From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) www.kraftwerk.com Date: 01 Apr 1997 02:46:49 -0800 *WOW* I tried to access www.kraftwerk.com earlier, and when I klicked on the = KlingKlang thang, the ROBOT gif came up and immediately CRASHED Internet = Explorer. I tried it again a while ago and got a message that too many = people accessed the page today. So, I just now tried it again and it = WERKS! I clicked on the ROBOT and he started dancing! How KUTE! I = couldn't get him going before- this is the 1st time I've seen it! What a = Treat! Klick on the Dancing ROBOT and the Tribal Gathering page comes = up. -(Clicking on the Text didn't do anything except show a little block = with the words in it.)- I'll get the hang of it one of these days. So, Florian will be 50 on the 7th....*sigh*.... I'll be 40 on the 29th. = Gluckliches Geburtstag, Florian! -(Wie sagt man daS?)- 0200! Guten = Nacht! Beware of April Fools Jokes- like, KRAFTWERK's touring the States- yeah, = right.... God, I WISH! Well, maybe it's possible. "GReen cahrdts? Ve = don't need no shtinkingk gReen cahrdts." You tell 'em, Ralf. ps: Yo, Geoff! I WANT MY ALBUMS BACK!!!! My Email's not getting bounced, = so, I know you're out there. TALK TO ME! This is NO JOKE, Dammit! I'm = PISSED! I TRUSTED YOU! That's what I get for being helpful and = Dedicated.... I gotta quit trusting people. Meet me at Heaven's Gate. sorry, folks. I have to vent. I'm really screwed. My irreplaceable KW = Imports- M.M, CW, TEE, TDF, Das Model, Telephone Anruf, Musique Non = Stop, & RAZORMAID Compilation.*sigh*. I want 'em BACK! No word since = early Feb. What's going on, Geoff? No April Fool. I'm SERIOUS! I've been = MORE than patient. I said "Take your time", so you could dub tapes and = stuff. I didn't say to disappear with my Life-Sustenance. GIVE! ROBOT aka: Melanie Jean Mayfield P.O.Box# 786 Eureka, CA 95502-0786 NO EXCUSES for avoiding me! 'Time to Square UP, Dude. Any Fans in the = Boston area? ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New Bootleg? Date: 01 Apr 1997 14:11:36 +0000 I've noted the following Kraftwerk Live CD on a saleslist: KRAFTWERK Duesseldorf 1991 (Double-CD) (KJD 030). There is already a bootleg with the Duesseldorf 1991 concert available, but with the number CAP 1005/1 - 1005/2, so I assume that the "KJD" one is a different release. Has anyone more information about the "KJD" one? Are the tracklisting and the sleeve artwork different to the "CAP" one? Also, does the "KJD" one feature the famous computer breakdown between "Numbers" and "Computerworld"? :-) Thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: (kw) bootlegs Date: 01 Apr 1997 11:10:12 -0500 (EST) i don't know about a deusseldorf bootleg, but i have the live in zurich '91 cd. it's not bad...sound quality could be better (a little muffled, but you can't expect much from a bootleg, really) and best of all, tour de france (one of my faves!!) is on the track list. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j.carter@juno.com (Jeff C Carter) Subject: Re: (kw) bootlegs Date: 01 Apr 1997 12:15:47 EST On Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:10:12 -0500 (EST) Havok24@aol.com writes: >i don't know about a deusseldorf bootleg, but i have the live in >zurich '91 >cd. it's not bad...sound quality could be better (a little muffled, >but you >can't expect much from a bootleg, really) and best of all, tour de >france >(one of my faves!!) is on the track list. Hi! Thought I would just mention I have a release by the same company "Kling und KLANG; LIVE in Milano. Are you familiar with this one? Tour de France is the fourth track. the whole thing comes in pretty clear as well. -she's looking good for beauty we will pay- [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Aphex Ads Date: 01 Apr 1997 22:56:00 EST >>> How is that any weirder than the Aphex-scored Pirelli ad that's been running for the last year and a half? :-) <<< Are you from the USA? I've never seen that ad. I don't watch that many sports broadcasts, naah mean? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) The Ecstacy & The Agony Date: 02 Apr 1997 00:32:53 -0800 Hi, Fellow KW FanatiKs- Get a load of this.... Talk about the ultimate April Fool- I had a really hectic day, = -(WINDY!)-, and the most interesting highlight was spotting TDF in a = used record store. I spied with my little eye a portion of the = distinctive -(back)- cover peeking up out of a box under a shelf/table. = *SQUEAL*! I literally DIVED for it, screamed to my 2 buddies with me, = damn near took a bite out of it, *YUM*, held it up in triumph, then I = clutched it to my ample bosom and floated up to the counter to buy it. = -(Checked out the vinyl- EXcellent condition!)- Alas, 'twas NOT for = Sale!*ARGH*! -(All of the boxes under the tables were un-priced.)- I = asked if they sold these records on Consignment or what, but, all they = said was "we haven't bought them yet". I don't understand. I'd already = drooled all over it, 'might as well sell it to me. They could have = simply charged me the usual price for a used single, give the = "Consigner" their cut, and been done with it. They didn't seem to want = to sell it that bad. Another customer said he had a copy at home. Yeah, = so do I, but, it's in Boston! -(My Auntie bought TDF for me on her trip = to Deutschland in '83 or '84. Not available in the US of A.)- I hope = they'll hold it for me. I don't get up to that neck of the woods very = often. -(Arcata is 8 mi N. of Eureka. I live in Loleta, 11 mi S of = Eureka. Busfare adds up.)- Funny, they had no trouble selling me a = cassette of E.Cafe last month. And I found The Telephone = Call/Housephone/Der Telephon Anruf EP there last year for about $3. = -(Hey, Geoff/Rac Shade! I want my records back! Still no word from this = guy. HELP!)- Aside from that, "People's Records" doesn't cater to = ROBOTS, I guess.... *pout* Such irony. KRAFTWERK is extremely RARE to = find! In fact, I need to replace the Albums I lost, so, if anyone can = sell me cheap cassette copies of all the German versions, I'd be = eternally grateful. CDs at fair prices would be nice. I can eat rice & = beans for a month, I don't care. I need KRAFTWERK more than I need = anything else.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) On TV! Date: 02 Apr 1997 10:31:56 +0200 >how bizarre that is! Has KW's music been used in any English-language >ads? Peace. not an english ad, but some weeks (months? time flies... it should have been before Christmas, anyway) ago, I spotted a tv ad for an italian ski brand on italian tv that used kw music. I don't remember details, maybe you'll find it in an old digest... anyway the ad ran for less than a week. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Another look @www.kraftwerk.com Date: 02 Apr 1997 02:08:56 -0800 I just checked my favorite WebSite again, and I could swear the = Tanzender Roboter is doing The Macarena! *snicker* Okay, seriously- uh, can we actually send Email to = ralf/florian@kraftwerk.com, or what? Even a smart-@$$ reply from = Kuckartz is better than no reply at all.... Alles Gute zum Geburtstag, Florian! -(Vielen Dank, Michael fur korrekt = Ubersetzung!)- :] ROBOSMILEY # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) New Yamo WWW address Date: 02 Apr 1997 12:59:28 +0000 The address of the official Yamo WWW page has changed from http://www.netville.de/emi/r/r025/yamo1.html to http://www.emimusic.de/r/r025/yamo1.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) bootlegs Date: 02 Apr 1997 09:11:17 -0500 (EST) not familiar with the milano release. is it also by chameleon?? the zurich cd happens to be the only bootleg i own for now (kraftwerk is horribly scarce here, you know). it's odd though that the track listing doesn't really match up with the actual order in which the tracks are recorded...and there are some interesting little interludes that aren't mentioned on the sleeve at all. aside from all that, the artwork for the cd is absolutely revolting...i won't even attempt to describe it for fear of making us all nauseous. that's all! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: (kw) Aktivität Date: 02 Apr 1997 09:23:21 -0500 (EST) i need to find out more about this 'zine. any suggestions? thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: (kw) re: KW MusiK in Ads Date: 02 Apr 1997 11:52:00 GMT An excerpt of Autobahn was used in an ad for car insurance on UK tv in the late eighties. The ad featured cgi people getting into a car and driving off. Very KW inspired graphics as I recall. Mike. mike.pitt@mail.sema.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frederic Kerbrat Subject: Re: (kw) Aphex Ads Date: 02 Apr 1997 12:20:49 -0400 =C0 (At) 22:56 -0500 1/04/97, Adam Schefflan =E9crivait (wrote) : >>>> How is that any weirder than the Aphex-scored Pirelli ad that's >been running for the last year and a half? :-) <<< > >Are you from the USA? I've never seen that ad. I don't watch that many >sports broadcasts, naah mean? Peace. > This ad was also broadcasted in France. I saw once a copy of the soundtrack on a 7'', starting at $200... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Aphex Ads Date: 02 Apr 1997 09:40:46 -0700 (MST) > > How is that any weirder than the Aphex-scored Pirelli ad that's > > been running for the last year and a half? :-) > > Are you from the USA? I've never seen that ad. I don't watch that many > sports broadcasts, naah mean? Neither do I. This particular ad has been running on CNN and its affiliated channels. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Newton's Apple theme/Glitches Date: 02 Apr 1997 11:07:15 -0800 How could we forget Newton's Apple Theme on PBS? Ruckzack! Hey, that's = KRAFTWERK, not "Absolute Music"! What a rip-off! ps: Am I the only Listoid receiving my own posts with some of the text = missing? The deleted portion is replaced by a little square, yet the = letter appears complete when I check the Archives. -(re: Bootleg = T-shirts, Mar 25, and The Agony & The Ecstacy, Apr 2.)- I'm confused. = I'll ask Lazlo.... Uh-oh! I hope this message didn't "default" to my grouchy husband's = folder. It happens sometimes. He's "Kingsnake@dm.com". I use Internet = Explorer & he uses NetScrape3.0, but, when I click on highlighted = HomePage links, NetScrape pops up, and when I answer Email "forms", my = messages/replies go to Kingsnake, aka: Gyro Gearloose. That's another = GLITCH on my end. So, I always put my Address in my signature for people = to click on and reply to. 'kay? Sorry about the mess. I still don't know = how to set up my own page. I've got 5MB going to waste. Pity. Geoff @ WHRB: I STILL WANT MY ALBUMS BACK! -(Isn't there ANYONE in the = Boston area? HELP!)- I still haven't heard from this guy- what's going on? Why wont he answer = me? ROBOTiK Love, ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J P M Subject: Re: (kw) re: KW MusiK in Ads Date: 02 Apr 1997 22:09:06 +0000 In all the Japanes keyboard magazines ,Kraftwerk are used in ALL the Quasimidi ads........ALL of them... -- Jason The Pygmy Taxi Corp http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/ Vocod'o'rama http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/VOCODER/vocolist.html Frames Version http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocoder_frames.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Hello, Boston? Date: 02 Apr 1997 23:44:13 -0800 Would SOMEbody, ANYbody, in the Boston area PLEASE Email me? I really = need help tracking down my KRAFTWERK Albums. I found the guy's correct = name & address: WHRB FM Geoff Gladstone/Rac Shade 389 Harvard Street Cambridge, MA 02138 I recall he said it was a "private" radio station of 3,000 watts. Did = anybody actually hear this "KRAFTWERK Orgy" program at the end of = January? Funny nobody mentioned it on the List. Did anybody else send = Geoff any recordings and get them back? Please, I need someone to verify = if this guy is legit and put my mind at ease. -(Please don't ridicule me = for being stupid enough to send my most valuable KW Albums to a = stranger. I feel rotten enough as it is.)- I went to the library and = tried to look up WHRB in the Boston phone book. The closest I came was = WNRB AM, 500 W. Cummings, in Woburn. Is there any connection? Atleast = now I can try to contact Geoff by Snail Mail, but, I'd really appreciate = a little help from any Fans in Boston. I'm sorry if this seems "off-topic", but, getting my KW Albums back is = of the utmost importance to me. Come on, Fellow KRAFTWERK Lovers- you = stood up for that guy when he had a problem with a friend getting a bad = deal on a SYNTH, and that all got straightened out, thankfully. Above = all, I'm not asking anyone to "threaten" Geoff. I just want to contact = him and find out what's going on. Maybe he is trying to reach me and = something beyond his control is preventing him. But, I have no way of = knowing that, so, I can't help worrying. For the Love of KRAFTWERK, = please, can I get a little support? If anyone needs info pertaining to = Eureka, CA, I'd gladly oblige. I really needs leads in Boston. The = sooner this gets resolved, the sooner I can quit pestering the Mail List = about it, okay? ;] ROBOWINKY Thank you, ROBOT@humboldt1.com ROBOT aka: Melanie Jean Mayfield P.O.Box# 786 Eureka, CA 95502-0786 USA Sol III Milky Way # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) Is anybody there? Date: 03 Apr 1997 15:16:19 +-100 Hi there all Werkians, I have asked this question before, but as I have received no response I = will ask again. Does anyone have, or know of, a copy of Tone Float on vinyl for sale? I require this to complete my collection and would appreciate any help. = I have actually spoken with Ian Calder before on various Kraftwerk = issues, a long time ago though, but as I do not have his e:mail address = I have directed this everyone. Does anyone else have a copy of 'Return of Die Mensch Machine' on double = vinyl? I haven't actually seen this before, but I picked this up some = time ago in mint condition for =A320! Thanks, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Aftonbladet on Kraftwerk Date: 03 Apr 1997 18:02:52 +0000 Taken from the Depeche Mode mailing list: > Subject: KRAFTWERK! (no DM) > From: bong@commline.com (The Depeche Mode Mailing List) > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:43:54 -0800 > > Swedish newspaper 'Aftonbladet' reported yestarday that Kraftwerk will > release a CD with a few songs in about a month's time. > Later this year they will release their NEW album!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Hello, Boston? Date: 03 Apr 1997 07:12:36 -0500 Message text written by "ROBOT" >The = sooner this gets resolved, the sooner I can quit pestering the Mail List = about it, okay? ;] ROBOWINKY< C'mon US Kwerkers, Help this person out!!! I get touchy if somebody borrows stuff for more than a day!!! ROBOT, you are showing heaploads of restraint!!!!!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fredrik Froderberg Subject: (kw) au-files Date: 03 Apr 1997 17:49:03 +0200 Hi everyone. Is it possible to download the hidden au-files from the Kraftwerk web page?? Cheers, Fredrik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) ThanX 4 your Support! Date: 03 Apr 1997 09:49:44 -0800 Julian Seifert sez: "ROBOT, you're showing heaploads of restraint!" = -(re: my estranged Albums)- Yeah. "Restraint". I need to be tied to the SubWoofer with Mega Cable = Speaker Wire and soak up some VIBES! KranK it UP! = "....Wir.Sind.Die.ROBOTER...." *sigh* How do you spell relief? = K-R-A-F-T-W-E-R-K! *Hee-Hee* ThanX 4 the Support! :] ROBOSMILEY Okay, I did get get a couple of messages confirming the Station's = Address and Phone #. It's a College Radio Station. They might be on = Spring break this week. I'll Snail Mail the Station and try calling a = bit later. I'll feel a LOT better as soon as I find out what's going on. Florians Geburtstag: 4/7/47 -Interesting numbers! A while back someone = on the list sent Email to the Official www.kraftwerk.com and got a = response from A. Kuckartz. I can't remember how exactly to address the = message. Is it "anybody@kraftwerk.com"? or "@klingklang.com"? I just = want to send a very brief B'Day greeting, like; "Alles Gute zum = Geburtstag, Florian! 'Looking forward to a new album! Is there any = chance of a US/World tour? TschuS!" Short & simple. If I knew the = correct Address, I'm sure Kuckartz would get it. Can someone clue me in? ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) Aftonbladet on Kraftwerk Date: 03 Apr 1997 21:14:10 -0000 A friend of mine sent me this little note which seems to fit with the information given in the replied message: EMI Electrola has announced a new Kraftwerk album for June [http://www.netville.de/emi/n/spin/spin.html) And in fact, I found this in the lower part of the website (quoted): JUNI: 02.06. Megadeth Needles And Pins 02.06. World Party 16.06. Radiohead tbs. Cora E. ... Und Der MC Ist Weiblich tbs. Gang Starr tbs. Kraftwerk Boing? Tobi [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] Nofrontiere Design GmbH Zinckgasse 20-22 A-1150 Vienna Austria t +43-1-9855750 f +43-1-98557503 tobi@nofrontiere.com http://www.nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net (darren ryan) Subject: (kw) greeting Date: 03 Apr 1997 17:07:36 -0500 hello everybody! i just joined the mail list today and i look forward to reading all the new info regarding the great kraftwerk. i am a dj and i work at All Terrain Studio NYC, where i produce electronic breakbeat music. as far as kraftwerk music on tv- mtv used technopop beats in a show about some huge video arcade in seattle. i am interested in any and all info regarding the new album(release date, theme..) looks like its for real. later folks darren # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1978 20:56:41 From: cgross@erols.com (Christopher Gross) Subject: (kw) Re: Howdy > Hi there, Just got on the list recently, and I finally got around to introducing myself... My name is Chris Gross, and Kraftwerk has done me a huge favor without realizing it. They inspired me to set up my own little E-music studio in the '70s, get involved in the indie music scene (until the late '80s), get airplay all over the 'Welt, and make a lot of good friends. I'm not currently active in music (except for fun :]), but I still have the friends. Danke, Ralf und Florian (und Karl und Wolfgang usw.)! Chris Gross (cgross@erols.com) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) EMI releases Date: 04 Apr 1997 01:57:25 EST >JUNI: >02.06. Megadeth Needles And Pins >02.06. World Party >16.06. Radiohead >tbs. Cora E. ... Und Der MC Ist Weiblich >tbs. Gang Starr >tbs. Kraftwerk A new Gang Star album, word? E-mail me privately if you got more info. Anything DJ Premier does is incredible! Guru's lyrics, despite all of his NOI ramblings, are da bom, naah mean? Oh shit! Can't wait to tell my peeps! The big thing though: AFTER 11 YEARS, A NEW ALBUM BY THE WORLD'S BEST AND GREATEST BAND! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) KW-webpage! Date: 04 Apr 1997 09:54:52 +0200 Hi ! ! !=20 =20 I just checked the KW unofficial infobahr and a real time countdown=20 counter to Tribal Gathering had been added!!!=20 =20 It counts down days, hours, minutes and seconds until the Kraftwerk=20 performance !=20 =20 See you later!=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 The address is (in case someone had forgotten).....=20 http://www.cs.umu.se/studenter/KRAFTWERK/=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) This Will Make You Cry! Date: 04 Apr 1997 11:39:59 +-100 For all those avid record collectors out there and trivial story = fanatics, you may be interested to read my little story about a rare = record I found not too long ago. I can't remember the guy's name, but the chap who worked with Kraftwerk = in the early days and left to form the group Neu, well their album which = I do understand as being quite rare was located by myself in a London = record shop. Those of us who live in England will probably know this = shop, it's Reckless Records in Berwick Street, W1. I was doing my normal search through all the sections I normally look = through and the shop assistants were playing a very experimental track = over the music system, when I asked who it was they produced the album = cover. Much to my delight I saw it was the Neu album, but trying not to = make too much of an issue about finding it (they do tend to overprice = their records if they know they are in demand), I said casually, what = are the other tracks like? The assistant skipped through the record, when he finished he picked the = record of the turntable threw it across the shop like a frisbee and said = what a pile of shit. The other shop assistant said, "Oh, you had better put it back in the = rack, someone is bound to buy it"! It makes you wonder about how many more rare records have been treated = like this, perhaps even scrapped because of people not knowing their = exclusivity. Best Regards, The Sex Object. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ZAWREL Johann / GFW Subject: (kw) What kind of list is this ? Date: 04 Apr 1997 12:49:00 +0200 Sometimes I think, I read an AphexTwin - Digest ! Johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Magnus Finbom Subject: (kw) "New" Reader Date: 04 Apr 1997 13:29:25 +0200 (MDT) Hello out ther all Robot-fans. I am a new mail reader located in Sweden. Have been listening to KW since I was 12 years old. With acces to Internet and Infobahr & thismail-group my interest for KW has incresed alot. I lived with the feeling that i was the only KW fan around (all my friends are analog). I have never relly been a real KW collector, all that ive got is "all" LP and CD records and some video-tapes. (So if there are any Swedish fans who would like to share som video stuff, PLEASE mail me, mailto:finbom@hem.passagen.se) Be Electric, Magnus Finbom # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Houben's Bookshop" Subject: (kw) TRIO Date: 04 Apr 1997 12:32:03 -0800 Watcher everybody. I have been fascinated with Kraftwerk ever since I stumbled upon the Radioactivity CD in Hounslow library. I was hooked! Anybody got any information on another German band called TRIO? They had a hit called DA DA DA in the early eighties which featured a hand held casio.I have their first album and the singles TUTTI FRUTTI and ANNA ....does anyone know what ever became of them? I'd love to get hold of any more recent material! Can any German music experts help? Thanks a lot Vic 20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) TRIO Date: 04 Apr 1997 16:44:39 +0200 Houben's Bookshop wrote: > Anybody got any information on another German band called TRIO? They > had a hit called DA DA DA in the early eighties which featured a hand > held casio.I have their first album and the singles TUTTI FRUTTI and > ANNA ....does anyone know what ever became of them? > > I'd love to get hold of any more recent material! Can any German music > experts help? I have the video for Da Da Da. If you (or anyone else, for that matter) are interested, we can trade some goods... Regards. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: (kw) Tickets fot Tribal Gathering Date: 04 Apr 1997 10:04:41 -0500 Hy to all! Does anybody of the german or british Kraftwerk fans have any information, phone number, etc. on how to get tickets for TG in may? There was a phone number of Ticket Master posted by Mark Stagg, I tried this one, but they don't sent tickets to Germany. Klaus, hast Du irgendwelche Infos, Du erwaehntest mal was, Du wuerdest noch auf Deine Tickets warten, wo hast Du die geordert? Ich bekomme uebrigens das Video der Nitebox Sendung mit den Kraftwerk Live Mitschnitten. Thanks in advance for any information Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j.carter@juno.com (Jeff C Carter) Subject: Re: (kw) This Will Make You Cry! Date: 04 Apr 1997 09:12:44 -0800 On Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:39:59 +-100 Craig Land writes: >For all those avid record collectors out there and trivial story = >fanatics, you may be interested to read my little story about a rare = >record I found not too long ago. > > >The assistant skipped through the record, when he finished he picked >the = >record of the turntable threw it across the shop like a frisbee and >said = >what a pile of shit. - Now, I'm assuming this is the part of the story where you kicked the hell out of him?- >The other shop assistant said, "Oh, you had better put it back in the >= >rack, someone is bound to buy it"! > -Did you buy it? or did it break into a million tragic pieces? Jeff C [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) New Roland 303 Date: 04 Apr 1997 19:09:06 EST I saw in Sam Ash, in NYC, that there's a new 303 with sounds from the 808, 909, and 606, as well as dozens of other synth and drum patches. I can't remember the thing's letters (obviously not TB-303). It has that rolling lights thing that doubles as a keyboard as well as many knobs to tweak everything (totally analog, but with a digital readout). It retails for about $699. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LM Subject: Re: (kw) New Roland 303 Date: 04 Apr 1997 22:46:23 -0800 Adam Schefflan wrote: > I saw in Sam Ash, in NYC, that there's a new 303 with sounds from the > 808, 909, and 606, as well as dozens of other synth and drum patches. > I can't remember the thing's letters (obviously not TB-303). It's called MC-303, and it's been out since last year. > It has that rolling lights thing that doubles as a keyboard as well > as many knobs to tweak everything (totally analog, but with a digital > readout). It retails for about $699. Peace. Actually it's totally digital. The MC-303 uses (guess what?) PCM samples that run through digital (but quite "analog" sounding) resonant filters and reverb/chorus FX. You can control some of the sound parameters in real-time using knobs, much like on a TB-303. It also has an onboard sequencer/drum-machine that is optimized for creating dance and techno style music. The only problem that I see with this device is that the canned patterns may start to sound boring after a while (but you'll sure have some fun before that)... You can get an incteractive shockwave demo at: http://www.rolandcorp.com/cyber/mc303/vm303.html |_ |\/| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-kraftwerk@xmission.com Date: 05 Apr 1997 06:57:32 -0700 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) New Roland 303 Date: 05 Apr 1997 15:07:55 +0000 Adam Schefflan wrote: > = > I saw in Sam Ash, in NYC, that there's a new 303 with sounds from the > 808, 909, and 606, as well as dozens of other synth and drum patches. I= > can't remember the thing's letters (obviously not TB-303). It has that it's a Roland MC-303 'groovebox' - been out since last may - not a bad little box for the money (and a little cheaper in the US too - cost about =A3550= in the UK at the time) > rolling lights thing that doubles as a keyboard as well as many knobs t= o > tweak everything (totally analog, but with a digital readout). It retai= ls not analogue in the slightest, completely digital in fact! - sounds alright though, but no TR-606 drums, only 808 & 909 (only!). you also get a really quite usable effects processor, but only a stereo output (but at this price range, who's complaining?). the synth pads and basses are excellent too, (jupiters and junos come to mind - nice), there's a few zaps and clangs as well - feature packed or what! it's a really nice machine, ideal for those who want those classsic sounds with digital reliability and controlability, and are unable (or unwilling) to pay inflated second hand prices for the real mccoy. get one if you can! -- Jon Alsbury 'by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody' BTW, no i don't work for roland, i just think it's a beautiful little machine, the like of which roland, yamaha, korg et al should produce more of because that's what people want, not boring workstations. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: RE: (kw) TranceWerk Express Date: 05 Apr 1997 22:49:17 +0200 At 12:51 31-03-97 UT, you wrote: >>Does anyone know if the TranceWerk tributes on >>Hypnotic/Cleopatra/Caroline/Virgin are any good???? I think that >>Cleopatra, as a label, is rather cheesy, naah mean? The Notorious B.I.G., >>1972-1997, RIP. Peace. > >Hi everyone, > >I am new in the list and i am listening to kraftwerk for a very very long >time. >I have 'TranceWerk tribute vol 2' and it is quite good ! Does someone have >the volume 1 ? What are the song remixed in this one ? Thanks in advance. > Remixes? WHAT REMIXES?? PANIC! Tell Me More, please! JOhan. -- God is a subwoofer, and he listen to drum & bass. Turn up thy religion! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guderian" Subject: (kw) TranceWerk Express Date: 05 Apr 1997 23:59:09 +0200 Hello! Well TranceWerk has som godd trax. The Robots is the best. I don´t have it my self. I´ve sold it Got bored of it. But if you want to her some good trance this is it. Have any heard the 12" remixes? I´ve ordered them but I don´t know when they will come. Are the 12" any good? Guderian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "citadel" Subject: (kw) citadel replies to havok on kraftwelt impressions Date: 05 Apr 1997 00:17:55 -0400 " i recently (out of curiosity) bought 'electric demension' by kraftwelt." i bought this cd on a desperate move out of frustration when i found out nothing else reminiscing to a KW cd at Philadelphia'sTower Records last December. i am still wondering about any similarities to KW except for a few Klichés here and there. yet, this electronic Danish pastry shows a unified sensorial "cortex stimulation". is quite refreshing. is the most effective imitation of an earlier Mario Bros soundscore i have ever listened. got my eardrums shriveled before i reached for the volume knob. however, is an excellent Werks, reminds me of Begegnungen by eno roedelius moebius and plank; in fact, some pieces sound more like bryan eno's than KW. 's glisandos really got me into the twilight zone. in any case, i think i made a strangely good buy. most Sprokets would like it. recently i got my hands into vols i & ii of Trancewerk Express, also from Hypnotic records. these 2 cds are really a KW-eske orgasmic smorgabord. the teutonic elektroblitz a la Computerworld is at its zenit with some pieces. i can't stop listening to 's version by Ikon. can anyone tell me about Ikon? Wakelig Zahnrad nur. 7.a # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) re: WHRB@Harvard Date: 05 Apr 1997 14:53:36 -0800 The Saga of ROBOT's Records continues.... Dear Fellow Listoids, Hallelujah! I found WHRB's WebSite and Emailed the Station Manager/Staff = concerning loaning my Precious Irreplaceable KW German Import Vinyl to = Geoff Gladstone/Rac Shade for The KRAFTWERK Orgy Program back in = January, and I got a very nice reply from WHRB President Nitin Nayan, = who assures me that my Albums are safe will be returned shortly. He = -(she?)- also said "I myself am now a -(KW)- fan after listening to The = Orgy." YEAH! We got us another one! I'm thrilled to have had a hand in = gaining a new "Convert". Geoff had promised to send me tapes of the = Program as well. I can't wait to hear what I missed! -(I'm stuck in the = Redwoods, nowhere near Boston. 3,000 Watts- can't pick 'em up here in = Californiay.)- *sigh* [Warning: KRAFTWERK is extremely addictive and can be habit-forming!] = :] ROBOSMILEY I also heard from James Twiss, General Manager @ WHRB. He said he's got = his "most obnoxious" people on Geoff's case to return my records. Good! = When it comes to KW, I can get eXtremely Obnoxious, too! I told 'em if = Geoff doesn't send me my Albums real soon, I'll EAT his Stereo!*YUM*! = Especially the SubWoofer! I received several letters of support from Kindred Spirits on the List = as well. Thanks, everyone. Us FanatiKs gotta stick together. KRAFTWERK = is TOO rare and Precious! OH! I sent a brief B'Day Message for Florian to "anyone@kraftwerk.com" = the other day, and it didn't get bounced, so, hopefully someone involved = with KW received it. -(A.Kuckartz?)- whatever. No reply yet. None = expected, really. So.... Alles Gute zum Geburtstag, Florian! Ein Prosit! ROBOTiK Love, ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk interview Date: 06 Apr 1997 19:28:35 +0200 (MDT) Feel free to mail me questions you wish to ask Kraftwerk. The result will appear on the Infobahr. And please, do not excect any answers to questions like "When will your next album be released?". ;-) /anders -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * mailto:dvlawm@cs.umu.se or trafo@analogue.org * * Umea University * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * http://wilhelm.ml.org/ * *************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Fw: (kw) Kraftwerk interview Date: 06 Apr 1997 11:49:13 -0700 OOPS! I meant to "cc" this. I'm sure we're all asking the same thing.... ---------- For real? Ralf & Florian have granted you an Interview? EXcellent! All I = want to know is: Q: Is there any chance of a World/US Tour this summer? NOTE: Us poor folks can't afford to fly to England for The Tribal = Gathering -and, yes, we ALL want to know if/when the *NEW* Album will be = released. It's a fair question. ROBOT@humboldt1.com -(New Email Address)- ---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk interview Date: 06 Apr 1997 09:32:16 -0400 >Feel free to mail me questions you wish to ask Kraftwerk. >The result will appear on the Infobahr. And please, do not excect any answers >to questions like "When will your next album be released?". ;-) Ok, my question for Kraftwerk is: Since the Internet has caught on with the general public of all ages as a most common, popular, and rapidly-growing means of communication these days, what are your thoughts and feelings regarding the Internet (both present and future) now that the ideology of the 'computer world' has fully materialized into a widespread and global reality? P.S. - Thank You so much for all of the wonderful music and ideas you have given us over the years!! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) #Kraftwerk IRC support? Date: 06 Apr 1997 10:47:17 -0400 Fellow Kraftwerkians, Hello there. I don't know how many of you are familiar with IRC (Internet Relay Chat), but for those of you that are or for those of you even remotely interested in it, this message applies. In all the time I've been on-line, I've seen just about every single band imaginable represented by a chat channel on IRC *EXCEPT* for Kraftwerk! I figure that it's time to do something about that. I'm planning to register channel #Kraftwerk on Undernet, one of the largest IRC nets out there. I don't know how many of you would be interested in using the channel to chat regularly, but regardless, in order for me to register the channel I need 10 supporters (aside from myself). So, if anyone thinks it's a cool idea, just send me your email address and a nickname you'd want to be called by if you were to use the channel to chat w/other Kraftwerk fans. It's that simple. Keep in mind - by sending me your nickname and email, you are NOT going to be added to some mailing list or anything silly like that. We just need 10 people to support the idea. Hope to hear from you. Kraftwerk deserves to be on IRC too!! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Boing Boom Tschak...Techno Pop." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F.J.Meijer@stud.frw.ruu.nl" Date: 07 Apr 1997 11:15:03 +0200 Hai Kraftwerkians! Finally I can come up with some news. In the April issue of the magazine MOJO, some 25 pages are dedicated to "KRAUTROCK", of which 5 pages are totally dedicated to Kraftwerk! I haven't read it yet (celebrating my birthday this weekend), but it looks very nice. There are some pictures in it which I have never seen, like one from in the Kling Klang studio, one 1991 concert photo, Ralf and Florian sharing a joke in the middle of the 70s. I guess the news value is rather low, although it might that Flur was interviewed for this article (I am not sure!). There are also 10 albums selected which were influenced by Kraftwerk: Numan, Africa Bambaata, Eno etc. Kraftwerk fans should not miss this magazine. FIVE pages! Kraftwerk is actually depicted on the cocer of the magazine (taken from Trans Europe Express). Go get it! Frank Meijer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) Magazine Article Date: 07 Apr 1997 10:19:39 +-100 Hi there all fans, Just a quick note to let you all know that there is a magazine here in = the UK called, well I think it's called, Slut Jockey. There is an article all about Kraftwerk, and their progression from 1969 = to date. The article finishes by saying that although we do not expect = too much in the way of new material, the tent at Tribal Gathering will = be packed when they play out of major respect for the influence they = have had on electronic music. Anyone else playing at the same time as = them will be in for a lonely session! Still Werking!! Craig. PS. It's nice to receive a message on this list about Kraftwerk for a = change, no more Aphex please! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Heute ist Florian's Geburtstag! Date: 07 Apr 1997 02:38:50 -0700 Alles Gute Zum Geburtstag, Florian! PROSIT! *sigh* I'm listening to KRAFTWERK, sending Loving Thoughts and = Joy/Energy to Florian & Ralf & Company on this Special Day. Hm-m, = California is on Daylight Savings Time now- so, is it 9 hours ahead in = Deutschland, or 10? I don't want to mis-calculate my = Astral-Projection.... More FAQs for R & F: "How do you achieve such perfect 'balance' in your = MusiK/Imagery?" I'll leave it up to Ander's good judgement as to the matter of the = effects of their MusiK on the Listeners, as I attempted to explain to = him in private Email- Like, how do they tap into the Brain and take over = the Autonomic Nervous System? No other MusiK does it like KRAFTWERK. I = wonder if it's possible to OD on "Auditory Orgasms". Plug me in to = KlingKlang and let's find out!*SCREAM*! sorry. I'm not responsible for = what they do to me. -(Let's keep it between us, okay? If only they knew! = I'd DIE!)- Guten Nacht! ROBOTiK LOVE 4EVER! ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk on swedish radio all week Date: 07 Apr 1997 13:10:52 +0200 (MDT) Kraftwerk is going to have massive airplay this week on swedish national radio, as they are being the "artist of the week" in the show "Musikjournalen". Usually that aritst gets played on several other shows during the week. On thursday they will have a Kraftwerk speciall between 18-1900.. /anders -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * mailto:dvlawm@cs.umu.se or trafo@analogue.org * * Umea University * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * http://wilhelm.ml.org/ * *************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk on swedish radio all week Date: 07 Apr 1997 13:44:56 +0100 On 07-Apr-97 A.D., Anders Wilhelm carved the following runes about "(kw) Kraftwerk on swedish radio all week": >Kraftwerk is going to have massive airplay this week on swedish national >radio, as they are being the "artist of the week" in the show [...] I simply can't believe it!! First, the Soviet Union collapses, then we join the EU, and now - a Kraftwerk-special on Swedish national radio.... Gerade aus! -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Pelan Subject: (kw) Re: Mojo & Krautrock Date: 07 Apr 1997 14:41:13 +0100 (BST) On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, F.J.Meijer@stud.frw.ruu.nl wrote: > Finally I can come up with some news. In the April issue of the magazine > MOJO, some 25 pages are dedicated to "KRAUTROCK", of which 5 pages are > totally dedicated to Kraftwerk! I got it a week or two ago when it came out but I didn't think it was up to much. IMHO, it's fine for people that don't know who Kraftwerk are - up to a point - but for those more experienced with them and their music, like many on this list, it won't tell them anything that they didn't know already. The whole 'Krautrock' collection of articles *is* quite good though. > There are also 10 albums selected which were influenced by > Kraftwerk: Numan, Africa Bambaata, Eno etc. A rather short and none too comprehensive list I would have thought. It is always difficult to gauge 'influence' though unless the music is dripping with samples, similar sounds or lyrics - or the artist comes out and says so - which isn't that often. (I must say that I don't approve of revivals / comebacks anyway - not least because it forces the cost of the music up and it has a tendency to 'taint' the whole thing with nasty commercialism. I can see the Spice Girls doing a cover of 'The Model'. Arrggh. Anyway, where were all these adulating masses when Kraftwerk were around the first time ? But that's my problem I suppose.) John P. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F.J.Meijer@stud.frw.ruu.nl" Date: 07 Apr 1997 17:41:42 +0200 >> Finally I can come up with some news. In the April issue of the magazine >> MOJO, some 25 pages are dedicated to "KRAUTROCK", of which 5 pages are >> totally dedicated to Kraftwerk! >I got it a week or two ago when it came out but I didn't think it was up >to much. IMHO, it's fine for people that don't know who Kraftwerk are - up >to a point - but for those more experienced with them and their music, >like many on this list, it won't tell them anything that they didn't know >already. >John Pelan I guess it is fine for people who are fan of Kraftwerk, and like to have magazines with some color pictures in it! That does not happen too often! The news value is indeed low... Frank Meijer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christian Laval <100015.132@compuserve.com> Subject: (kw) concerts? Date: 07 Apr 1997 16:27:25 +0200 Hi, my name is Christian. I heard about Kraftwerk's concert at the Tribal Gathering. Does anybody know if there are other concerts planned? Thanks! Christian 100015.132@compuserve.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Re: Mojo & Krautrock Date: 07 Apr 1997 12:26:19 -0400 Also, VOX magazine in the uk has a four page article on Kraftwerk, with interviews of Liam Howlett, Gary Numan and Bambaataa, all talking about kw. Again, nothing really new, but plenty of good colour pics. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "hawran hr63" Subject: (kw) new_member Date: 07 Apr 1997 10:10:18 PDT Hi all Kraftwerkians! I'm new here, my name is Peter "Hawran" Jindra, I'm 33 years old and I live in Pilsen in Czech Republic (and I speak czech language more better than english, sorry). I like Kraftwerk more than 15 years and I'm searching for new informations about KW and his fans. So, I mean, that's all about me - see up in Luton!!! hawran Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) New Bootleg? Date: 07 Apr 1997 19:15:07 +0200 (DFT) Apparently there is a new Kraftwerk-related bootleg remix CD out, which was mentioned on alt.music.synthpop recently: Special Mezzo Mixes CD: - Depeche Mode: Ice Machine 6:55 - Frankie Goes To Hollywood: Megamix 7:38 - Madonna: Bye Bye Baby 5:06 - New Order: Megamix 11:12 - Pink Floyd: Another Brick In The Wall 5:45 - Duran Duran: Violence Of Summer 5:53 - Human League: Heart Like A Wheel 6:58 - Kraftwerk: Tour De France 5:26 - Janet Jackson: Because Of Love 7:02 - Mariah Carey: Dreamlover 4:13 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Merchandize Date: 07 Apr 1997 13:57:06 EDT Does anyone know if there are any T-shirts from "The Mix" or "Electric Cafe" tours? Also, are there clothes patches like those heavy metal patches? If I see another Metallica or AC/DC or Led Zeppelin patch I'll scream! GIVE ME KRAFTWERK OR GIVE ME DEATH! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Miguel Reis Subject: (kw) Africa Bambaata and Kraftwerk Date: 07 Apr 1997 20:25:28 GMT The first time Africa Bambaata heard Kraftwerk he said something like thi= s: "=20 If i mind saying but that=B4s some weird shit"=20 Miguel Reis genio@mail.telepac.pt miguelreis@mail.telepac.pt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Afrika Bambaataa & Kraftwerk #2 Date: 07 Apr 1997 15:53:56 EDT >>> The first time Afrika Bambaataa heard Kraftwerk he said something like this: "If i mind saying, but that's some weird shit!" <<< He also said, "What's up with them funky whiteboys?" Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: (kw) Question for Kraftwerk Date: 07 Apr 1997 16:10:34 -0400 (EDT) My question to R&F would be: what do think of the fact that the stylistic "book" you guys wrote has so thoroughly permeated the musical world? Really--almost every electronically-based band owes a massive debt to Kraftwerk, as do legions of rappers, etc. etc. I wonder if they ever thought that pop music would ever become so electronically-oriented. And yet, with all the electronic hardware so readily available, still, no one can sound like Kraftwerk but themselves. Then again, forgive me for stating the obvious--that's like saying that will all the guitar players out there, still, no one sounds like Hendrix! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) #Kraftwerk IRC support? Date: 07 Apr 1997 22:20:00 +0200 At 10:47 6-04-97 -0400, you wrote: >Fellow Kraftwerkians, > > Hello there. I don't know how many of you are familiar with IRC >(Internet Relay Chat), but for those of you that are or for those of you >even remotely interested in it, this message applies. In all the time I've >been on-line, I've seen just about every single band imaginable represented >by a chat channel on IRC *EXCEPT* for Kraftwerk! I figure that it's time to >do something about that. I'm planning to register channel #Kraftwerk on > Once every now and then I visit the IRC. There was a time when there was a #Kraftwerk-channel, but it was always very quiet when I visited there, except for the KraftBot someone put up there. It dissapeared about a year ago, if i remember correctly. Thatz all I had to say on the matter. A #kraftwerk-channel (one WITH visitors) would be nic, though. Laterz, Johan. -- God is a subwoofer, and he listen to drum & bass. Turn up thy religion! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: Re: (kw) Merchandize Date: 07 Apr 1997 22:08:28 +0200 I bought one official KW T-Shirt at the Mix Concert in Vienna 1992. I has the Radioactivity logo. Anonther one they sold had the Autobahn motive. Also bought two posters there (Man Machine and the Mix). After the concert they sold unofficial T-shirt. I got one which has the Mix robot on the front and the German/Austrian tour dates on the back. Hope this helps Hasta luego Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at WWW: http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/usr/h85/h8551159/local.html ¿ Hay una discoteca por aquí ? > Does anyone know if there are any T-shirts from "The Mix" or "Electric > Cafe" tours? Also, are there clothes patches like those heavy metal > patches? If I see another Metallica or AC/DC or Led Zeppelin patch I'll > scream! GIVE ME KRAFTWERK OR GIVE ME DEATH! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) IRC Supporters - good werk! Date: 07 Apr 1997 04:30:36 -0400 Fellow Kraftwerkians, Well people, I received all 10 letters of support for the #Kraftwerk IRC channel virtually overnight! As a matter of fact, I'm still continuing to receive additional letters which is wonderful. I'd like thank everybody on the list for their support and speedy replies. Those of you whose addresses were used for the registration form will be receiving a note from regproc@undernet.org which is just a confirmation slip to make sure you approve of the channel #Kraftwerk. Since we all approve, simply disregard that email note from regproc@undernet.org. In fact, right near the end of it there should be a line that reads: --- If you *DO* support this channel, please disregard this message, your support has already been noted. --- And there you have it folks. Thanks again for all the support, and I'll let you know as soon as we get some registration response from Undernet. Going through the process of registering a channel can take a few weeks at most sometimes, but hopefully everything will go smoothly here. I'll keep you posted. -- Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net HAPPY 50th BIRTHDAY FLORIAN!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wilhelm Subject: (kw) Irc-channel #kraftwerk (undernet) Date: 08 Apr 1997 11:54:11 +0200 (MDT) I got a bot up and running which I also have set up to be on #kraftwerk... So, get in there now and do some serious kw-chatting... ;-) /anders -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * mailto:dvlawm@cs.umu.se or trafo@analogue.org * * Umea University * http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm * * Sweden * http://wilhelm.ml.org/ * *************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Kraftwelt: Electronic Dimension Date: 08 Apr 1997 06:54:01 -0000 All, I picked up this album at the local HMV, which was in the Kraftwerk section. Now, let me preface this by saying that I am a die-hard Kraftwerk fan. If anything claims to be remotely Kraftwerk-like (other than remixes) then I expect it to be rhythmic, interesting, and fundamentally be clever in concept. Kraftwelt is not. This album employs purile and epileptic rhythms, disjointed mashings of a keyboard is more accurate. Simply because a band uses all synths and electronics does NOT make them Kraftwerkish. Kraftwerk has managed to make their music a seemless entity of pure sound - there is no outside influence, it is fluidly mechanical in nature and clearly imaginary in presence. Kraftwelt's sound is that of someone desparately trying to be electronic, and to be as cutting edge as Kraftwerk. There is no plan to this album, it goes every where with it's sound, and yet has no formal programme as to what it is trying to say. In short there's lots of noise, but no content. With that in mind, the first track, 'The Fiery Angels of Orc" is a fairly decent track. It is reminiscent of Future Sound of London (another band who is a desparate plea for Kraftwerk's genius). Thankfully HMV offers refunds. Bruce ---- Paradoxical state dependant associative phenomenon. (Or deja vu...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Irc-channel #kraftwerk (undernet) Date: 07 Apr 1997 21:26:17 -0400 >I got a bot up and running which I also have set up to be on >#kraftwerk... So, get in there now and do some serious >kw-chatting... ;-) Which net is your bot set up on? I'd love to go take a peek. I just checked out Undernet's #Kraftwerk, which is still empty (come on registration!). Bots tend to get kicked off Undernet by the management, since they only support the registered channels by granting you their official "X" or "W" bot. How Kraftwerk-esque to have your very own robot in the channel! I currently am only running the #Kraftwerk channel on DALnet (a bit smaller than Undernet and EFnet) until the Undernet channel comes through. So, let us know where your bot is and I'll be glad to get started on the chatline in there too, Anders! :) -- Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "We start to move...and we break the glass..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Irc-channel #kraftwerk (undernet) Date: 07 Apr 1997 22:55:26 -0400 >The name of the bot is florian_, what servers do you use? If you enter >via irc.stealth.net you usually can find all channels with european >people on, as it seems that we get splitted from american servers >all too often... Ah! Ok, now I got it. For everyone interested, Anders' bot (called Florian_) is set up on the #Kraftwerk channel on EFnet, not Undernet. Cute bot! Thanks to Jules for stopping by #Kraftwerk in Undernet this morning to chat. Hope to see all of you out there at some point or another. -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) Dentaku Date: 08 Apr 1997 23:21:53 +0900 Hello, I got a personal e-mail from a KW-ML member, but I'm sure this had better be a public topic, so I reply this to entire list. I got a mail which says: > Could you translate what they say into english? It goes almost equivalent to English lyrics in "Pocket Calculator" as follows: [Original lyrics in Japanese] [English equivalent] Boku wa Ongaku-ka I'm a musician Dentaku kakate ni with my pocket calculator Tasitari (I'm) adding Hiitari and substracting Sousa site (I'm) controlling Sakkyoku suru and composing Kono botan oseba By pressing down this button Ongaku kanaderu (it) plays a little melody Japanese "si" is actually pronounced closer to "shi" or "shh". Cheers, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Quasimidi Date: 08 Apr 1997 18:26:56 +0200 (DFT) From the Future Music 4/1997 editorial: "Dave's just called from the Frankfurt Musikmesse with more exciting stuff which has just been launched: [...] Kraftwerk are using loads of new Quasimidi stuff which is really cool." Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) FSOL & Kraftwerk Date: 08 Apr 1997 13:37:01 EDT >>> ...Future Sound of London (another band who is a desperate plea for Kraftwerk's genius). <<< I think FSOL's on a different planet, like comparing apples and oranges, but don't call them "ambient"! I rather like FSOL, but they can't hold a candle to KW. I don't think they're trying to get props off of KW, though. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: Re: (kw) Irc-channel #kraftwerk (undernet) Date: 08 Apr 1997 20:52:57 +0200 Hi Scott, Hi Anders! Hi Kraftwerk-Liste! What a confusion!! I tried to connect to EFNet. thru different servers. They all are based in the US. Do you want to exclude the Europeans (incl. Ralf&Florian)??? Most of them rejected my login. Finally I found one which would let me in )in CA, Cupertino), but there was noone on #kraftwerk ,no man, no machine, no bot. Could you please get things organized and let the rest of us know how we can join. Which programm, server, channel should we use? And don't you think that -since we are not that many- it would make sense to set up a "jour fix". A day and time, when we all can meet. Preferably a time which is suitable for Americans and Europeans. Trotzdem Guten Abend aus Wien Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at WWW: http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/usr/h85/h8551159/local.html ¿ Hay una discoteca por aquí ? > Ah! Ok, now I got it. For everyone interested, Anders' bot (called > Florian_) is set up on the #Kraftwerk channel on EFnet, not Undernet. Cute bot! > Thanks to Jules for stopping by #Kraftwerk in Undernet this morning to chat. > Hope to see all of you out there at some point or another. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwelt: Electronic Dimension Date: 08 Apr 1997 15:17:12 +0600 This kills me. Alot of people on this list complain about how no electronic group sucks compared to kraftwerk, yet are quick to point out that kraftwerk influenced all of these groups that suck. Heres the deal: all of these groups' foundations are kraftwerk. Kraftwerk is the base of the entire electronic music culture. No one can beat the power and purity of a kraftwerk record (especially those before the 90s), because they are all just distorted, or perhaps more accurately, sculpted versions of kraftwerk. The orignal piece is the best, but these other versions are definitely worth checking out. Kraftwerk opened up an entire universe, much like Velvet Underground, and others, that is still being explored and new corners are discovered every day. These new acts that cannot live up to kraftwerk in themselves simply complement kraftwerk, and make the fab four (why has that become their nickname?) that much better in my eyes. For example, what if kraftwerk did their thing and no one ever picked up a synth again? Well, kraftwerk would be looked on as an oddity, a curio of sorts, instead of being an extremely innovative and influential band that they are considered today. No electronic music will ever be as good as kraftwerk was (probably not even kraftwerk) and that's ok, because no one can expect to outdo a group that broke boundries in that manner, and no one will. Emmett # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Irc-channel #Kraftwerk on Undernet. Date: 08 Apr 1997 04:52:58 -0400 >Could you please get things organized and let the rest of us know how we >can join. Which programm, server, channel should we use? >And don't you think that -since we are not that many- it would make sense >to set up a "jour fix". A day and time, when we all can meet. >Preferably a time which is suitable for Americans and Europeans. Sorry about any confusion, but hopefully this will clear up a bit of it. The Kraftwerk channel (#Kraftwerk) is going to be on Undernet, and there are many servers (both American & European) that can be used to connect to it. I'll post some of them at the bottom of this message. The channel will not officially be ready until after the registration process is completed, but it would be a good idea for everyone to get used to Undernet and to let Undernet see that we have a good following. So, here are some servers you can use depending on where you are: EUROPE ------ regensburg.de.eu.undernet.org espoo.fi.eu.undernet.org caen.fr.eu.undernet.org amsterdam.nl.eu.undernet.org diemen.nl.eu.undernet.org oslo.no.eu.undernet.org lulea.se.eu.undernet.org london.uk.eu.undernet.org USA --- phoenix.az.us.undernet.org sandiego.ca.us.undernet.org baltimore.md.us.undernet.org washington.dc.us.undernet.org lowell.ma.us.undernet.org dallas.tx.us.undernet.org saltlake.ut.us.undernet.org chicago.il.us.undernet.org blacksburg.va.us.undernet.org manhattan.ks.us.undernet.org ann-arbor.mi.us.undernet.org Of course these servers are by no means the only ones that are out there. If you have difficulty connecting, try one of the others on the list. If you still cannot connect, we'll figure out a way to accomodate you. You can let me know if you're having trouble getting onto Undernet. The connections for Undernet can often be busy due to heavy traffic. If you successfully connect to Undernet and join #Kraftwerk to find nobody there, that's ok. Right now I'm just concerned with everyone being able to get there. We can work out the details of what times are appropriate to meet and such once we all know we can connect. So for now - everyone who wishes to participate in the KW discussions on #Kraftwerk should attempt to connect to Undernet. You can email me privately to let me know if you got there ok, so as to not take up space here on the mailing list with it. Who knows, I might even be in the channel to greet you when you get there! :) It's coming along, people. -- Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Eins...Zwei...Drei...Vier..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) IRC reminder. Date: 08 Apr 1997 05:03:14 -0400 Just a brief reminder to everyone regarding the Kraftwerk channel. In order to avoid confusion, keep in mind that although there are many different chat nets out there, we are trying to set up base on UNDERNET. Only in the event that we run into major trouble with people being able to connect to Undernet will we switch over to a different net. If that happens, there's already a back-up plan devised. :o) One way or another, the channel is happening though. Thanks again to all those people whose letters of support are continuing to trickle in today. See you on Undernet! -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwelt: Electronic Dimension Date: 08 Apr 1997 22:50:29 +0200 Daneel Olivaw wrote: > Kraftwerk is the base of the entire electronic music culture. I hope you're referring only to the electronic POP music culture. Kraftwerk themselves acknowledge the influence of Stockhausen--not that he is the single most innovative composer of electronic music, but he surely represents the german heritage that KW wanted to recapture. The innovation of Kraftwerk regarding the 'entire electronic music culture' is only the generalized use of pure electronic timbres in pop music. Otherwise, electronic pop would tend to use simulated acoustic sounds. The electronic music culture predates Kraftwerk by at least 20 years (considering only the period in which electronic compositions started to proliferate), whereas electronic/electric instruments date from the very start of this century. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: (kw) kraftwerk interview Date: 08 Apr 1997 19:04:11 -0700 if i were to ask ralf and florian a question, it would be this: there are so many electronic musical groups now competing to enter the mainstream of popular music, but somehow none of them has been able to have as strong a command of aesthetics as kraftwerk did. none of them are able to command the imagination the way kraftwerk has. does this necessarily come from a perch of profound isolation from the world? thanks stephenv@sirius.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: (kw) Karten fuer Tribal Gathering Date: 08 Apr 1997 17:33:17 -0400 Hy, fur alle die noch karten brauchen und aus deutschland sind: tickets gibt es bei tickets und tour, tel: 08131 / 54778 gruss oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) #Kraftwerk channel on mIRC Date: 09 Apr 1997 01:09:08 -0700 Hey, Everybody! KooL! This CHAT stuff is FUN! It's about TIME we had us a KRAFTWERK = Channel. Y'all gotta try it- even an=20 Idiot can ME can do it! Ofcourse, it took a while for me to figure it = out, but, it WERKs! -(ThanX, Kristallo/Spacelab for walking me through = it!)- I only wish I hadn't had to log off so soon when I was on earlier- = now it's 0100 here in California and I can't find ANYone on ANY of the = mIRC Channels to chat with. -(:[ ROBOGRUMPY)- 'Might as well go = horizontal, plug in the headphones, and drift off to La-La Land. -(Ha! = Some big deal in the news about "Orgasm Pills". 'Don't need 'em. Just = plug into KRAFTWERK.*sigh*.)- Anyway, I hope we can all agree on a "window" so everyone all over the = planet can chat! The Mail List wont be nearly so "Cluttered" from now on = with "off-topic" stuff- we can get off on our tangents on the #Kraftwerk = Channel- as long as we remember The True Gods of All Things TECHNO. = -(The "Fab Four", indeed! WAY better than the Beatles- not that there's = anything "wrong" with the Beatles.)- Nobody does it like KW! =3DOHM SWEET OHM=3D ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ap597@rgfn.epcc.Edu (Dexter Porras) Subject: (kw) how.. Date: 09 Apr 1997 07:00:29 MDT hell-o.. i dont know how to log on to the kraftwerk channel.. i already have an account on it.. could someone tell me how to log on to it??.. thanx.. -dexter- /< /\/\ F > /\/\.. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) #Kraftwerk channel on mIRC Date: 08 Apr 1997 23:08:49 -0400 >KooL! This CHAT stuff is FUN! It's about TIME we had us a KRAFTWERK Channel. >Y'all gotta try it- Well put. hehe :) Well people, everything is going smoothly so far. Thanks to all the people who showed up to chat so far. This morning's converation's ranged everywhere from talking about "trans-slovenia express" to ralf & florian's hair back in 1970. hehehe Seriously though, the response to the channel has been phenomenal, which heightens our chances of Undernet approving our application for registration. Keep it up! By the way, we even attracted the interest of some list members who are brand new to the whole IRC concept but want to get in on the chatting. If you are one such member, I have put together an instructional email that walks you through the basic process of where to get the IRC software, how to install it, and how to try and get to our channel. If you don't have IRC but are interested in trying it or finding out more, email me privately and I'll send you the basic info on how to get it. Don't worry about the IRC commands and features yet, because there will be people in the #Kraftwerk channel who can help newcomers with that when you get there. The most important part is getting there! :) SO good luck to those who are new at it and giving it a go. See you there. -- Scott P.S. - We'll begin to coordinate some kind of time schedule when it's convenient for us to all meet on the channel fairly soon, so what you can start to do is send me privately an email message containing the times of day that you'd be able to participate, and please mention which country you're in and what the time difference is from the U.S. Thanks- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Where's Florian???? Date: 09 Apr 1997 09:08:06 -0400 Got on to IRC #kraftwerk at irc.stealth.net yesterday. All seems ok. Logged on today (09/04/1997) and florian bot has gone!!! Florian, where are you.............. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Rumour Date: 09 Apr 1997 19:24:04 +0200 (DFT) I haven't read it myself, but the April issue of the German magazine New Life seems to contain a brief note which states that EMI has turned down the new Kraftwerk material due to lack of quality and/or commercial potency in favor of a "Best Of" compilation. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Holmberg Subject: (kw) Session guitarist -- Kraftwerk ! Date: 09 Apr 1997 20:11:21 +0200 (MET DST) Hello everybody out there! A few (well 1990) years ago i read an interview(*) with swedish guitarist Kent Kroon; Kroon has played with, among others, James Last (!) Bryan Ferry, Andreas Wollenweider and Jan Akkerman. BUT, he has also played live with Kraftwerk! (at least according to the interview) This should have taken place in the middle of the 80's during a two week tour. There is no precise information on when and where these concerts where held, so... Does anyone know _anything_ about this? My copy of the magazine returned from parts unknown this evening, after being away for the last 6 years. Otherwise i would have brought this up earlier :-) /Anders Holmberg *) For our swedish listeners: The magazine is Musiker Magasinet nr 12-1990 The same magazine had a long interview with Hutter in nr 10-1991 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Future808@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) FSOL & Kraftwerk Date: 09 Apr 1997 14:26:16 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-09 13:13:56 EDT, muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) writes: << >>> ...Future Sound of London (another band who is a desperate plea for Kraftwerk's genius). <<< I think FSOL's on a different planet, like comparing apples and oranges, but don't call them "ambient"! I rather like FSOL, but they can't hold a candle to KW. I don't think they're trying to get props off of KW, though. Peace. >> FSOL can be ambient at times...most of Life Forms is what I would call ambient. I do think they are like mixing apples and oranges, though. FSOL is at times very "organic" sounding, while KW is always, always, always, letting you know that it is machine music (which isn't bad: otherwise why would I be on this list, duh). But they are two very different types of music, IMHO. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Where's Florian???? Date: 09 Apr 1997 04:51:05 -0400 >Got on to IRC #kraftwerk at irc.stealth.net yesterday. All seems ok. >Logged on today (09/04/1997) and florian bot has gone!!! >Florian, where are you.............. The Florian bot is the property of Anders Wilhelm, I believe, and I know that Anders has been present in the new channel on Undernet today, so maybe he took the bot out of stealth.net for the time being. -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Electronic Music and Kraftwerk Date: 09 Apr 1997 17:20:23 +0200 Daneel Olivaw wrote: > This reminds me... From what I can tell, before kraftwerk, electronic > music was varied (I have a country moog album), yet after kraftwerk, > it all tried to be kraftwerk or sound similar. This may be because kw > found a style that actually suited the synth. (...) but I do think > that their style of electronic music has the most influence over > electronic music today. You're again talking about electronic pop or the use of synthesizers on the popular music scene. Stockhausen belongs to the erudite/academic scene. For the sake of comparison, Stockhausen is considered the 20th century Beethoven, that is, he is very far from the commercial and popular genres of music. The electronic music of Stockhausen and other erudite composers of this century (of his generation, such as Nono, Xenakis, Boulez, Ligeti, ... and of younger generations) is quite different than what you'd expect. For one, they don't use synthesizers (at least the kind that we're used to see currently in music) or they rarely do, since much of the compositions were achieved before the stand-alone synth was ever invented and manufactured. Music was made directly on a recording medium (such as tape, hence the usual characterization of tape-music, but there were other mediums), and sounds were produced mainly by large modular arrays of electronic equipment. Robert Moog captured this concept when he first designed his synthesizers, whose primary objective was to make the equipment easily portable and stand-alone, since miniaturization was becoming more and more possible. With this facility (portability and lower prices) it was an instrument widely appreciated by a large community of musicians. The synthesizer entered the pop scene. But the pop musicians struggled for producing sound out of a synthesizer in the same way they played the other instruments. The sounds were pretty much tweaked by musicians so as to achieve "not unusual" sounds, and much of the expressive input synthesizers support is to convey an easy way to articulate electronic sound as an acoustic instrument. The great advance of Kraftwerk, and what they achieved that has so much influenced electronic musicians and bands, is that they showed that the pure electronic sound has its charm, and that electronic sounds needn't be compared (or similar to) acoustic ones. Also, besides the fact that they use (almost) exclusively electronic instruments, they managed to create the kind of popular musical discourse more appropriate for this kind of sounds (in their own words, the Elektronischevolksmusik, or electronic popular music, electro-pop). To say that Kraftwerk are THE influence behind the whole of the electronic music culture is not correct. But we may surely say that they took the synthesizer and electronic sounds out of academia and exposed them to the wide public. > Anyway, I'd appreciate it if you could tell me a bit more about > Stockhausen, since I'm really interested in pre-Kraftwerk electronic > music. For info on Stockhausen, you can check: http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jkandell/music/stockhausen.html http://www.jimstonebraker.com/stockhausen.html For an interesting document about the history of electronic music (not very detailed and exhaustive, but it mentions Kraftwerk!) check: http://www.china.co.uk/120_years/ Best! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Miguel Reis Subject: (kw) Africa Bambaata and Kraftwerk Date: 09 Apr 1997 23:49:29 GMT The first time Africa Bambaata heard Kraftwerk he said something like thi= s: "=20 If i mind saying but that=B4s some weird shit"=20 Miguel Reis genio@mail.telepac.pt miguelreis@mail.telepac.pt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Miguel Reis Subject: (kw) Africa Bambaata and Kraftwerk Date: 09 Apr 1997 23:30:36 GMT The first time Africa Bambaata heard Kraftwerk he said something like thi= s: "=20 If i mind saying but that=B4s some weird shit"=20 Miguel Reis genio@mail.telepac.pt miguelreis@mail.telepac.pt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: (kw) kw vs fsol ... uz Date: 09 Apr 1997 19:07:27 -0400 (EDT) i agree that fsol is not that similar to kw. however, i would argue that uberzone (uz) comes a little closer. the space kadet ep is quite satisfying. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) GREAT "Chat" Session, Guys! Date: 09 Apr 1997 17:33:15 -0700 Man, I'm HOOKED on this mIRC "Chat" thing! It's FUN typing up KRAFTWERK = in different Colors and Backgrounds, etc! Traffo, Kristallo, Bregito = -(sp? Rats- I forgot his name!)-, we'll be on again tomorrow at 11am = PST- PLEASE join us if you can! It's a BLAST! I wish I could SAVE the = conversation we all had, but, I still can't find the "save" icon/menu. As for KW and Early E-MusiK: It cracks me up when I read their comments, = "now we have silliness like Walter -(Wendy)- Carlos playing Bach on = Synthesizer." -HEY! I LIKE Switched-On BACH! I was into SYNTHS when they = first came out- thank you, Mr. MOOG! But, yeah, Stockhausen and Cage, = etc, used Gizmos & stuff. So did R&F in their Zygotic/Embyonic stages of = KRAFTWERK's development. *sigh* ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic Music and Kraftwerk Date: 10 Apr 1997 02:27:40 +0100 On 09-Apr-97 A.D., Paulo Mouat carved the following runes about "(kw) Electronic Music and Kraftwerk": [huge snip] >be compared (or similar to) acoustic ones. Also, besides the fact that >they use (almost) exclusively electronic instruments, they managed to >create the kind of popular musical discourse more appropriate for this >kind of sounds (in their own words, the Elektronischevolksmusik, or >electronic popular music, electro-pop). I'm not a native German-speaker, but doesn't "elektronische Volksmusik" mean "electronic folk music" rather than "pop" in its modern sense (since folk music no longer is very "popular"...)? I believe KW coined this expression as they wanted European/German people to listen to "their roots" or something like that instead of just adopting and accepting everything American, like all "pop" did back then (and does now...). Electronic Schubert, like... That's one of the reasons why I was disappointed at The Mix, but that's another story. :^] Gerade aus! -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) KW and Early E-MusiK Date: 10 Apr 1997 03:11:19 +0200 ROBOT wrote: > As for KW and Early E-MusiK: It cracks me up when I read their > comments, "now we have silliness like Walter -(Wendy)- Carlos playing > Bach on Synthesizer." -HEY! I LIKE Switched-On BACH! I was into SYNTHS > when they first came out- thank you, Mr. MOOG! But, yeah, Stockhausen > and Cage, etc, used Gizmos & stuff. So did R&F in their > Zygotic/Embyonic stages of KRAFTWERK's development. Not really comparable... You can't compare the experimental period of Kraftwerk and their equipment to the long-standing and famous studios of Koln Radio, the GRM or the RAI. Experimentation like Carlos or Tomita played a role in showing the power of synthesizers in a language easily accessible for the masses. To reduce the importance of such occurrences in music is surely not a fair move. It is true that Kraftwerk are a seminal electronic band, but we shouldn't blow their role out of proportion, lest we become blind to everything else. I like Kraftwerk A LOT, but I recognize that there are others that most assuredly have contributed more relevantly to the music of mankind. Kraftwerk are enjoyable (DEEPLY enjoyable...) but nothing more. Not wanting to digress and taking the risk of an unfair comparison, I'd say you don't discuss the music of Kraftwerk in music theory and electronic/ electro-acoustic composition classes. If they're the source of our entire e-music culture, then why isn't this culture relayed to future generations in the aforementioned music classes? Best! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic Music and Kraftwerk Date: 10 Apr 1997 03:15:28 +0200 Emanuel Mair wrote: > I'm not a native German-speaker, but doesn't "elektronische > Volksmusik" mean "electronic folk music" rather than "pop" in its > modern sense (since folk music no longer is very "popular"...)? "Volk" = "people"/"popular", hence "pop". They coined the term exactly to mean "electronic popular music." -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) KW + History of E-MusiK Date: 09 Apr 1997 23:52:36 -0700 *ahem* Okay, Paul Mouat says "KW is enjoyable (DEEPly enjoyable), but, = nothing more." -(?!!)- Granted, we all know they were not the FIRST to do = Experimental/Avant-Gard Electronic/semi-accoustic MusiK. But, they were = the first to make it so ....*Assimilating*! As much as I enjoy = Swithed-On BACH, PopCorn, Oxygene & I Feel Love, and as much as I find = stuff like Cage & Stockhausen & Tomita Interesting and well-done, = -(along with Classical and Rock, etc)-; NOTHING, but, NOTHING else in = the Entire UNIVERSE is even reMotely as Uphoric and All-Consuming as = KRAFTWERK. It's the "Energy/Frequency" thing. It is = Indescribable/Undefinable. The Perfect "Balance" is one way of putting = it. KW is Unique. #Kraftwerk Channel CHAT SESSION tomorrow, 1100 hrs PDT! I'm THERE, Dude! = Synchronize all Units! ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ZAWREL Johann / GFW Date: 10 Apr 1997 11:45:00 +0200 >Does anyone know if there are any T-shirts from "The Mix" or "Electric >Cafe" tours? Also, are there clothes patches like those heavy metal There was some black Autobahn and Radioactivity sold at the Tours, with the Tourdatas printed on the backside. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) kraftwerk.com Date: 10 Apr 1997 11:49:12 MET someone on the list mentioned that on the KW-homepage is a counter which counts down the days hours and seconds until the KW live appearance at the tribal-gathering-festival. well is it just me or do they have deinstalled the counter because i can't see anything of such a counter. Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Pop music vs. folk music Date: 10 Apr 1997 11:56:37 +0200 (DFT) Emanuel Mair wrote: > > I'm not a native German-speaker, but doesn't "elektronische > > Volksmusik" mean "electronic folk music" rather than "pop" in its > > modern sense (since folk music no longer is very "popular"...)? Paulo Mouat replied: > "Volk" = "people"/"popular", hence "pop". They coined the term exactly > to mean "electronic popular music." As a native German speaker I would like to second Emanuel Mair. "Volksmusik" does indeed translate to "folk music" rather than to "pop music", which is an entirely different genre, at least here in Germany. Also, Kraftwerk haven't really "coined" the term, as "Volksmusik" is the name of a musical genre and as such a terminus technicus. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) KW + History of E-MusiK Date: 10 Apr 1997 12:37:22 +0200 (DFT) On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, ROBOT wrote: > *ahem* Okay, Paul Mouat says "KW is enjoyable (DEEPly enjoyable), but, > nothing more." -(?!!)- > Granted, we all know they were not the FIRST to do Experimental/Avant- > Gard Electronic/semi-accoustic MusiK. But, they were the first to make > it so ....*Assimilating*! To say that Kraftwerk were the first to make electronic music "assimilating" is a purely subjective statement, other people may find Stockhausen or Cage more "assimilating". But in opposite to Stockhausen and Cage, Kraftwerk haven't really contributed to the history of music with the development of new musical structures. Most (if not all) of Kraftwerk's song structures, harmonies and rhythms were in fact already used in earlier decades or even centuries. Therefore I agree with Paulo Mouat that Kraftwerk is enjoyable, but nothing more. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW + History of E-MusiK (fwd) Date: 10 Apr 1997 13:08:29 METDST Hi, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > > Most (if not all) of Kraftwerk's song structures, harmonies and rhythms were > in fact already used in earlier decades or even centuries. > Therefore I agree with Paulo Mouat that Kraftwerk is enjoyable, but > nothing more. > > Klaus Zaepke > On the other hand there is something that makes Kraftwerk unique in a sense that they did DO things that weren't done that way before. I agree that it's not one of the above mentioned items but it's their way of varying the spectral harmonics of the sounds they used to build their songs, rhythms, etc. It's their way of combining simple compositions and rhythms with complex harmonic variations. E.g. remember the record "Radio-activity", the song, I believe, is called "Antenna" when they sing: "You're the antenna catching vibration ..."? After this sentence one note is played which is full of quickly varying and rich harmonics. So my point is: What's one note? But what a sound it produces! Can anybody recall some artists or bands using this kind of sounds in previous musical pieces? Perhaps there are some, but within a larger scope I think that they were indeed trendsetters for future synthesizer programming and usage within popular music. Peace, Eric -- Eric van Gasteren _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ ASIC Service Group, _/ _/_/_/ _/ Embedded Systems _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Technology Centre, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Room : WAY 4.51C _/_/_/ _/_/_/ontroller _/ _/odule _/_/_/ervice Phone: +31-40-2744958 _/ Fax : +31-40-2744626 EMail: gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com Prof. Holstlaan 4 5656 AA Eindhoven "Far is only far if you don't go there" The Netherlands # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F.J.Meijer@stud.frw.ruu.nl" Date: 10 Apr 1997 14:10:09 +0200 At 12:37 10-04-97 +0200, you wrote: > >On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, ROBOT wrote: > >> *ahem* Okay, Paul Mouat says "KW is enjoyable (DEEPly enjoyable), but, >> nothing more." -(?!!)- >> Granted, we all know they were not the FIRST to do Experimental/Avant- >> Gard Electronic/semi-accoustic MusiK. But, they were the first to make >> it so ....*Assimilating*! > >To say that Kraftwerk were the first to make electronic music >"assimilating" is a purely subjective statement, other people may find >Stockhausen or Cage more "assimilating". But in opposite to Stockhausen >and Cage, Kraftwerk haven't really contributed to the history of music >with the development of new musical structures. >Most (if not all) of Kraftwerk's song structures, harmonies and rhythms were >in fact already used in earlier decades or even centuries. >Therefore I agree with Paulo Mouat that Kraftwerk is enjoyable, but >nothing more. > > Klaus Zaepke I agree too. We should not be too exaggerate on Kraftwerk's contributions. They make great music, that is for sure. And of course they had influence on other musicians. But that does not mean that Kraftwerk is the ONLY band which influenced contemporary music. There were also other pioneer bands which all had their contributions in the development of music. Some of them you like more than others. We seem to like Kraftwerk very much. Because of their music but I guess also a bit because of their "mystique"... Frank Meijer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) KW + History of E-MusiK Date: 10 Apr 1997 07:55:43 -0400 >Therefore I agree with Paulo Mouat that Kraftwerk is enjoyable, but >nothing more correct, I agree to the full extense. Pls stop the hype. Kraftwerk made good music, if there is something to come, we will see. But there is other music too... Oliver (stalker) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW and Early E-MusiK Date: 10 Apr 1997 11:29:33 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-10 10:47:16 EDT, you write: << kraftwerk@xmission.com >> i think these comparisons are a little absurd. all things being alike, kraftwerk are irrefutabley muzikal pioneers (of many) in this century. it's difficult for me to see composers like carlos and jarre as modern masters, worthy of 'text-book' status in emuzik theory classes, when kw has had blatantly obvious influences on electronic muzik today. i mean honestly...when i listen to jarre (or carlos for that matter), i feel like burning incense, rubbing quartz crystals all over my body, and chanting a mantra. i think that brand of electronic music more closely resembles modern space and new age rubbish. when i listen to kw, i feel like slipping into something synthetic, donning a plastic wig, and wiggling about like the tranzender roboter at www.kraftwerk.com. >whew!< perhaps some of you can relate. thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) KW and Early E-MusiK Date: 10 Apr 1997 18:20:52 +0200 (DFT) > kraftwerk are irrefutabley muzikal pioneers Irrefutably? So what exactly are their pioneering deeds? They haven't founded a new musical theory, they haven't invented groundbreaking new harmonies or musical forms, and - despite many rumours - their contribution to the development of new instruments appears to be rather insignificant (or at least there is very little evidence to prove the opposite). > kw has had blatantly obvious influences on electronic muzik today. Sure, at least on electronic *pop* music. But is high influence really sufficient to qualify as a musical pioneer? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Subject: (kw) Re: kw EMI rumor Date: 10 Apr 1997 12:47:01 -0400 >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:24:04 +0200 (DFT) >From: Klaus Zaepke >Subject: (kw) Rumour > >I haven't read it myself, but the April issue of the German magazine >New Life seems to contain a brief note which states that EMI has turned >down the new Kraftwerk material due to lack of quality and/or commercial >potency in favor of a "Best Of" compilation. > > Klaus Zaepke I most certainly hope this is TRULY a rumor. For it *could* mean bad news indeed if it sparks another DELAY in the release of Kraftwerk material. Ackkkk, not another 'Techno Pop LP' fiasco! :( Personally, I don't really *need* any commercial potency from Kraftwerk's new material. That wasn't what hooked me in the first place! It was the pure musical genius of Ralf and Florian! Just give me the RAW Kraftwerk, EMI. Hits and commercialism is not required, thank you. -John # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Are we KW fans, or not? Date: 10 Apr 1997 11:00:47 -0700 Suffice it to say that Tangerine Dream, Can, and Faust, usw, existed = before KRAFTWERK, and they ALL made great contributions to Modern MusiK, = as did Cage, Stockhausen & Carlos in their own right. But, to deny KW = their rightful place in Musical History alongside these other Pioneers = is downright criminal. Besides, KRAFTWERK didn't "sell out" to the = "Anglo Craze" like their fellow Countrymen did. They stayed true to = themselves and gave much more Influence to what we now call TECHNO/New = Wave than any of the others. Their SOUND is truly unique. Even sample = rip-offs can't cut it. Only R & F have the MagiK Formula! Ah! 11:00am- Now it's time to go Chat with some REAL Fans! :] ROBOSMILEY ps: The Tribal Gathering Countdown is on the Infobahr, last time I = looked.... ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) KW and Early E-MusiK Date: 10 Apr 1997 20:10:59 +0200 (DFT) > >> kw has had blatantly obvious influences on electronic muzik today. > > > >Sure, at least on electronic *pop* music. > Please name some non-pop electronic music of today. Stockhausen would be the first name that comes to my mind. But I guess that almost all the contemporary composers use more or less electronic elements in their music nowadays, be it opera, ballet, symphonic music or pop music. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tiger Moses Subject: (kw) music files Date: 10 Apr 1997 12:28:17 -0500 I am starting a little collection of Kraftwerk MOD/S3M/XM type Kraftwerk music. The ones I have are aewsome mixes of Kraftwerk pieces. You can get any of the 4 so far by ftping to ftp://206.109.108.194/kraft/ Please upload any you have. If you have .au/.mp3/.wav of non-standard release recordings, then those are welcome. Tiger kraftwerk muzic files @ ftp://206.109.108.194/kraft/ send mod/xm/s3m if you got 'em # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Are we KW fans, or not? Date: 10 Apr 1997 20:31:36 +0200 (DFT) > But, to deny KW their rightful place in Musical History alongside these > other Pioneers is downright criminal. [...] > Only R & F have the MagiK Formula! So why don't you tell us about Kraftwerk's pioneering deeds which justify to list them in the same line with Stockhausen and Cage? Maybe it would help if you would be a little bit more concrete than simply stating that they "have the magic formula"... ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) KW on SW radio Date: 10 Apr 1997 20:43:28 +0200 Hello folks!=20 =20 As mentioned before , there was a Kraftwerk special on Swedish=20 radio today, all together for about 15 minutes. Excerpts from The=20 Model, =20 The Robots and Computer World were played...nothing new really.=20 =20 They interviewed a guy, who said that one could summerise Kraftwerk=20 in two words...intelligence and feeling, since their music is=20 mathematical=20 and logical but with a feeling, and that these two words could be=20 replaced =20 by two other words, namely man and machine...=20 =20 I've got it all recorded, but it is not very interesting unless you're a=20 KW radio broadcast collecter or something...=20 =20 / Mats =20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Winner Subject: Re: (kw) Are we KW fans, or not? Date: 10 Apr 1997 02:59:05 -0500 I have just 2 words on this topic: RAYMOND SCOTT! -Jeff Winner THE RAYMOND SCOTT WEB ARCHIVE: http://users.aol.com/DevilDrums # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Are we KW fans, or not? Date: 10 Apr 1997 23:43:36 +0200 > Suffice it to say that Tangerine Dream, Can, and Faust, usw, existed > before KRAFTWERK, and they ALL made great contributions to Modern > MusiK, as did Cage, Stockhausen & Carlos in their own right. But, to > deny KW their rightful place in Musical History alongside these other > Pioneers is downright criminal. Kraftwerk are pretty much elligible to be put alongside Tangerine Dream, Can, Faust, etc. Not really with Stockhausen, Cage, and so on, though. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) KW + History of E-MusiK (fwd) Date: 10 Apr 1997 23:35:00 +0200 gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com wrote: > On the other hand there is something that makes Kraftwerk unique > in a sense that they did DO things that weren't done that way before. > I agree that it's not one of the above mentioned items but it's their > way of varying the spectral harmonics of the sounds they used to build > their songs, rhythms, etc. It's their way of combining simple > compositions and rhythms with complex harmonic variations. > E.g. remember the record "Radio-activity", the song, I believe, is > called "Antenna" when they sing: "You're the antenna catching > vibration ..."? > After this sentence one note is played which is full of quickly > varying and rich harmonics. You're talking about filters, a common component in synthesizers. I can accept that Kraftwerk did use the hardware in a very special way that in the end turned out as a completely new style of music. But the usage of this kind of synth component is not new... Although Kraftwerk, as I said earlier, may have succeeded in giving it prominence, that is, they brought to the forefront of pop music quite basic electronic sounds. > So my point is: What's one note? But what a sound it produces! Can > anybody recall some artists or bands using this kind of sounds in > previous musical pieces? Perhaps there are some, but within a larger > scope I think that they were indeed trendsetters for future > synthesizer programming and usage within popular music. Composers Scelsi and Varese spring to mind. Their music was indeed quite ahead of their time (although Varese would disagree with this statement :-) and had a few characteristics that would only be visible a few decades later. For instance, Varese has compositions where ordinary instruments play notes in a way that most resembles notes played backwards on tape--and tape recorders weren't invented or widely used at the time. The majority of Scelsi's work is termed 'Spectral Music' because it is composed with regard to the spectral components of sounds. Needless to say that at the time there was hardly any spectrum analyzer or even electronic measurement devices. Best! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Knee Subject: (kw) KW Pioneers Date: 10 Apr 1997 23:46:31 +0100 Hi All, I'm currently reading the 'unofficial' KW biog. and it sheds an awful lot of light on the genius of R and F. I'm not KW blinded in the sense that I listen to an awful lot of other music, but their minimalist approach is so subtle. I'm a musician and so know what I'm talking about. Their place in musical history is, I'm afraid, assured. Not 'cos they invented new structures or stuff that no one has heard, but because of their whole musical ethos with the man and machine thing. They didn't invent the synthesizer or use it first, but if we were to compare the number of bands who have been successful that have been influenced by KW and those by Stockhausen, then I think KW would win hands down. 'That's not the point' I hear you say, but in terms of influencing and shaping popular music and culture, KW has had far more influence than any of the avant-garde composers mentioned. I've said my bit. Bye all! Steve@cloudbass.demon.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) re: KW Pioneers Date: 10 Apr 1997 18:35:30 -0700 Thank you, Steve Knee! Perhaps if Klaus -(and Paulo and any other = non-believers out there)- would READ some of the Articles in his KW = Library, he'd see the point. They created a whole new Genre of MusiK. = I'm no Engineer- you said it way better than I could. I don't expect = anyone else to LOVE/WORSHIP/ADORE KW like I do, but, PLEASE give credit = where credit is due. I like ALL kinds of MusiK, btw. But, KW is Truly = Unique. CASE CLOSED. ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) KW Pioneers Date: 11 Apr 1997 02:40:26 +0200 Steve Knee wrote: > (...) but if we were to compare the number of bands who have been > successful that have been influenced by KW and those by Stockhausen, > then I think KW would win hands down. 'That's not the point' I hear > you say, but in terms of influencing and shaping popular music and > culture, KW has had far more influence than any of the0 avant-garde > composers mentioned. Precisely. I never contested who did influence the most in popular music and culture, my point was precisely that Kraftwerk did influence popular music and culture, but definitely not 'the whole of electronic music culture.' But, I'd also mention that Ralf acknowledges the influence of Stockhausen, so where does that lead us? Regards. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Re: Pop music vs. folk music Date: 11 Apr 1997 02:40:46 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > As a native German speaker I would like to second Emanuel Mair. > "Volksmusik" does indeed translate to "folk music" rather than to "pop > music", which is an entirely different genre, at least here in > Germany. This is perhaps a question of terminology, but here are the words of used by Ralf Huetter himself: "[The objective of Kraftwerk] is to create an 'Elektronischevolksmusik,' an 'Industriellevolksmusik,' Volk as in Volkswagen (people), not Folk: A popular electronic music, a daily electronic music." (Keyboards 51, Jan-92) -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: Re: (kw) re: KW Pioneers Date: 10 Apr 1997 03:43:40 +0600 Robbie Robot, Everyone on this list likes kraftwerk, otherwise they wouldn't be on the list. Everyone knows that Kraftwerk influenced many musicians. It's just that alot of times people (myself included, most likely) put kw on a pedestal higher than they deserve. The people on this list who say those things don't mean them in disrespect to kraftwerk, but as a reminder to the people (me, for one) that Kraftwerk didn't invent their style of music, but only perfected it, and innovated somewhat (perhaps by popifying it). Anyway, I might suggest that you may be have a bit of blind faith towards kw's influence, but their music is still PHENOMENAL!! Nothing can change that, and nothing ever will. So, just try to have an open mind. I did, and learned about an interesting composer of whom I've never heard of until this debate. I leave you with a nonsensical quote from George Clinton: "Free your mind and your ass will follow" Emmett # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Re: KW Pioneers Date: 11 Apr 1997 05:45:17 +0200 ROBOT wrote: > Thank you, Steve Knee! Perhaps if Klaus -(and Paulo and any other > non-believers out there)- would READ some of the Articles in his KW > Library, he'd see the point. That was uncalled for. Non-believer? Do you think you're the best, all-encompassing KW-fan? I am an avid reader of Kraftwerk articles. Maybe YOU should read a few books on music before passing judgment on subjects that you seem to be ignorant of. If Steve Knee claims that being a musician entitles him to know what he is talking about (I thought everyone should do it, not only musicians), I would like to add that I am a composer, besides being a theoretical physicist, and so I know what I am talking about too. > CASE CLOSED. I did not intended to start a flame-war in the first place. I thought I was conveying valuable information by pointing out some inaccuracies on a rather innocent post. But if someone else extrapolates and turns this whole issue into a fundamentalist discussion, don't expect me to turn away quietly. You have no authority to end this subject and so, if this thread bothers you, you'll always have the delete key on your keyboard. Yours. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Electronic music studies Date: 10 Apr 1997 23:52:01 EDT I recently took a workshop in electronic music. Kraftwerk wasn't mentioned (too pop-oriented), but they did mention Brian Eno because of his pioneering and inventing ambient music. After all, he did invent a new musical idiom. Kraftwerk influenced everyone pop-oriented, but that doesn't make them any less significant, though. You might find them in a course on pop-oriented music, but not serious electronic music, naah mean? >>> The majority of Scelsi's work is termed 'Spectral Music' because it is composed with regard to the spectral components of sounds. Needless to say that at the time there was hardly any spectrum analyzer or even electronic measurement devices. <<< I just discovered Scelsi's music--it's absolutely incredible! I bought Scelsi's album "Okanagon" for a friend of mine, and he was stunned! There was a retrospective of his music in NYC, and all of the major papers covered the concerts. BTW, don't you think it's rather weird that KW uses the most ordinary equipment? I mean a DX-7???? You'd think they'd use the most esoteric, left-field machines ever! What's the 411, y'all? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: KW Pioneers Date: 10 Apr 1997 23:26:42 -0700 Since I've been publicly hurt, I must publically defend myself. I will NOT engage in "Flame Wars"- especially not on the list. But, = Paulo & Klaus have caused hurt feelings, not me! "Non-believer" was an = obvious tongue in cheek wisecrack, not intended to offend, unlike = Paulo's intentional mean-spirited response. "Ignorant"? THAT's uncalled = for! I clearly said that I don't expect anyone else to feel as strongly = -(about KW)- as I do. I have never claimed to be "better" than anyone = else. -(In fact, if "Being the 'BEST' Fan" means having money to spend = on Collector's Items and such, then I'm about the poorest. I treasure = the few goodies I have most dearly- and I'm STILL waiting to get my = Albums back from Harvard!)- I honestly think KW are the BEST at what = they do. If you guys want to persecute me for that, fine. Just don't do = it on the list. As for my statement about Klause's articles- HE was saying "why don't = you list their accomplishments?" when he's got a whole batch of Articles = FULL of info. I can't say anything about KW that hasn't already been = written. Others have conversed with me privately, saying they not only agree with = me, but, they are TOO Hurt/Angry to post anything on the matter to the = list. They're glad I spoke up.=20 -(R. Daneel Olivaw's response was less hurtful, but, it needn't have = been publicized on the list.)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daniel Nilsson Subject: Re: (kw) KW on SW radio Date: 11 Apr 1997 08:39:52 +0100 >Hello folks! > >As mentioned before , there was a Kraftwerk special on Swedish >radio today, all together for about 15 minutes. Excerpts from The >Model, >The Robots and Computer World were played...nothing new really. The radio guy who talked a little about their history mentioned that a new album was scheduled for 1998. Thought EMI already set up a date for June '97?! Anyone heard more about this? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: (kw) Pioneers, E-musiK etc. Date: 11 Apr 1997 10:16:15 +0300 Hello, I'm late in this thread but it started to interest me somewhat so here's my 2 bits worth of rambling: Steve Knee wrote: >Their place in musical history is, I'm afraid, assured. Not 'cos they >invented new structures or stuff that no one has heard, but because of >their whole musical ethos with the man and machine thing. That's right. I see Kraftwerk as a whole as a conceptual work of art. I mean, not just the music but the whole man-machine concept, image, album covers, interviews, secrecy etc. It's really one big work of art and one that we all happen to love, right? Pretty influential, too! Of course there are many other important works of art that we may or may not like and there's really no point trying to guess who has the biggest influence in music (pop, electronic, whatever), art in general, human culture(s) etc. Adam Schefflan wrote: > > I recently took a workshop in electronic music. Kraftwerk wasn't > mentioned (too pop-oriented), but they did mention Brian Eno because of > his pioneering and inventing ambient music. After all, he did invent a > new musical idiom. In my view Eno has a similar status as does Kraftwerk (that is: VERY HIGH). > I just discovered Scelsi's music--it's absolutely incredible! I bought > Scelsi's album "Okanagon" for a friend of mine, and he was stunned! I once heard a wonderful Scelsi record but I don't know what's the name of the piece. It contained very intriguing micotonalities. I bought a Scelsi CD (with pieces Aion, Pfhat, Konx-Om-Phax) which was good but not the piece I had heard. Maybe it's Okanagon? Can someone give me a hint? Speaking of microtonalities, someone mentioned W. Carlos. Has anyone heard 'Beauty In the Beast' ? It's GREAT! Not at all that Bach-with-a-Moog stuff. It's all done in different micotonal scales and sounds really fresh (and also quite oriental, plenty of gamelan influences). Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: (kw) Re: kw EMI rumor Date: 11 Apr 1997 09:41:58 +0200 Mailed this privately, but was actually meant for tha list :) Sorry! >>At 12:47 10-04-97 -0400, you wrote: >>>Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:24:04 +0200 (DFT) >>>From: Klaus Zaepke >>>Subject: (kw) Rumour >>> >>>I haven't read it myself, but the April issue of the German magazine >>>New Life seems to contain a brief note which states that EMI has turned >>>down the new Kraftwerk material due to lack of quality and/or commercial >>>potency in favor of a "Best Of" compilation. >>> >> >>Lack of Quality? Since when does EMI says that a Kraftwerk Record is NOT >>OKAY???!??! Sounds like sacrilege! Better stay a rumour, this... >Johan, I'm with you on this one!!! Any man (woman) with nothing GOOD to say >about Kraftwerk should be banned from the PLANET! > >-John > > > -- God is a subwoofer, and he listen to drum & bass. Turn up thy religion! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Magnus Finbom Subject: (kw) KW on Swedish Radio Date: 11 Apr 1997 09:39:27 +0200 (MDT) NOOOOO!!!!!! Mabye it wasn't a nice show. But i missed it!!!!!! Worked late, sat down in front of the tv. At 21.00 it struck me... I'm not Worthy. /Half machine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Pioneers Date: 11 Apr 1997 10:26:44 +0000 > From: ROBOT > Perhaps if Klaus would READ some of the Articles in his KW Library, > As for my statement about Klause's articles- HE was saying "why > don't you list their accomplishments?" when he's got a whole batch > of Articles FULL of info. Be assured that I have read all the articles in my "library", but, unlike you, I seem to be aware that most of these articles originate from more or less juvenile pop gazettes, who may be fun to read, but whose praises shouldn't be taken litterally. If we would blindly trust such magazines, even Phil Collins would be a groundbreaking pioneer! If you study serious literature about electronic music, you will notice that Kraftwerk are very often not even mentioned. > PLEASE give credit where credit is due. Kraftwerk have their merits, but to list them alongside Cage and Stockhausen as pioneers of electronic music is honestly a bit strong. It would be as silly as to list Johann Strauss (one of the most popular/influential pop musicians of the 19th century) alongside Beethoven, Berlioz or Wagner. > CASE CLOSED. I doubt that you have the authority to close cases on this list. > But, Paulo & Klaus have caused hurt feelings, not me! I don't think that anyone can be blamed for causing hurt feelings with statements like "Kraftwerk shouldn't be credited alongside Cage and Stockhausen". If you are hurt by such a statement, I suppose that the problem is on your side. > Others have conversed with me privately, saying they not only agree > with me, but, they are TOO Hurt/Angry to post anything on the matter > to the list. Too sad! It might have been much more constructive if they had mailed to the list and let us all know their arguments! > -(R. Daneel Olivaw's response was less hurtful, but, it needn't have > been publicized on the list.) Why not? I found it very reasonable and constructive. > From: Steve Knee > > They didn't invent the synthesizer or use it first, but if we were > to compare the number of bands who have been successful that have > been influenced by KW and those by Stockhausen, then I think KW > would win hands down. 'That's not the point' I hear you say, but in > terms of influencing and shaping popular music and culture, KW has > had far more influence than any of the avant-garde composers > mentioned. Probably yes, but my point is (and I repeat myself): Does a high influence in certain (not all) musical genres makes somebody a pioneer? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) music files Date: 11 Apr 1997 10:39:13 +0200 > Please upload any you have. > If you have .au/.mp3/.wav of non-standard release recordings, then those are > welcome. > Tiger > kraftwerk muzic files @ ftp://206.109.108.194/kraft/ > send mod/xm/s3m if you got 'em Good idea. Especially if later you can get some rare tracks in .mp3 format. Meanwhile you can pay a visit to my Kraftwerk XM/MOD page which is now on-line again: http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/kw.html Tim. -- Timour JGENTI ____|_____________________________ ____________ | timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ______ | | http://home.pages.de/~interspace/ | | | http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) Common Y'all Date: 11 Apr 1997 09:47:20 +-100 What is happening on this list at the moment? I am sure that if some of these conversations continue between certain = members, should they meet at Tribal Gathering there will be a massive = punch up!! Are we all thinking too much about what really matters = here,..........the music. True, some of you out there obviously have = strong academic and professional skills when it comes to the origins of = music and how it has developed throughout history. But that's all well = and good to those who are interested, some of us think it's a load of = bollocks, as, what reached out and grabbed us, was the feeling and power = behind the music when we first heard it. In the early eighties, I was doing alot of robotic dancing for = exhibitions, shows, clubs etc., and most of the music which fitted my = set was Kraftwerk's. Their music was part of that era, you had to be = there to fully appreciate it. =20 I agree that there are other types of electronic music which is more = pioneering than Kraftwerk, I have thousands of records in my collection, = and have probably got such music which quantifies this. A good example = would be an LP called Electronic Music for Dance, by Bulent Ariel. I = cannot remember how old this record is, but listening to it, it makes = you wonder what type of dance you could actually do to it!! But it is = produced using all electronic instruments, and it's pre Kraftwerk. Lets all be positive from now on and not get each other worked up about = silly little intricacies, when all that matters is what puts that tingle = down your spine and puts in an almost trance-like state. Best Regards, (It's more fun to compute than to dispute!!!!!!!) Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cameron James Bonde Date: 11 Apr 1997 19:33:39 +1000 (EST) Hello, I just joined so here`s a bit about me as requested I`m Cameron Bonde from Australia (TAS). I love writing electronic music (Much more than listening, except Kraftwerk of course). I have had songs played on national radio here (It was great considering the station plays almost nothing but low quality grunge songs!) and have a CD (well ok a couple of songs on a compilation, but i`m working on it). I wouldn`t like to call my music Techno, because most techno is very shallow and uninspiring, which is why I love Kraftwerk/Jarre/Orbital etc. I own a KURZWEIL K2000, Yamaha SY85, Roland TR808 and a Roland JX3P. I`ve noticed real Kraftwerk fans are genuinly into them for the right reasons, as you need something extra to get past the non-flashyness of the music and into the originality and talent they have. Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) KW-pioneers/history of e-music etc. Date: 11 Apr 1997 11:37:27 MET KW is POP-ART nothing more and nothing less. Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Pioneers Date: 11 Apr 1997 02:45:55 -0700 Why must you add insult to injury? Stop flaming me! Look, we all KNOW Stockhausen & Cage were earlier than KW. We all KNOW = that KW took their influnce from many sources- as your many Articles = will tell you. -(Surely not ALL of them are "juvenile" in content.)- If = you take 100 people with a broad appreciation for music in general, = -(but they're not familiar with KRAFTWERK or Stockhausen per se)-, sit = them in a soundroom, play some Stockhausen, then play some KRAFTWERK, = say an early tune like Rucksack, or better yet, Autobahn. Then ask each = person to "vote" for which music they found more pleasing. I doubt = they'd choose S over KW. As Otso pointed out, -(and I'm sure I mentioned it earlier)-, KW is not = only about MusiK/SOUND. It's the whole MAN.MACHINE "Package" deal! And, = yes, we KNOW they got a lot of their Ideas from early Futurism & = Bauhaus, and Metropolis & other SCI-FI. But, they put it together so = Superbly! One can not deny KW's creative input and influence on so many = Artists today. Call it Industrial, Ambient -(early KW)-, call it = pre-Disco -(*ARGH*)- call it SynthPop or TECHNO or House/Hip-Hop. = -("But, the term I prefer even, is ROBOT-POP." Ralf Hutter.)- They may = not have been the very first to play totally Electronic MusiK, but, they = sparked a variety of styles withIN the Electronic Genre. Now, will you PLEASE stop insulting me? I am NOT "Blind", nor am I = "Closed-Minded". ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Goodman" Date: 11 Apr 1997 10:52:00 +0100 Arguing that Cage etc are incomperable to Kraftwerk because they are on an altogether higher plane is a very reactionary stand-point. Pop music is not neccessarily made with any less thought or intellingence than 'serious' music. The one thing that certainly differentiates them is poularity. Is that in itself a criticism? Art is not better than the rest of our culture but a constituent part of it. And I dont care which if you is the best at being a Kraftwerk fan. Trainspotters are the best railway fans after all. Jerry. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Common Y'all Date: 11 Apr 1997 03:06:50 -0700 Well said, Craig! -(Ever heard of "The Electronic Ecclectics of Dick = Hyman"? How 'bout Tandy & Morgan?)- Sure, there's lots of = good/interesting stuff out there. But, only KW totally *TAKES* me, and = it really hurts me deeply to be downright insulted/attacked by Fellow = Fans. It's okay to disagree, but, it's NOT okay to hurt people's = feelings. Yes, I wish my "silent friends" WOULD speak up. On a lighter note: Hey, KooL! I did ROBOT/Mannequin gigs, too, starting = back in '77, and I didn't find KW until Apr.'78. It was Destiny!*sigh*! "The Sex Object", eh? -(one of your earlier sign-offs)- Okay-y-y.... = whatever. I'll leave that one alone. :] Guten Nacht! ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: (kw) "the Pioneer discussion" Date: 11 Apr 1997 12:36:28 +0200 What is happening on this list at the moment? Hey, don't stop this.=20 I've been lurking on this list for about six months now. I have only = posted two or three messages, mostly because I didn't find the = discussions on this list very interesting (except, of course, for all = the information and disinformation about the expected new KW-release). I don't know who started it, but I really appreciate the "quality raise" = on the discussion the last few days. Let's keep it on this level. But I think that even this "improved discussion" has lost its tracks. I = think the parties are discussing different things. I think that by now, = we all agree to that Kraftwerk wasn't very important to, or pioneering = in, electronic composition, but that they were, and indeed are, very = important to modern pop-music in all it's forms, and also to modern = pop-culture. It's difficult to imagine todays pop-scene without there = beeing a Kraftwerk to influence it, but it's perfectly possible to think = of contemporary electronic composers without them. This doesn't make KW "less worth", you can't be an inventor in all = fields. And popular culture is, even if it has low-status to some = people, influencing the lifes of very many people. But we have to remember that even the popular music-scene has a lot of = important actors, of which KW is only one of them. This is good. I like = KW very much, I regard them as my favourite band, but I wouldn't like a = world where there were only KW-clones in my local CD-shop. OK, I think that was what I had on my mind. Let's keep discussion this = without becoming enemies. And let's try to avoid beeing to much like = "juvenile pop gazettes", even though this can be fun also. Sometimes. (It's more fun to compute than to dispute!!!!!!!) Aren't e-mail discussions the perfect combination? ;-) /Conny Fornb=E4ck (See you in Luton) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus Fjellström Subject: Re: (kw) Pioneers, E-musiK etc. Date: 11 Apr 1997 12:31:08 +0100 > That's right. I see Kraftwerk as a whole as a conceptual work of art. I > mean, not just the music but the whole man-machine concept, image, album > covers, interviews, secrecy etc. It's really one big work of art and one > that we all happen to love, right? Pretty influential, too! Exactly! I mean - I don't really fancy the melodies or the harmonies in Kraftwerk THAT musch, though Kraftwerk as a concept is a GREAT piece of art. Don't get me wrong - I DO like their music too, but I think that Kraftwerk has one of the most engenious images ever. > Adam Schefflan wrote: > > > > I recently took a workshop in electronic music. Kraftwerk wasn't > > mentioned (too pop-oriented), but they did mention Brian Eno because of > > his pioneering and inventing ambient music. After all, he did invent a > > new musical idiom. Electronic music as in 60's tapemachine/oscillator music? At the music academy I'm studying they have quite a bunch of that old weird "music" on LP. If Kraftwerk is too pop-oriented and Eno's just mentioned once, what kind of music DID they relate too? Is the tapesplicer alive still in the 90's, or is recent electronic music something totally new and exciting that bypassed me (all recent e-music I can think of has pretty strong roots in KW/Eno).? /Love, Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus Fjellström Subject: Re: (kw) KW-pioneers/history of e-music etc. Date: 11 Apr 1997 12:34:32 +0100 > KW is POP-ART nothing more and nothing less. Fair enough! There's a lot Warhol of (even Lichtenstein) feeling to Kraftwerk's image... Although "nothing more"..? Sheesh. /Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus Fjellström Subject: (kw) Pioneering and all that Date: 11 Apr 1997 12:42:10 +0100 Now this discussion is interesting. Have any of you heard about a Swedish bloke called Ralph Lundsten (I THINK that's his name) doing very melodic and enjoyable electronic music, from the 60's and still going? It wasn't just frequencies and noises, but real "musical" compositions performed on synthesizers (some home-built such as the andromeda synth) and tapemachines? /Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F.J.Meijer@stud.frw.ruu.nl" Date: 11 Apr 1997 15:17:26 +0200 "Well said, Craig! -(Ever heard of "The Electronic Ecclectics of Dick Hyman"? How 'bout Tandy & Morgan?)- Sure, there's lots of good/interesting stuff out there. But, only KW totally *TAKES* me, and it really hurts me deeply to be downright insulted/attacked by Fellow Fans. It's okay to disagree, but, it's NOT okay to hurt people's feelings. Yes, I wish my "silent friends" WOULD speak up." I have read the discussions but I really do not have the feeling that anybody was "insulted". People just told how THEY think about it, and when people cannot cope with this, than they have a problem I guess. They just think differently, okay? One of man's basic rights, or not? Frank Meijer Van Hoornekade 189 3554 AV Utrecht 030-2436435 F.J.Meijer@stud.frw.ruu.nl Frank ontdekt de mogelijkheid tot een signature. Ok, tekst! "All I know for sure is knowing doesn't mean so much, when placed against the feeling when bodies meet and fingers touch" Sisters of Mercy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Schneider Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #59 Date: 11 Apr 1997 13:44:15 GMT Hi, can I just say that if there is anyone who wants the MOJO Kw article and I haven't sent it, please e-mail me. I took a few days off to go on holiday, and our server seems to have lost some messages. Sorry about this! regards, jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) The pioneers and the mailinglist Date: 11 Apr 1997 15:50:45 +0100 Hi! I just picked a msg typical of this thread out of the bunch to reply to... On 11-Apr-97 A.D., Craig Land carved the following runes about "(kw) Common Y'all": >What is happening on this list at the moment? Discussion: n. Verbal exchange of ideas | a written or spoken orderly treatment of any subject | argument | something I for one would like to see here much more often, at least when it is KW-related. BTW, I think this would happen if a "reply-to" header was set pointing to the ML. It isn't all that often that one's replies are of a personal nature... >Lets all be positive from now on and not get each other worked up about >silly little intricacies, when all that matters is what puts that tingle >down your spine and puts in an almost trance-like state. I suppose most of us have experienced the symptoms you mention, and that's why we're KW-fans and are on this ML in the first place :) The present discussion however doesn't deal with who's a fan and who's not. People are talking about the degree of influence KW have exerted on contemporary (pop-)music and their possible pioneering efforts in different fields. At least that WAS the subject... Anyway it's a welcome break from the usual Aphex Twin/lost records/"KW-lOVe doLLs"/"I liKe their MuziK *tHIs* mUch"/et c.-stuff. To add my contribution, I'd agree with some of the previous statements that KW has indeed been one of the greatest influences of modern popular electronic music (notice the past tense...), and that they were pioneering in certain fields like their conceptual eurocentric (thanks Tim Stotts!), electro-poppish, enigmatic, apolitical, blah, blah, et c. composing and appearance. Techno and other atrocities would probably torment us today even if KW never existed, but that kind of muzak most certainly would have been quite a few years behind in, errr..., development compared to today. >(It's more fun to compute than to dispute!!!!!!!) Depends on the computer and the disputer ;) Gerade aus! -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Scelsi Date: 11 Apr 1997 14:33:14 +0200 Otso Pakarinen wrote: > I once heard a wonderful Scelsi record but I don't know what's the > name of the piece. It contained very intriguing micotonalities. I > bought a Scelsi CD (with pieces Aion, Pfhat, Konx-Om-Phax) which was > good but not the piece I had heard. Maybe it's Okanagon? Can someone > give me a hint? Was the piece orchestral, with choir, or was it for ensemble or solo instrument? The most famous piece (actually it is a set of four pieces) are the "Quatro Pezzi per Orchestra" or "Four Pieces for Orchestra." Each is written for a single note, and are perhaps the pieces with most evident microtonality effects. These pieces are available on a CD of the same label (Accord) and collection than the CD you refer above. Other pieces on this CD are "Anahit," for solo violin and orchestra, and "Uaxuctum," for orchestra, choir and ondes martenot. Regards. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Pioneers, E-Music Date: 11 Apr 1997 15:29:20 +0200 Jerry Goodman wrote: > Arguing that Cage etc are incomperable to Kraftwerk because they are=20 > on an altogether higher plane is a very reactionary stand-point. Pop=20 > music is not neccessarily made with any less thought or intellingence=20 > than 'serious' music. Ah, but "serious music" does care for higher preoccupations than just making audiences happy and giving them what they want. For one, 20th century avant-garde and progeny may be considered as "research," in the way that it shows listeners new ways of understanding their act of listening. It is almost always based on philosophical questions about perception. I doubt pop music leads its life in deep thinking--although I grant that there may be pop artists that are on the fringe of popularity and that endow their music with this kind of preoccupations. > The one thing that certainly differentiates them is popularity. Is=20 > that in itself a criticism?=20 It may be, because if an artist presents a piece of music in search for popularity, he may be betraying his own sense of artistry. If all music=20 in the world would be made out for popularity reasons, it would=20 stagnate. We needn't go too far to find an example: the rumour of EMI turning=20 down the latest KW creations is a symptom of the illness of a commercially-driven music business. Artists feel themselves the=20 pressure to abide by the rules of the industry. Now avant-garde, living almost exclusively in an academic medium has not these problems, and yes, I'd say it is a more honest kind of music because it is free of the=20 need to appeal. ROBOT wrote: > If you take 100 people with a broad appreciation for music in general,=20 > -(but they're not familiar with KRAFTWERK or Stockhausen per se)-, sit=20 > them in a soundroom, play some Stockhausen, then play some KRAFTWERK,=20 > say an early tune like Rucksack, or better yet, Autobahn. Then ask=20 > each person to "vote" for which music they found more pleasing. I=20 > doubt they'd choose S over KW. Which is your conception of "broad appreciation for music in general"? If it is liking pop and mainstream genres, I agree with you that these=20 people would prefer Kraftwerk. But if you turn to a more educated audience, don't be so certain. More books and (serious) articles have been written on Stockhausen and=20 electronic avant-garde than for all pop artists taken together. Marcus Fjellstr=F6m wrote: > (...) It wasn't just frequencies and noises, but real "musical"=20 > compositions performed on synthesizers (some home-built such as the=20 > andromeda synth) and tapemachines? Define "real musical compositions" :-) > Electronic music as in 60's tapemachine/oscillator music? At the music > academy I'm studying they have quite a bunch of that old weird "music" > on LP. If Kraftwerk is too pop-oriented and Eno's just mentioned once, > what kind of music DID they relate too? They relate to electronic music of the 60's, 70's and 80's, that is, tape and oscillator music, synthesis techniques (too many to name here), computer music, spatialization, theatre, and so on. > Is the tapesplicer alive still in the 90's, or is recent electronic=20 > music something totally new and exciting that bypassed me (all recent=20 > e-music I can think of has pretty strong roots in KW/Eno).? The tapesplicer is alive at least in concept. As when you study any=20 other subjects, you have to fully understand the past. Nowadays, the electronic music of the 60's has evolved to a more broader sense, and tape-splicing is still there, although it is now commonly known as "cut & paste" ;-). The phenomenon of academic e-music being largely unknown is one of the troubles of the commercial pressure of the music business, as I said=20 above. Otso Pakarinen wrote: > Steve Knee wrote: > >Their place in musical history is, I'm afraid, assured. Not 'cos they > >invented new structures or stuff that no one has heard, but because=20 > >of their whole musical ethos with the man and machine thing. > > That's right. I see Kraftwerk as a whole as a conceptual work of art.=20 > I mean, not just the music but the whole man-machine concept, image,=20 > album covers, interviews, secrecy etc. It's really one big work of art=20 > and one that we all happen to love, right? Pretty influential, too! Ditto. It reminds of a very very ancient thread about a year and a half ago... "Kraftwerk is the global art..." sorry Klaus! "KW is the total concept."=20 :-) :-) :-) Best! --=20 __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) About the thread [was Re: KW Pioneers] Date: 11 Apr 1997 14:23:43 +0200 ROBOT wrote: > Since I've been publicly hurt, I must publically defend myself. I would like to know (since this is a reply to my previous message) when and how did I hurt you. And if I did, I hereby present my apologies, but I think you should have read carefully all my recent posts, which present my praise of Kraftwerk, although it is not an all-consuming praise. Except for my last post, I never criticized anyone in particular; I only did it on that message in response to YOUR appraisal of Klaus' ideas and my own. > As for my statement about Klause's articles- HE was saying "why don't > you list their accomplishments?" when he's got a whole batch of > Articles FULL of info. I can't say anything about KW that hasn't > already been written. There are surely many more articles and books on Stockhausen that people should read before passing judgment. That's what I intended to say. I have never said you were ignorant; only that you were speaking about subjects you seem ignorant of. That's quite different. > Others have conversed with me privately, saying they not only agree > with me, but, they are TOO Hurt/Angry to post anything on the matter > to the list. They're glad I spoke up. I second Klaus here. The only reason I kept much of this discussion public was precisely to give other listmembers the chance to participate in the discussion. > -(R. Daneel Olivaw's response was less hurtful, but, it needn't have > been publicized on the list.)- I think he was correct in publicizing it. First and foremost, Daneel was the author of the statement that originated my first comment which in turn generated this thread. And curiously, he took my appreciation of his post with much more comprehension than most. Yours. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Weustink Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Page Date: 11 Apr 1997 16:26:46 +0200 Hello, I`m new to the list. But I have a Kraftwerk page already. yes yes Its at http://www.xs4all.nl/~bwe/ or at http://www.page4life.nl/webwe/index.htm (slow at the moment) Ive used a few images from other Kraftwerk pages to which I`ve linked to in return.I hope the owners of these pages are satisfied with this and that we dont have to have a problem. Please install a mod plugin from http://www.castlex.com/modplug first. Did anyone else notice the robot pop in the video clip of Rhythem is a Dancer by Snap.... Or did my eyes fool me? By any means check out this realaudiolink http://wmnf.org/kraftwerk.ram from http://wmnf.org/ra.htm Thanks, Bob Weustink bwe@dds.nl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) KW-pioneers/history of e-music etc. Date: 11 Apr 1997 10:32:28 -0400 >> KW is POP-ART nothing more and nothing less. >Fair enough! There's a lot Warhol of (even Lichtenstein) feeling to >Kraftwerk's image... Although "nothing more"..? Sheesh. Well, I may as well get my money's worth out of this discussion, flame-retardant of course! :) My two cents: I think that when dealing with the nature of a band or artist being revolutionary or pioneering, we are dealing in subjective territory. There are no easy mathematical formulas which can determine the status of a band as being "pioneering" or "revolutionary", and if there was such a formula, I imagine this argument would have been over by now (maybe - hehe). In any event, I think personal aesthetics play a particularly large role in this debate, and whether or not an artist is revolutionary or pioneering in some way is ultimately subject to those who listen to them. There are no absolutes in this realm, and it cannot accurately be said whose contributions are more groundbreaking, nor should it. I can certainly see nothing wrong with people having several favorites (for instance, at the moment I can't seem to pick a favorite KW album, so I'll have to settle for all of them - hehe). It seems pointless to debate who initiated or founded some musical genre, because we'll simply never know. Ralf once made a statement that sums up this idea nicely: "When we read that Herbie Hancock was the first to use a vocoder, we laughed, because in Germany we had been doing that for seven or eight years." What we do know for certain is that Kraftwerk contributed something to the ever-expanding face of electronic music as we know it. The exact degree of their contribution cannot be set in concrete, for that is a quality to be judged aesthetically by all of us. I acknowledge the significance of Stockhausen, Cage, Can, Tangerine Dream, etc., and I would not deny them their rightful place of attaining that acknowledgement. Simultaneously, my own personal aesthetic intricacies enable Kraftwerk to be the most significant and revolutionary of all the aforementioned to me. For others on the list, that aesthetic may draw them to Stockhausen, to Jarre, to Michael Bolton or whoever for that matter. :) Opinions are what makes the world go round. So, to say that "KW is POP-ART nothing more and nothing less" clearly does not hold true for me. It may hold true for some, and that's absolutely fine. To me they are much more, perhaps indescribably so, and their contributions have been more revolutionary and significant to me personally than any other artists I have heard to date. Just one man's opinion. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Your book...it's shit." - KW to Pascal Bussy. (we needed a lighter note here!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genepool@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Live Shows? Date: 11 Apr 1997 10:39:17 -0400 (EDT) I was off the list for a small time and have heard about the Tribal show in the UK. There seemed to be some rumours floating about other countries as well. What is the latest? Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) KW is a genius concept Date: 11 Apr 1997 16:55:39 MET when i wrote "KW is POP-ART nothing more and nothing less" i meant of course it's a genius overall concept in which every little piece fits, has its place and of course has its meaning. for me KW is not only the music, it's an art concept which has been build around the music and were every little aspect (from cover design to live-perfomances) is important for the overall "thing" KW. of course you can only listen to the music but i think you wouldn't really contribute to KW then. claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) Lighten Up Dudes! Date: 11 Apr 1997 16:17:02 +-100 Why, Oh why do people on this list get so worked up whenever I say = anything? My previous mail (Comon' Y'all) was to try and give some focus to the = current topic of conversation on the list, not to try and stop rational = and constructive debates, as it seems to have got off track somewhat. But just to spell-it-out to those of you who are so wrapped up in the = theory of Kraftwerk and their music, if you have comments to make, make = sure that they are factual, not personal attacks on other list users. = The motto should be to, "Play the ball, not the man" (football = terminology). If you feel you have more academic knowledge of musical, = or other issues relating to Kraftwerk than other list users, don't try = and be-little them, or patronize either. Less snobbery, more = fellowship. Regarding the matter of modern Techno music being bland and not to = everyone's liking, then I suggest you listen more carefully to 'proper' = Techno. Not your usual radio play tunes, check out the more underground = tracks. Group's like Biosphere or compilations like True Techno:Detroit = People. I got the limited box set of LP's on vinyl, but you can easily = obtain the CD. I myself love Kraftwerk, but lets face it, they are behind the times, = things have changed and they have not given us any reason to believe = they have kept up. Change is an important thing, if you do not have the = headroom for it, then in this day and age you are history. In the = modern business world you can ask yourself, why do people very often get = fired from their jobs, because they do not have the headroom for change = within the organisation. Modern Techno music is part of that change, you may like it, you may = not. But it is moving forward all the time. There are particular types = of Techno I like, but there are others which I think is trash. You = decide for yourself............................. See you at Tribal. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Ahem! Date: 11 Apr 1997 17:27:39 +0000 I'm sorry for this non-Kraftwerk-related topic, but I have to clarify something: "ROBOT" wrote: > Why must you add insult to injury? Stop flaming me! [...] > Now, will you PLEASE stop insulting me? I am NOT "Blind", nor am I > "Closed-Minded". As I was Cc'ed I conclude that she meant me personally. As everybody who followed the thread can easily cofirm, I have never used the words "blind" or "closed-minded", neither am I aware that I have insulted her in any other way (unless she regards my different opinion as an insult). I would like to ask the list administrator to handle this message as a complaint about the behaviour of list member "ROBOT" . Thank you for your attention, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Barrett Subject: Re: (kw) Pioneers, E-musiK etc. Date: 11 Apr 1997 07:49:04 -0700 At 10:16 AM 4/11/97 +0300, otso@vpower.pp.fi wrote: >Speaking of microtonalities, someone mentioned W. Carlos. Has anyone >heard 'Beauty In the Beast' ? It's GREAT! Not at all that >Bach-with-a-Moog stuff. It's all done in different micotonal scales and >sounds really fresh (and also quite oriental, plenty of gamelan >influences). Not to get too far astray, but another interesting Carlos piece is her collaboration with "Weird Al" Yankovic in his re-make of "Peter and the Wolf." On the flip-side (of the cassette version) is an interesting collection called "Carnival of the Animals, Part 2." I haven't heard the original version of this one, but the humorous sequel by Carlos & Yankovic is pretty funny. Anyway, back to 'Werk... -----------------Justin Barrett----------------- Owner: Dreamscape Productions Production Assistant: Northland Cable Television # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Philipp Schmidt" Subject: (kw) Wendy Carlos live Date: 11 Apr 1997 10:44:31 -0500 You missed nothing, In case some of you heard about the first (!!!) Wendy/ Walter Carlos live-concert ever and could not go, you missed nothing. During a show called "Bach at the Beacon (Theater in New York))" Wendy was definitley the weakest of the performers. She played with a group of 7 musicians (called something like the Kurzweil Bach Ensemble .. ) and the result sounded like Rondo Veneziano playing Bach. (cheesy, cheesy, cheesy ...) It was awful, especially if you regard Bach's beautiful structures as somewhat familiar to Kraftwerks' great compositions. (Now don't flame me on this .... I just like Bach a lot, too) The worst thing though was Wendy's desire for attention. She talked more than she played, trying to be witty, funny and interesting, but was nothing but pathetic. Disappointed, Philipp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Barrett Subject: Re: (kw) music files Date: 11 Apr 1997 06:59:36 -0700 At 12:28 PM 4/10/97 -0500, Tiger Moses wrote: >I am starting a little collection of Kraftwerk MOD/S3M/XM type Kraftwerk music. >The ones I have are aewsome mixes of Kraftwerk pieces. One of these days I'll finish a multi-mix I started quite a while ago that is a combination of 3 specific tunes by Kraftwerk, C&C Music Factory, and Art of Noise. I plan to call it "Factory ArtWerk"...if I ever get the time to get back to it, that is... -----------------Justin Barrett----------------- Owner: Dreamscape Productions Production Assistant: Northland Cable Television # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Philipp Schmidt" Subject: (kw) Pioneers ??? Date: 11 Apr 1997 10:44:07 -0500 Sorry for joining the discussion very late, but I' d like to add some points: I agree with the so-calles 'non-believers' (now don't jump on me, please) that Kraftwerk's music was not that revolutionary or groundbreaking in terms of harmonies or new rythmic concepts, but I believe Kraftwerks importance on electronic music comes from a different approach. To me it seems like Kraftwerk were the first who combined Volksmusik (however you want to translate that) and Electronica. That was groundbreaking. Of course they did not go into the depth of 'serious' electronic music, but they did exactly the opposite of mostly everybody else, which I believe is usually regarded as pioneering (if that is an english word ;-) ) and which would justify an important place in music history. They were pioneers of home-recording, which might sound like a nice soundeffect, but is essential to the whole development of Techno, House, D&B etc.... It's actually socialism (grin)> put the means of production into the hand of the people. I don't want to start the flame(s) again and after all we love the music. (don't we ????) Philipp. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Barrett Subject: Re: (kw) KW on SW radio Date: 11 Apr 1997 07:33:17 -0700 At 08:43 PM 4/10/97 +0200, you wrote: >As mentioned before , there was a Kraftwerk special on Swedish >radio today, all together for about 15 minutes. Excerpts from The >Model, The Robots and Computer World were played...nothing new really. Speaking of radio specials, I've got one that's about an hour long that I've been meaning to mention. A few years back, I used to tape a late-night Canadian radio show called "Brave New Waves," and each night they would take a portion of their lengthy broadcast to profile a musical group. Luck would have it that they profiled Kraftwerk one evening (or morning, depending on how you look at it). Unfortunately they weren't able to get any first-hand sound bytes from KW, but they quoted them a number of times as they ran through the group's history and played a few tunes. About the length, I'm *assuming* it's an hour long. That's about the normal length of the Brave New Waves profiles, but it's been so long since I've listened to the tape that I can't recall if my recording cut it short. (I'll double-check the length and post a follow-up message shortly...) Either way, I'd be willing to make dubs for anyone interested, or written transcriptions if you don't want a tape. If you want either one, please send me e-mail with "KW Request" in the subject line. The body of the message can be written any way you want to describe which item you'd prefer. I'll have my e-mail client filter all these to a separate mailbox. -----------------Justin Barrett----------------- Owner: Dreamscape Productions Production Assistant: Northland Cable Television # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Goodman" Subject: Re: (kw) Ahem! Date: 11 Apr 1997 17:36:34 +0100 Ahem indeed ---------- > From: Klaus Zaepke > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > I would like to ask the list administrator to handle this message as a > complaint about the behaviour of list member "ROBOT" > . Oh would you now? You need to fill out form No.17347/b, in triplicate. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Objectivity in music Date: 11 Apr 1997 19:07:37 +0000 > I think that when dealing with the nature of a band or artist being revolutionary or pioneering, we > are dealing in subjective territory. There are no easy mathematical > formulas which can determine the status of a band as being "pioneering" or > "revolutionary", and if there was such a formula, I imagine this argument > would have been over by now (maybe - hehe). In any event, I think personal > aesthetics play a particularly large role in this debate, and whether or not > an artist is revolutionary or pioneering in some way is ultimately subject > to those who listen to them. There are no absolutes in this realm, and it > cannot accurately be said whose contributions are more groundbreaking, nor > should it. I agree that there are no easy mathematical formulas to measure the quality of music. However, I do think that objective criterions exist. If we take your point to the extreme, it would mean that the music produced by a caveman beating a stick against a stone could have the same quality as a Beethoven symphony. Or, to say it with the words of Ralf Huetter: "C majeur from Mozart is not the same as C majeur from Howard Carpendale." :-) (Quoted from Spex 4/1987). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Cage and Kraftwerk Date: 11 Apr 1997 19:07:37 +0000 > Arguing that Cage etc are incomperable to Kraftwerk because they are on an > altogether higher plane is a very reactionary stand-point. Pop music is not > neccessarily made with any less thought or intellingence than 'serious' > music. I don't think that anyone here said that Cage is on an *altogether* higher plane than Kraftwerk. However, I still think that his music was more pioneering than Kraftwerk's. This is an objective statement (well, up to a certain extent, of course), which may be either true or false, but it can be verified by studying various contemporary scores. But I agree that his status as a pioneer does not *automatically* mean that his music is more "valuable" than Kraftwerk's. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Ahem! Date: 11 Apr 1997 13:37:56 -0400 (EDT) gees, klaus. lighten up. though you may have never called anyone names, i think you've amply expressed your opinions here. you may be more suited to a discussion group about cage or stockhausen. you've spent alot of time here trying to convince us that kraftwerk is nothing more than a mere 'pop' band. well, you're entitled to that belief, but why would you want to join this list in the first place if that were true? if kraftwerk only 'amuses' you, then why not join a list where you can discuss something that you're more passionate about? does that seem reasonable?? i thought so. thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Objectivity in music Date: 11 Apr 1997 13:37:25 -0400 >I agree that there are no easy mathematical formulas to measure the quality >of music. However, I do think that objective criterions exist. If we take your >point to the extreme, it would mean that the music produced by a caveman >beating a stick against a stone could have the same quality as a Beethoven >symphony. Certainly both pieces would have merits of their own, to be interpreted at will by the listener. And yes, there would inevitably be some people out there who would find that their listening preference lies with the caveman's work. As far as my own opinion goes, I'd have to hear the caveman's piece first and then let you know. Quality is negotiable and always subject to interpretation. :) -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) EMI still fuels the confusion Date: 11 Apr 1997 20:10:16 +0000 > the rumour of EMI turning down the latest KW creations A friend of mine phoned EMI Electrola and asked them if the current press reports are true. He got the response that *all* the press reports were false, that EMI had no information at all about any new Kraftwerk material, and that there would be definitely no Kraftwerk release before autumn. Unfortunately, he missed to ask why they continue to announce a new Kraftwerk album for June on their WWW pages... ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) great discussion Date: 11 Apr 1997 20:33:05 MET i just want to say that i really enjoy the discussion going on here at the moment. because it brings this mailing list back to life after several boring months ! claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) List Membership Date: 11 Apr 1997 20:35:20 +0000 > though you may have never called anyone names, i think you've amply > expressed your opinions here. A strange comparison. So it entitles somebody to connect me with quotes I've never made and to blame me for insults, only because I have "amply expressed my opinion"? > you may be more suited to a discussion group about cage or stockhausen. > you've spent alot of time here trying to convince us that kraftwerk is nothing > more than a mere 'pop' band. well, you're entitled to that belief, but why > would you want to join this list in the first place if that were > true? Do I understand you right that you think I'm wrong on this list because I have doubted that Kraftwerk are the reincarnation of the Messiah? If you disagree with me, why don't you try to convince me to your point of view instead of suggesting other lists for me? Is this list reserved for "believers"? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Leidecker Subject: Re: (kw) Pioneers, E-Music Date: 11 Apr 1997 11:50:48 -0700 An amazing history of pioneers who somehow developed electronic sound into music is indeed getting stomped all over by the frustratingly focused enthusiasm of all those Aphex fans, let alone rabid Kraftwerk monotheists. Depressing to see a band like Orbital cleaning up with studied copies of Kraftwerk records that many record stores don't even bother to stock. Tiring to see bands like Prodigy get famous. And it's only going to get worse. At 10:44 AM 4/11/97 -0500, "Philipp Schmidt" wrote: > >To me it seems like Kraftwerk were the first who combined Volksmusik >(however you want to translate that) and Electronica. That was >groundbreaking. Yeah, that was EVERYTHING. Previous to Kraftwerk, most of the work in distinctively electronic music was academic work uninterested in the ancient song form. Stockhausen pretty much was the first one to make a breakthrough from serialism to a purely _electronic_ music, with both content and structure rising from the technology -- a truly unprecedented new form of expression. But as far as he's concerned, a 4/4 beat, major key melody, all these things people still enjoy are absolutely backwards pursuits, not worth the time of anyone serious about making music. (The recent interview in the Wire with his reactions and advice to techno auteurs like Aphex, if you haven't read it, is just amazing reading --> http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jkandell/music/stock/ks_inter.html ) Since then it became increasingly evident to apply these discoveries to simpler and more accessible forms, finding ways to use electronics in more recognizably 'musical' forms. Ussachevsky, Subotnick are two sixties favorites of mine who were unafraid to use melody and rhythm, respectively, to construct some pieces that were very unlike anything that'd come before. Electronics also slowly made their way into pop music, but initially as novelties, or in a heavily ironic context. I'm thinking all those moog records, covering old favorites, a cartoon mirror of pop history up to that point. (And on Wendy Carlos, who's unfortunate Bach record forever ruined most abilities people to take her seriously... it's a crime how little known her best original work is, _Sonic Seasonings_, the complete score for _Clockwork Orange_, _Beauty and the Beast_, all out of print, buy on sight. It's really depressing watching her doing what she has to to make money.) Kraftwerk were pretty much the first to accept the machines at face value, completely embracing their potential for distinctly, inherently electronic pop music. Even their German contemporaries had slightly other aims; either they weren't merely doing 'pop' (Ash Ra, Amon Duul 1/2, Guru Guru, Neu! liked to jam and drone, Faust's severe collage approach) or they weren't purely dedicated to strict electronic sound (all of them bar Kraftwerk, basically, with the NOTABLE exception of Cluster, and '74s 'Zuckerzeit' is their only album that could really be mistaken for 'pop'). So being the first group to learn how to make inherently electronic and completely unironic pop music is a pretty major acheivement. The whole world's getting used to living within technology, (uncritically) deriving pleasure and enjoyment from the machines we've built. And way ahead of everyone else, Kraftwerk began making the first folk music that reflected these new ways of feeling. The earnest approach is KEY. After their perfect musical portrait of the pleasure of Driving Your Car, they never looked back, acheiving pictures of the increasingly mechanized world and the HUMAN PLEASURES available to those living in them; Global Communication, Global Transportation, Man-Machine, the Personal Computer. I've thot a whooooole bunch about this sooper band. They're just so nifty. Being the first to get it right on such a mass level sure counts for a lot in my book. And their records just make more and more sense all the time. The last two full records suffer greatly. They sure knew their analog but they seem to be having a very tough time with Digital. The folk cultures of other countries had caught up and pounced on sampling and the DX-7 first, and Kraftwerk just didn't seem to know how to add to it. I think Digital is one step too far, completely inhuman, and I'm not surprised they're having problems in making a convincing case for the pleasures to be had in it. 'Electric Cafe' hinted at Internet living, but 'Phone Call' and 'Sex Object'?? Radical and unsuccessful diversions from the core of the work. The Mix' showed more success with Digital sounds, but it's still klutzy for today's scene and when it comes down to it, not one track really improves upon their past. Pleasure's getting harder to come by as technological living is taking over. As things go 100% digital, we'll all be even more susceptible to lots of neuroses. So it's not too surprising that few groups have achieved that weird sort of innocent transcendence -- it's more and more about tension, criticism, self-absorption, alienation. And so the music is more about Nine Inch Nails. It's harder to be Kraftwerk maybe because it's getting harder to enjoy the machines as purely as they did. But those records are amazingly powerful illustrations of what aspects of machine living are there to be enjoyed, and they're pretty valuable creations for that fact alone. To me. I am right there with the manic enthusiasm displayed on this list for that achievement. Also irked at music history getting passed over like that, but I think that's just me getting old. >The phenomenon of academic e-music being largely unknown is one of the >troubles of the commercial pressure of the music business, as I said >above. Yeah. So everyone on this list maybe owes it to themselves to dig in deep. I was tempted to name drop even more than I did but I'm sure I was annoying enough already (I'm avoiding my bad job). Kraftwerk really is just the tip of a pretty amazing iceberg. But it's no accident that they're the band most people have learned about first when getting into this genre. jl, san francisco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Tha ill muzik Date: 11 Apr 1997 14:50:12 EDT >>> ...Call it SynthPop or TECHNO or House/Hip-Hop. <<< House and hip-hop are TWO DIFFERENT GENRES! Hip-hop came from the Bronx, and it's characterized by beats and rhymes. House came from Chicago, and it's characterized by the pounding 4/4 beat, repetitive hook, and, sometimes, soulful vocals. Hip house is a dead genre from the late '80s that combined house and hip-hop! YA BETTER RECOGNIZE THA REAL, KNOWHUTIMSAYIN'? I don't mean to offend anyone, but real heads get nauseous when you mention house and hip-hop as being the same thing! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) re:"Ahem" Date: 11 Apr 1997 12:14:59 -0700 Klaus Zaepke wrote: >I would like to ask the list administrator to handle this message as a = complaint >about the behavior of list member "ROBOT". Now If THAT's not a personal attack, what IS? Having different opinions is no insult. But, when people -(ANYone!)- get = on the list and brag about how educated they are and act like their = opinion is more "valid" than -(mine or)- anyone else's, that IS hurtful. = -(It was Paulo Mouat who said I was "blind" and "ignorant", not Klaus. I = put that at the end of a paragraph- sorry about the confusion. Paulo = claims he didn't mean it that way, and he has apologized.)- When I = expressed that I was hurt, I was further attacked. I ask it to stop, and = STILL I'm attacked. Oh- when I said "CASE CLOSED", I certainly didn't mean it the way it was = taken. I used a common expression to save words. -(How about, "I rest my = case"? That would have been better-understood.)- I simply meant that = we've ALL made our points/arguments. Nothing anyone says is going to = change another person's opinions/feelings about KW/Pioneers. So, why = can't we just "agree to disagree" and leave it at that? I'm not saying = we shouldn't discuss things, but, we have to respect each other's = feelings. As KW Fans, can we PLEASE be FRIENDS, not ENEMIES?? ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Pilgrim Subject: Re: (kw) KW + History of E-MusiK (fwd) Date: 11 Apr 1997 16:26:33 -0700 > gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com wrote: > > After this sentence one note is played which is full of quickly > > varying and rich harmonics. This sound is typically the result of a process called VCF FM. It is a very unique yet simple sound to construct. It is very easy to do using certain synthesizers yet impossible to do on others. I would guess that they used a minimoog for that sound however a modular could easily do it as well (A Roland Juno 106 or sh-101 could not...a JP-6 comes close but not as rich.) (btw I have created mods to an SH-101 that can do this if anyone is interested) I have a moog Prodigy that I modified so that I could get a similar effect. Basically the sound is created by sending the output of an oscillator through a low pass filter. You then take the output from another oscillator (playing the same note but different timber) and use this to modulate the cutoff frequency of the filter. By increasing the amount of resonance, the severity and "metalic" timber can be altered....as well by playing with the decay time of the filter, the long interesting tail of the sound can be changed. The amount of OSC applied to the VCF is also an important factor. Philip -- Philip Pilgrim The Lab Audio Works 5 Evan's Drive - Analog/Digital Recording/Processing Hammonds Plains - Acoustic Analysis and Consulting Nova Scotia, Canada - Analog Synth Modification and Repair B4B 1M8 - Computer/Synth Interfacing - Hardware/Software Development Home Phone +1.902.835.7844 Work Phone +1.902.868.2400 Home: pilgrim@atcon.com Work: ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) On "blindness" and "ignorance" Date: 11 Apr 1997 23:25:49 +0200 ROBOT wrote: > But, when people -(ANYone!)- get on the list and brag about how > educated they are and act like their opinion is more "valid" than > -(mine or)- anyone else's, that IS hurtful. -(It was Paulo Mouat who > said I was "blind" and "ignorant", not Klaus. I put that at the end of > a paragraph- sorry about the confusion. Paulo claims he didn't mean it > that way, and he has apologized.) Let it be clear that I apologized if my answers were a bit curt and objective, and that perhaps I may have hurt ROBOT's feelings without willing to do so. Since english is not my native language, I upheld the benefit of the doubt, and apologized in advance. But I find it hardly acceptable that my posts, perfectly in accord with the tone of a discussion and very diplomatic in essence, may be misunderstood as direct accusations (that is, targeted to someone in specific) particularly if the opinions stated are controversial or are not "politically correct" on a medium where monotheist allegiance seems to be in order. I reproduce the statements I posted ROBOT or the list to ascertain that it is understood generally that this whole issue is an overreaction on the part of ROBOT. On "blindness" (my post to ROBOT): "It is true that Kraftwerk are a seminal electronic band, but we shouldn't blow their role out of proportion, lest we become blind to everything else. I like Kraftwerk A LOT, but I recognize that there are others that most assuredly have contributed more relevantly to the music of mankind." On "ignorance" (my post to ROBOT): "I am an avid reader of Kraftwerk articles. Maybe YOU should read a few books on music before passing judgment on subjects that you seem to be ignorant of." I dislike being termed a "bragger of how well educated I am and how my opinion is more valid than others." Anyway, I concede that ROBOT has reacted passionately about a subject that is most dear to her and furthermore I can understand and forgive. But I can't forgive a misreading of my posts and a deliberate weaving of blame toward me. Especially when ROBOT condones the valuable musician-point-of-view that Steve Knee presented and speaks of bragging when I state my occupation (which influences my point of view as much) just to level things up. If I were to apply the same misreading to ROBOT's comments on this thread, I'd say that "I hate people who brag of how well they understand Kraftwerk and how much more valid they think their opinion is, in detriment of a few hundred years of music culture!" Now you haven't seen me doing this. I tried to be as argumentative I could, presenting factual information and drawing my own conclusions. If people disagree, they're free to present their case, I never called anyone a "non-believer" in Stockhausen. If people disagree, it'd be interesting to know why--I may change my mind if the reasons are good enough. This is not a personal attack and I'm sorry if it is seen as such. This is a reaction to a pretty much double-faced behaviour. Despite the war generated from my original thread, I never blamed anyone else for my own reactions, nor have I accused anyone of personal attack for every line of text that expressed dislike for Stockhausen. So much for this meta-discussion. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 11 Apr 1997 18:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Oh jeez, folks. I can certainly see the point about Stockhausen and Cage being more "innovative" musically, than Kraftwerk.....obviously - Kraftwerk generally uses typical notes and oftentimes very simplistic synthesizer settings....ie the PW modulated pulse waves that can easily be called up in seconds on any analog synth capable of it. The thing that really does it for me that I can not find in ANY other music that I have ever ever ever listened to - and I doubt that this constitutes some academic sort of innovation - is the fact that the music is ice cold. I listen to other "robotic" synth music, along with Stockhausen, Cage, Varese etc etc etc...and I still feel a human being behind it. This is not "bad" or anything....But I don't even like the fact that Kraftwerk is associated with any dance "scene." I don't know what to call Kraftwerk - all I know is that the icy cold is it's strong point for me. Perhaps it's not innovative to feel strongly connected to the concept of Kraftwerk. Oh well. Of course a simple 4/4 drum pattern is not "innovative" and simple 3-note melodies are not "innovative" - But I know of NO ONE else that can do them as ice cold. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Future808@aol.com Subject: (kw) Stuck in the US? Mixmag....... Date: 11 Apr 1997 20:34:23 -0400 (EDT) I just found a great mag today. It's called Mixmag (got it at Barnes and Noble) and is kind of along the line of Future Music magazine (another great one). Anyway, inside there is an advert for Tribal Gathering with our gods KW listed. At least you can look at the pretty picture and imagine what it would be like. I've missed alot the messages on this list of late - has anyone commented on a recording of this Event being available? Thanks all... Nat (who just got Showroom Dummies on CD today...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J P M Subject: Re: (kw) All this fighting is crap ! Date: 11 Apr 1997 19:57:00 +0000 This is crazy ,all this name calling on the K-werk list. If you have a problem with someone, mail them directly . Mail bomb them if you can't confront them (or don't have the ball's to) directly , ANYTHING , besides cluttering this list WITH THIS CRAP. If you want to respond to me about this letter please do so DIRECTLY to me and NOT to the list. Sorry for wasting list time....... -- Jason The Pygmy Taxi Corp http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J P M Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk (Stockhausen) Date: 11 Apr 1997 20:09:53 +0000 While on the subject of Stockhausen..... Kraftwerk in ther younger years were known to go to Stockhausen concerts "on ACID" .......I have a few friends who are friends with Stockhausen and they have often said to me Stockhausen is brilliant "LIVE" but very bad in most recordings . If you would like to know wich recordings are "good"(ie Electronic). This is a short list: Hymnen Telemusik; Mixtur Mikrophonie I&II Kontakte Gesang der Junglinge These are the most listenable ...kinda of like Radio Activity. You will see the Stockhausen influence on this album. -- Jason The Pygmy Taxi Corp http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/ Vocod'o'rama http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/VOCODER/vocolist.html Frames Version http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocoder_frames.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Popular vs. "serious" music Date: 12 Apr 1997 00:54:10 EDT I think that what confuses people is the use of the term "electronic music." Historically, this meant classical, non-pop-oriented music, but today the term is being used for pop-oriented music. I was talking to someone about electronic music, and he thought I meant techno, so he started dropping names like The Prodigy and Orbital. I was talking about musique concrete and electro-acoustic music. I think there needs to be a change in the lexicon, such as pop-oriented electronic music, as the boundaries between pop-oriented electronic idioms amalgamate and evolve. Some people have been using the term "electronica" when referring to electronic music in the pop-music spectrum, and I think that this is a good term to distance classical-oriented music from the popular variety, naah mean? What do y'all think? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas D. Kent" Subject: (kw) About the thread [was Re: KW Pioneers] Date: 12 Apr 1997 02:33:47 +0000 > There are surely many more articles and books on Stockhausen that > people should read before passing judgment. That's what I intended to > say. Now I must impart some criticism here. The reason IMHO why there are so many is twofold. And it's not necessarily something to be all positive about. (though I'm a firm beliver in "more information is never a bad thing") 1) "academic music" is often used backhandedly because it requires reading and formal study to appreciate. So this material at times is essential because some of his and the music of others is near inpenatrable without written documentation. I mean I don't think it's anything to be proud of that a piece of music is inpenetratable unless studied. And I firmly believe that a good chunk of Stockhausen's (and other's) contains very little that is assimilatable (or enjoyable for "music's sake") without reading explanations and or seeing a score. I suspect one of a number of positives about Scelesi's music is that it does not require an explanation. 2) analytical writings are generated in academia not only because they further the study and the art but because they are funded by academia and encouraged by it. Sort of reflexive in a way. Kraftwerk are not part of academia and while writing about their music is enlightening, it's not essential for it's understanding. Now I'm not talking about every piece of Stockhausen. Some pieces stand very well not being eigenmusik (spelling? music for the eyes). Also I'm not saying because there is a lot written about someone it makes them bad (or good) His case (and a number of his contemporaries) is senstive because the music simply is extremely difficult to appreciate without study materials other than just listening to the piece. IMHO I find this aspect a bit hypocritical. Some people in Europe may no be aware that in the U.S., while Cage is one of the major figures this century from the *art* perspective, in elite music circles he is shunned. He has the reputation of being anti-academic (sometimes called the Uptown/Downtown debate) and not serious music. I partially remember the contreversal New York Times obituary for Cage in 1992. The writer seemed to be jumping about trying to avoid calling him an important music composer (trying not to offend those who don't consider him a real composer at all.) Anyway that was the impression I got. I guess it's all the context. nicholas kent (faculty of a major U.S. art college) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Enjoying music for "music's sake" Date: 12 Apr 1997 14:01:14 +0200 Nicholas D. Kent wrote: > I firmly believe that a good chunk of Stockhausen's (and other's) > contains very little that is assimilatable (or enjoyable for "music's > sake") without reading explanations and or seeing a score. This is perhaps one of those concepts better left unexplained, but "enjoying music for music's sake" is altogether subjective and deeply rooted in our daily musical experience. I mean, from the very start, our ears get attuned for a certain kind of musical discourse (by this I mean a tonal kind of music with certain regular characteristics of rhythm and so on). Anything mildly different from this usual music is surely bound to cause apprehension. But is it really a bad thing that this music has very little that is assimilatable? Or, to put in other words, is it really difficult to assimilate? Is this not a trick of your ears and your brain? There are two quotes that refer this with particular insight: "People get scared when we present them a picture of a landscape where the sky isn't blue and the grass isn't green." (Webern) "How would it affect the sensitivity of a child if that child would be subjected to nothing more than twelve-tone music throughout her infanthood?" (Glenn Gould) > His case (and a number of his contemporaries) is senstive because the > music simply is extremely difficult to appreciate without study > materials other than just listening to the piece. IMHO I find this > aspect a bit hypocritical. Why is it hypocritical? Is music supposed to be understood in an easy manner? Why can't it propose a challenge to the listener? Another appropriate quote: "The true criterion of the validity of a particular music is the quantity of intelligence carried by the sounds." (Xenakis) Best! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Stockhausen works Date: 12 Apr 1997 13:35:32 +0200 J P M wrote: > I have a few friends who are friends with Stockhausen and they have > often said to me Stockhausen is brilliant "LIVE" but very bad in most > recordings. I have seen him live and I have a few CD's of his work. I don't agree with recorded works being altogether bad. Since we're talking about electro-acoustic music, it is common to appreciate more a live concert, since it is different in sensation than a recording--a recording is in a way more demanding because you lack the visual cues (in this case, mostly inferred by audio projection) and ambience of the auditorium. > If you would like to know wich recordings are "good"(ie Electronic). > This is a short list: > Hymnen > Telemusik; Mixtur > Mikrophonie I&II > Kontakte > Gesang der Junglinge > > These are the most listenable ...kinda of like Radio Activity. You > will see the Stockhausen influence on this album. Some of these are not strictly electronic--they're more exactly termed as electro-acoustic. For instance, Hymnen is a collage of national anthems and electronic sounds, and the Mikrophonies are better termed as live-electronic, meaning live processing by electronic means of acoustic sounds. If any of you is curious enough to hear any of the mentioned works, if you don't know them already, I guess it may be a little hard at first :-) because the music is definitely demanding. In addition, there are a couple of other works as interesting as any of the above: Kurzwellen, Studie I, Studie II. Also, there are two versions of Kontakte, the original version being for electronic sounds on tape, piano and percussion, while the other consists of only the tape part. Regards. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: resin@tuna.net Subject: (kw) sillyness Date: 12 Apr 1997 10:09:49 -0500 hey yall my post #1 i have to admit- i have been having a good laugh at what i have read recently on the kraftwerk mail list. talk about snooty. i liked the comment about KW being the pioneers of rocking the home studio.(while wearing suits) some gossip: i know some one who worked at the studio in new york where the boys mixed electric cafe- she said that one member of the group put (offensive symbol) stickers all over the outboard gear as a joke.. and got sent home to dusseldorf in response. im not naming names!! i hope im not out of line with this low brow message, but i dont realy care obout offending know it all academic/art types. later resin. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "neil lawrence" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 12 Apr 1997 18:08:42 +0100 Hank on a minute - Neon Lights is "ice cold"? That darn tune brings tears to my eyes. Lawrence ---------- > From: ManMachn2@aol.com > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk > Date: 11 April 1997 23:15 > The thing that really does it for me that I can > not find in ANY other music that I have ever ever ever listened to - and I > doubt that this constitutes some academic sort of innovation - is the fact > that the music is ice cold. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Re: Pop music vs. folk music Date: 12 Apr 1997 19:39:35 +0000 > > "Volksmusik" does indeed translate to "folk music" rather than to > > "pop music", which is an entirely different genre, at least here in > > Germany. > > This is perhaps a question of terminology, but here are the words of used > by Ralf Huetter himself: > "[The objective of Kraftwerk] is to create an 'Elektronischevolksmusik,' > an 'Industriellevolksmusik,' Volk as in Volkswagen (people), not > Folk: A popular electronic music, a daily electronic music." > (Keyboards 51, Jan-92) Ah! Ralf Huetter seemed to be a little bit inaccurate with his translation. He was apparently referring to "volkstuemliche Musik" (= "popular music"), which is not quite the same as "Volksmusik" (="folk music"). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Time Pie" Date: 12 Apr 1997 19:39:36 +0000 It seems that Yamo's debut album has finally appeared. From the ESPRIT Mailorder mailing list: > YAMO Time Pie (German CD album feat Wolfgang Flue, digipak p/s) UK > 16.99 / $ 26.00 This digipak version was announced to be limited, there should be also a "normal" version available. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LitaUSA@aol.com Subject: (kw) Here's to Fiery Debate! Date: 12 Apr 1997 13:54:16 -0400 (EDT) >i just want to say that i really enjoy the discussion going on here at the moment. because it brings this mailing list back to life after several boring months !< Here here! Discussion is good. Heated debate is even better. It is clear everyone on this appreciates Kraftwerk on SOME level (academic or otherwise). Nonetheless, I don't think I'd want to bother with a list that consisted of nothing but giddy praise, however much I enjoy the subject matter. Cheers!! -Lita # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: (kw) Discussions, discussions... Date: 12 Apr 1997 20:06:59 +0200 OKay, Statik enters tha discussion here (after waiting 15 mins. for getting 55 mails with nuttin' but harrasing 'bout who is the greatest KW fan -- you all look like a bunch o' kids, the lot of you!) Anywayz, whats this discussion really about, hmm? IMHO you should not say "this band makes that kind of music", every good band have a unique sound, and with that, its own definition of "music". There's Kraftwerk, there's Stockhausen, and there are bands like Orbital and the Prodigy. The whole idea is, as you might have guessed, pick what you like and disregard the rest. This creates an open mind for different kind of bands and there's no need for endless and totally unneeded discussions like the one(s) going on on this list. Personnally, i'm going to listen to some Drum & Bass. I'd try that if i were you (itz going to be the pop-music of the future, just like Kraftwerk once was.) Respect, Johan. -- God is a subwoofer, and he listen to drum & bass. Turn up thy religion! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daneel Olivaw Subject: (kw) Keep the discussion on a friendly level. Date: 12 Apr 1997 18:18:49 +0600 Hi, I'm just writing to all of the people on this list who are arguing about the roots of elctronica/kraftwerk/etc thread that I helped start. I intended for it to start discussion on the other early electronica and so we all could exchange whatever information we have about the early stuff. Paul Moulat wrote me (and the list) back and I wrote him back privately, because I thought some of the things that were being said weren't appropriate for the list. He thought they were, which is fine, because it's not like they were completely off-topic, and I'm sorta glad he did, now. But some people thought that the things being said were blasphemous, or whatever, and the others thought that those people were blindly kraftwerk fans, I guess. The thing is: remember that you ARE on a kraftwerk list, and if you're not going to treat kraftwerk with at least some respect then you don't belong here. But, also remember that the music world doesn't revolve around kraftwerk, and to learn more about other types of early electronica is to learn more about kraftwerk. Most importantly, however, is to remember that we are all people who (assumedly) like the same band, and that a certain courtesy should be extended. Please, keep it friendly, folks. Flame wars aren't fun. Emmett "The Instigator" Pepper epepper@vt.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 12 Apr 1997 15:16:55 -0400 >Hank on a minute - Neon Lights is "ice cold"? That darn tune brings tears >to my eyes. :) I'll second that sentiment. I personally find Kraftwerk's pre-'Electric Cafe' catalog to radiate a certain warmth to it. Tracks like "Neon Lights", "Spacelab", "Europe Endless", and various others sound particularly warm, fuzzy, and full of feeling. I suppose this can be attributed by and large to their analog nature, for the advent of digital technology brought along with it a good deal of "cold" timbres and mechanization, as evidenced on recordings like 'Electric Cafe' and 'The Mix' (which are still wonderfully accomplished albums in their own right!). Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "ananas symphonie...ananas symphonie..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Discussions, discussions... Date: 12 Apr 1997 20:28:14 +0200 > Personnally, i'm going to listen to some Drum & Bass. I'd try that if > i were you Personally, I'm going to listen to some Integral Serialism. I'd try that if I were you. :-) Best! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 12 Apr 1997 15:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Actually - I think that the older stuff is colder than the digital stuff, musically.....The Mix is like a burning hot dance number.....there is so much going on in the mix. It's cold in the fact that it's pretty thin, soundwise... But simple things like Europe Endless - yes I agree there is a quality of warmth to it - but the thing that does it for me with KW is that it's mostly neutral.....perhpas ice cold is not the best description. The thing I mean is - every other band or music I've heard seems to have to put some sort of "side" or "issue" into the music - even bands that try to be "synthetic" or "robotic..." It's hard to explain.....I guess I can come close by saying that most bands sing "about things" while KW seem to be the thing itself. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Tha ill muzik Date: 12 Apr 1997 03:03:37 +0100 On 11-Apr-97 A.D., Adam Schefflan carved the following runes about "(kw) Tha ill muzik": >>>> ...Call it SynthPop or TECHNO or House/Hip-Hop. <<< >House and hip-hop are TWO DIFFERENT GENRES! Hip-hop came from the Bronx, >and it's characterized by beats and rhymes. House came from Chicago, and >it's characterized by the pounding 4/4 beat, repetitive hook, and, >sometimes, soulful vocals. Hip house is a dead genre from the late '80s >that combined house and hip-hop! YA BETTER RECOGNIZE THA REAL, >KNOWHUTIMSAYIN'? I don't mean to offend anyone, but real heads get >nauseous when you mention house and hip-hop as being the same thing! >Peace. then again I get nauseous when someone mentions hiphop&house.......balr but its gfriday waHT 3am and im drujnk did i p0ost this?????????????++ sorryj lost carrier Cu -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Date: 12 Apr 1997 02:13:10 -0400 >.But I don't even like the fact >that Kraftwerk is associated with any dance "scene." I don't know what to >call Kraftwerk - all I know is that the icy cold is it's strong point for me. Hy, good to hear someone experiences the music of KW same as me. When I was about 9 or so, I first heard Radioactivity, of course I did not get the concept of the music, but I got a very deep impression about their music. Deep enough, so it maintained until today and influenced a lot of my musical predilections. I wish I could hear music today, with the emotions of the child I was back then. I always had the impression of "eskimo" and big white arctic areas, when I listened to their music, especially Radioactivity. When looking for similar experiences nowadays, to me it's listening to Future Sound of London, Alec Empire or Biosphere; they tend to drop a straight beat and let the sound flow... No need for drugs, just music. c u Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re:(kw) Ahem! Date: 12 Apr 1997 07:30:55 -0400 Unfair. Complaint about what Klaus ? Somebody trying to defend themselves against your opinions?? I've nothing against heated discussion, but to turn all 'formal' is not on. I, and I'm sure others may agree, don't believe ROBOT has done anything outside list rules. Lighten up. Jules. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? Date: 12 Apr 1997 15:09:48 -0400 Hi everybody. Out of interest, does anyone have a list of artists who have taken samples from kw?? I know it must be a hefty list, but somebody must have attempted it. Jules. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fermin Goiriz Date: 12 Apr 1997 19:27:55 +0200 Hello, My name is Fermin Goiriz, I come from Spain and I am 19. I am interested in this Kraftwerk mailing list because I am a huge fan of them. I've heard that there is a bootleg CD called "Werke" which contains "Tour de France". Does anybody knows how to get this CD? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Ahem! Date: 12 Apr 1997 14:24:07 -0600 (MDT) > I would like to ask the list administrator to handle this message as a > complaint about the behaviour of list member "ROBOT" . Take care what weapons you choose to wield against others, Klaus -- you may find them turned against you. This list isn't "reserved for 'believers'", but it *is* reserved for people who are capable of treating other members of the list with some level of respect. In going back over the last couple of days worth of discussion, I've seen a number of postings from you and Paolo that struck me as unnecessarily insulting. Please keep this kind of message in private email in the future. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fermin Goiriz Subject: (kw) What kinda music do you like? Date: 12 Apr 1997 23:40:33 +0200 email: j021850503@abonados.cplus.es I would like to take the discussions to the question "What kinda music does the Kraftwerker listen to?" because, you know, I am new here and I want to meet people! Personally I'm now in Ninja Tune, Mo'Wax, y'know, trip-hop or something, and in jungle/drumnbass. I found it more interesting than the techno/house scene (although I love Leftfield). I don't listen to any modern pop band except things like My Bloody Valentine and so on. Of course I HATE Autechre. And... I like the Beach Boys, The Smiths, Henry Mancini, the 007 soundtracks, Morricone... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fermin Goiriz Subject: (kw) What kinda music do you like? Date: 12 Apr 1997 23:51:03 +0200 email: j021850503@abonados.cplus.es I would like to take the discussions to the question "What kinda music does the Kraftwerker listen to?" because, you know, I am new here and I want to meet people! Personally I'm now in Ninja Tune, Mo'Wax, y'know, trip-hop or something, and in jungle/drumnbass. I found it more interesting than the techno/house scene (although I love Leftfield). I don't listen to any modern pop band except things like My Bloody Valentine and so on. Of course I HATE Autechre. And... I like the Beach Boys, The Smiths, Henry Mancini, the 007 soundtracks, Morricone... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) sillyness Date: 12 Apr 1997 23:00:44 +0100 resin@tuna.net wrote: > [snip] > boys mixed electric cafe- she said that one member of the group put > (offensive symbol) stickers all over the outboard gear as a joke.. and got > sent home to dusseldorf in response. im not naming names!! what particular offensive symbol was it? -- Jon Alsbury, J.Alsbury@unl.ac.uk Learning Centre G132, http://www2.unl.ac.uk/~een5alsburj University of North London, 0171 607 2789 x2455 London, N7 6PP. 0171 753 7037 (fax) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Discussions, discussions... Date: 13 Apr 1997 00:54:01 +0200 >Personally, I'm going to listen to some Integral Serialism. I'd try >that if I were you. :-) I would if you'd explained me what it is. :) PeAce, Johan. -- God is a subwoofer, and he listen to drum & bass. Turn up thy religion! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Aural opiates Date: 12 Apr 1997 19:56:25 EDT >>> No need for drugs, just music. <<< Speak on it, god! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: Re: (kw) Ahem! Date: 12 Apr 1997 17:01:58 -0700 THANK YOU, Lazlo! -(and everyone else!)- In all fairness, concerning these "personal attacks", we are ALL guilty = of misunderstanding each other, and we ALL said some harsh things. I = apologize for my part of it. I'm no more or less "perfect" than anyone = else. I've TRIED to correct and re-phrase my "rash" statements about = "Klause & other Non-Believers -(Obvious JOKE, poking fun at MYSELF for = being a FanatiK. I told Klaus, "Maybe I should foam at the mouth, = "SINNERS! INFEDELS!*ARGH*!". That would have been more "obvious". = sheesh.)- reading the articles" and my reaction to Paulo's -(NOT Klaus', = as I explained)- "blind"/"ignorant" remarks- which, as Paulo later = explained & apologized, he didn't mean it the way I took it. -(Just = remember, in America, them's fightin' words, boah! Like, an innocent = wave or "OK" hand sign can get you SHOT in some places, same as flippin' = the bird here or a backwards "V" sign in England, I've heard.)- In ant = case, I'm sorry, too. Meanwhile, Klause and Paulo have communicated with = me in Private since yestyerday, so, I hope this matter of "personal = attacks" can be considered RESOLVED. I really don't want to argue = anymore. I just want to make it clear that "differences of opinion" is = not what upset me, but, ATTITUDES. Yes, I felt hurt, and, yes, I reacted = strongly- but, I did not "Overreact" any more than anyone else did. = Mostly, I am EXTREMELY ANGY at Klaus for publically "Complaining" and = humiliating me further, as if he could kick me off the List. That was = totally uncalled for! My "behavior", or the lack thereof, is/was no = worse than a lot of other people's. On a lighter note.... re: my usage of a slash instead of OR between "House" and "Hip-Hop". = Well, exCU-U-USE ME!*snisk*! Jeez, I can't say nut'in' without getting = jumped on! Shame on me. Da Muzicnut2 SLAPPED my @$$ HARD for THAT one! = -(*Tee-Hee*)- Don't worry, folks, that's just Adam's style of expressing = himself, I know he wasn't being "offensive", okay? -(And, yes, Adam, I = DO know there's a difference between all these different = styles-within-styles of MusiK.)- See, I was gonna string several = style-names together with slashes, as is my own personal style of = typing, but, it wouldn't fit on the line.*nyrk*. Ofcourse, I could've = said something pompous and grandiose like "they started the entire = spectrum of the whole modern EleKtroniK MusiK Genre", or the "KW is the = HUB and all these different TECHNO/Industrial/Ambient/SynthPoP/House, = etc, styles are the SPOKES", but, no doubt I would've got slapped for = that, too. I was "generalizing". -(I guess, using that analogy, some = might argue that Cage/Stockhausen/Subotnik, etc, are the "AXLE".... = Hm-m, okay, I guess Moog is the Tranny, Carlos is the differential, = and.... Oh, Yeah! -and Mr.THEREMIN is the CHASSIS! Yeah- nobody's = mentioned the Theremin from the late 20's and all that REAL early stuff- = "Galvinic Music" in the mid-late 1800's.... rats, I gotta go get that = Electronic Music book from the Library- EVERYbody's in it, inCLUding the = bots! -Hey! That was a typo- I hit the "t" instead of "y", but, I'll = leave it. :] ROBOSMILEY)- Huh? sorry- I got lost again.... See? We can still have FUN, can't we? Do we HAVE to be so = "High-Falootin'"/"Artsy-Fartsy"/"Snooty"/Serious _ALL_ the Time? C/mon, = LIGHTEN UP! "Yo, CHILL, all y'all bitch-ass muthafuckas!" Yes, InCLUding = me. -(Thank you, Adam. KooL quote from one of your earlier posts. I = thought it might bear repeating right about now.*HEE-HEE*!)- *WHEW*! ThanX, I feel all better now. I can't stand the thought of = Fellow Fans/FanatiKs hating me, but, if people can't forgive me for = LOVING KW, that's just too bad -and, NO, I'm not saying I'm a "better" = fan than anyone else. Don't EVEN! -(More INSANE, yeah. I'll buy that. No = argument there.)- *BEEP* "Fraulein ROBOT, kommst Du!" *Whirr-KlicK* -(!!!!)- YiKeS! uh-oh. = Excuse me, my KW LoveDolls are summoning me. It's time for our daily = LubeSession.*snicker*. Hm-m, who said that earlier? Actually, the term = is "EleKtroniK-ErotiK Dream-Droids of Dusseldorf"!*ZOING*! Get it = RIGHT!*hee-hee-hee*!!*SCREAM*! ....sorry. = 'Couldn't resist. I just HAD to get it out of my system, as it were. = -(Yeah, 'SYSTEM', huh-Huh....)- .*sigh*. 8]>- ROBOFREAKY =3DKRAFTWERK=3DKRAFTWERK=3DKRAFTWERK=3DKRAFTWERK=3DKRAFTWERK=3DKRAFTWERK=3D= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Discussions, discussions... Date: 13 Apr 1997 01:29:02 +0200 Statik wrote: > > >Personally, I'm going to listen to some Integral Serialism. I'd try > >that if I were you. :-) > > I would if you'd explained me what it is. :) > PeAce, Johan. Do I hear the crowd saying "Please don't!" ? :-) -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Tha ill muzik Date: 13 Apr 1997 02:38:44 +0100 On 12-Apr-97 A.D., Emanuel Mair carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Tha ill muzik": >then again I get nauseous when someone mentions hiphop&house.......balr >but its gfriday waHT 3am and im drujnk did i p0ost this?????????????++ Oooooh, guess who's embarassed now! I'm really sorry for posting the above crap. Well, it confirms the old saying: "computers and alcohol don't mix"... Gerade aus! -- E m a n u e l M a i r _____________________________________ mair@medstud.gu.se Procul, o procul este, profani! http://medstud.gu.se/~mair * t e a m A M I G A * .-. .- -.. .. --- -....- .- -.- - .. ...- .. - .-.- - ...-.- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Ahem! Date: 13 Apr 1997 01:57:10 +0200 To quote, once again (I'm not bragging I'm a scholar, do you hear, ROBOT??? :-): All's well that ends well. I'm really glad it did so. And so, without further ado, have you reconsidered and at last decided to give up on Kraftwerk and put all your posters and records on the incinerator, substituting them for Stockhausen material? hehe, I couldn't resist! Yours. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Ahem! Date: 13 Apr 1997 02:57:40 +0100 On 13-Apr-97 A.D., ROBOT carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Ahem!": [...] >My "behavior", or the lack thereof, is/was no worse than a lot of other >people's. [...] >*BEEP* "Fraulein ROBOT, kommst Du!" *Whirr-KlicK* -(!!!!)- YiKeS! uh-oh. >Excuse me, my KW LoveDolls are summoning me. It's time for our daily >LubeSession.*snicker*. Hm-m, who said that earlier? Actually, the term is >"EleKtroniK-ErotiK Dream-Droids of Dusseldorf"!*ZOING*! Get it >RIGHT!*hee-hee-hee*!!*SCREAM*! ....sorry. >'Couldn't resist. I just HAD to get it out of my system, as it were. >-(Yeah, 'SYSTEM', huh-Huh....)- .*sigh*. 8]>- ROBOFREAKY >=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK=KRAFTWERK= Jesus.... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) Speaking of Theremin.... Date: 12 Apr 1997 21:10:09 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-12 20:22:49 EDT, you write: << and Mr.THEREMIN is the CHASSIS! Yeah- nobody's mentioned the Theremin from >> Is anyone a fairly skilled Theremin player? I just put mine together a couple of days ago and was wondering about any techniques etc.....??? P.S. - check out the Clara Rockmore CD - it's interesting (although a little too "typical" classical for me....) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) re: Background Info Date: 12 Apr 1997 19:42:03 -0700 People have asked about my "Background", so, here it is.... [Eureka, CA] Well, aside from a couple of basic Music = Theory/Appreciation classes and being in Choir all through School, and = growing up singing in Church -(Mom was the Pianist)-, I don't have any = kind of "Formal" Background to "Brag" about. But, coming from a musical = family, it's in my blood. So, I can sing fairly well, -(and Draw, and = Dance- be it SQUARE or ROBOTiK, or both at once- the Callers LOVE = that!)-, but, I can barely play Piano, so, I goof around with my KORG = Wavestation-EX and make up my own simple tunes. No big deal. Oh, when I was little, I had bad ear infections and was deaf off-and-on, = so, I'd lean on the Piano to get my pitch while Mom played- in church or = at home. I cuddled with the Radio at night, soak up VIBES and go = sleepy-bye. Surgery restored most hearing at age 13, but, I still like = to hug the speakers and FEEL the MusiK and MELT into those VIBES! This = was LONG before I knew KRAFTWERK.... I love just about ALL types of music- I grew up on Hymns/Gospel, = Classical, Rock, Folk, etc. -(Naturally, I fell in love SYNTHS when the = First MOOG came out in the late '60s, and Electronic Organs before that, = ofcourse.)- I became aware of Experimental/Avant Gard around 1969/70, = -(like, 6th or 7th grade)- and it's = "Interesting"/"Challenging""Intellectual" stuff, but, I always prefered = Switched-On BACH, and songs like PopCorn, I Feel Love & Oxygene. Okay, I = was into SCI-FI by age 7 or 8, 'did my SPOCK thing in High School, class = of '75. -(Back then, they didn't have Nerds/Punks, etc. I was IT. = Pointed ears and all. Major FREAK.)- I broke out of the Redwood Curtain = -(Eureka, CA)-, beginning in '74/'75, for TREKKIE Conventions, etc. So, = in the Cities, I was searching for ROBOT Music- not knowing anything = about KW. -(But, I was into ROBOTS even before STAR WARS in '77)- I was = talking to Record Store people, desribing my DreamSounds, and they'd = mention T.Dream, Jarre, etc. "No, No, No, I want ROBOTS! Machines! = Rhythm! I can HEAR it in my BRAIN!" Nobody told me about KW. Picture this: I'm in a Record Store in Riverside, CA in '77, with my = boyfriend at the time, looking for PURE EleKtroniK MusiK. He sees = AUTOBAHN, shows it to me, but, neither one of us knew it, so, we pass it = up. *D'OH*! A coupla months later, it turns out they played in Santa = Monica- North end of L.A, man! Only an hour from Riverside!*ARGH*! I = bummed around San Fransisco and L.A a lot in those days. I'd just = started doing ROBOT "mime", too.)- Finally, in Apr of '78, I was living = with 2 Female TREKKIES in L.A. -(Los Angeles, that is)- and they turned = me on to AUTOBAHN.*sigh*. THIS was the SOUND I'd been LOOKING for! I = MELTED into the Speakers, -(JUNK Stereo, even)-, and I had my first REAL = Auditory Orgasm. This was WAY better than Oxygene! So, I went out and = grabbed all the KW I could find, and the rest is History. -(In fact, I'd = heard AB on the Radio before, but, I never found out who/what it was, = because by the time they announced it, I'd EATEN the Radio!*YUM*!)- I = came back to the Redwoods around 1980, and I haven't been out again ever = since. I got into the PACMAN craze- YEAH! HIGH SCORE! Then I gradually = got too old & fat to do the Mechanical Mannequin" gigs anymore, so, I = faded back into the WoodWork. Education wise, I did a 2-year Vo-Tech Program at C/R -(College of the = Redwoods)- in '84-'86. Mechanical Drafting/Machine Tool Technology, = -(and, would you believe, Weight Training?)-, plus German. I needed the = units, and I loved the Language, so, I took a first year class. I'd also = taken past courses in Electronics, Choir, and assorted stuff after High = School. I even took Belly Dancing! Imagine that- a Belly-Dancing = ROBOT.*hee-Hee*. Oh, and SquareDancing got ahold of me in High School, = too, as well as Modern Dance in P.E. -(Physical Education.)- On a VERY personal note: My life is HELL, and KW is the only PLEASURE I = have left. My husband is extremely mentally/verbally abusive. -(no = money, nowhere to go. married in '91, no kids.)- I'm under EXTREME = stress, so, please forgive me for being very Sensitive about KW. If my = husband could ruin THAT for me, too, he would! -(Maybe my Albums ARE = safer in Harvard.)- For example, his anti-social behavior got us kicked = out of SquareDancing. -(Long story.)- I really don't have a life. KW is = all I've GOT, so, please understand my deep feelings. I am opening my = heart to you all. Please don't stomp on it. I need all the Friends I can = get. I'm saying all this just so y'all know the situation I'm in, and = maybe you'll understand me a little bit better and not judge me so = harshly. Yes, I know, this isn't a "marital problems" Mail List. I won't = go into it anymore. Moving on- I gave my background info when I joined the List back in = October, -(was it just 6 months ago? It seems longer than that)-, but, = lots of new folks have joined, -(WELCOME ABOARD!)-, and people keep = asking about my name, so, there you have it. I need a HomePage.... Hey, perhaps some of you long-time Members out there can fill us new = people in on yourselves, eh? I still don't know everybody that was here = way before me. Darn, this was MUCH longer than I intended! Again, I'm sorry about all = of the misunderstandings, HOWEVER, I will NOT apologize for loving = KRAFTWERK. But, I WILL apologize for getting "carried away" sometimes. = Please forgive me. =3DOHM SWEET OHM=3D ROBOT@humboldt1.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT -(Foto & Profile)- http://www.scifi.com -(I live ion The DOMINION Members Lounge. Same = Foto, different Text)- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Tha ill muzik #2 Date: 13 Apr 1997 00:29:46 EDT >>> I'm now in Ninja Tune, Mo'Wax, y'know, trip-hop or something, and in jungle/drum-n-bass. <<< Do you like DJ Shadow and Dr. Octagon/Kool Keith? That's real hip-hop on that next level, naah mean? I like almost everything except for old classical, country, and rock. KW is the world's best band. Even though they've influenced everyone in the pop-music spectrum doesn't mean that they don't deserve less props than the serious art-music crowd. They've just made electronic-based music making more accessible to the music-making community by using synthesizers as their electronic instruments instead of the left-of-center techniques that many composers use, knowhutimsayin'? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "neil lawrence" Subject: Re: (kw) re: Background Info Date: 13 Apr 1997 09:14:17 +0100 Perhaps we should change the name to the ROBOT mailing list. ---------- People have asked about my "Background", so, here it is.... [ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Scelsi Date: 13 Apr 1997 11:30:11 +0300 Paulo Mouat wrote: > Was the piece orchestral, with choir, or was it for ensemble or solo > instrument? It was orchestral with no choir as far as I remember (I only heard it once a couple of years ago). I guess I just have to buy some more Scelsi CDs. A correction: In a previous mail I mentioned W.Carlos' Beauty In the Beast containing microtonal music. Well, actually I meant the pieces use different TUNINGS than the 'normal' equal tempered tuning - but each piece of music stays inside the chosen tuning - so it's not actually microtonal music, is it? Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephan F Yaraghchi Subject: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? Date: 13 Apr 1997 11:47:12 -0400 Julian Seifert axed about artists that used samples by KW. . . This is no attempt to be complete, but I just traced a Kraftwerk sample within the latest track by *Dr. Dre*: 'been there, done that, etc.'. I'm not talking about the cut on his latest album -- the sample is only found in the single release of that song. SteFY. ACID surpha (c)------------------------------------------------------ http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/acid_surpha Stephan F. Yaraghchi acid_surpha@compuserve.com 27/28 Lauterstr fax +49-30/851-2985 12159 Berlin - GERMANY phone +49-30/851-2985 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Ahem! Date: 13 Apr 1997 01:27:30 +0200 To quote, once again (I'm not bragging I'm a scholar, do you hear, ROBOT??? :-): All's well that ends well. I'm really glad it did so. And so, without further ado, have you reconsidered and at last decided to give up on Kraftwerk and put all your posters and records on the incinerator, substituting them for Stockhausen material? hehe, I couldn't resist! Yours. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? Date: 13 Apr 1997 21:58:17 +0200 At 11:47 13-04-97 -0400, you wrote: >Julian Seifert axed about artists that used samples by KW. . . > >This is no attempt to be complete, but I just traced a Kraftwerk >sample within the latest track by *Dr. Dre*: 'been there, done that, >etc.'. >I'm not talking about the cut on his latest album -- the sample is >only found in the single release of that song. > >SteFY. > > Would it be an idea if everyone on the list put in tracks with KW Samples in them, with times and all? Than someone else (not me hehe) could list all that and put it on? Would be nice, nah? Latest I heard was in DJ Krusts Double 12" pack "Genetic Manipulation", track is "Breaking Point", sample was a "tjoep"-sound from the end of homecomputer (81 version) Laterz, Johan. -- God is a subwoofer, and he listen to drum & bass. Turn up thy religion! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) What kinda music do you like? Date: 13 Apr 1997 22:01:57 +0100 Fermin Goiriz wrote: > I would like to take the discussions to the question "What kinda music does > the Kraftwerker listen to?" because, you know, I am new here and I want to > meet people! Harold Budd Brian Eno Nurse With Wound Merzbow Whitehouse many other favourites too numerous to mention, the above are fairly representive of the artists in the particular noise / electronic / ambient fields i'm interested in (thoough i must point out i strongly dislike catagorising music genres). also very much into 'Kraut-Rock' i.e Neu!, Cluster, Can, etc. i guess most KW fans would be pretty much into synth / electronic music in general. would that be a fair comment? -- Jon Alsbury, J.Alsbury@unl.ac.uk Learning Centre G132, http://www2.unl.ac.uk/~een5alsburj University of North London, 0171 607 2789 x2455 London, N7 6PP. 0171 753 7037 (fax) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Re: "Background" Date: 13 Apr 1997 15:19:42 -0700 Neil Lawrence wrote: >Perhaps we should change the name to the ROBOT mailing list. "Et tu, Brute?" ROBOT Mail List? I don't think so. I was sincerely responding to several = people's inquiries, not meaning to "monopolize" or anything. I just = wanted to share how much KRAFTWERK means to me, how I got into 'em, and = how they keep me going through all the pain. Music IS a Healing Force. = At the very least, it raises the Endorphin levels and eases = pain/depression and aids relaxation. People in Comas have been known to = come around when their favorite tunes are played. -(My Mom's a nurse's = aide. She knows what to play for me!)- I'm sure there are others out there with interesting stories to tell = about how they got into KW, and how they reacted when they first heard = them. A guy told me he first heard ROBOTS -(at age 4)- being played over = and over again at an outdoor sculpture exhibition, from a speaker high = up on a pole. -(I think he said he asked about the MusiK, but, never = found it anywhere.)- Years later, a neighbor lady gave him the M.M album = for Valentine's Day! Deja Vu! So, let's hear it- how did YOU get into = KW? What does their MusiK MEAN to you? Has it helped you through hard = times? I'm sure I'm not the only one.... KRAFTWERK IS The FORCE! ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Winner Subject: Re: (kw) Speaking of Theremin.... Date: 13 Apr 1997 09:59:48 -0500 ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: > > << and Mr.THEREMIN is the CHASSIS! Yeah- nobody's mentioned the Theremin from > >> > > Is anyone a fairly skilled Theremin player? I just put mine together a > couple of days ago and was wondering about any techniques etc.....??? BTW, check-out "THE KEYBOARD THEREMIN"! Equipped with foot pedals & a set of left-hand keys, "THE KEYBOARD THEREMIN" could create staccato attacks, allow on/off vibrato toggling, & permit other effects not possible on a Theremin. http://users.aol.com/DevilDrums/Clavivox.html Thanks, -Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas D. Kent" Subject: (kw) Enjoying music for "music's sake" Date: 13 Apr 1997 22:02:21 +0000 Paulo certainly has good points I certainly agree with. He avoids addressing the the main issue I (and others) have with much of Stockhausen's work. His work (with the well known exceptions) requires an amount of non-listening study to comprehend. Sure some music is difficult to comprehend by some people, though this does not apply to many very avant garde though not academic composers. You even quote Webern. While reading about his technique is invaluable, few would call it essential. As I brought up the term "music for the eyes", meaning that more meaning is bound in the description than the audible performance. Big point #2 is the symbiotic nature. Academia needs "academic music" to give it something to teach. > Nicholas D. Kent wrote: > > I firmly believe that a good chunk of Stockhausen's (and other's) > > contains very little that is assimilatable (or enjoyable for "music's > > sake") without reading explanations and or seeing a score. > > This is perhaps one of those concepts better left unexplained, but > "enjoying music for music's sake" is altogether subjective and deeply > rooted in our daily musical experience. I mean, from the very start, > our ears get attuned for a certain kind of musical discourse (by this I > mean a tonal kind of music with certain regular characteristics of > rhythm and so on). Anything mildly different from this usual music is > surely bound to cause apprehension. Yes to some fussy people. But look how many appreciate certain avant garde composers. > > But is it really a bad thing that this music has very little that is > assimilatable? Or, to put in other words, is it really difficult to > assimilate? Is this not a trick of your ears and your brain? It's (IMHO) somewhat elitist to present music in public that requires study beforehand. > > There are two quotes that refer this with particular insight: > "People get scared when we present them a picture of a landscape where > the sky isn't blue and the grass isn't green." (Webern) Generally termed "the shock of the new". I'm talking about a more rarified area where the music only makes sense with a decoder. Just look at what raw hex looks like. > > His case (and a number of his contemporaries) is senstive because the > > music simply is extremely difficult to appreciate without study > > materials other than just listening to the piece. IMHO I find this > > aspect a bit hypocritical. > > Why is it hypocritical? Is music supposed to be understood in an easy > manner? Why can't it propose a challenge to the listener? All the meaning is encoded --that's not good. IMHO Music should propose questions not be some sort of puzzle you have to live in the academic world to understand. It's like "figure 2a" in a research paper. Now that figure might be extremely enlightening but it's only part of the whole package. It kind of belittles the power of the music. > Another appropriate quote: > "The true criterion of the validity of a particular music is the > quantity of intelligence carried by the sounds." (Xenakis) Ahhhh. Shouldn't the music be carrying feelings. Maybe the intelligence is better left in the research paper. nicholas kent # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Enjoying music for "music's sake" Date: 14 Apr 1997 05:15:43 +0200 Nicholas D. Kent wrote: > His work (with the well known exceptions) requires an amount of > non-listening study to comprehend. To comprehend maybe, to enjoy, definitely not. I enjoyed Kontakte and the Klavierstucke much earlier than I read about them. And even now I can't acknowledge every bit of the pieces with the theory behind them. I'd say that the music is enjoyable by itself. But it sure is an added interest to know the why's and how's. > While reading about his technique is invaluable, few would call it > essential. As I brought up the term "music for the eyes", meaning that > more meaning is bound in the description than the audible performance. I don't fully agree. And I say "not fully" because the descriptions in themselves add one other dimension to the aural experience, so they're not truly independent from the audible performance. It should be said that what counts is the audible results, and though we may find a description interesting, we'd hardly spend much time listening to the audible performance if it isn't enjoyable. > Big point #2 is the symbiotic nature. Academia needs "academic music" > to give it something to teach. I don't agree here. Academia produces "academic music," which serves to explore (in my understanding) new areas of perception. You are made aware that certain phenomena produce certain effects, some of which you perhaps never noticed before. Furthermore, sometimes philosophical matters abound, of which the war between electronic music and musique concrete methodologies is a clear example. One other example is Cage. He hardly belonged to Academia, and his music endures mostly because of the concepts and questions raised; that is, he is appreciated more because of his philosophy of sound and music than his compositions. Your line of thought is comparable to "Academia does research in physics to give it something to teach." This is obviously nonsense. And the analogy is perfect; we research in physics to understand more of our world, and we research in music (meaning, we make academic music) to understand more of our perception. > > from the very start, our ears get attuned for a certain kind of > > musical discourse (by this I mean a tonal kind of music with > > certain regular characteristics of rhythm and so on). Anything > > mildly different from this usual music is surely bound to cause > > apprehension. > > Yes to some fussy people. But look how many appreciate certain avant > garde composers. As in most things, there are exceptions. Not all avant-garde is "difficult" to the same people, since it somehow may be "more in accord" with our own expectations. A recently mentioned example is Scelsi; it is easily seen that Scelsi is quite undemanding when compared to (say) Boulez. But it is not a matter of "some fussy people" only. People are generally so addicted to "normal" music that they can't even think of experiencing anything different. To indeed appreciate avant-garde, one has to breath deeply and face it; that's what I did. And I hated it all in the beggining. But over time, I managed to attune my ears (don't know how, it just happened) and now there is quite a number of pieces that I truly enjoy. And I faced that ordeal because I had a great curiosity toward that kind of music. > It's (IMHO) somewhat elitist to present music in public that requires > study beforehand. I wonder how would an indigenous amazon tribe react to an U2 concert. Clearly, for us their music is pretty much normal, but that's only because of that "enforced" education of hearing a certain kind of music on the radio at all times of day. To them, U2 would be as elitist and requiring as much study as avant-garde is for us. > > "People get scared when we present them a picture of a landscape > > where the sky isn't blue and the grass isn't green." (Webern) > > Generally termed "the shock of the new". > I'm talking about a more rarified area where the music only makes > sense with a decoder. Just look at what raw hex looks like. But my point is that everything needs a decoder. There are although some things that are understood more easily since you are so very accustomed to them. If we talked in raw hex, it would make perfect sense. To resume the Gould quote, if a child would learn to speak in raw hex, she could find other ways of understanding an otherwise nonsensical stream of numbers. But there is no need for an education in raw hex to try to envision some beauty out of it. In the Webern quote, the point is also that a non-blue sky may have its appeal. > > Is music supposed to be understood in an easy manner? Why can't it > > propose a challenge to the listener? > > All the meaning is encoded --that's not good. IMHO Music should > propose questions not be some sort of puzzle you have to live in the > academic world to understand. But you do enjoy a Bach fugue, don't you? A Bach fugue is enjoyable on its own, without any knowledge of music theory. And it IS a puzzle, although it's not necessary for you to listen to it as one. But, by the fact that it exists, it provides an alternate way of listening to it. This is to prove that encoded meaning is not always unlistenable. Your own aesthetic evaluation contributes greatly to find ways for enjoying a piece of music. > > "The true criterion of the validity of a particular music is the > > quantity of intelligence carried by the sounds." (Xenakis) > > Ahhhh. Shouldn't the music be carrying feelings. Maybe the > intelligence is better left in the research paper. But if it carries feelings, is it not a sign of intelligence (on the part of both the composer and listener)? OTOH, If music should carry feelings, maybe we wouldn't like Kraftwerk so much! ;-) Regards. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Re: "Background" Date: 14 Apr 1997 09:19:57 +0200 "... interesting stories to tell about how they got into KW, and how=20 they reacted when they first heard them...."=20 =20 I can tell you a story about what happened to my little sister when she=20 heard Numbers...=20 =20 She was about 5-6 years and I used to play Computerworld (on tape), I=20 was only about 12 myself, and she could never really understand what=20 they were saying at the beginning of the Numbers track, she tryed=20 really hard, and she bagan thinking about it, trying to understand,=20 even had nightmares about strange voices talking without her=20 understanding anything of it....=20 =20 Now just about 2 years ago, and about 10 years later, I played this=20 song again, when she visited me (got my own flat now), and she went=20 completely stunned/astonished because what she had never understood=20 when she was a child and forgot since then...she now heard again for=20 the first time in many years!!!! That's also Deja vu....=20 =20 / MATS=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:15:12 +0200 From: "Kim Johnsson" Subject: Re: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? > Julian Seifert axed about artists that used samples by KW. . . Too Live Crew have a song entirely based on the song Die Mensch Machine. I believe their "version" is called "Dick Almighty" or something equally deep :-) Original KW in the background and a heavier beat on top of it... OMD do more or less the same thing with Neonlicht on their Sugar Tax album... ========================================================================== Kim Johnsson kjohnsso@abo.fi http://www.abo.fi/~kjohnsso Work +358-2-2654958 IAMSR/ÅA, Lemminkäinengatan 14-18, 20520 Åbo, Finland Home +358-2-2516805 Sirkkalagatan 36 A 18, 20700 Åbo, Finland ===================================== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) A surprise an intolerant listmember has graced me with Date: 13 Apr 1997 03:10:45 +0200 To all list-members, I just wanted to report that someone on this list tried to subscribe me on a series of mail-lists. All subscription attempts seem to have failed, since all lists report unsuccessful subscription. Of particular curiosity is the id the subscriptions report: instead of my own name, they report "Kraftwerk Nazi." This may be an attempt to flood my mail-box, since even an unsuccessful subscription is reported to me via email. Luckily, I have other means of manipulating my email, without having to patiently wait for it to download. So, if the perpetrator is out there and reading this, don't bother to send more. My ISP provides a service that allows me to act on large sets of messages. In this case it is quite easy for me to delete them quickly; this won't prevent the traffic and my posting to the KW-list. I once dealt with 2000 messages (two months of unattended email), so it won't bother me now. Regards you all, and watch your backs. It's noteworthy that there are intolerant people out there, and that a simple exchange of ideas may have unpredictable results. Best! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess Subject: Re: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? Date: 13 Apr 1997 01:14:00 -0400 Hy, even George Michael sampled them on "Do you really want to know", a song that appeared only on "Red Hot and Dance". It was a sample from music nonstop, if I remember right. Other sampleusers were "the orb" and "chemical brothers" with their "Ohm" sample (sounds great) right on the beginning of"exit planet dust". Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? Date: 14 Apr 1997 12:54:40 -0400 (EDT) another sample is from information society's hack cd...the hypnotic ascending electronic collage (for lack of a better description) during it's more fun to compute. (i can't remeber which track from the hack cd uses this sample but i'd be glad to find out). thanks! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Power Subject: (kw) An Alien lands at Kling Klang Date: 14 Apr 1997 14:05:20 +0100 Dear All, Hello, my name is Dave and I've been a lurking on the list for a few months, but until now I've not really had much to say. Weeeell, I got back from my holiday in Germany on Saturday and I had the cheance to go to Duesseldorf with me mum on the Saturday...so I went to look for Kling Klang! It was dead easy to find (about 400m from the central railway station) and is still painted that horrible colour as the picture in the KW picture Gallery. Got outside the builing at about 2 p.m. and it was chucking it down with rain, so I went shopping. At about 5 p.m. I went back to have another look (and hopefully catch a glimpse of R or F, but didn't). The front door is like a rolling garage door (possibly for moving equiptment) and by this there is a set of 5 doorbells. 4 of them are matked, but one isn't, but I was to chicken to press it (someting I now really regret!). However, I did notice that Jochiem Dehmann (engineer as credited on CW sleeve)is based in the same building, so maybe teh stusio is still in use after all.... Well that's about it Ta ta for now Alien Dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? Date: 14 Apr 1997 07:22:32 -0400 Message text written by Statik >Would it be an idea if everyone on the list put in tracks with KW Samples in them, with times and all? Than someone else (not me hehe) could list all that and put it on? Would be nice, nah?< Great idea!! If everyone put up names to the list , I will compile them. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edu Subject: (kw) KRAFTWERK.COM is alive !! Date: 14 Apr 1997 14:45:21 -0300 I was away for a while, but did you see that there is more than that antenna in the site??? Inviting to the TG??? RoboticHugs! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Tribal Update Date: 14 Apr 1997 07:26:04 -0400 The Tribal gathering www site has been updated to list extra info. the site is www.universe.co.uk/tribal97/ Tickets have increased in price (50 pence !!!) Closing date for tickets has been added. (can't remember the date) Has anyone got the tickets in their hands yet? I sent off two months ago, but have heard nothing. Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) A-100 Vocoder Date: 14 Apr 1997 20:29:51 +0200 (DFT) The Doepfer WWW pages have been updated recently. Kraftwerk are now explicitely credited for co-designing the vocoder system (http://www.doepferusa.com/filters.html). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) IRC Timewarp!! Date: 14 Apr 1997 14:07:25 -0400 Fellow kw people, every time I log on to IRC #kraftwerk, there is nobody there!! If we are going to meet should we agree on a time (or day) for all??? (US fans remember that we are at least 5 hours ahead) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? Date: 14 Apr 1997 12:50:05 -0600 (MDT) >> Would it be an idea if everyone on the list put in tracks with KW >> Samples in> them, with times and all? Than someone else (not me hehe) >> could list all that and put it on? Would be nice, nah? > > Great idea!! If everyone put up names to the list , I will compile them. Please send this information directly to Jules, not to the list -- he can then post the list when he thinks it's ready. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J|rgen B|rjesson Subject: (kw) Upcoming concert(s)???? Date: 14 Apr 1997 13:44:59 +0200 (MET DST) Hello again everyone! Just to get another thread going I would like to ask for your opinion on this (purely(??) speculative) question: If Kraftwerk do honor Tribal Gathering with a performance, should this concert be considered to be compared to a) The Sellafield concert; a single show, just for fun(?) b) The spring/summer concerts of '93 (Linz, Groningen, etc.); The first of a very limited number of concerts with old material c) The concerts in Italia '90; which were used for testing the upcoming 'The Mix' material d) something completely different Well, go ahead, tell us your opinions!! :-) /jorgen borjesson "Music is organized noise" Ralf Huetter, Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J|rgen B|rjesson Subject: (kw) Number of records sold?? Date: 14 Apr 1997 13:36:35 +0200 (MET DST) Does anyone have any information how many records Kraftwerk have sold over the years and over the world? And also how the figures are divided among the different albums?? /jorgen borjesson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fermin Goiriz Subject: (kw) New KW album Date: 13 Apr 1997 23:00:19 +0200 from: Fermin Goiriz email: j021850503@abonados.cplus.es Hy, Do you believe the rumors saying we will see a new Kraftwerk album on Jun 97? Greetings, Fermin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rotsztain Subject: Re: (kw) Upcoming concert(s)???? Date: 14 Apr 1997 16:23:20 -0400 J|rgen B|rjesson wrote: > If Kraftwerk do honor Tribal Gathering with a performance, should this concert be considered to be compared to b) The spring/summer concerts of '93 (Linz, Groningen, etc.); The first of a very limited number of concerts with old material< What early records did they play songs off of? Anyone tape it? I'm pretty kean on trading KW boots. JEremy -- ************************************************************************ Frequency #1 Interviews with Jim O'Rourke, Jessamine, Trans Am, Silver Apples, the Rachel's, Six Finger Satellite, Analogue, and Slow Loris. Articles on the Cosmic Jokers, and the Moog as well as lots of reviews. Available as of April 20th for 3 dollars ppd. 28 Tarbert Rd, Willowdale, Ontario, Canada M2M 2Y2 cheques to Jeremy Rotsztain frequency@poboxes.com ************************************************************************ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) IRC Timewarp!! Date: 14 Apr 1997 16:34:54 -0400 >every time I log on to IRC #kraftwerk, there is nobody there!! >If we are going to meet should we agree on a time (or day) for all??? >(US fans remember that we are at least 5 hours ahead) Traffic on the channel is going to be a little slow during these trial weeks until we're all registered at set up properly. So far from our experience in the channel, we've found that the most convenient times fell somewhere in the ranges that follow: United States (east coast) - early to mid afternoon (12 pm - 4 pm) United States (west coast) - late morning to early afternoon (9 am - 1 pm) England (UK) - late afternoon to early evening (5 pm - 9 pm) Sweden/Germany/Italy - early evening to late evening (6 pm - 10 pm) All of the above times are in sync with one another, but keep in mind that these times for chat are not written in stone anywhere. They are simply representative of the times that we've met up in the channel thus far. If anyone would like to work out a schedule that better suits everyone, the drawing board is open for the taking. Just send it to me privately when you've got it worked out. Until registration and a more solid timetable, just try your luck at a time that's convenient for you. The channel's still in its early stages. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Another lonely night...lonely night...stare at the tv screen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fernando Subject: Re: (kw) New KW album Date: 14 Apr 1997 17:48:36 -0400 At 5.00p -0400 13.04.97, Fermin Goiriz wrote: >from: Fermin Goiriz >email: j021850503@abonados.cplus.es > >Hy, >Do you believe the rumors saying we will see a new Kraftwerk album on Jun 97? If this is in regards to the EMI web-page announcement, could it not be about the upcoming ManMachine 100 Anniversary of EMI re-issue? I read something on a CD releases newsletter (ICE in the US), where it mentions that some prominent EMI albums are getting the nice treatment. They talk about Morrisey's first album with extra-tracks (and I presume some remastering). So, possibly this is what EMI has slated for June. My guess. later, fernando "Do you ever wonder what is inside that keeps us together, you ever want to take that knife and discover..." -- tindersticks "Fingers first when you are digging shit" -- House of Love # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Update Date: 14 Apr 1997 22:42:56 +0100 Julian Seifert wrote: > Has anyone got the tickets in their hands yet? > I sent off two months ago, but have heard nothing. yep - rang the day after it was announced KW were on the line-up - tickets arrived a couple of weeks later, that is to say just over one month ago. -- Jon Alsbury, J.Alsbury@unl.ac.uk Learning Centre G132, http://www2.unl.ac.uk/~een5alsburj University of North London, 0171 607 2789 x2455 London, N7 6PP. 0171 753 7037 (fax) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? Date: 14 Apr 1997 22:55:40 +0100 there's also a good lift from the Radioactivity album on New Order's 'Blue Monday' - the mellotron choir is sampled and used as a pad, same pitch, but with that lovely Emulator lo-fi colour to the sound. i've heard the same sound on a couple of other records too, so it's possible it's a sample that came supplied with the instrument, but as i've never had my own Emulator II i couldn't confirm this. i'm sure KW are one of the most sampled groups ever! -- Jon Alsbury, J.Alsbury@unl.ac.uk Learning Centre G132, http://www2.unl.ac.uk/~een5alsburj University of North London, 0171 607 2789 x2455 London, N7 6PP. 0171 753 7037 (fax) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) ROBOT's Records Received! Date: 14 Apr 1997 21:27:14 -0700 HALLELUJAH! GOTT SEI DANK! Hey, Fellow Listoids! All ROBOTS ReJOICE! I got my KW Import Albums back from "Havad"! = -(Harvard, that is.)- They arrived at the Post Office on Saturday, and I = just picked them up today. They survived the trip none the worse for = wear. It feels good to have 'em back on my turntable where they belong! = -(despite my blown woofer. 'sounds fuzzy, but, I don't care.)- .*sigh*. = All is Right with the Universe once again! :] ROBOSMILEY Just remember, when it comes to KRAFTWERK: There are Fans, and there are = FanatiKs. There are Freaks, SuperFreaks and MEGAFREAKS.... and Then = there's ROBOT. *Hee-Hee-Hee* ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danyel Togan Ramelow Subject: (kw) Mp3 Search engine!!!! Date: 15 Apr 1997 00:02:57 -0500 (CDT) Hello! If any of you like Mp3 file, and who doesn't?, please check out my page at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/7560 You will there find the Mp3 search engine! Check out my music too! See YA! THE MAN Danyel Ramelow # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #63 Date: 15 Apr 1997 01:17:56 -0400 On 4/15/97 12:41 AM, kraftwerk Digest (kraftwerk-owner@xmission.com) = wrote: >i'm sure KW are one of the most sampled groups ever! Apparently, Kraftwerk is second only to James Brown in being sampled = the most.. ---- "I've elucidated to you a multitudinous of occasions, don=B9t = embellish." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk's Personal Lives Date: 15 Apr 1997 01:19:11 -0400 Does anyone have info on their personal lives, like... (1) Are they married? (2) Do they have kids? (3) What else do they do besides music? (4) Are they ever seen in restaurants? (5) What kind of movies do they like? Anything else? ---- "Citizens who reside in silicate based transparent matter erections ought not propel gravel." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Avant-garde vs. ordinary music Date: 15 Apr 1997 01:34:23 EDT I would take the opposite point-of-view here. I vastly prefer avant-garde music because of all of the "envelope-pushing" that goes on. Traditional classical music, to me, sounds cold and inhuman, as if a computer or other machine wrote it because of its maddening regularity. Avant-garde music sounds like a new breath of live in the aural plane. It's far easier for me to listen to and appreciate Phill Niblock than, say, Mozart or J.S. Bach. BTW, Paulo, or whoever: who was that other avant-garde composer besides Stockhausen that you mentioned with the seemingly ordinary name? And, can you recommend some CDs by Alvin Lucier? There was an article in yesterday's New York Times about this composer. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? Date: 15 Apr 1997 11:13:04 +0200 On the last Frontline Assembly album it is pretty obvious that they ripped off the choir part just after Radio Activity. Unfortenately I can't say in which FLA song the sampled is put, I just remember that it is there somewhere. Did you know by the way that a group called BOSE (Bass Overdrive something) made a complete rip off of Tour de France and made a own song of it. I think it was around 1988, and the style of music was kind of old school hip hop. I had the record but thougt it was crap, so I sold it. If I remember correct they didn't really sampled the song, they just made an own version with new lyrics and rap. Not very bright version, I'm afraid. Also I remember a group called Pluuto who made a song consisting of only (ok, almost only) kraftwerk samples. The song is also from the eighties and can be found on a 12" and MCD. It's crap too. 2 Live Crew sampled the song Man-Machine and made Dick Almighty. /Andreas -- 'We are very gentle with our machines. Sometimes they respond very friendly.' Ralf Hutter, Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk's Personal Lives Date: 15 Apr 1997 11:25:25 +0200 Bruce M. Lloyd wrote: > (3) What else do they do besides music? They fancy drinking tea with cream. > (4) Are they ever seen in restaurants? They fancy drinking tea with cream in cafes. > (5) What kind of movies do they like? Black and white films from the fourties and fifties. > Anything else? Their interest for biking is well known. Cheers, /Andreas -- 'We are very gentle with our machines. Sometimes they respond very friendly.' Ralf Hutter, Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Samples Date: 15 Apr 1997 11:43:41 +-100 Hi there everyone, Regarding the matter of cataloging all tracks which sample Kraftwerk, I = think someone is going to have a massive task! I have mentioned before that I myself have a massive record collection = (I just can't kick the habit), it progresses from early electronic music = right up to date through the electro, hip-hop, house and techno styles. = Alot of the artists who created these styles of music were influenced = by groups like Kraftwerk, so there are quite a few examples of samples = within my collection alone. Of course, there is also the issue of group's which have copied well = known riff's from Kraftwerk, an example would be the b-side to the = original pressing of 'Back by Dope Demand' by King Bee, using the = 'Numbers' rhythm. You may also be aware of a 12 inch which was released = some time time ago called, 'All in a Days Werk'. It was a tribute to = Kraftwerk with various group's using Kraftwerk rhythms in their tracks.=20 Still interested in compiling that list?! I am in the process of building my own mixing studio at home, as I am a = DJ in my spare time, but as soon as I have finished I will be shipping = all my vinyl into it's rightful place and will then be able to sort = through which tracks do have Kraftwerk samples. See you all at Tribal. Craig. PS. The t-shirts will be coming soon,..........watch this space! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: INACIO RUI Subject: (kw) TG coverage Date: 15 Apr 1997 13:30:07 +0200 Hi everyone! About the KW show during Tribal Gathering: - Is anyone going to take pictures / shoot some video of the concert? (Do they allow cameras in the first place?) - Is anyone going to tape it? I'm sure a recording walkman can be smuggled in at worst... And finally to those who are going ... Enjoy it you lucky people! Cheers. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:52:14 +0200 From: INACIO RUI Subject: (kw) Machinery Hi everyone! Does anyone have a list with the equipment KW have used? I would very much like to know how some of those sounds were made. Since some (all?) of you are musicians here is some warning: I've read in Future Music Magazine (UK) that spare parts for the Roland SH-101 are now out of production and very hard to find, so if you have one take good care of it. I will be extra careful with mine from now on. Cheers. Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Harmonia on "Krautrock" Sampler Date: 15 Apr 1997 17:37:54 +0200 (DFT) For collectors: The new 2-CD-Sampler "Krautrock" (cat.-no. Pol. 553367-2) features the track "Sehr kosmisch" by Harmonia. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Twingo on the Internet Subject: (kw) Tickets & Meeting point Date: 15 Apr 1997 20:24:46 +0200 >Has anyone got the tickets in their hands yet? Yes I have. Ordered by credit card by a friend of mine who lives in London. This because overseas ticket selling was not yet possible in march, According to the updates info on the site its now possible to by them in several European countries. Also mentioned was a Tribal meeting point, is this a good point to meet each other? groeten, Dolf / / twingo@xs4all.nl ----/---/---- Dolf Wiemer, the Netherlands / / tel.: int +31 24 677 00 06 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) IRC Timewarp!! Date: 14 Apr 1997 22:22:06 +0000 Julian Seifert was saying: >every time I log on to IRC #kraftwerk, there is nobody there!! >If we are going to meet should we agree on a time (or day) for all??? >(US fans remember that we are at least 5 hours ahead) I met up with a few folks over the weekend, there. The thing is, you have to be patient and stay on the channel for some period of time. It's a good idea, if ya plan to do a little websurfing, to start up the webbrowser and use it, checking back with the IRC program to see if anyone else has arrived. I'll usually check in at about 10:00PM UK time (which is 5:00 New York time, about 2 or 3 O'Clock West Coast amerika time). -- /=======================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | | Influence and inspiration from : | | Jarre Vangelis Tomita Carlos Erasure Pinhas TangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.co.uk/customers/Alliance)| \=======================================================================/ May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. -- George Carlin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) "The CURE" Mail List/Info? Date: 15 Apr 1997 15:14:08 -0700 I'm looking for CURE info for a good friend of mine- I tried surfing the = Net but I got LOST in CYBERSPACE. Can someone Email me a few CURE Links? = Do they have a Mail List? -(Probably)- Uh, she likes /\/|\/\, too. I = played KW for for her, and she definitely likes 'em! Poor galfriend- she = ain't got no computer. I'd like to help her out with CURE & /\/|\/\ = stuff. Any leads? I look forward to any and all private Email re: The = Cure or /\/|\/\ or anything ya wanna chat about in general but don't = want to clutter up the List with. :] ROBOSMILEY Meanwhile, Trafo, Kristallo & I just had another FUN Chat session on the = #Kraftwerk Channel! I LOVE it! We were talking about YAMO's CD -(I WANT = IT!)- and "Six Degrees", a FREE Net Service that helps people with samw = interests find each other. 'Sounds like a good deal.... The MORE the = Merrier! It's always good to make new CyberPals- especially Fellow KW = Fans/SCIFI Freaks, and whatever you're into. ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) TG coverage Date: 15 Apr 1997 16:29:50 -0400 >Hi everyone! About the KW show during Tribal Gathering: - Is >anyone going to take pictures / shoot some video of the >concert? (Do they allow cameras in the first place?) - Is anyone >going to tape it? I'm sure a recording walkman can be smuggled >in at worst... And finally to those who are going ... Enjoy it >you lucky people! I was going to ask exactly the same questions!!! I have arranged for somebody to sit and listen to BBC radio1 for the broadcast from the event, and may take a small camera if it is allowed. (Can't see why we shouldn't be able to take a camera as general admission) I'd toyed with the idea of taking a portable DAT, but I don't know anybody who would lend me one. Video Camera? Now that would be takin' the piss !!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Machinery Date: 15 Apr 1997 21:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Some equipment they have been rumored to use (some are fact): minimoog farfisa organ VCS3 EMS Vocoder Arp Odyssey (white face) Polymoog Mellotron Synclavier DX-7 (could be synclavier FM option) Korg PS3300 Roland MC-8 microcomposer with expanded memory Ralf has a bank of switches that can direct the flow of CV to various synths Prophet-5 Other things such as effect - many delay/pitch shifters/reverbs A mono choir disc thingy that is supposedly "made in florida..." Of course - this IS Kraftwerk and anything not seen with the eye is speculation. I have seen the minimoog, white faced odyssey and MC-8 in pictures or video. And the Polymoog is VERY evident in "More Fun to Compute" and "CW II" Anyone else add or subtract? I am also very curious.....thanks # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Avant-garde vs. ordinary music Date: 15 Apr 1997 21:44:31 -0400 (EDT) In a message dated 97-04-15 06:03:52 EDT, you write: << Traditional classical music, to me, sounds cold and inhuman, as if a computer or other machine wrote it because of its maddening regularity. >> Of course we must put this into context. Music that is regular now was, at one time, new and different. Even serialism - pioneered by Schoenberg (sp?) and considered radical at the beginning of the century has been abandoned by some musicians that want to completely erase the stuctures of the old........Another thing that I consider is the fact that the computer that composed brilliant works by Bach and Mozart was made of flesh. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) KW on Midnight Special VH1? Date: 15 Apr 1997 22:20:29 -0700 Possible VCR Alert.... -(I'll give it HALF a *WhooOOP*)- I read somewhere that KW did make an appearance on The Midnight Special, = hosted by Wolfman Jack in the '70's. Well, they're showing the old = re-runs on VH1 at Midnight PDT. There's a very slim chance they'll play = the KRAFTWERK segment one of these nights and slim is better than none. 8-Track Flash Back follows at 1am PDT, also on VH1. There is a very = brief mention of KW and a glimpse of Karl & Wolfgang doing percussion = within a montage of various bands, during the SYNTHPOP episode hosted by = David Cassidy. -(Susan Summers and Leif Garrett narrated other episodes. = But, I don't recall either of them covering KW.)- I'm desperate to see = ANYTHING about 'em! There's no telling when they'll play what. Optical = Scanners on Alert. I keep watching AMP on MTV every Sat/Sun at 1am PDT- alas, no KW, but, = they DO play a lot of interesting stuff. -(The ONE time I missed AMP = they played The Model.*ARGH*.)- It would be nice to get some KW videos = on tape. My VCR is primed and ready! Maybe I'll get lucky someday. ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Sampling, etc. Date: 16 Apr 1997 01:49:07 EDT >>> Apparently, Kraftwerk is second only to James Brown in being sampled = the most. <<< I thought 2nd-place honors went to George Clinton, then KW, naah mean? >>> I'm not acquainted with any piece by Lucier. I'm more into the pretty heavy academia people, that is, those that are really known and widely documented in the literature. <<< Apparently, Lucier teaches composition at Wesleyan University. BTW, I remembered the other composer's name: it was Webern. Domo Arigato, Ms. ROBOTo, though! Here are some joints that sample KW: Sir Mix-A-Lot: "Ride" The Puppies: "Funky Y-2-C" Virtually every bass record from Miami samples KW in some fashion, especially, "Tour..." and "Numbers." Good luck with the list! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Yamo's "Time Pie" Date: 16 Apr 1997 09:41:12 +0200 (DFT) > We were talking about YAMO's CD -(I WANT IT!) Official release date for the album was Monday (14.04.), but it doesn't seem to be actually out yet. Anyway, the catalogue numbers are: - EMI Odeon 854 173 2 (standard version) - EMI Odeon 854 172 2 (limited Digipack version). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Machinery Date: 16 Apr 1997 08:44:01 +0200 A Farfisa organ is on a picture on the "Kraftwerk 2" album (the German=20 vinyl edition), so they must have used that one too. =20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christophe Ollier Subject: (kw) Hello ! Kraftwerk Remixes Date: 16 Apr 1997 11:46:02 +0200 Hello ! My name is Christophe Ollier, I've just subscibed to Kraftwerk Digest, and I'm happy to see messages about and around Kraftwerk. I am the manager of Gasoline Records, a record shop in Toulouse, France, where we carry many kinds of Elektric Musik, including of course Kraftwerk reissues. As a matter of fact, my UK distributor just announced me a new Kraftwerk release (no, not the new album yet). This is named "Metalbox", will be a boxed set of four 12" singles, each of these vinyls will contain dance remixes. This is an official EMI UK release, its reference is KLANGBOX1, and it is announced for the 16th of May. But as always, I'm waiting to actually have this record between my hands to be sure of it's release... Good day to you all, and go on listening to good music, whatever it is ! My e-mail is : gasoline.records@hol.fr # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Emil Schult on WWW Date: 16 Apr 1997 12:22:03 +0200 (DFT) It's not a brandnew WWW page, but I don't think that it was mentioned here before: A short Emil Schult biography (in German) can be found at http://www.germangalleries.com/Galerie_Kontraste/Schult_text.html One of his paintings can be admired at http://www.germangalleries.com/Galerie_Kontraste/Sueden_Norden.html Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Barrett Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling, etc. Date: 16 Apr 1997 06:05:53 -0700 At 01:49 AM 4/16/97 EDT, Adam Schefflan wrote: >Here are some joints that sample KW: > >Sir Mix-A-Lot: "Ride" >The Puppies: "Funky Y-2-C" > >Virtually every bass record from Miami samples KW in some fashion, >especially, "Tour..." and "Numbers." Good luck with the list! Peace. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Information Society. Their "Hack" release had a few borrowings from KW, most notably the use of the "Ein zwie drie vir" count in a couple tunes (pardon my German...I'm guessing at the spelling). I think they also used a snippet from "Home Computer" somewhere... -----------------Justin Barrett----------------- Owner: Dreamscape Productions Production Assistant: Northland Cable Television # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Re: FW: ELECTRONICA Date: 16 Apr 1997 09:47:36 -0600 (MDT) > DEANY: We dont like the term cuz it was created outside o the whole > goddamned scene. No it wasn't. The term "electronica" has been used in the "scene" for years. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Liethen Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 16 Apr 1997 19:16:06 -0500 Hello, I've been tring to find video material on Kraftwerk, mainly any of there music videos (if they have any). I need some info on where to get video tapes (VHS or =DFeta, NTSC) or when they will be on TV (Mtv, VH1 ect....) An= y help would be great. -Peter Liethen pliethen@globaldialog.com http://www.globaldialog.com/~pliethen "My MP2k will whoop your WinCE any day!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling, etc. Date: 16 Apr 1997 21:28:14 -0400 (EDT) i actually mentioned information society's 'hack' a few days ago...evidently it never made it to the list. o well. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re:(kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 17 Apr 1997 04:23:01 -0400 Message text written by Peter Liethen >I've been tring to find video material on Kraftwerk, mainly any of there music videos (if they have any). I need some info on where to get video tapes (VHS or =DFeta, NTSC) or when they will be on TV (Mtv, VH1 ect....) An= y help would be great.< Further to this, does anyone have any videos they are willing to copy?? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus Fjellström Subject: Re: (kw) Re: FW: ELECTRONICA Date: 17 Apr 1997 10:31:59 +0100 > > DEANY: We dont like the term cuz it was created outside o the whole > > goddamned scene. > > No it wasn't. The term "electronica" has been used in the "scene" for years. Let me see if I've got this right, and if I have, I'll be pleased: The term "electronica" - is it a term for the musical genre of electronic instrumental(ish) music - like a "non 4-on the floor" beat techno music? I've been searching for a word that defines that genre for years... /Marcus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Sampling, etc. Date: 17 Apr 1997 11:45:25 +0200 Cookie Crew made a whole song based upon a Numbers-sample. /Andreas -- 'We are very gentle with our machines. Sometimes they respond very friendly.' Ralf Hutter, Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: RE: (kw) Sampling, etc. Date: 17 Apr 1997 12:36:30 +-100 Yes, it was called, 'I've got to keep on'. ---------- Sent: 17 April 1997 10:45 Cookie Crew made a whole song based upon a Numbers-sample. /Andreas -- 'We are very gentle with our machines. Sometimes they respond very friendly.' Ralf Hutter, Kraftwerk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alpezi@zilli.priv.at Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 17 Apr 1997 11:54:48 +0200 (CEST) Hi! On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Peter Liethen wrote: > Hello, > I've been tring to find video material on Kraftwerk, mainly any of there > music videos (if they have any). If you mean "Videoclips" heres my (not complete) "have-ever-seen-Kraftwerk-Videoclip-list!": Radioactivity Antenna Trans Europe Express Schaufensterpuppen (*) Die Roboter (*) Neonlights Das Model (*) Die Mensch Maschine (*) Taschenrechner (*) Telephone Call Musique non stop Tour de France (*) Hope, that there are also English Versions available...... There are also rumors, that there are clips available for: Autobahn Europa Endlos Comuterworld Nummern Homecomputer > I need some info on where to get video > tapes (VHS or =DFeta, NTSC) or when they will be on TV (Mtv, VH1 ect....) There WAS a special here on Austrian TV in a tv-special called "nitebox", on 14th of March 97. See http://www.orf.at/nitebox If there are interested people there, perhaps we can organize a "collectors-order" for video-copies of the nitebox show....... Greetings from Austria..... zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 17 Apr 1997 15:03:28 +0200 (DFT) > If you mean "Videoclips" heres my (not complete) > "have-ever-seen-Kraftwerk-Videoclip-list!": > Radioactivity > Antenna > Trans Europe Express > Schaufensterpuppen (*) > Die Roboter (*) > Neonlights > Das Model (*) > Taschenrechner (*) > Telephone Call > Musique non stop > Tour de France Other existing promo video clips are: Tour de France (Remix) Tour de France ("Breakdance" version) Die Roboter (Remix) The Robots (Remix) Radioactivity (Remix) > (*) Hope, that there are also English Versions available...... Yes, they are. There are also German versions for "Neonlicht" and "Trans Europa Express". > Die Mensch Maschine (*) Are you sure that there is a promo clip for that song? Or do you mean the self-titled Austrian/German TV Special from 1982? > There are also rumors, that there are clips available for: > Autobahn > Europa Endlos > Comuterworld > Nummern > Homecomputer I doubt that. Could you please specify these rumours? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Schuldt" Subject: (kw) Sampling, etc. Date: 17 Apr 1997 15:42:20 +1000 Other groups stealing or "sampling" kraftwerk is: Nostromo dept. : evolusion 12" (totally based on metropolis , with JMJ samples too) Cold sensation : Safe sex 12" telex : Moskow Discow 12" -88 re-edeit and also: KR=D6GER made a cover on "the model" 1990 //Andreas Schuldt skylt@hb.lu.se cim92sa0@stud.msek.lth.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: INACIO RUI Subject: (kw) KW Special and help request Date: 17 Apr 1997 18:40:57 +0200 Andy Jones the Editor of UK's Future Music Magazine has informed me that the June issue will feature an (old) interview and history of the band article. They have also interviewed Karl Bartos a few months ago. Also, I cannot find any copies here in Portugal of KW's first 2 albums. I've even looked for them a few times in Germany but to no avail. Can anyone help? I expect them to be veeeery rare by now... Cheers. Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Musikexpress Date: 17 Apr 1997 19:09:52 +0200 (DFT) The May issue of the German Musikexpress magazine contains a large, AFAIK previously unreleased Kraftwerk photo (full page, one of the motives from the "Robots in the studio" photo session from 1991). A full article on Kraftwerk is scheduled for the June issue. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 17 Apr 1997 15:44:43 -0400 (EDT) All I know is that I ordered videos from a Dave Rout in Canada a year ago and have heard nothing since. It really sucks wasting my money like that. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luca Dassi Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 17 Apr 1997 21:00:57 +0100 alpezi@zilli.priv.at wrote: > There WAS a special here on Austrian TV in a tv-special called > "nitebox", on 14th of March 97. Rats! Why didn't you tell us in advance? There's a lot of people in Europe who can watch Austrian TV by satellite.... I hope that the new album will trigger a flood of KW specials so we could videotape *all* of the KW clips. Stay tuned! *Luca* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) KW Special and help request Date: 17 Apr 1997 22:01:21 -0400 (EDT) i understand, through a friend of mine in boston, that newbury comics (on newbury st) has copies of kraftwerk 1 and 2, and the ralph and florian disc (all in cd format). anyone in beantown who is interested should dash out, straight away, to fetch these morsels! i would offer an ample bounty for any of these 3 delicacies!!! run run run!!!!!! (hehe) good luck! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stephenv@sirius.com (stephen vesecky) Subject: (kw) japanese kraftwerk Date: 17 Apr 1997 23:53:40 -0700 an interesting kraftwerk sample is the song "contact" by the pizzicato five, it's on some import or other of theirs. the whole song is made up of splices and rearrangements of "pocket calculator" and makes it into a new song. has anyone heard it? stephen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alpezi@zilli.priv.at Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 17 Apr 1997 18:32:09 +0200 (CEST) Hi! On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Other existing promo video clips are: > Tour de France (Remix) > Tour de France ("Breakdance" version) Heureka! Another not-known Version!!!!!!!1 Is this track also available on vinyl or cd? I only have the two Tour de France Maxi-Singles, but theres no "Breakdance" Version on it.......... > > Die Mensch Maschine (*) > > Are you sure that there is a promo clip for that song? Or do you mean > the self-titled Austrian/German TV Special from 1982? Well, I saw this track lots of years ago on Sky Channel in a Show called "The Great Video Race" with Ronnie the Runner (remember it?) As I remember, it looked like the "Die Roboter" Video as I saw it in the "nitebox" BTW: Which self titled TV-Special? > > There are also rumors, that there are clips available for: > > Autobahn > > Europa Endlos > > Comuterworld > > Nummern > > Homecomputer > I doubt that. Could you please specify these rumours? OK! This "Rumours" were two dutch guys, who i met at the Kraftwerk Gig in June 1993 at the ars electronica Festival in Linz. Autobahn and Europa Endlos are hard to belive for me two, but "Computerwelt" is quite possible, as I have a Remix Maxi Single of it too.... bye zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alpezi@zilli.priv.at Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 18 Apr 1997 08:21:40 +0200 (CEST) Hi! On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Luca Dassi wrote: > > There WAS a special here on Austrian TV in a tv-special called > > "nitebox", on 14th of March 97. > > Rats! > Why didn't you tell us in advance? Good question! The answer is: I was informed by nitebox about 5 Minutes before starting the clips. So I had absolutely NO time to inform you guys at the mailing list, because I had to search for a video tape, programming the recorder and WATCHING! ;-))) The Problem is/was: I have NO Cable TV and my SAT-Receiver ist broken..... :-(( So the quality of the recording is not very good.... > There's a lot of people in Europe who can watch Austrian TV by > satellite.... > I hope that the new album will trigger a flood of KW specials so we > could videotape *all* of the KW clips. Yesterday I sent an email to the austrian television and asked, if it is possible to get a copy of the nitebox show. If yes, i will post the responsible contact person at the ORF and the price...... Greezings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 18 Apr 1997 12:28:17 +0200 (DFT) > > Other existing promo video clips are: > > Tour de France (Remix) > > Tour de France ("Breakdance" version) > > Heureka! Another not-known Version!!!!!!! It's nothing spectacular, just the "Dance with broom" scene from the "Breakdance" movie. Apparently, it was used in some countries (USA?) as a promo video clip for "Tour de France", due to lack of original Kraftwerk footage... BTW: I forgot to mention that there's also a German language version of the standard (not remixed) "Tour de France" clip. > Is this track also available on vinyl or cd? Yes, it is known as the "Francois Kevorkian Remix" or "New York Club Mix". > I only have the two Tour de France Maxi-Singles, but theres no > "Breakdance" Version on it.......... Ooops! Sorry, I've just called it so because it originates from the "Breakdance" movie, it's not an official title. > > > Die Mensch Maschine (*) > > > > Are you sure that there is a promo clip for that song? Or do you mean > > the self-titled Austrian/German TV Special from 1982? > Well, I saw this track lots of years ago on Sky Channel in a Show called > "The Great Video Race" with Ronnie the Runner (remember it?) > As I remember, it looked like the "Die Roboter" Video as I saw it in the > "nitebox" Strange... Maybe it was self-produced TV footage? > BTW: Which self titled TV-Special? "Die Mensch-Maschine" is the title of an Austrian/German TV Special on Kraftwerk from 1981/1982. It contains excerpts from the 1981 concert in Vienna and an interview with Ralf Huetter. > > > There are also rumors, that there are clips available for: > > > Autobahn > > > Europa Endlos > > > Comuterworld > > > Nummern > > > Homecomputer > > > I doubt that. Could you please specify these rumours? > OK! This "Rumours" were two dutch guys, who i met at the Kraftwerk Gig in > June 1993 at the ars electronica Festival in Linz. Hmmm, if these are the same two Dutch guys I've met in Linz on the same occasion, they are probably not very reliable - they sweared that a new Kraftwerk album would appear in November 1993... ;-) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: SV: (kw) japanese kraftwerk Date: 18 Apr 1997 15:12:06 +0200 the song "contact" by the pizzicato five, it's on some import or other of theirs. the whole song is made up = of splices and rearrangements of "pocket calculator" and makes it into a = new song. has anyone heard it? stephen Does anyone know on which album by P5 I can find "Contact". I like P5 = very much, and I'm sure they would treat KW with utter respect. All the japanese imports are far too expensive to just order them by = chance. (Hope you don't find this message to be too much off topic) / Conny Fornb=E4ck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: christopher zimmerman Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 17 Apr 1997 18:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Ditto here...I was going to commemorate the one year anniversary, but I guess I have just a tad more of a life than I thought I did. ;-) Dave, oh Dave, why hast thou forsaken us? (I will say that I did get the almost $100 worth of items I had bought from him...just no videos...and to FURTHER torture me, the last email I got from him were the "track listings" for the tapes...wah!) I'd like some cheese with my whine, please. :) Thanks, Christopher Robin Zimmerman On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 ManMachn2@aol.com wrote: [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) IRC's KRAFTWERK Channel. Date: 18 Apr 1997 14:14:38 -0400 Well, this is just a brief note to say thanks to those who lent their support to the notion of establishing a KRAFTWERK Irc channel, and also a special thanks to those who have been frequenting the channel on a regular basis - Undernet's #Kraftwerk is now IRC's only officially registered Kraftwerk channel! Thanks again to all who are participating in the discussions, and see you there- -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: SV: (kw) japanese kraftwerk Date: 18 Apr 1997 15:12:06 +0200 the song "contact" by the pizzicato five, it's on some import or other of theirs. the whole song is made up = of splices and rearrangements of "pocket calculator" and makes it into a = new song. has anyone heard it? stephen Does anyone know on which album by P5 I can find "Contact". I like P5 = very much, and I'm sure they would treat KW with utter respect. All the japanese imports are far too expensive to just order them by = chance. (Hope you don't find this message to be too much off topic) / Conny Fornb=E4ck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Godfrey Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 18 Apr 1997 09:05:37 -0600 (MDT) > > There are also rumors, that there are clips available for: > > Autobahn > > Europa Endlos > > Comuterworld > > Nummern > > Homecomputer I 'm not sure about the Europe Enlos vid, but the last three may possibly be referring to the computer-generated videos that were projected at the back of the stage on the "Mix" tour. The Autobahn video, however, definitely DOES exist - it's a 20min version, completely animated, featuring a blue man with big 70's shades on, floating around, flying through tubes etc... The animation fits the music perfectly, changing the scenery/situation with the mood of the music - Excellent stuff!!! There was also a "making of Autobahn" feature on a European TV programme (I presume German) in the early 70's, which documented the animator's work - drawing the cells, etc. As far as I can remember, this clip is about 10mins long, but the copy I saw was very grainy, and had started to lose the colour. It's a long time since I've seen these clips, so can't remember very much else about them. sorry. =================================================================== CIT Research Ltd, 32 Wigmore Street, London W1H 0EB, United Kingdom Tel +44 171 486 3500 / Fax +44 171 486 4263 / email@citresearch.com http://www.citresearch.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) Subject: RE: (kw) List Membership Date: 13 Apr 1997 22:18:32 -0300 >Do I understand you right that you think I'm wrong on this list >because I have doubted that Kraftwerk are the reincarnation of the >Messiah? If you disagree with me, why don't you try to convince me to >your point of view instead of suggesting other lists for me? Is this list >reserved for "believers"? I'm out of the discussions in the list for a long time, but I need to put my finger in that one. Klaus gives more contributions to the list that more of us; not only opinions but also news and information. Now he said that Kraftwerk isn't the most important musical name since Mozart and is burned like a betrayer!! It is a little bit ridiculous!! The next step will be to declare that Ian Calder hates R&F ?? Sorry, but fanaticism (*any* fanaticism) always put me scared!! ************************************************************ """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br Rua Frei Caneca 11 ap. 21 Consolacao 01307-001 Sao Paulo SP Brasil """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ************************************************************* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) "Tour..." 12"ers Date: 18 Apr 1997 21:46:09 EDT >>> I only have the two Tour de France Maxi-Singles, but there's no "Breakdance" version. <<< The only 12" of "Tour..." I have is Warner Bros. 20146. Was there another US version of the 12"? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Guderian" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk music videos? Date: 19 Apr 1997 03:29:10 +0200 Hello I have some videos on kraftwerk( bad quality) Some rare clips are: Autobahn, fun cartoon hippie like. Floating mouths sings Fahrn, Farhn........ Europa Endlos, parades of miltary equipment and som atomic explosions The Model, from a tv show in England( I think). It´s from 1983( unceratain) The Model, very od version you can see kraftwerk dancing to it. Karl Bartos really shakes it Showroom dummies, some athletic and gymnastic events. I don´t know if it´s an original RadioAcctivity, I think it´s from a live recording. But it´s the studio version I hope this will be of any help Guderian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas D. Kent" Subject: (kw) Pizzicato Five and KW Date: 19 Apr 1997 11:39:30 +0000 > an interesting kraftwerk sample is the song "contact" by the pizzicato > five, it's on some import or other of theirs. the whole song is made up of > splices and rearrangements of "pocket calculator" and makes it into a new > song. has anyone heard it? > > stephen I mentioned this on the list a couple months ago. (P5 is not my specialty) It's a song on top of the KW material. Some of it sounds like actual samples, some not (a recreation). As I recall, it sounds like they took some individual samples some synth sounds and sequenced an ersatz backing track with them. Didn't hold my attention enough to study it close. the album is Romantique 96 (1995 Columbia/Triad [japan] COCA-12886). That track is produced by Towa Tei, who has a real fun U.S. album called "Future Listening". He new project has a name that makes me snicker, I think it's "Happy Robots Against the Machine" There is also a song on an earlier album "On Her Majesty's Request" that is based on "Telephone Call". I have to hear it again to figure out the track name. I had seen a press release that Matador (USA) was planning to release their version of "Romantique 96" last year, but it never happened. Matador puts together alternate USA versions of P5's albums with the band's participation. (and clears or edits the samples) Trivia: Telex remixed one of P5's hits, "Go Go Dancer" in 1993. (Not out in the U.S.) Denki Groove did what sounds like wicked parody of Tour de France a few years back, some of the drums sound sampled. They are big KW fans. Just heard it yesterday. Have to listen again. I like Hajime Tachibana's remix of his own track "Rock" from 1985 or so. He's trying to do an original Kraftwerk style tune. Wouldn't fool die hard fans, but certainly newbies. (no samples of KW) YMO's masterpiece "Technodelic" (1981) is almost an hommage to Kraftwerk (no samples of KW). USA pressing available. Their one-shot 1993 reunion as Not YMO featured a prominant KW sample in "Be A Superman" (William S Burroughs as vocalist, the album is "Technodon") nick kent (if you haven't heard 1990s P-MODEL you don't know what you are missing) Japanese Electronic Music site http://idfx.com/artskool/jem # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 10:28:48 +0000 From: "Nicholas D. Kent" Subject: Re: (kw) Machinery > Some equipment they have been rumored to use (some are fact): > > minimoog > farfisa organ > VCS3 > EMS Vocoder Senheiser Vocoder!!! they might have EMS too, though I've not heard it mentioned Obviously using the Doepfer Vocoder Modules now since they are credited in the design. > Arp Odyssey (white face) > Polymoog > Mellotron - -without doubt > Synclavier > DX-7 (could be synclavier FM option) No. the New England Digital Synclavier II (commonly shortend to just Synclavier) started with FM and other forms of digital synthesis. Sampling was an option. The FM on it does not sound very much like a Yamaha. So if it sounds like a DX preset it usually is (or a sample). The Yamaha TX802 can be seen in Mix era concert photos. It's the rack module of the DX7II with extra bells and whistles. Oh you can hear the factory bass and harp samples from "Tour de France" on ILIO's authorized sample CDs of the Synclavier library, available for most samplers. The thing sampled at 50KHz 16 bit, a little higher than today's units. The first Fairlight was only 8 bit! The Kurzweill K250 or Emulator II weren't even full 16 bit. > Korg PS3300 never heard this mentioned, not that it couldn't be true > Roland MC-8 microcomposer with expanded memory > Ralf has a bank of switches that can direct the flow of CV to various synths > Prophet-5 not heard that one mentioned > Other things such as effect - many delay/pitch shifters/reverbs - ---------- Regarding the (not Kraftwerk used) SH-101. I can't think of much from that era which is easy to repair. This is not the forum to debate the pros and cons of Roland keeping spare parts in stock for everything they ever made. Just the fact that there were many of them built and that they aren't obsenely priced yet mean there are plenty of machines to canabalize. Certainly the SH-101 is less risky than other old instruments. nicholas kent http://idfx.com/artskool/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas D. Kent" Subject: Re: (kw) KW Special and help request Date: 19 Apr 1997 10:46:02 +0000 > i understand, through a friend of mine in boston, that newbury comics (on > newbury st) has copies of kraftwerk 1 and 2, and the ralph and florian disc > (all in cd format). anyone in beantown who is interested should dash out, > straight away, to fetch these morsels! i would offer an ample bounty for any > of these 3 delicacies!!! run run run!!!!!! > > (hehe) good luck! These are the well known Germanophone *bootlegs* taken from vinyl. They sound okay and are not overpriced. Many shops stock them (and "Tonefloat" and the Neu! cds) thinking (?) that they are legit imports. Apparently their distrubutor does not make this apparent. Even Virgin Megastore in New York stocks them. A riot since Virgin Records is controlled by EMI ! Oh... I've seen, but have not documented a seemingly UK CD copy of Autobahn at the places that sell these bootlegs. The back cover is blurry and there seems to be too few cat#s copyright notices etc. Unfortunately I've not seen enough legit copies to properly compare. mainly it's the substandard printing quality that makes me suspicious. nick kent # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Autobahn CD glitch? Date: 19 Apr 1997 20:58:12 -0400 Hello fellow Kraftwerkians. I was just noting some of the similarities and differences (tinting, dashboard illustration, etc.) between the cover artwork of my 'Autobahn' CD and 'Autobahn' vinyl album. While in the midst of this, I noticed something on the cover of my 'Autobahn' CD that I believe to be a glitch in the printing, so I was wondering if it was repeated on all the other copies of this compact disc as well. The exact CD I am referring to is the U.S. version of the CD on Elektra, issued in 1985 and whose catalog number is 9 25326-2. The glitch can be seen on the green grassy hill just above the left-hand side of the roof of the black Mercedes, and the glitch is a reddish-orange color. If anyone else has the same issue of this CD, please let me know if your copy also has this misprint on the front cover of the CD booklet. Thanks- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Virgin Megastores Date: 19 Apr 1997 21:22:42 EDT >>> Even Virgin Megastore in New York stocks them. A riot since Virgin Records is controlled by EMI! <<< Although Richard Branson (sp?) founded the name "Virgin" and its logo, Virgin Megastores is not owned by EMI. In the US, it's a joint venture between Blockbuster Entertainment (the portion that Wayne Huizenga did not sell to Viacom) and the owner of the Virgin Megastores chain. The only Virgin-oriented things that Branson owns now are Virgin Atlantic Airlines and the new V2 Music Group that recently bought Gee Street Records. HMV was once owned by EMI, but it seems that EMI now has a minority stake in this company; HMV also owns the "The Wall" chain of record stores. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) "Autobahn" CD glitch Date: 19 Apr 1997 21:35:03 EDT >>> Hello fellow Kraftwerkians. I was just noting some of the similarities and differences (tinting, dashboard illustration, etc.) between the cover artwork of my 'Autobahn' CD and 'Autobahn' vinyl album. While in the midst of this, I noticed something on the cover of my 'Autobahn' CD that I believe to be a glitch in the printing, so I was wondering if it was repeated on all the other copies of this compact disc as well. The exact CD I am referring to is the U.S. version of the CD on Elektra, issued in 1985 and whose catalog number is 9 25326-2. The glitch can be seen on the green grassy hill just above the left-hand side of the roof of the black Mercedes, and the glitch is a reddish-orange color. If anyone else has the same issue of this CD, please let me know if your copy also has this misprint on the front cover of the CD booklet. Thanks- <<< The Elektra CD was issued in 1988. In 1985, Warner Bros. acquired the rights to the album, but in 1988, all of KW's WB albums, which also includes "Computer World" and "Electric Cafe," switched to Elektra. The catalog #s of Elektra CDs usually start with a "6," so the true catalog number would be on the barcode after the "7559" prefix. The only reason "Autobahn" still had its old Warner Bros. catalog number was to make ordering easier; instead of issuing a new catalog number, they kept the old one. When reading the catalog number of ALL WEA CDs, you disregard the first number that's seperated by spaces--so the catalog number you mentioned before should just be "25326," naah mean? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: Re: (kw) Machinery Date: 20 Apr 1997 03:21:42 +0200 Nicholas D. Kent wrote: > > Synclavier > > DX-7 (could be synclavier FM option) > > No. the New England Digital Synclavier II (commonly shortend to just > Synclavier) started with FM and other forms of digital synthesis. > Sampling was an option. The FM on it does not sound very much like a > Yamaha. So if it sounds like a DX preset it usually is (or a sample). > The Yamaha TX802 can be seen in Mix era concert photos. It's the rack > module of the DX7II with extra bells and whistles. On some pictures, namely from the Music & Technology mag, the Synclavier picture is definitely not the II model. It is the 9600, in white, which has a quite deeper keyboard (a feet or so deeper beyond the panel) than the II model (which has no depth beyond the panel). This thing samples at up to 100KHz, fully adjustable. Regards. -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: (kw) KW & P5 & TT Date: 20 Apr 1997 17:56:38 +0200 Thank you Nick Kent and Oliver Kess for your (somewhat contradicting) = answers about the Pizzicato Five-track "Contact". >>That track is produced by Towa Tei, who has a real fun U.S. album = called=20 >>"Future Listening". I like this album. Tei uses samples from the CW-album on the track = "Meditation". But I don't find that particular part very enjoyable. Is it possible that there is some kind of confusion here,? Maybe the = P5-track is the same as the TT-track. Or maybe it becomes the same track = after the treatment of Towa Tei? / Conny Fornb=E4ck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Machinery Date: 21 Apr 1997 01:46:46 +0300 Nicholas D. Kent wrote: > > Korg PS3300 > never heard this mentioned, not that it couldn't be true I think they could have used PS3300 because it was quite a unique synth at that time. I´ve got no evidence, though. > Regarding the (not Kraftwerk used) SH-101. I can't think of much from > that era which is easy to repair. This is not the forum to debate the > pros and cons of Roland keeping spare parts in stock for everything they > ever made. Just the fact that there were many of them built and that > they aren't obsenely priced yet mean there are plenty of machines to > canabalize. Certainly the SH-101 is less risky than other old > instruments. Sure. I just blew one of the phase shifter modules in our Roland System 100M modular synth today. Aaaargh! But to be fair: that was only the second module to break up in 18 years (the first one to go was the resonance of a filter module). 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Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bruce M. Lloyd" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk.com Date: 21 Apr 1997 06:14:45 -0000 As if anyone hasn't already done this... might be fun to call! Klingklang(R) Studio c/o Andreas Kuckartz (KRAFTWERK2-DOM) Hochstrasse 24 Dortmund, D-44149 DE Domain Name: KRAFTWERK.COM Administrative Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas (AK978) compusic@COMPUSERVE.COM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Hostmaster, C2 (CH1196) hostmaster@C2.NET 510-986-8770 (FAX) 510-986-8777 Billing Contact: Kuckartz, Andreas (AK978) compusic@COMPUSERVE.COM +49 (231) 9 17 30 26 Record last updated on 03-Dec-96. Record created on 03-Dec-96. Database last updated on 20-Apr-97 06:09:36. 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I don=B4t know if i= t=B4s > an original No, it isn't an original promo video clip, and neither is the "Europa=20 Endlos" clip. Both clips are TV footage, edited from this "Mensch-Maschine" TV Special=20 I've recently mentioned. =20 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) A familiar story Date: 21 Apr 1997 15:45:22 +0200 (DFT) The release of the new Kraftwerk album was postponed until September (http://www.emimusic.de/n/spin/spin.html). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NLavely@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) The "Autobahn" animated video Date: 21 Apr 1997 10:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Hey Everyone.... Wouldn't it be a great idea if we combined all of our video stuff that we had & make some sort of KW-List video compilition? With the raritiy of all the stuff, if we pooled our resources, we would have some really great stuff! nick # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg Subject: (kw) from EMI Electrola web pages Date: 20 Apr 1997 17:17:20 -0400 Mark Stagg here, back in KW-list-world after a short absence. Whilst having a quick browse I've just noticed the following on EMI Electrola's web pages (http://www.emimusic.de/n/spin/spin.html), showing (I think) that the new KW album has been rescheduled for September. The seperate "album releaseplan" now lists it there too. Can anyone translate properly? Klaus? > KRAFTWERK > Andy Gill brachte das Phaenomen Kraftwerk in der April-Ausgabe des > englischen > Musikmagazins Mojo auf den Punkt: "Je weniger Musik Kraftwerk > veroeffentlichen, desto einflussreicher scheinen sie zu werden". Die > Geheimniskraemer aus Duesseldorf arbeiten nun definitiv an der > Fertigstellung > ihres neuen Albums, das im September erscheinen soll. In diesem Jahr werden > Kraftwerk ein einziges Konzert geben: Am 24. Mai treten die > Elektronik-Pioniere als Headliner beim Tribal Gathering Festival auf, das > auf dem Luton Hoo Estate in Bedfordshire veranstaltet wird. Gebucht sind > unter anderem Orbital und Daft Punk. Laut Spex-Meldung ist Thomas Bangalter, > eine Haelfte des derzeit angesagtesten Techno-Duos Daft Punk, bereits in > Besitz eines Tapes des neuen Albums von Kraftwerk und mit Remixen beauftragt > worden. STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alpezi@zilli.priv.at Subject: Re: (kw) "Tour..." 12"ers Date: 19 Apr 1997 09:13:59 +0200 (CEST) Hi! On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > >>> I only have the two Tour de France Maxi-Singles, but there's no > "Breakdance" version. <<< > > The only 12" of "Tour..." I have is Warner Bros. 20146. Was there another > US version of the 12"? Peace. What I have, but this are no US-Versions, are: EMI 1C K 062 200377 6 Tour de France (Remix) 6:47 Tour de France (Version Allemande) 6:44 Tour de France 3:10 ...Track one was remixed by Francois Kevorkian /* Klaus, is this the "Breakdance"-Version ????? */ EMI 1C K 052 165204 6 Tour de France (Version Allemande) 6:30 Tour de France (Version France) 6:30 Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) from EMI Electrola web pages Date: 21 Apr 1997 17:17:27 +0200 (DFT) > Can anyone translate properly? > Klaus? Nothing really new, except for the new release date and the statement that the Tribal Gathering appearance will be Kraftwerk's only concert in 1997. The rest is simply compiled from the April issues of Mojo and Spex. Looks like EMI themselves have to study the music press for information about Kraftwerk's current activities... Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) "Tour..." 12"ers Date: 21 Apr 1997 17:28:30 +0200 (DFT) > EMI 1C K 062 200377 6 > Tour de France (Remix) 6:47 [...] > ...Track one was remixed by Francois Kevorkian > > /* Klaus, is this the "Breakdance"-Version ????? */ Yes, except that it is edited down to approx. 2:30 minutes in the video clip. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering - lights, cameras, action... Date: 21 Apr 1997 11:45:45 EDT > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:30:07 +0200 > From: INACIO RUI > Subject: (kw) TG coverage > > Hi everyone! > About the KW show during Tribal Gathering: > - - Is anyone going to take pictures / shoot some video of > the concert? (Do they allow cameras in the first place?) > - - Is anyone going to tape it? I'm sure a recording walkman > can be smuggled in at worst... An extract from the list of terms and conditions that accompanied the ticket for the show... "No unauthorised filming or sound recording. you will be body searched at the entrance, any items which the organisers consider may be used as weapons will be confiscated. " Blah, blah, blah... So, you can expect to be searched upon entry; whether cameras will be viewed as unacceptable is a moot point. Undoubtably, the event will be bootlegged, even with security measures of fantastic proportions, there is always some way that it happens. But if you are travelling from afar and are weighing up the pros and cons of bringing along expensive audio-visual items to privately document the show, you may wish to consider the above statement from the terms and conditions. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ARKZIN_ZG@ZAMIR-ZG.ZTN.APC.ORG (ARKzin Zagreb) Subject: (kw) Muenchen24. Date: 21 Apr 1997 16:19:00 +0100 Zagreb, 21.04.97 Dear kraftwerk, KW + Orbital + DaftPunk +... in Muenchen, 24. May! More concerts to be expected!? Or just German version of Tribal Gathering! Dejan Arkzin http://www.arkzin.com ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Muenchen24. Date: 21 Apr 1997 16:18:13 -0400 >Dear kraftwerk, >KW + Orbital + DaftPunk +... in Muenchen, 24. May! >More concerts to be expected!? >Or just German version of Tribal Gathering! >Dejan >Arkzin May 24th? Perhaps Kraftwerk have convinced Orbital and Daft Punk to also utilize synchronized robots on stage so they can all perform at Luton Hoo, England AND simultaneously in Muenchen on the same night. Something's wrong with this picture, no? -- Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "We start to move...and we break the glass!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J P M Subject: Re: (kw) The "Autobahn" animated video Date: 21 Apr 1997 20:22:40 +0000 This video is very nice ,it was done by a German animator .I don't remember if he is famous or not. I'll take a look in the next few days. It's not a promo video. Jason The Pygmy Taxi Corp http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/ Vocod'o'rama http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/VOCODER/vocolist.html Frames Version http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocoder_frames.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sigurd Gulliksrud Subject: Re: (kw) Muenchen24. Date: 22 Apr 1997 09:00:52 +0200 Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > May 24th? Perhaps Kraftwerk have convinced Orbital and Daft Punk to > also utilize synchronized robots on stage so they can all perform at Luton > Hoo, England AND simultaneously in Muenchen on the same night. Something's > wrong with this picture, no? Hope somethings wrong - I ordered my flight for the 25th.. and they were to play the 26th, right? sigurdg@online.no ErEgO@IRC Homepg: http://home.sol.no/sigurdg/ GSM: +47 90 51 40 92 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering - lights, cameras, action... Date: 22 Apr 1997 04:20:56 -0400 Message text written by Ian >"No unauthorised filming or sound recording. you will be body searched at the entrance, any items which the organisers consider may be used as weapons will be confiscated. " Blah, blah, blah...< I think (hope) they see a camera as a personal item. Surely people must be able to take cameras into the festival? They are not purely for bootlegging. What do they mean by the term filming? ps. got my tickets on saturday yeeeeeeaaaaahhhhh !!!! Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Doepfer WWW pages Date: 22 Apr 1997 11:12:59 +0200 (DFT) In addition to the US site (http://www.doepferusa.com) Doepfer has now also a German WWW site (http://www.doepfer.de). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Videos Date: 22 Apr 1997 13:11:11 -0700 NLavely@aol.com wrote: > Wouldn't it be a great idea if we combined all of our video stuff that = we had > & make some sort of KW-List video compilition? With the raritiy of all = the > stuff, if we pooled our resources, we would have some really great stuf= f! I picked this bootleg compilation up in Camden Lock market a couple of years ago - it plays for just short of 4 hours and cost ten quid. The quality is, to put it kindly, variable... here's the running order: Sheffield City Hall, England, 16th July '91 - Numbers - Computer World - Home Computer - Computer Love - The Model - Tour De France - Autobahn - Radio Activity - Trans Europe Express - The Robots - Pocket Calculator - Boing Boom Tschak - Music Non Stop Bologna Teatro Tivoli, Italy, 7th February '90 - Numbers - Computer World - Tour De France - The Model - Computer Love - Home Computer - Autobahn The Robots 91 promo, 'Top Of The Pops' BBC TV 30th May 1991 spoilt by an appearance by a then up-and-coming Anthea Turner... = The Model + 91 tour-dates, Vivid 4th June 1991 Trans Europe Express promo (source unknown) The Model (unofficial BBC clip) Ruckstoss Gondoliere (NEU! + Florian) Beat Club, Bremen, RAI TV '71 Neon Lights promo (source unknown) The making of the Autobahn video (source unknown) Radio Activity promo (source unknown) Musik Szene: Die Mensch Machine (German TV, date unknown): This is the documentary Klaus mentioned recently. It features an interview with Ralf interspaced with video clips and live performances of Computer World, Pocket Calculator, Radio Activity, Showroom Dummies, The Robots, Trans Europe Express, Europe Endless & Home Computer. The Telephone Call promo (German TV, date unknown) P.O.P Tele5 (German TV, 1991): Interview with Ralf + promo clips + live clips from Brixton '91 Amusing introduction features presenter at a beer festival! = Die Roboter 91 (Mensch Meier) TV studio performance, Germany '91 KW introduced to game show audience as an internationally well known cult band. The group sit to the side of the stage whilst controlling their mechanical doubles from laptop computers. The middle-aged audience, unsurprisingly, look completely bemused by the whole proceedings, but clap politely at the close anyway! Music Non Stop promo (source unknown) The Model promo 1981 (source unknown) The Model promo 1978 (source unknown) features brilliant footage of Ralf, Florian, Karl and Wolfgang getting down for a good boogie on the dance floor! Das Model (Na Sowas) 1981 TYSK TV (Germany) Autobahn (full length animation, source unknown) Tour De France (French promo, source unknown) The Robots 91, 'Tomorrow=92s World' BBC TV 30th May 1991 Two appearances from Kraftwerk on BBC1 on the same night! Studio performance similar to the German game-show affair, no sign of the band themselves on this occasion however... The Robots 91 promo, MTV (date unknown) [end] like I said before, the quality ranges from alright to shit, frankly, but it's worth tracking down if you're desperate to see those rarely aired promo clips. less than five weeks until Luton... cheers, Jon. -- = Jon Alsbury, J.Alsbury@unl.ac.uk Learning Centre G132, http://www2.unl.ac.uk/~een5alsburj University of North London, 0171 607 2789 x2455 London, N7 6PP. 0171 753 7037 (fax) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Da Humm!" Date: 22 Apr 1997 18:25:58 +0200 (DFT) For completists: The new Helge Schneider double-album "Da Humm!" features Kraftwerk ex-member Charly Weiss on the track "Round About Midnight". Catalogue number: EMI 7243 8 57100 2 5. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: (kw) Trancewerk Date: 22 Apr 1997 12:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Has anyone heard the Trancewerk tribute CD to KW? I saw it at my local Media Play right behind "The Model" cd and thought it interesting Nate El Great Decibel Sintetico # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Trancewerk Date: 22 Apr 1997 11:31:12 -0600 (MDT) On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu wrote: > Has anyone heard the Trancewerk tribute CD to KW? I saw it at my local > Media Play right behind "The Model" cd and thought it interesting I have it. The whole thing is actually pretty good. Not as good as actual KW, of course, but still good. /*--------------------------------------+---------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre | Contents 55.8% nerd, 89% pure. | | lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Myers-Briggs product type INXJ | | http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | Celia Green is right! | *--------------------------------------+---------------------------------*/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Subject: Re: (kw) Muenchen24. Date: 22 Apr 1997 20:25:35 +0200 (CEST) Hi! On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, ARKzin Zagreb wrote: > Zagreb, 21.04.97 > Dear kraftwerk, > KW + Orbital + DaftPunk +... in Muenchen, 24. May! WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Or just German version of Tribal Gathering! Would be hypercool, if true! Greetings from Austria zilli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) New Records! Date: 23 Apr 1997 09:12:41 +-100 Hi there everyone, I was in London yesterday for the big Comdex computer show (plenty of = home computers there!!), and I thought it would be a good opportunity to = check out my usual record shops in the West End. I was in HMV, and to my amazement I found a Kraftwerk section in the 12 = inch vinyl. I purchased two copies of a record which can only be = described as 'blank'. There is no label on the record and the it is = packaged in a plain white sleeve. The only information was the shops = bar code label, which read, "Kraftwerk, RadioActivity". I purchased two copies as one is on red vinyl, and the other is on a = pink marble effect vinyl. They were priced as imports at =A37.99 each. I have played them and can say that the Radio Activity side is a fast = acid/techno remix of what appears to be the William Orbit remix from the = mix LP. The other side is again a modern mixture of Numbers, = Homecomputer etc. Does anyone know of any further information ? HMV also had copies of KW LP's on vinyl, not the 'Fame' series of budget = priced ones either, they all seem to be on Capitol/Electrola. Before somebody raps my knuckles for not saying anything previously, I = have a confession to make on recordings of radio shows. Ralph Hutter = was special guest on a London radio station a couple of years ago. The = station was Kiss FM, I cannot remember whether it was the Colin Favor or = Colin Dale show (both of them specialize in Techno), but I am sure I = have a copy of this on tape. I will try and find it in my library. That's all for now. Best Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re:(kw) Kraftwerk Videos Date: 23 Apr 1997 04:23:48 -0400 Jon, Went to Camden on saturday. I was too late to pick up anything useful!! I think your idea is a good one. We may be able to fill in some of the 'gaps' if we all put in. Anyone volunteer to do the editing??? Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: Re: (kw) Muenchen24. Date: 23 Apr 1997 04:32:27 -0400 Message text written by INTERNET:alpezi@zilli.priv.at >> Zagreb, 21.04.97 > Dear kraftwerk, > KW + Orbital + DaftPunk +... in Muenchen, 24. May! WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Or just German version of Tribal Gathering! Would be hypercool, if true! Greetings from Austria zilli< Is this thread going to stop?? All three are appearing ON_THE_SAME_NIGHT_AND_DATE at the tribal gathering. 'Nuff said Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas D. Kent" Subject: re: (kw) KW & P5 & TT Date: 22 Apr 1997 20:20:36 +0000 > Subject: (kw) KW & P5 & TT > > Thank you Nick Kent and Oliver Kess for your (somewhat contradicting) = > answers about the Pizzicato Five-track "Contact". > > >>That track is produced by Towa Tei, who has a real fun U.S. album = > called=20 > >>"Future Listening". To clarify. "Contact" is a P5 track from "Romantique 96" (1995 Columbia/Triad [Japan] COCA-12886). I just mentioned the producer of the P5 track was Towa Tei. > > I like this album. Tei uses samples from the CW-album on the track = > "Meditation". But I don't find that particular part very enjoyable. > > Is it possible that there is some kind of confusion here,? Maybe the = > P5-track is the same as the TT-track. Or maybe it becomes the same track = > after the treatment of Towa Tei? no "Contact" is far more than the use of a couple samples, it's using something that is "Pocket Calculator" sounding as most of the backing track. I'm still trying to sort out the Denki Groove parody of "Tour de France" (Drill King Anthology -Ki/oon (Sony) KSC2-85) from 1994. It pretends to be an anthology on the Drill King label, but all the bands seem to be Denki Groove incognito. The track starts out with the key in the ignition, start up and horn from "Autobahn" then a band member starts panting (like T de F). The melody is changed (like the kind of thing they do in TV commercials when they can't get the rights). Most if not all the sounds are recreated (not sampled off the record). There is a spoken rap thing in Japanese. (like T de F) I don't have it translated. Some Mellotron choir samples thrown in for good measure near the end. (also on the album Denki Groove gets Hardfloor to remix a big bold samauri enka-style theme song) nick kent http://idfx.com/artskool/jem Japanese synth music site # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: INACIO RUI Subject: (kw) New album in the pipeline ? Date: 23 Apr 1997 12:20:22 +0200 Hi everyone! I got info from a colleague in Germany (in the Duesseldorf area) that in fact KW have new material ready or nearly ready for release and that at the Tribal gathering appearance they would play it and check the crowd reaction. This mainly due to the fact that the record company is unsure as to the quality of the new stuff / public acceptability chances. Depending on that, the new album could be released later in the year, even if they still have to work more on it. I believe this all makes some sense, but I must stress that this is nothing but a rumour. Make what you will of it... Cheers. Rui Inacio # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) Tribal Dates Date: 23 Apr 1997 10:32:03 +-100 Hi there all, I have just made some enquiries on the matter of Kraftwerk playing = Tribal and Germany on the same night. I have a contact within the music = industry, who will have to remain anonymous, but let me say that he has = already given me free tickets for Tribal, who I have approached on this = issue of Kraftwerk actually playing at Tribal. His comments to me were, "Who knows........" ? He has no information on = whether Kraftwerk have changed their minds, or whether there will be a = simultaneous broadcast between the two locations. He is not even a = Kraftwerk fan, but realizes that when it comes to the Germanic boys, = they are their own bosses and no-one ever really knows what they are = doing! I suppose they could actually do a the two gigs on the same night, they = would have to have two rigs set up though so that they could play = Germany first, then fly straight into Luton airport (aprox. 1 hour), = then play Tribal. But then, I am not their logistics manager, so I will = shut up!!!!!! Regards, Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tobi Subject: Re: (kw) Muenchen24. Date: 23 Apr 1997 12:07:08 -0000 >Is this thread going to stop?? >All three are appearing ON_THE_SAME_NIGHT_AND_DATE at the tribal gathering. Isn't that what Mr Schneider-Esleben and Mr Huetter always wanted to do (or: dreamt of)? Maybe we should check for the rented helicopter they will fly with from location to location... ; ) Tobi Schaefer, Vienna tobi@nofrontiere.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Schuldt" Subject: (kw) covers of T d F Date: 23 Apr 1997 12:17:31 +1000 Daybehavior ( from sweden ) has made a really good cover of Tour de France ( french version ) with female voice on the CD single Hello! (nons cd 34, Jimmy fun music ) It's a brilliant group Why doesnt I read anything on Elektric Music here? //Andreas Schuldt skylt@hb.lu.se cim92sa0@stud.msek.lth.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) Duplicate Kling Klang Date: 23 Apr 1997 03:23:49 -0700 re: Craig Land's comments about having two rigs set up.... Yeah, I read somewhere that R&F said they'd do the gig ONLY if the TG = people would build them a duplicate of Kling Klang. WOW! In a TENT, = even- wouldn't the delicate EleKtroniX be *TWEAKED* by = humidity/temperature variants, etc?? ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Videos Date: 23 Apr 1997 11:36:39 -0700 Jon Alsbury wrote: > I picked this bootleg compilation up in Camden Lock market a couple of > years ago - it plays for just short of 4 hours and cost ten quid. The > quality is, to put it kindly, variable... except for the people i've already replied to, please please please no more requests for copies of this! i simply don't have the time, i can't convert it to anyother video system except PAL, you will be disapointed by the quality anyway. enough reasons? :-) best regards to you all, Jon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: re: (kw) Tribal Dates Date: 23 Apr 1997 07:30:41 -0400 Message text written by Craig Land >I suppose they could actually do a the two gigs on the same night, they = would have to have two rigs set up though so that they could play = Germany first, then fly straight into Luton airport (aprox. 1 hour), = then play Tribal. But then, I am not their logistics manager, so I will = shut up!!!!!! < Nice theory Craig, but how does that explain Orbital and Daft Punk doing the same? I have not heard of any plans from the Orbital camp to confirm this........ Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andreas Schuldt" Subject: Re: (kw) Tribal Dates Date: 23 Apr 1997 14:11:57 +1000 > I suppose they could actually do a the two gigs on the same night, > they would have to have two rigs set up though so that they could >play Germany first, then fly straight into Luton airpor...... > Craig. Why fly? What about their robot copies............... // Andreas Andreas Schuldt Tornavaegen 3:501 223 63 Lund , SWEDEN Tel./Fax. +46 (0)46-396744 (Home) Mobile. +46 (0)705-189146 Fax. +46 (0)46-146066 (Helsingkrona Nation) skylt@hb.lu.se or cim92sa0@stud.msek.lth.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) Neu Date: 23 Apr 1997 14:15:20 +-100 Hi there yet again, Whilst looking through the various record shops I mentioned in my = earlier message, I did actually come across two Neu LP's. One was the cream coloured sleeve with a large pink/red 2 printed on it = and Neu in black. The other was a black sleeve with Neu wriiten across = it in white. They were both gatefold sleeves and were priced at =A315 = each. I do not have the telephone number of the shop, but I am sure if you = called directory enquiries you could get it, the address is: Sister Ray Records Berwick Street (Pronounced 'Be - rick) London W1 Happy shopping! Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Hotstuff Date: 23 Apr 1997 16:29:46 +0200 Hi, KW-holics!!=20 =20 If anyone is interested in ordering "Organisation:Tonefloat" or the=20 "Ralf & Florian"=20 album on CD, or the book, "Man, Machine and Music" or japaneese edition=20 of Computer World, the vinyls "remake red" or "remake blue" etc. all of=20 these can be ordered at:=20 =20 http://www.hotstuff.se=20 =20 (you will have to click on "To the records" & "Search" and type=20 "Kraftwerk" to get=20 them listed)=20 =20 For your convenience I should mention that 170 Swedish kronor (the=20 first two) is =20 equivalent of about 38 Deutsche Mark or 15 pounds or 22 dollars. The=20 book is for =20 about the same price and the remakes for about half this price.=20 =20 (the calculations are not exact!)=20 =20 Mats, Sweden=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Rave" film Date: 23 Apr 1997 18:30:45 +0200 (DFT) From http://www.hallucinet.com/cleopatra/ravedoc.html: Cleopatra Pictures Treatment : Rave, An Electronica Documentary It's 1997, and electronic dance music is arriving in America in a big way. [...] Unfortunately, much of what the public hears about the movement is negative: we're told of drug fueled raves where violence occasionally breaks out, and we're given an image of the music as strictly machine-made, devoid of passion. It's this kind of misinformation that Cleopatra Pictures aims to correct with its feature-length documentary, tentatively entitled Rave, which will present electronic music -- AKA Electronica -- and its fans in a positive light, with all the passion and energy intact. [...] The film will begin by taking a look back. It will identify Electronica's pioneers -- artists like Brian Eno and Kraftwerk -- who as far back as the 1960s were laying the groundwork for the electronic culture that eventually developed. It will also trace the evolution of dance culture and show how the DJ has been transformed from an anonymous record-spinner into his current role as sound innovator, using his palette of high-tech gear to create a seemingly endless variety of electronic genres ranging from acid jazz to dub to drum n' bass. Broadening the scope of the film will be an exploration of Electronica's cross-over into the mainstream. [...] In short, with interviews and performance footage, this film will present as accurately and entertainingly as possible the different views and opinions of those who have made the scene a big part of their life. Artists, DJs, industry insiders and the ravers themselves will tell their story in their own words, and provide a snapshot-accurate document of this moment in electronic dance culture. For more information, please direct Email to: CleoPics@tunanet.com - - PS: Anyone would like contribute or participate in the project are encouraged to contact us. ,.;. Cleopatra Entertainment Group |\__/| .~ ~. (213) 465-7951 USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Neu Date: 23 Apr 1997 16:53:41 -0700 > Sister Ray Records > Berwick Street (Pronounced 'Be - rick) > London > W1 Sister Ray (an excellent shop BTW) have a website: https://www.point4.com:8883/ you can even order stuff on-line. Jon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Subject: (kw) EMI Metalbox Remix Rumor Date: 23 Apr 1997 13:19:56 -0400 Has anyone heard any more information regarding the proposed (?) EMI "Metalbox" Kraftwerk remix 12" set? Is this official or is it yet another rumor? Also, will there still be a Kraftwerk single released the week of the Tribal Gathering? (Or is this simply rumor #24,233,412,089) BTW: Has anyone heard the Kraftwerk REMAKE RED or REMAKE BLUE 12" listed at http://www.hotstuff.se? Are they any good? Thanks. -John # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) 'Ralf & Florian' CD bootlegs. Date: 23 Apr 1997 15:53:06 -0400 Hello all. As far as I know, there are two somewhat common bootlegs of the 'Ralf & Florian' album that have been pressed on CD. On is the Germanofon bootleg with the illustration of Duesseldorf by the Rhein on the cover, and the other is the one with the actual front cover from the LP intact. According to one discography, the Germanofon issue contains the better sound quality. I was just wondering if anyone out here owns the other one, and how's the sound on it? Furthermore, does the non-Germanofon one also contain the musicomix illustrations from the original vinyl LP as well? -- Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Ananas Symphonie...Ananas Symphonie..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Winner Subject: (kw) Theremin & Kraftwerk Date: 23 Apr 1997 16:26:03 -0500 I know Kraftwerk used a Theremin on Radio Activity, but could someone please tell me any other Kraftwerk/Theremin info? It seems like Kraftwerk liked the "retro-tech" look & feel of Theremin's world. Does anyone know? THANKS, -Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ZAWREL Johann / GFW Subject: (kw) Articel Date: 24 Apr 1997 06:11:00 +0200 There is a nice 2 page article about Kraftwerk in the Apr./May 97 issue of the 'Jockey Slut' magazine, Johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: (kw) another kw thread on www Date: 24 Apr 1997 11:19:01 +0200 Hi, For french-language list members it may be interesting to visit http://www.virgin.fr/virgin/html/cyber/tnt/figures/kraftwerk/tkraft.html it's a small thread about Kraftwerk on the french web site of Virgin. Nothing really new, they also talk about TG97 and an album that was programmed for april... The page is a part of entire web magazine about techno music and his history, all in french. Look at http://www.virgin.fr/virgin/html/cyber/tnt/tnt.html Don't know if they've done it in english as well... Have Fun! Tim -- Timour JGENTI ____|_____________________________ ____________ | timour.jgenti@ifp.fr ______ | | http://home.pages.de/~interspace/ | | | http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus Fjellström Subject: (kw) Future Music Date: 24 Apr 1997 15:08:21 +0100 Hello, beloved people. As I subscribe to Future Music I get the "Subs Club" page every month with the issue. The page contained a somewhat suggestive note about something for Werkers in FM57 - the next issue (June). As I'd poked about with FM (Future Music), trying to get them to do a profile on Kraftwerk, of course I contacted Andy Jones - editor of FM - to ask what they really meant. This is the nice part: Yes, next issue WILL CONTAIN A PROFILE ON KRAFTWERK (FINALLY)!!! Sadly enough, it will be an old interview - they bought it from another magazine - but nevertheless, it's Kraftwerk. In the next number of FM. ----- By the way, eminent record mailorder company Hot Stuff (Sweden) has told us that according to Emi there may (notice MAY) be an EP-release by Kraftwerk before summer, containing new material. And, a new album is said to be released possibly this fall. How about that? ------- Well, well. As I'm a poor music student living on an existance minimum I can NOT afford flying to England to see Kraftwerk. Darn. (Beleive me, I'm really miserable) But, I hope sombeody out there has the sence to bring a portable DAT recorder and a good mic to bootleg the performance. Make a CD, and sell it... 'til next time, may everybody live real prosperous lives! Love, Marcus. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Original 'T.E.E.' cover. Date: 24 Apr 1997 13:25:38 -0400 As we all know, the front cover of the 'Trans-Europe Express' album in the U.S. contains a different picture than the German release that came before, as the images got switched. The cover of the U.S. version is the J. Stara (paris) image that shows the group (from left to right): Wolfgang, Karl, Florian, and Ralf. To the best of my knowledge, the original cover was supposed to be the Maurice Seymour (new york) image of the band posing in front of a curtain in the following order: Karl, Florian (standing w/music note on lapel), Ralf (sitting below Florian), and Wolfgang. My question is, was this original cover photo for the LP in color or black & white? I know that this photo has been very much touched up with color in some versions of the record (like the Cleopatra cd re-issue), but as the original German vinyl front cover, which way was it? -- Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "We step out...and take a walk through the city..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Pilgrim Subject: (kw) New KW Songs Date: 25 Apr 1997 08:51:01 -0700 Tape the concert!!! Even if their new CD is not out due to delays, they will certainly play new material at the concert. Logic ;) Philip -- Philip Pilgrim The Lab Audio Works 5 Evan's Drive - Analog/Digital Recording/Processing Hammonds Plains - Acoustic Analysis and Consulting Nova Scotia, Canada - Analog Synth Modification and Repair B4B 1M8 - Computer/Synth Interfacing - Hardware/Software Development Home Phone +1.902.835.7844 Work Phone +1.902.868.2400 Home: pilgrim@atcon.com Work: ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "SP Multimedia" Subject: Re: (kw) Future Music Date: 25 Apr 1997 12:44:03 +0300 > But, I hope sombeody out there has the sence to > bring a portable DAT recorder and a good mic to bootleg the performance. > Make a CD, and sell it... > You went too far in this topic here, I think. You better wait for the official KW CD. Tomaso. ----SP Multimedia------------ tom@szathmari.com http://www.szathmari.com/spmm Please update your addressbook # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rotsztain Subject: (kw) TEE Date: 25 Apr 1997 21:55:55 -0400 Does anyone know where I can get a German copy of Trans Europe Express - one with the beautiful full size colour poster? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jeremy -- ************************************************************************ Frequency #1 Interviews with Jim O'Rourke, Jessamine, Trans Am, Silver Apples, the Rachel's, Six Finger Satellite, Analogue, and Slow Loris. Articles on the Cosmic Jokers, and the Moog as well as lots of reviews. Available as of April 20th for 3 dollars ppd. 28 Tarbert Rd, Willowdale, Ontario, Canada M2M 2Y2 cheques to Jeremy Rotsztain frequency@poboxes.com ************************************************************************ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rotsztain Subject: (kw) Exceller8 Date: 25 Apr 1997 22:00:57 -0400 I went record shopping today found myself a copy of a very funny record. It's called "exceller8" - "the best of Kraftwerk". Its on Mercury and has this horrible drawing of an empty highway. There's an obvious driving theme. The song list is as follows: Ruckzack Autobahn (assumingly edited to leave space for other songs) Tongebirge Kristallo "Comet Melody 2" Klingklang Vom Himmel Hoch Stratovarius Does anybody know the year it was released and if there are many around? Thanks, Jeremy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ra Subject: Re: (kw) Exceller8 Date: 25 Apr 1997 20:22:09 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Jeremy Rotsztain wrote: > I went record shopping today found myself a copy of a very funny record. > It's called "exceller8" - "the best of Kraftwerk". Its on Mercury and > Does anybody know the year it was released and if there are many around? > Thanks, Jeremy I have it, but not handy to look for a date. The record store I bought it from here in Calgary (Canada) had two or three copies at the time, and I recently saw at least one more copy at another used record store. /*--------------------------------------+---------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre | Contents 55.8% nerd, 89% pure. | | lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Myers-Briggs product type INXJ | | http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | Celia Green is right! | *--------------------------------------+---------------------------------*/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "SP Multimedia" Subject: Re: (kw) Future Music Date: 25 Apr 1997 12:44:03 +0300 > But, I hope sombeody out there has the sence to > bring a portable DAT recorder and a good mic to bootleg the performance. > Make a CD, and sell it... > You went too far in this topic here, I think. You better wait for the official KW CD. Tomaso. ----SP Multimedia------------ tom@szathmari.com http://www.szathmari.com/spmm Please update your addressbook # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk webring Date: 28 Apr 1997 10:18:04 +0200 (MST) I put up a Kraftwerk webring at www.webring.org this morning. Due to the fact that five websites per ring are needed to get listed in the ring index, nothing appears there so far. Anybody who has a Kraftwerk related web page and wants to join the ring can e-mail me, and I will add him. Later, when the ring has more than five web sites, the Kraftwerk ring will be listed in the ring index at www.webring.org, and anybody can add/remove his site by himself. The URL of the (interim) home page of the Kraftwerk ring is: http://home.pages.de/~kraftwerk the ring ID is simply kraftwerk. Actually I am the ring master, but any helpers for administration or putting up a nice ring logo etc. pp. are welcome. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBOT" Subject: (kw) #Kraftwerk Chat Date: 28 Apr 1997 11:26:09 -0700 Guten Tag, alles! So- I'm IN the #Kraftwerk room, but, no one else is there, so, I go = check my Email or something for a few minutes, come back, and someone's = been there and left too fast for me to catch them. *ARGH* I don't know = how "Bots" WERK, -(imagine ME saying that!)-, so, how can I tell = IMMEDIATELY when someone else joins the Channel? Otherwise, it takes a = coupla minutes for me to respond, and they've already split. -(I have to = pop in & out of different windows)-. FRUSTRATION. I'm on usually every = morning around 10 or 11am PDT -(GMT - 7 hours)-, at the suggested = "Universal" Meeting Time, but, I can hardly ever find anybody. Could we = maybe "meet" once a week, atleast, say, on Sundays when rates are low? = -(For those who must pay for Long-Distance rates.... I hope I don't get = any "surprises" on MY phone bill!)- Any other suggestions? "I give you my affection and I give you my time, just to get a = connection on my CPU line...." ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) 'Autobahn' at HMV. Date: 28 Apr 1997 16:16:15 -0400 Hi folks. I was browsing in a few of the record stores here in NYC today, and I noticed that one of the HMV Records locations was carrying the imported German 'Autobahn' cd (EMI CDP 7 46153-2). I recall that a while back some people on this list mentioned that they were unable to find 'Autobahn' on CD, so I just thought I'd pass that info along. I believe HMV were asking $30 for the import. Furthermore, HMV were also carrying the Japanese import re-issue of 'Computer World' with the bonus "Dentaku" track. This item was being sold at around $40. I myself am in the market trying to track down a copy of the German language version of 'Electric Cafe' on CD (EMI CDP 7 46420-2). If anyone knows of a place on-line or otherwise that has this item, please let me know. Thanks. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) Exceller8 Date: 29 Apr 1997 09:27:17 -0700 > Does anybody know the year it was released and if there are many around? > Thanks, Jeremy 1975, it's on Vertigo so they're probably quite common. I paid 10 quid for mine. It's in good condition for a 20-year-old album but I wouldn't pay much more than that unless it were mint. best, Jon. Jon Alsbury 'by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) More "Remake" Maxis Date: 29 Apr 1997 18:38:04 +0200 (DFT) In addition to the "Remake Red" and Remake Blue" Maxi singles I've spotted yellow and green versions today. One of them was labelled with "Computerkraft" (handwritten), the other one was completely unlabelled. Does anyone have any information about the content of these two 12" singles? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Harmonia and NEU! re-releases? Date: 29 Apr 1997 18:30:29 +0200 (DFT) I'm reading in Musikexpress 5/1997 that Polygram, having obtained the rights on the Brain label, plans to re-release the old Brain albums from Harmonia and NEU! on CD. I thought that Klaus Dinger holds currently the rights for a CD publication of the old NEU! material?? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Harmonia and NEU! re-releases? Date: 29 Apr 1997 18:30:29 +0200 (DFT) I'm reading in Musikexpress 5/1997 that Polygram, having obtained the rights on the Brain label, plans to re-release the old Brain albums from Harmonia and NEU! on CD. I thought that Klaus Dinger holds currently the rights for a CD publication of the old NEU! material?? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Beck's "The New Pollution" Date: 29 Apr 1997 20:14:45 +0200 (DFT) Not a brandnew release, but I believe that it wasn't mentioned here before: The promo video for Beck's "The New Pollution" (incl. Kraftwerk parody) was released as a CD-ROM-track on the self-titled CD single (limited edition, catalogue number: GED-22245). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Other Music: a store in NYC Date: 29 Apr 1997 21:09:50 EDT on the recommendation of a friend, I checked out this store, on 4th & B'way, across the street from Tower Records. Guess what? Besides the domestic releases, they have the German editions as well as the pre-"Autobahn" albums! The old joints are the Germanophon bootlegs--they look kinda cheesy if you ask me; they looked like they were xeroxed from the original album covers. BTW, are "KW" and "KW2" supposed to have nearly the same cover? They each have the road work cone, except one is green and the other one's red. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rotsztain Subject: Re: (kw) Other Music: a store in NYC Date: 30 Apr 1997 01:02:36 -0400 Other music is absolutely fantastic. Its my first stop when I get into NYC. They have all of the mentioned below plus loads of krautrock. Adults Crash (on Avenue A in NYC)carries the germafon cds at really cheap prices- sometimes about 17 us - they have some sort of direct ordering deal. The first two KWs cost some 35 Canadian (27 US or so) in local stores. Jeremy Adam Schefflan wrote: > on the recommendation of a friend, I checked out this store, on 4th & > B'way, across the street from Tower Records. Guess what? Besides the > domestic releases, they have the German editions as well as the > pre-"Autobahn" albums! The old joints are the Germanophon bootlegs--they > look kinda cheesy if you ask me; they looked like they were xeroxed from > the original album covers. BTW, are "KW" and "KW2" supposed to have > nearly the same cover? They each have the road work cone, except one is green and the other one's red. Peace. -- ************************************************************************ Frequency #1 Interviews with Jim O'Rourke, Jessamine, Trans Am, Silver Apples, the Rachel's, Six Finger Satellite, Analogue, and Slow Loris. Articles on the Cosmic Jokers, and the Moog as well as lots of reviews. Available as of April 20th for 3 dollars ppd. 28 Tarbert Rd, Willowdale, Ontario, Canada M2M 2Y2 cheques to Jeremy Rotsztain frequency@poboxes.com ************************************************************************ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J P M Subject: (kw) Rheingold Date: 29 Apr 1997 20:02:29 +0000 Has anyone ever seen any Rheingold CD's or Vinyl. -- Jason....... JPM The Pygmy Taxi Corp http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/ Vocod'o'rama http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/VOCODER/vocolist.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: RE: (kw) More "Remake" Maxis Date: 30 Apr 1997 11:50:49 +-100 All this talk of the 'Remake' singles and yet no-one has replied to my = previous message on the two records I purchased from HMV in Oxford = Street, London! I purchased two 12 inch records, both have the same tracks, one each = side of the vinyl, but one pressing is on red vinyl, and the other is on = a pink marble vinyl. There is no label on the vinyl, or any writing on = the cover, only what HMV stuck on the sleeve itself. The HMV label = reads, 'Kraftwerk - Radio Activity'. Is this record one of the 'Remake' twelves? If so then the pink marble = one must be new to the colour list! Regards, Craig. ---------- Sent: 29 April 1997 19:38 Cc: Klaus Zaepke In addition to the "Remake Red" and Remake Blue" Maxi singles I've=20 spotted yellow and green versions today. One of them was labelled with =20 "Computerkraft" (handwritten), the other one was completely unlabelled. Does anyone have any information about the content of these two 12"=20 singles? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Other Music: a store in NYC Date: 30 Apr 1997 09:13:18 -0400 >Other music is absolutely fantastic. Its my first stop when I get into >NYC. They have all of the mentioned below plus loads of krautrock. I'd just like to second that sentiment regarding "Other Music". It's a terrific place to go when shopping for import/dance/trance/ambient/electro stuff. By the time I had discovered "Other Music", I had already owned my copies of the Germanofon bootlegs for years, but I must say that this store was instrumental in enabling me to get hold of every German language version of the other KW cd's with the exception of 'Electric Cafe', which even they were unable to receive despite the fact that they had placed an order for it. (I gotta find that one here somewhere!) "Other Music" regularly stocks titles by artists discusses here on this list like Kraftwerk, Neu, Stockhausen, and so forth. In addition, they have an eclectic collection of dance/trance/techno/ambient cds and 12" vinyl, as well as a regular pop/rock section too for more mainstream tastes. -- Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "We step out...and take a walk through 'Other Music'..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ninja Subject: (kw) Electric Cafe in Spanish Date: 30 Apr 1997 16:51:56 +0200 Hy all, Does anybody know if a fully-Spanish-version of Electric Cafe actually exists? Thanks, Phuture # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Havok24@aol.com Subject: (kw) CDNow - ordering kw online! Date: 30 Apr 1997 11:59:42 -0400 (EDT) perhaps many of you have already found this site (in the us) but i thouhgt i would bring it to the list's attention. CDnow at http://www.cdnow.com they specialize in cds and video (cassettes too). you can actually order kw1, kw2, and the ever elusive ralph & florian releases on cd format from them. they carry a surprisingly wide and varied collection of music as well. the site is very well organized and automatically lists relative artists based on your searches (even has real audio sound bytes and cover art for select items). i recommend this site to everyone! i've already spent a fortune on cds that i haven't been able to find anywhere else (locally or abroad!). go, look, see, BUY! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Electric Cafe in Spanish Date: 30 Apr 1997 13:01:26 -0400 >Does anybody know if a fully-Spanish-version of Electric Cafe actually exists? Nope, to the best of my knowledge the only one that exists is the Spanish release of 'Electric Cafe' which is essentially just the English version plus "Sex Object" sung in Spanish. -- Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Sample alert... Date: 30 Apr 1997 15:42:02 EDT For anyone still collating all the many and varied instances of Kraftwerk samples that abound currently... David Bowie's latest single, 'Dead Man Walking', contains a remix of same which utilises a sample from 'Tour De France'; 'Dead Man Walking' (This One's Not Dead Yet Remix) (6:28) Track 4 on the regular UK CD single release; RCA, 74321475852 Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Mouse on Mars/Yamo involvement Date: 30 Apr 1997 15:42:31 EDT The latest issue of the UK magazine 'The Wire' contains an article on the Cologne music scene. Amongst the artists covered are the excellent Mouse on Mars. A small portion of the text discusses their involvement with Wolfgang Fluer's 'Yamo' project; (... following a pre-amble about the bands accessability to social models...) "Their hospitality is the main reason why there was precious little Mouse On Mars product available last year. First, they got involved in a disastrous film soundtrack which was shelved for being, well, too Mouse On Mars for Hollywood. Then they somehow found themselves recording an album with Kraftwerk's Wolfgang Fluer. They still appear shellshocked after that one. "He brought us to collapse," says Jan (Werner), wincing at the memory. "I think we all met at a level of what we call Schlager [crass pop hits] in Germany. Not even Easy Listening, more like Easy Thinking". They needn't be so quick to disown the project, which has been released in Germany on the Harvest label as 'Time Flies' (sic) by Yamo - the slower tracks contain some genuinely ravishing techno-pop moments. But I can understand their dissatisfaction with Fluer's lyrics. As if to wipe out the experience, they've just had Stereolab's Laetitia Sadia in the studio to record the 'Cache Couer Naif' EP for early summer release." From 'The Wire', issue 159, May 1997 Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Other Music: a store in NYC Date: 30 Apr 1997 22:38:02 EDT Best part: they have billions of CDs on the Fax label--the original flavor German limited editions!!!! >>> 'Dead Man Walking' (This One's Not Dead Yet Remix) (6:28) Track 4 on the regular UK CD single release; RCA, 74321 47585-2 <<< In the US, on Virgin/EMI, catalog # unavailable at this time. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender.