorf city, meet iggy pop and david bowie." This verse was >>present in the original 1977 version of the song, so it prompted me to >>wonder if KW didn't want to continue to align themselves with the >>influences of yesterday, or perhaps it was just condensed for time. >I hope Kraftwerk don't like shitty Bowie anymore! His old stuff is fine, >but what he is doing now is just shit. Well, it's my opinion ;-) I don't want to impose things on folks, but I wish people would stop posting to the list saying "Uh, I think x is shit" or "I think y is crap". Can you either post more constructively, or keep these comments to yourself ? I certainly don't need to hear them. I'm here to discuss Kraftwerk. - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ "Recursion : see Recursion" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:57:20 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) NY Times 15 june >>> I bought this New york times issue and find the very nice article on K, but hey, is this a normal size for a newspaper or is it a special issue? <<< That's the Sunday edition--it's always huge, and it costs more than twice as much as the Monday-Saturday editions. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:14:08 +0100 From: Tobi Subject: (kw) Denki Groove Recently I was in Kyoto, Japan for a short time and I bought a CD from 'Denki Groove'* there. Probably one might get it also in Europe, but that should not bother us here. It is their latest release simply called 'A' and includes a track named 'Pocket Cowboy'. Well, anyone who knows that song might disagree, but I think there is a lot of Kraftwerk influence to find in it. Besides the title they also have those synthetic tremoli and a vocoder voice singing 'Come back pocket cowboy' (ok, it is quite different form the original, but however it is one!). I think 'Denki Groove' have a quite humorous attitude (as on the whole record) and I hope the list members here can share that. Gute Nacht, Tobi. - --------- * btw: I was told the japanese word 'denki' means 'electric'. Am I right that this is the same syllabe 'den' we all know from 'Dentaku' ??? Nofrontiere Design GmbH Zinckgasse 20-22 A-1150 Vienna Austria t +43-1-9855750 f +43-1-98557503 tobi@nofrontiere.com http://www.nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 04:18:13 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time Message text written by INTERNET:Ausbells@aol.com >doesn't Gary Numan have his own mailing list? Personally, I'm just excited about Nexgen's CD. Or even the article in MOJO. Or still talk about Tribal Gathering. Just don't mention someone influenced by KW and talk about wh= o THEY influenced and so forth............................Later true Kraftwerkers < Point Taken, although if you read the KW list info, you will find that th= e list is for the discussion of KW and related acts. So it technically was not off-subject. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:35:26 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) Don't Hassle Me Boy!! Dear All, I feel I must make a complaint to those that have, and you know who you are, hassled me about mentioning artists like Gary Numan on this list and that this list is for KW chat only. Well for all of you who are walking around with one track minds, the fact that Numan has spoken about KW and how they influenced him in certain ways should be vaild enough reason to include him. Afterall, I did not see any criticisms on the conversation matter when all the list seemed to talk about was Stockhausen and that terrible Beethoven intro used by KW. Come on people, there are other things to life than KW! I know, you are now saying that this list was created just for KW chat and for the enthusiasts, but isn't this what we are doing, just because we mention other artists along the way to substantiate what we say should make this list more interesting. Anyway, the chat on KW has been very limited of late, so rather than flaming me for mentioning Numan etc, why don't some of you come up with a suitable topic for conversation on KW? I suppose this also means that you do not want me to organize this Electronic Disco (80's Retro Event) via the list?! Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 08:52:56 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[6]: (kw) Dumb question time Yes Numan does have his own mailing list that I've just subscribed to. Sorry that you seem to imply that, because I and a few others on the list appreciate people other than Kraftwerk, we are not "true kraftwerkers" - whatever that means! Go on then say something about Tribal Gathering and I'm sure those of us that were there will contribute, hell we've written volumes already. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time From: Ausbells@aol.com at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 18/6/97 0:18 doesn't Gary Numan have his own mailing list? Personally, I'm just excited about Nexgen's CD. Or even the article in MOJO. Or still talk about Tribal Gathering. Just don't mention someone influenced by KW and talk about who THEY influenced and so forth............................Later true Kraftwerkers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 07:40:43 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: Re[4]: (kw) Dumb question time Message text written by INTERNET:Ausbells@aol.com >Just don't mention someone influenced by KW and talk about who THEY influenced and so forth............................Later true Kraftwerkers< PPS. Please, as Richard said, don't imply that anyone who has interests other than KW is not a 'true kraftwerker' I think a good lister should have an all-round experience of electronica,= in all its forms, to enable un-biased discussion on KW related topics. We= were merely mentioning Numan because he has an influence, like KW (but no= t as much), on the current music scene, and has referenced them. the origin= al posts were to that point, but people requested more info. Don't question our loyalties to this list please. some of us were at TG. Were you? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:50:00 +0900 From: Kaoru CHIDA-Fuji Subject: (kw) INFO FROM JAPAN Guten Abent! I introduce two japanese books to you. A book:"GERMAN-ELECTRO-REMIX" is going to out on 10 July, from MARQUEE Magazine-publishing Tokyo. * History and Discography of German Rock....* KRAFTWERK----special-edition, 27pages! The newest interviews with Wolfgang FLUR and Karl BARTOS! Especially, Wolf's interview----16pages! with some photos of furniture which he designed. (Provably, they are open to the public for the first time.) And the other book: "Rock Music of German---or Can, Faust, Kraftwerk---" This book was written by Masanori AKASHI. (He is a person who translated the Bussey's book:"Man, Machine & Music" into Japanese.) It is a very interesting criticism!! :) Wiederhoelen! KaoRu #---Sorry,I don't write English well. I hope you can read it... *** Kaoru CHIDA-Fujishima *** *** Madame Curie / Frau Kaoru BARTOS *** *** from Tokio with love xxx *** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:39:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frank Meijer Subject: [none] >It does not necessarily have to be hosted in Dusseldorf for it to be >Kraftwerk's, but remember that about a year ago Ralf and Florian successfully >sued another company for the right to use the www.kraftwerk.com domain name, >and it's also registered on the InterNIC as belonging to them and being >copyrighted by them. Does the fact that on the TG official t-shirts were sold with kraftwerk.com printed on them, not automatically mean the kraftwerk.com site is official? Seems very logical to me, what do you guys/girls think of that? Frank # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:08:06 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Re: kw.com Message text written by Frank Meijer >Does the fact that on the TG official t-shirts were sold with kraftwerk.com printed on them, not automatically mean the kraftwerk.com site is official? Seems ve= ry logical to me, what do you guys/girls think of that? < Doh! We never thougt of that!! ;-) Hehe. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:18:07 +0100 From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) RE: I got the impression that the shirts on sale at TG were nothing to do with KW, just a batch of shirts produced by a screen-printing company?! WDYT? Craig. - ---------- From: Frank Meijer[SMTP:vrank@dds.nl] Sent: 18 June 1997 15:39 To: kraftwerk@xmission.com >It does not necessarily have to be hosted in Dusseldorf for it to be >Kraftwerk's, but remember that about a year ago Ralf and Florian successfully >sued another company for the right to use the www.kraftwerk.com domain name, >and it's also registered on the InterNIC as belonging to them and being >copyrighted by them. Does the fact that on the TG official t-shirts were sold with kraftwerk.com printed on them, not automatically mean the kraftwerk.com site is official? Seems very logical to me, what do you guys/girls think of that? Frank # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:44:14 +0200 From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) RE: > I got the impression that the shirts on sale at TG were nothing to do with > KW, just a batch of shirts produced by a screen-printing company?! > > WDYT? > I got the same impression. I don't think these t-shirts are official. (especially the yellow-fluo radioactivity shirt, which looks nice for a techno/rave party, but strange for an official KW stuff...) Tim. - -- Timour JGENTI | Institut Francais du Petrole __ _______________|_______________________________________|____ ________ / timour.jgenti@ifp.fr | | __| / / http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ | | | # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:08:41 +0900 (JST) From: webmaster@31.com (Daisuke Miyagawa) Subject: Re: (kw) Denki Groove Hi,there, from Japan. At 10:14 AM 97.6.18, Tobi wrote: > * btw: I was told the japanese word 'denki' means 'electric'. Am I right > that this is the same syllabe 'den' we all know from 'Dentaku' ??? Yes, right! And your mentioning 'den',in kanji(Chinese characters), also means 'electric'. And 'taku' in 'Dentaku' means table. 'Dentaku' stands for 'DENshi TAKUjyou keisanki' ,which literally means electric(denshi) calculator(keisanki) on the table(takujyou). ______ 31.com from Tokyo, Japan __________________________ * 31.com -- art of words ( http://www.31.com ) * Daisuke Miyagawa ( mailto:webmaster@31.com ) _______________________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:02:11 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: (kw) RE: From station to station... > >I hope Kraftwerk don't like shitty Bowie anymore! His old stuff is fine, > >but what he is doing now is just shit. Well, it's my opinion ;-) > > I don't want to impose things on folks, but I wish people would stop posting > to the list saying "Uh, I think x is shit" or "I think y is crap". Can you > either post more constructively, or keep these comments to yourself ? I > certainly don't need to hear them. I'm here to discuss Kraftwerk. This list is about Kw and related artists. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:51:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frank Meijer Subject: (kw) tshirts and kraftwerk.com >I got the impression that the shirts on sale at TG were nothing to do with >KW, just a batch of shirts produced by a screen-printing company?! > >WDYT? > >Craig. I just wonder if Kraftwerk would allow that. It does not make much sense. The t-shirts were official so I guess Kraftwerk must have given their approval of it. Kraftwerk is not a kind of band that blindly wants to make money, and which is not interested in what would be printed on the t-shirts. Or do you think that Kraftwerk does not give a @$#% what is printed on the shirts? They have always been involved in the design of their albums, video-images etc. I just wonder. By the way, if Kraftwerk would decide, and not EMI or whatever, would they still be selling t-shirts? Or has it become a commercial necessity? Or is it a gesture to their fans, so they can proudly walk around in a Kraftwerk t-shirt? Or, on stage they wear all the same suits. Maybe it is their ideal that everybody on a concert wears the same t-shirts: yellow, blue and grey cycle-shirts? Would be fun for one time. They should give them away for free then! But it seems to me that the commercial aspect is most important here, and maybe yeah, the t-shirt printing company made the t-shirts without consulting Kraftwerk, and this would us not give any information whether or not kraftwerk.com is really official from Kraftwerk. Still, then there would be a little un-Kraftwerkish smell to all this. I can't help it. I mean, would Kraftwerk allow a website that pretends to be quite official, as it is now? (i mean, copyright by KlingKlang etc.). The only thing that I can think of is that a crazy fan has put this site up, and is hoping for a official letter of the KlingKlang company/EMI, signed by Ralf and Florian, which threatens to go to court if the site is not completely broken down. This fan would than have a very nice collectors item. Yeah, that must be it. I have found the answer. Frank # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:05:32 -0700 From: Philip Pilgrim Subject: (kw) ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) ) Hi all, This is an old dream of Anders Wilhelm and myself. I am going ahead with collecting the songs. We hope to straigthen out any legal issues soon. Netwerk: A collection of Kraftwerk songs as revised and interpreted by electronic musicians on the net. As Anders and I never worked out specific details, here are some possible ideas: 1. Songs shall be restricted to use of electronic instruments and voice (ie no heavy metal man machine) 2. Songs shall be limited to 4.5min max length. 3. Songs shall be done in the spirit of "The Mix". 4. Submissions shall be mailed to me at the address below. 5. When cleared, songs will be posted on Ander's famous INFOBAHR web page. 6. Efforts will be made to send a copy to Kling Klang for their (hopefully) enjoyment. 7. Cd-r's will be burned for all involved (pending copyright clearing). 8. Attempts will be made to onpasss the work to a record label (pending all the legal red tape). 9. There are no formal deadlines for submissions however I expect by Aug to Sept we shall have sufficient submissions. 10.The project will be non profit. A small fee to cover cd-r and postage may be needed if we are permitted to continue that far. As well, If we are fortunate to take this to a record label, then profits will go to a suitable chartity (hopefully one picked by Kraftwerk). A sketchy webdesign, it is available at http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/netwerk Best Regrads Philip Pilgrim - -- Philip Pilgrim The Lab Audio Works 5 Evan's Drive - Analog/Digital Recording/Processing Hammond's Plains - Acoustic Analysis and Consulting Nova Scotia, Canada - Analog Synth Modification and Repair B4B 1M8 - Computer/Synth Interfacing - Hardware/Software Development Phone +1.902.835.7844 pilgrim@atcon.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 21:19:30 +0200 From: webmaster Subject: (kw) Front- and backsleeves of the "Olympic-CD" You can now find the front- and backsleeves of the "Olympic-CD" that Nexus is producing at http://kraftwerk.ml.org You can also register your Internet e-mail address at the bottom of the news-page to receive e-mail when the page is updated. - ---------------------"You're so close but far away"--------------------- * http://kraftwerk.ml.org News, Files, Links * * webmaster@kraftwerk.ml.org and some Boom Tschak * - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 15:35:59 -0400 From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Kurzweil Reader? All, A friend of mine who is blind was visiting recently, who, unfortunately, hasn't really been exposed to Kraftwerk. I was playing a selection of tunes for him when I played 'Techno Pop' from Electric Cafe. He says that the voice that says "Music. Non Stop. Techno Pop." is produced by something called a Kurzweil Reader, a scanner like device that allows the blind to "read". Apparently a book, magazine or single document can be scanned by this reader and the text is spoken out loud by a voice synthesizer - the same one in the song. I've heard of Kurzweil (spelling?) but thought it was an elaborate sampler/synthesizer. Can anyone confirm this? Bruce ---- Bruce M. Lloyd, bml@bgi.on.ca http://www.geocities.com/~brucelloyd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:23:11 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: Re: (kw) ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) ) At 16:05 18.06.1997 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, > >This is an old dream of Anders Wilhelm and myself. I am going ahead >with collecting the songs. We hope to straigthen out any legal issues >soon. > >Netwerk: >A collection of Kraftwerk songs as revised and interpreted by electronic=20 >musicians on the net. As Anders and I never worked out specific details, >here are some possible ideas: > >1. Songs shall be restricted to use of electronic instruments and voice > (ie no heavy metal man machine) >2. Songs shall be limited to 4.5min max length. >3. Songs shall be done in the spirit of "The Mix". >4. Submissions shall be mailed to me at the address below. >5. When cleared, songs will be posted on Ander's famous INFOBAHR web page. >6. Efforts will be made to send a copy to Kling Klang for their (hopefully) enjoyment. >7. Cd-r's will be burned for all involved (pending copyright clearing). >8. Attempts will be made to onpasss the work to a record label (pending all the legal > red tape). >9. There are no formal deadlines for submissions however I expect by Aug to Sept we shall > have sufficient submissions.=20 >10.The project will be non profit. A small fee to cover cd-r and postage may be needed if we > are permitted to continue that far. As well, If we are fortunate to take this to a record > label, then profits will go to a suitable chartity (hopefully one picked by Kraftwerk). > >A sketchy webdesign, it is available at= http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/netwerk > > >Best Regrads >Philip Pilgrim > > Well, I think that=B4s it ! But I would rather like us to do it together ( networked creativity ) and maybe, that there should be no "style" limits e.g. It doesn=B4t absolutely need to sound like "The Mix" as I believe, that The Mix must not be the only way of being creative on Kraftwerk Material. Certainly - non profit ! I would prefer to wait with eventual Marketing activities as there are several other ways we can push the collection on the market. What I would like to throw in the "idea"-pot is that we maybe should work out the following steps ( as I said - just an idea ! ) : 1. Discussing on the tracks we would like to "remake " ( maybe by a voting of the list-memebers ) 2. Find out WHO is capable of giving musical input 3. Finding a sound-standard for everybody involved ( SB16, SB32, SB64, PCM .... ) so that we have the tracks on midi-file bases 4. Then follows editing, mixing, enhancing of the arrangements 5. These results shall then be given to one of our studios ( I think we have several musicians here ... )=20 6. Maybe ( if possible ) organize a meeting, where we all could work on the process of sound-finding and recording/producing the tracks. 7.-1001. (hehe) marketing activities ... But I am very very glad, that there out folks out there sharing this idea= !!! SEE YA ! Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page http://www.rhenania.com/Voice age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: devine quijesuis Subject: (kw) Kurzweil reader If I remember correctly, the Kurzweil reader was developped specifically for, or with the help of, Stevie Wonder... >From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" >I've heard of Kurzweil (spelling?) but thought it was an elaborate >sampler/synthesizer. Can anyone confirm this? _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 19:22:23 +0200 From: "Arnaud de Bonald" Subject: (kw) KW: listen to my cover of the Model! Hi all, I've done a cover of the Model in English (Music & Voice). This is my very first attempt so it isn't so good. To listen to it, point your browser to: http://myftp.worldnet.net/bonald/public/music/themodel.mp3 The file size is 1.6 MB. Regards from Paris, Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:13:36 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW covers, etc. Has anyone ever heard Siouxie & the Banshees's cover of "Through the Looking Glass"? I heard it in a bookstore recently, and after asking what album the track was off of, I told the woman behind the desk it was originally a KW song, and she looked at me like I was crazy--as if to say the old phrase that makes our teeth grind: "Who's Kraftwerk?" Can anyone give me information on the group (?) Oval? Who are they? I have the album "94diskont.," and I think the track "Do While" is absolutely brilliant. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:29:07 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) RE: From station to station... >>> I hope Kraftwerk don't like shitty Bowie anymore! His old stuff is >>> fine, but what he is doing now is just shit. Well, it's my opinion >>> ;-) >> >> I don't want to impose things on folks, but I wish people would stop >> posting to the list saying "Uh, I think x is shit" or "I think y is >> crap". Can you either post more constructively, or keep these comments >> to yourself ? I certainly don't need to hear them. I'm here to discuss >> Kraftwerk. > > This list is about Kw and related artists. I think Brendan's is saying that if the best criticism of an artist you can come up with is on the level of "X SUCKS!@##@", you should consider not wasting our time with it. (And if that *is* what he's saying, I agree with him -- if I want Beavis and Butt-Head, I'll watch it on TV.) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:26:30 -0600 From: robotkl@earthlink.net (KL) Subject: (kw) music Dirk V. Fellhauer wrote: > What about doing a remake of "MAN MACHINE" together ? We could > exchange > some sequences (mid-files), edit them, put them together e.t.c. e.t.c > and > afterwards put them on "real" synthesizer and machines, I too am interested. I have already created a version of space lab that will appear on my 6th album. Kevin Lux ______________________________________________________ http://members.aol.com/KevinL1712/Music/KevinLux2.html Robot Music is now a reality!!!!!!!!! ______________________________________________________ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:55:57 -0700 From: Rui Inacio Subject: [none] Does anyone else have been getting the digests incomplete? Everything else comes fine, just this one is cut... (8^( I've tried to reach the list admin. but to no avail... Rui Inacio. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:24:50 -0500 From: dacc@soltec.net (DAC Crowell) Subject: (kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) ) Let's bring up a point here...first, we get... At 16:05 18/6/1997 -0700, Philip Pilgrim wrote: >Netwerk: >A collection of Kraftwerk songs as revised and interpreted by electronic >musicians on the net. As Anders and I never worked out specific details, >here are some possible ideas: OK...this is all well and good thus far, as said, 'possible ideas' and 'revised and interpreted by electronic musicians on the net'. However... >1. Songs shall be restricted to use of electronic instruments and voice > (ie no heavy metal man machine) >2. Songs shall be limited to 4.5min max length. >3. Songs shall be done in the spirit of "The Mix". [snip!] Uhhhh...if we take these first three rules at face value, shouldn't the opening _then_ be 'revised and interpreted by electronic musicians on the net _as per OUR rules_'? This is a nice sentiment, especially with the charity angle and all of that, but rules 1-3 are pure stinkburger if you want original interpretations. Let's slam these one by one... >1. Songs shall be restricted to use of electronic instruments and voice > (ie no heavy metal man machine) OK. This therefore even disqualifies Kraftwerk themselves. Remember kids, "1", "2", "Ralf und Florian" and even "Autobahn" used guitars, flutes, and other very much not exactly electronic things. What if I wanted to revise "Ruckzuck"? No flutes, right? Toss that one. What about, say..."Ananas Symphonie". Yep...chuck that customized steel guitar of Florian's the _hell_ out of there. "Mitternacht"? No violins! No can do! Just keep in mind this point: Kraftwerk did nine albums, not counting the rehashing on "The Mix". Of these, only five are pure electronics. Slightly over half. >2. Songs shall be limited to 4.5min max length. To borrow a term from "The Young Ones", this is a really 'graet' rule. How many Kraftwerk tunes do _you_ know that clock in at 4:30 in their original versions? Sort of tosses the idea of doing any sort of _extension_ of Kraftwerk's ideas out the window...and forces anyone on this to actually _truncate_ the tunes. My music sense flags this with a heap big "SUCKO". >3. Songs shall be done in the spirit of "The Mix". And continuing in that "SUCKO" vein is this rule. Yep. Kraftwerk was about nothing but dance music. Twist and frug to something like "Vom Himmel Hoch" or "Heimatklange" sometime. Or about half of the "Radioaktivitat" album. To do something that consists of nothing but dance rehashes denies a good part of Kraftwerk's _experimental_ work...which in the end analysis is probably just as important as their contributions to electronic dance music. But no...here it's 'stick to the hits'... Now, I'm not saying that this isn't a good idea, even with all of the other Kraftwerk-retread projects of varying success as of late. It could be interesting. But to me, one of the _most_ interesting and actually thought-provoking Kraftwerk redux projects was the Balinescu Quartet's album of Kraftwerk covers, which did a lot to show the connections between their music and aspects of _classical_ composition. But that wouldn't be kosher here, judging from these interpretation-controlling regulations. And, to be really blunt, if you _wanted_ to take a different tack on Kraftwerk's music with this project...you couldn't. You're stuck in pure electronics, short tracks, and apparently you have to stick to a danceable beat. Little or no room for new directions here, folks. As a longtime proponent of Kraftwerk, I can't recommend this...it's a doctrinaire approach to a band that did everything (at least up to "The Mix") in a very UNdoctrinaire manner. My $.02... ==========================\ And what is the purpose of writing music? One is, | of course, not dealing with purposes but dealing DAC Crowell | with sounds. Or the answer must take the form of The Aerodyne Works Studio | paradox: a purposeful purposelessness or a pur- for Electronic Music | poseless play. This play, however, is an affir- Champaign, Illinois, USA | mation of life - not an attempt to bring order dacc@soltec.com or | out of chaos nor to suggest improvements in cre- dacc@prairienet.org | ation, but simply a way of waking up to the very http://hyperreal.com/ | life we're living, which is so excellent once one music/artists/dac_crowell | gets one's mind and one's desires out of its way | and lets it act of its own accord. ==========================/ -- John Cage: "Experimental Music", 1955 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:03:45 -0700 From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) KW covers, etc. Adam Schefflan wrote: > Has anyone ever heard Siouxie & the Banshees's cover of "Through the > Looking Glass"? I heard it in a bookstore recently, and after asking > what album the track was off of, First you say you never heard of Gary Numan and now also Siouxie's version of Looking Glass... Which planet are you from? :-))) |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:50:25 MET-2MED From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) ) On 18-Jun-97 A.D., DAC Crowell carved the following runes about "(kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) )": > [... stuff most of those rules ...] > My $.02... And those were very well spent 2 cents too IMHO! "The Mix-style" - hmmph! Gerade aus! - -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 03:34:19 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kurzweil reader >>I've heard of Kurzweil (spelling?) but thought it was an elaborate >>sampler/synthesizer. Can anyone confirm this? well, afaik Kurzweil is a firm involved in various activities in the filed of digital electronics, from long time before they become famous in the electronic music instrument market, and all their activities have wide common areas. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 03:34:00 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) t-shirt? >Does the fact that on the TG official t-shirts were sold with kraftwerk.com >printed on so there ARE "official" Kraftwerk-related t-shirt? t's too late to obtain one? any hints? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 03:34:07 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) Rome, bad news those bastards don't even know what they're talking about. I finally had success in talking to a "responsible" for this event. she said that 90% of the acts were confirmed. when I specifically asked about K, she said she did not know and let me talk with another one again, then another one etc. then at last one who enthusiastically repeated me that yes, 90% of the acts ecc. I specifically asked for K and as I insisted he shifted from enthusiast to vague to arrogant, like "who are you-why do you care-which magazine are you writing for". now I have the very luck to be omonimous of an uncle of mine that was an old beast in roman journalism and I am very able to play the pissed vip on the telephon. I also cited my reVision internet fanzine, sleeping from march, but in this 3rd world that is Rome telling you work for an Internet magazine still has its catch. anyway the final story they told me is: "the guys who actually manage all the contacts to organize Kraftwerk are not there, they work here but I don't know if and when they'll ever show themsleves here and I don't have their contacts". I leaved my tel numbers, implicitly "menacing" that if they don't call me back in 24 hours I'll reveal to the world with the powerful means offered by the net how false, stupid and, "ah, how should I put it... amateurs" they are (thanks Olivier!). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:02:29 +0200 From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) Subject: (kw) GOOD PIPES ON NEXUS/Reports >This is for all fellow listmembers : >Yesterday I=B4d been chatting in ( on ? ) #kraftwerk with NEXUS and he w= as >kind enough to send me the front- and backsleeves of the CD he=B4s >currently >"producing" ;-) >T H E Y A R E G R E A T !!!!!!!!!!!! From a friend of mine i heard that the new song which was presented at TG should sound like 'Europe Endless'...let's hope the new songs are as great as the cover! For all KW-ers in Europe: Look out for the German Magazines 'Musikexpress' and 'Zillo'. Both feature a report about Kraftwerk! Sorry for my english which is not the best... Georgie Georg Jajus Patrizigasse 14/25 A-1210 Vienna - --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 03:35:39 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Kurzweil Reader? Bruce M. Lloyd wrote: > A friend of mine who is blind was visiting recently, who, > unfortunately, hasn't really been exposed to Kraftwerk. I was playing > a selection of tunes for him when I played 'Techno Pop' from Electric > Cafe. > > He says that the voice that says "Music. Non Stop. Techno Pop." is > produced by something called a Kurzweil Reader, a scanner like device > that allows the blind to "read". Apparently a book, magazine or > single document can be scanned by this reader and the text is spoken > out loud by a voice synthesizer - the same one in the song. > > I've heard of Kurzweil (spelling?) but thought it was an elaborate > sampler/synthesizer. Can anyone confirm this? Raymond Kurzweil has founded a number of companies (including, I think, Kurzweil/Young Chang, the makers of the widely known samplers/synths) and he indeed developed the first print-to-speech reading machine for the blind, among countless other electronic artifacts of the genre. Regards. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 03:46:37 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) ) If this project is to be something "official" with regards to copyrights and such, maybe the name should be changed... there is a label in Canada named Nettwerk, which curiously has artists in the vein of Kraftwerk. Maybe a new name, that will not be misunderstood with something already existing? Regards. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 08:33:40 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) GOOD PIPES ON NEXUS/Reports I think I can say, that without any shadow of a doubt the new song debuted at Tribal Gathering IN NO WAY resembled Europe Endless!! (Which happens to be one of their most beautiful compositions I reckon) I thank you. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: (kw) GOOD PIPES ON NEXUS/Reports From: Georg.Jajus@blackbox.at (Georg Jajus) at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 19/6/97 2:09 >This is for all fellow listmembers : >Yesterday I=B4d been chatting in ( on ? ) #kraftwerk with NEXUS and he w= as >kind enough to send me the front- and backsleeves of the CD he=B4s >currently >"producing" ;-) >T H E Y A R E G R E A T !!!!!!!!!!!! From a friend of mine i heard that the new song which was presented at TG should sound like 'Europe Endless'...let's hope the new songs are as great as the cover! For all KW-ers in Europe: Look out for the German Magazines 'Musikexpress' and 'Zillo'. Both feature a report about Kraftwerk! Sorry for my english which is not the best... Georgie Georg Jajus Patrizigasse 14/25 A-1210 Vienna - --=20 ***********************Black*Box Online Community*********************** * palazzo - die virtuelle Bastelwelt | http://www.blackbox.at/palazzo/ * ************************************************************************ Black*Box FirstClass BBS: +43-1-4073132 (Modem) | http://www.blackbox.at # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:08:52 +0200 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?=" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Posters Online There are two Kraftwerk posters at http://www.concertposter.com. They are $3.99 each. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:18:39 +0100 From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) KW covers, etc. Adam Schefflan wrote: > Can anyone give me information on the group (?) Oval? Who are they? I > have the album "94diskont.," and I think the track "Do While" is > absolutely brilliant. Peace. I love that track! Unfortunately I cannot tell you any names or numbers about the group. As far as I know they are from Germany, on the former album they sung in german -- in some weird arty-farty, but nevertheless funny poetry. I consider them as quite important because they really got into it developing a musical concept with the idea of using the errors a cd audio player produces with damaged cds etc. Although I think 94diskont is the more interesting one, the former release illustrates this concept much better. Does someone know more about them? Best, Tobi. ps: let the people evolve. Nofrontiere Design GmbH Zinckgasse 20-22 A-1150 Vienna Austria t +43-1-9855750 f +43-1-98557503 tobi@nofrontiere.com http://www.nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:59:21 +0100 From: Mike Morgan Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk , mobile phones , Man machine remakes & CDR's Here are a few items that may be of interest.... Not in any order 1) My Nokia 9000 mobile phone plays radioactivity when it rings. I like = it but it drives everyone else mad.=20 2) I have a CDR. 3) I'm glad Kraftwerk have a web site, pity it is so dull. I guess this = means that they have some form of acknowledgement of their fans. 4) As for unusual kraftwerk material. I have some very unusual Kraftwerk = items. I have a copy of "the man machine remade." A completely digitally = remixed CD of the man machine most of it is really fabulous. A couple of = the tracks are a bit like "real 2 real" though. It includes a great = version of "tour de france" which dare is say is better than the = original. ( God I hope ralph and florian don't read this" ) I can tell you what the track listing is if anyone is interested..... I also have some other great remixes of kraftwerk material that were = done for Dj's including the razormaid remixes of telephone call. I = think my favourite is a wonderful remix of numbers and some other stuff = released last year which has totally updated the sound turning it into a = really hard dance floor mix. This went under the name of "Don Werk" = remixed by Phat Headz 3 (mannequins mix to be precise) It is wonderful. = Then there is the really odd stuff. Like the technopop stuff. Personally = I prefer the technopop version's of things like sex object to the final = version. Somehow they seem more .... Raw , imperfect and I guess Human.=20 Also I have some interesting cover versions. I picked up an obscure 12" = which had a version of autobahn by Eskimo's and Egypt on it. A version = which I think is really is better than Kraftwerk's updated remix. I = have another CD called Trancewerk express vol 1 consisting of covers in = a trance / techno style but this is a bit disappointing, All of this stuff was purchased in places like Berlin, Brussels and = Amsterdam and a record market in London with the exception of the DJ = stuff which is a DJ only USA subscription service.=20 If only Kraftwerk did not keep us waiting for 12 years and more to hear = even one new piece of material then I guess fans would not be so = desperate to get hold of this material, which, I guess, does not give = them much if anything in the way of royalties.=20 I am interested to know if there are any totally remixed albums of = kraftwerk material out there. But really I'd just like Kraftwerk to have = the guts to release something new. Hope all of this might be of interest.... Mike=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:28:35 +0200 From: Farki Subject: (kw) Vangelis Hello! - -Sorry for off-topic- I'm searching for these bootlegs: Vangelis - Bounty Vangelis - Bladerunner (original version) (not the orchestral /'82/, and not the re-released /'94/ versions) Is there any information? Thanks... - Farki - novitax@mail.datanet.hu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:20:52 MET From: "STEINBORN JENS" Subject: (kw) Olympic Design Hi! Unfortunatly I've deleted the message: can anybody tell me again where I can find the cover design of nexus' olympic-cd-bootleg-thing? Thanks Jens PS: in future I will read ALL messages carefully before deleting them :-)) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Jun 97 14:57:00 EDT From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: (kw) TG97 new song wav I have a mono copy of around 30 seconds of kw's new song from TG 97 as copied from MTV a couple of weeks ago. Mail me privately if you want a copy. It's about 773 kb in length. Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 13:51:18 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk , mobile phones , Man machine remakes & C Two points: 1, Only the rich own a Nokia 9000 (that is the one that is also an electronic organiser with net and e-mail facilities isn't it?)!! 2, The CD Shone Neu Welt is mainly remixed stuff, some of which (like the DJ rap mix of The Robots) is very poor. Ultra Rare Trax is also a really disappointing remix project. Of course the above is only my opinion, you may like it. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk , mobile phones , Man machine remakes & CDR's From: Mike Morgan at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 19/6/97 12:15 Here are a few items that may be of interest.... Not in any order 1) My Nokia 9000 mobile phone plays radioactivity when it rings. I like = it but it drives everyone else mad.=20 2) I have a CDR. 3) I'm glad Kraftwerk have a web site, pity it is so dull. I guess this = means that they have some form of acknowledgement of their fans. 4) As for unusual kraftwerk material. I have some very unusual Kraftwerk = items. I have a copy of "the man machine remade." A completely digitally = remixed CD of the man machine most of it is really fabulous. A couple of = the tracks are a bit like "real 2 real" though. It includes a great = version of "tour de france" which dare is say is better than the = original. ( God I hope ralph and florian don't read this" ) I can tell you what the track listing is if anyone is interested..... I also have some other great remixes of kraftwerk material that were = done for Dj's including the razormaid remixes of telephone call. I = think my favourite is a wonderful remix of numbers and some other stuff = released last year which has totally updated the sound turning it into a = really hard dance floor mix. This went under the name of "Don Werk" = remixed by Phat Headz 3 (mannequins mix to be precise) It is wonderful. = Then there is the really odd stuff. Like the technopop stuff. Personally = I prefer the technopop version's of things like sex object to the final = version. Somehow they seem more .... Raw , imperfect and I guess Human.=20 Also I have some interesting cover versions. I picked up an obscure 12" = which had a version of autobahn by Eskimo's and Egypt on it. A version = which I think is really is better than Kraftwerk's updated remix. I = have another CD called Trancewerk express vol 1 consisting of covers in = a trance / techno style but this is a bit disappointing, All of this stuff was purchased in places like Berlin, Brussels and = Amsterdam and a record market in London with the exception of the DJ = stuff which is a DJ only USA subscription service.=20 If only Kraftwerk did not keep us waiting for 12 years and more to hear = even one new piece of material then I guess fans would not be so = desperate to get hold of this material, which, I guess, does not give = them much if anything in the way of royalties.=20 I am interested to know if there are any totally remixed albums of = kraftwerk material out there. But really I'd just like Kraftwerk to have = the guts to release something new. Hope all of this might be of interest.... Mike=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 13:51:26 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) Vangelis OH MY GOD, someone's had the audacity to mention someone other than Kraftwerk. They'll be complaints, I promise you!! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: (kw) Vangelis From: Farki at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 19/6/97 12:15 Hello! - -Sorry for off-topic- I'm searching for these bootlegs: Vangelis - Bounty Vangelis - Bladerunner (original version) (not the orchestral /'82/, and not the re-released /'94/ versions) Is there any information? Thanks... - Farki - novitax@mail.datanet.hu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:06:34 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Are You Receiving Me? Hi there everyone, I have just moved over to a new mail system and was wondering if it is set up OK? Please e:mail me with the answers to the following brain teasers: Q1. What was the free item included in the German version of the LP Radio Activity? Q2. On the UK release of the first two KW LP's, Kraftwerk 1and 2, there were two labels used by Vertigo. One had the familiar white background with black spiral but what did the other label have? Q3. What is special about the USA promo only version of Pocket Calculator on seven inch vinyl? Q4. What is different on the French version of the LP Computer World? Q5. How many records do I have in my collection,......no, no, only a joke!!!!! Hope this makes the list a bit interesting. Best Regards, Craig. PS. Richard and Jules, any idea of a date for a meet in London yet? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 04:12:22 +0100 From: "Jerry Goodman" Subject: (kw) What's your point? Why did you make point one? - ---------- > From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk > To: Mike Morgan ; kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk , mobile phones , Man machine remakes & C > Date: 19 June 1997 2:51 > > > > Two points: > 1, Only the rich own a Nokia 9000 (that is the one that is also an electronic > organiser with net and e-mail facilities isn't it?)!! > 2, The CD Shone Neu Welt is mainly remixed stuff, some of which (like the DJ rap > mix of The Robots) is very poor. Ultra Rare Trax is also a really disappointing > remix project. > Of course the above is only my opinion, you may like it. @xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:12:26 -0700 (PDT) From: devine quijesuis Subject: (kw) Bootleg rehash (sorry) Hi, Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. As many people have complained that they either didn't get the digests right, or missed them altogether, I repost these few instructions, as some of you keep asking me about them... >Anyone able to send me a blank CD should do it, + 25 francs or $5. >Anyone NOT able to send me a blank CD should send 60 francs, or $10. >the last call for requests is Friday midnight, my time. The address to send to: Olivier Rongione 68 Avenue Simon Bolivar 75019 Paris FRANCE Nexus (nexus@kraftwerk.ml.org) P.S.: As of now, the CD sleeve is visible at http://kraftwerk.ml.org Please do not diffuse them until the last CDs are sent. Thanks. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 04:35:47 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) New Song / Europe Endless Message text written by Georg Jajus >From a friend of mine i heard that the new song which was presented at TG should sound like 'Europe Endless'...let's hope the new songs are as great as the cover!< I can tell you that the new song sounds nothing like 'europe endless' Firstly it is much faster, has a more 'sinister' feel to it (it's not melody based like 'ee') and is more minimalist in style. It could also be said that it is not overwhelmingly noticable as a KW son= g, in that it has all the kw trimmings but is not in a style used by the ban= d. (It's pure techno) Hope this clarifies, Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 04:28:13 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) KW covers, etc. Message text written by LM >First you say you never heard of Gary Numan and now also Siouxie's version of Looking Glass... Which planet are you from? :-))) < Hehe. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 05:47:30 -0400 From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) KW covers, etc. >I love that track! Unfortunately I cannot tell you any names or numbers >about the group. As far as I know they are from Germany, on the former a= lbum >they sung in german -- in some weird arty-farty, but nevertheless funny >poetry. I consider them as quite important because they really got into = it >developing a musical concept with the idea of using the errors a cd audi= o >player produces with damaged cds etc. Although I think 94diskont is the = more >interesting one, the former release illustrates this concept much better= =2E > >Does someone know more about them? Hy, I contacted Adam privatly with the following note about oval: Oval is a german band that lives in the Ruhrpott (Duesseldorf) area and = makes music by manipulating CDs with a special selfconstructed = computerinterface and cd player. They teamed up with mouse on mars (who = teamed up with YAMO Wolfgang Fluer, who played and programmed drums for = mouse on mars) and called themselves "microstoria". I have another OVAL = record, but I don't have it right at hand, so I can't tell you the name. I saw a TV Special about electronic music (it featured oval, alec empire,= = aphex twin and the great air liquide [you know them?]) where they showed = theire tiny digital device, with which they pick and programm patterns = out of normal CDs. You have noticed the static clicks, which are typical = for theire way of producing music. I like the sort of ambient sound. That's all I know about them... regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:10:14 +0200 From: Johan Gustavsson Subject: (kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) ) > >3. Songs shall be done in the spirit of "The Mix". > > And continuing in that "SUCKO" vein is this rule. Agrees with everything DACC said, but particularily with this one. I can live with just electronic+vox, I can live with a time limit of 4:30 (I mean, limited disk space and all, even though it would be more of a sketch than a complete tune), but "the spirit of The Mix"? Isn't that the most boring of KWs complete catalog? Why? The spirit of "Autobahn": now *that*'s something else :-) (How would one do "Autobahn" in 4:30?). Anyway, I'm off to do a 10-minute meandering "Morgenspaziergang" using my kazoo through the vortex and no beat at all...Or maybe something else. Then again, what would it take to set up a similar thing but without those limits? Then *again*, why compete when it is possible to cooperate? Why? /Moxie (Would do something, but not with those limitations) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 17:07:17 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) T-Shirts & KW.Com Someone enquired about the availability of TG KW t-shirts. It might be worth contacting the TG organisers and asking them who they sold the merchandise concession to. Their web-page is still up with contact number included. Also re the "is Kraftwerk.com official" question. Surely if it wasn't a real Kling Klang Produkt it wouldn't have been linked from the TG web site. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:35:14 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Re: Nexus Bootleg Hi fellow listies. I just got back home to New York from a little vacation in Maryland and had the pleasure of sifting through a hundred+ postings, most of which were good stuff I'm pleased to say. I just wanted to post this note to the list to commend those responsible for putting together that wonderfully professional cover for Nexus' KW bootleg. Unfortunately, I came back too late to be able to get in on this whole thing, as there's no way I can get my payment to France by tomorrow. hehe, oh well.. I just wanted to say that the artwork for the cover gets two thumbs up from me. Nice job. The ironic thing about it is the font and cover imagery reminded me very much of something that the Prodigy would have on their albums! :) - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:18:54 +0300 From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) Johan Gustavsson wrote: > > > >3. Songs shall be done in the spirit of "The Mix". > > > > And continuing in that "SUCKO" vein is this rule. > > Agrees with everything DACC said, but particularily with this one. I > can live with just electronic+vox, I can live with a time limit of > 4:30 (I mean, limited disk space and all, even though it would be more > of a sketch than a complete tune), but "the spirit of The Mix"? Isn't > that the most boring of KWs complete catalog? Why? To do a KW cover could be fun, but if there are too many limitations it could take all the fun out of it. And what IS considered electronic these days? Is sampled a guitar riff ok? If it is, can I also sample a string quartet performing The Model?. Can I start Autobahn with my Volkswagen or is that cosidered "acoustic"? And what would be the point of doing it in "the spirit of The Mix"? Anyway, I'm for everyone doing their own versions of a track instead of working with the same track over the net. That would mean too much hassle in my opinion. Maybe we should leave this open, too. If some people want to collaborate, great! But I'm afraid I don't have the time for that. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:50:50 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW covers, etc. On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:13:36 EDT muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) writes: >Has anyone ever heard Siouxie & the Banshees's cover of "Through the >Looking Glass"? speaking of covers, any reactions to terre thaemlitz's "die roboter rubato"? its an ambient re-interpretation of kw ...it was supposed to have been (or will be) played live in berlin...anyone go? if this is old news sorry... tom w np: paul schutze - site anubis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:50:50 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: (kw) Re: kw re-issues in case any is interested: KRAFTWERK KRAFTWERK 1 LP (UK) 07/20/97 [$35] $32.95 JAPANESE. LIMITED REISSUE of landmark album KRAFTWERK KRAFTWERK 2 LP (UK) 07/20/97 [$35] $32.95 JAPANESE. LIMITED VINYL REISSUE with ORIGINAL GATEFOLD SLEEVE (complete with traffic cones !!!) KRAFTWERK RALF AND FLORIAN LP (UK) 07/20/97 [$35] $32.95 JAPANESE. LIMITED EDITION REISSUE of their third album tom w np: koolfang II - gig in the sky (fax) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:22:45 +0000 From: charlest@parthenon.com Subject: (kw) RE: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) Here's my spume! >Netwerk: >A collection of Kraftwerk songs as revised and interpreted by electronic >musicians on the net. As Anders and I never worked out specific =20 details, >here are some possible ideas: "Possible" He said possible. Keep calm. OK...this is all well and good thus far, as said, 'possible ideas' and 'revised and interpreted by electronic musicians on the net'. However... >1. Songs shall be restricted to use of electronic instruments and voice > (ie no heavy metal man machine) >2. Songs shall be limited to 4.5min max length. >3. Songs shall be done in the spirit of "The Mix". [snip!] Uhhhh...if we take these first three rules at face value, shouldn't the opening _then_ be 'revised and interpreted by electronic musicians on the net _as per OUR rules_'? This is a nice sentiment, especially with the charity angle and =20 all of that, but rules 1-3 are pure stinkburger if you want original interpretations. Let's slam these one by one... Let's do that, because this guy's obviously a bad human. Jeez, calm =20 down. >1. Songs shall be restricted to use of electronic instruments and voice > (ie no heavy metal man machine) I agree, this is a limiting thing. Alot of Krewtfark's work was guitar =20 based, until the Man/Toaster album. I can think of several treatments =20 for any of their songs which a tguitar would add to. And so what if it's =20= =20 a heavy metal man machine? What's wrong with that? Keep your horizons =20 open. Metalheads probbly listen to Kraftwerk, too!!! >2. Songs shall be limited to 4.5min max length. Perhaps this is to keep the amount of songs high and the variety as well. =20= =20 But it does limit the range one can have in their interpretation of the =20 songs. >3. Songs shall be done in the spirit of "The Mix". And continuing in that "SUCKO" vein is this rule. Yep. Kraftwerk was =20 about nothing but dance music. Yeah, the MIx really blew. And what the does it mean in the spirit of? =20 Yeah, I think if you originated the idea, that's great, but controlling =20 what goes on it, maybe not so rgeat. Wlecome all interpreatations of =20 their songs. But mostly mine, though. Heh heh heh.... That's alll I gotta say. I love the idea, and let's not make it =20 so ,limiting. Keep it as open as possible. I need a nap CRT Now playing: sounds of the AC in the office reverberating in my skull. =20 Available on Day Job records. =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:20:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) ) On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Johan Gustavsson wrote: > Agrees with everything DACC said, but particularily with this one. I > can live with just electronic+vox, I can live with a time limit of > 4:30 (I mean, limited disk space and all, even though it would be more > of a sketch than a complete tune), but "the spirit of The Mix"? Isn't > that the most boring of KWs complete catalog? Why? > > The spirit of "Autobahn": now *that*'s something else :-) (How would > one do "Autobahn" in 4:30?). Anyway, I'm off to do a 10-minute > meandering "Morgenspaziergang" using my kazoo through the vortex and > no beat at all...Or maybe something else. While I don't like those three restrictions either, I feel I must point out that some of us have different opinions. Personally, KW was the first music I liked and they're still my favorite. I have KW1, KW2, R&F, Acceler8, MM, Mix, CW, EC, Showroom Dummies, TEE, Autobahn, Radioactivity and Robots, and I have to say that without a doubt The Mix is my favorite with Computer World a very close second. Coincidentally, I think Autobahn (any version) is the absolute worst thing they've ever done. I wish they hadn't. The Beach Boys could have done it better. My point is that there are a range of valid opinions concerning KW and I think it would be detrimental to the list if there were either a flame war OR a we-all-like-the-same-thing back-patting session. /*--------------------------------------+---------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre | Contents 57.6% nerd, 85% pure. | | lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Myers-Briggs product type INXJ | | http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | Celia Green is right! | *--------------------------------------+---------------------------------*/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:49:23 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) KW covers, etc. Oliver Kess wrote: > [Oval] teamed up with mouse on mars (who teamed up with YAMO Wolfgang > Fluer, who played and programmed drums for mouse on mars) and called > themselves "microstoria". Microstoria is only Jan St Werner of Mouse On Mars and Markus Popp from Oval. In turn, Oval is Markus Popp, Sebastian Oschatz and Frank Metzger. > I have another OVAL record, but I don't have it right at hand, so I > can't tell you the name. "Systemisch" > (...) theire tiny digital device, with which they pick and programm > patterns out of normal CDs. You have noticed the static clicks, which > are typical for theire way of producing music. I like the sort of > ambient sound. For those of you who never heard Oval, there is something to bear in mind: 5 or 10 minutes of continuous loops with those clicks may be an interesting and new experience. But 50 or 60 minutes of it are only more of the same, and it gets a bit annoying, IMHO. I definitely prefer the sort of ambient experimentalism that is found on Microstoria. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:52:44 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Instruments Did KW use a 909 (God forbid!) in the new song? I'm really sick of the 909--it's just more than ubiquitous! Canada's Nettwerk is a decent label. >>> np: koolfang II - gig in the sky (fax) <<< Great! Another Fax label fan! Never heard "Koolfang II," but I love "Bedroom," "Electro Harmonix," "Aerial Service Area" (both I & II), "Air III," and "Cymatic Scan." Have you heard these? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:55:47 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Are You Receiving Me? At 16:06 19/06/97 +0000, you wrote: >Hi there everyone, > >I have just moved over to a new mail system and was wondering if it >is set up OK? > >Please e:mail me with the answers to the following brain teasers: [...] >Q2. On the UK release of the first two KW LP's, Kraftwerk 1and 2, >there were two labels used by Vertigo. One had the familiar white >background with black spiral but what did the other label have? two flying saucers? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 08:41:20 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) New Song / Europe Endless Julian Seifert wrote: I can tell you that the new song sounds nothing like 'europe endless' Firstly it is much faster, has a more 'sinister' feel to it (it's not melody based like 'ee') and is more minimalist in style. It could also be said that it is not overwhelmingly noticable as a KW son= g, in that it has all the kw trimmings but is not in a style used by the ban= d. (It's pure techno) >>>I dunno Jules, even though it was different (and most excellent), to me it bore all the hallmarks of Kraftwerk. Oh that bassline!!!!!!!!!!!!!<<< Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:22:39 +0600 From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: Re: (kw) New Song / Europe Endless Would someone _PLEASE_ let me download/send a tape to someone who has the new kw song on tape/computer!! I imagine that everyone on this list has heard it already, but I haven't and I'd really like to. I've abstained from harrassing those who have divulged that they have the new song, but if I have to, I suppose that's the only choice.. Begfully Yours, Emmett epepper@vt.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:54:04 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) KW Teasers Hi there everyone, Thanks for your response in confirming that my e:mail system is set up OK and giving me the answers to the brain teasers. Here sre the correct answers for those that did not know them all: A1. The German copy of Radioactivity came with a sheet of free stickers, these were yellow with the radio active symbol in red printed over. Text is Kraftwerk, then Radio Activitat. A2. The second label type for the Vertigo releases of Kraftwerk 1 and 2 had the War of the Worlds type UFO artwork. A3. The USA promo version of Pocket Calculator was in a clear sleeve with the standard black text and four heads of KW printed over. The vinyl was yellow. A4. The French version of Computer World is on a different label, Marconi I think! Pocket Calculator is sung in French. A5. Who knows the size of my record collection, it's in the thousands, but I can never be bothered to count, more interesting things to do!! It seems that some people have implied they have a copy of the new KW song performed at TG. How is this so, BBC Radio1 did not broadcast this piece of the show, not do they have it on file, I asked. The only possible way is that someone recorded it live at the event, if so, who? Can we all have a copy please? Oh, and by the way, the new song is nothing like Europe Endless, in fact as a Techno lover (Detroit 'n' Chicago style), it is like nothing else I have ever heard. This is a remarkable feat as Techno can sound a bit 'the same', so for a group to come out and play a song like KW did and give us something that sounded new and fresh was amazing. If anything it is very LFO style, but this is almost a contradiction because LFO have modeelled themselves after KW. Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 22:20:34 JST From: "INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe)" Subject: (kw) ! Hi. I have got to get a review in by Monday about Kraftwerk(tribal Gathering), for Japans Keyboard magazine... Could someone tell me the names of the other two new, younger members, who were between Florian and Ralf....???? I forget their names... could anyone post these names to the fellow at: ummo@aquarius.bekkoame.or.jp Also, anyone know the names of KINETIK (the british version of Kraftwerk/cover band) or know any info about them? Thanks in advance. ION. _ ____ ___ ___ _ _ _ ___ ___ ____ ___ ___ _ __ // // // // //_ // // // //_ //_ // // // //_ // //\\ // // // // //_ //_ //_ // //_/ //_ // // // __// // //__\\ OOO OOO T H E I N T E L L I G E N T S I A O O O O A global futurist starforce for the 21st century! O O OOO O O ALIEN REGISTRATION: http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~ummo O O O O Home of FUTURE music,art,literature,video & fashion OOO OOO *UMMO RECORDS* http://www.japan.co.jp/~ummo _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ www.geocities.com/Tokyo/9184 _/_/ www.geocities.com/Area51/7723 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:56:27 MET From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) new article the new edition of the german music magazine "musikexpress/sounds" contains a two page live report of KW at Tribal Gathering. the content of the article and the style of writing is as dull as usual in this magazine. but included in the article is a two page picture of KW performing their new song in their illuminating "wire frame"-suits. and two smaller pictures of Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider performing "Pocket Calculator/Dentaku". there is also a misstake in the article as it states that the live line up was made up out of Ralf Huetter, Henning Schmitz (!), Fritz Hilpert and Florian Schneider. Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:03:11 -0700 From: atombee@slip.net (Knox Bronson) Subject: (kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) ) At 6:24 PM 6/18/97, DAC Crowell wrote: >Let's bring up a point here...first, we get... > > >OK...this is all well and good thus far, as said, 'possible ideas' and >'revised and interpreted by electronic musicians on the net'. However... > >[snip!] > >Uhhhh...if we take these first three rules at face value, shouldn't the >opening _then_ be 'revised and interpreted by electronic musicians on the >net _as per OUR rules_'? Precisely. He proposed it. He gets to make the rules. We really don't need DAC's Rush Limbaugh act in this particular case. Stick to your guns, Philip. I am sure you will get plenty of willing participants. Ignore the nitpickers: let them do their own "authentic" compilation ... I'm sure it would be _much_ better ... ha ... I just got back from U2/Oasis at the Oakland Coliseum. DJ SPooky was spinning before the show & between Oasis & U2 ... lots of serious tekno dance music and the all-american crowd was loving it. Oasis _sucked_ ... the lead singer is the guy who said, "We're real musicians playing real instruments" one time. U2 was U2 with lots of electronics happening ... A friend had an extra ticket. I did not pay for it. Knox Proto Records for Instrumentality: http://www.protolab.com/ Yoshi the Pot-Bellied Pig: http://www.slip.net/~atombee/yoshi2.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 20:55:31 JST From: "INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe)" Subject: (kw) Help! Hi. I have got to get a review in by Monday about Kraftwerk(tribal Gathering), for Japans Keyboard magazine... Could someone tell me the names of the other two new, younger members, who were between Florian and Ralf....???? I forget their names... could anyone post these names to the fellow at: ummo@aquarius.bekkoame.or.jp Also, anyone know the names of KINETIK (the british version of Kraftwerk/cover band) or know any info about them? Thanks in advance. ION. _ ____ ___ ___ _ _ _ ___ ___ ____ ___ ___ _ __ // // // // //_ // // // //_ //_ // // // //_ // //\\ // // // // //_ //_ //_ // //_/ //_ // // // __// // //__\\ OOO OOO T H E I N T E L L I G E N T S I A O O O O A global futurist starforce for the 21st century! O O OOO O O ALIEN REGISTRATION: http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~ummo O O O O Home of FUTURE music,art,literature,video & fashion OOO OOO *UMMO RECORDS* http://www.japan.co.jp/~ummo _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ www.geocities.com/Tokyo/9184 _/_/ www.geocities.com/Area51/7723 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:28:18 +0100 From: Glen Subject: (kw) Oval In message , Tobi writes >Adam Schefflan wrote: >> Can anyone give me information on the group (?) Oval? >Unfortunately I cannot tell you any names or numbers >about the group. I consider them as quite important because they really got into it >developing a musical concept with the idea of using the errors a cd audio >player produces with damaged cds etc. >Does someone know more about them? Oval are Markuss Popp and Jan St Werner. Yes, from Germany. There's a complicated family tree which I can never quite remember but it goes something like Popp is also in the band Microstoria (quite similar to Oval) and St Werner is half of Mouse On Mars (not like Oval or Microstoria - Wolfgang Flur played on their album). Both Oval and Microstoria are signed to the German label Mille Plateaux, licensed to Thrill Jockey in the States. Oval do indeed do things like throw paint on CD's and record the effect. Either St Werner or Popp are also part of Pluramon who are also worth checking out. Sorry this is vague. I don't have my CD collection here. Oval/Mouse On Mars/Microstoria are interviewed in The Space Age Bachelor magazine this issue : Don Anderson, Space Age Bachelor 1039 Varsity Est. Pl. N.W., Calgary, AB, T3B 3X5, CANADA e.mail : Donaland@unixg.ubc.ca It makes for very interesting reading. - -- Leisure # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:21:09 +0000 From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Synthpop >Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:05:33 +0100 >From: Craig Land >Subject: RE: Re[2]: (kw) Dumb question time > >Speaking of John Foxx, look how he changed in music style when he left >Ultravox, if my memory serves me correctly, didn't the music press at the >time ridicule him a bit for copying Numan with tracks like Underpass, and >No-one Driving? I don't recall them ridiculing him, but comparisons were made. Foxx pointed out in interviews that he got there first, and that Numan had cited Ultravox as a major influence. Nevertheless, Numan's success undoubtedly encouraged 'Metamatic' IMO. >Personally, I liked these tracks, but my favorite was an >instrumental piece which I would perform Robotic's to called Mr. X. That was actually by the post-Foxx Ultravox, vocals by drummer Warren Cann. >Does anyone remember a group called Hard Corps (pronounced Core)? Yes. Pretty good. Moody synthpop with French chanteuse + electronic drums... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Jun 97 15:11:03 +0000 From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) RE: From station to station... Lazlo Nibble was saying: >> This list is about Kw and related artists. >I think Brendan's is saying that if the best criticism of an artist you can >come up with is on the level of "X SUCKS!@##@", you should consider not >wasting our time with it. (And if that *is* what he's saying, I agree with >him -- if I want Beavis and Butt-Head, I'll watch it on TV.) Thank you, Lazlo! :-) That is exactly what I meant. Of course, I believe it's important to discuss artists related to, and influenced by, Kraftwerk and all that. But there have been a number of posts in the past week or so - "Jarre is shit" is one, and then this "KW should have nothing to do with Bowie, because he's crap". I would certainly love to hear a conversation about WHY Bowie has changed, and WHY you think maybe Kraftwerk don't like the stuff any more - but not just "it's crap". - -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary. -- Richard Harkness # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:58:09 -0700 From: tosh@loop.com (Tosh) Subject: Re: (kw) RE: From station to station... For the record,I think Bowie's recent stuff is really good - especially OUTSIDE. I don't know why he gets hammered all the time. As for Kraftwerk, why are they so damn lazy in getting new music out? Have they become such perfectionist, that they are afraid of doing something new .. or anything for that matter. It would be great if they would do a low-key film soundtrack or something that is not such a big statement. They're brilliant,and always will be brilliant - and the same goes for Bowie! - ----------------- Tosh Berman TamTam Books - ---------------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:12:25 -0400 From: Roland Metzger Subject: (kw) Musikexpress/Sound-Review & Pictures TG97 Hi to all German musik magazine Musikexpress/Sounds has in its Juli97 issue with Ne= il Young on the cover a 2 page review of Kraftwerk at TG97. It's a positive recap, naturally. Best of it is the full 2 page spread of Kraftwerk in their new Cyber-look. Try to get it yourself! It has following prices on the covers, so it should at least be available in following countries....DEM7.80/SFR7.80/LIT10000/IFR168/PTA900/HFL8.75. Cheers Roland = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:59:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW covers, etc. What do people think of OMD's Neon Lights? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 18:18:01 -0400 From: gcl@sojourn.com Subject: (kw) want to buy the german language CDs I am interested in buying the german language Kraftwerk CDs (I have all of the english version CDs). I beleive there are 6 that are in german. I see them on some web CD stores, but they are $25 -$32 each. I know the mark rate is high, but is there anyway to buy them cheaper? Is there anyone in germany that can get them at a better price? thanks Tschuess! Gary in Michigan - - a kraftwerk follower for over 20 years ! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: devine quijesuis Subject: (kw) Bootleg non stop - Not quite Ok folks, This is it. Please don't send new requests from now, they won't be processed. As a total, we already have to make some 90 CDs... New deadline: I must have all blank CDs and money before July 15th. Sorry to put deadlines after deadlines, but if I don't do that, I'm afraid I'll spend the next 6 months of my life sending CDs. I'm happy to say that someone lent me a CD burner today, and I could make 4 of them, so those of you from which I received the CDs and fee will have their bootleg soon, as I reposted them today. That's all for now. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:18:46 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) want to buy the german language CDs >I am interested in buying the german language Kraftwerk CDs >(I have all of the english version CDs). I beleive there are >6 that are in german. Hi there. I own all the KW albums in English and German, and the German language KW CDs are as follows: 'Radio-Aktivitaet' (identical recording to Eng. version, with Germ. song titles) 'Trans Europa Express' 'Die Mensch-Maschine' 'Computerwelt' 'Electric Cafe' 'The Mix' >I see them on some web CD stores, but they are $25 -$32 each. Yes indeed, I paid somewhere between $25 and $35 for all of mine here in New York City. I'm really not sure where they can be found for less except perhaps direct from Germany or Sweden. - -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:24:30 +0200 From: Dirk Wied Subject: (kw) German CD's Hi, my name is Dirk, I live here in the near of Hamburg / Germany. Its absolutly no problem to buy die Original CD's in deutsch. The only lowprice one is Autobahn with ( I find it not so nice!) a different cover (than the old vinyl LP). It's about hmmm..... $ 13 ( 20 Deutsche Mark!). The others costs still the expencive price of about $18 (35 DM). Ahhh, is not easy for me to write in englisch. Please forgive me! It is also not so easy to calculatte the stock quotes between DM and $ , as I now is 1 DM now about $1.75. If it's really neccasarly ( how is this word written?) for U to get these CD's, U can contact me direkt via E-Mail and I will see, what I can do 4 U, OK? Ok, thats it 4 tonite, goooodnite (I love slangwriting!!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:44:05 -0400 From: Dave Sweet Subject: (kw) Subscriber's Music > What about doing a remake of "MAN MACHINE" together ? We could > exchange > some sequences (mid-files), edit them, put them together e.t.c. e.t.c > and > afterwards put them on "real" synthesizer and machines, >Excellent idea, I have been working on a version of 'Pocket Calculator' >for some time now. This sort of project interests me a lot. I have a >>load of old 1970's synths and 1990's recording gear. >Adam Read Anyone interested can check out my electronic music site at I did a .MOD file interpretation of Autobahn. You can dl it there in a zip file. And Yes, this is my first post to this list as I joined just today. Hi to everyone! Dave _______________________________________ For The BEST In Electronic Music, Check Out ELECTRONIC MUSIC RESEARCH LABORATORIES At: Music For The 21st Century... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:42:37 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: (kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:22:45 +0000 charlest@parthenon.com writes: > >Here's my spume! >>Netwerk: >>A collection of Kraftwerk songs as revised and interpreted by >electronic >>musicians on the net. As Anders and I never worked out specific =20 >details, just 2 add my two cents....the members of the vangelis mailing list did this and produced a first class, a-one, should-be-a-commercial-release product....the secret was to have one or two guys in charge who made all the decisions and then offered the product to the list at cost...a great enterprise and very successful....i can be done!!!! tom w np: namlook/hia - s.h.a.d.o. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 22:53:03 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com (thomas m weibrecht) Subject: (kw) can vis-a-vis kw just finished listening to a live can interview on wnyu i nyc...amongst the things they said: 1.) "we were supposed to tour in the early 70s but we got kw to go instead..." 2.) "the term krautrock is meaningless when applied to us, thats really kw..." (the question was how do u c urselves in the whole krautrock thing...the answer, with alot of respect, was the above) 3.) "germany was never about rock, it was about kw and electronics" responding to a ? about "what r germanys rock bands?" anyway, kw was a big part of this interview.... tom w np: d.a.f. - fur immer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:58:26 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Who wants K-shirts? Okay- I've already explained this to a few people, so, I might as well tell EVerybody all once.... Mom just paid me back $200 of some money my niece owes me -("Revolving Family Credit"!)-, so, now I actually have enough money to get started and do my K-shirts RIGHT! It'll take atleast a week or 2 to figure out what materials I need and build the press, etc. So, who wants 'em? I need to know how many plain black T-shirts to hunt for- I do NOT have a "quantity" source, so, I'm lucky to find a few at a time here and there. So far I have about a dozen on hand, mostly LARGE & X-LARGE sizes for us Generously proportioned types- and I can come up with a few turtle-neck longsleeves for those in KooL climates! My husband just scanned a picture of me modeling the real shirt- not just a rough sketch- please Email me and I'll send it, or, you can look for it on the uwp.maillist.kraftwerk News Group. - -(KshrtBOT.jpg 22K or bmp 294K, much sharper image!)- It's also on alt.binaries.pictures. I have enough cash to get started, so, nobody has to worry about paying me until the shirts are READY. It may take a month- please be patient. To cover my expenses, figure $10 per shirt plus postage. I'm guessing it'll cost $2-$3 within the US, and $5 overseas. -(I've already agreed to swap for Tapes or CDs with a few people.)- Right now, I just need to know how many people WANT 'em, and what size/style they prefer so I know how many more shirts to buy. I would also like to find a bunch of yellow/orange T-shirts for a simple RADIOAKTIVITAT symbol in black, with KRAFTWERK above in plain simple letters and RADIOAKTIVITAT below, on front AND back, or with the "fancy" design on front in black, and RA on back. I could do the same choice in silver on black. Or a M.M motif on RED! Ooh! That would be nice! RA patches for hats/jackets would be KooL, too! Once I get started, I can do all KINDS of stuff- not just KW.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:47:25 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Who wants K-shirts? > From: klee@huitzilo.tezcat.com > To: ROBOT > Subject: Re: (kw) Who wants K-shirts? > Date: Friday, June 20, 1997 8:52 PM > > I want one! :) > > klee@tezcat.com WOW! Now THAT's a fast response!! I forgot to explain: I need to know everyone's exact chest size and general height/body type so I can pick the best shirt for each individual. Sizes are irregular from brand to brand. Like, some "L"s fit 40"-42" and some barely fit a "38"! Please be specific- I'll have no problem fitting BIG dudes like Craig Land.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 12:24:00 +0200 From: arnaud@bookshop.epita.fr (ARNAUD DE BONALD) Subject: Re: (kw) Kurzweil reader -=> Quoting Devine Quijesuis to All <=- DQ> If I remember correctly, the Kurzweil reader was developped DQ> specifically for, or with the help of, Stevie Wonder... Yes. It was the first reading machine for blind people. It was very big (as a washing-machine) and didn't work so well compared to today's equipements. >I've heard of Kurzweil (spelling?) but thought it was an elaborate >sampler/synthesizer. Can anyone confirm this? yes. it was the first cheap sampler in 1983 (the K250) There is a review on it in french on the samplers section of the Synth. history on http://www.imaginet.fr/Keyboards/SYNTHE1/index.html ... Gravity: Not just a good idea...it's the LAW. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 OS/2 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 12:24:00 +0200 From: arnaud@bookshop.epita.fr (ARNAUD DE BONALD) Subject: Re: (kw) I have a dream . . . -=> Quoting Dirk V Fellhauer to All <=- DVF> As we have several musicians connected to the mailing list, I+d like DVF> to DVF> propose the following. [...] DVF> and producing sort of "Mailing-List-Tribute to KW" very great and exciting idea! DVF> I actualy does not have to be MAN MACHINE - it could be anything. It+s Man Machine is a very good choice because tracks are easier to reproduce. I tried to make a cover of Autobahn but it was very difficult because i didn't find good sounds as Moog synthesizers (I havn't a MiniMoog unfortunately) and also I don't speake German, so it was difficult to sing well "Wir fahren auf der Autobahn" etc... ... I was just pulled over by the LAPD and boy am I beat. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 OS/2 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 12:24:00 +0200 From: arnaud@bookshop.epita.fr (ARNAUD DE BONALD) Subject: Re: (kw) .au version of T >of all the file put together is 22megs, and I am limited to 5 megs on my >web server. > > Is anyone out there willing to put these file on there web server where >they have more room? Lb> well, I have a very complicated idea. Lb> do you know about those providers like, for instance, geocities Lb> (www.geocities.com) - but there would be a lot other, that just give Lb> for free non commercial spaces of about 1 or 2 or even more Mb? Lb> I have already my 2M busy but could free a 500k or more. if other Lb> people take this free spaces then we can split this huge sample in Lb> volumes with any suitable compressor (say arj or rar) of a certain size I can also give about 5 MB free space on my web site for this purpose. Just let me know ... The world/ moonlit drops / shaken from a crane's bill. Dogen 1200 ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 OS/2 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:28:21 +0000 From: JunoMan Subject: (kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) ) How about we do a drum n' bass remix album of Kraftwerk, like the one done for Art of Noise. - -JunoMan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:15:38 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Instruments At 23:52 19/06/97 EDT, you wrote: >Did KW use a 909 (God forbid!) in the new song? I'm really sick of the >909--it's just more than ubiquitous! well, I've just found the june issue of Future Music with the K article, and there was 2 (instead of the usual one) cd, one containing 60' of various samples: between them a 909 kit. it remember me of those computer magazines with diskettes or cd-rom enclosed where you find always the same (even nice) share-softs. now that I think about it, could massive use of sampling being considered OOC (object oriented composing)? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 10:21:55 +0200 From: Bob Weustink Subject: (kw) Free Web Space > Lb> do you know about those providers like, for instance, geocities > Lb> (www.geocities.com) - but there would be a lot other, that just > give > Lb> for free non commercial spaces of about 1 or 2 or even more Mb? > > Lb> I have already my 2M busy but could free a 500k or more. if > other > Lb> people take this free spaces then we can split this huge sample > in > Lb> volumes with any suitable compressor (say arj or rar) of a > certain size > > I can also give about 5 MB free space on my > web site for this purpose. > Here is a good list of free web space providers: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~maxlee/FWPReview/ The chez server http://www.chez.com is the one I would recommend. BTW Ive updated my Kraftwerk theme. Bob Weustink bwe@dds.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~bwe/index2.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 06:32:15 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) New track a HOAX?? Hi all, To all those doubters on the list who are saying that mike pitt's .wav fi= le is a hoax, I'd like to clarify things. It is definately NOT a hoax!! I was there, and I'm sure others who rememb= er the song, will back me up here, it is genuine! I've been saying all along that the track sounded like a backwards 'join = in the chant' by nitzer ebb, so listen dudes........... You've been given a gem of sample, and all you can do is doubt. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Jun 97 12:53:00 EDT From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: (kw) Ref . Kraftwerk new song .wav To all those who doubt that the wav file is genuine, I'm sorry but it is. Those fortunate people who went to TG 97 are already confirming this. I am but a mere 'lurker' on this list but when something like this falls into my hands should I have kept it to myself ? No. To those who are still waiting for there copy, I have not forgot. Please be patient. Demand was high! For the record the clip came from an MTV europe News broadcast at 17:00 CET on Wednesday May 28th 1997. Mike. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:02:41 +0100 From: Mike Morgan Subject: (kw) what's happened to Elecrtic music ? Does anyone know what's happened to electric music. I hope its not another 12 years before Karl Bartos brings out another CD. Personally I thought it was the CD that Kraftwerk should have made... one of my all time favourite CD's And the remixes of crosstalk were fab. Thought the album he made with electronic was a bit of a disappointment though ! All the best from Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:54:58 +0100 From: Mike Morgan Subject: (kw) Re remixing the man machine I just thought I'd let you know that there is already one version of the Man Machine on CD that has been completely remixed. Most of the tracks are really well done. My favourite is the Tour de France which is included as a bonus track. It's called the "man machine recreated" and has the following tracks The robots ( space strings mix) The model ( German model mix) Spacelab (shuttle mix) Metropolis ( lost town mix) Neonlights (stratosphear mix) The man machine (forward march mix) Tour de france ( arrivee mix) Total time 70:48 I only saw one copy when I bought it and have not seen another one since. Does anyone else have it ? .. I was wondering if there are other remixed Kraftwerk CD's out there..... All the best from Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 13:34:45 +0100 From: Mike Morgan Subject: (kw) what's happened to electric music. Does anyone know what's happened to electric music. I hope its not another 12 years before Karl Bartos brings out another CD. Personally I thought it was the CD that Kraftwerk should have made... one of my all time favourite CD's And the remixes of crosstalk were fab. Thought the album he made with electronic was a bit of a disappointment though ! All the best from Mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Jun 97 16:14:00 EDT From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: (kw) TG wav file Hopefully everyone who asked for a copy of the wav file has received it by now. If I've missed anyone out. Please feel free to request it again privately. Mike. mike.pitt@mail.sema.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 17:47:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Nellemann Subject: Re: (kw) Re remixing the man machine > > I just thought I'd let you know that there is already one version of the Man Machine on CD that has been completely remixed. > Most of the tracks are really well done. > My favourite is the Tour de France which is included as a bonus track. > > It's called the "man machine recreated" and > has the following tracks > The robots ( space strings mix) > The model ( German model mix) > Spacelab (shuttle mix) > Metropolis ( lost town mix) > Neonlights (stratosphear mix) > The man machine (forward march mix) > Tour de france ( arrivee mix) > Total time 70:48 > > I only saw one copy when I bought it and have not seen another one since. > Does anyone else have it ? .. I was wondering if there are other remixed Kraftwerk CD's out there..... > > All the best from Mike Hi I have the below mentioned Kraftwerk CD's remixed bootlegs. I could make CD-R copies of them if anybody is interested - mail me privately at nelleman@biobase.dk Lars Kraftwerk: The Remix bootleg remix compilation CD: 1992 ?? (Smurf CD 92-05) 10:00 Computerwelt (razormaid-mix) 2:26 Das Model (razormaid-edit) 7:41 Sex Object (razormaid-mix) 6:33 Pocket Calculator (mixx-it remix) 6:48 The Telephone Call (razormaid-mix) 13:18 The Mix-Medley (razormaid-mix) 4:39 Re-Werked (musicfactory master mix) 4:02 Sex Object (techno pop version) [demo] 5:33 Tour de France (disconet-remix) 5:06 Electric Cafe (mix-it remix) 4:19 Technopop (demo version) [Excellent quality except demo versions] Kraftwerk: Ultra Rare Tracks 5.42 Computer World (Klick Mix) 5.21 Pocket Calculator (East Meets West mix) 6.02 Music - Non stop (Cut up mix) 7.17 Trans Europe Express (T.E.E. mix) 5.27 The Robots (Program mix) 8.06 Autobahn (Peoples car mix) 5.22 Europe Endless (Open border mix) 7.00 Man Machine (Space mix) 5.19 The Model (Catbonic mix) 5.26 Neon Lights (Ton-up mix) 6.00 Showroom Dummies (M.C.M.G. mix) Kraftwerk: Schone neue welt, Re-mix, Re-model CD ping-pong 9401 1994 5:04 Electric Cafe (mixx-it-remix) 5:34 Die Roboter (us-rap-mix) 4:18 Sex Object (demo-mix) 10:01 Computer Welt (us-dj promo-mix by razormaid) 9:10 Powerwork-Megamix 10:00 Telephone-Mix 4:42 Re-Worked Music Factory Master Mix 13:25 The Razormaid / Gridlock - Mix Medley 7:32 Sex Object (us-dj promo-mix by razormaid) 4:56 Housephone 3:48 The telephone call (Re-mix) Sound quality 8/10 Kraftwerk: The man machine recreated The robots (Space strings mix) The Model (German model mix) Spacelab (Shuttle mix) Metropolis (Lost town mix) Neonlights (Stratosphear mix) The man machine (Forward march ! mix) Tour de France (Arrivee mix) - -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * Royal Veterinary & Agricultural * * * University * * ******************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 19:24:55 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: Re: (kw) Re remixing the man machine >I only saw one copy when I bought it and have not seen another one since. >Does anyone else have it ? .. I was wondering if there are other remixed Kraftwerk CD's out there..... > >All the best from Mike Yes there are : TOUR DE TRANCE - a semi-professionel mixture out of kraftwerk material, mostly including the original samples and hook-lines of TDF. RUCKZUCK A project led by Manfred Doerper ( Propaganda, Die Krupps ) where several "techno" versions of ruckzuck had been recorded. Quite nice but - well - not "that" exiting.... ( IMHO ) See ya ! Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de page http://www.rhenania.com/Voice age 28 starsign pisces alias Voice, Adorion # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 19:10:47 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) RE : netwerk At 13:42 20.06.1997 EDT, you wrote: > >On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:22:45 +0000 charlest@parthenon.com writes: >> >>Here's my spume! >>>Netwerk: >>>A collection of Kraftwerk songs as revised and interpreted by=20 >>electronic >>>musicians on the net. As Anders and I never worked out specific =3D20 >>details, > > >just 2 add my two cents....the members of the vangelis mailing list did >this and produced a first class, a-one, should-be-a-commercial-release >product....the secret was to have one or two guys in charge who made all >the decisions and then offered the product to the list at cost...a great >enterprise and very successful....i can be done!!!! > >tom w >=09 Certainly it can be done ! But I=B4d rather like to discuss on the marketing after we have some final results ;-). CU=20 Dirk Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page http://www.rhenania.com/Voice age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 20:44:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Flensburg????? Hi! Interpol und Deutsche Bank FBI und Scotland Yard Flensburg und das BKA haben unsere Daten da.... Question: Why "Flensburg" ??????????? Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 20:42:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Peter Zillner Subject: (kw) Nice little film..... Hi! Sorry for off-topic! BUT: As all of you like good music (KRAFTWERK), heres also some piece of excellent stuff: Today, Sat 21th July 1997: German/french TV-Program ARTE: 23.20 MEST: Talking Heads: Stop Making Sense (USA 1983)... Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 22:49:33 +0200 From: tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de (Tom the Javaneer) Subject: Re: (kw) Flensburg????? >Hi! > >Interpol und Deutsche Bank >FBI und Scotland Yard >Flensburg und das BKA >haben unsere Daten da.... > >Question: >Why "Flensburg" ??????????? > >Greetings from Austria >zilli > In Flensburg are files kept to note car drivers that didn't respect the traffic regulations. For every violation you get a point on your account- until they confiscate your driving licence. Anyway, I switched to singing: "...die Stasi und das BKA- haben unsere Daten da!" (the Stasi-> ex secret service of the DDR)... It's more fun to compute! Thomas - ----------------------------------------------- email: tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de WWW: http://www.student.uni-koeln.de/~tweckert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Jun 1997 00:18:41 GMT From: josefgabler@magnet.at (Josef Gabler) Subject: Re: Re: (kw) KW covers, etc. Ultravox5@aol.com,Internet writes: What do people think of OMD's Neon Lights? Absolutely uninteressting and worst made. (Sorry- Andy.) Josef # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 06:51:57 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Re remixing the man machine >I have the below mentioned Kraftwerk CD's remixed bootlegs. I could make CD-R >copies of them if anybody is interested - mail me privately at copying bootlegs? you're going to send the poor pirates out of business! :-)))))))))))))))) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 06:51:48 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) the end of it all? (very sad post...) while I was very happy to hear Mike's radio sample (and I am grateful to him), some sad toughts come to my mind. ok, it's a very nice of techno (and is a 30" sample that I heard only through pc speaker...) but come on, it's nothing special. it's not, just to say, like the beginning of Computerworld. what could they do they have yet not done? I think to see a path in the "concept" affair that seem to be at the basis for each K album, at least from Radioactivity, but for me even from R&F. I mean, Radioactvity! I was 14, and was beginning technical studies and building little electronic kits, the termoionic valves were still around, and when I listen to RA, I could smell bakelite and friggin' soldier paste! everone was running back stupid Pink Floyd or something and these guy singed about antennas! and then come (with no hurry, of course... :-) ) TEE, MM, the prophetical CW, EC, TM, each one with his particular flavour I'm sure you know and about which I'm not wasting words about, but most important, each one standing in a clear path. what could they say they have not yet said? this is a merit for K. all their previsions now are true. we live in a "sinthetic electronic" world, with "industrial music all around". CW, EC and TM stand in a clear path. everything is going to be computerized, everithing is going to be virtual, we cannot but redo the same thing with new instruments, and maybe, for one or two pieces, letting them sound more commercial so even stupid folks will listen/dance to them and the smart ones will not feel so strange to like K. ok, they can for sure do some very nice piece, after all that's what Elektrik were made for: let's stop being so conceptual and perfectionist and let's work, for a change. and indeed this work, but it's not K. I sympathize a lot with Bartos: if you cannot be perfect this is not a good reason to stay immobile. so what could be the next "concept" K are constructing their album around? maybe "we can deliver better commercial music than anyone else"? after all an italian singer you may know, Franco Battiato, did just this. he started in the seventies with very interesting, but absolutely non commercial, avant-garde songs and music. then in the 80's he had some commercial hits, and he said something like "I was tired of having so a small audience, I need resources to realize my own serious project, I can educate the masses giving them some easy pieces to listen that are not completely crap and let them think for a short while, then when a lot more people know and respect me, I can propose more articulate projects". and indeed he did so and had success, and maintained his integrity. but this would mean coming out from the mistery, placing yourself on the market and on the market of information with an active role, always checking your "message" is not being distorted and acting out as you see there is the need, something K does not seem willing to. bah. I would hope for another Sex Pistol story, something Kraftwerk were still into: anyone can make his music. when in the late 70's, anyone can even become a rock star, now that music is done with the same equipment you are using to read this now, and maybe to play and to earn your living with, everyone can really build his own reality, but a real reality, not a virtual one. (and all this after 10 years of silence and a 30" sample... must be very late...:-) ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 06:51:43 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Flensburg????? >Flensburg und das BKA I tought it was "Finanzamt und das BKA"... >haben unsere Daten da.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 01:50:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ultravox5@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW Teasers In a message dated 97-06-21 12:05:51 EDT, cland@acl.memec.com (Craig Land) writes: << A3. The USA promo version of Pocket Calculator was in a clear sleeve with the standard black text and four heads of KW printed over. The vinyl was yellow. >> Actually...it was not just promo, but in commercial release this format. I bought one. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:25:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Nellemann Subject: (kw) Remix bootlegs for sale Hi Since a few people have requested more info on the Kraftwerk Remix Bootlegs that I'm selling - here it goes: They are all CD-R, CD-recordables, there is no difference between a commercial CD you buy in the shops and this CD-R - they carry the same kind of digital information, and can be played at any CD-player. The Tracks are all of excellent quality - there's some needle-noise on the tracks that was never on CD. The CD's come with a black/white photocopy of the original artwork. The price for each CD is 30 US$, that includes everything - CD-R, Recording, Postage, Padded envelope etc. I know the price is a bit high. But the copying of CD's do take some time - and each CD take up 700 Mb on my harddrive, and postage airmail from Denmark is rather expensive - If you don't like the price it's quite all right, then don't buy ;-) You mail me 30 US$ for one or 60 US$ for two etc, in cash airmail - registered if you don't want to take any risk. No checks or money orders please. And PLEASE don't mail me checks or money orders, if you mail me a 30$ check - I'll have to pay a 15$ fee to cash it here. I mail you the CD, when I receive the money - airmail, anywere in the world. If you're still interested mail me at nelleman@biobase.dk In case you have forgot the tracks - here we go again! Kraftwerk: The man machine recreated The robots (Space strings mix) The Model (German model mix) Spacelab (Shuttle mix) Metropolis (Lost town mix) Neonlights (Stratosphear mix) The man machine (Forward march ! mix) Tour de France (Arrivee mix) Kraftwerk: The Remix CD: 1992 ?? (Smurf CD 92-05) 10:00 Computerwelt (razormaid-mix) 2:26 Das Model (razormaid-edit) 7:41 Sex Object (razormaid-mix) 6:33 Pocket Calculator (mixx-it remix) 6:48 The Telephone Call (razormaid-mix) 13:18 The Mix-Medley (razormaid-mix) 4:39 Re-Werked (musicfactory master mix) 4:02 Sex Object (techno pop version) [demo] 5:33 Tour de France (disconet-remix) 5:06 Electric Cafe (mix-it remix) 4:19 Technopop (demo version) [Excellent quality except demo versions] Kraftwerk: Ultra Rare Tracks 5.42 Computer World (Klick Mix) 5.21 Pocket Calculator (East Meets West mix) 6.02 Music - Non stop (Cut up mix) 7.17 Trans Europe Express (T.E.E. mix) 5.27 The Robots (Program mix) 8.06 Autobahn (Peoples car mix) 5.22 Europe Endless (Open border mix) 7.00 Man Machine (Space mix) 5.19 The Model (Catbonic mix) 5.26 Neon Lights (Ton-up mix) 6.00 Showroom Dummies (M.C.M.G. mix) Rather crappy remixes!! Kraftwerk: Schone neue welt, Re-mix, Re-model CD ping-pong 9401 1994 5:04 Electric Cafe (mixx-it-remix) 5:34 Die Roboter (us-rap-mix) 4:18 Sex Object (demo-mix) 10:01 Computer Welt (us-dj promo-mix by razormaid) 9:10 Powerwork-Megamix 10:00 Telephone-Mix 4:42 Re-Worked Music Factory Master Mix 13:25 The Razormaid / Gridlock - Mix Medley 7:32 Sex Object (us-dj promo-mix by razormaid) 3:48 The telephone call (Re-mix) Sound quality 8/10 - -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * Royal Veterinary & Agricultural * * * University * * ******************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:09:34 MET From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) Electric Cafe' well it's strange and it doesn't really matter but i've always felt like KW are saying goodbye when they sing "Es wird immer weitergeh'n Musik als Traeger von Ideen" and "Music Non-Stop". it sounds like "we brought you Techno-Pop now let's see what you're all doing out of it". well it's just a thought. Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:58:19 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Flensburg????? >>Flensburg und das BKA >I tought it was "Finanzamt und das BKA"... The first verse of the song in German contains the 'Flensburg' lyric, and the second verse contains the 'Finanzamt' lyric. "Computerwelt" is one of those songs where I really prefer the German version to the English, if not only for the fact that there are added lyrics (bonus third verse plus alternating lyrics in choruses) which greatly reinforce the meaning of the song ("Denn Zeit ist Gelt", etc.), it also contains a superior vocal track in my opinion to that of its English counterpart. The robotic voices are more pronounced and bassy, and Huetter's delivery contains a bolder touch as well. - -- Scott barnhill@easyway.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:42:10 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Re remixing the man machine hi, mike morgan wrote to the list: > I just thought I'd let you know that there is already one version of > the Man Machine on CD that has been completely remixed. > Most of the tracks are really well done. > My favourite is the Tour de France which is included as a bonus track. > > It's called the "man machine recreated" and has the following tracks > The robots ( space strings mix) > The model ( German model mix) > Spacelab (shuttle mix) > Metropolis ( lost town mix) > Neonlights (stratosphear mix) > The man machine (forward march mix) > Tour de france ( arrivee mix) > Total time 70:48 > > I only saw one copy when I bought it and have not seen another one > since. > Does anyone else have it ? .. I was wondering if there are other > remixed Kraftwerk CD's out there..... man-machine recreated is a remix bootleg, therefore illegal. it's not a very rare item, you usually find it at record fairs in germany, it's price is ca. 30,- DM (17$, 11 pounds) the cover is the same as the official man machine lp, only with blue instead of red shirts. regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 07:45:40 -0600 From: Gary Cameron Subject: (kw) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:08:57 +0100 > >Ultravox5@aol.com,Internet writes: >What do people think of OMD's Neon Lights? > Quite an interesting version, actually! One of the snare drum sounds is a _real_ Kraftwerk snare (circa Man Machine). The sound was provided by Karl Bartos (I kid you not). He apparently still has access to KlingKlang, and took Andy there to sample the sound. Have a listen: I'm sure you'll recognise it. Gary. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:02:34 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) e-mail I've been having trouble with my e-mail service this weekend-- could the people who sent me stuff this morning (local time)try again? My server deleted several messages (potentially inportant ones) before I could look at them. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:34:46 +0500 From: Christopher Gross Subject: (kw) mail! Forget it. I got my last message back 4 times already. If you have a message for me, try again tomorrow. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 97 11:44:00 +0200 From: arnaud@bookshop.epita.fr (ARNAUD DE BONALD) Subject: (kw) I have a dream . . . -=> Quoting Dirk V Fellhauer to All <=- DVF> As we have several musicians connected to the mailing list, I+d like DVF> to DVF> propose the following. [...] DVF> and producing sort of "Mailing-List-Tribute to KW" very great and exciting idea! DVF> I actualy does not have to be MAN MACHINE - it could be anything. It+s Man Machine is a very good choice because tracks are easier to reproduce. I tried to make a cover of Autobahn but it was very difficult because i didn't find good sounds as Moog synthesizers (I havn't a MiniMoog unfortunately) and also I don't speake German, so it was difficult to sing well "Wir fahren auf der Autobahn" etc... ... I was just pulled over by the LAPD and boy am I beat. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 OS/2 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 97 11:44:00 +0200 From: arnaud@bookshop.epita.fr (ARNAUD DE BONALD) Subject: Re: (kw) Kurzweil reader -=> Quoting Devine Quijesuis to All <=- DQ> If I remember correctly, the Kurzweil reader was developped DQ> specifically for, or with the help of, Stevie Wonder... Yes. It was the first reading machine for blind people. It was very big (as a washing-machine) and didn't work so well compared to today's equipements. >I've heard of Kurzweil (spelling?) but thought it was an elaborate >sampler/synthesizer. Can anyone confirm this? yes. it was the first cheap sampler in 1983 (the K250) There is a review on it in french on the samplers section of the Synth. history on http://www.imaginet.fr/Keyboards/SYNTHE1/index.html ... Gravity: Not just a good idea...it's the LAW. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 OS/2 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 97 11:44:00 +0200 From: arnaud@bookshop.epita.fr (ARNAUD DE BONALD) Subject: Re: (kw) .au version of T >of all the file put together is 22megs, and I am limited to 5 megs on my >web server. > > Is anyone out there willing to put these file on there web server where >they have more room? Lb> well, I have a very complicated idea. Lb> do you know about those providers like, for instance, geocities Lb> (www.geocities.com) - but there would be a lot other, that just give Lb> for free non commercial spaces of about 1 or 2 or even more Mb? Lb> I have already my 2M busy but could free a 500k or more. if other Lb> people take this free spaces then we can split this huge sample in Lb> volumes with any suitable compressor (say arj or rar) of a certain size I can also give about 5 MB free space on my web site for this purpose. Just let me know ... The world/ moonlit drops / shaken from a crane's bill. Dogen 1200 ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 OS/2 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 97 18:52:07 +0200 From: webmaster Subject: Re: (kw) .au version of T 97-06-21 11.44 arnaud@bookshop.epita.fr wrote: >I can also give about 5 MB free space on my >web site for this purpose. The problem is fixed. You can find the files at http://kraftwerk.ml.org - ---------------------"You're so close but far away"--------------------- * http://kraftwerk.ml.org News, Files, Links * * webmaster@kraftwerk.ml.org and some Boom Tschak * - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 19:37:08 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: RE: (kw) the end of it all? (very sad post...) lbo wrote... what could they do they have yet not done? I think to see a path in the "concept" affair that seem to be at the basis for each K album, at least from Radioactivity, but for me even from R&F. what could they say they have not yet said? When the director-general of the American Patent Office decided to quit = his job, around the turn of the last century, he did so with the = motivation that "everything is already invented". He claimed that his = job was meaningless, since nothing more could possibly be invented, the = world already knew every technique there was to know.=20 He was obviously wrong, and I hope you are too. :-) Regards=20 /Conny # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:18:56 -0700 From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) Kurzweil reader ARNAUD DE BONALD wrote: >>I've heard of Kurzweil (spelling?) but thought it was an elaborate >>sampler/synthesizer. Can anyone confirm this? > yes. it was the first cheap sampler in 1983 (the K250) The first CHEAP sampler??? You gotta be kidding!!! :-) I remember that the K-250 used to be praised for it's "perfect" (for that time) sampled sounds, and the price was more than proportional to its physical size and weight. The true first cheap sampler in the '80s was the Casio SK-1. Or if you're talking about pro/semi-pro instruments, the first cheap ones would be the Ensoniq Mirage or the Akai S-612 (less than $2K each). |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:05:32 -0700 From: LM Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on news, magazines, etc. In the July/97 issue of Keyboard (which has been out for about 3 weeks by now) there's a small note in their news section about a film that's being made by director Iara Lee and producer George Gund. The film is called "Modulations" and according to Lee, it's "a portrait of the technological era of sound. Beginning with Can and Kraftwerk's industrial folk music, progressing through Detroit techno and Chicago house, and ending with jungle's beat collages and the hip-hop avant garde". The film is based on the views of the people who made the electronic equipment and the people who used it, and how technology interacts with the history of modern music. Lee can be contacted via Caipirinha Productions at ilee@caipirinha.com or http://www.syntheticpleasures.com Keyboard's url is http://www.keyboardmag.com |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:47:27 -0400 From: caseyw@gtn.net (Wood, Casey) Subject: (kw) new material Just a note about the new kraftwerk tune. I think it sounds far better if its slowed down one factor in the effects menu. (Try it) Much more so what I would expect from kraftwerk, very looming. I'm surprised at how little discussion there has been surrounding the new material. So far I'm dissapointed with it, but of course it's premature to judge based on a 35 second wave file. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 00:12:15 +0200 From: Bob Weustink Subject: (kw) News News about Kraftwerk: http://www.nme.com/970517/news/newsb.html Bobn Weustink bwe@dds.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~bwe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 18:22:09 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW's new concept >>> what could be the next "concept" K are constructing their album around? <<< I think the concept will be the coming together of the global community. However, it'll be interpreted as something completely different, like "Electric Café." It was an attempt to keep up with dance-music styles, but it's seen as a forbearer to the internet. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:18:59 +0800 From: usura@pacific.net.sg Subject: (kw) OMD At 12:18 AM 6/22/97 GMT, josefgabler@magnet.at wrote: >Ultravox5@aol.com,Internet writes: >What do people think of OMD's Neon Lights? > >Absolutely uninteressting and worst made. > >(Sorry- Andy.) > >Josef er - i thought it was pretty brilliant. oops. monique. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 18:11:21 +0200 From: "gus spencer" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Review Hi! Im the Editor of an spanish On-Line music magazine and I'm making a review of th band for our upcoming issue. I would like to put info about the Nettwerk project and some audio files, anyone could give me help and advice for not making any copyright violations. Thanx! And sorry for my poor english. =A1It's more fun to compute! - --- Editor GRASA E-Zine /\/\__ E-Mail: =20 http://www.las.es/grasa __/\/\/ Axis Dise=F1o # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 08:30:31 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) KW covers, etc. Hmmm, I remember this got a lot of slagging off at the time of the album release. As for me, I thought it was OK! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: (kw) KW covers, etc. From: Ultravox5@aol.com at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 20/6/97 22:15 What do people think of OMD's Neon Lights? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 17:58:08 JST From: "INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe)" Subject: (kw) * KRAFTWERK T.G. REPORT, Keyboard magazine, Tokyo Hi, here is the TG report for Japan's keyboard magazine (August). I am no reporter! so it was tough going, my job is music and multi-media design, but there were only about five of us from Japan at the Kraftwerk gig! Please check it for any mistakes,errors and such- the deadline is Wednesday. But it will be translated into Japanese anyway, so grammar is not really a problem here. Check it out. (Thanks to Claudio Chiriatti on this list!) peace MIRAI Contact me at: ummo@aquarius.bekkoame.or.jp (I am using another band members E-mail for this) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------ "THE KLING-KLANG TOUR DE LUTON " KRAFTWERK live at TRIBAL GATHERING, REPORT:24th May 1997 A hyper plane,train and bus ride took this reporter on a journey from the claustrophobic concrete jungle of Tokyo, to the wide open green spaces of Luton Hoo estate, England. Here, the Teutonic Techno masters were going to make a long awaited appearance, at England's yearly festival of tribal togetherness. The past had seen defeats; I was in the wrong country during the MIX tour, I was ignorant of the gigs at Leicester and G-Mex, and I saw my last chance canceled in an airport in Kent- this time, I was going to make damned sure, I would see them. The festival was bustling, like a huge Matsuri, but with the Taiko drums replaced by the massive Thump-Thump of a Japanese 909. I hadn't seen so many English people, for such a long time, and now I was surrounded by 20,000 of them- all preparing themselves for the nights activities ahead. Rumours that Kraftwerk were not actually coming; perhaps an I.S.D.N. link, or just the robotic replacements, were all proven unfounded when I noticed Florian Schneider pop out from a staff cubicle, to have a quick look at his unknowing audience. He then wandered around the festival, accompanied with bodyguard and friends, visiting each tent in turn, with me secretly at his heels. I was surprised to see that no-one recognised him- all in black with shaved head - and yet, this was understandable, when comparing him with his electronic counterpart, that we are far more used to seeing. Night grew near, and so I waited at the front, for two hours in the 'Trans-Europe' stage, making sure I would get the best possible experience. By 9:00pm the tent was filling up, and by 10:00 it was rush hour at Shinjuku station; 5000 or so of us, tightly packed and expectant. The atmosphere had built up, and we were excited, and all in league. The tension grew further, as the lights went down, and cries shot out-15 minutes had passed and they were late. And then it began; a loud, echoing vocoded voice beamed out at us, and we hit back with huge roars of encouragement (looking back it sounded like all 5000 of us screamed at once) : "Ladies and Gentlemen...Die Mensch Maschinen...KRAFTWERK!" or words to that effect- who cared? we all went mad. The black curtains came down, the doorway to their sparkling white space studio opened and 'NUMBERS' hit us with full force. There they were; Ralf Hutter, Ott Pagenberg, Fritz Hilpert and Florian Schneider- the minimalistic foursome, huddled over their own personal, but seemingly united, electronic apparatus. Their equipment was identical, each having the same bank and consoles of computer, mixer and sound modules. I saw four AKAI samplers in there and noticed that their mini-monitors contained the same graphics as on the four larger video screens which hung over them. These were filled with patterns of numbers buzzing across in old N.E.C. font graphics, looking neatly computerized. Their clothes, I was happy to see, were not too dissimilar to what I was personally wearing: futuristic Star Trek turtle-neck tops, and all in black, bringing another meaning to the word 'M.I.B.' Below them, the floor was wrapped in neon and the lighting positively vibrated and pulsed. The complete audio-visual input, was a vision from the future and yet had no real difference from the images of the 1981 Tokyo concert. Kraftwerk were way ahead, as per usual. The beats and further screams, formed into "COMPUTER WORLD" and we heard Ralf for the first time on mike; this time with the words "C.I.A. and K.G.B. control the data memory" but luckily, with Kraftwerk in full charge of the follow up data bytes: "HOME COMPUTER" rang out its remixed rhythms, again with Ralf, 'Beaming us into the future'. Next up, came "MAN MACHINE", but disappointingly without the live vocoders- although it was a surprise to hear this track and a treat for some. The text 'Semi-human being' appeared on screen, and this resolved a long misunderstanding over the lyrics. What followed next was a great orchestral string solo introducing us to the electro-dance hit "TOUR DE FRANCE". This was the first video of the day, displaying nostalgic, black and white scenes of cross-country cycling- Kraftwerks, and especially Ralf's, personal statement on discipline and healthy exercise, complete with rhythmic electronic grunts and groans. A further roar of excitement hit in, when we all heard the familiar engine noise of David Bowie's favourite "AUTOBAHN". Compared with the fast beats earlier, this one felt a little slow; and the video looked a little dated with it's 70's style motorway bridges-but still, we all knew this one! It was fun, at last, to see this mix, live. There was a short pause, and then the tent reverberated with an intro of sinister chords and a deadly robot tone, reminding me, quite simply, of an old sci-fi episode of Dr.Who: "...1.5kgs of plutonium make a nuclear horror... One of these radioactive substances; krypton 85, will cause death, and skin cancer..." Boos and hisses resounded around the stage; this was definitely not for politically-correct wimps, here Kraftwerk were making a matter-of-fact statement on the state of Sellafield's nuclear reprocessing plant. Harking back to the nightmares of Chernobyl and Hiroshima, this track made its point, but with a good acid beat- Nikola Tesla(the inventor of free-energy), Einstein and especially Greenpeace, would have been proud. Notably, the British Radio One, supposedly-live, broadcast of this event, omitted most of the first half of the gig, and yet left this track in- I wonder if the same would have happened in other countries? "Radioactivity" is certainly evolving, going through many a remix (I would have preferred the Francois Kervorkian version but we can't have everything), to the now; 'Stop Radioactivity' showing their political stance, and common-sense awareness on such matters. Here Kraftwerk truly linked with the Tribal Gathering; with an extra cheer from me. A train-ride next, from the stage's namesake; "TRANS EUROPE EXPRESS", coming hand-in-hand with it's all too familiar chords. The backdrop screens became efficiently industrial as the music moved into "ABZUG" and "METAL ON METAL". The video here, was very well synchronized, as train clashed upon train, providing us with a near violent onslaught of images. It was here, I noticed the odd chord and misplaced key, as Kraftwerk went out of sync for a couple of bars, proving it was really live ; and as the curtains drew to their first close on this number, the crowd went completely crazy. Then behind the darkness came the bleeping sounds of "POCKET CALCULATOR" and the curtains drew back once more. Here were the Kling-Klang crew, out on stage, all with their personal remote-control midi devices and the people loved it. United clapping and all-round foot-stomping action, as the four-four kick drum set in, and at last the audience could witness true interaction. The team were enjoying themselves now, especially Florian (52), who played his remote in a completely theatrical manner accompanied with a little side jig. He was smiling away and they all looked happy. This was a completely improvised set now. All four devices controlling individually set midi-patterns, of which they could set off at a touch of a button. You could tell they were playing around with us, and Florian did so much enjoy bringing in his random musical patterns. And how great it was, when they pulled back the music for a moments joyful silence and then a jungle-style bass kicked in. "DENTAKU" took over and Ralf, dropped his exaggerated English vocals to a near-perfect one-tonal Japanese, tripping up only on: ' Sakkyoku suru ' . This was quite simply the best track of the day, and again, as the curtains closed to the enormous noise of the crowd and as the music slowed to a tuneful halt, Florian, with his little midi-box and cables in hand, did his imitation of playing an electric guitar, in a completely corny rock fashion- a total tongue-in-cheek poke at his predecessors. This time, there was a long pause, but we had no need to be impatient; soon came forth short bursts of bleeps, twangs and clanging effects. We all knew what was coming next. The curtains opened again to an empty stage, except for the four screens playing "THE ROBOTS" video. This broke off into more spacey effects and the crowd roared again as the screens scrolled up and the REAL robots made their appearance- animated to the tune of the "ROBOTNIK" mix. These replicants were in full mechanical swing, concentrating on entertaining us without their masters present. The Russian lad rocking next to me translated the lyrics without any prompting whilst strobe lighting blasted across our faces. Was this the end of the concert? Some people thought so, as the stage closed to black again, and some people moved off. The shouting was manic and a bouncer lunged at me, as I shot a pen-laser fanatically at the curtains. Would we get an encore? Yes, and more- the four Kraftwerkers came on stage with a new image: black spandex one piece clothing with green fluorescent grid lines, making them look like wireframe models from their own 3D world. It was like we were inside the studio set of 'TRON' but the green party raybands gave the game away. It was time for a rave, and new music (Yes! A NEW track, after all these years!) hit us unexpectedly from the booming speakers. It wasn't epic, but it was definitely Kraftwerks style, apart from the very obvious club bassline. It seemed just a bit of fun; changing from the bass to a long flanged chord and then over to some very spaced out effects very typical of them. They changed the beat for a second to a slight techno-pop feel but then brought it back again to the dominant kick and funky rave line- with Ralf overlaying some chords to finish the track off. I noticed the crowd really enjoyed the club element of this one. Finally, we were treated to the full works of "MUSIQUE NON STOP"- along with the great visual impact of Kraftwerk in their glowing suits, simulating their backscreen computer animations. Halfway through, Florian disappeared - we half expected he would come back, but no, he was gone forever now. Slowly, Fritz and then Ott, joined him by making their departures, leaving Mr.Hutter single-handedly on stage, alone on his space station. We knew we had reached the climax now, and watched as Ralf played a final improvised synth-string solo, and then turned and walked off stage, without looking back. The power then became so strong that you could hear the cheers all the way back to Dusseldorf. We were left with nothing but Kraftwerk's last words looping into infinity but the crowd had loved every minute of this well conceived and sequenced performance- and I had too. Outside we moved off to catch a glimpse of ORBITAL but their arena was completely packed out, they had started just as Kraftwerk had finished so no chance there. I took a place in the grass to rest my weary legs and caught the second half of the latest Star Trek film in the cinema tent, which brought upon some Deja Vu as it seemed I had already been there. It had become annoyingly cold, so when I had had enough rest I shot off for a piece of TOTAL ECLIPSE at the 'Amazon' Tribal/trance tent and then later, DAFT PUNK on the main stage at 'Planet Earth'. But nothing could simply compete when you had just had the futurist experience of the German power-plant boys, Kraftwerk. MIRAI. Of the INTELLIGENTSIA futurist group, Tokyo. http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~ummo KRAFTWERK- TRIBAL GATHERING CONCERT- TRACK LISTING 1. Intro. 2. Numbers/Computer World 3. Home computer 4. Man Machine 5. Tour De France 6. Autobahn 7. Sellafield Intro/Radio-activity 8. Trans-Europe Express/Abzug/Metal on Metal (curtain close) 9. Pocket Calculator/Dentaku (improvised mix) (curtain close) 10. FX Intro/The Robots/Robotnik (curtain close) 11. NEW TRACK ** 12. Boing Boom Tschak/Musique Non Stop (END) _ ____ ___ ___ _ _ _ ___ ___ ____ ___ ___ _ __ // // // // //_ // // // //_ //_ // // // //_ // //\\ // // // // //_ //_ //_ // //_/ //_ // // // __// // //__\\ OOO OOO T H E I N T E L L I G E N T S I A O O O O A global futurist starforce for the 21st century! O O OOO O O ALIEN REGISTRATION: http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~ummo O O O O Home of FUTURE music,art,literature,video & fashion OOO OOO *UMMO RECORDS* http://www.japan.co.jp/~ummo _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ www.geocities.com/Tokyo/9184 _/_/ www.geocities.com/Area51/7723 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 09:02:25 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) what's happened to Elecrtic music ? Mike Morgan said: I hope its not another 12 years before Karl Bartos brings out another CD. Personally I thought it was the CD that Kraftwerk should have made... >> I really couldn't agree more<< And the remixes of crosstalk were fab. >> As were the Lifestyle remixes but surely OVERDRIVE takes the biscuit, it is AWESOME!!<< Richard (Fir Orchard) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:28:27 +0200 From: Lars Bull Subject: (kw) Confirmation: Man-Machine... Hi! Just got confirmation from a local recordstore that Man-Machine is indeed re-released today but won't hit the record stores here until wednesday. No confirmation on if it will be released in both english and german nor if it will be a double-CD. Guess it will be all over europe within a week. By the way, there's a pretty catchy cover of Tour de France on the Swedish band Day Behaviour's first CD-single "Hello". Lars Bull "No RISC - no fun" MacForum =46=F6reningsgatan 31 411 27 G=F6teborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 =46ax: +46 31 721 31 01 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 22:11:59 -0700 From: Philip Pilgrim Subject: (kw) NEw Song? Hi, I heard the wav clip of the new song (Big THANKS Mike!) It threw me. It sounds much like early Depeche Mode. The only interesting sounds I noticed were filtersweeps/morphing. I guess that it is possible that one of the new "helpers" probably did this piece. It is too different from anything R&F have done to date. The melody-bass riff is annoying. Philip - -- Philip Pilgrim The Lab Audio Works 5 Evan's Drive - Analog/Digital Recording/Processing Hammond's Plains - Acoustic Analysis and Consulting Nova Scotia, Canada - Analog Synth Modification and Repair B4B 1M8 - Computer/Synth Interfacing - Hardware/Software Development Phone +1.902.835.7844 pilgrim@atcon.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:19:19 +0200 From: "Guderian" Subject: (kw)new song Hello everyone I haven=B4t head this new song, please can someone mail it to me I would be very greatful =D6jje B=F6j # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 10:39:50 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) * KRAFTWERK T.G. REPORT, Keyboard magazine, Tokyo Hi, here is the TG report for Japan's keyboard magazine (August). I am no reporter! so it was tough going, my job is music and multi-media design, but there were only about five of us from Japan at the Kraftwerk gig! >> I thought this was really interesting, but who on earth is this Ott Pagenberg?? What do we know about him?? Regards to all Richard<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:57:12 +0200 From: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk in Rome? Hello, did KW play in Rome, or was it just a rumour? Regards! //Robert - -- - - Robert Krenn http://www.daltekvision.se - - - tel 1: +46 (0)243 87858 tel 2: +46 (0)243 73504 - - - mob: +46 (0)70 5718622 fax: +46 (0)243 85402 - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:19:58 MET From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) "The Robots"-maxi cd can somebody on the list tell me what tracks are on the "The Robots"-maxi cd and if they also released a german version of this maxi ? thank you ! Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 11:13:15 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) NEw Song? The melody-bass riff is annoying. Philip >> If only you were there to hear the cheer that greeted that bassline when it kicked back in half way through - MAGIC!!<< # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:25:13 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk For Sale - --Message-Boundary-11862 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Just a note to say that I have just received my latest copy of the Hard To Find collectors catalogue and there are a few KW records for sale. Check em' out: Track Label Price Computer Games (Is this correct?) Ballroom 15.00 Musique Non-Stop EMI 20.00 Numbers Ballroom2 15.00 Radio Activity EMI (LP) 11.00 Tour De France Ballroom 15.00 Tour De France EMI 30.00 Trans Europe Express EMI (LP) 11.00 The LP signifies an album which is advertised as original UK copy and sealed, the Ballroom 12 inches are apparently USA promos and the EMI copies are UK 12 inches, original. This company, as you can see from their prices do charge un-earthly sums for certain items, but if you want to contact them, see the web site address below. - --Message-Boundary-11862 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Text from file 'http$$$hard-to-find.co.uk$.url' [InternetShortcut] URL=http://hard-to-find.co.uk/ - --Message-Boundary-11862-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:40:15 +0100 From: johan.andersson@allers.aller.se Subject: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 Computer Games (Is this correct?) Ballroom 15.00 4your in4mation-this is Y.M.O. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:48:52 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 Yes I know that Computer Games is a track by Y.M.O., but my question was mainly geared towards, is this the use of an incorrect word, or is there a remix of Computer World that we do not know about? Oh, by the way, these Ballroom 12 inches are 1996 releases! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) TIME PIE release Just got a message from Doreen D'Agostino: TIME PIE (U.S. release) is set to come out in September on Cleopatra Records (tel.#: 213-465-5438). It's already popping up as an import from EMI, but it's not too easy to find... Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 13:57:18 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 The bootleg of an '81 Utrecht concert I have lists one of the tracks as Computer Games/Metropolis. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 From: cland@acl.memec.com Cc: kraftwerk@xmission.com In-Reply-To: <199706231239.OAA25153@mailb.telia.com> at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 23/6/97 13:26 Yes I know that Computer Games is a track by Y.M.O., but my question was mainly geared towards, is this the use of an incorrect word, or is there a remix of Computer World that we do not know about? Oh, by the way, these Ballroom 12 inches are 1996 releases! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 97 12:15:00 +0200 From: arnaud@bookshop.epita.fr (ARNAUD DE BONALD) Subject: (kw) Listen to my cover of Neon Lights Hi all, I have just made a cover of the song Neon Lights. This cover is somewhat shorter than the original track. To get it, go to: http://myftp.worldnet.net/bonald/public/music/neonligh.mp3 Happy listening! Arnaud # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:43:06 MET From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) "The Robots"-maxi cd problem solved thank you to all who answered my question. there's only the problem left where i can find one but maybe one day i'll be lucky. Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:45:48 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) RE: From station to station... Tosh wrote: As for > Kraftwerk, why are they so damn lazy in getting new music out? Have they > become such perfectionist, that they are afraid of doing something new .. > or anything for that matter. > In my opinion KW are artists. And the first thing an artist wants to do is making art! So they don't care how often they make a new album and when it's time to make the next one, in the eyes of their listeners, of course. regards, TD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:17:39 -0500 From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) theme There has been some talk about what theme could be left for a new kraftwerk release. How about the space. From bikes to cars to shuttles, right? The could re-incarnate spacelab, right? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW covers, etc. Yes, I think the Siouxie cover (The Hall of Mirrors) is quite good. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:15:11 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Klaus Dinger A while back, Peter wrote: > the main concern is that Klaus Dingers role is sadly > neglected by Bussy. He had a major influence during the work with the > first Kraftwerk album. Klaus likes my site and I'm currently in contact > with him (snail mail). I have asked Klaus Dinger to confirm the above, and here is his response: > He had a major influence during the work with the first Kraftwerk album. Klaus Dinger states that his only direct input to the making of the album was that he played drums on side two of the album. > Klaus likes my site Klaus Dinger states that he doesn't even know the "Early Years" site, thus he has never said that he likes it. [He has no access to the Internet, by the way.] > I'm currently in contact with him Klaus Dinger states that he doesn't know a Peter from Sweden. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:16:30 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) * KRAFTWERK T.G. REPORT, Keyboard magazine, Tokyo Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk,internet writes:=20 >>> I thought this was really interesting, but who on earth is this Ott=20 >Pagenberg?? What do we know about him??=20 =20 I think the line up at Tribal Gathering was:=20 =20 Ralf Huetter, Henning Schmitz, Fritz Hilpert, Florian Schneider=20 =20 (from left to right on my KW-page at: "www.student.gu.se/~maka0067"=20 select the photo from Tribal, I've also added the new song=20 (MTV-excerpt))=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 P.S. Thanx to Klaus Zaepke who told me who was who : )=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:16:16 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Gossip Some gossip: Members of Kraftwerk were spotted partying with Nicolette [???] and Lady Miss Kier (Dee-Lite) at the Duesseldorf Malkasten recently, according to Loop 6/1997. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:39:40 -0400 (EDT) From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) Who is Ott? The article in the German magazine FOCUS covering TG and KW's appearance lists Ott Pagenberg as one of the performers rather than Henning Schmitz, but I've never heard of him before. They also have his name switched with Florian's, so mebbe the whole thing is a typo-- but it's the only printed lineup I'm aware of at this point. Hopefully this will all clear up on its own as more information gets out :-) Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:00:24 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Who is Ott? > The article in the German magazine FOCUS covering TG and KW's appearance > lists Ott Pagenberg as one of the performers rather than Henning Schmitz, > but I've never heard of him before. They also have his name switched with > Florian's, so mebbe the whole thing is a typo It is. The Focus people have quite obviously simply transcribed some of the credits from the "The Mix" album, and since Kraftwerk had only three members when "The Mix" was released, one (or two?) of their helpers became the fourth member in the Focus article. (ROF,L!) BTW: I've always thought that "Ott Pagenberg" are in fact two people: Gert Ott (who was also involved with the patent which was mentioned on this list recently) and somebody called Pagenberg. Is anybody able to confirm this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:02:51 +0600 From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: (kw) New Song The new song Mtv exerpt can be downloaded here, on my web space (no pages, though), also: http://www.wvinter.net/~epepper/NEWKRAFT.WAV Emmett # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:18:00 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Gossip At 09:16 PM 6/23/97 +0200, you wrote: > >Some gossip: >Nicolette [???] That's a lady singer, beautiful voice, is from Nigeria, lives in the UK. Made two albums of interest, 1st is seen as a pioneering breakbeat / drum & bass piece (produced by Shut Up & Dance). She's also a guest vocalist on the 2nd Massive Attack album as well. Recently teamed up with Plaid (=Black Dog) to release a weirde DJ mix kind-of 2CD thingy. Laterz, Statik. - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:35:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Memory3@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Re: ( ( ( ( ( ((Netwerk)) ) ) ) ) ) In a message dated 97-06-23 10:23:09 EDT, you write: << OK. This therefore even disqualifies Kraftwerk themselves. Remember kids, "1", "2", "Ralf und Florian" and even "Autobahn" used guitars, flutes, and other very much not exactly electronic things. What if I wanted to revise "Ruckzuck"? No flutes, right? Toss that one. What about, say..."Ananas Symphonie". Yep...chuck that customized steel guitar of Florian's the _hell_ out of there. "Mitternacht"? No violins! No can do! Just keep in mind this point: Kraftwerk did nine albums, not counting the rehashing on "The Mix". Of these, only five are pure electronics. Slightly over half. >> yes but kraftwerk only wants you to remember them starting in 1975. they do not even aknowledge any music prior to 1974. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:05:52 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) MIME-version: 1.0 hi, craig land wrote to the list, > Yes I know that Computer Games is a track by Y.M.O., but my question > was mainly geared towards, is this the use of an incorrect word, or > is there a remix of Computer World that we do not know about? > > Oh, by the way, these Ballroom 12 inches are 1996 releases! the 12" you are talking about is A: Tour de France / B: Computer Games Ballroom D 801 UK 96 the a-side contains two mixes of t.d.f., 6:45 min. and 6:47 min. both seem to be known remixes of 83/84. the b-side is in fact a 6:38 min. mix of y.m.o's computer game from their '79 album and has nothing to do with kw. hope this of interest for you. regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:24:41 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) "The Robots"-maxi cd hi, claudio wrote to the list: > can somebody on the list tell me what tracks are on the "The > Robots"-maxi cd and if they also released a german version of this > maxi ? you find 3 different uk-editions and a german edition EMI CD EM 192 - 4:54 Robotronik / 7:43 Robotnik / 3:47 The Robots (title written in red on cover), the third track is obviously not the above mentioned but an edit of Robotronik EMI CD EM 192 - 4:54 Robotronik / 7:43 Robotnik / 3:47 The Robots (title written in white on cover) EMI CD EM 192 - 4:54 Robotronik / 7:43 Robotnik / 3:47 The Robots (title written in white on cover) again the third track the edit of Robotronik EMI 1C 560-2 04325 2 - 3:44 Die Roboter / 7:44 Robotnik / 4:53 Robotronik (white title) hope this helps regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:27:05 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) "The Robots"-maxi cd CHIR3301@uni-trier.de (CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO) wrote : << can somebody on the list tell me what tracks are on the "The Robots"-maxi cd and if they also released a german version of this maxi ? >> I only know the german version: The tracks on "die roboter" (1991) are: 1.die roboter 2.robotnik - klingklang mix 3.robotronik - klingklang mix (the robot-ballet-dance-song) MfG Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:52:08 -0700 From: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Font Has anyone seen or created a Kraftwerk font. Since we all use computers, I would think by now there would be someone out there with a full character set of the "Kraftwerk" font (i.e. truetype fonts, etc...). Thanks Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:05:14 -0400 From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font OCR-A, a font that came with my Mac, looks just like the font used in the Electric Cafe credits. Only it comes out rather smooth on my laserprinter--you'd have to find some way to make it look like a dot matrix print out if you want it more Kraftwerk-y. I don't recall the name of the font that looks like an LED display, but I know that's also available, even as a freeware font, here in the web. Aldo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:42:53 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com has changed hello, you should already know about web robots that automatically notify you when a page change. this is what I received today: - -------------- start quote -------------- NetMind's "URL-minder" has detected new changes in: http://www.kraftwerk.com [...] There are currently 15 users registered for this page. The URL-minder: Your Own Personal Web Robot! http://www.netmind.com/URL-minder/ - -------- end quote ---------- maybe it's posible to give the list address to this robot so everybody now when it's time to check our heroes page? the warning mex is about 4k long and it contain some unobtrusive advertising, nothing disturbing. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:42:56 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) Elektrik Music concept talking about concept, when I first listened to EM album, my impression was that the "concept" concept was retained by Bartos too. I see that the album is all centered about language, communication and information. a lot of vocal sinthesis, remixes made just of them, and "Informations want to be free"... The spirit of a kind machine talking... Maybe good ol' Karl felt really to be oppressed by the "silence" Kraftwerk were keeping? anyway a really nice concept. hope to hear more about it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:42:50 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) TG site - help hello, I have a favour to ask. for the moment, I only have a very short account and a very slow set-up. it is not possible to me to use the web as I would. I see that exist a TG official site. I would have liked to go there to find for the info I want, but no way, the site is too large and/or my connection is too slow or unreliable. what I would have searched there was contacts to obtain K t-shirt, should them to be an official thing, and generic contact with the organization. you'll remember about the story of the Rome concert (incidentally, for today) I posted some days ago. the guys in the "organization" of this event told me that they were in contact with this guy Ian of the TG. I would like to find out if this is true and which sort of contact do they performed, if any. I am a little angry about this, for two reason. One, you cannot just promise a K concert knowing that it would be absolutely unlikely this will happen. Second, the event were to be free, so these guys are playing around with the city council money (and with the city council logo that was on the flyier). having a relatively lot of my income going away in taxes (and having been in the business of concert production - but risking our own money and face), this annoy me a lot. you could say, why don't you ask to the city council, then. because they are just lazy people that don't answer to the telephone, don't know, don't want to know, it's not my business and come another day (or you will found out how much public money I managed to give to my friend for silly reasons). could some kind soul search around on the TG site for these info? many thanks in advance, and let the Kraftwerk cause serve the public moralization too! :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:44:01 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) helpers? >Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:42:32 >To: Philip Pilgrim >From: lbo >Subject: helpers? > >>I heard the wav clip of the new song (Big THANKS Mike!) > >and again from me too. > >>It threw me. It sounds much like early Depeche Mode. >>The only interesting sounds I noticed were filtersweeps/morphing. > >I agree with you, even if I find the first DM interesting, too... > >>I guess that it is possible that one of the new "helpers" probably did > >for helpers you mean new human personnel? > >in this moment I'm working a lot with the new Office 97 autocompositions (if you used them you know what I'm talking about) so it come to my mind that there could be software that make you some question and "autocompose" the song you want... > >>this piece. It is too different from anything R&F have done to date. >> >>The melody-bass riff is annoying. > >I agree again, and I'm a little concerned about this shift... > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:44:26 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk in Rome? >Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:42:43 >To: robert.k@daltekvision.se (Robert Krenn) >From: lbo >Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk in Rome? > >At 12:57 23/06/97 +0200, you wrote: >>Hello,=20 >> >>did KW play in Rome, or was it just a rumour?=20 > >it was a rumour. > >the organizers let the rumour spread even if they already knew that it could not have been done. they put together a huge list of artists and then went around claiming that "most of the acts were confirmed". > >some friend of mine bought the ticket just for having seen Kraftwerk name on the flyers - it costed 50.000 liras (50 DM, 20 =A3, 30 $ - when this Euro is going to catch on?...) and no money back. > >I am very disappointed by this unprofessional and dishonest behaviour. > >They could have had a lot of people talking of the event by just telling around "listen, MAYBE Kraftwerk will play there - but we are not sure, we are just trying to book them...". Actually they were trying to get in contact with someone that should put them in contact with someone else at the TG that should have put them in contact with someone that maybe finally should have put them in contact with an eventual K management... > >this is what happen when you do things spending money that is somebody's= else. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:45:17 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font >Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 07:42:50 >To: "Larry R. LaCost Jr." >From: lbo >Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font > >>Has anyone seen or created a Kraftwerk font. Since we all use computers, I > >if you mess around with the Windows "system" font at low resolution with a bmp editor (say using a very small point size and then enlarging it a lot) you will obtain nice things, in the "Mix" style. you could also try enlarged version of the "small font". they both come as a standard dotation of MS Windows, any version. > >btw, Autobahn, Radioactivity and TEE use the font Futura, in the Book weight, if I'm not wrong. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 02:30:45 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font The typeface used on "Computer World" is a real typeface, called OCR-A, and I think it's available from Adobe. "Computer Games" is also the name of a George Clinton album; the often-sampled "Atomic Dog" is on that joint. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:22:15 +0200 From: Lars Bull Subject: (kw) Man-Machine reconfirmed... Just like we're used to: The Man-Machine re-release has been put up to the 23:rd of July. The record-store just e-mailed me the bad news. No word yet on a german-relase or if it's a double-CD or not. Lars Bull "No RISC - no fun" MacForum =46=F6reningsgatan 31 411 27 G=F6teborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 =46ax: +46 31 721 31 01 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:18:33 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font Yes the LED font is available, I have already used it on a sample Kraftwerk t-shirt design I wore at TG. I cannot remeber the software package we used to get it, I will find out in the next couple of days. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:44:58 +0200 From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: (kw) Ott Pagenberg Hello Klaus & the list (I forward this message to the list in hope that someone can help us out here). "Ott Pagenberg" > > at Parsytec in Aachen. This is a company for parallel supercomputers, > > one of the founders is Falk Kuebler, who is credited on Computerworld, This is very interesting. > So you were obviously right that "Ott Pagenberg" is only one person. Yes perhaps. But there is still some confusion here. Is Ott Pagenberg the full name? I mean, is this a person with the first name "Ott" and the surname "Pagenberg", or is it the surname of a person with a "double surname"? If you would expect any logic to the credits on "The Mix"-sleeve, then this is a double surname (all persons except the band-members (which includes Fritz Hilpert) are credited with their surname only). This suggests that there is a possibility that we are talking about ONE single person, probably named "Gert Ott Pagenberg". It sounds reasonable that he both works at Parsytec and invented the "real-time singing machine" together with Schneider. After all, Ott Pagenberg is credited for the Kling Klang-studio hardware. The information about Ott Pagenberg working at Parsytec (sorry, I don't know who provided this info) is written in a way so that you understand his first name to be "Ott" and the second name "Pagenberg". This gives us at least two different persons, one working at Parsytec and being credited on the "The Mix"-sleeve, and someone else inventing the "real-time-singing machine". You can also understand it that the person with the surname Ott Pagenberg never uses her/his first name. Mysterious. The third possible solution is that Ott and Pagenberg are two different persons. I don't belive so. Then the mistake on the sleeve would have been forgetting to separate the two names. And the information about Ott Pagenberg working at Parsytec would become totally inunderstandable. My guess is that there is a person called Gert Ott Pagenberg, who works with hardware for music technology, probably at Parsytec. Can anyone confirm this? /Conny Fornbäck Ps. Sorry if I'm boring all the people at the list. This excercise in Sherlock-thinking isn't very interesting. I think the possible result is quite interesting though. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:01:37 MET From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) Ott Pagenberg/i'm sorry !! sorry, it was my mistake ! i don't know how Henning Schmitz looks like and i didn't see the man on the photos of the TG-performance before. so i thought the "Focus"-magazine could be right and precise only one time in their existence. well finally they fooled me. i'm sorry for providing this false information. Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:38:05 -0400 (EDT) From: WaltonP@aol.com Subject: (kw) Bleep and Booster Hi all, I was wondering if any one out there has got a copy of the CD 'The World of Bleep and Booster' by Bleep and Booster. (10 tracks) I got my hands on a copy about 2 weeks ago and was totally blown away by how good it was, They are obviously influenced by Kraftwerk as they use some similar sounds and samples, however they also have there own distinctive sound which is outstanding. I was wondering what other peoples thoughts on this CD are, to those who have it, and for those I don't, I strongly recommend you get hold of a copy. (They have sold out from where I got it from!) Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:02:37 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font llacost@sand-piper.com (Larry R. LaCost Jr.),internet writes:=20 >Has anyone seen or created a Kraftwerk font. Since we all use=20 >computers, I=20 >would think by now there would be someone out there with a full=20 >character=20 >set of the "Kraftwerk" font (i.e. truetype fonts, etc...).=20 =20 The "Soviet propaganda" font used on Man-Machine is downloadable for=20 both Mac and PC (for free) at:=20 =20 http://www.itis.com/~wonko/kiwi/wonkofonts.html=20 =20 The font is called "Chyelovek".=20 =20 CUL8R ! ! !=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:40:43 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Gossip partying with Nicolette [???] As somebody gave an answer already to this, it reminds me on something different. When I was listening to the radio some years ago there was a radio-show in Berlin that was made by a woman named Monika Dietl. That is where I have much of my favourite music-aspects from, even so Nicolette, way long before anybody called anything drum'n'bass. (good stuff, in fact) Does somebody know something about Monika Dietl, maybe she makes a broadcast anywhere where I don't know. Most of the things to be heard in radio now isn't worth to mention, in my opinion. TD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Jun 1997 09:32:18 -0400 From: Puli@lanet.losandes.com.ar Subject: (kw) incomplete kraftwerk digests Hi. A couple of weeks ago I started to recieve kraftwerk digest incomplete, divided on two e-mail messages instead of 3 and with only the first messages listed on the topics lists. Am I the only one or there's something rong with the list server? Thanx Sergio Pulido Voy a salir a caminar solito a sentarme en la plaza a fumarme un porrito. (Andres Calamaro) NEW ADRESS ON 31/5: mailto:puli@lanet.losandes.com.ar # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:47:31 -0400 (EDT) From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: [none] Another good KW lookalike font is Kabel Book... Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:39:52 +0200 From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font I'm using the truetype font called Fujiyama (originally from Corel Draw I think). I comes very close to the Kraftwerk Font. Another font I used to use is: Futura from Abode. It's used to be implemented in Abode Type Manager for WFW3.11, however no Win95 version is known to me. >Has anyone seen or created a Kraftwerk font. Since we all use computers, I >would think by now there would be someone out there with a full character >set of the "Kraftwerk" font (i.e. truetype fonts, etc...). Dolf Wiemer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:46:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) what's happened to Elecrtic music ? i've also wondered the same thing. i recently got my hands on the "laif stail" (lifestyle) cd maxi single, which i quite like, but it's very dificult to find these remixes! i didn't even know that EM had released singles of crosstalk and overdrive! i do enjoy karl's work and have always believed he contributed alot to the kw effort (and sound). any suggestions on where i may be able to order the other singles (ie crosstalk, overdrive), maybe over the net or something?? many thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 16:28:32 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) Man-Machine reconfirmed... I posted this info to the list on June 9th after a chat I had with the International Department of EMI in London. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: (kw) Man-Machine reconfirmed... From: Lars Bull at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 24/6/97 7:55 Just like we're used to: The Man-Machine re-release has been put up to the 23:rd of July. The record-store just e-mailed me the bad news. No word yet on a german-relase or if it's a double-CD or not. Lars Bull "No RISC - no fun" MacForum =46=F6reningsgatan 31 411 27 G=F6teborg Sweden E-Mail: lars.bull@macforum.se WWW: www.macforum.se Telephone: +46 31 721 31 00 =46ax: +46 31 721 31 01 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 16:28:38 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger So, I guess the point of Klaus's e-mail was to public humiliate a fellow list member. That's not very amicable is it. I for one thought that this petty dispute was ancient history. If you two have a problem with each other why don't you settle it in private. _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: (kw) Klaus Dinger From: Klaus Zaepke at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 23/6/97 20:06 A while back, Peter wrote: > the main concern is that Klaus Dingers role is sadly > neglected by Bussy. He had a major influence during the work with the > first Kraftwerk album. Klaus likes my site and I'm currently in contact > with him (snail mail). I have asked Klaus Dinger to confirm the above, and here is his response: > He had a major influence during the work with the first Kraftwerk album. Klaus Dinger states that his only direct input to the making of the album was that he played drums on side two of the album. > Klaus likes my site Klaus Dinger states that he doesn't even know the "Early Years" site, thus he has never said that he likes it. [He has no access to the Internet, by the way.] > I'm currently in contact with him Klaus Dinger states that he doesn't know a Peter from Sweden. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:59:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) "The Robots"-maxi cd further to the european releases of 'the robots' maxi from EMI, the US release from Elektra (9 66526-2) contains : The Robots (single edit) 3:43 / Robotnik (kling klang extended mix ) 7:41 / Robotnik (kling klang mix) 4:51. i haven't seen the EMI covers, but the one from elektra is probably very similar (chartreuse background [reminiscent of CW], ralph robot, 'kraftwerk' in red letters, 'the robots' in white inverse text over black rectangle). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 19:52:00 +0200 From: Peter Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger >From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk >Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger > >So, I guess the point of Klaus's e-mail was to public humiliate a fellow list >member. That's not very amicable is it. I for one thought that this petty >dispute was ancient history. If you two have a problem with each other why don't >you settle it in private. I couldn't have said it better myself. This "dispute" is no longer of any interest to the list and I say "case closed". Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68-'73 (I'm still working on my update) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:17:35 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger > From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk > > So, I guess the point of Klaus's e-mail was to public humiliate a fellow list > member. The point was to present Klaus Dinger's version. > That's not very amicable is it. I think that it is also not very amicable to associate somebody with quotes which appear to be untrue. > From: Peter > > I couldn't have said it better myself. This "dispute" is no longer of > any interest to the list Strange! So why have you made your statements about Klaus Dinger on the list if you think that they are not of any interest? For my part, I am certainly very interested in Klaus Dinger's role in Kraftwerk, so if you have any information, please share with us. I am also puzzled why he denies your claims, and I would be interested in your version of the story. (Feel free to mail me privately, if you really think that this is not of interest to the Kraftwerk list.) Thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:59:13 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Foreshadowing the "CD". Take a look at the Musicomix insert of your 'Ralf & Florian' album, and you'll find illustrations that correspond to each of the 6 tracks on the album. The corresponding illustration for the track "Elektrisches Roulette" depicts a green field (with traffic cone in lower right), an electric-blue lightning-filled sky (with antenna tower looming in the background), and a huge spinning disc from which eminates music and upon which stands a dancing girl. Perhaps it's the manner in which the light is hitting it, but the disc appears to be somewhat chrome in color and one can interpret the letters "C" and "D" in the center of it. We've always spoken about how Kraftwerk were ahead of their time, but perhaps they were prophecying the advent of the compact disc and no-one picked up on the signs! Hehe.. Ok, so I'm stretching things just a wee bit, but I thought it was a cute interpretation. :) P.S. - Has anyone ever attempted to transcribe the sheet music found on the illustration for "Tongebirge"? I was just wondering if that was the sheet music for the song "Tongebirge" itself or something else. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Ananas Symphonie...Ananas Symphonie..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:00:00 +0200 From: Conny Fornbäck Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk wrote: > > So, I guess the point of Klaus's e-mail was to public humiliate a fellow list > member. That's not very amicable is it. I for one thought that this petty > dispute was ancient history. If you two have a problem with each other why don't > you settle it in private. Hey, come on! I personally don't like the concept of public humiliation, but this was obviously not the purpose of Klaus' message. Rather he corrected info, giving the rest of us a chance to judge the value of the Dinger-info better. I think it is important that we keep correcting each other when we are wrong, to avoid disinformation and unfounded rumours. If this correction led to a bit of humiliation, it is no-ones fault but Peter's. At least as long as Klaus Zaepke is right, which is up to Peter to disprove. regards /Conny # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:29:01 MET-2MED From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font On 24-Jun-97 A.D., Mats Kadmark carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font": >llacost@sand-piper.com (Larry R. LaCost Jr.),internet writes: >>Has anyone seen or created a Kraftwerk font. Since we all use >>computers, I >>would think by now there would be someone out there with a full >>character >>set of the "Kraftwerk" font (i.e. truetype fonts, etc...). > >The "Soviet propaganda" font used on Man-Machine is downloadable for >both Mac and PC (for free) at: > >http://www.itis.com/~wonko/kiwi/wonkofonts.html > >The font is called "Chyelovek". And there's of course the "Kraftwerk" font at: http://www.bitstream.net/chankstore/kraftwerk.html This is also an MM-ish font and is available in truetype and postscript versions. The drawback is that it costs $30! - -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:52:59 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk wrote: > > So, I guess the point of Klaus's e-mail was to public humiliate a > fellow list member. That's not very amicable is it. I for one thought > that this petty dispute was ancient history. If you two have a problem > with each other why don't you settle it in private. On the contrary, all cross-checking of facts is useful for everybody, and helps keeping rumours straight. There were a few nasty hoaxes on this list's past, and the result was only a general discredit of the list as a whole--quite a few members signed off shortly after, an attitude that may have been hastily taken, but nevertheless understandable. Regards. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:29:40 +0200 From: Oli Subject: Re: (kw) Remix bootlegs for sale Lars Nellemann wrote: > Since a few people have requested more info on the Kraftwerk > Remix Bootlegs that I'm selling - here it goes: > > They are all CD-R, CD-recordables, there is no difference between > > The price for each CD is 30 US$, that includes everything - CD-R, > Recording, Postage, Padded envelope etc. I know the price is a bit > high. But the copying of CD's do take some time - and each CD take > up 700 Mb on my harddrive, and postage airmail from Denmark is > rather expensive - If you don't like the price it's quite all right, > then don't buy ;-) Hey come on! 30 bucks for a copy of a bootleg. Don't you think this is a 'little' bit too much for this stuff?! Ya better go out on one of the next record-fairs and buy them as originals for half the price! BTW: Maybe you can lend me your masters of the bootlegs so I can burn some too and order my Mercedes S600-Brabus next week! haha! Auf wiederlesen, Oli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:58:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: (kw) kw desktop theme?? does anyone on the list know if there are any kraftwerk desktop themes available for us windows95 users?? it just occured to me that this would be a cool idea, but as yet, i've not come across any on the web. perhaps someone here with an interest (and the proper theme 'editor' ) could propose some designs and distribute them to the list. anyone else think this is a good idea? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 06:18:00 +0200 From: ZAWREL Johann / GFW Subject: (kw) Article There is a 2 page article about KW in the austrian mag 'WIENER' Bye, Johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:11:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Nellemann Subject: Re: (kw) Remix bootlegs for sale > > > Lars Nellemann wrote: > > Since a few people have requested more info on the Kraftwerk > > Remix Bootlegs that I'm selling - here it goes: > > > > They are all CD-R, CD-recordables, there is no difference between > > > > The price for each CD is 30 US$, that includes everything - CD-R, > > Recording, Postage, Padded envelope etc. I know the price is a bit > > high. But the copying of CD's do take some time - and each CD take > > up 700 Mb on my harddrive, and postage airmail from Denmark is > > rather expensive - If you don't like the price it's quite all right, > > then don't buy ;-) > > Hey come on! 30 bucks for a copy of a bootleg. Don't you think this > is a 'little' bit too much for this stuff?! Ya better go out on one > of the next record-fairs and buy them as originals for half the price! Since Oli have the great gift of having acces to all these Kraftwerk bootlegs at 15$ a piece - why don't you help your fellow listmembers and offer them to distribute these goodies at 15$ a piece? Well, think about it Oli - I don't think you will. I made the list memebers an offer - they can refuse, ignore, delete or accept - but you were the only one who knew better!!! > > BTW: Maybe you can lend me your masters of the bootlegs so I can burn > some too and order my Mercedes S600-Brabus next week! haha! You have a distortet sense of the meaning of profit. Lars > > Auf wiederlesen, Oli - -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * Royal Veterinary & Agricultural * * * University * * ******************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:23:42 +0900 From: Hiroshi MURATA Subject: Re: (kw) Remix bootlegs for sale Dear Lars, I'm a Kraftwerk fan living in Tokyo. Am interested in your bootleg CD-R. Thank you so much for organizing for copies. If you are okay, may I ask you for a copy? As soon as I know your postal address, I'll send US$ 30.00 in cash to your address. (Or, in case you have something which you want me to send from Japan, please let me know. ) Here's my postal address (in case I forget to inform you later). Hiroshi Murata 2-17-8-608 Honcho Kokubunji Tokyo 185 Japan All the best, Hiroshi Murata. > Hi > > Since a few people have requested more info on the Kraftwerk > Remix Bootlegs that I'm selling - here it goes: > > They are all CD-R, CD-recordables, there is no difference between > a commercial CD you buy in the shops and this CD-R - they carry the > same kind of digital information, and can be played at any CD-player. > > The Tracks are all of excellent quality - there's some needle-noise > on the tracks that was never on CD. > > The CD's come with a black/white photocopy of the original artwork. > > The price for each CD is 30 US$, that includes everything - CD-R, > Recording, Postage, Padded envelope etc. I know the price is a bit > high. But the copying of CD's do take some time - and each CD take > up 700 Mb on my harddrive, and postage airmail from Denmark is > rather expensive - If you don't like the price it's quite all right, > then don't buy ;-) > > You mail me 30 US$ for one or 60 US$ for two etc, in cash airmail - > registered if you don't want to take any risk. No checks or money > orders please. And PLEASE don't mail me checks or money orders, if > you mail me a 30$ check - I'll have to pay a 15$ fee to cash it here. > > I mail you the CD, when I receive the money - airmail, anywere in > the world. > > If you're still interested mail me at nelleman@biobase.dk ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo, Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:19:12 -0600 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:18:46 +-200 Hello there! Just thought you=B4d like to know that I=B4ve got some CD-singles for = sale: Kraftwerk - Radioactivity + 2 Kraftwerk - Die Roboter + 2 Elektric Music - Lifestyle + 4 Elektric Music - TV + 1 Elektric Music - Crosstalk + 2 Please sen offers to siloverup@algonet.se I will trade for german copies (language) of Kraftwerk CD=B4s *************************************************************************= * Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden ************#We=B4re Charging Our Batteries, And Now We=B4re Full Of = Energy#************ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 04:41:54 -0400 (EDT) From: WaltonP@aol.com Subject: (kw) Bleep & Booster. Hi all, I was wondering if anyone else out there has got a copy of the CD 'The World of Bleep and Booster' by Bleep and Booster. (10 Tracks) I managed to get hold of a copy about 2 weeks ago and was blown away be just how good it was. They obviously are heavily influenced by Kraftwerk as many of the sounds are similar and they use several KW samples. However, these are no cowboy band trying to copy them. They have there own distinct sound as well, which is outstanding. I would like to here other peoples views on this CD,and for those who do not have it I recommend strongly that you get a copy. Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:46:32 +0200 From: Bob Weustink Subject: Re: (kw) kw desktop theme?? Havok24@aol.com wrote: > > does anyone on the list know if there are any kraftwerk desktop themes > available for us windows95 users?? On this page there is one. http://home1.swipnet.se/~w-13119/ With a nice review And it points to... Bob Weustink bwe@dds.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~bwe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 02:54:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Nexus Subject: (kw) Bootleg: administrative hiccups Hi, I just want to let you know that, among about 40% of the packages I've received so far, there was no cash to cover postage costs at all. I'm not making any theories, as I have no means to know why there wasn't. Now, as I've said to some of you, I don't want my honesty to be put in doubt, so all I've received so far, I'll send back, with the CD recorded. BUT, if things go on that way until, say, the end of this week, I'll cancel the whole thing. It means, every package received after Friday will be returned unopened, and that will be it. If the money was "lost" at customs or elsewhere, it's not my problem. It's up to the sender to protect it better. So let's hope for everyone who wants this disc that things get better, because if not, only a handful of you will have it. That's all for now. Nexus _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 19:49:41 JST From: "INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe)" Subject: Re: (kw) Who is Ott?> OTT is on the E.C. CD At 03:39 PM -0400 23/6/97, Christopher Gross wrote: > The article in the German magazine FOCUS covering TG and KW's appearance > lists Ott Pagenberg as one of the performers rather than Henning Schmitz, > but I've never heard of him before. They also have his name switched with > Florian's, so mebbe the whole thing is a typo-- but it's the only printed > lineup I'm aware of at this point. Hopefully this will all clear up on its > own as more information gets out :-) > Check the people listing on the ELECTRIC CAFE CD.... There you will find Mr.OTT. (I thought it was OTTO, but no...) So he has been with them for a long time.... Klang. ION _ ____ ___ ___ _ _ _ ___ ___ ____ ___ ___ _ __ // // // // //_ // // // //_ //_ // // // //_ // //\\ // // // // //_ //_ //_ // //_/ //_ // // // __// // //__\\ OOO OOO T H E I N T E L L I G E N T S I A O O O O A global futurist starforce for the 21st century! O O OOO O O ALIEN REGISTRATION: http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~ummo O O O O Home of FUTURE music,art,literature,video & fashion OOO OOO *UMMO RECORDS* http://www.japan.co.jp/~ummo _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ www.geocities.com/Tokyo/9184 _/_/ www.geocities.com/Area51/7723 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 20:52:57 JST From: "INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe)" Subject: Re: (kw) New Song!! Not bad...!! I just heard the MTV version of the new KRAFTWERK track!!!!! Whoa!! love it! When I heard it at T.G. I thought it was a bit corny, but to hear the 'clean' version, I think it is great. I like the bass now, because of the nice tight flange, which kind of reminds me of the Pet Shop Boys 'SO HARD'. Anyway, when can we get the CD single?? (I suppose that is the next tactic...) peace MIRAI _ ____ ___ ___ _ _ _ ___ ___ ____ ___ ___ _ __ // // // // //_ // // // //_ //_ // // // //_ // //\\ // // // // //_ //_ //_ // //_/ //_ // // // __// // //__\\ OOO OOO T H E I N T E L L I G E N T S I A O O O O A global futurist starforce for the 21st century! O O OOO O O ALIEN REGISTRATION: http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~ummo O O O O Home of FUTURE music,art,literature,video & fashion OOO OOO *UMMO RECORDS* http://www.japan.co.jp/~ummo _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ www.geocities.com/Tokyo/9184 _/_/ www.geocities.com/Area51/7723 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 21:24:13 +0900 From: blanks@super.win.or.jp (BLANKS) Subject: Re: (kw) New Song!! Not bad...!! At 8:52 PM 97.6.25 +0900, INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe) wrote: >I just heard the MTV version of the new KRAFTWERK track!!!!! > >Whoa!! love it! > >When I heard it at T.G. I thought it was a bit corny, >but to hear the 'clean' version, I think it is great. >I like the bass now, because of the nice tight flange, which kind >of reminds me of the Pet Shop Boys 'SO HARD'. Congratulations! but i could not listen to new track with admiration. Given a <> yawn. Sincerely yours. from Tokyo Japan SAKURA UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:59:37 -0400 (EDT) From: WaltonP@aol.com Subject: (kw) Bleep & Booster Cat. No. Hi folks. I work away in the week, but I am back at home on Friday. I shall post the Cat. No and record label details at the weekend. Watch this space. Phil. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:58:17 +0200 From: Thorsten Dowe Subject: Re: (kw) Who is Ott?> OTT is on the E.C. CD INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe) wrote: > > lists Ott Pagenberg as one of the performers rather than Henning > > Check the people listing on the ELECTRIC CAFE CD.... Sorry, but not on mine. German version, EMI Records, Electric Cafe CD, no Ott Pagenberg mentioned! TD # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 16:49:43 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) Shock Kraftwerk/Alien Connection!! There's been a lot of media coverage in the UK to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the first reported sighting of "flying saucers". All of a sudden it struck me: There's an uncanny resemblance between the alien in the Roswell autopsy video and the now hairless and old Florian Schneider!! Spooky. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 97 16:49:29 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: (kw) what's happened to Elecrtic music ? Overdrive - released as a single?? Now that I MUST have!! _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: (kw) what's happened to Elecrtic music ? From: Havok24@aol.com at INTERNET-UUCP Date: 24/6/97 18:20 i've also wondered the same thing. i recently got my hands on the "laif stail" (lifestyle) cd maxi single, which i quite like, but it's very dificult to find these remixes! i didn't even know that EM had released singles of crosstalk and overdrive! i do enjoy karl's work and have always believed he contributed alot to the kw effort (and sound). any suggestions on where i may be able to order the other singles (ie crosstalk, overdrive), maybe over the net or something?? many thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:20:31 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Who is Ott?> OTT is on the E.C. CD >> Check the people listing on the ELECTRIC CAFE CD.... > >Sorry, but not on mine. German version, EMI Records, Electric Cafe CD, >no Ott Pagenberg mentioned! To clear up some of the confusion, I believe that whoever posted the original message was referring to 'The Mix' and not 'Electric Cafe'. Both the English and German versions of 'The Mix' credit Ott Pagenberg, whereas the name is not mentioned anywhere on 'Electric Cafe'. - -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:11:09 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font Emanuel Mair wrote: > > > > >The "Soviet propaganda" font used on Man-Machine is downloadable for > >both Mac and PC (for free) at: > > > >http://www.itis.com/~wonko/kiwi/wonkofonts.html > > > >The font is called "Chyelovek". > Amazing. I've ben on this list for about an hour and already I find my fonts turning up. Actually, it wasn't modeled directly after the ManMachine font...it comes from an old soviet propaganda poster I had an image of, slightly modified for latin characters...then again, they're both the same style of font, so who knows. Close enough, I suppose. And the name "Chyelovek" translates to "Man" which is not a coincidence. :) I was, in fact, listeneg to Kraftwerk when I came up with that font. The album in question was Computerworld, though. - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= Generally you don't see that kind of behavior in a major appliance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:11:54 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) what's happened to Elecrtic music ? hi, Havok24 wrote to the list: > i didn't even know that EM had released singles of crosstalk and > overdrive! i do enjoy karl's work and have always believed he > contributed alot to the kw effort (and sound). any suggestions on > where i may be able to order the other singles (ie crosstalk, > overdrive), maybe over the net or something?? there is only a german edition of 'crosstalk' known, in three different versions - - 12" SPV 050-110365 - - MCD SPV 056-110363 ltd. 5000, fold out digipack - - 10" SPV 050-110365 promo A: Crosstalk / B: Intercomix they are, as most of the EM releases, hard to find. the 10" promo i saw twice in uk-record collector but prices were very high (mad is the right word) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 19:25:19 -0400 From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) want to buy the german language CDs >Oh my dear, and what about AUTOBAHN ??????? >I live in Germany and thats one of the most sold "classic" cd ! Yes of course, 'Autobahn' was also released separately in Germany. I just did not mention it in my previous post because I was specifically referring to Kraftwerk albums that were released in separate English and German language versions, whereas 'Autobahn' is an identical German-language recording in all countries it was released in. - -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 97 03:46:05 UT From: "Andrew Walk" <_Depeche_@msn.com> Subject: (kw) Hello again/Rumors I have been off the list for a while and was wondering what is up with the rumors I have been hearing about a new song? Andrew _Depeche_@msn.com apw11@csufresno,edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 07:30:11 +0200 From: lbo Subject: (kw) dot matrix fonts talking about fonts, have you seen that there are some dot-matrix-like ttf fonts? ttf is a vectorial format. these font are made of little circumferences places around as a dot-matrix printer would have impacted its pins. dot matrix it all the opposite of vectorial, and very lo-tech. now we have vectorial fonts used to recreate this less-than-bitmap image... very snob... and I see a semantic loop there... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 07:30:08 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Font At 18:39 24/06/97 +0200, you wrote: > >I'm using the truetype font called Fujiyama (originally from Corel Draw I yes, the font Fujiyama is a a perfect clone of the Futura, practically just Futura renamed, in all its weights. for what I know, it first come out with the release 2 of Corel Draw, when this program was still using its own format for the fonts. other clones of other famous font were also provided, some of them beginning to live their own life (eg, the Casablanca, twin of the original Caslon, was elaborated in an "antique" look and used by the Sisters of Mercy in all their releases) and coming also in the universal ttf format. I suppose this practice of giving other names close but not too similar to the original f the same font was originated by (c) problems, but don't know exactly. it seem a little silly and confusing, to me. for those who like fonts, I suggest a visit to the alt.binaries.font newsgroup. fonts are often downloaded and there are news about sites where you can find free fonts etc. >implemented in Abode Type Manager for WFW3.11, however no Win95 version is >known to me. any ttf font will work for almost any program for win 3.* and for all programs for w95. you can find around many (c) free clones of futura and led font. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:07:12 +0200 From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Hello again/Rumors >I have been off the list for a while and was wondering what is up with the >rumors I have been hearing about a new song? the new song is made of rumours. sorry, couldn't resist... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 07:04:03 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Who is Ott?> OTT is on the E.C. CD [and on the MIX] Hi! In einer eMail vom 25.06.97 23:58:53 MEZ, schreibt ian-p@ascii.co.jp (INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe)): << Check the people listing on the ELECTRIC CAFE CD.... There you will find Mr.OTT. >> Just check THE MIX, too: ...HARDWARE * BLANK * ... * OTT PAGENBERG * REHBERG PHOTO * ... So, I don't know, if the man on the FOCUS - picture (with the small beard) is Henning Schmitz or Ott Pagenberg! cu Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 08:44:17 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: (kw) Lassigue? Maybe this has already come up... Anyone else here listen to Lassigue Bendthaus? He's very influenced by Kraftwerk, particulalry his earlier stuff (Matter, Cloned). His newer stuff is a bit less werkian but nonetheless... It's absolutely brilliant stuff... - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= Generally you don't see that kind of behavior in a major appliance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:19:42 -0700 From: Rui Inacio Subject: (kw) KW in Drum'n'bass shock! > How about we do a drum n' bass remix album of Kraftwerk, like the one > done for Art of Noise. As long as it's better than the AON one... I still regret the money I've spent on it. Cheers. Rui # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:36:33 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New Tribal Gathering press reviews The July issues of Mojo (UK) and Spex (Germany) contain reviews of Kraftwerk's appearance at the Tribal Gathering festival. The Mojo review contains a large colour photo ("The Man Machine"), the Spex review has eight small colour photos from "The Man Machine" (3), "Autobahn", "Radioactivity", Pocket Calculator", "The Robots" and "Musique non stop". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Who is Ott? Hi! In einer eMail vom 25.06.97 23:58:53 MEZ, schreibt ian-p@ascii.co.jp (INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe)): << Check the people listing on the ELECTRIC CAFE CD.... There you will find Mr.OTT. >> You can find his name also at the credits of THE MIX: ...* HARDWARE * ... * OTT PAGENBERG * ... Perhaps he did/does a similar work like Fritz. I don't know. Has anybody ever spoken to Henning Schmitz ? Perhaps the man on the FOCUS-picture (with the small beard) and at TG IS Ott Pagenberg and not Henning ?? Well, I don't know. cu Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 10:56:37 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) what's happened to Elecrtic music ? > - 10" SPV 050-110365 promo > A: Crosstalk / B: Intercomix > > they are, as most of the EM releases, hard to find. the 10" promo i saw > twice in uk-record collector but prices were very high Hmmm . . . how high? I have two. :-) - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:19:33 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Doepfer and Kraftwerk From=20http://www.doepfer.de/home_d.htm: > Latest News > > Der Auftritt von KRAFTWERK auf dem TRIBAL GATHERING 97 am 24.Mai.97 in=20 > Luton/England war ja wohl der absolute Kn=FCller. Auf der B=FChne waren= =20 > nat=FCrlich eine Reihe unserer Ger=E4te zu sehen. In Heft 23 von > FOCUS ist ein 3-seitiger Bericht (Seite 184-186) =FCber das Konzert zu=20 > finden. Auf der linken Seite des B=FChnenfotos ist sehr gut das=20 > SCHALTWERK zu erkennen, bei den Mini-Keyboards auf den Fotos der > Einzelmusiker handelt es sich um unsere Mini-MIDI-Keyboards MMK2 (leider= =20 > nicht mehr erh=E4ltlich). > =DCbrigens sind die Fotos von Florian Schneider und Ott Pagenberg vertaus= cht. English version (http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm): > Latest News > > The KRAFTWERK concert at the TRIBAL GATHERING 97 on 24th May 97 in=20 > Luton/England was fabulous. Of course some DOEPFER equipment was to be=20 > seen on stage. In the German news magazine FOCUS there is a report=20 > about the concert (issue 23, pages 184-186). On the stage photo our > SCHALTWERK is to be seen on the left page (between Ralf and Ott). The=20 > mini keyboards on the single musician fotos at page 186 are our=20 > mini-MIDI-keyboards MMK2 (no longer available). By the way the > photos of Florian and Ott are exchanged by mistake. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) RE: who is Ott ? Hi! ian-p@ascii.co.jp (INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe)) wrote: >Check the people listing on the ELECTRIC CAFE CD.... >There you will find Mr.OTT. You will also find him on THE MIX in the "hardware"-section. Maybe he did/does similar work like Fritz. I don't know, how Henning or Ott look like. (perhaps the man with the beard IS Ott ?) cu Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:46:30 +0200 From: Oli Subject: Re: (kw) Remix bootlegs for sale Lars Nellemann wrote: > Since Oli have the great gift of having acces to all these Kraftwerk > bootlegs at 15$ a piece - why don't you help your fellow listmembers > and offer them to distribute these goodies at 15$ a piece? On a good record-fair you should be able to find this bootlegs! > > Well, think about it Oli - I don't think you will. I made the list > memebers an offer - they can refuse, ignore, delete or accept - but > you were the only one who knew better!!! And I did reply, what's the ploblem! > > > BTW: Maybe you can lend me your masters of the bootlegs so I can burn > > some too and order my Mercedes S600-Brabus next week! haha! > > You have a distortet sense of the meaning of profit. > Of course no one will be able to make such a profit with copying some bootleg CD's. So please cool down! I know how much work it is to arrange a good CD-DA. You can spend hours and hours (sometimes days) with those huge .wav-files until they sound the way you like it. Sorry! Oli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:48:26 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) what's happened to Elecrtic music ? hi, Lazlo Nibble wrote to the list: >> - 10" SPV 050-110365 promo >> A: Crosstalk / B: Intercomix >> >> they are, as most of the EM releases, hard to find. the 10" promo i >> saw twice in uk-record collector but prices were very high > > Hmmm . . . how high? I have two. :-) in issue 213 of record collector (may 97), the mail order serrvice "esprit" offered: "ELEKTRIC MUSIC Crosstalk (Official private pressing promo-only 10", as featured in October '93 Record Collector interview, plays the title track b/w intercomix, in hand-stamped white 10" sleeve, the rarest...) 95.00" 95 british pounds = 260 DM = 150 $ if those guys aren't crazy, who else??? i spend a lot of money in buying kw- (and related) records, but i couldn't believe my eyes when i saw that ad for the first time. a couple of month ago i saw an ad of paul wilkinson (one of the organizer of the kw-convention in '93 and '94 in the uk) in the "sales and auction" part of the same magazin. he offered a few em-records, signed by emil schult respective karl bartos for prices between 80 and 150 pounds. btw, can someone of the us-subscribers of the list mail me private concerning prices of inner-us-flights (espacially n.y.-l.a.)? thanks (sorry to be off-topic) regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:58:49 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg: administrative hiccups hi, Nexus wrote to the list: > I just want to let you know that, among about 40% of the packages I've > received so far, there was no cash to cover postage costs at all. I'm > not making any theories, as I have no means to know why there wasn't. > > Now, as I've said to some of you, I don't want my honesty to be put in > doubt, so all I've received so far, I'll send back, with the CD > recorded. > > BUT, if things go on that way until, say, the end of this week, I'll > cancel the whole thing. > > It means, every package received after Friday will be returned > unopened, and that will be it. > > If the money was "lost" at customs or elsewhere, it's not my problem. > It's up to the sender to protect it better. > > So let's hope for everyone who wants this disc that things get better, > because if not, only a handful of you will have it. i can't believe that this has happened!!! what about fellowship amongst 'werkers'??? those behaviour makes me sick, it's a VERDAMMTE SCHWEINEREI!!! (i won't translate it, watch your dictionary) nexus: there is money in MY envelope, believe me (if you get it)! regards (to everyone who pays for p+p) werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: rhodri kasperbauer Subject: (kw) new member I've been observing the Kraftwerk dialogue here with interest for the last few months. Ironically, it's only now with the closure of my college www access that I'm trying to subscribe (will this free www.rocketmail.com werk?). OK, first bought single of Autobahn in '75. Was stunned by T.E.E. (as had never hearding anything so precise and systematic before). In 1982, trying to find lp autobahn in UK, not available, only Canadian version...now that I live in Canada the situation remains...bewildering mix of 'import' editions and Canadian releases at variety of prices. ok, send out a question time, has anyone ever compiled definitive chart listings for all different countries?. For the record, the only entry here was Autobahn...enetered on April 12,1975, peaked Jun 7. Highest chart position was 12. Meanwhile, Billboard (USA?) 'peak' is listed as 25. But then remember that Canada has a smaller population than California! Take Care, Rhodri K. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 02:28:41 +0200 From: Peter Subject: (kw) Klaus Dinger >Klaus Dinger states that his only direct input to the making of the album >was that he played drums on side two of the album. If this really is Klaus Dingers statement I won't disagree. But it would be interesting to hear more about his involvement in the recording of the album. From mail list archive 1-100 I found this: >> By far, the most interesting thing about this compilation are the liner notes >> which mention how Ralf and Florian met a Dusseldorf conservatory in 1968; >> opened Kling Klang in 1970; released their first album titled "Kraftwerk" >> [wrong] with Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother who later formed Neu; Neu >> lasted for three albums [wrong?]; Dave Brock of Hawkwind wrote the liner >> notes for Neu's first album "Neu" [who cares?]. >Interesting info there...it reopens for me the debate on whether or not >Dinger and Rother are lurking about on at least the _first_ track on >"Kraftwerk" (yep, that's the first album). "Ruckzack", the cut in >question, >sounds _nothing_ like the rest of the album, but does sound rather >NEU!-ish. >According to the "Black Forest Gateau" notes, though, there should be >another >23 minutes of NEU!-Werk if "Ruckzack" comprises eight minutes of the 35 >that supposedly exist somewhere (in the late Konrad Plank's tape >vaults? >Klingklang? With Rother or Dinger? where might it be?). Having listened to Ruckzack and the tracks on NEU!2 I think that their is a similarity beetwen them that is rather NEU!ish. However I don't have an answer to the question "who influenced who?" and I don't want to start another flame on this one too. Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68-'73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:24:36 +0200 From: Farki Subject: Re: (kw) Lassigue? Hello! >Anyone else here listen to Lassigue Bendthaus? He's very influenced by >Kraftwerk, particulalry his earlier stuff (Matter, Cloned). His newer >stuff is a bit less werkian but nonetheless... Their KraftWerk-influence is indisputable. Many people said in the beggining of 90's that Lassigue Bendthaus will be the new KraftWerk. Well, I wouldn't go so far, but the music really great. "Matter" and "Cloned" are good, but my favorit is "Render Audible". BTW, have Lassigue released something since the maxi "Overflow"? - Farki - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 04:27:09 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg: administrative hiccups Message text written by donald >i can't believe that this has happened!!! what about fellowship amongst 'werkers'??? those behaviour makes me sick, it's a VERDAMMTE SCHWEINEREI!!! (i won't = translate it, watch your dictionary) nexus: there is money in MY envelope, believe me (if you get it)! regards (to everyone who pays for p+p) werner< My sentiments exactly. What's wrong with some of you lot? Too lazy to go = to the change bureau and get a few francs? I know some of the list members can't afford the postage, and that's all well and good, but this is takin= g Nexus, who has been kind enough to do this for no profit, for a ride!! Becuase of this, he may not want to do something like this in the future.= I have something in the pipeline myself, and this may jeoperdise it if Nexu= s becomes non-cooperative. I can't say too much yet! Come on, we're all in this together!! A rather saddened Jules :-( = # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:17:04 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg: administrative hiccups It really annoys me when some people expect something for nothing. Those who are the guilty parties out there know who I am talking about! Not only does a fellow list member offer to copy KW onto CD for nothing, some stingy people can't even be bothered to send the postage. Don't you guilty people realise that you will ruin not only this exercise being undertaken by Nexus, but also any future schemes planned by other list members for the benefit of us! This includes the event I am trying to organise, the Electronic Disco. It does not give me too much faith in some of you, but be warned, as a well known saying among my friends and associates is, ".....he is not the sort of bloke you want to mess with"! The moral is, if you want to reap the benefits of this list, expect to pay the costs not only when asked but also as a gesture of appreciation. We are not out to rip you off, so return evil to evil to no-one. Here endeth the lesson. Lets all show a bit of Computer Love. Craig. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 18:23:56 JST From: "INTELLIGENTSIA (ION MACHINe)" Subject: Re: (kw) Who is Ott?> OTT is on the MIX] > << Check the people listing on the ELECTRIC CAFE CD.... > > There you will find Mr.OTT. >> > Arrghh!! mistake! Yes, he is on the mix CD...I had the same computer graphics font in my head. I stand corrected number one. ION _ ____ ___ ___ _ _ _ ___ ___ ____ ___ ___ _ __ // // // // //_ // // // //_ //_ // // // //_ // //\\ // // // // //_ //_ //_ // //_/ //_ // // // __// // //__\\ OOO OOO T H E I N T E L L I G E N T S I A O O O O A global futurist starforce for the 21st century! O O OOO O O ALIEN REGISTRATION: http://www.bekkoame.or.jp/~ummo O O O O Home of FUTURE music,art,literature,video & fashion OOO OOO *UMMO RECORDS* http://www.japan.co.jp/~ummo _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ www.geocities.com/Tokyo/9184 _/_/ www.geocities.com/Area51/7723 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:02:53 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) FM article online The Kraftwerk article from Future Music is now online at http://www.futurenet.com/musiciansnet/Hitech/People/Kraftwerk/kraftwerk.html There is also a Kraftwerk-related "HiTech Caption Competition" at http://www.futurenet.com/musiciansnet/Hitech/Caption/compo.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:44:47 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Klaus Dinger > From mail list archive 1-100 I found this: > > >Interesting info there...it reopens for me the debate on whether or not > >Dinger and Rother are lurking about on at least the _first_ track on > >"Kraftwerk" Dinger: Maybe, but not if we can believe his own words. Rother: Definitely not, as he was not even a member of Kraftwerk when the first album was released. > >According to the "Black Forest Gateau" notes, though, there should be another > >23 minutes of NEU!-Werk if "Ruckzack" comprises eight minutes of the 35 > >that supposedly exist somewhere Is it possible that the original author of these lines confused "Ruckzuck" with "Rueckstoss Gondoliero"? (BTW: According to Klaus Dinger the title is "Rueckstoss Gondolier*o*", not "Gondolier*e*", as it was titled by German TV.) "Ruckzuck" is a track from 1970, but the never-released 35 minutes of Kraftwerk material were recorded in 1971, around the same time as "Rueckstoss Gondoliero". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:08:56 EDT From: tweibrecht@juno.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg: administrative hiccups On Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:17:04 +0000 "Craig Land" writes: > >It really annoys me when some people expect something for nothing. >Those who are the guilty parties out there know who I am talking >about! > >Not only does a fellow list member offer to copy KW onto CD for >nothing, some stingy people can't even be bothered to send the >postage. Don't you guilty people realise that you will ruin not only >this exercise being undertaken by Nexus, but also any future schemes >planned by other list members for the benefit of us! This includes >the event I am trying to organise, the Electronic Disco. It does not >give me too much faith in some of you, but be warned, as a well >known saying among my friends and associates is, ".....he is not the >sort of bloke you want to mess with"! > >The moral is, if you want to reap the benefits of this list, expect >to pay the costs not only when asked but also as a gesture of >appreciation. We are not out to rip you off, so return evil to evil >to no-one. > >Here endeth the lesson. > >Lets all show a bit of Computer Love. > >Craig. >Best Regards, very well said, but the moral is really blunter: Show Me The Money!!!!! tom w np: primal scream - star # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:11:48 -0400 (EDT) From: DepecheCBI@aol.com Subject: (kw) clockDVA Hi there! O.K. it's not Kraftwerk, but I think, ClockDVA always sounded like a dark sound version of Kraftwerk (and their videos/shows are very similar). Well, does anybody here know what Adi Newton (& co.) is doing now ? The last record - I think - was the Collective Box-Set. Carsten Bolte. Kiel. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:34:43 +0200 From: Peter Subject: (kw) Rueckstoss Gondoliero Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Is it possible that the original author of these lines confused > "Ruckzuck" with "Rueckstoss Gondoliero"? (BTW: According to Klaus Dinger the > title is "Rueckstoss Gondolier*o*", not "Gondolier*e*", as it was titled by > German TV.) > "Ruckzuck" is a track from 1970, but the never-released 35 minutes > of Kraftwerk material were recorded in 1971, around the same time as > "Rueckstoss Gondoliero". > Could the never released material be the "VOR DEM BLAUEN BOCK" (Beat Club TV-Theme Mai 1971) that's the last track of the "Tone-Float" bootleg CD? Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68-'73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 13:59:44 From: Richard.Poolton@dmgexhib.co.uk Subject: (kw) Faces to names!! Hello all UK-based list members. The idea of a get-together has not died a death. However arranging it is a total nightmare, list-member A is an international playboy that cruises the bars of Bangkok every July, list-member B will undertake a covert operation mid-August, my life seems so hum-drum in comparison!! Now I'm assuming we'll all be able to do something on either August 1st or 2nd. Participation is mandatory for Jules and Craig. Dave Holton was interested. And what about othet UK-based folk like, Neil L., Jon A., P.Barnes, K. Busby, and all the others both talkative and anonymous. Let's get it sorted eh? Mail me to register interest, the meet will be in London. See you soon Rich # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:09:57 -0400 From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Subject: (kw) Lassigue Bendthaus >>Anyone else here listen to Lassigue Bendthaus? He's very influenced by >>Kraftwerk, particulalry his earlier stuff (Matter, Cloned). His newer >>stuff is a bit less werkian but nonetheless... >Their KraftWerk-influence is indisputable. >Many people said in the beggining of 90's that Lassigue Bendthaus will be >the new KraftWerk. Well, I wouldn't go so far, but the music really great. >"Matter" and "Cloned" are good, but my favorit is "Render Audible". >BTW, have Lassigue released something since the maxi "Overflow"? I am aware of no other releases under the Lassigue Bendthaus pseudonym however, Uwe Schmidt, half of the Lassigue Bendthaus duet(?) has a multitude of releases under various names ("Atom Heart", "Datacide", etc), duets with Pete Namlook and various others of which I cannot recall. Atom Heart releases abound (he release about once a month) and you will definitely hear *more* of the KW influence than the Lassigue Bendthaus releases (especially those one Uwe's own label: Rather Interesting). Very recommended to those who are attracted to Kraftwerk's experimentation techniques, musical complexity, production quality and musicianship. Favorite CD's: "Brown", "Render Audible" (as Lassigue) and "Datacide". More info at: http://sfraves.org/music/labels/rather_interesting/ BTW: What's the official word on the new KW release? At the end of the MTV snippet of the new song, an announcer cuts in a says something about the new song (and perhaps its release date) but the audio is cut off. FYI: I've completed and added the "The Model" (by request) to the available Kraftwerk MIDI files at the resonance.underground.musik.lab page. "Techno Pop" (from EC) to be followed by additional requests: "T.E.E" and "Computer Love '81" Keep the requests coming and thanks to everyone for all your support. The goal is to reproduce the entire (well, most of) Kraftwerk discography in MIDI format. Be sure to give a listen to the Real Audio samples in the time.traffik.lab (w/more to come). Also, watch for the unveiling of two new r.u.m.l. musikal personas: "EFOFEX" (pronounced: f of x) and "C.A.M." (Computer Assisted Music) The noize.lab (a samples and sound fonts download area) should also be opening this weekend! Take care! mailto:jtalbert@ameritech.net resonance.underground.musik.lab http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:54:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Nexus Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg: administrative hiccups tweibrecht@juno.com wrote: >very well said, but the moral is really blunter: Show Me The Money!!!!! >tom w I'm not sure I understand you well... As far as I'm concerned, it's not "show me the money", it rather is "don't make this a financial trouble for me". While I did all I could to offer this project at the lowest cost possible, I still can't afford offering postage for everyone. Take $5, multiply them by 90, and you come up with quite a sum... And even if I dig deep, I see no reason why it should be _me_ paying for this. So, no. Not "show me the money". Just "don't take mine". Nexus _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:00:34 +0200 From: "Rafa" Subject: (kw) New web dedicate to KRAFTWERK Hi all, I=B4m working in my new web page and it will have a Kraftwerk part.=20 I think that this page be the first dedicated to Kraftwerk in Spanish.=20 I=B4m working with shockwave technology and I would like that you test it. The site has 243Kb... wait about a minute to download... it deserves the time!!!! Tell me about it... (palettes, velocity, ...) http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard/index2.htm Thanks in advance!!!! ;-) Rafa from Spain. deckard@arrakis.es # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:51:59 +0200 From: Peter Subject: (kw) New web dedicate to KRAFTWERK After downloading the Shockwave Plug-in and after another coffee break I must say that I'm impressed by the layout! It's worth waiting for. Lucky you who writes in spanish, then you don't have to be publically humiliated if you spell something wrong. Keep up the good work! Peter Kraftwerk, The Early Years '68-'73 http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8880/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:22:31 +0200 From: Juan Echevarria Cuenca Subject: Re: (kw) New web dedicate to KRAFTWERK Hello, > >http://www.arrakis.es/~deckard/index2.htm > I got an error installing the OCX in the registry. Any suggestion?. (By private e-mail because it's off topic, I suppose) Rafa, I will point you from my homepage! Greetings, Juan. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) clockDVA i've always thought so too. i recently picked up a copy of 'collective' [cleopatra] (not the box set ). songs like 'the hacker', 'sonology of sex', etc (and other tracks from their 'buried dreams' release) are very dark and precise. i could do without the vocals, at times, but they do lend to the subversive, dark, and digital mood of their music. the track 'voice recognition test' are danceable, but still very consistent with clockdva's dark concepts. i don't want to seem too daunting, but they are more likely to continue the kw legacy than lassigue bendthaus. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:39:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: (kw) another source for kw cds perhaps many of you already know this, but i thought i would share anyway: AB-CD music has Tone Float, KW1, KW2, R&F, and several german-language versions of KW releases (most of these are in CD format). i believe that most of the earlier stuff are copies of the germanofon bootlegs. they also have a searchable database of other interesting, hard-to-find, and out-of-print stuff. you can order merchandise online from them at: www.ab-cd.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:02:08 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg: administrative hiccups - -(Nexus was saying)- > As far as I'm concerned, it's not "show me the money", it rather is > "don't make this a financial trouble for me". > > So, no. Not "show me the money". Just "don't take mine". > > Nexus I fear I face the same dilemma with my K-shirts. The $200 Mom fronted me didn't go very far. At $10 + postage per shirt, I'm coming out on the short end. I'll be making them by candlelight, living on rice & beans. -(That is, IF my friend keeps his word to build the Silk-Screen Frame for me, like he promised.)- Hopefully production will be underway within a month- IF I don't starve first! I'm taking a HUGE risk. No joke. So far only about 6 people have expressed any interest, besides about 4 guys with whom I've already made trade arrangements for tapes/CDs. -(Okay, so I'm a lousy Artist, or maybe people don't like KW enough to wear 'em on their BOD. go figure.)- If anybody else want K-shirts, please speak UP by the 1st so I can get all the T-shirts & materials I need. Again, I am NOT asking people to send money now. When the K-shirts are READY- THEN I'll ask for cash payment, and send them when remittance is received. Fair enough? I'm really struggling with this. Meanwhile, I will re-post my K-shirt foto -(and K-philes Articles, etc)- to alt.binaries.pictures and uwp.maillist.kraftwerk News Groups. Look for my name as sender, and the file name is KshrtBOT.jpg [22K] -I might also try to post the bmp version [296K] for a sharper image. Ofcourse, I can always Email it on request, in jpg format unless specified. ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:04:33 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Re-issues Fellow Werkers! Don=B4t know if Im terrible late with this info, but please check it out = :-) http://www.emination.co.uk/listings/kraftw/kraftw.htm ********************************************************************** Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden **************#Wir sind dann Helden, fur einen tag#************** =00=00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:20:27 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New TG review The July issue of the German magazine VISIONS contains a review of the Tribal Gathering festival, including a paragraph on Kraftwerk and a large, but very dark photo of Kraftwerk performing "Autobahn". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:56:52 +0100 From: "Mark Humphrey" Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg: administrative hiccups Nexus, I find it outrageous that people are apparantly ripping you off in this way. If I were in your shoes I wouldn't even return their blank CDs. I and the other honest list members (hopefully the majority!) really appreciate what you and Gunnar are doing. Paying the cost of postage is the LEAST we can do. To those of you who deliberatly did not send payment : Shame on you!! Mark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 06:59:51 +0900 From: blanks@super.win.or.jp (BLANKS) Subject: (kw) "NEONLICHT (Alt. Edit) "?? Hello, all. At 11:04 PM 97.6.27 +0000, Uffe Silverup wrote: >Fellow Werkers! > >Don't know if Im terrible late with this info, but please check it out :-) > >http://www.emination.co.uk/listings/kraftw/kraftw.htm Thanks infomations, Mr.Silverup. Incidentally, What does "NEONLICHT (Alt. Edit) "?????? is it a any sort of extra truck of "The MIX" or anything else? Sincerely yours. from Tokyo Japan SAKURA UNE PLACE SUR LA TERRE COMME AU CIEL # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Nexus Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg: administrative hiccups - ---Mark Humphrey wrote: > > you and Gunnar are doing. Paying the cost of postage is the LEAST we can > do. The funniest part is, most of those who have sent blanks ARE sending the postage funds. What is really uncool (sp?) are those letters requesting the CD _and_ the posting back, without providing anything, while of course claiming there are plenty bucks inside the enveloppe... You know who you are. Nexus _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:50:49 +0200 From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) clockDVA DepecheCBI@aol.com wrote: > O.K. it's not Kraftwerk, but I think, ClockDVA always sounded like a > dark sound version of Kraftwerk (and their videos/shows are very > similar). Well, does anybody here know what Adi Newton (& co.) is > doing now ? > The last record - I think - was the Collective Box-Set. The last thing I spotted from Newton is the 'Psychophysicists' CD with A. McKenzie from Hafler Trio. It is nowhere similar to ClockDVA as it is more of a collection of electroacoustic compositions. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ Paulo Mouat, ___ mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/8804/ |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:40:12 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: Re: (kw) Lassigue? lbo wrote: > > >Anyone else here listen to Lassigue Bendthaus? He's very influenced by > > *he*? isn't a band? > Yup. Uwe Schmidt, aslo know as Atom Heart. Solo stuff. He collaborated with Bill Laswell as Datacide and also with Tetsuo Inoue (sp?), but I've never heard that. he also does remixes under the name Pink Elln sometimes... - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= Generally you don't see that kind of behavior in a major appliance. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 01:48:44 EDT From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Lassigue Bendthaus >I am aware of no other releases under the Lassigue Bendthaus pseudonym >however, Uwe Schmidt, half of the Lassigue Bendthaus duet(?) has a >multitude >of releases under various names ("Atom Heart", "Datacide", etc), >duets with >Pete Namlook and various others of which I cannot recall. Atom Heart >releases abound (he release about once a month) and you will >definitely hear >*more* of the KW influence than the Lassigue Bendthaus releases >(especially >those one Uwe's own label: Rather Interesting). Very recommended to >those >who are attracted to Kraftwerk's experimentation techniques, musical >complexity, production quality and musicianship. Favorite CD's: >"Brown", >"Render Audible" (as Lassigue) and "Datacide". > >More info at: > http://sfraves.org/music/labels/rather_interesting/ Rather Interesting is a Fax label subsidiary, too. Look at http://www.hyperreal.com/fax for even more info. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 02:18:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Bootleg: administrative hiccups i've been seeing alot of grumbling on the list about nexus not getting proper payment from list members regarding the bootleg. i'm not quite sure i understand what the status is (since i haven't yet received nexus' posting from the host). has oli decided to bugger us all because of this situation?? i for one just posted my parcel today (containg both blank CDR AND cash payment for return postage - i even went to the foreign exchange to turn my USD's to french francs!). i hope i'm not screwed! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 09:43:22 +0000 From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Back to Back Hit" single? I've found the following (new?) release on a saleslist: Kraftwerk: Trans-Europe Express 7" (US, "Back to Back Hit" series with "Long Version") The b-side contains a track from Sweet. Is any more info about this release known? What exactly is this "Long Version" of "Trans-Europe Express"? Is it the album version or an edit? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 01:03:27 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) "Back to Back Hit" single? - -(Klaus Zaepke reports)- > I've found the following (new?) release on a saleslist: > > Kraftwerk: Trans-Europe Express 7" > (US, "Back to Back Hit" series with "Long Version") > > The b-side contains a track from Sweet. SWEET?!! Really? I hope it's "Love is Like Oxygen"- good song! - -(Not to be confused with "Oxygene" by J.M.Jarre, ofcourse.)- KRAFTWERK and SWEET- Hm-m, interesting combination.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:03:34 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Market place Fellow Werkers! Since there=B4s so much talk about records (bootlegs, german copies = etc,etc) I was thinking that perhaps I should put up some pages as a K-Werk Markt-Platz. The idea is that when you Werkers have something to sell, trade or buy, = you would then mail me and I=B4ll put an advert on the market page. Could I have some feedback please! ********************************************************************** Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden **************#Wir sind dann Helden, fur einen tag#************** =00=00 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Jun 97 15:35:35 +0000 From: Darren Barwise Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Picture Hi, Anybody who still hasn't got a copy of my "Electric Cafe" Gif drawing and wants it can email me and I'll send it to you. Darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 13:11:16 -0700 From: "Tom" Subject: (kw) MachineTalk I'm looking for a speech-synth software (PC) I want to add tracks to my music with it. (a non-english speaking soft could be better) Any suggestion ? thanks. tomaso. - ----SP Multimedia------- - -Digital sound recording - -Mastering - -Web Hosting - ------------------------ tom@szathmari.com http://www.szathmari.com - ------------------------ Please don't send me attachments without prior notification. Thank You. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:39:11 -0700 From: donaldwk@t-online.de (donald) Subject: Re: (kw) Re-issues hi, Uffe Silverup wrote to the list: >Fellow Werkers! > >Don=B4t know if Im terrible late with this info, but please check it out >:-) > >http://www.emination.co.uk/listings/kraftw/kraftw.htm unfortunately the 2nd of june is already gone and....nothing happened :-( let's wait until the 23rd of july (as mentioned on the list a couple of days before) has anybody ever seen the promo box set (either with or without the shirt?) btw, today i bought the hard-to-get german copy of pascal bussy's book at WOM in kiel. there's one copy left. if anybody is interested, let me know, i would try my best (20,-DM). regards werner # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:11:35 +0100 From: October Subject: Re: (kw) what's happened to Elecrtic music ? >Does anyone know what's happened to electric music. >I hope its not another 12 years before Karl Bartos brings out another CD. >Personally I thought it was the CD that Kraftwerk should have made... one >of my all time favourite CD's >And the remixes of crosstalk were fab. >Thought the album he made with electronic was a bit of a disappointment >though ! >All the best from Mike Karl bartos is working on a new album to be released in the early next year. If it will be under the name Elektric Music or not is not confirmed yet. At almost the same time there will also be a new album out from The Mobile Homes, where Karl bartos is a member since two years. Both releases will be thru SPV in Germany. But I guess that most of you already knew this... D. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:03:32 +1400 From: "Par." Subject: Re: (kw) MachineTalk On 1997-06-28 tom@szathmari.com said: >I'm looking for a speech-synth software (PC) >I want to add tracks to my music with it. >(a non-english speaking soft could be better) For a speaking voice, you may check ftp://ftp.elan.fr/demonstration. They have a very good demo software for Windows and OS2 in English German, Spanish and French. The voice quality is the best I've ever seen. For a singing voice, well, I may not be able to help you much. Arnaud de Bonald Paris, France Net-Tamer V 1.09 Beta - Test Drive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:35:39 +0100 From: jbv Subject: Re: (kw) MachineTalk Anything for the Mac (beside Macintalk, of course) ? jbv # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 00:55:56 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) INFOBAHR: ACCESS DENIED Hi, Folks! Is anybody else having trouble accessing The INFOBAHR? I was told Anders put up the entire KW@TG performance on VIDEO! For REAL?? I gotta SEE this! - -(14 MEGABYTES?? ouch!)- I can't even Email Anders. It won't send. - -(Are you receiving this, Anders? Kyte me!)- Hm-m, I can't get Mats Kadmark's Page, either, but, I can get Bob Weustink at xs4all- which is also on a Swedish Server, I think- and my other Links are okay. So, what's going on? Are The Universities closed for the Summer/no Computers? I need to make sure my Links are good, or my List is Bogus. ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:49:26 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ferm=EDn_Goiriz?= Subject: (kw) Can interview in World Music mag. Irmin Schmidt, Can's key player, on Spanish magazine "World Music": Q: What do you think about Kraftwerk? A: I like them very much. We knew them because we used to live very close, just 40 km. away. Q: And did you played together? A: Yes, at the beginning we used to coincide in concerts. There was a great reciprocal respect for the music we did. (Sorry my English is not very good) - -Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jun 97 14:05:00 -0400 From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) KW on MTV All, I've heard that the new song by KW was played on MTV recently. Does anyone have this as a sound file for download, or have a sample of it somewhere? Thanks! Bruce ---- Bruce M. Lloyd, bml@bgi.on.ca http://www.geocities.com/~brucelloyd # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:21:29 +0200 From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) new images! Hi!=20 =20 I just added seven pictures of Kraftwerk on my page, some you might=20 have seen before, some not...=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 www.student.gu.se/~maka0067=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:43:07 +0200 From: Bob Weustink Subject: (kw) Zillo JPG Ive made a scan of the cover of the zillo magazine http://www.xs4all.nl/~bwe/kwzillo.jpg A smaller picture is on their homepage: http://www.netcity.de/zillo/ Bob Weustink bwe@dds.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~bwe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:46:31 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) new images! > From: Mats Kadmark > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) new images! > Date: Sunday, June 29, 1997 10:21 AM > > Hi! > I just added seven pictures of Kraftwerk on my page, some you might > have seen before, some not... > > Mats > > http://www.student.gu.se/~maka0067 HELP! Mats, I can't access your page! I've been trying since yesterday. I sent you an Email message, but, it bounced.-(So, I must reply to the List. sorry folks.)- I STILL can't get the INFOBAHR or a lot of other Swedish WebSites, either. WhasSUP?? I'd really like to see these new pictures! I can get is Bob Weustink's page, but, I can't get any other Swedish WebSites. Anybody else?? ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:01:51 +0200 From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) new images! >HELP! Mats, I can't access your page! I've been trying since yesterday. I >sent you an Email message, but, it bounced.-(So, I must reply to the >List. sorry folks.)- I STILL can't get the INFOBAHR or a lot of other >Swedish WebSites, either. WhasSUP?? I'd really like to see these new >pictures! I can get is Bob Weustink's page, but, I can't get any other >Swedish WebSites. Anybody else?? > >ROBOT Hi! First of all, Bob's webpage is not swedish, but dutch. I've been to Mats webpage, and it worked fine. Might want to check on that side of the connection, ROBOT! Laterz, Johan. - -- "I doubt, therefore I might be..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 97 01:33:36 -0400 From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation All werkers, To change the general topic, what is the general accepted pronunciation for the name "Kraftwerk"? We North American's don't use the 'v' sound for 'w', so it usually comes out like it is spelled, 'craft-work'. Since they're German, are we all supposed to say "kraftverk', which can be construed as pretentious here, or stick of "craft-work'? Bruce ---- Whats the deal with Hercules? Why isn't there a Himcules? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:42:47 +0600 From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation I always pronounce it like Bernard Sumner of NewOrder does. Sorta say a "v" and "w" together in a mixture and leave out the "t". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:03:29 -0700 From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation Bruce M. Lloyd wrote: > Since they're German, are we all supposed to say "kraftverk', which > can be construed as pretentious here, or stick of "craft-work'? I can say that after a lifetime of having either my first or last names misspelled and/or mispronounced by people on a daily basis, all that really matters in the end is that other people know who you're talking to or about, whatever you call them. ;-) |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:13:13 -0700 From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) "KRAHFT-VAIRK" or "Craft-Work"? I usually say "Krahftvairk" so people know I'm not talking about needle point or quilting, usw.... Okay- I can access The INFOBAHR & other Swedish WebSites now. -(I dunno what happened. I could go everywhere else. But, whatever the problem was, it's all fixed. Phone lines, maybe.)- So, where's this TG VIDEO footage I was told about, supposedly on Anders' WebSite? -(Maybe I misunderstood the guy. Hopefully he'll contact me again and explain what he meant....)- I don't want to pass on any false info! -(PLEASE clarify!)- 'Later! ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile/Personal Data)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live in The DOMINION Lounge. Same Foto, different Text.)- +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ =KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= +^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+^+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:07:23 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: Re: (kw) "Back to Back Hit" single? Yes I had a single with Autobahn on one side and Classical Gas by Beggars Opera on the other in the eighties. There were alot of those kind of singles flying around in the eighties. I have just recently heard that Billy McKenzie (of the Associates) was found dead. Apparently he had just lost his mother and couldn't take it, therefore taking his own life. A very sad moment in music history. A few moments silence please........................ Craig. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 04:29:57 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation Message text written by LM >all that really matters in the end is that other people know who you're talking to or about, whatever you call them. ;-) < Yeah, bang on. Anyways, it's pronounced : Shit-Hot! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 07:29:54 -0400 From: Oliver Kess Subject: (kw) Woah, I4m impressed That's fast! I got my CD today! Thanks Nexus for the excellent sound quality, the nice= = cover and most for the great work you did! regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:50:10 +0000 From: "Craig Land" Subject: (kw) www.ab-cd.com Thanks to whoever put the aforementioned web site on the list, I have been browsing their stock and have come across several goodies, not just Kraftwerk. One thing I was pleased about was my 10 CD collection by Ryuichi Sakamoto, this is a Japanese collection on the Midi label in a nice box. AB-CD are currently advertising this for 289.97 (thats US Dollars), what an investment. I purchased this box set at a record fair a few years back, the guy selling it had no idea what it was, and to my benefit, had been having a real bad day at the fair. He was packing up ready to leave when I got to his stall, so I offered him =A330, yes, thats thirty Great British Pounds, and he accepted saying that this would at least cover his costs for attending the fair. Anyone else like to make me an offer.........?!! O another issue, I have not had any time recently to concentrate on the new t-shirts, but I will definately be putting something together in the next week. Keep watching. I am also mailing the clubs in my area this week for quotes on the use of their facilities for the Electronic Disco, I will keep you all informed. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:56:44 +-200 From: Uffe Silverup Subject: (kw) Marktplatz Well Werkers! It=B4s up now (well sort off) So start mailing me your adds!! :-) Kraftwerk Marktplatz found at http://www.algonet.se/~silverup/kraft Bookmark it!!! Cheers Uffe ********************************************************************** Uffe Silverup Klaragatan 3 214 34 Malmo Sweden **************#Wir sind dann Helden, fur einen tag#************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:38:24 MET From: "STEINBORN JENS" Subject: Re: (kw) Woah, I'm impressed HI! Oliver schrieb: > That's fast! > I got my CD today! Thanks Nexus for the excellent sound quality, the nice > cover and most for the great work you did! I got my CD on Friday- it's really really great! Thanks! Jens - --- Die (nu) - Campuszeitung aus Trier Skandaloes tendenzioes # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:55:17 -0700 From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk pronunciation Julian Seifert wrote: > Yeah, bang on. Anyways, it's pronounced : > Shit-Hot! What??? |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Nexus Subject: (kw) Olympic cancellation Hi, What should happen has happened. As of today, I will not burn one other CD. All of the stuff I'll receive from now on will be returned as is, enveloppes and packs, without being opened (except for those with who I have other plans, that includes Robot and Hiroshi). _Don't_ flood my mailbox, that's definitive and irreversible. If you'd like a copy, you'll have to make arrangements with other people in the list. Personally, I would strongly discourage (sp?) anyone who has any plans from making something available to the list from doing so. That's my last word on the whole subject. Nexus P.S.: Gunnar, I'll send you the sleeves on Friday for the Swedish CDs. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:25:08 -0400 From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Olympic cancellation >Personally, I would strongly discourage (sp?) anyone who has any >plans from making something available to the list from doing so. Well. there you go. Thanks everybody for that one. Nexus has held the tru= st of all the list members, and with a few exceptions (including myself) he has been let down badly. Christ, he was only asking for the postage. I would have paid him an admin. charge if he'd asked. I had a deal with nexus to produce the first full TG bootleg for the list= members, including the entire set (and new song) from a very good source indeed. This will now probably never happen, so I'll keep my promises to the few who I have had direct contact with, but as for the list, you blew= it chaps! Nice one............not. Jules Ps. don't approach me for copies of the excellent 'olympic' CD. I won't b= e the one to copy for those who didn't send money. = Anyways, i'll be in Thailand for 1 month from wednesday, so I'm not available. I'll have a dialup connection there, but it's only 2400bps, so= I'll catch up with my friends on IRC when I'm back. You know who you are,= chaps. js. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:09:44 +0200 From: "Dirk V. Fellhauer" Subject: Re: (kw) Olympic cancellation At 10:05 30.06.1997 -0700, you wrote: > >What should happen has happened. > ..... >That's my last word on the whole subject. > >Nexus > To all listmembers that haven=B4t included the money - I am shure that there will be enough words that will express my thoughts about how you care for friendlyness. Just on more word - unsubscribe kraftwerk.com I do not want to be a member of a community like this one. Shame on you. That=B4s one of the most detestable things IMHO. The are several listmembers ( Klaus ) that I=B4ll stay in contact with. Also the members involved on the kraftwerk-remake thing. Sorry for you other guys. I am shure you=B4ll accept my decision. Dirk - -LOGOFF- Es wird immer weitergehn, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! KRAFTWERK - MUSIC NON STOP name dirk fellhauer =20 mail d.fellhauer@fh-worms.de =20 page http://www.rhenania.com/Voice age 28 =20 starsign pisces =20 alias Voice, Adorion =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:29:09 -0500 From: Eric Oehler Subject: (kw) Yet another cover. This time it's one of mine. Nobody famous. :) Anyway, I threw an mp3 of it on a server for anyone who wants to download it. http://dmf.union.wisc.edu/shockwave/CL.mp3 Enjoy! - -- =--------------------------Eric Oehler-----------------------------= | wonko@itis.com http://www.itis.com/~wonko | =------------------------------------------------------------------= Any man who can see through women is sure missing a lot. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:10:50 -0700 From: "J. Talbert" Subject: (kw) DOEPFER (?) - Florian Demo Hello all! Does anyone know of where I may obtain a copy of the Doepfer Vocoder Demo (I believe that is the right name) that Florian worked on. Even a WAV or AU copy via email or WEB would be great. Thanks. - -- John Talbert mailto:jtalbert@ameritech.net resonance.underground.musik.lab http://www.ameritech.net/users/jtalbert/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 97 18:06:44 -0400 From: gcl@sojourn.com Subject: (kw) Transwerk Tribute CDs Vol. I and Vol. II YEA! Today I finally got my Trancewerk Kraftwerk tribute Volume 2 !!!!! hey, I like techno and remixes..... and these are pretty good! I really loved Volume I, and I was so happy when I saw Volume II for sale at CDEurope. It took about 8 weeks or so, to get it, but it was worth the wait!!!! does anyone else like these CDs? most times people don't like the remixes and stuff.... Gary # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:53:09 +0200 (DFT) From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Raveline The July issue of the German magazine Raveline contains a review of the Tribal Gathering festival, including a paragraph on Kraftwerk plus three small colour photos from the Kraftwerk gig ("Homecomputer", "Autobahn", "The Robots" (the last one shows one of the "new" ( = altered) scenes from the accompanying video)). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenneth Wang Subject: (kw) Japanese CDs Hello. Does anyone have any information regarding Japanese-released Kraftwerk CDs containing music not easily available in the US? Is Autobahn readily available in Japan? Are there any unique Japanese releases other than Computer World with "Dentaku"? Also, will the new Kraftwerk releases with bonus tracks (due to be released in Europe fairly soon) be released in the US as well? Any information would be greatly appreciated! Ken. _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:51:57 -0400 From: cgross@pop.erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) Olympic cancellation I used to run into 'non-orders' years ago when I sold my own tapes through the mail, but what makes it worse in this case is that we had (supposedly) all agreed in advance to compensate Nexus... and it's not as though he was asking for the moon, after all. (Plays 'Vom Himmel Hoch' at full volume; either the part with the explosions or the part with the angry ducks)... :-[ Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com or cgross@harris-pub.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender.