From: Thomas Bieler Subject: (kw) Re: The Mix Date: 01 Feb 1997 01:58:04 +0100 (MET) > I think the fun part is this change of opinion in "stop radioactivity" > That's clear progress. Aaaarrghh! Pleeaaase think about it! How can anybody say that Radioactivity is a positive song? It sounds so -hm- depressed and melancholic. Just like many people feel about being confronted with this mad technology by businessmen without scruple. Please, please go to the lyrics archive and read the transscript of 'News'. I think it was for people like you that they made their point (even) more obvious in the 1991 version. And - lbnl - please don't take this personal. I just can't see people thinking so totally wrong about this song and Kraftwerk as a whole. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) News from Japan about new album. Date: 01 Feb 1997 22:34:09 +0900 Dear Kraftwerkers, Computerworld is finally re-issued for Japan, and many stores already have it since 29/Jan. TOCP-8974 from Toshiba EMI, 2500 yen. A bad news is, that it has only eight tracks, omitting two versions of "Tour de France." Dentaku (Japanized version of Pocket Calculator) does exist as a bonus track. Regarding their brand-new work, a shop said that it's postponed "due to artist-side problem." This is a reply of a CD shop "Virgin Megastore Kyoto", when a friend of mine asked about it. He also heard that no fixed plan is given yet. How kraftwerkish! Aaugh. I wrote another query email to Toshiba EMI, again to make sure that they're silent. Only hope to me is, that www.kraftwerk.com is constantly updated at least in its time stamp. At 18:43 31/Jan/1997 JST, Manno Toshikazu wrote: >Song list > > 1.Computer World > 2.Pocket Calculator > 3.Numbers > 4.Computer World 2 > 5.Computer love > 6.Home Computer > 7.It's more fun to Computer > 8.Dentaku ('Pocket Calculator'Japanese Version) > 9.Tour de France >10.Tour de France(Instrumental) Tracks 1 thru 8 are for real. 9 and 10 are cancelled. (Aaugh) Ciao, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess <101451.3333@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: (kw) Re: The Mix Date: 01 Feb 1997 12:24:15 EST >Pleeaaase think about it! How can anybody say that Radioactivity is a >positive song? It sounds so -hm- depressed and melancholic. Kraftwerk has always been ahead of time, concernig contents of their music. The reduction of content in their artwork, that is, what it is about. In my opinion, their work is art-work, nothing more, nothing less. Well, I have the original lyrics printed on the inner sleeves of the record and along with them came the great stickers "Radio Aktivitaet". Stuff like that is called concept art. READ the lyrics that feature themes like Radioaktivitaet and Uranium and tell me what's meant by that. So why do expect them to do a political statement in their music. Why does everything have to be political?! I think their concert at Sellafield was political, bit I would not have watched them, because of the sickness to build power plants... The reason to go there would, of course, have been to listen to Kraftwerk, even if there are more important things than music. (some might doubt and I can understand this...) >And - lbnl - please don't take this personal. I just can't see people >thinking >so totally wrong about this song and Kraftwerk as a whole. Don't take it personal too, but i think political statements belonge to Joan Baez or Bob Dylan and I wouldn't want Kraftwerks new album to feature themes like the tax politic of Germany... regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Holmberg" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: The Mix Date: 02 Feb 1997 10:59:52 +0000 > Well, I have the original lyrics printed on the inner sleeves of the > record and along with them came the great stickers "Radio Aktivitaet". > Stuff like that is called concept art. > READ the lyrics that feature themes like Radioaktivitaet and Uranium and > tell me what's meant by that. Well, as far as I can tell, KW made a statement against radioactivity as early as in 1981. Listen to the version of Radioactivity on _Computertour_: it seems that they sing "Stop Radioactivity" in the German verse, doesn't it? /Gustav # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: voorn@mivo.xs4all.nl (Michel Voorn) Subject: (kw) New Kraftwerk CD Date: 02 Feb 1997 16:15:00 +0100 Hello All, What about the new CD ? Is it going to be released or not ? A Dutch record store in Amsterdam, called Fame, have announced the new CD to be released soon, but here I read messages it's not going to be released. Sorry for my possible bad English. Greetings Michel -- ************************************************** * Internet/E-mail: voorn@mivo.xs4all.nl * * Homepage : http://www.xs4all.nl/~voorn * * BBS (MIVO) : +31 79 3318427 * ************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Hegymegi-Kiss Subject: (kw) The New Album? Date: 03 Feb 1997 00:46:19 +0100 Dear Friends, Sorry if the question has been answered already but I am new on this list. Could somebody give my any information about the (new) album scheduled for the 29 January 1997? Thank you very much! Paul HEGYMEGI-KISS __________________________________________ HOMEPAGE: http://www.pratique.fr/~phegymeg E-MAIL: phegymeg@pratique.fr __________________________________________ Paris - FRANCE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Manno Toshikazu Subject: Re: (kw) News from Japan about new album. Date: 03 Feb 1997 09:33:36 +900 (JST) Hello all Kraftwerk fans This is Manno form Japan. Sorry, This information is not true. I've seen this CD in shop. > I'll tell you the new(?) CD from Japan. > It's form 'CD Journal' > > Title: Computer World > CD No.:TOCP-8474 > Price:2,500yen > Release date:21th .Jan (It has been postponed?) 27.Jan is true date. > Song list > > 1.Computer World > 2.Pocket Calculator > 3.Numbers > 4.Computer World 2 > 5.Computer love > 6.Home Computer > 7.It's more fun to Computer > (Computer wa boku no omocha) > 8.Dentaku ('Pocket Calculator'Japanese Version) Just 8 tracks. X > 9.Tour de France X > 10.Tour de France(Instrumental) Tour de France is not included. It is writen on this CD that 'Dentaku' is first released on world-wide. This CD is on sale all over the world, isn't it ? Thank you Manno Toshikazu manno@kenwood.co.jp # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Japanese "Computer World" Date: 02 Feb 1997 22:26:41 EST >>> Tour de France is not included. It is written on this CD that 'Dentaku' is first released on world-wide. This CD is on sale all over the world, isn't it? <<< The US version, "Computer World" (Warner Bros. 23549), was first released 1981. Rights for KW's WEA-distributed albums switched to Elektra in 1988, but, for some reason, a few years after "The Mix," Warner Bros. versions of the WEA albums, except for "Autobahn," are available. "Dentaku" has never been available in the US except for the version on "The Mix." Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Space" Subject: (kw) (KW) rhythm patterns Date: 03 Feb 1997 12:48:07 +0200 Hy Kw experts! Could somebody answer where the rhythm world of kw come from ? I think it was a new line that time, and it influences dance, electonic music to this day. Tamas 10000010 00000000 10000010 00100100 bd 00001000 00001000 00001000 00001011 sd 10111011 10111111 10111011 10111111 ? :---^-----------------: :--/^\--Space Project-: :-/SPM\---Multimedia--: :---------------------: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Die Roboter Rubato" Date: 03 Feb 1997 14:22:49 +0000 "Die Roboter Rubato" by Terre Thaemlitz is now out on Mille Plateaux. Format: CD. Catalogue number: EFA 00684-2. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: D.KRSIC@ZAMIR-ZG.ZTN.APC.ORG (Dejan Krsic) Subject: (kw) KWLive Date: 03 Feb 1997 01:05:26 +0200 Klaus Zaepke said: *But just standing there and looking at the machines is exactly what they do during their concerts, isn't it? Or is it sufficient to qualify as "live" if they press a button once every three minutes or so, as they did during their 1993 concerts?* Unfortunately I have never seen any KW concert, but I have seen lot of bands doing playback performances (from computer/sequencer or even DAT) and just adding the vocals; and I have read lot of KW interviews or txts about them, that it seems obvious to me that they do something else! Remember their whole story/ideology about *we are playing studio* and *now we can bring whole studio on tour with us!* It seems to me that SHALTWERK is just the tool that enables them to worl *live* with sequenced parts. We have to remember that with whole house/techno/rave (as well as hip hop) scene whole concept of playing has radically changed! In 60s DJ were standing by, changing records, today DJs mix, scratch, make loops, samples... they are *playing*, creating music, without actually *playing* music instruments in the old fashioned way! KW are surely much closer to that concept tent to Hendrix/Emerson/Wakeman concept of virtuoso player! As for *music remained exactly the same* part, friend of mine saw them in London and Linz (on Ars Electronica) on The Mix tour, and explicitly said that those were two radically different concerts. London was on the beginning of the tour, with 2 new members, and Linz somewhere at the end and he said that it was obvious how they became better connected as *band*! As for www.kraftwerk.com I think its one of the best if not The Best site on the Web! Pure medium, pure information! Very KW anyway! Even if I always got *system error - unimlemented trap* response after loading the sound! Is it possible that one needs some special soundcard to her that sound? That seems quite stupid, and I wouldnt expect it from somebody like KW, even if their Webmaster is to blame! Im using PowerMac 6100, Netscape 3.01 with RealAudio, Maczilla etc. plug-ins. Dejan Krsic Arkzin http://www.arkzin.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) EMI Press Advert Date: 03 Feb 1997 15:08:48 +0100 (NFT) The current issue of the German magazine Musik-Woche (03.02.1997) contains a two-paged advert from EMI Electrola / Spin Records with a list of some of the new releases scheduled for this year, including a new Kraftwerk album. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oscar van der velde Subject: (kw) ***INTRODUCTION*** Date: 03 Feb 1997 14:58:52 +0000 Hello Kraftwerkers! This is my first posting since I joined this list in October! Not very good from me. But it happens often that mailinglist-digests mess up (no enter's). I think it's a problem from my mail system. I'm Oscar van der Velde from the Netherlands and I am 20 years old. When I was 11 years old I listened to the "Synthesizer Greatest" tapes from the label Arcade, on which the pieces are not originals, but played after. Then I heard a Kraftwerk-special on the German radio "Radio FFN". They had interviews en music, they played the German versions! (Wir sind die Roboter..." for example). A few months later I copied tapes from a friend, and when I had a stereo installation I bought my first CD, The Mix. Now I have almost everything from Kraftwerk, some on CD, some on tape. I have some German version too (the track Computerwelt is much better than Computerworld!). They are different, compare for example Pocket Calculator & Taschenrechner. Or Computerliebe & Computerlove. Especially the end is not similar! May 25th 1993 I went to the Kraftwerk concert in Groningen, Holland. They played many tracks with an other beat (from "Numbers", but heavier!) Even the Model had this beat! And Tour de France too (I want to have this track!!!). Before the concert had begun, a strange sound/melody was playing (for at least a quarter of an hour). It seemed like a kind of fractal melody. In Pocket Calculator, Ralf(?) gave his music making "calculator" to someone of the fan's, and said: "Everybody can play computer music!" They played the Mix version, but he sang it as on Computerworld, with his voice pitching up at the end of calculatOr. In summer 1995 I heard some rappers rapping on the Man Machine! Does anyone know by who it was? Now we're talking about the Mix, I don't like listening the Mix-version of Autobahn after just heard the original version! The mix version is a bit dull. The tracks are too "dance"-cy. Home computer is hypnotic (and my ears start to ... (I don't know the English word, Dutch: kriebelen, German: kitzeln). Other artists I like are: Enigma Enya Tangerine Dream (listen for example to Ricochet, but they have much crap too!) The Prodigy Vangelis U96 Dire Straits Metallica The Offspring In daily life I'm a student meteorology (at Wageningen Agricultural University, Holland). I like websurfing/building :-) Greetings to all! Oscar van der Velde Oscar.vanderVelde@95.student.wau.nl http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2077 (my meteo website!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) KWLive Date: 03 Feb 1997 15:43:26 +0100 (NFT) On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Dejan Krsic wrote: > Klaus Zaepke said: *But just standing there and looking at the > machines is exactly what they do during their concerts, isn't it? Or is > it sufficient to qualify as "live" if they press a button once every > three minutes or so, as they did during their 1993 concerts?* > Unfortunately I have never seen any KW concert, but I have seen lot of > bands doing playback performances (from computer/sequencer or even > DAT) and just adding the vocals; and I have read lot of KW interviews > or txts about them, that it seems obvious to me that they do > something else! Well, I have seen them live a couple of times, and I stay with my claim that they don't do much else on stage instead of pressing a few buttons now and then (once every three minutes or so), especially during their 1993 concerts. Having also read lots of Kraftwerk interviews, it seems obvious to me that Ralf Huetter often speaks a lot of nonsense. His claims are often self-contradicting and should be regarded as promo-babbling, not as the actual truth. > We have to remember that with whole house/techno/rave (as well as hip > hop) scene whole concept of playing has radically changed! That's true, but the question is if this new concept is still a *live* concept. > As for *music remained exactly the same* part, friend of mine saw > them in London and Linz (on Ars Electronica) on The Mix tour, and > explicitly said that those were two radically different concerts. I disagree. They played exactly the same songs (with only one exception), in exactly the same running order. The songs themselves were almost identical, with only very few exceptions. ("Tour de France", "Musique non stop" and "Radioaktivitaet" had new intro's in Linz, there was no live drumming left and some of the songs were edited. Also, the improvised parts were even further reduced in Linz. These were the only important differences, as far as I remember.) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess <101451.3333@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: (kw) ***INTRODUCTION*** Date: 03 Feb 1997 10:02:54 EST >Ralf(?) gave his music making "calculator" to someone >of the fan's, and said: "Everybody can play computer music!" He said the same in Munich on the Mix tour... Now, that's spontanous?! Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de (Thomas Weckert) Subject: (kw) Bartos announced new KWK album Date: 03 Feb 1997 12:03:01 +0100 I was listening to WDR radio yesterday afternoon while I made my homework, and there was a short interview with Karl Bartos. When the speech came to his Kraftwerk period, he stated that the new Kraftwerk album is in the last stage and will soon be released. Bartos also said, "that he is now hired for another group", whatever this means. Another short note was on Saturday in D"usseldorf's newspaper "Rheinische Pest", that they are working on new material which will be released in this year's spring/summer. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tributes Date: 03 Feb 1997 14:27:58 +0100 > "Trancewerk Express vol.I: A Tribute to Kraftwerk" is a collection of 10 > covers by various artists plus an intro track with decent vocoder effects. > In my personal opinion, the tracks are a decent tribute but pale in > comparison to actual Kraftwerk. They lean more toward Ambient than Techno > or Techno-Pop, and end up sounding like soft Trance. I just got this Tribute too. Indeed it's not too bad, very interesting to hear how they've adapted KW into Techno, but the sounds and mixes are quite poor, too many tb303 acid sounds and tr303-like drums with quite classical techno rythms... And i don't think these tracks are Ambient, except "Autobahn" and "Intro". Sound more like a strong techno or the early melodic trance. And finally it seemed to me a bit too "english spoken"... how to say, it should be more international as Kraftwerk is. By the way, when buying that CD I asked the guy of the record store (fnac, les halles, Paris) about the new album and he said that there's something in sight, but probably not before April/May, yet there IS something so perhaps the 29th january release date was simply delayed, let's hope... Tim -- Timour JGENTI, Institut Francais du Petrole __ __ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr "...he said we come from the third planet, __ http://www.mygale.org/00/timlcf/ he said we come from Earth..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats Kadmark Subject: (kw) KW-theme? Date: 03 Feb 1997 15:14:25 MET Hi! 1. - Does anyoone have a Kraftwerk-theme for Windows95? - Would be well cool! 2. - Do you think that the Kraftwerk members read this mailing list? I mean it's not impossible as they ought to have computers and ought to be curious about people are discussing about them. See you later! Mats mats.kadmark@silver.stat.gu.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j.carter@juno.com (Jeff C Carter) Subject: Re: (kw) KW-theme? Date: 03 Feb 1997 14:42:30 EST >2. - Do you think that the Kraftwerk members read this mailing list? > I mean it's not impossible as they ought to have computers and >ought > to be curious about people are discussing about them. What if they did subscribe to this list? Would we still communicate with each other or ONLY to them? Jeff. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBOT Subject: (kw) ROBOT back On-Line Date: 03 Feb 1997 12:20:50 -0800 Hallelujah! It WERKS! Dear Fellow KRAFTWERK Lovers! I'm back On-Line and REsubcribed to the Mail List, etc. It appears I can receive Email addressed in upper OR lower case, but, the server reregistered me in lower case. whatever. I still have my K-philes if anyone wants them. Greetings to NEW List Members! 'gotta run.... Please keep in touch! ROBOT@wcinet.net -(IF it bounces, try lower case.)- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Ra) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk tributes Date: 03 Feb 1997 14:59:27 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Timour JGENTI wrote: By the way, I was mistaken about the other album in my post. I mixed up the title and group. It's actually "Electric Dimension" by Kraftwelt. I've since found another CD by Kraftwelt but I haven't listened to it yet. > > "Trancewerk Express vol.I: A Tribute to Kraftwerk" is a collection of 10 > > covers by various artists plus an intro track with decent vocoder effects. > > In my personal opinion, the tracks are a decent tribute but pale in > > comparison to actual Kraftwerk. They lean more toward Ambient than Techno > > or Techno-Pop, and end up sounding like soft Trance. > > I just got this Tribute too. Indeed it's not too bad, very interesting > to hear how they've adapted KW into Techno, but the sounds and mixes are I wouldn't call it Techno. I'd place it somewhere between Ambient and Trance. > quite poor, too many tb303 acid sounds and tr303-like drums with quite > classical techno rythms... And i don't think these tracks are Ambient, Actually I didn't find the 303 samples as obvious as they are in most Techno. > how to say, it should be more international as Kraftwerk is. You're right about that. > in sight, but probably not before April/May, yet there IS something so > perhaps the 29th january release date was simply delayed, let's hope... I hate this. Rumors, rumors, news straight from the horse's orifice, but never a CD I can hold in my hands. When are we going to get a prediction that comes true? /*--------------------------------------+---------------------------------* | Soleil "Ra" Lapierre | Contents 55.8% nerd, 89% pure. | | lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | Myers-Briggs product type INTJ | | http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~lapierrs | (formerly INFJ). | *--------------------------------------+---------------------------------*/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: (kw) KW and Aphex Date: 03 Feb 1997 15:03:48 -0800 WARNING: KIND OF OFF SUBJECT MESSAGE! Anyone heard the new Aphex Twin album (Richard D. James)? It is really good. I just wanted to say that the song "Fingerbib" sounds A LOT like a mid to late 70's Kraftwerk song. K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Hegymegi-Kiss Subject: (kw) New Album Info... Date: 04 Feb 1997 00:41:36 +0100 Dear Kraftwerk Friends, First of all thank you very much for the news. I am a "fresh" list member (since 2 days) and I have already had (via this list) a bunch of useful information about the new album so awaited by all of us. I cannot help to think that maybe we are the victims of a "Steven Spielberg like" marketing method: rumours & rumours (several months in advance) but nothing precise and correct. Let me put in my modest contribution: I have heard (in a well known parisian record store "Fnac - Italie"), a few days ago, about 3 Kraftwerk albums scheduled for the weeks to come: 1) Computerworld (extended with some -so far unreleased- tunes): this news seems to be correct (read our japanese friend's mail) 2) A "best of Kraftwerk": unverified so far... 3) THE NEW ALBUM with brand new releases. It was announced for the 29th January (even advertised in "Fnac Italie-Paris"). For the moment, we are waiting (and hoping) and we have to do so until who knows when... In the meanwhile let me ask you how you manage without new Kraftwerk songs. Do you know other, Kraftwerk like (if it can be possible!) music groups? Do you like techno? What kind of techno? Which group (and album) would you recommend? I hope that I didn't bother you too much! Thank you very much! Paul Paul HEGYMEGI-KISS ________________________________ http://www.pratique.fr/~phegymeg phegymeg@pratique.fr ________________________________ Paris - FRANCE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus Fjellström Subject: Re: (kw) The Mix #2 Date: 04 Feb 1997 09:31:21 +0100 > >>> In my opinion, The Mix in one of KW's two best albums - the other > being > Computer World. <<< > > I 'gree with that, but my other favorite KW album besides "The Mix" is > "Electric Cafe," naah mean? Why does everyone dis that one as well? It's > got the best beats. Yes! I cannot understand why people dislike Electric Café. I love it! It's great! It's probably their most avant-gardistik one... (?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Space" Subject: Re: (kw) KW-theme? Date: 04 Feb 1997 15:01:19 +0200 on Monday, February 03, 1997 9:42 PM you wrote: > > > >2. - Do you think that the Kraftwerk members read this mailing list? > > I mean it's not impossible as they ought to have computers and > >ought > > to be curious about people are discussing about them. > > What if they did subscribe to this list? Would we still communicate with > each other or ONLY to them? > > > Jeff. In my opinion: There are a lot of companies spending their money for expensive market research studies. I think, releasing kw cds is a business basically. So I am sure somebody checks this list from kw or emi staff as a cheapest and essential feedback of all kw issues. Or I'm wrong ???.... Tamas. :---^-----------------: : /^\ Space Project : : /SPM\ Multimedia : :---------------------: # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael_Nedeltscheff@northshore.k12.ny.us (Michael Nedeltscheff) Subject: Re: (kw) KW-theme? Date: 04 Feb 1997 11:22:32 -0400 you do get the theme, get it for me too. Windows 3.11, please! Noodle This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) KW-theme? Date: 04 Feb 1997 09:50:50 -0700 (MST) > There are a lot of companies spending their money for expensive market > research studies. I think, releasing kw cds is a business basically. So I > am sure somebody checks this list from kw or emi staff as a cheapest and > essential feedback of all kw issues. > > Or I'm wrong ???.... I think you're a littly nutty if you really believe this. :) When the major labels check out artist mailing lists, it's usually to weed out and trap bootleggers. There's the odd exception like Carl Caprioglio of Oglio Records, who actually goes places like the Dead or Alive and Men Without Hats lists to see what kinds of things people would like to see reissued, but he's the exception. Certainly nobody from EMI does this. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Pilgrim Subject: (kw) Elektropolis Date: 04 Feb 1997 18:03:44 -0800 Cool name I just heard. Maybe it is the new KW title....If not I may use it :) Philip -- Philip Pilgrim The Lab Audio Works 5 Evan's Drive - Analog/Digital Recording/Processing Hammonds Plains - Acoustic Analysis and Consulting Nova Scotia, Canada - Analog Synth Modification and Repair B4B 1M8 - Computer/Synth Interfacing - Hardware/Software Development Home Phone +1.902.835.7844 Work Phone +1.902.868.2400 Home: pilgrim@atcon.com Work: ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lloyd Subject: (kw) As of Yet Un-Named Album Date: 04 Feb 1997 19:43:31 -0500 So I took the plunge and ordered the un-named album from www.cdeurope.com. What have I gotten myself into? Any thoughts? When your pet bird sees you reading the newspaper, does he wonder why you're just sitting there, staring at carpeting? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Farki Subject: (kw) Guiding Ray Date: 05 Feb 1997 09:39:05 +0100 Hello ! Yesterday I bought the "YAMO - Guiding Ray" single. Track list: 1. Guiding Ray (radio edit) 4:31 2. Guiding Ray (remix by "The Bionaut") 4:25 3. Guiding Ray (original version) 7:35 This music is simple, but I like it. Somehow it reminds me the Radioactivity album. There isn't too much information on the CD (apart from the lyrics), so I've got some question : - Who is "The Bionaut" ? - Who's that man on the inner sleeve ? - What's your opinion about the Guiding Ray ? - Stereomatic is the same style ? Many thanks..... - Farki - novitax@mail.datanet.hu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: D.KRSIC@ZAMIR-ZG.ZTN.APC.ORG (Dejan Krsic) Subject: (kw) KWLive Date: 03 Feb 1997 01:05:26 +0200 Klaus Zaepke said: *But just standing there and looking at the machines is exactly what they do during their concerts, isn't it? Or is it sufficient to qualify as "live" if they press a button once every three minutes or so, as they did during their 1993 concerts?* Unfortunately I have never seen any KW concert, but I have seen lot of bands doing playback performances (from computer/sequencer or even DAT) and just adding the vocals; and I have read lot of KW interviews or txts about them, that it seems obvious to me that they do something else! Remember their whole story/ideology about *we are playing studio* and *now we can bring whole studio on tour with us!* It seems to me that SHALTWERK is just the tool that enables them to worl *live* with sequenced parts. We have to remember that with whole house/techno/rave (as well as hip hop) scene whole concept of playing has radically changed! In 60s DJ were standing by, changing records, today DJs mix, scratch, make loops, samples... they are *playing*, creating music, without actually *playing* music instruments in the old fashioned way! KW are surely much closer to that concept tent to Hendrix/Emerson/Wakeman concept of virtuoso player! As for *music remained exactly the same* part, friend of mine saw them in London and Linz (on Ars Electronica) on The Mix tour, and explicitly said that those were two radically different concerts. London was on the beginning of the tour, with 2 new members, and Linz somewhere at the end and he said that it was obvious how they became better connected as *band*! As for www.kraftwerk.com I think its one of the best if not The Best site on the Web! Pure medium, pure information! Very KW anyway! Even if I always got *system error - unimlemented trap* response after loading the sound! Is it possible that one needs some special soundcard to her that sound? That seems quite stupid, and I wouldnt expect it from somebody like KW, even if their Webmaster is to blame! Im using PowerMac 6100, Netscape 3.01 with RealAudio, Maczilla etc. plug-ins. Dejan Krsic Arkzin http://www.arkzin.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thilo Mezger Subject: Re: (kw) Guiding Ray Date: 05 Feb 1997 17:17:10 +0100 (MET) On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Farki wrote: > - Who is "The Bionaut" ? The Bionaut is Jorg Burger from Cologne, Germany. See the archives, I've already posted a discography a few weeks ago when someone announced the Yamo release. So long! Thilo _________ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ Thilo.Mezger@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de |___ ___| | |_| | | | | | / _ \ http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ua5m/ | | | _ | | | | |___ ( (_) ) Stop Pollution - Create Eevolution |_| |_| |_| |_| |____| \___/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) As of Yet Un-Named Album Date: 05 Feb 1997 09:35:16 -0700 (MST) > So I took the plunge and ordered the un-named album from > www.cdeurope.com. What have I gotten myself into? Any thoughts? Long waits, endless unsuccessful trips to the mailbox, and ultimately, crushing disappointment. (Nothing personal, that's just how CDEurope works.) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) New Album Info... Date: 05 Feb 1997 20:41:43 +0100 (NFT) > 2) A "best of Kraftwerk": unverified so far... No, it was actually released a few weeks ago. It's a Japanese re-release of the self-titled Japanese CD from 1993, only with a new cover/booklet. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: (kw) Playing the Kraftwerk Site Sound Date: 05 Feb 1997 16:04:20 -0500 (EST) Does anyone know how to play the Kraftwerk web site sound on a Power Mac using RealAudio? I downloaded RealAudio but have no idea what to do with it, or how to interface it with AOL--haven't gotten around to fooling with it yet and if someone on the list could speed my way to instant gratification, I would be most indebted. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reticulum4@aol.com Subject: (kw) (Non Krftwrk) SEEKING SINGER in SF BAY AREA Date: 05 Feb 1997 20:05:44 -0500 (EST) Synthpop band in SF Bay area is seeking a singer to sing an album of songs already written. Indy CD soon. Looking for someone who is good at taking direction, someone flexible. We are comparable to Erasure, Red Flag, Anything Box...but with more of a techno/house influenced beat. Email if interested. Please send WAV and GIF if you have them. Thanks! Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) For real Date: 05 Feb 1997 21:29:54 EST I think this may be the real deal, fellow 'werkers! I had to go back upstate today to complete work for school (even though I've graduated) that's two years overdue. I stopped in Media Play in Poughkeepsie, and I saw on a board in the music department that was titled "coming soon" the word KRAFTWERK!!!! THIS is the year we've been waiting 11 years for! Can't wait! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reticulum4@aol.com Subject: (kw) I have Tour De France on CD Date: 05 Feb 1997 21:32:30 -0500 (EST) am I the only one on this list with an official (non-bootleg) copy of TDF on CD? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reticulum4@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) I have Tour De France on CD Date: 06 Feb 1997 00:11:42 -0500 (EST) <> It is on a rare german dance compilation called "DJs Best." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Rumours Endless Date: 06 Feb 1997 10:35:44 +0100 (NFT) Beam Me Up 2/1997 reports that Kraftwerk are supposed to have finished their new album. Allegedly they have already delivered the master tape to EMI, but EMI denied this vehemently. A similar note can be found in Groove 2-3/1997. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Farki Subject: (kw) YAMO-Guiding Ray (part Deux) Date: 06 Feb 1997 10:51:07 +0100 Hi.... Klaus wrote: > Is your copy a German pressing or is it from another country, and is it a > regular or a promo release? > Could you tell me the catalogue number, if possible? EMI Electrola 7243 8 62260 2 0 Made in Holland 1996 Emil Schult made the sleeve (his logo is on the cover). Two days ago I was searcing the Stereomatic CD in the Virgin Megastore (BTW the only VM in Hungary) and I found Guiding Ray (I was surprised too !) Maybe someone interested in the lyrics of the song: Give the world a guiding ray Travellers we are in space Universe is our place Finding out new sights and sounds Aliens from foreign towns Travellers that's we are Strangers on another star Raceman on a future way Give the world a guiding ray Travellers that's we are Strangers on another star Walk on planet and discover Hoping for a dream-lover Meeting artists every race Voice in space voice in space Give the world a guiding ray Other rooms and a milky street Satellites are where we meet Always looking for new sounds Funny faces from foreign towns Thilo, thanks for the Bionaut-info ! Bye............... - Farki - novitax@mail.datanet.hu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Justin Barrett Subject: Re: (kw) Playing the Kraftwerk Site Sound Date: 06 Feb 1997 06:53:10 -0800 At 04:04 PM 2/5/97 -0500, Spotnik@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone know how to play the Kraftwerk web site sound on a Power Mac >using RealAudio? To my knowledge, an external plugin like RealAudio is not necessary. When I go to the site, the sound just loads automatically and plays in the background using the EMBED tag, which is supported by both Netscape and IE. You mentioned that you are using AOL, and it's very likely that their browser does not recognize the EMBED tag. To my knowledge, the only other way you can hear the sound would be to enter the full path of the WAV file as the URL you want to access. Try this and see if it works: http://www.kraftwerk.com/klingklang.wav (This is assuming that AOL's Mac browser will let you hear WAV files...) -----------------Justin Barrett----------------- Owner: Dreamscape Productions Production Assistant: Northland Cable Television # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reticulum4@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) I have Tour De France on CD INFO Date: 06 Feb 1997 17:17:26 -0500 (EST) <> It's common knowledge....but I will tell you anyway for those who don't know... It is on a german dance compilation called "DJ's Best." It says: PRINZ PRASENTIERT (wish I could read german) DJ's BEST 12 GERMAN DANCEFLOOR CLASSICS (there is a picture of some german brunette chick with a short bob (roaring 20's type haircut) screaming into the camera on the cover. The backside of the CD case is flat dull yellow/orange) Cat #261281 (or 261281-222) The catalog # appears differently in the 3 places on the CD. Record labels are: BMG in conjunction with Ariola (germany) UPC symbol is: 4 007192 612819 Don't bother contacting BMG or Ariola about it, because when I tried a while back...they were NO HELP WHATSOEVER! Your best bet is finding someone in germany who can track it down for you. However it is out of print....so either second hand stores, or find someone who owns a copy. I myself was able to locate a copy through someone who owned one in germany. OK...did I answer your questions? :-) Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) For real! Date: 07 Feb 1997 00:37:02 EST I think this may be the real deal, fellow 'werkers! I had to go back upstate today to complete work for school (even though I've graduated) that's two years overdue. I stopped in Media Play in Poughkeepsie, and I saw on a board in the music department that was titled "coming soon" the word KRAFTWERK!!!! THIS is the year we've been waiting 11 years for! Can't wait! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bieler Subject: (kw) new 12" bootleg Date: 07 Feb 1997 13:21:55 +0100 (MET) Hello everybody! I saw a strange 12" a few days ago. There was no artist name given on the record and the release data was quite mysterious. All that I recall is that the year was 1996. Contents: Side 1: 'Computergames' Side 2: Tour de France (Two versions) I quickly listened into all three songs and that's what I found out: Computergames seems to consist of sounds and melodies taken from -err- various Computergames (would anybody have guessed?) I didn't find any Kraftwerk samples but I'm no expert in this. Anyway, it was quite entertaining. Tour de France seemed to be just the German and the French long versions, nothing remixed as far as I listened to them and could recall the originals. So that's not much information but it's all that I've got. Maybe I'll go back to the shop and write down the release details, as far as there were any given. They had several sealed copies, so if anybody wants me to get it for him/her, email me privately! Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thilo Mezger Subject: Re: (kw) new 12" bootleg Date: 07 Feb 1997 13:34:13 +0100 (MET) On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Thomas Bieler wrote: > I saw a strange 12" a few days ago. > > Contents: > Side 1: 'Computergames' > Side 2: Tour de France (Two versions) I have this one as well. As far as I remember it is called a "DJ's series" or something like that. The two "Tour de France" mixes should be the "extended mix" and the "Kevorkian mix". "Computergames" is not by Kraftwerk but by Japanese Yellow Magic Orchestra. So long! Thilo PS: "Numbers" is available in this bootleg series as well - "for DJ use only" of course... :-) _________ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ Thilo.Mezger@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de |___ ___| | |_| | | | | | / _ \ http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ua5m/ | | | _ | | | | |___ ( (_) ) Stop Pollution - Create Eevolution |_| |_| |_| |_| |____| \___/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bieler Subject: (kw) Yamo's Stereomatic Date: 07 Feb 1997 15:21:39 +0100 (MET) Hello everybody! I lately listened to the new Yamo MCD 'Stereomatic'. I must be careful about commenting on this, because I only listened to it once and music often starts growing on me after several times, but I really didn't like it at all. To me it just sounded like any cheesy dancefloor production that we have hundreds and hundreds around here in Germany, plus it was lacking a nice tune. I don't want to make anyone angry, I was just really disappointed myself. Even though I was in a good mood because of the pretty girl that played the disc to me ;-) What do other people think who have already listened to this? Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Date: 07 Feb 1997 09:45:45 EST It's official today - Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering 24th May 1997. STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Adamson Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk, Radio One FM (UK) Date: 07 Feb 1997 16:15:08 -0000 I've just heard something on Radio 1fm (UK) about Kraftwerk. But I wasn't listening properly, so I didn't catch what it was about, but I think possibly they are talking about them sometime tonight and interviewing some Techno acts such as Orbital about Kraftwerk. That is all. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk play live in UK this summer? Date: 07 Feb 1997 12:46:53 EST An announcement is due today from the organisers of the 'Tribal Gathering' event which will possibly confirm the fact that Kraftwerk will be playing live on May 24th at this event. Watch out for the music press next week. It'll be there, certainly, if it is in fact correct. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) KW >>> Tribal Gathering >>> definite Date: 07 Feb 1997 13:41:35 EST This may well be posting number Xthousand to the list about this, but as I get the digest version I have no way of knowing; but further to my posting earlier today about the possibility of KW appearing live at the 'Tribal Gathering' event, it is now confirmed; announced via a short interview with the promoter on Radio 1 today. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) new 12" bootleg Date: 07 Feb 1997 18:59:21 +0100 At 01:34 PM 2/7/97 +0100, you wrote: >On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Thomas Bieler wrote: > >> I saw a strange 12" a few days ago. >> >> Contents: >> Side 1: 'Computergames' >> Side 2: Tour de France (Two versions) > >I have this one as well. As far as I remember it is called a "DJ's >series" or something like that. The two "Tour de France" mixes should be >the "extended mix" and the "Kevorkian mix". "Computergames" is not by >Kraftwerk but by Japanese Yellow Magic Orchestra. > >So long! >Thilo > >PS: "Numbers" is available in this bootleg series as well - "for DJ use >only" of course... :-) > > _________ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ Ha! If i want a Kraftwerk MegaMix of some kind, I'll make it myself. Most of these megamixes are done very bad, not even worth the vinyl they're pressed on. Exceptions: 1) Razormaid Computer Welt Medley 2) Gridlock The Mix Medley 3) Sound Factory Kraftwerk Mega Mix 4) Ben Liebrand's The Mix Mix (Ben doing a great mix is an exception in it self :)) Laterz! Johan. -- ******************************************************************************** * Statik is Here! Making Remixes and Megamixes is my pride & joy! :) * * e-mail: 0weterings01@lelystad.flnet.nl * * web-page: http://www.flnet.nl/~0weterings01 (a bit under construction) * ******************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Fluer Interview Date: 07 Feb 1997 22:40:33 +0000 Prinz 2/1997 (Duesseldorf edition) contains a short interview with Wolfgang Fluer. The content is more or less the same as on the Yamo WWW pages, with the exception that Fluer mentions plans for Yamo live performances in the interview (though not for the near future). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bieler Subject: (kw) The Mix on sale in Germany Date: 07 Feb 1997 23:05:59 +0100 (MET) Hello! Accompanied by a special promotion effort, EMI Germany has reduced the prices of a bunch of old CDs in Germany. Amongst them - The Mix!!! Some of the albums have even re-entered the Charts - but unfortunately The Mix didn't yet. Anyway, the German version of The Mix is now available for $16 around here. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Second nature" Date: 07 Feb 1997 23:24:41 +0000 I've heard that there is a new Electronic single scheduled or already out in the UK: "Second nature". Does anyone know if it contains any tracks with Bartos involvement? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reticulum4@aol.com Subject: (kw) Tour De France Date: 08 Feb 1997 00:50:36 -0500 (EST) If you have 40 megs on your HD and a lot of time available... The rarest Kraftwerk item is now yours. Am I a nice guy or what? Taken from CD (and not a bootleg), I now present to you... "Tour De France" --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Tour De France "Tour De France" STEREO 44.1 Khz sampling rate (CD quality) Taken from "DJ's Best" German dance compilation. (VERY RARE! And this is the only CD ever as far as I know to have Tour De France. Previously it was only available on vynle....pops and all! I heard a rumor it is on a Japanese greatest hits recently, but I will believe it when I see it!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Date: 08 Feb 1997 13:46:23 +0000 There was a brief feature on Kraftwerk yesterday at "The Net", BBC Radio 1, to advertise their appearance at the Tribal Gathering. The report consisted mainly of interviews with other Tribal Gathering artists like Orbital and DJ Shadow, who explained how excited they are to perform together with Kraftwerk. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Morrell Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France Date: 08 Feb 1997 09:04:45 -0500 Reticulum4@aol.com wrote: > > If you have 40 megs on your HD and a lot of time available... > > The rarest Kraftwerk item is now yours. Am I a nice guy or what? > Taken from CD (and not a bootleg), I now present to you... > > "Tour De France" > But where is it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reticulum4@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France Date: 08 Feb 1997 12:16:41 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 2/8/97 6:02:31 AM, you wrote: << If you have 40 megs on your HD and a lot of time available... > > The rarest Kraftwerk item is now yours. Am I a nice guy or what? > Taken from CD (and not a bootleg), I now present to you... > > "Tour De France" > But where is it?>> Geez...I attached the file...but apparently the list wont let you attach files!!! :-( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France Date: 08 Feb 1997 21:00:10 +0100 On 08-Feb-97 A.D., Reticulum4@aol.com carved the following runes about "Re: (kw) Tour De France": >In a message dated 2/8/97 6:02:31 AM, you wrote: ><< If you have 40 megs on your HD and a lot of time available... >But where is it?>> >Geez...I attached the file...but apparently the list wont let you attach >files!!! Oh, that really surprises me... FORTY Mega-bleedin'-Byte!! You wouldn't happen to have (or know of) a website where it's available? Gerade aus! -- _______________________________________________ E M A N U E L M A I R // All animals are equal, but some animals are | mair@medstud.gu.se \\ // more equal than others - Orwell, Animal Farm| GSM:+46-(0)70-7819014 \X/ SYSTEM ALERT #0.998 System Error:"Intel Inside"| http://medstud.gu.se/~mair SYSTEM ALERT #2 Virus Detected: "Windows 95" | |______Team AMIGA_____________________/boing\__________/bumm\_______/tschak # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Ill Date: 08 Feb 1997 21:14:52 EST I think that a collaboration between Kraftwerk and Einsturzende Neubauten would be truly inspired. Two big-time innovators in each of their genres, naah mean? For the record, for all y'all German speakers, what does "Einsturzende Neubauten" mean actually? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reticulum4@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France Date: 08 Feb 1997 22:48:33 -0500 (EST) You wrote: <> Sending a 40 meg file even if it's not through a list will not work over the internet. I had to get this file to someone across the world and the internet could not handle the task. She was however able to receive it using AOL. Now if the internet alone meets your humble needs, fine. Secondly, yes AOL people and myself might not know as much about the internet as you, but at least I don't suffer from chronic pocket-protector-computer-is-my-life-never-had-sex-beat-off-on-my-computer-con ceited-computergeek-ITUS as you obviously do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get a life. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Max Watson Subject: AOL losers (Was: (kw) Tour De France) Date: 08 Feb 1997 22:37:32 -0800 >Sending a 40 meg file even if it's not through a list will not work over the >internet. I had to get this file to someone across the world and the >internet could not handle the task. She was however able to receive it using >AOL. Now if the internet alone meets your humble needs, fine. Only AOL users are stupid enough to crosspost their personal flame wars to the mailing list. Pardon this moron. (and the ironic fact he thinks his 40mb Tour de France file didn't get distributed because the internet cannot handle a 40mb file). Max # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) Yamo-Single Date: 09 Feb 1997 16:19:57 MET I've bought the new Yamo-single and I must say that it's, well, really harmless. I'm totally disappointed. I don't know how do you think about it but I do find it rather boring. It's music you can hear on a Sunday morning right after waking up and having a bad hangover from the last night. I really hope that the new Kraftwerk-album (whenever it may be released) will not sound like this. I don't hate that music but in my eyes it's simply to simple and harmless. Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France Date: 09 Feb 1997 18:01:22 +0000 (posted to list due to possible general interest; apologies in advance, flames in private please) Reticulum4 was saying: >>Do you realize how stupid you must look? >>The listserver that handles the mailing list cut your file off. It does >>this when dimwits like you decide to put attachments on mailings. Attached >>documents are not welcomed on any mailing list that I am aware of. Blimey! This guy attempted to attach a 40 Meg binary and post it ?!?!? >Sending a 40 meg file even if it's not through a list will not work over the >internet. I had to get this file to someone across the world and the >internet could not handle the task. She was however able to receive it using >AOL. Now if the internet alone meets your humble needs, fine. When a list manager asks (politely or otherwise) that members should not post binaries, it is for a very good reason. The main one is that on a normal connection, a file 40MB in size (for example) would take well in excess of 4 hours to download. Most of us have other things to do, or even pay for our phonebills. Over here, on a normal week-night, I would have to pay about 5 UKP (about 12 bucks) for the privilege of getting that file. >Secondly, yes AOL people and myself might not know as much about the >internet as you, but at least I don't suffer from chronic >pocket-protector-computer-is-my-life-never-had-sex-beat-off-on-my-computer- >con ceited-computergeek-ITUS as you obviously do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get a >life. This is little more than petty flaming. Not only is it pointless to do it over a list such as this one, but it reduces people's opinion of your personality and ultimately you'll find yourself getting less help from list members should you ever require it. -- /=====================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | |Irish Electroacoustic Music Association | JarreVangelisTomitaCarlos | |Synthesizer Freak | |ErasurePinhasTangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.net/customers/Alliance)| \=====================================================================/ "Eek, Eek, Wibble Hatstand, my old man's a monkey" -- Blackadder Goes Forth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) Yamo-Single Date: 09 Feb 1997 22:17:14 +0100 At 04:19 PM 2/9/97 MET, CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO wrote: >I've bought the new Yamo-single and I must say that it's, well, >really harmless. I'm totally disappointed. Well, this should conclude to tha following: Karl's band Elektric Musik makes harmless music (IMHO) Wolfgang's band Yamo makes harmless music as well (in Chiratti's opinion, I haven't heard it) Hmmmm, So Kraftwerk is Ralf & Florian.. and Ralf & Florian only. That two people can make such wonderful things! :) Can't wait for the new album :) :) :) :) Laterz, johan. -- ******************************************************************************** * Statik is Here! Making Remixes and Megamixes is my pride & joy! :) * * e-mail: 0weterings01@lelystad.flnet.nl * * web-page: http://www.flnet.nl/~0weterings01 (a bit under construction) * ******************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robotkl@earthlink.net (Kevin Lux) Subject: (kw) Noise Date: 09 Feb 1997 16:05:04 -0600 Sure most of you have figured it out, but have you heard the little embeded sound now on the infobahr? http://www.cs.umu.se/studenter/KRAFTWERK/ Kind of neat. KL stop by area if your are looking for something new, thanks http://members.aol.com/KevinL1712/Music/KevinLux2.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Erik Barth" Subject: (kw) Big Black Date: 09 Feb 1997 23:22:09 +0100 While surfing I found the next 7" cover: http://www.southern.com/Southern/band/BIGBL/pics/17723L.jpg Enjoy and smile! Has anybody heard this one? Regards, Erik # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rac Shade Subject: Re: (kw) Big Black Date: 09 Feb 1997 15:24:06 -0800 (PST) big black's cover of "the model" is the b-side of the single "he's a whore". it was one of the few kraftwerk covers i played during the kraftwerk orgy. it sounds apoplectically icy and brutal, like most all of big black's (and steve albini's) songs. definitely worth checking out if you come across it. - geoff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rac Shade Subject: Re: (kw) Ill Date: 09 Feb 1997 15:26:10 -0800 (PST) On Sat, 8 Feb 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > naah mean? For the record, for all y'all German speakers, what does > "Einsturzende Neubauten" mean actually? Peace. although i don't actually speak german, i'm told it means "collapsing new-building". - geoff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW on radio Date: 09 Feb 1997 18:29:46 EST >>> big black's cover of "the model" is the b-side of the single "he's a whore". it was one of the few kraftwerk covers i played during the kraftwerk orgy. <<< For the record, Geoff, can you tell us what you played, exactly? Peace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Morrell Subject: [Fwd: Re: (kw) Big Black] Date: 09 Feb 1997 19:29:28 -0500 Message-ID: <32FE6BAC.74DA@oeonline.com> Reply-To: dmorrell@oeonline.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rac Shade wrote: > > big black's cover of "the model" is the b-side of the single "he's a whore". > it was one of the few kraftwerk covers i played during the kraftwerk > orgy. it sounds apoplectically icy and brutal, like most all of big black's > (and steve albini's) songs. definitely worth checking out if you come > across it. > - geoff That track can also be found on the Big Black album "Songs About Fucking" The entire album is awesome and I highly recommend it. It's pre industrial grunge that sounds like it was recorded in a basement. Big Black also released an earlier "greatest hits" disc called "Poor Man's Eight Track" dave morrell dmorrell@oeonline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) MTV News Date: 10 Feb 1997 09:01:45 +0000 From the Depeche Mode mailing list: > From: bong@commline.com (The Depeche Mode Mailing List) > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:27:45 -0800 > > MTV Europe's News programme has just said [tonight] that Kraftwerk are > in the studio working on new material but it's unclear whether there > will be an album release this year. They WILL be making one live > appearance this year, and that will be at the "Tribal Gathering". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) THE FACE on Kraftwerk Date: 10 Feb 1997 09:01:45 +0000 Taken from alt.music.techno: > Subject: Re: kraftwerk? > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 14:35:23 -0800 > > There's a new Kraftwerk scheduled for the first half of 97. > The company won't comment on it, though, until they've got the > masters. > At least that's what I read in THE FACE. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess <101451.3333@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) MTV on Kraftwerk Date: 10 Feb 1997 03:12:47 EST Hy, I just watched MTV News Update. They featured Kraftwerk and their only live appearance in '97 on the Tribal Gathering. They also reported, that Kraftwerk is working on new material, BUT it's not clear, whether it will be released in '97. My 2 cents about Tour de France, 40megs and AOL: I hope you all stop that boaring and getting personal flaming. Not everbody taking part on a mailing list must know the internet funcionality to its full extense. There are some, if not the most, who are just users. And telling someone he's stupid, because he wants to do something good, and thereby does something wrong, is not the nicest thing to do! regards Olivers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam L Read Subject: Re: (kw) MTV on Kraftwerk Date: 06 Feb 1997 08:09:00 +1100 Oliver Kess wrote: > > Hy, > I just watched MTV News Update. They featured Kraftwerk and their only > live appearance in '97 on the Tribal Gathering. What and where and when is this Tribal Gathering ? Adam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Farki Subject: (kw) In defence of EM Date: 10 Feb 1997 10:54:17 +0100 > At 04:19 PM 2/9/97 MET, CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO wrote: > >I've bought the new Yamo-single and I must say that it's, well, > >really harmless. I'm totally disappointed. > > > Well, this should conclude to tha following: > > Karl's band Elektric Musik makes harmless music (IMHO) > Wolfgang's band Yamo makes harmless music as well (in Chiratti's opinion, I > haven't heard it) > > Hmmmm, So Kraftwerk is Ralf & Florian.. and Ralf & Florian only. That two > people can make such wonderful things! :) > > Can't wait for the new album :) :) :) :) > > Laterz, johan. > -- ............ I don't think that EM sounds harmless ! Ok, Show Business, or Kissing the machine are not the best tracks, but Information and Overdrive is beat most of "latest" KW songs. I don't want to start fighting ( I love KraftWerk, of course), because my English is not good enough to express my opinion particularly. > Wolfgang's band Yamo makes harmless music as well (in Chiratti's opinion, I > haven't heard it) I think that you're talking about the Stereomatic. I've just got the Guiding Ray, and I say that's good, and now I'm really curious the other single. - Farki - novitax@mail.datanet.hu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Farki Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering Date: 10 Feb 1997 11:00:31 +0100 At 08:09 1997.02.06 +1100, you wrote: >Oliver Kess wrote: >> >> Hy, >> I just watched MTV News Update. They featured Kraftwerk and their only >> live appearance in '97 on the Tribal Gathering. > >What and where and when is this Tribal Gathering ? > >Adam > From Orbital list: Tribal Gathering is a one-day dance festival held near Luton in the UK. - Farki - novitax@mail.datanet.hu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France Date: 09 Feb 1997 18:01:22 +0000 (posted to list due to possible general interest; apologies in advance, flames in private please) Reticulum4 was saying: >>Do you realize how stupid you must look? >>The listserver that handles the mailing list cut your file off. It does >>this when dimwits like you decide to put attachments on mailings. Attached >>documents are not welcomed on any mailing list that I am aware of. Blimey! This guy attempted to attach a 40 Meg binary and post it ?!?!? >Sending a 40 meg file even if it's not through a list will not work over the >internet. I had to get this file to someone across the world and the >internet could not handle the task. She was however able to receive it using >AOL. Now if the internet alone meets your humble needs, fine. When a list manager asks (politely or otherwise) that members should not post binaries, it is for a very good reason. The main one is that on a normal connection, a file 40MB in size (for example) would take well in excess of 4 hours to download. Most of us have other things to do, or even pay for our phonebills. Over here, on a normal week-night, I would have to pay about 5 UKP (about 12 bucks) for the privilege of getting that file. >Secondly, yes AOL people and myself might not know as much about the >internet as you, but at least I don't suffer from chronic >pocket-protector-computer-is-my-life-never-had-sex-beat-off-on-my-computer- >con ceited-computergeek-ITUS as you obviously do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get a >life. This is little more than petty flaming. Not only is it pointless to do it over a list such as this one, but it reduces people's opinion of your personality and ultimately you'll find yourself getting less help from list members should you ever require it. -- /=====================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | |Irish Electroacoustic Music Association | JarreVangelisTomitaCarlos | |Synthesizer Freak | |ErasurePinhasTangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.net/customers/Alliance)| \=====================================================================/ "Eek, Eek, Wibble Hatstand, my old man's a monkey" -- Blackadder Goes Forth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pirx@ikp.atm.com.pl Subject: (kw) Piracy! Date: 10 Feb 1997 16:59:26 +0000 Dear Friends, Your discussion upon this 40Mb file is exclusively annoying as noone of you even tried to mention this is the piracy to sample, copy, and distribute withour prior written permission from author this kind of data. btw! if you need hottest stuph, CC#'s, etc, contact loopez@ikp.atm.com.pl :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France Date: 10 Feb 1997 13:45:57 -0500 (EST) Re: the guy who recently dissed AOL users: There are those of us who use both AOL and another ISP. Like me. I don't use AOL bacause I'm "technically inept," I use it because it's easy and convenient (when you can log on, that is) and because I'm used to it (the first on-line service I ever had). The guy offering to send the file was just being nice, I think, not realizing the ramifications of sending large files over the Internet, and should be given the benefit of the doubt! If only computers were more "plug-and-play" and more user friendly--but, they're not. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: (kw) Who is... Date: 11 Feb 1997 10:17:22 +0100 This maybe off topic, but who is Major Domo anyway? If I'm not wrong I think he is some guy in Star Trek...? /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: (kw) Tour De France Date: 11 Feb 1997 10:31:00 GMT Discussion of TDF as prompted me to ask if there is anywhere I can obtain a scan of the single picture sleeve ? Thanks, Mike. mike.pitt@mail.sema.co.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ZAWREL Johann Subject: (kw) YAMO- Stereomatic Date: 11 Feb 1997 14:46:00 +0100 Hi, here is Johann I received the new YAMO Single Stereomatic Yesterday, and was really dissapointed. Stereomatic is the same song as Stereomission from Mouse from Mars without Japanese Intro but with English 'lyrics'. Ciao, Johann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBOT Subject: (kw) [Fwd: Men's Fashions ala KW] Date: 12 Feb 1997 00:13:34 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------7F1F50435FB50 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii PLEASE don't make me type this a 3rd time.... I'm OUT of html format now, so, POST, Dammit!*#%$@*! Stupid Email! 'scuse me, I'm just arguing with my Computer. This is my THIRD try!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------7F1F50435FB50 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: message/rfc822 Message-ID: <3300D496.EA@wcinet.net> X-Sender: ROBOT (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Fellow Listoids, *Hee-Hee*! Here's a nice little tension-breaker while we're all eagerly awaiting our forth-coming Manna from The GODS. This letter to Ann Landers in the Sunday edition -(Feb 9)- had me rolling on the floor laughing my @$$ off! Enjoy! >>>Dear Ann Landers: ....Women are saying no to unflattering styles.... I would like to -(give)- a man's perspective. %What is it with the never ending parade of black suits -(and)- ugly neckties? I tought men's black, pinstriped, double-breasted suits went out with the mobsters in the '30's. %The color black, which many people consider "smart", is in fact dour, ordinary, boring and dated. Black reflects the triumph of conformity and the death of individuality. It is one more example of the dumbing down of a society that once celebrated its diversity and independence. %How depressing to see todays male fashion world controlled by a handful of robots and idiots. It would be refreshing to see American men revolt against the style monster's edict that a monotonous, drab, unflattering uniform will be the only apparel available to the peasants. A good jolt in the pocketbook would would be effective shock therapy for such arrogance. I recommend it. RC, Louisa, VA. >>>-(Ann's Answer)- Dear RC: You have written a letter that will be cheered by individualists and freethinkers and scorned by traditionalists. The retailing industry, however, would love to offer a wider variety of clothing and should send you a dozen roses. [END] *snicker* Is that hysterical, or what? Gee- I think Ralf looks NICE in the TEE fotos of him in his black pinstripe double-breasted suit! The boys look SHARP in their simple, all-black outfits. -(Ofcourse, the MM get-up with the RED shirts was Brilliant- too bad that style didn't catch on!)- Well, Ralf ALways wears black. I think that's KooL! -(I wear it a lot, too, regardless of KW. I also like RED.)- Anyway, take out the words "and idiots" after "robots" in RC's tirade and add "and KRAFTWERK Fans" after "traditionalists" in Ann's reply and it would be more accurate. Obviousy RC and Ann are Non-KW Afficianados with no appreciation for Classy Threads. But, still, I just HAD to LAUGH! Wouldn't it be KooL if KW DID take over the Fashion Industry? "Controlled by a handful of ROBOTs" inDeeD! Their Influence is EVerywhere! :] ROBOSMILEY "Sie ist ein Model und Sie sicht gut auS...." ROBOT@wcinet.net ------------7F1F50435FB50-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Meijer Date: 12 Feb 1997 16:19:50 +0100 Hai guys! Just a very short note to introduce myself. I am Frank Meijer and a big fan of Kraftwerk. I am not sure wheteher this works, but I want to put forward one question: I heard rumours that Kraftwerk will give a concert this year in the UK. Is that true??????? Frank Meijer F.J.Meijer Van Hoornekade 189 3554 AV Utrecht 030-2436435 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Electronic's latest single Date: 12 Feb 1997 14:47:26 EST The latest UK single release from Electronic - 'Second Nature', is available on 2 separate CDs. None of the tracks however are co-written with Karl Bartos, all are Sumner/Marr originals. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "A. D. Alvarez" Subject: Re: (kw) Electronic's latest single Date: 12 Feb 1997 16:33:00 -0500 <> But according to the CDs, he does play keyboards on "Second Nature." Some of the sounds do sound kinda Bartos-ey... Aldo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW, house music, & synths Date: 12 Feb 1997 20:26:09 EST OK, maybe THIS posting will get there; I think my mailer in NYC's fucked up.... I saw this new book from Castle/Penguin called "The History of House Music" (or something like that) in Tower Records on E. 4th St. 2 days ago. One of the sections featured, of all things, Kraftwerk. But tell me this: since when has KW made house records? Yeah, those who know what time it is know that house music is an amalgamation of KW, Yaz(oo), and Philly soul, but KW never made house records. They were presented in this book as if they were house artists by devoting an entire chapter to them. I didn't have time to look the book over, but the book also had a chapter on classic synths and drum machines used in this genre, such as the Roland TR-808 and TR-909 drum machines, and the Roland TB-303 synth. Now, can anyone tell me if there was a TR-303 drum machine as well? This book looks like da bomb, and all y'all should look for this joint, naah mean? And, if there are any Belgians in KW land, can anyone tell me if the live-action Tintin films were ever released on video? The same for "Tintin and the Lake of Sharks." E-mail me privately if you got the 411. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Direct swipe Date: 12 Feb 1997 20:30:00 EST Hi. Has anyone heard "Richard D. James Album" by Aphex Twin? Is it me or is the track "Frogerbib" a strange re-working of "The Model"? Its resemblance is uncanny! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: (kw) Re: Big Black Date: 12 Feb 1997 19:54:10 -0800 [NOTICE: This message was delayed on its way to the list because it contained excess quoted text, which has been automatically removed. To prevent this from happening to your messages, be sure to include as little text as possible from the message you are responding to.] This is kind of a late response, but I have the digest version. Um, Big Black is was a very good band from the mid 80's. It was Steve Albini's first bands (now of Shellac, and producer extrodinare). They had a drum machine and a guitar and bass (and of course Steve's piercing voice). Their version of The Model is great. Kinda pre-industrial. Cool stuff. Very indie. Big Black sounds like the first Slint album (tweez), if you even know what I'm talking about. But anyway, you should definitely check this out. Very different. It's on the album "Songs about Fucking", or you can get it on some single, both on Touch and Go records in Chicago. K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pawel Kalinowski Subject: (kw) Apex and The Model Date: 13 Feb 1997 10:49:36 +0100 Hi! i happen to have apex' album "richard d. james album" and I have no any resemblance of "the model" when listening to the mentioned album. Pawel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Subject: (kw) American's traveling to the Tribal Gathering Date: 13 Feb 1997 08:46:48 -0500 OK!! We now know that Kraftwerk will be appearing at the Tribal Gathering in London this spring. So how many Americans (or other people outside of the immediate London area) are planning to attend to see our favorite group? I for one plan contact a travel agent this weekend to set things up and I have already had a friend in London go to purchase my (Oh so golden) tickets! I can't believe that I, a common, average everyday guy, will finally get to see Kraftwerk LIVE - other than on another bootleg video :) ...Now if they'd just release that new stuff they've been sitting on... ...Hmmm...I wonder if Kraftwerk might be planning a 'Real Audio' simulcast over the internet from their home page... Take care all. -John (MNS) Talbert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: (kw) KW and the metropolis movie Date: 13 Feb 1997 09:03:02 -0500 (EST) Well, this past weekend I inadvertenly ran into my local PBS station in Albany, NY when I heard a nice, synth rhythm. I kept watching to see what was up when I realized that they were about to show the 1925 German silent futuristic film "Metropolis". Oh shit what a dope movie. it had everything from bullet trains, sky scrappers, to a C3PO ancestor robot and a Video phone. Throughout the entire movie, the backgroung music was this synthetic KW like music (they have been doing that with silent films lately). However, I have never heard earlier KW stuff (pre Man Machine and TEE). I was wondering if anyone who has seen the film can confirm KW in this track. I did manage to tape it and replayed while playing KWs "Metropolis" and "Spacelab" and it was PHAT! Nate El Great B-Boy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: (kw) House Music Date: 13 Feb 1997 09:36:46 -0500 (EST) Well I was into house music when it made its entrance in the 80's. "The Mix" is more house, or should I say urban-dance than anything else. Those of us who grew up with this know how different house music is in comparison to club music and break dancing pop, all of which has undeniable KW influence. However, if you are not from the hood, anything with a non disco dance beat produced in the 80s is house. Remember, house music is very rhythmic and for the longest time it was only appreciated by a rhythmic few. I would dare to say that the Jungle Brothers probably took house into the mainstream at least for a while. I remember watching that Rock and Roll documentary on PBS where they credited some Chicago DJ for the creation of house. Basically what he did was increase the bass on that bass beat and thus, house was created. But we from the city know that there is more to house music than just a louder bass drum. In my opinion club music tends to be comtemporary but jazzy and house is also comtemporary with a bit of hip hop. Nate El Great B-boy in full effect # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) KW and the metropolis movie Date: 13 Feb 1997 10:35:21 -0500 >Well, this past weekend I inadvertenly ran into my local PBS station in >Albany, NY when I heard a nice, synth rhythm. I kept watching to see >what was up when I realized that they were about to show the 1925 German >silent futuristic film "Metropolis". Seeing as how "Metropolis" is one of my all-time favorite films, I just had to throw my two cents in. Just for the record, the film may or may not have been recorded in 1925, but the actual date appearing in the film itself is 1926. >everything from bullet trains, sky scrappers, to a C3PO ancestor robot and a C3PO ancestor robot? I've never heard it referred to quite like that. :) hehe...I guess you're referring to Hel, the female robot created by the 'mad scientist' working for the big wigs of the factory in the film. :) >Throughout the entire movie, the backgroung music was this synthetic KW >like music (they have been doing that with silent films lately). Yes, this must have been a score from a later re-issue of the film. There have been several so far. My copy has classical music throughout the feature, and I also used to have a version containing synth elements in the sountrack, not to mention a song or two performed by Pat Benetar (nice tunes, but somewhat out of place I must say - a love song in Metropolis?). :P >However, I have never heard earlier KW stuff (pre Man Machine and TEE). >I was wondering if anyone who has seen the film can confirm KW in this track. Well, as far as I know, Kraftwerk have never officially done the soundtrack for any editions of "Metropolis", but naturally their connection to and heavy interest in the film has been more than apparent: 1) Ralf Huetter's robotic dance (swaying arms from one side to other) that he used to do behind his keyboard console during live performances appears to me to be a rather obvious allusion to a scene present early on in "Metropolis" when the workers are shown operating their machines. 2) Perhaps the most obvious indication, the song "Metropolis" featured on 'The Man-Machine' album from '78, an album whose very concept (man-machine) is touched upon blatantly through the film's 'Hel' character (otherwise known as the C3PO ancestor robot). :) The 'Computer World' album from '81 is a logical extension and inclusion of the "Metropolis" idea as well, branching out from the robot (man-machine) element of the film (Hel) and picking up on the larger mechanized society theme. 3) Ralf's appearance (facial expression, hairstyle, clothing) on 'The Man-Machine' has always beared an uncanny resemblence to that of Freder, the protagonist and main character in "Metropolis". 4) And as if that weren't enough to go on, of course there's always Kraftwerk's own words: -- "We were very much influenced by the futuristic silent films of Fritz Lang; 'Metropolis' and 'Dr. Mabuse'. We feel that we are the sons of that type of SF cinema. We are the band of 'Metropolis'... ...When you go and see 'Star Wars', with all its science-fiction gadgets, we feel embarassed to listen to the music...nineteenth century strings! That music for that film!? Historically, we feel that if there was a music group in 'Metropolis', maybe Kraftwerk would have been that band." -- - Ralf Huetter, 'Future' #5, Oct. '78 -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F.J.Meijer" Date: 13 Feb 1997 19:46:25 +0100 Hai Kraftwerkians, I have a small question. For a few months ago, I also was involved in a Kraftwerk email list. I believe it was this one. But I still havent read something from people like Klaus Zaepke and other people. I just wonder if i am connected to the same discusiion list, or are there also other ones? Because at that time i used to receive one email a day, which included all reactions. Now i get separate emails from different persons. I guess that must have changed since half a year ago? Frank Meijer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: (kw) Review: Terre Thaemlitz - Die Roboter Rubato Date: 13 Feb 1997 13:10:23 -0500 This CD surprised the heck out of me, as it really wasn't at all what I=20 was expecting. Does that make it "bad?" No. It actually makes for=20 interesting listening. First of all, to make things brutally clear: THESE ARE NOT COVERS OF=20 KRAFTWERK SONGS. Rather, they are abstract-piano-style interpretations=20 of Kraftwerk themes. The "rubato," according to the liner notes (which=20 are very long and pretentious), is a "[m]usic performance that does not=20 adhere to a strict sense of time," which, when you think about it, is=20 almost diametrically opposite to what Kraftwerk usually does. The liner=20 notes claim that the piano is treated, but in most places, it just=20 sounds like a piano. There is no rhythm involved, so things get a=20 little tense while multiple elements are trying to resolve themselves,=20 but it tends to work out all the same. There is no other=20 instrumentation on this recording other than the aforementioned piano,=20 and there is zero vocal. If this didn't have Kraftwerk associated with it, I would think that it=20 was a very pretty piece of piano work, sometimes a little busy but for=20 the most part rather soothing. However, my expectations were very=20 different for something that claimed to be influenced by Kraftwerk,=20 namely that I'd be able to recognize Kraftwerk melody themes in the=20 songs, and in a couple of them, I am not. "Die Roboter" has a bit that=20 sounds like "Das Modell," but that's all I picked up there. =20 "Computerwelt" and "Technopop" seem devoid of their original themes as=20 well (though there's a "maybe that's it" in "Computerwelt"). That said, the piano playing seems very accomplished, and in the songs=20 that do incorporate the themes, those themes are very much jumping-off=20 points for more experimentation and improvisation, mostly to an=20 enjoyable effect. The cover art is very pretty. On the other hand, you=20 have heavy-handed liner notes that go into excruciating detail of nearly=20 every thought that went through Thaemlitz' head while making the=20 recording, and the tone of the pieces, which are spontaneous and flowing=20 in nature, doesn't really match. Six-and-a-half out of ten. Terre Thaemlitz Die Roboter Rubato Mille Plateaux MP 34 10 tracks, 50:05 1. Die Roboter 2. =C4therwellen 3. Tour De France 4. Computerwelt 5. Technopop 6. Ruckzuck 7. Radioland 8. Mensch Machine 9. Schaufensterpuppen 10. Morgenspaziergang --=20 Adam J Weitzman "Getting [your computer] to work is no more Individual, Inc. difficult than building a nuclear reactor weitzman@individual.com from wristwatch parts using only your teeth." http://www.individual.com - Dave Barry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joao Marcelo F. de Barros" Subject: (kw) New Album Date: 13 Feb 1997 16:36:19 -3 Hello men machines, More rumors... Last sunday (Feb 9, Carnival Sunday) I read the Rio Fanzine page in O GLOBO (Brazilian newspaper). On the letters section, a reader asked when the new Kraftwerk album will be out. The answer was: The new Kraft album is being recorded and it is to be released on the middle of the year. Any info on this? Regards, J.M. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Re: Tickets for Tribal Gathering Date: 13 Feb 1997 13:58:24 EST > I for one plan contact a travel agent this weekend to set things up and I > have already had a friend in London go to purchase my (Oh so golden) > tickets! You can buy tickets now by credit card from Ticket Master on:- +44 (0)171 344 0044 or 0541 500 044 who also have recorded info on the full line-up. They're not cheap though - 35.00 Sterling, plus %.00 booking fee, plus postage - but then again it's Kraftwerk! Live! Etc! See ya there... STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F.J.Meijer" Date: 13 Feb 1997 21:43:22 +0100 ai Kraftwerkians, I have a small question. For a few months ago, I also was involved in a Kraftwerk email list. I believe it was this one. But I still havent read something from people like Klaus Zaepke and other people. I just wonder if i am connected to the same discusiion list, or are there also other ones? Because at that time i used to receive one email a day, which included all reactions. Now i get separate emails from different persons. I guess that must have changed since half a year ago? Frank Meijer # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j.carter@juno.com (Jeff C Carter) Subject: Re: (kw) American's traveling to the Tribal Gathering Date: 13 Feb 1997 15:06:00 EST >I can't believe that I, a common, average everyday guy, will finally >get to >see Kraftwerk LIVE - other than on another bootleg video :) Well, unfortunately I won't be able to go to that show, but you mentioned concert videos of Kraftwerk. Now how do I go about getting one of those? It would be difficult to find one here. Does any one here have access to any? I would appreciate it greatly if you can steer me in the direction of obtaining one. Thanks! jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) American's traveling to the Tribal Gathering Date: 13 Feb 1997 19:21:16 +0000 > We now know that Kraftwerk will be appearing at the Tribal Gathering in London > this spring. So how many Americans (or other people outside of the > immediate London area) are planning to attend to see our favorite group? Just to be clear on this point, the Tribal Gathering is NOT taking place in London. It's being held near Luton in Bedfordshire which is about 30 miles north of London. Just so there are no supprises... See you there - just try and stop me! Jon 'by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) KW and the metropolis movie Date: 14 Feb 1997 00:08:01 +0200 nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu wrote: > > Well, this past weekend I inadvertenly ran into my local PBS station in > Albany, NY when I heard a nice, synth rhythm. I kept watching to see > what was up when I realized that they were about to show the 1925 German > silent futuristic film "Metropolis". Oh shit what a dope movie. it had > everything from bullet trains, sky scrappers, to a C3PO ancestor robot and a > Video phone. > > Throughout the entire movie, the backgroung music was this synthetic KW > like music (they have been doing that with silent films lately). > However, I have never heard earlier KW stuff (pre Man Machine and TEE). > I was wondering if anyone who has seen the film can confirm KW in this track. You probably saw the Giorgio Moroder version of Metropolis. The movie is a classic, but the Moroder soundtrack definitely isn't. Just my two bits worth. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) KW, house music, & synths Date: 14 Feb 1997 00:14:20 +0200 Adam Schefflan wrote: > I didn't have time to look the book over, but the book also had a chapter > on classic synths and drum machines used in this genre, such as the > Roland TR-808 and TR-909 drum machines, and the Roland TB-303 synth. Now, > can anyone tell me if there was a TR-303 drum machine as well? There was the TR-606 a.k.a Drumatix. The sounds were really thin but still quite usable. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Aphex Twin & "The Model" Date: 13 Feb 1997 21:02:05 EST >>> i happen to have apex' album "richard d. james album" and I have no any resemblance of "the model" when listening to the mentioned album. <<< Do you have the US version of this album (Warp/Sire/Elektra 62010)? The 4th track is what i'm talkin' 'bout. (James's handwriting is near-indecipherable, the name resembles "Frogerbib") The drum sounds and the synth sounds are so similar. You could put them both together and have a phat hip-hop track. What's really cool, though, is the track has an Indian tala--in this case, 12 beats divided into 3 sections: 8-8-4. Have you, fellow 'werkers, heard this joint? It was da bomb. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBOT Subject: (kw) KW @ Tribal Gathering Date: 13 Feb 1997 18:37:53 -0800 Before anybody buys Konzert tickets, let alone plane fare, etc, is there any way to Confirm/Guarantee that they WILL perform? They love to pull last-minute Cancellations and leave everybody out cold. POVERTY SUCKS!!!! Oh, well, I'll be there in Spirit. I'm The Ghost in Their Machine! *SIGH* ROBOT@wcinet.net -(Until my mean husband changes servers again....)- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Chill Date: 09 Feb 1997 01:59:13 EST >>> Only AOL users are stupid enough to crosspost their personal flame wars to the mailing list. <<< Chill, all y'all bitch-ass-muthafukkaz! We don't wanna here anyone's fuckin' gripes here! LIVE & LET LIVE, NAAH MEAN? Why don't you mail your fuckin' snaps at each other privately? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) I have Tour De France on CD Date: 06 Feb 1997 10:13:56 -0700 (MST) > am I the only one on this list with an official (non-bootleg) copy of TDF on > CD? Probably not. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: j.carter@juno.com (Jeff C Carter) Subject: Re: AOL losers (Was: (kw) Tour De France) Date: 09 Feb 1997 12:16:12 EST >Only AOL users are stupid enough to crosspost their personal flame >wars to >the mailing list. (which is just what you did, dork) Pardon this moron. I hate to be the one to break this to you Spock, but no one is impressed by your in depth knowledge of the internet. why don't you try- alt:nerd.obsessive. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lloyd Subject: (kw) Check out this site... Date: 04 Feb 1997 18:08:07 -0500 Hello, I was browsing some of the CD shopping web site and came across http://gemm.com/ Do a search on Kraftwerk and see what comes back! WOW! Bruce When your pet bird sees you reading the newspaper, does he wonder why you're just sitting there, staring at carpeting? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk play live in UK this Date: 07 Feb 1997 20:07:00 GMT Confirmed by Radio One this evening! Mike. mike.pitt@mail.sema.co.uk >An announcement is due today from the organisers of the 'Tribal Gathering' event >which will possibly confirm the fact that Kraftwerk will be playing live on May >24th at this event. Watch out for the music press next week. It'll be there, certainly >if it is in fact correct. > Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@Compuserve.com> Subject: Re: (kw) Playing the Kraftwerk Site Sound Date: 06 Feb 1997 17:23:20 EST > Try this and see if it works: > http://www.kraftwerk.com/klingklang.wav > (This is assuming that AOL's Mac browser will let you hear WAV files...) I had the same problem on my Mac - I'm pretty sure it's the Mac o/s that's won't let .WAV files play in the background, but I could be wrong - anyone? However, if as Justin Barrett suggests, you enter the URL above, you can save the file and open it with any one of a number of Mac audio programs. One that definitely works is "Sound App" that you can get from the following website (but there are probably others that will do the job too): http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~franke/SoundApp/ STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Date: 07 Feb 1997 14:11:50 EST Here's some more info about Tribal Gathering 1997, which has been officially announced in a press conference today, and which has aleady appeared on MTV and BBC's Ceefax service. Presumably it will get coverage the music press next week. It's on May 24th at a site somewhere outside Luton, UK. There are 9 tents in total, each with a different musical "theme". Kraftwerk will be in a tent of their own, which will be closed until their performance at around 9.30pm. There will be highlights of the event broadcast on BBC Radio 1, and Kraftwerk have apparently aggreed to have some of their set transmitted. There's still that one buring question which remains unanswered though... STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Rotsztain Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Date: 10 Feb 1997 01:52:22 -0500 Mark Stagg wrote: > > It's official today - Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering 24th May 1997. I was just saying how I must see Kraftwerk this year. Is this gathering a tv thing or a live show that tickets can be purchased for? Where does it take place? Any other specifics that we should know? Jeremy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW, house music, & synths Date: 11 Feb 1997 18:18:53 EST Wassup, y'all? There's this new book from Castle/Penguin that I saw in Tower Records on 4th Street here in NYC called "The History of House Music" (or something like that). I didn't have time to read the book, but I scanned the contents, and I saw that an entire chapter is devoted to KW. The weird part: since when has KW made house records???? Yeah, I know, and everyone who knows what time it is knows, that house is, in effect, an amalgam of KW, Yaz(oo), and Philly soul, but have you ever heard the true fab four make house records? What was really cool was pictures of the Roland TR-808 and the Roland TR-909, just to name a few pieces of equipment. BTW, what sort of sounds did the Roland tb-303 make? And, wasn't there a TR-303 drum machine as well? Can anyone get these sounds in any of Roland's modern equipment? I really want this book, and I think that you, fellow 'werkers, could get something out of this book. ($14.95). This isn't an advertisement, but I thought that you guys would like to know. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW, house music, & synths Date: 10 Feb 1997 18:42:03 EST Wassup, y'all? There's this new book from Castle/Penguin that I saw in Tower Records on 4th Street here in NYC called "The History of House Music" (or something like that). I didn't have time to read the book, but I scanned the contents, and I saw that an entire chapter is devoted to KW. The weird part: since when has KW made house records???? Yeah, I know, and everyone who knows what time it is knows, that house is, in effect, an amalgam of KW, Yaz(oo), and Philly soul, but have you ever heard the true fab four make house records? What was really cool was pictures of the Roland TR-808 and the Roland TR-909, just to name a few pieces of equipment. BTW, what sort of sounds did the Roland tb-303 make? And, wasn't there a TR-303 drum machine as well? Can anyone get these sounds in any of Roland's modern equipment? I really want this book, and I think that you, fellow 'werkers, could get something out of this book. ($14.95). This isn't an advertisement, but I thought that you guys would like to know. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Subject: RE: (kw) Kraftwerk play live in UK this Date: 07 Feb 1997 18:28:00 GMT Confirmed by Radio One this evening! Mike. mike.pitt@mail.sema.co.uk >An announcement is due today from the organisers of the 'Tribal Gathering' event >which will possibly confirm the fact that Kraftwerk will be playing live on May >24th at this event. Watch out for the music press next week. It'll be there, certainly >if it is in fact correct. > Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk booked for UK gig Date: 07 Feb 1997 18:29:57 +0000 (GMT) BBC Radio 1 's programme 'The Net' has just reported that Kraftwerk are booked to appear at the 'Tribal Gathering' music festival on May 24th at Luton Hoo (sp?), England, on the site of last year's festival (apparently they first announced it this lunchtime, and there will be more info in Pete Tong's Radio 1 programme tonight). Excerpts from 'Autobahn' and 'Computer Love' were played, and there were brief reactions from DJs Laurent Garnier (excited), Paul Oakenfold (who hoped if they did appear "it's not the same old retro sound" [twit]) and DJ Shadow (who would "like to ask them why they're so conservative about being sampled"). So even Kraftwerk's co-stars (support stars?!) on the bill seem a bit cautious about whether Kraftwerk will actually appear...! That's all I have on this... Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France Date: 10 Feb 1997 10:08:32 -0700 (MST) > Geez...I attached the file...but apparently the list wont let you attach > files!!! From the list intro file (which you received just five short days ago): > The following kinds of messages are *never* welcome on the list, and > posting them might result in your being removed, so be careful! > > * Images and sound files I'm sorry that in your frenzy to impress us all with the fact that you own "Tour de France" on CD (apparently the only reason you joined this list in the first place), you couldn't be bothered to read this list's rules. I'm forwarding you another copy in private email -- if you intend to stay subscribed here you'd better read them this time. And just so everyone else knows, I've added the following category of messages to the "forbidden" list: > * Private email that you don't have the original sender's permission to > repost to the list That's a pretty basic rule that applies netwide, but I guess some folks aren't aware of it, so . . . -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBOT Subject: (kw) Men's Fashions ala KW Date: 11 Feb 1997 12:20:38 -0800 Dear Fellow Listoids, *Hee-Hee*! Here's a nice little tension-breaker while we're all eagerly awaiting our forth-coming Manna from The GODS. This letter to Ann Landers in the Sunday edition -(Feb 9)- had me rolling on the floor laughing my @$$ off! Enjoy! >>>Dear Ann Landers: ....Women are saying no to unflattering styles.... I would like to -(give)- a man's perspective. %What is it with the never ending parade of black suits -(and)- ugly neckties? I tought men's black, pinstriped, double-breasted suits went out with the mobsters in the '30's. %The color black, which many people consider "smart", is in fact dour, ordinary, boring and dated. Black reflects the triumph of conformity and the death of individuality. It is one more example of the dumbing down of a society that once celebrated its diversity and independence. %How depressing to see todays male fashion world controlled by a handful of robots and idiots. It would be refreshing to see American men revolt against the style monster's edict that a monotonous, drab, unflattering uniform will be the only apparel available to the peasants. A good jolt in the pocketbook would would be effective shock therapy for such arrogance. I recommend it. RC, Louisa, VA. >>>-(Ann's Answer)- Dear RC: You have written a letter that will be cheered by individualists and freethinkers and scorned by traditionalists. The retailing industry, however, would love to offer a wider variety of clothing and should send you a dozen roses. [END] *snicker* Is that hysterical, or what? Gee- I think Ralf looks NICE in the TEE fotos of him in his black pinstripe double-breasted suit! The boys look SHARP in their simple, all-black outfits. -(Ofcourse, the MM get-up with the RED shirts was Brilliant- too bad that style didn't catch on!)- Well, Ralf ALways wears black. I think that's KooL! -(I wear it a lot, too, regardless of KW. I also like RED.)- Anyway, take out the words "and idiots" after "robots" in RC's tirade and add "and KRAFTWERK Fans" after "traditionalists" in Ann's reply and it would be more accurate. Obviousy RC and Ann are Non-KW Afficianados with no appreciation for Classy Threads. But, still, I just HAD to LAUGH! Wouldn't it be KooL if KW DID take over the Fashion Industry? "Controlled by a handful of ROBOTs" inDeeD! Their Influence is EVerywhere! :] ROBOSMILEY "Sie ist ein Model und Sie sicht gut auS...." ROBOT@wcinet.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeffw Subject: Re: (kw) Playing the Kraftwerk Site Sound Date: 14 Feb 1997 09:29:33 -0500 101706.1667@Compuserve.com wrote: > > I'm pretty sure it's the Mac o/s that's won't > let .WAV files play in the background, but I could be wrong - anyone? Yes - that's wrong. It's not the OS! (That's kinda silly;) As mentioned the surest way is to play the .wav with an audio app. But if you have Netscape 3 set-up w/ the correct plug-in, then .wavs will also play through Netscape. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy.Swann@psygnosis.co.uk Subject: (kw) Not wanting to upset anyone but... Date: 14 Feb 1997 12:45:37 +0000 Andy Swann 14/02/97 12:45 I have a copy of a magazine called 'Sound on Sound' from '94 and in the front is an advert for 'Tribal Gathering' headline guests being, yup, you guessed it... Kraftwerk. And they were removed from the line-up about a month later. Now I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but... Before anyone books for this event on the strength of Krafters being there, I strongly suggest getting some kind of guarantee from the Tribal Gathering folks that they'll actually be there... On a much lighter note... I actually live/come from Luton.. so any help I can give on, getting there / where it is, etc... email me. Regards Andy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk at Tribal Gathering Date: 14 Feb 1997 15:47:57 +0100 Hello, folks!!=20 =20 I am definately interested in going to the Tribal Gathering. =20 =20 But if Kraftwerk cancel their concert (which is not very=20 impossible..?), it would be interesting to know what other bands will=20 be playing there.=20 =20 Does anyone know the other bands at this gathering? Is it a one day=20 event or several?=20 =20 Mats=20 =20 mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oscar van der velde Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk/Tangerine Dream instruments Date: 14 Feb 1997 17:03:36 +0100 (CET) Hi kraftful people! At the Tangerine Dream site (www.netstore.de/tadream) I read that in the seventies they had problems when performing live because of the temperature sensitiviness of the instruments. They had to tune them before performing and when they where tuned, they got false again because the temperature raised during the concert. Did Kraftwerk have these problems too? And does someone know what sound TA's "Mellotron" produces? (the rhytmn??) I'm not so into electronic instruments, can someone explain everything about them? When you are listening some electronic music, (how) can you hear which drum machine is used? I like to know! bye, Oscar van der Velde http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2077 . . - - - . . . . . . - - - . . . warum warum :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) Aphex Twin & "The Model" Date: 14 Feb 1997 04:29:41 -0500 Message text written by Adam Schefflan >Do you have the US version of this album (Warp/Sire/Elektra 62010)?< I think you will find that all worldwide releases of this album are identical. I have a copy too, and although I do not see a direct relationship with das model, the album certainly has a kw feel to it in places. Might just be my opinion, but Aphex is probably the only current true innovator on the scene. Just check his back catalogue. Lastly, see you all in Luton (if they don't pull the plug!!) Jules # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Julian Seifert Subject: (kw) I have Tour De France on CD Date: 14 Feb 1997 04:24:10 -0500 Message text written by "Lazlo Nibble" >> am I the only one on this list with an official (non-bootleg) copy of TDF on > CD? >Probably not. Definitely Not :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Goodman" Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France Date: 14 Feb 1997 12:31:56 -0000 I think this is un--called--for criticism of someone who let his enthusiasm get the better of him. It's the mailing list's duty to filter out anything which could be harmful to it's subscribers. That's the way it should be. It means that the only real reason why someone shouldn't send such things is that they are wasting thier own time. My conclusion is that Lazlo Nipple obviously doesn't have "Tour de France" on CD. Jerry. ---------- > From: Lazlo Nibble > To: Mailing List Kraftwerk > Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France > Date: Monday, February 10, 1997 5:08 PM > > > Geez...I attached the file...but apparently the list wont let you attach > > files!!! > > >From the list intro file (which you received just five short days ago): > > > The following kinds of messages are *never* welcome on the list, and > > posting them might result in your being removed, so be careful! > > > > * Images and sound files > > I'm sorry that in your frenzy to impress us all with the fact that you own > "Tour de France" on CD (apparently the only reason you joined this list in the > first place), you couldn't be bothered to read this list's rules. I'm > forwarding you another copy in private email -- if you intend to stay > subscribed here you'd better read them this time. > > And just so everyone else knows, I've added the following category of > messages to the "forbidden" list: > > > * Private email that you don't have the original sender's permission to > > repost to the list > > That's a pretty basic rule that applies netwide, but I guess some folks aren't > aware of it, so . . . > > -- > ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) Tour De France Date: 14 Feb 1997 09:46:05 -0700 (MST) > It's the mailing list's duty to filter out anything > which could be harmful to it's subscribers. It is the subscribers' duty to read and follow the instructions for using the list. Everyone gets a copy when they join, and they can get another by sending an info request as described at the bottom of every message that goes to the list. If you don't want to be bothered with the rules, please don't be bothered with subscribing . . . > My conclusion is that Lazlo Nipple obviously doesn't have "Tour de France" > on CD. My conclusion is that calling the list admin names is a good way to find yourself looking for somewhere else to discuss Kraftwerk . . . -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: voorn@mivo.xs4all.nl (Michel Voorn) Subject: (kw) UK concert Date: 14 Feb 1997 17:52:00 +0100 Hello All, Where can I find more information about the UK concert on 24 may in England ? Greetings Michel -- ************************************************** * Internet/E-mail: voorn@mivo.xs4all.nl * * Homepage : http://www.xs4all.nl/~voorn * * BBS (MIVO) : +31 79 3318427 * ************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering Date: 14 Feb 1997 17:18:18 +0000 (GMT) Kevin Busby :- > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:29:57 +0000 (GMT) > Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk booked for UK gig Just got that. Wow, it only too a week for the news I sent to reach me... Sorry to bore you all with what was stale news by the time you got it! Melody Maker quotes the festival's promoter: "We're going to rebuild their entire German studio onstage, which will be a technical nightmare". I thought Kraftwerk had it all packed away in transportable modules since 1981.. :-D Somehow "a technical nightmare" seems more believable. It does imply, though, that this will be a truly live performance... kV. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Goodman" Date: 14 Feb 1997 17:21:42 -0000 Lazlo Nibble, >If you don't want to be bothered with the rules, please don't be >bothered with subscribing . . . The tone of your response doesn't adequately reflect the fact that a mailing list should be run as a service, not a privilage. >calling the list admin names is a good way to find >yourself looking for somewhere else to discuss Kraftwerk . . . And to assume that such an innocent error (I'm sure it's one that you have come across many times before) was intended to offend or ridicule is simply inaccurate. I apologise for any misunderstanding. The implication that you are removing me from the mailing list as a result of said error, however, reinforces my first point. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: busbykg@novell2.bham.ac.uk (Kevin Busby) Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering Date: 14 Feb 1997 10:02:41 -0700 (MST) Pawel Kalinowski :- > i happen to have apex' album "richard d. james album" and I have no any > resemblance of "the model" when listening to the mentioned album. Can't say I have either... but I'll have another listen! jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert):- > We now know that Kraftwerk will be appearing at the Tribal Gathering in London > this spring. So how many Americans (or other people outside of the > immediate London area) are planning to attend to see our favorite group? ROBOT :- > Before anybody buys Konzert tickets, let alone plane fare, etc, is there > any way to Confirm/Guarantee that they WILL perform? They love to pull > last-minute Cancellations and leave everybody out cold. Yes, I hope very much that Kraftwerk don't pull out ("We are very busy working on the new album" >cough< ), or that the festival is denied a licence or something. Don't get me wrong, I'm not being a doomsayer, I just hope intercontinental pilgrims make alternative sightseeing plans just in case... Has Kraftwerk made me cynic, or what?! ;-) kV. PS Melody Maker referred to Kraftwerk's "coming out of retirement" to attend this event... no comment! Kevin Busby, Studio Technical Manager, Department of Music, University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham, B15 2TT, England. Tel: +44-(0)121-414 5785. Fax: +44-(0)121 414 5781. WWW: http://sun1.bham.ac.uk/busbykg/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Statik <0weterings01@flnet.nl> Subject: Re: (kw) American's traveling to the Tribal Gathering Date: 14 Feb 1997 19:19:44 +0100 At 03:06 PM 2/13/97 EST, you wrote: > >>I can't believe that I, a common, average everyday guy, will finally >>get to >>see Kraftwerk LIVE - other than on another bootleg video :) > Are there more?? I have NONE?? Could you please give me a hint where to find these? Anyone on the list perhaps??? Salutations, Johan. -- ******************************************************************************** * Statik is Here! Making Remixes and Megamixes is my pride & joy! :) * * e-mail: 0weterings01@lelystad.flnet.nl * * web-page: http://www.flnet.nl/~0weterings01 (a bit under construction) * ******************************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess <101451.3333@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk/Tangerine Dream instruments Date: 14 Feb 1997 15:18:00 EST >And does someone know what sound TA's "Mellotron" produces? Hy Oscar, the mellotron is an instrument, that is kind of the first sampler. it is not working on a digital basis, but contains a set of looped tapes, that are played back when a note on the keyboard is played. You can hear the mellotron good on kraftwerks radioactivity song. The chor is played with mellotron. Another favourite instrument, that could be played on the mellotrone are strings. You can hear them on psychedelic records of the beatles, like "Sgt. Pepper", or one the "her satanic mejesties request" album from the rolling stones. regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeffw Subject: (kw) the mellotron Date: 14 Feb 1997 15:41:13 -0500 101451.3333@CompuServe.COM wrote: > > the mellotron is an instrument, that is kind of the first sampler. it is > not working on a digital basis, but contains a set of looped tapes, that > are played back when a note on the keyboard is played. You can hear the > mellotron good on kraftwerks radioactivity song. The chor is played with > mellotron. Tom Waits also uses the mellotron! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) KW and the metropolis movie Date: 14 Feb 1997 22:47:04 +0000 > Well, as far as I know, Kraftwerk have never officially done the soundtrack > for any editions of "Metropolis", but naturally their connection to and > heavy interest in the film has been more than apparent I *guess* that Kraftwerk may have used excerpts from this movie as video accompaniment for their live performance of "Metropolis" during their 1981 German tour. Are there any eye-witnesses who are able to confirm this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Pilgrim Subject: (kw) Tape the concert!! Date: 14 Feb 1997 18:09:06 -0800 Can someone look into taping the concert audio/video? I'd love to hear it but I'm about 3000km out of earshot :( Maybe I'd go to a show in North America. Philip -- Philip Pilgrim The Lab Audio Works 5 Evan's Drive - Analog/Digital Recording/Processing Hammonds Plains - Acoustic Analysis and Consulting Nova Scotia, Canada - Analog Synth Modification and Repair B4B 1M8 - Computer/Synth Interfacing - Hardware/Software Development Home Phone +1.902.835.7844 Work Phone +1.902.868.2400 Home: pilgrim@atcon.com Work: ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess <101451.3333@compuserve.com> Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering Date: 14 Feb 1997 11:22:30 EST Hy, does anybody has information, who else, despite Kraftwerk, is playing at the Tribal Gathering? And by the way, when is the Tribal Gathering? Thank you for the information. Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Aphex Twin & "The Model" #2 Date: 14 Feb 1997 12:31:18 EST >>> I think you will find that all worldwide releases of this album are identical. <<< I'm really not sure about that one. I saw a British/European edition, then I saw the domestic (US) version. There's a sticker on the US version which says that the "Boy/Girl" EP was added to the album. Our version clocks in at about 43:50, so I'm not sure if the track I'm talkin' 'bout is in the same location in the European edition. Anyone else in KW land, what do you think? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Borsboom Subject: Re: (kw) Aphex Twin & "The Model" #2 Date: 14 Feb 1997 17:43:18 -0800 At 12:31 PM 2/14/97 EST, you wrote: >I'm really not sure about that one. I saw a British/European edition, >then I saw the domestic (US) version. There's a sticker on the US version >which says that the "Boy/Girl" EP was added to the album. Our version >clocks in at about 43:50, so I'm not sure if the track I'm talkin' 'bout >is in the same location in the European edition. Anyone else in KW land, >what do you think? Peace. The US domestic version on Sire Records has both the "Richard D. James" album and the "Girl/Boy" EP, which were released seperately in Europe (and for which I paid large sums of money as imports because I didn't want to wait). IMHO, the Girl/Boy EP is much better than the RDJ album. Tracks 1-10 on the US release are the same as the European release of RDJ. The last three tracks on the US release correspond to tracks 2-4 on the Girl/Boy EP. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: (kw) Re: Aphex & KW Date: 14 Feb 1997 18:48:04 -0800 > Do you have the US version of this album (Warp/Sire/Elektra 62010)? The > 4th track is what i'm talkin' 'bout. (James's handwriting is > near-indecipherable, the name resembles "Frogerbib") The drum sounds and > the synth sounds are so similar. Yes!! I have noticed this, and I mentioned it to the group a couple of weeks ago. The song is called "Fingergib", and it totally sounds like Kraftwerk. All the other songs are equally good but VERY different. RDJ is a damn genius. After the Richard D James Lp and I Care.., how can it get better? I know it will though. K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas D. Kent" Subject: (kw) Metropolis Date: 15 Feb 1997 00:01:53 +0000 Fritz Lang's Metropolis is a must-see! Unfortunately there is no definitive version (as with many films that age, different copies are more or less complete. The original manuscript score was lost so anyone can put anything the want on it as the film is public domain. I keep hearing about a nice synth scored version, but I've not run into it. The most famous (or infamous) version is Georgio Moroder's "restoration". Yes he did restore it but monkeyed around with it just as much. It has some great and awful points about it (not the place here to detail them) You can spot his version by the subtitles on the scenes instead of intertitles (those frames in silent movies where you don't see a picture but read a card). And most notably the IMHO really bad songs by big name mid-1980s artsits with Moroder production. Moroder also does some so-so vaguely KW-esque instrumentals. the date is 1926 >everything from bullet trains, sky scrappers, to a C3PO ancestor robot and a C3PO ancestor robot? I've never heard it referred to quite like that. :) hehe...I guess you're referring to Hel, the female robot created by the 'mad scientist' working for the big wigs of the factory in the film. :) Lucas will freely admit C-3PO was based on the Robot Maria (who in turn was confused with Hel by the delusional Rotwang). If you see the preproduction drawings for C-3PO you can see them start with a drawing of the Robot Maria and end with C-3PO. >Throughout the entire movie, the backgroung music was this synthetic KW >like music (they have been doing that with silent films lately). >However, I have never heard earlier KW stuff (pre Man Machine and TEE). >I was wondering if anyone who has seen the film can confirm KW in this track. Well they couldn't do it legally. ------- Watch the openning scene and listen KW's "Metropolis" - There is this giant steam whistle. I need not say more as for inspiration. "We were very much influenced by the futuristic silent films of Fritz Lang; 'Metropolis' and 'Dr. Mabuse'. We feel that we are the sons of that type of SF cinema. We are the band of 'Metropolis'... ...When you go and see 'Star Wars', with all its science-fiction gadgets, we feel embarassed to listen to the music...nineteenth century strings! That music for that film!? Historically, we feel that if there was a music group in 'Metropolis', maybe Kraftwerk would have been that band." - -- - Ralf Huetter, 'Future' #5, Oct. '78 some annotations: Dr. Mabuse der Spieler (the Gambler) was an epic length 1922 film about a super criminal, Dr. Mabuse. Very decadent! It spawned 2 "un-sequals" by Lang, and most defintiely "Goldfinger" (007) --matter of fact the actor who played Goldfinger was in some non-Lang films based on the Mabuse character. Another interesting Lang film is Spione (Spies) which is about another super criminal. Kraftwerk (or the guy who did the website) certainly have seen the film bacause the antenna image is one of the opening shots (actually the shot is 2 of them radiating signals, but the angle and look are certainly not coincidental. About the 19th century score to Star Wars - Kraftwerk make a very valid point, but Lucas also makes a point that Star Wars wanted to invoke the spirit of Flash Gordon serials, so the score was intentionaly antique sounding to go with a sort of antique future in Star Wars Unfortunately everone wants to copy Star Wars and the irony is lost. >was a music group in 'Metropolis', maybe Kraftwerk would have been that band." A great quote! but that club was pretty sleazy, I think Madonna got some imagery from the film. elegance and decadence nicholas kent http://idfx.com/artskool/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J P M Subject: Re: (kw) Re: Aphex & KW Date: 15 Feb 1997 03:05:37 +0000 I spoke to Richard a few years back, and he mentioned he was trying ( like mad) to get the original "Computer World " tapes so he could remix them his way.........He is a BIG K-werk fan also!!!!! -- Jason The Pygmy Taxi Corp http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/ Vocod'o'rama http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocolist.html Frames Version http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocoder_frames.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering Information Date: 15 Feb 1997 10:39:48 +0000 Information about the Tribal Gathering can be found at http://www.universe.co.uk/tribal.htm Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jon Alsbury Subject: Re: (kw) KW and the metropolis movie Date: 15 Feb 1997 12:07:39 +0000 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > I *guess* that Kraftwerk may have used excerpts from this movie as video > accompaniment for their live performance of "Metropolis" during > their 1981 German tour. I didn't see any of these concerts (too young at the time), however on the subject of "Metropolis", I did hear a live recording of this track from the '81 tour recently - it's a beauty! Why Kraftwerk only played "Metropolis" live on a couple of occasions is beyond me, it really is a very good version. Has anyone else heard this? Jon Alsbury 'by pressing down a special key it plays a little melody' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk/Tangerine Dream instruments Date: 14 Feb 1997 19:55:01 +0000 oscar van der velde was saying: >At the Tangerine Dream site (www.netstore.de/tadream) I read that in the >seventies they had problems when performing live because of the temperature >sensitiviness of the instruments. They had to tune them before performing and > when they where tuned, they got false again because the temperature raised >during the concert. Did Kraftwerk have these problems too? I would imagine so. In fact, I think Kevin's FAQ points out that KW had to actually stop in the middle of a live rendition of Kometenmelodie 2 because the instruments went so out of tune! > And does someone >know what sound TA's "Mellotron" produces? (the rhytmn??) I'm not so into >electronic instruments, can someone explain everything about them? VERY famous electro-antique instrument. It's most famous sounds are a choir sound (ahhhhhhhh) and strings; you can hear lots of them on early KW. Europe Endless is a good example of the Mellotron "Ahhhs" and Trans Europe Express is a good example of the Mellotron Strings. TD used them for similar sounds. >When you >are listening some electronic music, (how) can you hear which drum machine >is used? I like to know! bye, You have to be an expert, and simply know the machines by the sounds that they make. Kraftwerk, for most part, used a custom built drum machine. -- /=====================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | |Irish Electroacoustic Music Association | JarreVangelisTomitaCarlos | |Synthesizer Freak | |ErasurePinhasTangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.net/customers/Alliance)| \=====================================================================/ "We throw each piece of equipment out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it is still functioning correctly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!! " - Edgar Froese # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Aphex Twin & "The Model" #3 (and drum machines) Date: 15 Feb 1997 12:46:07 EST >>> Yes!! I have noticed this, and I mentioned it to the group a couple of weeks ago. The song is called "Fingergib," and it totally sounds like Kraftwerk. <<< Did you notice the Indian tala (8-8-4)? And, how did you figure out that the title was "Fingergib"? I thought it was "Frogerbib," naah mean? >>> RDJ is a damn genius. <<< Word up! I couldn't agree more! Personally, I like "SAW II" the best. RDJ = God! >>> When you are listening to electronic music, how can you hear which drum machine is used? I like to know! bye! You have to be an expert, and simply know the machines by the sounds that they make. Kraftwerk, for most part, used a custom built drum machine. <<< Well, I know that they used a Roland TR-808 in "Musique." I, for one, own an Alesis HR-16, and you learn to recognize drum machine sounds by working with your equipment. The HR-16 sounds like real drums, but with a slightly canned and tinny sound. Most of the classic acid house records use a TR-303 (was there such a thing? I know about the TB-303 bass line player). Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nexus Subject: (kw) KW Tribal Gathering Date: 15 Feb 1997 19:25:11 +0100 >Yes, I hope very much that Kraftwerk don't pull out ("We are very busy >working on the new album" >cough< ), or that the festival is denied a >licence or >something. Don't get me wrong, I'm not being a doomsayer, I just hope >intercontinental pilgrims make alternative sightseeing plans just in >case... Has Kraftwerk made me cynic, or what?! ;-) For those who will go, I think one of three things can happen... 1- As usual, two days before the gig, you're left out cold because R & F won't come. Pretty likely. 2- You will attend to the same (or almost same) concert as the ones they did in early 90s, and will thump to the sounds of Numbers as the intro... OR 3- They will play new material, and in that case I think that the album will be out before May 24 to prevent bootlegging... Reasonably realistic, no? Regards to all http://www.Tonal-Lab.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Aphex etc Date: 15 Feb 1997 19:46:56 +0100 Hi!=20 =20 I agree that the fourth song on Aphex Twin's "Richard D. James Album"=20 is quite KW-like, at least the drums...but I can't see the connection=20 with "The Model".=20 =20 If you like Aphex I can recommend a group called "Download" and the=20 album "The eyes of Stanley Pain" on Off Beat records...(The other=20 Download album isn't very good I think).=20 =20 There is a Swedish group called S.P.O.C.K which I think has got a lot=20 of KW-like sounds.=20 =20 MATS (mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se)=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk/Tangerine Dream instruments Date: 15 Feb 1997 14:21:25 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 97-02-14 15:29:10 EST, you write: << the mellotron is an instrument, that is kind of the first sampler. it is not working on a digital basis, but contains a set of looped tapes, >> ---the mellotron does not use loops....the birotron does, and only a couple or so were made. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBOT Subject: (kw) re: Tape the Konzert Date: 15 Feb 1997 11:32:27 -0800 Tape the Konzert?! *WOW*! That would be KooL, but.... You're kidding, right? As IF they'd LET anybody IN with a Camcorder, let alone Audio....*sigh*.... Dream ON! <*BOOTLEG ALERT*!!*WhooOOP-WhooOOP*!> Jeez- all this talk about Metropolis really has my battery juices flowing! Yeah, Freder- "Hey, it's RALF!"- and C3PO was copied from Hel/Maria, fer sher! "Grandma!" :] ROBOSMILEY Oh, my husband is changing servers AGAIN. Right now we're "overlapping" on BOTH servers until the 1st. If Humboldt Internet is any better, we'll keep it. They only offer 165 hours a month as opposed to 300- but, West Coast Internet is unreliable. No need to UN/REsubscribe yet, but, please try to reach me at Humboldt so I'll know if it WERKs. Thanx! ROBOT@humboldt1.com -(That's a number ONE, not an "EL"....)- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) CW Remixes by Aphex Twin Date: 15 Feb 1997 15:11:32 EST >>> I spoke to Richard a few years back, and he mentioned he was trying (like mad) to get the original "Computer World " tapes so he could remix them his way....He is a BIG K-werk fan also!!!!! <<< R&F are probably freaking out at this possibility, but it sounds so intriguing that this should definitely come to fruition, naah mean? The potential of this project is incredible! I just want to hear the result! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J P M Subject: (kw) Komputer Date: 16 Feb 1997 01:48:06 +0000 Has anyone heard this band Komputer,I was at RebelRebel in NY last week and the owner told me about this group that sounds alot like KW .I was wondering if anyone had any reveiws or the like . -- Jason The Pygmy Taxi Corp http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/ Vocod'o'rama http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocolist.html Frames Version http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocoder_frames.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk/Tangerine Dream instruments Date: 16 Feb 1997 12:35:51 +0200 Oliver Kess wrote: > > >And does someone know what sound TA's "Mellotron" produces? > Hy Oscar, > > the mellotron is an instrument, that is kind of the first sampler. it is > not working on a digital basis, but contains a set of looped tapes, that > are played back when a note on the keyboard is played. Actually the tapes were not looped. There WAS a looped version at the end of 70's called Novatron I think. TD may have used that but I'm not sure. Anyway the samplers stole the show a few years later. > You can hear the > mellotron good on kraftwerks radioactivity song. The chor is played with > mellotron. Another favourite instrument, that could be played on the > mellotrone are strings. You can hear them on psychedelic records of the > beatles, like "Sgt. Pepper", or one the "her satanic mejesties request" > album from the rolling stones. Flute sound was also one of the favourites at least in Tangerine Dream albums. Prog bands like Yes and King Crimson used Mellotron a lot, too. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) More rumours... Date: 16 Feb 1997 09:34:47 EST Another one to file away with the 'for future reference' rumours... I've heard from a normally accurate source that Kraftwerk's appearance at 'Tribal Gathering' will not be accompanied by much in the way of press interviews; also, a single release of some form ay precede the event, but no album is likely. So, who can be sure? Thought I'd mention it anyway, if anyone's heard anything of a similar nature? Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) re: Tape the Konzert Date: 16 Feb 1997 13:46:11 +0000 ROBOT was saying: >Tape the Konzert?! *WOW*! That would be KooL, but.... You're kidding, >right? As IF they'd LET anybody IN with a Camcorder, let alone >Audio....*sigh*.... Dream ON! <*BOOTLEG ALERT*!!*WhooOOP-WhooOOP*!> It's a possibility. Actually, I thought it was an outdoor thing - very difficult to prevent every single camera from getting through. -- /=====================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | |Irish Electroacoustic Music Association | JarreVangelisTomitaCarlos | |Synthesizer Freak | |ErasurePinhasTangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.net/customers/Alliance)| \=====================================================================/ "We don't need lessons from Brussels on how to be European. We have known that for centuries". -- Jean Michel Jarre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jplanet@generation.net (Jef Planet) Subject: (kw) What if...? Date: 16 Feb 1997 17:27:24 -0500 Just to throw my $1.44 (canadian!) advice...what if the new album was to be a live one recorded at tribal gathering 97... Remember that Ralf said, when speaking about the mix that it has to be considered more or less as a live album. This coud be logical since there was a lot of talk about a mix II considerin the big omissions in the 1991 album such as man machine or showroom dummies it start to make sense. We have to consider also that it could be simultaneously broadcasted by the kraftwerk.com site in real audio (so we buy the record for da sound kwality!).......pfffffft..... well, who knows? From Montreal this is Jef Planet sayin good night....and dream on! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Hegymegi-Kiss Subject: Re: (kw) Aphex etc Date: 17 Feb 1997 00:13:38 +0100 >If you like Aphex I can recommend a group called "Download" and the >album "The eyes of Stanley Pain" on Off Beat records... For the fans looking for a "complete Richard D. James discography", follow the link: http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/afx.htm Paul H.K. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: Re: (kw) What if...? Date: 17 Feb 1997 01:06:35 +0100 Nice idea, but I guess it will stay a dream. Hasta luego Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at WWW: http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/usr/h85/h8551159/local.html ¿ Hay una discoteca por aquí ? > Von: Jef Planet > An: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Betreff: (kw) What if...? > Datum: Sonntag, 16. Februar 1997 23:27 > > Just to throw my $1.44 (canadian!) advice...what if the new album > was to be a live one recorded at tribal gathering 97... Remember that Ralf > said, when speaking about the mix that it has to be considered more or less > as a live album. This coud be logical since there was a lot of talk about a > mix II considerin the big omissions in the 1991 album such as man machine or > showroom dummies it start to make sense. We have to consider also that it > could be simultaneously broadcasted by the kraftwerk.com site in real audio > (so we buy the record for da sound kwality!).......pfffffft..... well, who > knows? > > > From Montreal this is Jef Planet sayin good night....and dream on! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) K promo: a short lived rumour Date: 17 Feb 1997 02:14:17 +0100 about two days ago, a friend of mine told me that he read on an italian dance music magazine (Trend Tuttodance, and not Trend Discotek as I privately stated to a fellow in the list) that Kraftwerk released a promo single. this promo was reviewed on this magazine and it was said it was pressed in 500 copies. we start to search it in the appropriate record shops of Rome, this friend of mine had even reached the journalist by telephone and asket for a tape of it. anyway, aftwer some search in the shops we were said that this "promo" was just made by a well known dilectant electronic musician that put together some samples. this explain why the journalist said my friend that it sounded nothing new... for those who want to know, the review it's a short paragraph long, and it says that the pieces are very nice. there is a little picture of the "cover": a black square with a generical promo sign. absolutely nothing klingklangesque. personal home page http://users.iol.it/lbo reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oliver Kess <101451.3333@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk/Tangerine Dream instruments Date: 17 Feb 1997 02:30:23 EST >---the mellotron does not use loops....the birotron does, and only a couple >or so were made. Hy, so how does the mellotron work, if it doesn't use loops? regards Oliver # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk/Tangerine Dream instruments Date: 17 Feb 1997 09:55:48 +0200 Oliver Kess wrote: > > >---the mellotron does not use loops....the birotron does, and only a couple > >or so were made. > > Hy, so how does the mellotron work, if it doesn't use loops? The tape, which is a few seconds long, rewinds after you release the key. Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam L Read Subject: (kw) Rumours and more......... Date: 17 Feb 1997 20:12:32 +1100 This is a message the appeared on the Analog Synths list today. Adam Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 03:32:00 +0100 From: CARCRUSHER@TRKPOOL.OB.RHEIN-RUHR.DE (Stefan Kraft) To: analogue@hyperreal.com I just had a talk with a guy who`s (in a way) involved with Kraftwerk. We talked about the new album and he told me the following: Ralf Hutter offered Bartos and Flur to join Kraftwerk again - Bartos refused immediately, Flur wanted to think about it The new album which they will bring out within the next few month (no exact date) seems to be already complete. My friend said it wouldn`t be a COMPLETELY new album, but there are also some new tracks on it. One is called Rendezvous and the other one is called "Der Kommissar". The rest of the album, which will be a double album (!), seems to be mostly old tracks but this is not clear by now. Hutter and Schneider also decided to use more analogue equipment on the new album (in contrast to the Mix where they used d*g*tal only). So, that`s what I got concerning (very secret, indeed) Kraftwerk info. Hope you like it. -Stefan - Sometimes we play our machines - sometimes our machines play us... - --------------------- Ralf Huetter, Kraftwerk ------------------------ ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Morrell Subject: (kw) Top 5? Date: 17 Feb 1997 09:47:45 -0500 (EST) I'm somewhat new to this list but have been a fan of Kraftwerk for some time. I first heard Autobahn back around 1980 and so far it is my favorite album. I've always tended to prefer their instrumental ambient stuff to the more poppish club sound. I'd be curious as to how the subscribers would rank Autobahn against their other work and what they believe their top 5 albums are. Please also indicate your preference for the "ambient" vs. "club" sound. Dave Morrell dmorrell@oeonline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Pilgrim Subject: (kw) Wine and dine the sound guys!! Date: 17 Feb 1997 17:08:18 -0800 Hi, I think the best approach to get the Kraftwerk Tribal performance taped is to find out who will be doing the sound and try to "pamper" them into recording straight out of the mixer. I'd send some Canadian "Moose head" beer to help out but first someone in the UK has to dig up the sound guys. Anyone up for it? Philip -- Philip Pilgrim The Lab Audio Works 5 Evan's Drive - Analog/Digital Recording/Processing Hammonds Plains - Acoustic Analysis and Consulting Nova Scotia, Canada - Analog Synth Modification and Repair B4B 1M8 - Computer/Synth Interfacing - Hardware/Software Development Home Phone +1.902.835.7844 Work Phone +1.902.868.2400 Home: pilgrim@atcon.com Work: ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Wine and dine the sound guys!! Date: 17 Feb 1997 23:22:58 +0100 Hi!=20 =20 What if they don't like Moose beer, perhaps an English brand would do=20 better?? :)=20 =20 (or why not a Swedish Absolut Vodka?)=20 =20 / Mats =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Top 5? Date: 17 Feb 1997 23:30:56 +0100 Hi!=20 =20 I don't think you can say in what order their albums are, which one the=20 best is and so on, as everybody probably has a different opinion.=20 =20 I would say though, the best album would be Computerworld/Computerwelt,=20 but I think all of them are good but in different ways and depending on=20 what mood you are in. I like Autobahn as well, but I don't think you=20 can compare it with for example The Mix as it is totally different and=20 17 years later. =20 =20 / Mats (mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se)=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: Re: (kw) Top 5? Date: 18 Feb 1997 08:45:49 +0100 Hi!=20 =20 I don't think you can say in what order their albums are, which one the=20 best is and so on, as everybody probably has a different opinion.=20 =20 I would say though, the best album would be Computerworld/Computerwelt,=20 but I think all of them are good but in different ways and depending on=20 what mood you are in. I like Autobahn as well, but I don't think you=20 can compare it with for example The Mix as it is totally different and=20 17 years later. =20 =20 / Mats (mats.kadmark@gfs.gu.se)=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J|rgen B|rjesson Subject: (kw) Kiel record stores + bootlegs Date: 18 Feb 1997 09:51:10 +0100 (MET) Hello everybody! Does anyone know if there are any good record shops in Kiel, Germany that might have a large selection of Kraftwerk records? Preferable not only the studio albums but also bootlegs and remix albums. Talking about bootlegs: Does anyone know where I can get hold of a bootleg from The Mix tour featuring a whole concert with very good/ excellent sound quality? (If there ARE any bootlegs like this???) Well, please let me know... /jorgen, e-mail: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #48 Date: 18 Feb 1997 10:39:16 GMT Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark):- >I agree that the fourth song on Aphex Twin's "Richard D. James Album"=20 >is quite KW-like, at least the drums...but I can't see the connection=20 >with "The Model".=20 I had another quick listen last night, and can now see the comparison; although to me it sounds as much like the Kraftwerk-influenced British electronic pop of the '70's and '80's as much as the original "source"! >If you like Aphex I can recommend a group called "Download" and the=20 >album "The eyes of Stanley Pain" on Off Beat records...(The other=20 >Download album isn't very good I think).=20 The other one being 'Furnace'? That's the only one I've heard, and it came as a disappointment: a big distorted mess. What's 'The Eyes...' like? (And, for relevance, is it more likely to appeal to a Kraftwerk fan? ;-) ). J P M :- >Has anyone heard this band Komputer,I was at RebelRebel in NY last week >and the owner told me about this group that sounds alot like KW .I was >wondering if anyone had any reveiws or the like . Some comments appeared in digests 3.19 and 3.20. >From: Otso Pakarinen >Actually the tapes were not looped. There WAS a looped version at the end >of 70's called Novatron I think. The Novatron models were built by Streetly Electronics (the same people responsible for the Mellotron, but they lost the rights to the name). I don't know whether there were any looping versions, but the initial models were the same as the Mellotron. Philip Pilgrim :- >I think the best approach to get the Kraftwerk Tribal performance >taped is to find out who will be doing the sound and try to "pamper" them >into recording straight out of the mixer. According to the Tribal Gathering web site, BBC Radio 1 is covering the event; but will they cover Kraftwerk, I wonder. Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ZAWREL Johann Date: 18 Feb 1997 13:23:00 +0100 > From: CARCRUSHER@TRKPOOL.OB.RHEIN-RUHR.DE (Stefan Kraft) >Hutter and Schneider also decided to use more analogue equipment on the >new album (in contrast to the Mix where they used d*g*tal only). >So, that`s what I got concerning (very secret, indeed) Kraftwerk info. >Hope you like it. I like it very much, but should I belive it ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bieler Subject: (kw) Re: Rumours and more......... Date: 18 Feb 1997 15:10:58 +0100 (MET) > My friend said it wouldn`t be a > COMPLETELY new album, but there are also some new tracks on it. One is > called Rendezvous and the other one is called "Der Kommissar". Just wanted to add that "Der Kommissar" translates to "The Inspector" . . . Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Re: Rumours and more......... Date: 18 Feb 1997 10:28:59 -0700 (MST) > My friend said it wouldn`t be a COMPLETELY new album, but there are also > some new tracks on it. One is called Rendezvous and the other one is > called "Der Kommissar". Kraftwerk covering Jean-Michel Jarre and Falco? Now *that's* a *rumor*! -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) Dowload Date: 18 Feb 1997 19:07:24 +0100 ------------=20 >If you like Aphex I can recommend a group called "Download" and the=20 >album "The eyes of Stanley Pain" on Off Beat records...=20 ------------=20 >What's 'The Eyes...' like? And, for relevance, is it more likely to=20 appeal to a Kraftwerk fan? =20 ------------=20 Yes, the other Download album I meant is =93Furnace=93, it is quite=20 crap I think (except for the unusual cover). =93The Eyes of Stanley=20 Pain=93 album is much better, it=92s more like Aphex Twin or the latest=20 Skinny Puppy album (The Process), if it would appeal to a Kraftwerk fan=20 like you isn=92t a very easy question to answer=85. : )=20 =20 / Mats =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: (kw) Covers (was: Re: Rumours and more.........) Date: 18 Feb 1997 13:36:51 -0500 I was reading this, and I thought, here's an entertaining thread to keep us busy until new Kraftwerk music washes ashore: What 10 or 15 songs would you like to hear Kraftwerk cover? Sure, they'd never do it, but it would be fun to imagine, eh? Here's my list: "Psycho Killer" - Talking Heads "Strangelove" - Depeche Mode "Madman Across The Water" - Elton John "1999" - Prince "Welcome To The Machine" - Pink Floyd "Driver 8" - REM "Planet Earth" - Duran Duran "Blue Monday" - New Order "Jumpin' Jack Flash" - The Rolling Stones "Down In It" - Nine Inch Nails "Left To My Own Devices" - Pet Shop Boys "Particle Man" - They Might Be Giants "Beautiful World" - Devo "Things That Dreams Are Made Of" - The Human League "Situation" - Yaz(oo) Can't you just hear them? "And the train conductor says, 'Take a break, driver 8'..." Sends shivers down my spine! :-) -- Adam J Weitzman "Getting [your computer] to work is no more Individual, Inc. difficult than building a nuclear reactor weitzman@individual.com from wristwatch parts using only your teeth." http://www.individual.com - Dave Barry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paulo Mouat Subject: (kw) Download albums Date: 18 Feb 1997 19:49:59 +0100 Kevin Busby wrote: > > Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark):- > > If you like Aphex I can recommend a group called "Download" and > > the album "The eyes of Stanley Pain" on Off Beat records...(The > > other Download album isn't very good I think). > > The other one being 'Furnace'? That's the only one I've heard, and it > came as a disappointment: a big distorted mess. What's 'The Eyes...' > like? (And, for relevance, is it more likely to appeal to a Kraftwerk > fan? ;-) ). It really depends on what you like in Kraftwerk... Drum&Bass, House, etc fans may dislike Download completely. I personally like the industrial and experimental genres and thus I find Download the next best thing beside Kraftwerk. Released Download material is (and I have all of it) 'Furnace,' 'Microscopic,' 'The Eyes Of Stanley Pain,' 'Sidewinder' and 'Charlie's Family Soundtrack.' 'The Eyes...' is more mainstream and consists of a variety of 'songs.' 'Furnace' is more experimental, and I find it more poetic. OTOH, 'Microscopic' is more ambient. Cheers! -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genepool@aol.com Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #48 Date: 18 Feb 1997 17:16:02 -0500 (EST) In a message dated 2/18/97 8:57:46 AM, you wrote: <> It actually has one tape strip and one play back head for each key. When the key is pressed, it drags the tape over the head. When it reaches the end (or the key is let up) , the note stops and resets to the beginning. Many of the melodies you hear played from mellotron were written because of this limitation. The Birotron used 8 track tapes so that the note could be held and looped. Both of these instruments are maintenance nightmares!! Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) the immedia news about Tribal Gathering Date: 18 Feb 1997 23:11:27 -0800 hello again. I just checked the site was telling you a little before. the relevant section says: start quote ---------------------------------- MUSIC NME.COM has announced KRAFTWERK will make their first live appearance in over 10 years at the May 24th TRIBAL GATHERING Festival, at Luton Hoo Estate, Luton, Bedfordshire. There will be ten separate stages at the event, featuring 100+ live acts with bands and DJs such as ORBITAL, DAFT PUNK, ALABAMA 3, EMPIRION, HARDFLOOR, TURBULANT FORCE, ANDREW WEATHERALL, SVEN VATH, CORNERSHOP, MOLOKO, RED SNAPPER, RED SHADOW, PSYCHONAUTS, JOHN PEEL, BLUE AMAZON, WAY OUT WEST, PAUL OAKENFOLD, JUNO REACTOR, BUNGY, GANJA KRU, and BLACK STAR LINER. For more information, call the info line at 0181 963 0940. end quote --------------------------------- now, some english listie can tell how far is, how to reach, how much the train will cost from London to this Luton? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) K news on www.nme.com? Date: 19 Feb 1997 00:02:01 +0100 while I was there, I tried also www.nme.com, from where the australian mag took the news about K. it was terribly slow and I could not find anything of what it promised. it open with a search box, I inputed kraftwerk and waited, then after minutes a dozen or so of links compeared. I tried to follow a couple of them, but no luck, it was just so slow that nothing happened and now I am going to sleep. maybe someone more committed would try and tell what I lose? if it can help, I add the links I pasted from the page. http://www.nme.com/970215/news/news10.html http://www.nme.com/970118/vibes/vibes3.html http://www.nme.com/970111/vibes/vibes3.html http://www.nme.com/961012/vibes/vibes5.html http://www.nme.com/961109/reviews/lps2.html http://www.nme.com/961116/vibes/vibes2.htm http://www.nme.com/961019/vibes/vibes2.html http://www.nme.com/961123/reviews/singles.html there were other, but were cgi links. if someone want them, tell me. personal home page http://users.iol.it/lbo reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron J. Grier" Subject: (kw) Re: ***INTRODUCTION*** Date: 18 Feb 1997 16:14:17 -0800 (PST) On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, oscar van der velde wrote: > In summer 1995 I heard some rappers rapping on the Man Machine! Does anyone > know by who it was? Most likely 2LiveCrew's "Dick Almighty". ---- The Finn / VLA | Aaron J. Grier | agrier@metro.grumblesmurf.net, DECBEE650DEE3A0C 1ED7F54D9E023CC4 | agrier@reed.edu, ...reed!vla!agrier "Not your ordinary poofy goof." | 0x0663D1A9 at a server near you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.G. Wong (Fiveman)" Subject: (kw) Re: kraftwerk / T. Dream instruments Date: 18 Feb 1997 19:37:18 -0500 > --the mellotron does not use loops....the birotron does, and only a couple > or so were made. > There is such a beast as a loop Mellotron. I'm surprised that anyone who would know such ephemera as Birotron wouldn't know that. The question now is: Did Kraftwerk use them or did they just use the plain old Mk2 or M400. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) about K at Tribal Gathering Date: 18 Feb 1997 23:05:56 +0100 hello, I just received this mail about a music site that may be of interest. start quote --------------------------------- [...] Issue 45 of IN MUSIC & MEDIA is online now at http://www.immedia.com.au/im_m/ [...] This week's Contents: [...] ZENTERTAINMENT MUSIC & FILM NEWS: MUSIC: KRAFTWERK live at Tribal Gathering... TRICKY news... [...] Submissions, info requests, or mailing list updates can be sent to mattj@immedia.com.au end quote --------------------------- personal home page http://users.iol.it/lbo reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcus Fjellström Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk / T. Dream instruments Date: 20 Feb 1997 00:45:17 +0100 J.G. Wong (Fiveman) wrote: > > > --the mellotron does not use loops....the birotron does, and only a couple > > or so were made. > There is such a beast as a loop Mellotron. I'm surprised that anyone > who would know such ephemera as Birotron wouldn't know that. Maybe he read it in "Vintage Synthesizers" by Mark Vail, well, that's where I picked it up. Nice picture, too. So there IS a loop mellotron? Well, better read through that chapter about that Mellow keyboard again. > The > question now is: Did Kraftwerk use them or did they just use the plain > old Mk2 or M400. They might've used some Mellotron loop/Birotron, or they maybe just crossfaded sustained chord recordings to make it sound looooong. (I'm thinking about "The Voice Of Energy" in particular. No way that choir's just sustained for 8 seconds...) Love to you all. /Marco Pop # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #48 Date: 19 Feb 1997 16:47:43 +0000 Kevin Busby was saying: >>Actually the tapes were not looped. There WAS a looped version at the end >>of 70's called Novatron I think. >The Novatron models were built by Streetly Electronics (the same people >responsible for the Mellotron, but they lost the rights to the name). I >don't know whether there were any looping versions, but the initial models >were the same as the Mellotron. Mmm, if I can just clarify this whole thing. Correct - the Mellotron only had lengths of tape, not arranged in loops. They were just strips of tape 8 seconds long each, and when you press a key, the tape gets wound past a playback head. Release the key, and the tape springs back into the bin ready for the next time. The advantage of this is that you can have attack on the notes, so things that change in timbrality or volume (eg, the famous flutes) can sound more realistic. The Novatron, I think, was basically the same thing. The Birotron, designed for Rick Wakeman and around the same idea, had looped 8-track tapes. >>I think the best approach to get the Kraftwerk Tribal performance >>taped is to find out who will be doing the sound and try to "pamper" them >>into recording straight out of the mixer. >According to the Tribal Gathering web site, BBC Radio 1 is covering the >event; but will they cover Kraftwerk, I wonder. I've heard (from my brother) that Kraftwerk are not merely "playing" at the Tribal Gathering... they are to be something of a centrepiece, the main attraction of the show. They'll be getting a slot several times longer than other players there. The BBC would be doing a great injustice if they did not cover the main players and star guests!!! I think it should be televised (but that's unlikely). -- /=====================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | |Irish Electroacoustic Music Association | JarreVangelisTomitaCarlos | |Synthesizer Freak | |ErasurePinhasTangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.net/customers/Alliance)| \=====================================================================/ "Musak is the shit you hear in elevators and supermarkets". -- Jean Michel Jarre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW rhythms Date: 19 Feb 1997 23:08:03 EST I was wondering if anyone knows what sort of rhythm machines are used on the albums before "Electric Cafe." Were they pads being hit by someone holding drumsticks or were they pre-programmed. I know that the modern drum machine was invented in 1981. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) KW rhythms Date: 19 Feb 1997 23:47:40 -0500 >I was wondering if anyone knows what sort of rhythm machines are used on >the albums before "Electric Cafe." Were they pads being hit by someone >holding drumsticks or were they pre-programmed. I know that the modern >drum machine was invented in 1981. Peace. There is so much to be said on this topic, but I'll save most of my thoughts to allow others to participate in this discussion. What I will contribute is the following. Bearing in mind that the band contained actual live drummers up until 1971, the 'Kraftwerk 2' album saw the introduction of the first rhythm machines into the group. Here's a quote from Bussy's book to elaborate on this: ************** "By this time, having parted company with previous drummers, 'Kraftwerk 2' features no conventional drumming at all - the rhythm being produced by a rhythm machine and an echo box. At the time, drum machines were very much limited to the sort of rhythm box that could be found in an electric organ and would have a few pre-programmed beats like a bossanova. Ralf Huetter: "'In 1971 Kraftwerk was still without a drummer, so I bought a cheap drum machine giving some preset dance rhythms. By changing the basic sounds with tape echo and filtering we made the rhythm tracks for our second album...'" ************** Florian has become notorious for having been the guy who would take apart the components of old electric organs and rework them into Kraftwerk's classic "knitting needle" percussive devices that Wolfgang and Karl were always playing. There's great footage of them using these devices in the video for "The Model" that features the band performing in KlingKlang Studios, interspersed with black and white vintage footage of models walking up and down the runways. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "She's looking good - for beauty we will pay..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marcud Fjellbert Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk / T. Dream instruments Date: 20 Feb 1997 12:40:33 +0100 > << (I'm > thinking about "The Voice Of Energy" in particular. No way that choir's just > sustained for 8 seconds...) >> > > ..i don't think there is a choir in "The Voice of Energy" - perhaps "Uranium" > i can see your point....... Oh yes, Uranium I mean. Sorry... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk Digest V3 #48 Date: 20 Feb 1997 10:12:03 -0700 (MST) > I've heard (from my brother) that Kraftwerk are not merely "playing" at the > Tribal Gathering... they are to be something of a centrepiece, the main > attraction of the show. They'll be getting a slot several times longer than > other players there. The BBC would be doing a great injustice if they did not > cover the main players and star guests!!! I think it should be televised (but > that's unlikely). But it's *very* likely that -- if they actually end up playing -- the show will be bootlegged to hell and gone. Which is fine with me! -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk / T. Dream instruments Date: 19 Feb 1997 19:00:03 +0000 Marcus Fjellstrm was saying: >> > --the mellotron does not use loops....the birotron does, and only a >> > couple or so were made. >> There is such a beast as a loop Mellotron. I'm surprised that anyone >> who would know such ephemera as Birotron wouldn't know that. >Maybe he read it in "Vintage Synthesizers" by Mark Vail, well, that's where I > picked it up. Nice picture, too. So there IS a loop mellotron? Well, better >read through that chapter about that Mellow keyboard again. No! There is no "loop Mellotron" :) >> The >> question now is: Did Kraftwerk use them or did they just use the plain >> old Mk2 or M400. >They might've used some Mellotron loop/Birotron, or they maybe just >crossfaded sustained chord recordings to make it sound looooong. (I'm >thinking about "The Voice Of Energy" in particular. No way that choir's just >sustained for 8 seconds...) Firstly, it's most likely they used the M400 - that was the most popular model. To your point on the Voice of the Energy - that's very easy to do. All you have to do is use a multitrack recorder. Then layer the Mellotron sounds on each track. Track 1 :<--- 8 second choir sound ---><--- 8 second choir sound ----> Track 2: <---8 second choir sound ----- ><8 second choir sound> When that is mixed, it sounds like there is no break between the sounds, if you do the fading etc. properly. I had to do this myself a few times for a long rainstorm background sound - the sample given on CD was only 3 minutes long, and I needed 15 minutes. Once it was recorded, there was no way of telling where the gaps were. -- /=====================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | |Irish Electroacoustic Music Association | JarreVangelisTomitaCarlos | |Synthesizer Freak | |ErasurePinhasTangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.net/customers/Alliance)| \=====================================================================/ "Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate mot**rf**c*er" - Anon. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam L Read Subject: Re: (kw) Re: kraftwerk / T. Dream instruments Date: 21 Feb 1997 08:12:13 +1100 Marcud Fjellbert wrote: > > > << (I'm > > thinking about "The Voice Of Energy" in particular. No way that choir's just > > sustained for 8 seconds...) >> > > > > ..i don't think there is a choir in "The Voice of Energy" - perhaps "Uranium" > > i can see your point....... > > Oh yes, Uranium I mean. Sorry... Considering that the note doesn't change, I suspect that they used just an old fashioned tape loop. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) K on Melody Maker Date: 21 Feb 1997 00:00:27 +0100 On page 4 of the english magazine Melody Maker of february 15th there is a short article about the Kraftwerk presence at the Tribal Gathering. for the "completists" ;-), the article come with a live bw pic of the Ralf-Florian-Hilpert-Abrantes formation. here are the most relevant parts. "Kraftwerk have been confirmed to headline this year's Tribal Gathering= [...]. Organizers believe that the band's presence will attract various legendary Detroit house musicians who have been influenced by Kraftwerk, and the festival will dedicate a tent to the genre. [...]=20 Other acts confirmed for the event include Orbital, Daft Punk and DJ Shadow. Tickets are =A335 from the usual outlets or by credit card through 0171-4330044 or 0541-500044. Tribal Gathering promoter Paul Shurey of Universe said: 'After two years of trying and a long haul, we've succeeded in persuading Kraftwerk to come out of retirement and play their first live show in years. The significance of this is that a lot of the techno house pioneers from America all cite Kraftwerk ad their primary musical influence and Ian Jenkinson, my partner, is currently in Detroit persuading a lot of the original techno legends to come out of retirements. We feel confident that they will, now that we know Kraftwerk are playing'. [there will be thematics tents, artists-tent couplings follow] The Detroit Tent will be confirmed next week. Kraftwerk will be playing in their own tent which we're calling the Trans Atlantic tent. We're going to rebuild their entire german studio on stage, which will be a technical nightmare. And after the've played, we will be having some massive american djs, including Marshal Jefferson and Deep Dish from Florida. [other artist-tent descriptions]". personal home page http://users.iol.it/lbo reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J.G. Wong (Fiveman)" Subject: (kw) Mellotron again Date: 20 Feb 1997 22:16:49 -0500 >Maybe he read it in "Vintage Synthesizers" by Mark Vail, well, that's where I > picked it up. Nice picture, too. So there IS a loop mellotron? Well, better >read through that chapter about that Mellow keyboard again. >No! There is no "loop Mellotron" :) In fact the loop Mellotron was used by Tangerine Dream. It was two SM 400s spliced together painted black and Edgar Froese used it for many years. I got to see the insides of one while they were setting up for a gig (this was a little while ago as you can guess) and having owned an SM 400 and a Mk2 myself I can tell you it had a very different tape rack configuration. It was perhaps one of a kind, but I don't know that for sure. Not to get too far off of the subject of Kraftwerk. It could very well be that they used either custom tape sets in a 400 series machine and electronic processing or they used the "tron" trick where you lift your fingers off the keys individually while playing creating faux sustain. Or even custom tape sets in a Mk 2 which has two keyboards and 64' tapes (compared to about a meter in a 400). Many bands recorded with Mk2's and toured with 400's (Genesis , King Crimson) The Mk2 takes a whole day to fix when they break down, the 400 requires the change of a tape rack and some head cleaner, fifteen minutes. I never saw Kraftwerk use one on stage. It would be a good bet that if they were using them back then that they were in touch with the developers and that were playing tricked out maxed out versions with exactly what they wanted inside. Anybody ever see one in their rig? Fiveman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gabe Yedid Subject: (kw) format of new double album... Date: 20 Feb 1997 21:47:04 -0500 (EST) from the sound of this: a double album some new tracks some old ones (maybe remixed)? it sounds rather like Ralf and Florian must have liked the concept (if not the music) on Edgar Froese's _Beyond The Storm_. Brendan...? Gabe Gabe Yedid email: gabe@cs.mcgill.ca Dept. of Biology, McGill University bleo@musicb.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada gyedid@po-box.mcgill.ca "Understanding is a three-edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth." --Capt. John J. Sheridan, "Babylon 5" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) House, techno, and the Gods Date: 21 Feb 1997 01:44:32 EST >>> Deep Dish from Florida. <<< Actually, Deep Dish, the production team and record label, is based in Washington, DC. Maybe you're getting Deep Dish mixed up with MURK? Both released stuff on TRIBAL America/IRS/EMI and TRIBAL UK, naah mean? House got started in Chicago, and techno came from Detroit as that city's version of house. Marshall Jefferson's (was maybe?) based in Chicago, Derrick May's based in Detroit. You lucky UK people have Jefferson's incredible 4 Liberty Records, while we US people have to suffer, even though the music comes from here! WAAAAH! But, to get back to KW, it would be phat if Marshall Jefferson, Kevin Saunderson, or even Derrick May would produce tracks for the gods.... Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Subject: (kw) drumsound/drum-machine Date: 21 Feb 1997 12:14:22 MET i think what they have done to achieve their unique drum sound is to create the drumsound with an analogue-modular system or any other synth and to trigger this sound by a cv/gate-impulse which comes from the pads played by Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Fluer. some of the sounds on the albums have been triggered by an analogue-sequencer to have a montone, robotic, man-machine rhythm. i think this way they've built their very own and maybe the first drum-machine in general. claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Civilization is the enemy of humanity Sturm und Klang fuer jedermann # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Subject: (kw) Another KW article from the WEB Date: 21 Feb 1997 09:00:37 -0500 Found this little tidbit @ http://www.alterworld.com/asleaze.2.8.97.html: German electro-pop pioneers KRAFTWERK are to play their first live gig in five years. THE MODEL chart-toppers will reform after a four year break to play at Britain's annual rave weekend festival TRIBAL GATHERING in May. Festival co-ordinators THE MEAN FIDDLER ORGANISATION are delighted the pop veterans have agreed to appear - after years of trying to persuade them to play. A spokesman says, "It's the first live show in a long while and we are chuffed they have choosen to play live for us. We've attempted to sign them up for the bill every year so far." The band only agreed to play at this year's festival if organizers agreed to rebuild their studio. An unnamed MEAN FIDDLER ORGANISATION concert promoter bumped into founder RALF HUTTER on a cycling tour in Europe last year and persuaded the keyboard wizard to reform the group for the British rave event. But festival spokesman PAUL SHUREY admits there were strings attached to the deal. He explains, "They said they would only agree to play if we rebuilt their studio exactly as it is in Germany on the Tribal Gathering site for them in May." Other acts on the Gathering bill include ORBITAL, DAFT PUNK, BLACK STAR LINER and CORNER SHOP, with DJs including JOHN PEEL, PAUL OAKENFOLD and LAURENT GARNIER. The festival will return to its Luton Hoo, England, site, where it was forced to move to last year after locals living near its Otmoor Park base in Oxfordshire complained about noise and traffic pollution. See you all there! -John (MNS) Talbert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBOT Subject: (kw) KlingKlang ReBuilt?!! Date: 21 Feb 1997 11:11:28 -0800 'Tag! *WOW* -How can they rebuild the entire KlingKlang Studio for The Tribal Gathering? I thought it was a blend of custom-made equipment and no-longer-available components. That's a Major Technological NightMare INDEED!!*YIKES*!! "Seven TONS of Sound"! Jeez, I wouldn't want to truck all that stuff around either! But, then, I wouldn't mind being one of the Engineers WERKing on it so I could find out just exactly what they've GOT inSide it all!*DROOL*! I'd LOVE to draw the Schematics! Ofcourse, if I were a Billionaire, I could build an exact copy of KlingKlang right here in America so the boys could come over and play anytime they want! -(Dream ON.)- I'd do some serious Animatronics, too! 'Put Disney to Shame, Hee-Hee! :] ROBOSMILEY ROBOT@humboldt1.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Date: 22 Feb 1997 19:10:08 +0000 A new Kraftwerk release is definitely (sic!) scheduled for 1997, according to New Life 02/1997. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Rumour Date: 22 Feb 1997 19:10:08 +0000 Taken from alt.music.synthpop: > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:58:34 -0800 > kraftwerk will perform live at 24/25 may in england at a festival. > A new CD should also be released. Maybe at first in england. > EMI Germany have a tape with 4 new songs. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lars Nellemann Subject: (kw) Trancewerk Express II Date: 22 Feb 1997 11:10:26 +0100 (MET) I'm not quite sure if this has been mentioned before, but a Trancewerk Express II has emerged from Cleopatra. The tracks are: 1.54 Intro Martin O. (This is not a Kraftwerk cover) 5.52 Airwave Martin O. 5.13 Ruckzuck Robotron 5.14 Man Machine Zero Gravity 6.04 Sex Object O.T. Zehn 7.07 Tour de France Interfaith 6.43 Numbers Pygmy Taxi Corp. 8.04 Pocket Calculator Voight Kampff 7.39 Kometenmelodie O.T. Zehn 2.28 "Exit" not listed on cover and not a genuine KW cover song. Well, none of the bands are familiar to me, just like it was om Trancewerk Express I, However a sticker on the cover informs me that Robotron is a collaboration between Richard H. Kirk of Cabaret Voltaire and Ralph Dorpler of Die Krupps. If you want to obtain this item, you can contact Cleopatra 8726 S. Sepulveda Blvd. Ste D-82 Los Angeles CA 90045 USA Fax 310 821-4702 or Caroline Credit card orders 213 466-7276 -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * Royal Veterinary & Agricultural * * * University * * ******************************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) As if you haven't got enough mods already... Date: 23 Feb 1997 03:49:20 +0100 Hi, all! Amiga users (or anyone with an lha-unarchiver) can find a new KW tribute by someone called Stefan Van Driessche in protracker format at an Aminet site near you, e.g: http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/aminet/dirs/mods_techn.html - Look for "AmigaKraft.lha" Anyone stuck with another computer can either mail me for a zipped (or whatever) version, or wait until I get the time to put it on my homepage. Gerade aus! -- _______________________________________________ E M A N U E L M A I R // All animals are equal, but some animals are | mair@medstud.gu.se \\ // more equal than others - Orwell, Animal Farm| GSM:+46-(0)70-7819014 \X/ SYSTEM ALERT #0.998 System Error:"Intel Inside"| http://medstud.gu.se/~mair SYSTEM ALERT #2 Virus Detected: "Windows 95" | |______Team AMIGA_____________________/boing\__________/bumm\_______/tschak # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Translation problem #2 Date: 22 Feb 1997 21:57:41 EST Can all y'all German-language speakers help me again, please? I recently purchased "Wechselspannung 2" by Pete Namlook & Jonah Sharp on the Fax label. One of the titles on the CD is "Hansauschluss" (I hope I'm spelling this right), where "ss" = that funny looking letter that looks like a "b." So, can you tell me what this means? Thanks. >>> EMI Germany has a tape with 4 new songs. <<< Has anyone heard this new KW joint, or are we searching for needles in haystacks? And, any US people have news on a label, or are they still on Elektra (has anyone seen their web site regarding You Know Who?)? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be (Emmanuel Goedseels) Subject: (kw) TELEX Web Site Date: 23 Feb 1997 15:56:49 +0100 Hello, I know some of the members of this list are interested in TELEX, the wondeful Belgian electronic band. They are working as slowely as Kraftwerk since their latest CD has been released in '86. If you want to know more abou them, go the the UK FanClub site : http://members.aol.com/TelexUK/index.html You'll find a lot of information, including how to order their records directly from their record label. Regards Emmanuel goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thilo Mezger Subject: Re: (kw) Translation problem #2 Date: 23 Feb 1997 23:22:32 +0100 (MET) On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Adam Schefflan wrote: > label. One of the titles on the CD is "Hansauschluss" (I hope I'm > spelling this right), where "ss" = that funny looking letter that looks > like a "b." So, can you tell me what this means? Thanks. Hansausschluss = exclusion of Hans But you probably mean "Hausanschluss" which means "(cable/electricity) connection to a house. The funny looking letter that looks like a Greek beta is called sz (-ligature), might be replaced by a "ss". Hope that helps Thilo _________ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ Thilo.Mezger@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de |___ ___| | |_| | | | | | / _ \ http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ua5m/ | | | _ | | | | |___ ( (_) ) Stop Pollution - Create Eevolution |_| |_| |_| |_| |____| \___/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reticulum4@aol.com Subject: (kw) (NON LIST) SINGER WANTED in SF BAY AREA Date: 23 Feb 1997 18:16:17 -0500 (EST) I am working on a project...I already have songs written. I need a singer to sing them so I (we) can put out a CD. The project sound like a mix of info society/erasure/techno/house. Anyone interested? Email me directly on this. Thanks!! Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBOT Subject: (kw) Looking for "Enchanted Lake" Date: 22 Feb 1997 22:01:28 -0800 ------------7B6F41E636922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Fellow MusiK Lovers, While we anxiously await for more KW news, I hope someone out there in Mail List Land can help me find a tune called "Enchanted Lake", a TECHNOfied version of Tchaikovsky's "Swan Lake", from a little-known movie called "Tomcat: Dangerous Desires". A Fellow SCIFI DOMINIONite wants it- and so do I! I'm sure I'd like it, too! -(He doesn't know the Artist.)- Any info by private Email would be Greatly Appreciated! Thanx! ps: AMP is on tonight! I wish they play a KW Video. My VCR Unit is Primed and Ready! -(I can't believe they played The Model the ONE time I missed it!)- ROBOT@humboldt1.com ------------7B6F41E636922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dear Fellow MusiK Lovers,
While we anxiously await for more KW news, I hope someone out there in Mail List Land can help me find a tune called "Enchanted Lake", a TECHNOfied version of Tchaikovsky's "Swan Lake", from a little-known movie called "Tomcat: Dangerous Desires". A Fellow SCIFI DOMINIONite wants it- and so do I! I'm sure I'd like it, too! -(He doesn't know the Artist.)- Any info by private Email would be Greatly Appreciated! Thanx!
 
ps: AMP is on tonight! I wish they play a KW Video. My VCR Unit is Primed and Ready! -(I can't believe they played The Model the ONE time I missed it!)-
 
ROBOT@humboldt1.com
------------7B6F41E636922-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Dutton Subject: (kw) live dates this year Date: 23 Feb 1997 21:08:06 +0000 I know Kraftwerk are booked to be playing at Tribal Gathering this year. I've also heard rumours they are playing in Paris? Does anyone know if this is true? And if so, when? John # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Finbom" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Live Date: 24 Feb 1997 07:42:03 +0100 Yes. It's a fact that Kraftwerk will play in the UK. But i've heard rumors thetthey shall pley in other countrys too. I heard thet thay are comming to Sweden. Does anyone know if this is true?? Magnus Finbom Storegårdsvägen 11C 541 38 Skövde Tel:+46-(0)500-418227 mailto:finbom@hem.passagen.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Live Date: 24 Feb 1997 09:25:43 -0500 >Yes. It's a fact that Kraftwerk will play in the UK. >But i've heard rumors thetthey shall pley in other countrys too. > >I heard thet thay are comming to Sweden. Does anyone know if this is true?? I haven't heard anything myself just yet regarding live KW performances in other countries, but as soon as anyone should hear that they'll be coming to the United States, please don't hesitate to post whatever you heard. Even if it's a rumour, I can still appreciate it! hehe :O) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill barnhill@easyway.net "Boing Boom Tschak..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) completely off topic... Date: 25 Feb 1997 04:03:30 +0100 I see that there are some german fellows here. I need to know if the Zillo vinyl anthology have some collectable value. I see a "romantic" compilation with group like Dead Can Dance, And Also the Trees etc. for the equivalent of 35 DM. I already have the song I like so I'm not really mad about it. for the same equivalent of 35 DM I also see a spanish vinyl copy of TEE. no spanish versions, made in Barcelona, original - not a reprint. what about this? personal home page http://users.iol.it/lbo reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: (kw) where is TribGat? Date: 25 Feb 1997 04:27:05 +0100 could some english fellow tell how far is this Luton place where they'll have the Tribal Gathering? how to get there from, say, London, which train, how much the fares, if there are places to sleep there and for how much, etc.? personal home page http://users.iol.it/lbo reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) live dates this year Date: 25 Feb 1997 04:31:30 +0100 At 21:08 23/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >I know Kraftwerk are booked to be playing at Tribal Gathering this year. > >I've also heard rumours they are playing in Paris? Does anyone know if >this is true? just for talking, a friend of mine noted that there should be a special event in Austria (maybe the Ars Electronica in Linz?) in a date close to the TribG, so we thought, if K make all this mess (moving Klingklang), it would be unlikely that they do so for just one date. then again, maybe Ars Electronica is not going to take place in may nor in Austria... personal home page http://users.iol.it/lbo reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: altrnote@sprynet.com Subject: (kw) more introductions Date: 24 Feb 1997 21:00:58 -0800 Hello Co-werkers, My name is Joe Schepis and I am a new subscriber to this list. I have been reading the list at work through archives for awhile but could not subscribe until I got email at home. I also wanted to read ALL the old messages before I subscribed but there were so many I figured I would catch up later. I'm 33 and I live in New York City's northern suburbs, Westchester. I work at a software company and also teach broadcasting. I am also an electronic musician, and build circuits and write MIDI software. The first time I heard Kraftwerk was in 1977 in a record store. They played Trans-Europe Express and I thought it was the most interesting sounding music I had ever heard. I bought it some time later and played it to death. A year later I saw The Man-Machine in a record store, bought it right then, and have been hooked ever since. I saw Kraftwerk live at the 8-3-81 concert in NY City at The Ritz. I have a pretty big KW collection now, mostly vinyl, including many European 45s. Soon I would like to list my collection on my forthcoming web page. I have some doubles of things to trade. This has been a very interesting list and I read it whenever I can. I can't talk to my friends about KW the way I can with all of you, so I look forward to being a subscriber. If there really is new KW material due out soon this is the best place to hear about it! That's it for now. Joe Schepis altrnote@sprynet.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) TB-303 Date: 25 Feb 1997 02:20:04 EST >>> Classic acid...the 303 really has a very distinct sound, owing a lot to its filter design and electronics...(Remember to tweak the knobs while it's running...) <<< OK, I know exactly what you're talkin' 'bout. However, in the classic Chicago acid-house records, were the attack (envelope, maybe?--the overall sound stays the same) changes programmed directly into the machine, or were knobs actually manually tweaked? The 909 must have that thick "gulping" sound, but there was another sound used in the classic acid records that was neither classic 808 or 909 sounds...the bass drum from this module has a very high attack, the classic Roland claps, and many bell-like sounds, as well as a canned-sounding snare that sounds sorta like a stereotypical snare drum. D'you know what machine this was? And, is "ReBirth" as flexible as the real things? Has anyone actually heard any of those new Kraftwerk joints yet? What do they sound like???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Das Model" by Garden Eden Date: 25 Feb 1997 20:45:18 +0000 There is a new Kraftwerk cover version out on Elixier/Intercord: Garden Eden: "Das Model" Format: - CD single (catalogue number: INT 828.157) - 12" single Tracklisting: 1. Das Model (Radio Edit) 3:18" 2. Das Model (Extended Version) 5:15" 3. Das Model (Jules Verne Remix) 5:50" 4. The Mirror 4:13" Produced by Felix J. Gauder & Olaf Roberto Bossi. Of note: The credits state Klingklang MV and Elektric Music as publishers for "Das Model". (Does this mean that Karl Bartos owns parts of the publishing rights, or what?!?) Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Live Date: 25 Feb 1997 16:46:03 +0000 Scott M. Barnhill was saying: >>Yes. It's a fact that Kraftwerk will play in the UK. >>But i've heard rumors thetthey shall pley in other countrys too. >> >>I heard thet thay are comming to Sweden. Does anyone know if this is true?? > I haven't heard anything myself just yet regarding live KW >performances in other countries, but as soon as anyone should hear that >they'll be coming to the United States, please don't hesitate to post >whatever you heard. Even if it's a rumour, I can still appreciate it! hehe Hey - did you hear about Kraftwerk's new world tour ? Apparently they play 9 venues in the US. NINE! -- /=====================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | |Irish Electroacoustic Music Association | JarreVangelisTomitaCarlos | |Synthesizer Freak | |ErasurePinhasTangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.net/customers/Alliance)| \=====================================================================/ "Growth for it's own sake is the ideology of cancer" - Edward Abbey # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Live Date: 25 Feb 1997 19:32:00 -0500 >Hey - did you hear about Kraftwerk's new world tour ? Apparently they play 9 >venues in the US. NINE! Where'd this information come from and does anyone have a list of the supposed nine venues?!?!?!?! -Scott- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otso Pakarinen Subject: Re: (kw) "Das Model" by Garden Eden Date: 26 Feb 1997 09:21:41 +0200 Klaus Zaepke wrote: > Of note: The credits state Klingklang MV and Elektric Music as > publishers for "Das Model". (Does this mean that Karl Bartos owns parts > of the publishing rights, or what?!?) Well, he co-wrote it with Hutter, didn't he? Otso # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Schneider Subject: (kw) KW-Article Date: 26 Feb 1997 12:40:41 GMT Hi, the Guardian (a newspaper here in the UK) published this morning Wednesday, February 26th, a wonderful, long article about KW. The paper has a web-site at http://go2.guardian.co.uk/paper.html but it seems that they haven't loaded up the article yet. If they don,t and anyone wants it, I will key it in and can send it as an ASCII text file - it will take a day or two, however, as it's quite long, and I've got a shedful of work to do. Anyway, the article is great - a lot of stuff we know already, of course, but still - any mention of the Duesseldorfers is better than none! Let me know anyway, Regards, Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jplanet@generation.net (Jef Planet) Subject: (kw) Look carefully Date: 26 Feb 1997 08:30:41 -0500 Hi guys...just listened to Musique Plus (french canadian MTV) and i saw Beck's last video (the new pollution) take a close look at it and you will find for about 5 seconds kw look alikes....the gag is there is one black fellow in the band! Kool shit. The song is almost good.=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * * * COMBATTEZ LE POST-MODERNISME........SOYEZ FUTURISTE! * * * * ET COUREZ LA CHANCE DE DEVENIR MON MINISTRE DE LA CR=C8ME GLAC=C9E = * * * * JEF PLANET.......................jplanet@generation.net * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mats.Kadmark@gfs.gu.se (Mats Kadmark) Subject: (kw) USA-tour Date: 26 Feb 1997 14:31:50 +0100 Scott wrote: =20 =20 Where'd this information come from and does anyone have a list of=20 the supposed nine venues?!?!?!?!=20 __________________________=20 You wanted a rumour...now you definately got a BIG one...!!! :)=20 =20 Mats=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Bowie namechecks Kraftwerk (once more) Date: 26 Feb 1997 15:55:17 +0000 Found at alt.fan.david-bowie: > Subject: Bowie on "Wetten dass": Report > > On Saturday, February 22nd, at 20.15, Bowie appeared on the German TV > show, "Wetten dass". [...] > He did what seems to be his standard schtick now for German TV audiences, > which was to talk about the origins of techno and name-check all the > German bands who were influential in it. On this occasion, he name-checked > Kraftwerk, Harmonia and Neu. He got a nice piece of audience participation > going by asking all the Kraftwerk fans in the audience to clap (a few did), then > the Harmonia fans (less did) and finally Neu (only one person did). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) USA-tour Date: 26 Feb 1997 11:34:54 -0500 >>Where'd this information come from and does anyone have a list of >>the supposed nine venues?!?!?!?! >You wanted a rumour...now you definately got a BIG one...!!! :) Indeed! The human psyche is surely an odd thing. I certainly do prefer a rumour of this sort regarding KW to none at all, provided that the rumour was generated by some (at least semi-respected) publication or media vehicle rather than by the mind of a somewhat sadistic fan somewhere outside the U.S. that has already seen them perform live 6 times already. hehe... :o) I would imagine that hope plays a role of great importance at this stage. With Kraftwerk booked at the Tribal Gathering this Spring, as well as the unending barrage of reports flooding in regarding an upcoming new album release by the band, it doesn't seem an impossibility that KW would at the very least consider playing the States once again. A fan can dream, right? :o) -Scott- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: (kw) New Member Date: 26 Feb 1997 17:05:16 -0000 Hi there all 'Werk-a-hollics', Just a quick note to say hello to all fellow Kraftwerk fans and to give = you a brief summary of myself. My name is Craig and I live in Milton Keynes, England (about 20 miles = from this years Tribal Gathering!). I am 30 years old and have all of = Kraftwerks releases apart from the Organisation album Tone Float and Man = Machine on red vinyl. I haven't really bothered with the 7 inch vinyl = but do have some rare material. If anyone knows of a copy of Tone Float = available for sale, please let me know. I am a part time DJ specialising in House, Techno, Electro and have = progressed to this type of music from being influenced by Kraftwerk, = Gary Numan, Depeche Mode and most other forms of electronic music in my = early days of record collecting. I am looking forward to seing Kraftwerk again at Tribal Gathering, as I = last saw them at the Brixton Accademy in '91. Lets hope there is new = material! Maybe the formation of Electric Musik and the release of = their album has prompted Ralf and Florian to actualy produce something = new, who knows?!! Over and out. Craig. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Live Date: 26 Feb 1997 18:55:43 +0000 Scott M. Barnhill was saying: >>Hey - did you hear about Kraftwerk's new world tour ? Apparently they play 9 >>venues in the US. NINE! > Where'd this information come from and does anyone have a list of >the supposed nine venues?!?!?!?! (serious mode) It was ME that posted the above, and it was intended as a JOKE, and a JOKE only!!! I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but in just in case - list members - do NOT take this seriously! Read the original post again, and look up the word "sarcasm" in the dictionary :-) -- /=====================================================================\ |Brendan Heading (brendan@heading.demon.co.uk) - Webpage online soon | |Irish Electroacoustic Music Association | JarreVangelisTomitaCarlos | |Synthesizer Freak | |ErasurePinhasTangerineDream | |Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (www.unite.net/customers/Alliance)| \=====================================================================/ "We throw each piece of equipment out of the third floor of our studio complex. If it is still functioning correctly, we'll take it on the road. If not, we send it back to Tokyo!! " - Edgar Froese # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Re: "Das Model" by Garden Eden Date: 26 Feb 1997 20:58:12 +0100 (NFT) > > Of note: The credits state Klingklang MV and Elektric Music as > > publishers for "Das Model". (Does this mean that Karl Bartos owns parts > > of the publishing rights, or what?!?) > > Well, he co-wrote it with Hutter, didn't he? True, but authorship doesn't necessarily grant publishing rights, so I am surprised, especially since *every* other source states Kling-Klang as the only publishers for that song. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) USA-tour Date: 26 Feb 1997 20:39:16 +0100 (NFT) > it doesn't seem an impossibility that KW would at the very least > consider playing the States once again. Am I correctly informed that there is a new US law which contains various restrictions for playback performances? In 1992 it was rumoured that this law was the reason for the cancellation of the US tour. Is this a plausible explanation? Or does anyone know any hard facts why Kraftwerk cancelled the US tour? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "KRiSTiAN " Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:34:54 +0100 Subject: (kw) A new Member... Suprised Hi... You have a new member on this list ... It´s me.. My name is Kristian and I´m 17 years old and from Sweden ... I live in a little town callled Eslöv .. yeah , strange name... I´ve been listening to Kraftwerk and other groups like them for about 3,5 years.. I think they´re great ... and hope to see them live some time .. // _KRiSTiAN_ kristian@iname.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) The Stepford Wives Date: 26 Feb 1997 20:25:01 -0500 (EST) Just read an abridged version of this Ira Levin masterpiece about suburban robot houswives.....I remember my mom telling me this story and seeing a movie on T.V. long ago....influencing my robot subconscious :-) I am wondering....is it available on video??? It's such a great tale!!! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) REBIRTH--THE REAL SHIT! Date: 26 Feb 1997 23:54:56 EST Ai-yo, thanks for telling me about "ReBirth"! I downloaded the alpha demo (the official version ain't finished yet, and it retails for $199), and I was in total ecstasy! The ability to make my own acid (the music, that is)! It was da bomb! Are there any other drum sounds besides the small selection provided? I know there were lots more sounds in the TR-808 that what was provided. The TB-303 sounds were dope; tweaking the knobs to change the bleeps was all that! TO ALL Y'ALL KW FANS: download this shit and make the music the true fab four made possible! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: Fw: (kw) live dates this year Date: 27 Feb 1997 09:07:06 +0100 > Hello Luca, hello list! > > I haven't heard about an Kraftwerk event in Austria yet. Any more detailed > information would be appreciated. > > I've checked the Ars Electronica Web Page: > > http://193.170.192.5/index.html > > It takes place September 8-13 and this years topic is: > FLESH FACTOR > INFORMATIONSMASCHINE MENSCH > > Not much more information right now > > Hasta luego > > Michael Melzer > e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at > WWW: http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/usr/h85/h8551159/local.html > ----------------------------------------------------------- > ¿ Hay una discoteca por aquí ? > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > Von: lbo > > An: kraftwerk@xmission.com > > Betreff: Re: (kw) live dates this year > > Datum: Dienstag, 25. Februar 1997 4:31 > > > > At 21:08 23/02/97 +0000, you wrote: > > >I know Kraftwerk are booked to be playing at Tribal Gathering this year. > > > > > >I've also heard rumours they are playing in Paris? Does anyone know if > > >this is true? > > > > just for talking, a friend of mine noted that there should be a special > > event in Austria (maybe the Ars Electronica in Linz?) in a date close to > the > > TribG, so we thought, if K make all this mess (moving Klingklang), it > would > > be unlikely that they do so for just one date. > > > > then again, maybe Ars Electronica is not going to take place in may nor > in > > Austria... > > > > > > ----------------------------- > > > > personal home page > > http://users.iol.it/lbo > > > > reVision - musica e cultura non necessariamente convenzionale > > http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3041 > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Busby Subject: (kw) Guardian article Date: 27 Feb 1997 10:10:55 GMT Jeff Schneider :- >Hi, the Guardian (a newspaper here in the UK) published this morning >Wednesday, February 26th, a wonderful, long article about KW. The >paper has a web-site at >http://go2.guardian.co.uk/paper.html >but it seems that they haven't loaded up the article yet. >If they don,t and anyone wants it, I will key it in and can send it >as an ASCII text file - it will take a day or two, however, as it's >quite long, and I've got a shedful of work to do. Anyway, the >article is great - a lot of stuff we know already, of course, but >still - any mention of the Duesseldorfers is better than none! That's a kind offer; it's quite a long article. I managed to get a copy of the Guardian late yesterday. Not a bad article at all (he does get Pascal Bussy's name wrong, but who doesn't? ;-) ). Shame the writer felt obliged to make references to fascism; it's about time British journalists realised it isn't necessary, or relevant. lbo :- >could some english fellow tell how far is this Luton place where they'll >have the Tribal Gathering? how to get there from, say, London, which train, >how much the fares, if there are places to sleep there and for how much, etc.? I haven't looked into the details yet, but I understand there's a good rail link from London (one stop on an Intercity train I think). I'll post any details when I get round to organising myself, unless a more organised person does so first! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Craig Land Subject: RE: (kw) Guardian article Date: 27 Feb 1997 10:42:08 -0000 I live in Milton Keynes, which is twenty miles North of Luton. How to = get to Luton is easy. Luton is on the main Intercity line which runs from London Kings Cross. = I am not sure what the fares cost, but I know for a one day travel card = (return), you will be looking at around =A310 (GBP). There is also = Luton airport, this is very near Luton Hoo, where Tribal Gathering will = take place. This should be dead handy for those who will be coming in = from Europe. Staying in Luton should not be too difficult, there are numerous Hotels = and Bed and Breakfasts, I suggest that those who are interested should = contact the Luton Tourist Information Board on 01582 401579. Luton Hoo is an old Manor House and is actually located a couple of = miles outside of Luton Town itself, so be prepared to spend money on = taxis, or camp on the site. Hope this has been of some help, my direct e:mail address is = cland@acl.memec.com should any of you have any further questions. By = the way, does anyone have a copy of Tone Float for sale? Best Regards, Craig. ---------- Sent: 27 February 1997 10:10 Jeff Schneider :- >Hi, the Guardian (a newspaper here in the UK) published this morning >Wednesday, February 26th, a wonderful, long article about KW. The >paper has a web-site at >http://go2.guardian.co.uk/paper.html >but it seems that they haven't loaded up the article yet. >If they don,t and anyone wants it, I will key it in and can send it >as an ASCII text file - it will take a day or two, however, as it's >quite long, and I've got a shedful of work to do. Anyway, the >article is great - a lot of stuff we know already, of course, but >still - any mention of the Duesseldorfers is better than none! That's a kind offer; it's quite a long article. I managed to get a copy = of the Guardian late yesterday. Not a bad article at all (he does get = Pascal Bussy's name wrong, but who doesn't? ;-) ). Shame the writer felt = obliged to make references to fascism; it's about time British journalists = realised it isn't necessary, or relevant. lbo :- >could some english fellow tell how far is this Luton place where = they'll >have the Tribal Gathering? how to get there from, say, London, which = train, >how much the fares, if there are places to sleep there and for how = much, etc.? I haven't looked into the details yet, but I understand there's a good = rail link from London (one stop on an Intercity train I think). I'll post any details when I get round to organising myself, unless a more organised person does so first! Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Beck's "New Pollution" Video Date: 27 Feb 1997 12:45:34 +0100 (NFT) Found at www.allstarmag.com: February 17, 1997 Beck Goes Metal In New Video He Disguises Himself As Vince Neil In Clip For 'New Pollution' Fans might have a hard time recognizing Beck in the video for his upcoming single, "The New Pollution," especially since the critically- acclaimed singer/ songwriter is disguised as Vince Neil of Motley Crue for part of the clip -- complete with warrior make- up, black leather trousers, and a blond inferno wig. Beck admitted that he even had a hard time telling the new footage, which features his band members in full metal regalia, apart from the '80s rockers' Livewire home video, which inspired the clip. Coincidentally, the Dust Brothers, who frequently work with Beck, also produced Neil's solo album years back. "The New Pollution," which makes its MTV debut on Tuesday (Feb. 18), also portrays the group variously as the Beatles, Kraftwerk, and deceased French composer Serge Gainsbourg. Directed and edited by Beck, the video is bolstered by random splices of old- school computer animation, go-go dancing, and cheesy '60s television show sets. [...] - Aidin Vaziri # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) Official Dinger WWW pages Date: 27 Feb 1997 18:39:08 +0100 (NFT) Some very good (semi-)official WWW pages on Klaus Dinger can be found at http://www.tp1.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/people/gawlista/mucke/dinger.html. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) "ReBirth" download Date: 28 Feb 1997 04:05:16 EST On 27 Feb 97 06:04:45 EST Oliver Kess <101451.3333@CompuServe.COM> writes: >>"ReBirth"! I downloaded the alpha demo >Hy Adam, > >I accidently deleted my old mails (no backup, shit...), what's Rebirth > >and where can I get it, if it's for the mac (I expect it to be a piece >of >software, right?)? >>> Where is it??? <<< >>> Are you saying that "Rebirth" is a type of software (or sound library) that can be downloaded that provides the acid techno sounds of the 303? <<< Some other brotha on the list told me about the demo; I downloaded it at http://propellerheads.se on the internet. "ReBirth" is a virtual TB-303 and TR-808 program which you can use to create acid on your computer. I'm a Wintel user at home (that's gonna change when I get enough $$), but I used my school's Mac lab to download the software--yes, there's a Mac version. However, you can't save anything, and the program will only run for 30 minutes before you have to reload once again. And, there's no way to enter anything with a "swing" if you know what I'm talking about. The program is absolutely addictive, and I've made several people very angry while using the thing to create music. Good luck, and I hope you enjoy the program as well. Also, they expressly forbid you to copy the demo for anyone else. This is in caps to get your attention: "REBIRTH" WILL RETAIL FOR $199--THIS IS ONLY A DEMO IN ITS ALPHA STAGE, AND THE REAL THING IS DIFFERENT FROM THE DEMO!!!! Read the info page, and you'll see. And, tell me what you guys think! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul <106232.3207@compuserve.com> Subject: (kw) Tribal Gathering Info ... Date: 28 Feb 1997 06:37:05 -0500 From "The Guardian", Will take place at the Luton Hoo Estate, Luton on 24/5/97 from 1200-0830 (it's gonna be a long night!). Tickets = £35 + booking. Tel. (in UK). 0181 963 0940 I'll believe it when I see it ..... :-) Paul. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Hegymegi-Kiss Subject: (kw) New album track list Date: 28 Feb 1997 18:33:10 +0100 Dear KW Fellows, Someone sent the awaited new album's unofficial track list recently. I erased this message accidentaly and need it now. Could you please re-send it to me by private mail (phegymeg@pratique.fr) or via the list. Thanks a lot! By the way and for your information, I saw a japanese printed "Best of Kraftwerk" in a parisian recordstore. There are 9 (original & not remixed) titles on it. So nothing new but some fans could be interested... Paul Paul HEGYMEGI-KISS ________________________________ http://www.pratique.fr/~phegymeg phegymeg@pratique.fr ________________________________ Paris - FRANCE # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gareth Price Subject: (kw) Travel to tribal gathering Date: 27 Feb 1997 04:41:19 -0500 In reply to Ibo and others requests for details of travel to Tribal gathering, I have just phoned the railway ticket office and a day return ticket from London-Kings cross to Luton should cost eight pounds on the Thames Link service. You can also get a train from St pancras station. Luton is about 35 miles from London. As for accomodation i dont know any details but i should think there are plenty of bed and breakfast rooms in Luton. The train journey only takes about an hour, probably less so i should think any one staying in London could get back there easily enough, depends on how long Tribal gathering lasts. I am lucky enough to live only 20 miles from luton so i will walk there if i have to. Hope this helps Gareth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dirk Fellhauer" Subject: (kw) Hello to everyone ! Date: 27 Feb 1997 02:25:40 PST Hi ! Just wanted to say hello to all the Man - Machines out there ! my Name is Dirk, I am 27 years old and I am a student in WORMS which is located quite near to Heidelberg. I am a Kraftwerkian for nearly 15 years now and besides their music I listen to all kinds of electronic stuff - well - not to everything but to the good ones ! ( Depeche Mode / Ultravox / Frank Tovey / Recoil ..... ) As a new member on the list I am looking forward to having "digital" contact to the rest of the family ! This is for the german members : Wer geht alles zum Tribal Gathering und dem KW Konzert ? Man könnte ja eigentlich ein kleines Treffen veranstalten - was meint Ihr ? best regards, Dirk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: (kw) U.S. Tour Possibility Date: 26 Feb 1997 15:34:52 -0500 (EST) I have resigned myself to the fact that I will never see Kraftwerk live in my lifetime. I once had a ticket to their scheduled 1991 New York City show at the Beacon IN MY HAND, and they cancelled the week before! Shoulda' saved it as a keepsake, but I decided I couldn't bear to look at it over time. However, I would settle for a new album! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROBOT Subject: (kw) 9 US Venues?!! Date: 25 Feb 1997 23:29:39 -0800 Brendan Heading said: >Hey - did you hear about KRAFTWERK's new world tour? Apparently they >play 9 venues in the US. NINE! !!*SCREAM*!! This BETTER be For REAL, Dude! Don't be spreading Rumors! Seriously, IS there any OFFICIAL news about a World/US Tour?? GIVE!! ROBOFREAK # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kim Johnsson" Subject: Re: (kw) Who Sampled Kraftwerk ??? Date: 13 Feb 1997 23:15:12 +0200 > Julian Seifert axed about artists that used samples by KW. . . Too Live Crew have a song entirely based on the song Die Mensch Machine. I believe their "version" is called "Dick Almighty" or something equally deep :-) Original KW in the background and a heavier beat on top of it... OMD do more or less the same thing with Neonlicht on their Sugar Tax album... ========================================================================== Kim Johnsson kjohnsso@abo.fi http://www.abo.fi/~kjohnsso Work +358-2-2654958 IAMSR/ÅA, Lemminkäinengatan 14-18, 20520 Åbo, Finland Home +358-2-2516805 Sirkkalagatan 36 A 18, 20700 Åbo, Finland ===================================== # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender.