From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: What's the 411? Date: 02 Oct 1996 00:14:36 EDT What's happened? did everyone die overnight? Or is it my e-mail? Peace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: What's the 411? Date: 02 Oct 1996 13:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Yo I'm still here! I don't think it's your mailer as much as it is the group. BTW, I have no idea where to find the keyboards you have been asking about. Later, b-boy It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Adam Schefflan wrote: > What's happened? did everyone die overnight? Or is it my e-mail? Peace > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: What's the 411? Date: 02 Oct 1996 12:03:19 -0400 (EDT) >What's happened? did everyone die overnight? Or is it my e-mail? Peace Yeah, that's been happening a bit lately on this list I think. There was one point about 2 weeks ago where I didn't receive any KW posts for about 2.5 days. It's either slow or people really don't have anything to say at the moment. So, I'll pose a question that I've asked once before but never got a response to (Perhaps I still won't!). In Kraftwerk's video for "The Telephone Call", the first half of the video features the members of the band holding up an old 1930's style telephone to their ear and listening. This makes sense. Then at the halfway point of the video, the telephone is replaced by what appears to be an Astatic silver eagle desktop "lollipop" microphone, the type used for radio broadcasting on 11 meter CB (citizen's band) radio and the 10 meter amateur ham bands. Furthermore, Ralf Huetter is seen operating what appears to be some kind of surveillence equipment or something like that with reels of tape either playing or recording. He turns a dial and listens through his headphones. My question is, what do these images of the microphone and the surveillence equipment have to do with the theme of "The Telephone Call"? Perhaps there is no actual connection at all, but I was just curious if anyone knew anything about the conceptualism behind this video. All in all, I love the video, as it is reminiscent of KW's experimentation with nostalgia, a la the video for "Trans-Europe Express". The essence of a period gone by is brought back to life through black and white footage, clever use of shadow and angle, old-style apparatus, clothing, and camera technique. Sheer genius... Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "novitax@mail.datanet.hu" Subject: Intro Date: 03 Oct 1996 15:33:01 +0200 Hi! I'm Zsolt Farkas from Hungary, I'm 27. Sorry, my english is very poor, but I try the best. The first Kraftwerk I got is Tour de France in 1983, since then I love KW and I collect everything about KW, but it's extremly hard in Hungary (Everything is hard in Hungary, for example in the school I had to learn russian for about 10 years instead of english). In my memory the '91 Kraftwerk concert was the best concert I ever saw. Here, in Budapest, I have no other KW-fan-friends, so I was very happy when I found this place on Internet. By the way, do you know anyone, who interest in KW in Hungary ? (He, van ott valaki, aki tud magyarul?). The other electronic musics I like : Cabaret Voltaire, Lassigue Bendthaus, Orbital, LFO. I hope you understood my revolutionary english grammar. Thank you for reading my introduction. My E-Mail: novitax@mail.datanet.hu - Farki - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Freeman Lon C Subject: Old School Street Jamz Date: 03 Oct 1996 12:12:13 -0400 I just got this CD. Not bad. The 3 KW remixes are decent and most of the rest of the songs are remixed in the KW mode (lots of 'Numbers' and 'Tour de France' rhythms) Lon # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Fixed! Date: 03 Oct 1996 23:11:41 EDT I didn't get posts for one weekend (then it resumed) and about 5 days the week after--the problem was my e-mail. I started receiving stuff again after I fixed and re-installed my mail program. I knew there was a problem 'cause every time you mail into the group, you get it back the NEXT time you access your messages. I've never seen any KW videos except for "Musique...," and that li'l clip from PBS/BBC's "Rock & Roll." Does anyone know if they've gotten played on the new M2 (MTV2)? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Genepool@aol.com Subject: Tunings Date: 04 Oct 1996 17:35:39 -0400 << Oriental keyboards have buttons on them that you can use to flatten the notes of the Western scale, as well as beats with alien time signatures (9/8, for example), I'm a little confused by this question but, the Yamaha, DX7 II has the ability to do microtonal scales and custom scales, meaning that you can tune the individual keys anyway you like. These tunings can be saved to memory for later usage. What do you mean by "beats with an alien time signature"? Most software sequencers can handle unusual time signatures. Steve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: Umo Detic Date: 06 Oct 1996 00:26:53 UT Umo Detic made a song called Fahrenheit (12" single approx. 1989-90?). This was an import I bought from a record outlet in Los Angeles. This group is from Germany and sounds very Kraftwerkish. In fact, credit and thanks was given to Power Plant for their contributions (hence Power Plant translated IS Kraftwerk!). They even mixed their voice, "Eins" from Numbers, into the song. If anyone can concur that Kraftwerk contributed to this group, I would appreciated it. Group: Umo Detic (Jallokin/Richard Cube) Song: Fahrenheit Produced by: Jallokin for Muzic Research Lab Published by: ICM/Warner Chappell Their contact from this 12" single was Muzic Research C/O New Zone, Kaiser-Friedrch-Promenade 89 D-6380 Bad Homburg, Fax 0049/5172/20933 Distribution: AMV, Strahlenbergerstr.125 A, D-6050 Offenbach/M Tel 0049/69/880450, Fax 0049/69/816072, Telex 4170849 Mapr D, Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: re; 'The Robots' video (1978) in English Date: 06 Oct 1996 16:48:07 EDT > From: "Klaus Zaepke" > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:19:38 +0000 > Subject: Kraftwerk clips > > Now I have two questions: > 1. It is rumoured that there are also a version of "Die Robter" > (original version from 1978) with an English soundtrack Yes, it does indeed exist. I have a copy on video, but it is fairly appaling quality, especially visually - its obviously been copied a few times before, vision quality looks as as if someone has rubbed sandpaper all over the TV screen! It is also incomplete., but most of it is there. The lip-synching is much better than the German version, which suggests the English langauge one came first? It was shown on the UK arts/music programme 'Riverside' in 1982 and most likely on other programmes too. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Arab Music #3 Date: 05 Oct 1996 16:48:28 EDT >>> What do you mean by "beats with an alien time signatures"? Most software sequencers can handle unusual time signatures. <<< Many Arab tunes have time signatures not found in Western music. There's one that I know of that doubles a 3/4 and has a brief pause somewhere in the middle. Also, these Oriental keyboards have extra buttons on them that allow you to flatten the notes to conform to an Arab tuning no matter what cord in the Western scale. Casio, Yamaha, and the like have "Oriental" keyboards with Arabic writing on them and these flattening buttons. All I want to know is can you get them in the States???? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Proposed List Format Change Date: 05 Oct 1996 12:21:38 -0600 (MDT) Given a lot of recent complaints, I'm thinking about switching the list configs around some. Certain mailers apparently make it difficult to send personal replies when the reply-to address is set back to the list (as it is on all my lists). I want to know what people would think if I changed things so that normal replies would go to the original poster and group replies would go to the original poster and the list. Along with this I'd probably start adding the list names to the subject lines of messages that go out over the lists, to make it easier to see where your incoming email is coming from. Please send your responses DIRECTLY TO ME (not the list). If you don't care, no problem -- but it would change the list behavior some and it's only fair to give you some warning of that. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: Orbital? Date: 06 Oct 1996 14:07:34 -0700 Hey everyone. I just purchased (out of curiousity) the new Orbital album "In Sides". I have to say that it is very good and it has a lot of evident Kraftwerk influence. Is anybody on this list into them or have any more information about them? I am starting to get into newer electronic stuff, not just Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, etc.. I know they are from England, but other than that.... thanks K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joacim Melin Subject: Fixed! -Svar Date: 07 Oct 1996 09:49:53 +0100 I've got got several Kraftwerk videos. I can't remember them all, but these i do remember : Trans Europe Express, Neon Lights, Autobahn, a performance from Top of the Pops (The Robots, the original version). There is much more, but as i said,i cant remember it all. Regards, Joacim >>> Adam Schefflan 1996-10-04 04.11 >>> I didn't get posts for one weekend (then it resumed) and about 5 days the week after--the problem was my e-mail. I started receiving stuff again after I fixed and re-installed my mail program. I knew there was a problem 'cause every time you mail into the group, you get it back the NEXT time you access your messages. I've never seen any KW videos except for "Musique...," and that li'l clip from PBS/BBC's "Rock & Roll." Does anyone know if they've gotten played on the new M2 (MTV2)? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Where is everybody? Date: 06 Oct 1996 10:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Well here we go again. This is like a bad Twilight Zone episode, and there weren't very many of those (not bad ones, anyway). Where are all the posts on this list? I haven't been receiving anything for quite some time now. Does the cat have everyone's tongue or is there actually something wrong with the mail? Any responses would be appreciated as they would help me to maintain some semblence of my sanity. Thanks. :O) -Scott # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Niels Olof Bouvin Subject: Kraftwerk newsgroup Date: 07 Oct 1996 18:07:12 +0200 Hi I haven't seen any mention of this, so I thought I would alert y'all to the existence of the Kraftwerk newsgroup dm.music.electronic.kraftwerk at news.dm.net. The news server is freely accessible for all. (And no, I haven't got any affiliations with Duelling Modems). Cheers Niels Olof -- Niels Olof Bouvin W3: http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~bouvin/ Voice: (+45) 8942 3274 > In omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro < MSc Research Assistant @ Computer Science Department Aarhus University Denmark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Kraftwelt's 'Electric Dimension' Date: 07 Oct 1996 21:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Has anyone else seen the cover of Kraftwelt's new release entitled 'Electric Dimension' yet? I know that this band has been discussed briefly on this list before due to their Cleopatra connection. The album cover features a solid red background and in the center are 4 faceless robotic torsos standing side by side in a line. Just imagine a cross between 'The Man-Machine', 'The Mix', and Elektric Music's 'Esperanto', and that's the cover of this Kraftwelt album. The advertisement for it in Pulse! magazine says, "Continuing in the tradition of electronic pioneers Ralf & Florian. A progressive state-of-the-art synth-music release." The album is on Hypnotic Recordings and is catalog #9796. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: Where is everybody? Date: 08 Oct 1996 11:05:19 -0400 I'm still here; just haven't had much to reply about lately. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Fear of a Black planet Date: 08 Oct 1996 04:10:41 EDT >>> In omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro <<< Could you find an Afrocentric equivalent please? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Tour de France video Date: 08 Oct 1996 9:12:44 METDST Hi! Back in the late 80's I remember a friend saying that he had seen Tour de France on MTV. It was black and white video with the four gentlemen biking. It was a really cool video he said, and he even managed to record the last part of it. Unfortenately, I never got the chance to see it. /Andreas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil Lefkowitz <104317.440@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Looking to buy KW Boot: Live from Dusseldorf (Rebuilt in 92) Date: 08 Oct 1996 06:23:19 -0400 Does anyone have or wish to sell me a copy of KRAFTWERK: LIVE FROM DUSSLEDORF (REBUILT IN 92?). Has anyone seen this double cd in any stores in New York City? If so, which ones. Thank you for a prompt response this inquiry. Phil NYC 104317.440@compuserve.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: Orbital ----- Date: 07 Oct 1996 21:46:40 -0700 Is it me or did everybody die?? Anyway, I just bought the new Orbital release, "In Sides". I am wondering if anybody has more info on this great band. I just decided to buy it out of curiosity (I'm not really into the whole MODERN electronic scene, but I guess I am starting to) and found that it was good. Also I hear some evident Krafterk influence in many of the songs. If anybody can provide me with some info, let me know. I am interested in hearing more from this band. K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: "Karen Carpenter" vs. "Techno Pop" Date: 08 Oct 1996 10:31:54 -0500 (EST) You da man! Nate El Great B-boy On Sun, 6 Oct 1996, Adam Schefflan wrote: > Has anyone noticed the media coverage that the long-overdue release of > the air-headed anorexic bitch's solo album has been getting? Do you think > I give a fuck? The real question will be whether KW's TP will get the > same attention when/if it's ever released, as well as the pre-AB albums. > And plus, KW has done for music than this ho. And Joyce Sims is a better > singer/songwriter. Peace. > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "novitax@mail.datanet.hu" Subject: RE: Orbital Date: 08 Oct 1996 15:16:47 +0200 >Hey everyone. I just purchased (out of curiousity) the new Orbital album "In Sides". I have to say that it is very good and it has a lot of evident Kraftwerk influence. Is anybody on this list into them or have any more information about them? I am starting to get into newer electronic stuff, not just Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, etc.. I know they are from England, but other than that.... thanks K.C.< I like Orbital, too. The Orbital-works I own: - Untitled I. 1991 - Snivilisations 1994 - Are we here ? (maxi) 1994 - In Sides 1996 - The box (maxi) 1996 All of them good, the maxis are very good. The older albums are the same style as 'In Sides'. Anyway, look at this homeapage: http://hyperreal.com/music/artists/orbital/ - Farki - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: Looking to buy KW Boot: Live from Dusseldorf (Rebuilt in 92) Date: 08 Oct 1996 13:17:55 -0400 I have a copy of Rebuilt in '92 that I don't want to sell, but if you can't locate it I could tape it for you. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) Subject: RE: Where is everybody? Date: 08 Oct 1996 15:26:02 -0300 >I'm still here; just haven't had much to reply about lately. Me too. The list became a little bit boring last times... =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brendan Heading Subject: Re: Where is everybody? Date: 08 Oct 1996 18:46:54 +0000 flibble smeerie Scott M. Barnhill, neaaarrriiiee Where is everybody? larmy wibble wibble waltz... > Well here we go again. This is like a bad Twilight Zone episode, >and there weren't very many of those (not bad ones, anyway). Where are all >the posts on this list? I haven't been receiving anything for quite some >time now. Does the cat have everyone's tongue or is there actually >something wrong with the mail? Any responses would be appreciated as they >would help me to maintain some semblence of my sanity. Thanks. :O) What happens is that the list admin has Majordomo in "moderator" mode; this means that he must approve all of the postings before they go out on the list. Whenever he leaves his computer for a few days, all the postings build up. Judge it for yourself :-) -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** A1200 28Mhz 020 545MB HD 6MB RAM <= (I'm not that sad) ******| |***** Analogue Synth freak || JarreVangelisKraftwerkTangerineDream*| |***** Northern Ireland vibe spreader||CarlosNumanErasureTomita ****| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Blessed are the cracks, for they let the light through!" - Rev. Stevie Fever # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spotnik@aol.com Subject: Re: Where is everybody? Date: 08 Oct 1996 16:35:51 -0400 But just think of what will happen when a new album is finally released! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Where is everybody? Date: 08 Oct 1996 19:07:25 -0600 (MDT) > Well here we go again. This is like a bad Twilight Zone episode, and > there weren't very many of those (not bad ones, anyway). Where are all > the posts on this list? I haven't been receiving anything for quite > some time now. Brendan's paranoid theories aside, if you're not getting list mail, there's something wrong with the connectivity on your end. There have been a couple dozen posts to the list over the past few days -- fewer than there have been in the past, but they're there. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: Proposed List Format Change Date: 08 Oct 1996 19:17:55 -0600 (MDT) I've had a lot of response to the list format change proposal I sent out, and while a few people didn't like the idea the response was overwhelmingly positive so I'm going to make the changes as soon as I get a chance. Once again, here's what's going to happen: * Replies will no longer be automatically redirected back to the list. Check the instructions for your mailer to see how to send repsonses to the list address. * The name of the list will be prepended to each subject line. I realize that some people will be inconvenienced by this but the response I got was 15:1 or 20:1 in favor of these changes, so clearly far more people are being inconvenienced by the current setup. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luther Welsh Subject: re: Orbital? Date: 08 Oct 1996 19:29:42 -0700 K.C. wrote: >[...]the new Orbital album "In Sides". [...] >have any more information about them? To sign up for the Oribital (or Kraftwerk) mailing list visit: http://www.scruznet.com/~luke/maillist.htm If you want a pile of old Orbital-digests, send me private email -- I'll zip them up and get them to you. --Luke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: malophd@ix6.ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Kraftwelt's 'Electric Dimension' Date: 08 Oct 1996 20:53:01 +0000 > Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 21:01:35 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > Subject: Kraftwelt's 'Electric Dimension' > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Reply-to: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Has anyone else seen the cover of Kraftwelt's new release entitled > 'Electric Dimension' yet? I know that this band has been discussed briefly > on this list before due to their Cleopatra connection. The album cover > features a solid red background and in the center are 4 faceless robotic > torsos standing side by side in a line. Just imagine a cross between 'The > Man-Machine', 'The Mix', and Elektric Music's 'Esperanto', and that's the > cover of this Kraftwelt album. The advertisement for it in Pulse! magazine > says, "Continuing in the tradition of electronic pioneers Ralf & Florian. A > progressive state-of-the-art synth-music release." The album is on Hypnotic > Recordings and is catalog #9796. > > Robotically Yours, > Scott M. Barnhill > mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu > "Wir sind die Roboter..." > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > > Does anybody actually have this here?? I saw it in London and I also saw the connection. What does it sound like? KC malophd@ix.netcom.com http://www.geocities.com/soho/4090 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Niels Olof Bouvin Subject: (kw) Re: Fear of a Black planet Date: 09 Oct 1996 11:27:36 +0200 Adam Schefflan wrote >>>> In omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro <<< >Could you find an Afrocentric equivalent please? "Everywhere I sought tranquility but found it nowhere else but in a corner with a book" (Thomas a Kempis) Afrocentric? -- Niels Olof Bouvin W3: http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~bouvin/ Voice: (+45) 8942 3274 > In omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro < MSc Research Assistant @ Computer Science Department Aarhus University Denmark # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Aktivitaet 8 - 1971 Musik Express translation Date: 09 Oct 1996 12:49:24 EDT Kraftwerk: "Industrial plant for production of electric or atomic energy" Aktivitaet 8 - August 1996 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This interview with Ralf Huetter originally appeared in a German music magazine, Musik Express, back in April 1971, a period in Kraftwerk history not too well documented, so a translation into English seemed like a good idea. This interview dates from the time when Ralf had actually left Kraftwerk for a short period, even more reason. Translated by Klaus Zaepke, he has attempted to preserve as much as possible of Ralf Huetter's original style, to document his unusual but highly characteristic way of speaking. So, if some parts of this article appear to be a bit clumsy, this is authentic Ralf Huetter! After they've thrilled their audience last year at numerous pop festivals, this enthusiasm now takes place on a wider basis. The reason is the first LP by KRAFTWERK. Two years, roughly, passed before it was finally possible to think of such a production. The first attempt to reach a wider audience with an LP failed completely in Germany and partly in England. For that it is necessary to know the following: KRAFTWERK is the former group ORGANISATION from Duesseldorf. After ORGANISATION had finished their first LP in 1969, it was offered to the record companies in Germany, but in vain. Finally they succeeded in placing the production at RCA in London, who lost their interest after the release however. Despite these circumstances, the record is still available in England. Today KRAFTWERK is a phenomenon in the West German pop scene. What makes this phenomenon? Ralf Huetter, organist and guitarist of the group, visited our office in Cologne to answer some questions. How do you explain the success at festivals and the even greater success of your first LP? Ralf Huetter; Well, to reduce it to a simple denominator, it is a very simple thing. Firstly, we did the production on our own. We have our own studio in Duesseldorf, that we can use for our own productions. And through an identification of all the direct or indirect participants with the music we were able to transfer the maximum statement to the LP. Groups who reproduce their personality musically are always bought. Additionally, our music is in a phase that isn't finished yet. Through this circumstance of imperfection we enable the listener to have his own reflections. The music of KRAFTWERK requires only a minimum of concept. We produce the music within a musical frame, in which contrary points are always present and must always be present. An example of that: high - low, forward - back, above - below, in front - behind. You can trace this scheme well with the number 'Ruck-Zuck'. The number is nothing but a chase, in which the electric flute of Florian Schneider-Esleben sets the pace. Florian increases up to the point where nothing else is possible, to the total dissolution of existing musical forms. Have you been convinced of the record's success? RH; The success doesn't matter. All that matters is that a communication with the listener will be realised through the music and that the listener feels appealed. This point was actually the decisive point of the production. In other words, you express your own personality through your music? RH; Yes, that's right, our music mirrors our life. This is also a result of the fact that we lived in a commune when we started to make the record, where each was confronted with the other day by day, therefore he had to argue with the ideas of the other. Ralf, you have left the group now, because of which motives? RH; To that I would like to say the following, that this departure is incomprehensible for many, but for me it is very natural. You may compare my break with the group with that of an erotic relationship to a woman, that cools down with time. If you have reached such a point, it is nonsensical to try and continue. But it is not that I've isolated myself completely from the group, I am still in a rather good contact with KRAFTWERK, which is mirrored in sessions, personal conversations and other things. Do you think that the music of KRAFTWERK will fundamentally change after your departure? RH; No, I don't think that this will be the case. The addition of a guitarist and a bassist will change the sound of the group, though, but KRAFTWERK will keep their peculiarity nonetheless. Do you already have concrete plans for the future? RH; No, actually not, but I have enough to do with my architecture studies, that I want to complete in any case, and unfortunately I've not yet found other people who are able to reproduce their personality also through music. We hope that you will find these people, so that we will hear again from you soon. - END - # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Frantz <73353.1432@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Umo Detic Date: 09 Oct 1996 14:04:00 EDT I don't have "Fahrenheit" but I know that Jallokin of Umo Detic went on to form the group Bigod 20 with Talla 2XLC and Zip Campisi. Their early material ( "The Bog," "Carpe Diem," and _Steel Works!_) is okay but has no Kraftwerk influence that I can detect. Their last album _Supercute_ went straight to the bargain bins. I suspect Kraftwerk were an influence rather than a contributor to "Fahrenheit." >Umo Detic made a song called Fahrenheit (12" single approx. 1989-90?). This >was an import I bought from a record outlet in Los Angeles. This group is from >Germany and sounds very Kraftwerkish. In fact, credit and thanks was given to >Power Plant for their contributions (hence Power Plant translated IS >Kraftwerk!). They even mixed their voice, "Eins" from Numbers, into the song. >If anyone can concur that Kraftwerk contributed to this group, I would >appreciated it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Aktivitaet 8 - 1971 Musik Express translation Date: 09 Oct 1996 14:53:34 -0400 (EDT) >Today KRAFTWERK is a phenomenon in the West German pop >scene. What makes this phenomenon? Ralf Huetter, organist and >guitarist of the group, visited our office in Cologne to answer some >questions. Odd, I always thought that Florian was resposible for any guitar playing that appeared on Kraftwerk's early albums. KW's debut album 'Kraftwerk' (1970) doesn't credit anyone with having played guitar on it, and 'Kraftwerk 2' (1972) credits Florian with this role. >Do you think that the music of KRAFTWERK will fundamentally >change after your departure? >RH; No, I don't think that this will be the case. The addition of a >guitarist and a bassist will change the sound of the group, though, but >KRAFTWERK will keep their peculiarity nonetheless. This quote from Ralf himself leads me to believe that there was no guitar in the band prior to his short departure from the group. So, was the magazine (Musik Express) mistaken in saying that Huetter was the band's guitarist? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I am adding...and subtracting." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Weird coincidence? Date: 11 Oct 1996 02:25:33 EDT OK, fellow 'werkers, I've asked this question several times, but no responses. Maybe I've been to subtle. Here goes again: Don't you guys think it's weird that the three most important bands in the history of popular music (KW, the Beatles, & the Beach boys) are labelmates???? I think I'm the only person in the history of the world that can't stand either the Beatles or the Beach Boys, but everyone knows that KW is better than both of them combined even though they hardly ever get their much-overdue props. What do you guys think? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: (kw) Weird coincidence? Date: 11 Oct 1996 09:37:52 -0400 (EDT) I am not familiar with the tem labelmates but I will assume that it refers to being on the same label. ( I have no idea what label pressed The Beatles and the Beach Boys). I don't think it's weird at all if you consider how revolutionary, visionary, and unique they were. Not to mention how they each pushed music in their respective flavors out of their limits. Music labels, for the most part, tend to attract musicians of the same weight more than musicians of the same style. Would it be ironic if Garth Brooks, who pushed country music into pop, and let's say Nirvana where being cut and pressed by the same people? Not to me. Is it ironic that Biohazard from Brooklyn, thrash rockers, and Onyx, thrash rappers also from Crooklyn, are co-recording music that appeals to each other's respective crowd? Not really. One thing I have come to understand about music and musicians is that they look at music as art and not as territorial flavors. However, one thing I do understand about the industry is that nowadays, money dictates who you sign and how they are marketed. Back in those days, and I will go on the line here since I am only 25 years old, the industry signed acts based on a more purist form of music. They also hoped for a revolution and boy did Kraftwerk, The Beatles, and The Beach boys deliver. On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Adam Schefflan wrote: > OK, fellow 'werkers, I've asked this question several times, but no > responses. Maybe I've been to subtle. Here goes again: > > Don't you guys think it's weird that the three most important bands in > the history of popular music (KW, the Beatles, & the Beach boys) are > labelmates???? I think I'm the only person in the history of the world > that can't stand either the Beatles or the Beach Boys, but everyone knows > that KW is better than both of them combined even though they hardly ever > get their much-overdue props. What do you guys think? Peace. > > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) KW synths? Date: 11 Oct 1996 10:47:30 -0400 Does anyone know if KW ever used a polymoog? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ramelow@acc.mcneese.edu (Gerald Ramelow) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk influenced artist THE MAN web site Date: 11 Oct 1996 01:11:59 -0500 Hello Kraftwerk Fans! This is recording artist THE MAN. My musical influences include Depeche Mode, Kraftwerk, U2, Erasure, Electronic, and New Order. I am writing to inform you than I have been granted space on the internet with sound clips of new versions of three of my songs. Please check out the reworked versions of "Nations Divided", "Sweat!," and a new song called "Need The Hurt." This new site can be found at http://www.eden.com/bin/display?REC=0000114+K0=bands . As you might already know, another THE MAN web site can be found at http://mbus.com/bands/genadm/THE.MAN.htm . Please understand that since I don't have a record label, this is one of the only ways that I can get my music out. If you haven't listened to my music yet, please give it a try and please e-mail me back to tell me what you think. Understand I am NOT trying to sell anything. I just want to get my music out to people that I think will like what I have put my efforts into. To prove it, I will send anyone who wants one a FREE tape if you like what you hear! Thanks again! THE MAN ramelow@acc.mcneese.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Weird coincidence? Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:43:05 -0400 (EDT) >Don't you guys think it's weird that the three most important bands in >the history of popular music (KW, the Beatles, & the Beach boys) are >labelmates???? I think I'm the only person in the history of the world >that can't stand either the Beatles or the Beach Boys, but everyone knows >that KW is better than both of them combined even though they hardly ever >get their much-overdue props. What do you guys think? Peace. Whoa! I saw this post right after I woke up today (10/11) and I had to read it twice to make sure that I saw it right the first time. For starters, it's not written in concrete anywhere that the 3 most important bands in the history of popular music are KW, The Beatles, and The Beach Boys. If a poll were taken to find out who the 3 most important bands were, I think you'd find that the results would not match your proposal. For starters, KW would not be one of the results seeing as how most people who know popular music do not know Kraftwerk. When you say *most important* bands in the history of popular music, this implies those bands which made the largest impact, revolution, or contribution in some way to changing the face of popular music. Perhaps Kraftwerk did this as I also believe, but the popular music-loving public at large does not know this. Furthermore, to say that "everyone knows that KW is better than both" (the Beatles and Beach Boys) combined, is simply not the case. Everyone doesn't know it. I for one am a HUGE Beatles fan and have been since my earliest music-listening experiences. They were the first actual "band" that I ever loved. As a musician, they were revolutionary in the new style (progressions, songwriting) that they brought to the world of rock music. Currently, Kraftwerk is easily my favorite band for a number of reasons involving conceptualism, minimalism, electronic medium, etc. I am still not at liberty to say that KW are "better" than the Beatles, for they are 2 different bands working in 2 different genres entirely. You can't really compare the importance of a classical sonata to the latest hip-hop jam. These are not factors which lend themselves willingly to comparison. As far as the Beach Boys go, we are all well aware that even KW has always loved this band, and it has even shown thru in their music ("Autobahn"). Hence, KW was once dubbed 'the Teutonic Beach Boys'. All 3 bands you mentioned may be liked or disliked by people as a matter of personal taste, but all 3 were certainly *important* in the history of popular music; however, to compare that importance would be a difficult task indeed. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Weird Coincidence 2 Date: 11 Oct 1996 12:26:32 EDT >>> What about Elvis? <<< Elvis is/was on RCA. KW, The Beatles, & the Beach Boys are all on Capitol/EMI. That's what I mean by labelmates. To those non-USAers out there this is even more true 'cause some of KW's albums here were released on Warner Bros. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Weird Coincidence 2 Date: 11 Oct 1996 10:52:17 -0600 (MDT) > >>> What about Elvis? <<< > > Elvis is/was on RCA. KW, The Beatles, & the Beach Boys are all on > Capitol/EMI. That's what I mean by labelmates. To those non-USAers out > there this is even more true 'cause some of KW's albums here were > released on Warner Bros. Well, I don't really buy the premise (I mean, three really good bands on one label doesn't exactly defy astronomical odds) but I will point out that Sinatra's best-regarded years were *also* spent on Capitol. :-) RCA always had better sleeve art, though. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) My 1st "Post" Ever! Date: 11 Oct 1996 11:40:56 -0700 really from ROBOT aka: Melanie Jean Mayfield c/o: Gyro Gearloose aka: John Bond (The account's in hubby's name....) -Dear Fellow KRAFTWERK FanatiKs- Hello from the Planet of the Redwoods! I just joined this list, and I've never posted anything before- I'm so Nervous/Excited! TALK to me- I LOVE KW! I'm into all KINDS of stuff- see my "profile" for foto & details- ("http"/"ypn" address below signature. ANYone can do a profile- it's COOL! "Your Personal Net"- check 'em out!) -SYNTHS, ROBOTics, STAR TREK/SCI-FI, ALL music in general, & SquareDancing, etc.... I'm 39, my husband is 38, and we live in a tiny town called Loleta, a few miles south of Eureka. *yawn* BORING! I got hip to KW when I was staying with friends in L.A. in spring '78. They played Autobahn for me, I rushed out & grabbed all the other albums, and, as fate would have it, M.M had just been released! The ROBOTS took me right over the edge! (I was already into ROBOTS/'DROIDS when STAR WARS came out in '77, and I was doing ROBOT "mime" even then, hence the handle. It's good for CB- 'might as well keep it for the Infobahn!) My Prime Directive is to build my very own KW "Klones" so I can have "live"/"virtual" concerts at Home and satisfy my TECHNOLUST! Yeah, Party wi' my boys! One can never have have too much TechnoStuff! I LOVE to Cuddle up with the SubWoofer, Krank it UP, and MELT into KW's VIBES! There's no words to desribe it- I just hope Ralf & Florian can somehow Receive the *JOY* I (we? am I the only one?) feel when listening to their Musik. "Antenna" says it all. They xmit, we receive, we xmit, they receive, and all is right with the Universe! Perfect "Balance". *SIGH* Pure Auditory Ecstacy! Nothing "corny" about it. Powerful Stuff! I don't know what subjects have been discussed lately- I can't find anything more recent than Mar. '95 on the Infobahr. Is there a more recent "digest" file I can look at? (I'm on the "regular" mail list) Please clue me in. The first post I saw today was from Adam Shefflan, about KW & the Beatles & the Beachboys being on the same label. *shrug*. Most (major) labels carry different types of artists. I don't DISlike the Btls or Bchbys, ("Barb-Barb-Barb, Barb- Barbara Ann" = "Fahr'n.... auf der Autobahn"- No joke! KW was influenced by them, as well as P. Floyd, etc. Weird, huh?), but, I prefered the Monkees & the Hollies in that "bubblegum" category. (I was born 4/29/'57.) Rats! Sorry- this is TOO long! But, now I've said Everything. Specific Q & A's from now on, okay? WRITE ME! I need a good M.M poster, AND "the BOOK"- M.M + Music! ROBOTS RULE!!!! *Whirr-KlicK*Zip-Zing-ZOWee* !!!! 'later.... ROBOT gyrgrls@razorlogic.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) My 1st "Post" Ever! Date: 11 Oct 1996 15:38:38 -0400 (EDT) > -Dear Fellow KRAFTWERK FanatiKs- > Hello from the Planet of the Redwoods! I just joined this list, and >I've never posted anything before- I'm so Nervous/Excited! TALK to me- I >LOVE KW! Greetings and welcome. It's always nice to have a new voice on the list, and one with character is even better! >south of Eureka. *yawn* BORING! I got hip to KW when I was staying with >friends in L.A. in spring '78. They played Autobahn for me, I rushed out >& grabbed all the other albums, and, as fate would have it, M.M had just >been released! The ROBOTS took me right over the edge! (I was already >into ROBOTS/'DROIDS when STAR WARS came out in '77, and I was doing >ROBOT "mime" even then, hence the handle. It's good for CB- 'might as >well keep it for the Infobahn!) Striking up some memories there... I used to use the handle "ROBOT" several years back when operating CB radio here in New York. >My Prime Directive is to build my very >own KW "Klones" so I can have "live"/"virtual" concerts at Home and >satisfy my TECHNOLUST! I'm sure Ralf & Florian would support such an enterprise. :O) I sure as hell would... >UP, and MELT into KW's VIBES! There's no words to desribe it- I just >hope Ralf & Florian can somehow Receive the *JOY* I (we? am I the only >one?) feel when listening to their Musik. "Antenna" says it all. They >xmit, we receive, we xmit, they receive, and all is right with the >Universe! No, you're certainly not the only one that feels this way. It seems you find your way to the right place. > I don't know what subjects have been discussed lately- I can't find >anything more recent than Mar. '95 on the Infobahr. Is there a more >recent "digest" file I can look at? (I'm on the "regular" mail list) >Please clue me in. Check out the Kraftwerk ftp site for the most recent postings: ftp://ftp.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/k/kraftwerk/ >the Btls or Bchbys, ("Barb-Barb-Barb, Barb- Barbara Ann" = "Fahr'n.... >auf der Autobahn"- No joke! KW was influenced by them Yep, as I mentioned in my other post from this morning, Ralf was a big Beach Boys fan and was certainly inspired by their style which rings through on tracks like "Autobahn" and "Airwaves". Hence, they were given the title, "the Teutonic Beach Boys". >okay? WRITE ME! I need a good M.M poster, AND "the BOOK"- M.M + Music! >ROBOTS RULE!!!! *Whirr-KlicK*Zip-Zing-ZOWee* !!!! 'later.... There's are actually some on-line CD shops from which you can order Pascal Bussy's book, "Man, Machine, and Music". If you're interested, email me privately and I'll look up all the details for you. Otherwise you can always order it direct from SAF Publishers. Once again, welcome to the list, and hope you enjoy. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir sind die Roboter..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tod William Myerscough Subject: (kw) "ROBOT" Date: 11 Oct 1996 14:59:50 -0500 (CDT) Wow, reading that note from "ROBOT" sure wore me out. Phew! I feel like taking a a nap now. But it's good to see that there are other enthusiastic KW fans out there. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Re: What's the 411? Date: 11 Oct 1996 18:13:19 -0600 (MDT) >> Yeah, that's been happening a bit lately on this list I think. There >> was one point about 2 weeks ago where I didn't receive any KW posts for >> about 2.5 days. It's either slow or people really don't have anything >> to say at the moment. > > I keep telling y'all, it's because the list admin has the list in > "moderated" mode, which means that postings do not pass to the list > until he has O-Ked them. The only messages that I have to hand-approve are the ones from people who send mail to the list from addresses other than the address they're subscribed at. This is mentioned in the list intro message: * Majordomo will check to make sure that you are a list subscriber before sending your message to all the members of the list. You should send messages from the account you used to subscribe to the list, otherwise your mail will be delayed. I set up my lists this way because it helps cut down on the amount of spam that makes it through to the list. If anyone feels that their mail to the list is being unreasonably delayed, all they have to do is send list mail from the account they used when they first signed on. You get one more chance at trying to understand this before I turn the water cannon on you, Brendan. :-) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Re: What's the 411? Date: 11 Oct 1996 22:02:26 -0400 (EDT) >I set up my lists this way because it helps cut down on the amount of spam >that makes it through to the list. If anyone feels that their mail to the >list is being unreasonably delayed, all they have to do is send list mail >from the account they used when they first signed on. In response to this thread about the delayed mail, I'll just throw in my two cents that the initial mail delay problem I experienced had been coming from my side. Everything appears to have caught up and has been working fine since then. So, no more problem on my end. Twilight Zone time is over. :O) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I'm the operator with my pocket calculator..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Aktivitaet 8 - Activity In Depth (1) Date: 12 Oct 1996 11:58:35 EDT Activity - In Depth Aktivitaet 8 - August 1996 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * New Kraftwerk Gear? - the Doepfer A-100 Modular System A German music-technology magazine called 'Keys' featured some Kraftwerk input for a review and sample of a new piece of musical kit recently (the April 96 issue), the Doepfer A-100 modular system. Kraftwerk have previously been associated with the Doepfer company; in addition to custom retro-fit work, the band have also been involved with two previous Doepfer products, further details of these can be found in Aktivitaet 6's 'Vorsprung durch Technik?' article. Featured in the April 1996 edition is the company's latest product, the A-100 modular system. Amongst these modules is a vocoder capability and it is in this context that Florian Schneider's input is to be found; as well as a short review, Schneider has also contributed a recording made with the equipment which is featured on the CD that accompanies the magazine. Before you rush off to track down a copy, I'll point out now that the 'vocoder poem', for want of a better description, is all of 26 or so seconds long, although there is a second version too put through various filters and the like. The tone poem itself is rather lyrical and easily comparable to the style you would find on the 'Radio-Activity' LP. What the poem's vocoded tones actually consist of follows; German; 'Analogsynthese mit System klanglich, optisch angenehm technisch, logisch, funktionell prototypisch und speziell modular und variabel leicht, kompakt und transportabel Fuer ein Musikabenteuer A-100, nicht zu teuer Midi-Kontrolle vom Computer A-100 to the Future! English Systematical analogue synthesis nice in sound and looks technical, logical, functional prototypical and specialised modular and variable light, compact and transportable For a musical adventure A-100, not expensive Midi-controlled by the computer A-100 to the future! As my own German is very limited, one of our regular German contributers, Gunther Poecker, is better placed to describe this piece to you; 'This 'poem' uses a vocabulary more typical for advertising text from the fifties, like 'angenehm', which is quite antiquated in this context. One would also not think of such a synth as necessarily 'pleasureable' to look at. The same applies to 'Musikabenteuer', which is quite a contrived word in this context, one would think more of an opera as a 'musical adventure'. In a modern ad., one would also not use the phrase 'nicht zu teuer', this does somehow sound cheap and is off the mark. One would either say 'billig' (cheap) or 'preiswert' (worth it's money). 'Nicht zu teuer' is more like 'just the right price'. The pronunciation is also just that little bit overdone, like a 50s advertising slogan. 'Speziell' is without meaning here, by the way. It's like 'especially' ... and then the object is missing. All in all it uses just the sort of vocabulary that one does expect from Kraftwerk - decidely retro-futuristic with a funny twist. A female voice first introduces Florian Schneider almost like royalty, quite in keeping with the poem's vocabulary. Between the two versions, the change in the vocoder setting for the second version is explained. On page 45 of the magazine, Schneider's review for the A-100 is very favourable; "Up to now, I only had the chance to play around with the A-100 for one day, but I can already say that Doepfer has built something really special. The system does sound very good and does offer everything I do expect from a modular system - and that at a really reasonable price. For me it is also a plus that it has turned out smaller than other systems, like some may point out. But the adjustors on a mixing desk are even closer together. And you can also take it with you easily and leave the expensive rarities at home. The vocoder has turned out really nice; it does really sound good in comparison to other vocoders. After building a multi-channel filter (a very important module, by the way), it was only a small step for Dieter Doepfer to combine this with VCA's and Huellkurvenfolgern (something with envelope functions? - IAC). On a modular synth, you really learn how the sounds are made. I can advise everybody to buy a simple oscilloscope with the modular system. This was also my start, I was fascinated to see; "this is how the sound looks here and after the filter it looks like that...". You can really see principles here which you can also find in the whole world." - END -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) re; KW synths Date: 12 Oct 1996 12:08:41 EDT > From: ManMachn2@aol.com > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:47:30 -0400 > Subject: (kw) KW synths? > > Does anyone know if KW ever used a polymoog? Yes, it was one of the keyboards that Ralf used during the 1981 world tour. The 1981 'Electronics and Music Maker' article mentions this. You can also see Ralf actually behind one in the 1982 TV appearance of Das Model too. Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Yamo release Date: 12 Oct 1996 19:55:40 +0000 A Yamo release called "Guiding Ray" is scheduled for October 21st. I don't know if it is the album itself or a preceding single. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Top of the Pops" performance? Date: 12 Oct 1996 19:55:40 +0000 > From: Joacim Melin > > I've got got several Kraftwerk videos. > I can't remember them all, but these i do remember : Trans Europe > Express, Neon Lights, Autobahn, a performance from Top of the Pops > (The Robots, the original version). Do I understand it right that Kraftwerk made a studio appearance at "Top of the Pops" with "The Robots" in 1978? Or was only the promo video played? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) Don't hold your breath, but.... Date: 12 Oct 1996 13:53:00 -0700 really from ROBOT -Guten Tag!- Hey! This is NEAT! A big 10-4 to Scott, and Michael -sorry I wore you out, Dude- My hubby's always making the same complaint, (I GOTTA get those ROBOTS built ASAP!*blush*!), and YO Lazlo, the ComputerMeister who makes this all possible -GLORY be upON You! ILUVYAGUYZ! I've been reading the recent archives- (thanks, I found 'em!) -and there's a lot of FUN stuff being bantered about! 8-Tracks of R&F, etc- COOL! I had TEE on 8-trk, but, it walked away with my ex-boyfriend many moons ago, along with my vinyl R&F with the Circuit Board on the front.*whimper*. (& B-4 THAT, aNOTHer EX kept my Leonard Nimoy autographed poetry books and Original TREK models- %#@$ -I lose more Priceless Stuff that way. I'm KEEPING my ECafe Mobile! Unless someone wants to trade for a M.M poster....maybe. "Tone Float" would be nice. 'never heard it. But, I digress....) There's a lot of LONG letters in the archives, so, I can't feel TOO "guilty", heh-heh! Seriously, there's a LOT to say at first, so please bear with me, then I can calm down and slack off a bit. I DO have some NEWS to share.... Okay, I'm not gonna believe Anything until I SEE/HEAR it myself, but, here's the Scoop- (I will NOT give out the guy's NAME without permission, but, I will QUOTE his words....) -here goes- (1st message) "Actually, they are doing an album as we speak. I've spoken to friends who are working with them and they are only playing small art shows in Germany. I used to work at Francois Kevorkian's studio here in NY, and he recently went to visit them. My guess is he went to talk about remixes. I did a remix of 'Numbers' a year or so ago (still waiting for it to be released???) for a label in Denmark. My guess is they are waiting to release it release it when the new Kraftwerk album comes out." (2nd message) The first time I was told they are recording was by my friend who was working with Ludwig Rheberg. Ludwig is one of Kraftwerk's studio technicians, and then by the head guy at AXIS, Francois Kevorkian's studio. Also, I've seen prototype designs for the new CD/Record cover. The cover was for "The Mix 2". But, I believe they are also working on *NEW* material. The people who told me they are doing galleries are the guys from AIR LIQUIDE. They were going to play some dates with them in Germany only. I've told the guys at Infobahr but they never replied or posted soooo whatever. That site hasn't moved since 4/'96. BTW Karl Bartos worked on almost the entire new 'Electronic' album. I haven't heard it but I've been told it's got Kraftwerk written all over it (or atleast Elektric Music). AND Wolfgang Flur has a new group. I forget the name. New Something World Something?? The guys at AKTIVITAT are very up to date on the current side projects and things. They should already know about the new recordings." (end quote) Well? I've told Kevin Busby and Thomas Weckert, and they are understandably Skeptical, as are we All. "A friend of a friend says...." I'm sure this guy is Sincere, and the people that told him probably mean well, but, Ralf & Florian are Always saying "yeah, we're working on it....", but, one thing or another always hangs them up. Meanwhile, us fans are STARVING for NEW SOUNDS from the Kling Klang Gang! Meanwhile, I'm on the SCI-FI BuzzBoard and the more inter-active "BBoard". They have various Topics, including "SCI-FI Music", so I HAD to post an "Article" about KRAFTWERK! I can't believe nobody Else thought to list them! (...."ROBOTS, Radio-Activity & Fun with Computers! SCI-FI all the Way- influenced by "METROPOLIS", etc...." I'm informing ALL sentient Life-Forms in the Universe! The ROBOTS are in Control. Resistance is Futile. You will be Assimilated. Yep. R&F are BORG, alright.) Okay, I'll shut the f**k up now. I've got a LOT of "Old Chat" to catch up on! 'back to the archives. C-YA! ...."Wir.Sind.Die.ROBOTER".... ROBOT gyrgrls@razorlogic.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Don't hold your breath, but.... Date: 12 Oct 1996 17:39:14 -0400 (EDT) >poster....maybe. "Tone Float" would be nice. 'never heard it. As far as 'Tone Float' goes, you'll find lots of posts about it from this list in the KW ftp archives. All I can tell you about it briefly is that it's very much in league with the lengthy, mood pieces of 'Kraftwerk' and 'Kraftwerk 2'. Experimental in nature, it's the perfect logical prequel for the evolution of our favorite band (even though it was officially released under the band name Organisation). > Well? I've told Kevin Busby and Thomas Weckert, and they are >understandably Skeptical, as are we All. "A friend of a friend says...." >I'm sure this guy is Sincere, and the people that told him probably mean >well, but, Ralf & Florian are Always saying "yeah, we're working on >it....", but, one thing or another always hangs them up. Meanwhile, us >fans are STARVING for NEW SOUNDS from the Kling Klang Gang! Yep, no joke! We've heard plenty of rumours about new material over the last few years, some of which were started by actual members of this list at the time! :O) So, it's probably safe to say that this list has quite a large number of skeptical minds on it, like my own. However, I do have faith that KW have something new up their sleeves. I'll keep my manipulators crossed. ;o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "La musica ideas portara...y siempre continuara..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) Female KW Fans Date: 12 Oct 1996 23:43:34 -0700 really from ROBOT OOPS! I need to CORRECT something first- in my last letter, I said "10-4 to Scott, and Michael- sorry I wore you out, dude...." I MEANT to write in TOD's name (after Michael's), since that little joke was in regard to his comment about my letter (hee-hee!). My apologies- I'm REALLY new at this. I want to properly acknowledge the kind responses I received- Thank you ALL! It's really Nice to be "IN" on this. Now I don't feel quite so ISOLATED anymore. I know it's nothing "official", but, it helps a lot just knowing I'm not entirely ALONE. Okay, Female Fans: Who SEZ "Girls don't like KW"? R U KIDDING?!?! It was 2 fellow female TREKKIES who intro'd me to AB down in L.A. in '78- 'just casual appreciators of good musik in general. (I've never met anyone as *BONKERS* over KW as I am!) I occasionally meet people who "like" 'em, or have atleast heard of 'em, and I'd say it's about an even m/f ratio. People see my KW pins and often ask "What's KRAFTWERK"? ("Well, it's like this....") Or sometime they say, "Oh, yeah, KRAFTWERK- they're cool-" (One guy had a RA sticker on his SK8board! WAY COOL!) I'm sure I woulda discovered 'em SOONER if I hadn't grown up in the Weeds of Eurekaville. (Come to think of it- I'd heard AB on the Radio once or twice, but, I never knew who/what it was. By the time the DJ announced it, I'd EATEN the RADIO!*crunch*!YUM-YUM!) It IS puzzling thaty I only saw 1 or 2 female names in the Archives. (LUCKY LUCA! I'd LOVE to meet R&F! Cute story!) Okay, I'm outta here.... ROBOT gyrgrls@razorlogic.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Female KW Fans Date: 13 Oct 1996 10:12:28 -0400 (EDT) > Okay, Female Fans: Who SEZ "Girls don't like KW"? R U KIDDING?!?! Uh Oh, not that topic thread again! hehe... >(I've never met >anyone as *BONKERS* over KW as I am!) Now you have. :O) >I occasionally meet people who >"like" 'em, or have atleast heard of 'em, and I'd say it's about an even >m/f ratio. People see my KW pins and often ask "What's KRAFTWERK"? >("Well, it's like this....") Or sometime they say, "Oh, yeah, KRAFTWERK- >they're cool-" (One guy had a RA sticker on his SK8board! WAY COOL!) Ah that's nothing... You gotta go totally nuts and put a traffic cone in your home studio like I did. >it, I'd EATEN the RADIO!*crunch*!YUM-YUM!) It IS puzzling thaty I only >saw 1 or 2 female names in the Archives. (LUCKY LUCA! I'd LOVE to meet >R&F! Cute story!) Okay, I'm outta here.... Well, as was discussed in those past digests, it doesn't really come as a great surprise that KW appeals to few women across the board, because their subject matter most often deals with concepts that have been stereotypically deemed "male" by society: things like automation, technology, science, robotics, transportation, communications, and so on. As I once pointed out, the only songs where KW even acknowledge women are "The Model" and "Sex Object". These titles are not exactly inspirational for a woman, in my opinion. "The Model" can easily be interpreted negatively as the tale of a bitchy little gal that models for a living, flirts with all the guys, and lands it big as a celebrity on the cover of some magazine. As far as "Sex Object" goes, we once again see a return to a bitchy dominant female character who turns on men and then leaves them hanging. Remember, this is just one possible interpretation I am presenting for the point of argument. It's certainly possible to suppose that "Sex Object" is actually the other way around, with a man being the dominant bitchy one who teases a female flirtation. However, we tend not to see it this way due to Heutter's male vocal. All in all, I don't think it was ever KW's intention to exclude women from their listening audience or to degrade them. On the flip side of the coin, I'd like to point out that "The Model" doesn't exactly present a lush picture of *males* either: "I'd like to take her home, that's understood.." This is one aspect that leads me to believe that KW never attempted to make any statements about males or females specifically. I like to think that KW is less about specific gender and more about humanity on the whole, and even more so, humanity's relationship with humanity's creations (technology, robots, science, automobiles, trains, radios, telephones, and so on...) After all, as far as I can remember, there are only 2 songs in the entire KW song canon that mention specific gender: 1) "The Model" - "She's a model and she's looking good..." 2) "Hall Of Mirrors" - "The young man stepped into the hall of mirrors..." I don't suppose that the song "The Man-Machine" counts as one of them because the term "man" is used referring to "mankind" rather than to the specific male gender. Furthermore, "Franz Schubert" regards a male, but obviously makes no statements about male or female (particularly since it's an instrumental). Finally, "Trans-Europe Express"'s mention of Iggy Pop and David Bowie hardly warrants any discussion of gender (which in Bowie's case at the time was questionable...sorry, I couldn't resist!) ;o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Nous sommes les mannequins..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majortom@muc.de (Michael Wesemann) Subject: Re: (kw) KW synths? Date: 13 Oct 1996 15:46:13 +0100 >From: ManMachn2@aol.com >Does anyone know if KW ever used a polymoog? Yes indeed. It can be seen on one of the videos to The Model being played by Ralf Hutter. ___________________________________________________________________ (I could be wrong) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Still more Tribal Gathering rumours... Date: 13 Oct 1996 17:54:12 +0000 The October issue of the German magazine Raveline contains a short note regarding Kraftwerks possible apperance at next year's Tribal Gathering in Oxford (apparently straightly copied from Muzik 09/1996). Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Still more Tribal Gathering rumors... Date: 13 Oct 1996 14:05:26 EDT Can anyone actually corroborate these funky rumors about possible new recordings and concert appearances? At least Pete Namlook, fellow German and spacemusic god, puts out recordings of his concert appearances. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Livia" Subject: Re: (kw) Female KW Fans Date: 13 Oct 1996 14:21:49 -0700 > I don't suppose that the song "The Man-Machine" counts as one of > them because the term "man" is used referring to "mankind" rather than to > the specific male gender. Furthermore, "Franz Schubert" regards a male, but > obviously makes no statements about male or female (particularly since it's > an instrumental). Finally, "Trans-Europe Express"'s mention of Iggy Pop and > David Bowie hardly warrants any discussion of gender (which in Bowie's case > at the time was questionable...sorry, I couldn't resist!) ;o) and radioactivity discovered by madame curie # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Aktivitaet 8 - 'The Golden Age of Radio' (Part 2) Date: 13 Oct 1996 18:42:42 EDT A 'Hope the lines don't get messed up as much as part in part 1' production proudly presents... 'The Golden Age of Radio' Part 2 Aktivitaet 8 - August 1996 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * As well as 'The Voice of Energy' and 'Uranium', there could possibly have been a third instalment of these 'sound poems'; live performances from 1976 and 1981 featured something of a 'Radio-Activity' suite, featuring an additional vocoder piece which, based on the repeated lyric, must be called 'Die Sonne, Der Mond, Die Sterne' (The Sun, The Moon, The Stars); at the 1976 London Roundhouse concert these portions were actually introduced by Ralf Huetter as 'symphony of the radio star' and featured 'The Voice of Energy', a brief extract from 'Radio Stars', 'Die Sonne, Der Mond, Die Sterne' and 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' played into one another. By 1981 a similar suite reappeared; as 'Radio-Activity' tails off, the vocodered tones of 'Uranium' are followed by 'The Voice of Energy' and again 'Die Sonne, Der Mond, Die Sterne' before the relaxed finale of 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' once again brings the suite to an end. Whether 'Die Sonne, Der Mond, Die Sterne' exists in a studio form and was intended for inclusion on the original 'Radio- Activity' LP is an imponderable that may never be confirmed. It was actually aired as early as 1975, sandwiched between parts 1 and 2 of 'Kometenmelodie' in, at very least, one of Kraftwerk's late-1975 UK live shows. 'Radio-Activity' was the bands first LP to include both English and German vocals. There is only this one, 'hybrid' mix of 'Radio-Activity'. The bands later LP's were issued in separate German and English language editions, but all copies of 'Radio-Activity' are the same. While the songs feature both English and German portions, these are by no means replicas of one another. Take, for example, 'Radioland', the English portions are 'Turn the dials with your hand, Till you find the shortwave band, Electronic music sounds from Radioland', while the German portions can be translated thus; When adjusting the radio(phone) We hear the station signal By pressing the button, fast as a flash We get the short wave band After fine-tuning by hand We listen to the Morse-band Electronic sounds from Radioland 'Radio Stars' has no English part, the German words are pretty much equivalent to 'From the far reaches of space, Radio Stars are sending signals, Quasar and Pulsar (stars).' Similarly, there are additional lyrics in 'Antenna'. On its release in December 1975, critical reception to the LP was mixed and less than enthusiastic. Following the undoubted pop appeal of 'Autobahn', it appears that the landscape of radio hums, buzzes and blips punctuating the music of 'Radio-Activity' was seen as more of an annoyance than a benefit and certainly did not appeal to the majority of critics, likening the vocodered tones of the vocals to 'Sparky, The Magic Piano' type gimmickry. 'The album is less perfectly realised than 'Autobahn' and I can't imagine there being a hit single on this album, though there are some quite pretty tunes', wrote Karl Dallas, Melody Maker, 20.12.75. 'Only Radio-Activity's final two numbers, 'Transistor and 'Ohm Sweet Ohm', give any indication of what these guys can do, and the latter is almost a carbon copy of Autobahn's techniques... The novelty aspect of Radio-Activity may well spur plenty of radio activity, but one hopes Kraftwerk goes back to music- making soon' was how Ed Ward's 'Rolling Stone' review (12.2.76) saw things. The album itself was recorded during one of Kraftwerk's busiest periods. With the success of 'Autobahn' in the first half of the year, the band embarked on lengthy spells of live gigging to consolidate and build on the success, principally in the United States, though the album enjoyed its greatest success in France, sales of over 100,000 for the LP and over a million copies of the single, leading to gold disc awards. Since 'Autobahn', the band had changed record companies and signed with Capitol Records in most parts of the world. By the time of the bands UK tour in September 1975 the album was being advertised at their concerts, though they did not play any material from the album, performing only material from their four previous albums plus plenty of improvisation instead. Similarly, although the album was being advertised as early as September at both the concerts and in the UK music press, the album did not appear in press reviews until late December of 1975 and into 1976. In keeping with signing a worldwide record deal, the album proved to be pretty much a universal package throughout the globe. As mentioned earlier, there is only one hybrid German/English language version available. The bands previous albums had record cover designs that varied from country to country. Excepting detail changes, all countries adopted the 'radioset' design for 'Radio-Activity', designed by Emil Schult along with Ralf Huetter, Emil actually pictured on the inner sleeve too. The actual type of radio which the cover depicts is a product of 1930s Nazi Germany, being a cheap, mass-produced short- wave radio, the significance of the short-wave being to shield ears from dissenting voices from the ether; radio knows no borders. The significance of its choice for use with the cover is imponderable. Like the songs lyrics, there are meanings unsaid, left open ended for the listener/viewer to fill in the gaps with their own thoughts. And maybe it is that interactive quality that gives some clue as to the appeal of the LP. It tends to be overshadowed when picking favourites by the more direct LPs, but it undeniably has its fans and it maybe is the album's 'concept' or unity of theme that the appeal stems from. It tends to be one of those albums you may listen to as a whole much like side one of the later 'Electric Cafe', rather than a collection of singles and there are certainly images conjured up by the mix of, quite literally, atmospheric sounds and sleeve images that the listener can place their own childhood memories of radio dial-scanning alongside. Perhaps then, with these external factors, it is more a case of 'Radio- interactivity'..... -END-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mikael Askernas Subject: (kw) For Sale: Ralph and Florian (UK version, 1973) Date: 13 Oct 1996 03:14:27 +0000 Hiya.. My name is Mike, and I am NOT on thie mailing list. I am about to move from Sweden to America, and While doing this, i thought I might as well try and sell off some of my records. The one in special that might interest you, is Ralph and Florian Recorded in 1970, released 1973. I have the British version of the album, with the layout of a circuitrycard in gold on the cover. The record itself is in good condition, with hardly any scrachtes on it. The cover looks fine too, a bit yellowed over the years perhaps, but it is quite good looking. Anyone interested in this, mail me PRIVATELY since i am not on this list. If you are interested, leave a suggested price as well, and I'll take it under cosideration. Since my move to America will probably be within 2 weeks, I advice you to mail fast, sinc I want to sell it now :) /Micke Askernas Mikael.Askernas@hks.se # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) M/F, LYRICS & VIBES Date: 13 Oct 1996 20:59:18 -0700 (it is I, ROBOT) -Hi AGAIN- Here we go again with another Dissertation about Gender & Lyrics. Okay, I'll bite. Maybe I should Email this to Scott privately, but, it's an OPEN discussion, right? Let 'er RIP.... (U axed for it....) I'm gonna say everything I need to say once and for all and be done with it. Aw, Jeez- M/F, who CARES??!! ROBOTS have no "Gender", only "Form". My "Form" happens to be "Female"- we can't ALL be Androgynous like Ziggy Stardust. (Bowie's cool!) And we can't all look like Mannequins. (I USED to, when I was a relatively slender. I wore the M.M outfit, make-up, and a silver headband, playin' ROBOTS on my Boom-Box, doin' my thang- long before "breakdancing". Not your usual "mime", either. Ah, those were the days....) Has anybody looked at my "Profile" thingee? (I'm 5'0" at 180#, all HAIR and BOOBS! Check my foto- it's all hidden behind the M.M album I'm holding.) If you wanna see how UGLY I am, just click on the highlighted "http" address below my sign-off. (I just up-dated the text. I hope it's not TOO "extreme", hee-hee! Yes, I'm INSANE. I can't help it.) I'm the "WOMAN.MACHINE", har-har! Alas- all brains and no beauty. But, being Female is irrelevant. I've always loved Spacey Stuff, and Electronics, etc. FLASHBACK ALERT: When I was little, I couldn't hear half the time because I had a lot of ear infections. My mom was the church pianist, so, my 2 older sisters & I grew up singing in front of everybody, and I had to lean against the piano to get my pitch. (Bone conduction.) I also got into the habit of Cuddling with the Radio so the VIBES would Lull me to La-La Land. (Ear Surgery: Left Mastoidectomy at age 13 in '71 restored most of my hearing, but-) I STILL LOVE to FEEL the MUSIK. I fell in love with SYNTHESIZERS around '69 or '70, so I was aware of Experimental Stuff, but, I never knew KW until '78, like I explained in previous posts. So, that's the VIBE thing. M-m-m-m, STEREO INFUSION. HOW do they DO it? MELTDOWN.... When I first heard AB, I didn't know Nuthin' about KW, so I had no pre-conceived notions. (I didn't know they were ROBOTS.) Roomie said they're German, and I read the Lyrics. Hmm, okay, road trip. *shrug* So, I got all Comfy-Cozy with the Speakers, she played it for me, and it was the SOUND that GRABBED me and pulled me INSIDE the STEREO, and the voices & lyrics were certainly "pleasant", but, it's the MUSIK/VIBES that GOT me, okay? This was even BETTER than Oxygene & I Feel Love, etc! (and they DO have Pleasant voices- I scarcely hear Florian, though. I guess Ralf does most vocals.) The Fact that the boys just happen to be Drop-Dead *GORGEOUS* has not One Iota to do with the Fact that they do such DEE-LISH-US VIBES!!!! It's just "coincidence"- Uh, not that I'd Notice how Heart-Breakingly HANDSOME they are, or anything, but.... well, they ARE! The AB foto Intrigued me, with their "glazy"-eyed stares. -Yeah, they're Hippies! (I'm ridin' shot-gun, cruisin' & groovin'- Hey, Ralf, don't bogart that Joint!) THEN I got RA ('bye Klaus, hi Karl- HEY! They're CUTE!), TEE, (DREAMY!), & M.M! *WOW*! NICE FOTOS! I LOVE that High-Tech M.M look! Now THAT'S "STYLIN'"! (Okay, I noticed- so sue me.) It didn't take long to find R&F and KW I&II, btw. (IWANTTONEFLOAT!!!!) Anyway- I don't take the lyrics all that seriously, but, "Sex Oject" is obviously from an Android's point of view- get it? Oh, Believe me, I DO have FEELINGS and RESPECT.*sigh*. Sorry, but, I HAVE to get this off my chest- this really gripes me- If they don't want to be Sex Objects, what's with the "Naked" ROBOTS? HUH? Explain THAT, Herren "Ve don't Vant to be Vor-sheeped...." (Get REAL, guys!) They're ASKING for it! They got some nerve being so Devastatingly Irresistible- and then they complain about it?! DISCLAIMER: Before anybody Flames me, don't worry. I know they don't like "groupies", (or DO they?), oh, well, I'm not pretty enough anyway, so, forget about it. But, I am NOT responsible for what they DO to me! DEEP STUFF! The Musik sort of puts me to "sleep" and "paralyzes" me- goosebumps, tingling in the Solar Plexus, spreading all over inside & out, more & more intense- pulse, respiration & brainwaves in perfect synch- they are in Complete Control of All Autonamic/Involuntary Functions, reducing me to Elektrons, "INFUSING" me with/inside the STEREO, rendering Waves upon Waves of *ECSTASY* -I swear to God, one of these days I'm going to Astral-Project myself right inside their Kling Klang Studio- "Hi, guys- Plug me IN!" Der Doktor Hutter und V-2 Schneider can hook me up to their machines with wires & elektrodes and conduct BioMusik experiments on ME all they WANT! "MAD" Accoustic Scientists, for sure! -and they & their ROBOTS can take turns.... oops. sorry. nevermind. I lost it for a minute.*a-hem*. Now, where wuz I? OH, yeah, LYRICS- Hutter/Schult/Bartos wrote most lyrics, like "Model", "Comp'love"- uh, and "T'phone Call", right? Not gender-specific, but, the non- vocoded male voice (Ralf) is obviously singing about needing a rendezvous/ making a date/ getting a connection. That would suggest Lonliness & Longing- something I can certainly identify with. Model- eh, cold empty beauty. SexOb- Android. Wry humor. No big deal. Just Enjoy the Musik and let it TAKE you!*sigh*! As for RA, there's definitly a distinct difference of Attitude "then" & "now". The Original was All Praise & Glory and The MIX version is all Gloom & Doom. "Trendy"? Yeah. Maybe. Go figure. (The SOUND Kicks @$$, though!) It's hard to say whether I like the originals or The MIX better. I MUCH prefer the Original RHYTHM of ROBOTS over the "house" (trendy) MIX version. 'Matter of taste. One is not "better" than the other. My synapses are more in tune with the original frequencies, that's all. Damn- I've revealed WAY too many Deep Dark Secrets. Honestly, I really DO respect KW, and my feelings are based on Pure Affection & Appreciation & Enjoyment of their Musik. It's so far beyond anything "carnal" it isn't funny- but, it IS funny/weird, I know- I can't explain it- But, PLEASE, Everyone, DON'T be ANGRY with me- I joke around a lot, but, I AM sincere. IF I ever DID meet them, I'd be "cool". (Am I CRAZY? Yes. Am I STOOPID? No. Case closed.) There. Atleast I got it out of my system and I wont waste any more bandwidth. Is there anybody else who is as far GONE as I am? 'fraid not.... ROBOT gyrgrls@razorlogic.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) People just don't know what time it is, knowhutimsayin'? Date: 14 Oct 1996 00:13:17 EDT I was in a bookshop in Rhinebeck, NY, the town where I reside these days, and I noticed in the Omega Bookstore that they have a copy of EC that's been there since the shop opened quite a few years ago. Unfortunately, however, it's an Elektra and not a Warner Bros. version. It's too bad that no one there knows that it's the greatest and most influential band in the entire world. I just wish someone would liberate the poor thing, knowhutimsayin'? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jplanet@generation.net (Jef Planet) Subject: (kw) few words from the new world Date: 14 Oct 1996 04:25:51 -0400 Hi guys, i've been on the list for quite a while now whitout saying a single word, but now i feel it's about time to introduce myself to you... My name is Jef Planet, i live in Montreal Quebec, i'm french speaking (so excuse me for my quite basic english) and i find this list to be of great interest... Like you guys i'm anxiously waiting for the next album and i find that the music these days in general is becoming less and less creative (many of you may disagree but it's my modest point of view!) Sure there's some "interesting" stuff coming out sometimes but rarely any music that i feel will push the border few miles away. To tell you a story ... when i bought "the mix" (the day it came out obviously!!!), i came back to my home staring at the cover for long hours and only after that calling my best friends inviting them to listen to what i call art...There was a long silence, and then i pressed down the special key in order to listen to the little melodies (uh..this one isn't fom me!)...and OOOOOF!, it was the first time i felt i was listening at something close to perfection (no wonder it takes them 5 years to make an album) and we were, all 4 of us, having tears of enjoyment while listening in silence. But to tell you the truth, i was almost jealous, jealous of the fact that they've done it again! On the other end maybe some of you guys are like me...because i learned to make music trying to understand theirs. where every melody, every sound, every lyric, every mood ...have it's place and believe me, it's not easy! While waiting for the next kw album i'm finishing mine (my first attempt) and i'm also working on my web page which will be opened in the next week hopefully (including some audio clips). If there are some musicians in this list who are working in the same field, i would like to hear from you... So since that i broke my silence, i guess you are gonna hear more from me from now on. Jef Planet (jplanet@generation.net) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ramelow@acc.mcneese.edu (Gerald Ramelow) Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk influenced artist THE MAN Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:33:25 -0500 Hello! This is recording artist THE MAN. My musical influences include Depeche Mode, U2, Erasure, Electronic, Kraftwerk, and New Order. I am writing to inform you than I have been granted space on the internet with sound clips of new versions of three of my songs. Please check out the reworked versions of "Nations Divided", "Sweat!," and a new song called "Need The Hurt." This new site can be found at http://www.eden.com/bin/display?REC=0000114+K0=bands . As you might already know, another THE MAN web site can be found at http://mbus.com/bands/genadm/THE.MAN.htm . Please understand that since I don't have a record label, this is one of the only ways that I can get my music out. If you haven't listened to my music yet, please give it a try and please e-mail me back to tell me what you think. Understand I am NOT trying to sell anything. I just want to get my music out to people that I think will like what I have put my efforts into. To prove it, I will send anyone who wants one a FREE tape if you like what you hear! Thanks again! THE MAN ramelow@acc.mcneese.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) Still more Tribal Gathering rumors... Date: 14 Oct 1996 09:34:09 -0600 (MDT) > Can anyone actually corroborate these funky rumors about possible new > recordings and concert appearances? At least Pete Namlook, fellow German > and spacemusic god, puts out recordings of his concert appearances. Yeah, but Namlook also releases more albums every year than Kraftwerk have in their entire career . . . :-) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) KW = EUPHORIA! Date: 14 Oct 1996 13:54:55 -0700 (I, ROBOT) Guten Tag! About my last letter: OOPS! I accident'ly POSTED it before I could EDIT. I shoulda known it was WAY too long. All that stuff about Stereo Infusion should've been in a separate letter. I DID want to EXPRESS Myself, but, I didn't mean to UNLOAD all at ONCE! I beg forgiveness for cluttering up everyboby's mailboxes. [Hey, Scott, maybe we should give someone ELSE some "air time", eh? *snicker* 'Scuse me for being Facetious. Yeah, I AM a bit of a Smart-@$$, I admit. sorry. ;-)] Oh, yeah- As far as any "Mushy Stuff" goes, I know they guard their Privacy, but, I ASSUME the boys are all Married, or otherwise "Taken", so, I respect that. I just wanted to clear that up.'Nuff sed.... What Jef Planet said- *sigh* -I'm THERE, Dude! (Welcome Aboard! I'd like to hear Your TUNES, too!) I guess I'm not the Only one who spends HOURS just STARING at KW pictures in Awe and Reverence. Ah, Jef, Mon Ami, ('scuse my lousy French), You are SO LUCKY to have Fellow KW Fans close by with whom You can SHARE the EXPERIENCE! "Tears of Enjoyment"- YES! I KNOW! It's downright *EUPHORIC*, isn't it? It's a sort of "Psychic Massage"- Relaxing yet Invigorating at the same time- Guaranteed to Re-Charge Your Batteries! Here's a neat "trick": I've taken a couple of individuals Inside the Stereo with me once or twice. It's like this: I laid down with a frind of mine, with my left arm around one Speaker, holding her left hand with my right, and her right arm around the other Speaker. (You gotta have a Solid Connection.) We simply rested comfortably, with hands joined, and we could feel the ENERGY flowing back & forth between us, like a Circuit, as if we were part of the Speakers! It's a cross between a Mind-Meld and Astral-Projection! God, it Feels SO Good! TRY it sometime! I bet it would be even MORE intense with SEVERAL people at once!*SIGH*! Happy Listening! Uh-oh, I'd better STOP now.... (What's this about KW appearing at a "Tribal Gathering"???? Duh, WHICH Tribe? I'm 1/8th Cherokee, does that count? Ya-Ta-Hey! HO-O!) ROBOT gyrgrls@razorlogic.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phil Lefkowitz <104317.440@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) New CDs from KraftWELT & Komputer: Has anyone heard them? Date: 14 Oct 1996 18:35:38 -0400 Has anyone heard of KOMPUTER or KRAFTWELT? These Kraftwerk-like bands have some new product (in-light of Kraftwerks lack of meeting market demands for new product). These are new releases I was wondering if any has heard of knows anything about the bands? Komputer's new EP? Kraftwel" new album "Electric Dimension on Hypnotic Recordings (hypnotic@tunanet.com)? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) KW News Group? Date: 14 Oct 1996 15:38:39 -0700 (I, ROBOT) I heard about a KRAFTWERK "News Group" with this address: dm.music.electronic.kraftwerk@news.dm.net But, I can't FIND it ANYWHERE? url? http? html? I give up.... Does anybody know? Thanx! ROBOT gyrgrls@razorlogic.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) KW = EUPHORIA! Date: 14 Oct 1996 19:23:51 -0400 (EDT) > About my last letter: OOPS! I accident'ly POSTED it before I could >EDIT. I shoulda known it was WAY too long. All that stuff about Stereo >Infusion should've been in a separate letter. I DID want to EXPRESS >Myself, but, I didn't mean to UNLOAD all at ONCE! I must say, reading your posts thus far has been somewhat analagous to attempting to watch performances in all 3 rings of the circus at the same time. Believe me, this is a complement and I have always been quite the circus-going fellow indeed. Your posts have been relevant and colorful. >Hey, Scott, maybe we should give someone ELSE some "air time", eh? *snicker* Hehe...don't worry, everyone's got plenty of space to say what they need to say. In all honesty, the list was beginning to quiet down a bit too much for my tastes just prior to your arrival, so by all means, speak your mind! :O) > Here's a neat "trick": I've taken a couple of individuals Inside >the Stereo with me once or twice. It's like this: I laid down with a >frind of mine, with my left arm around one Speaker, holding her left >hand with my right, and her right arm around the other Speaker. (You >gotta have a Solid Connection.) We simply rested comfortably, with hands >joined, and we could feel the ENERGY flowing back & forth between us, >like a Circuit, as if we were part of the Speakers! It's a cross between >a Mind-Meld and Astral-Projection! God, it Feels SO Good! TRY it >sometime! Before anyone jumps in to assure you that you've lost all control over mind and reality, I'd just like to have you know that I've done what you're speaking about before. In fact, the KW-influenced musical project that I had been working on for the last 5 years (which just finally retired this past summer) was based around this very concept of using the music as a medium or means of "connecting" emotions and "transporting" physical energies. I'm impressed. :O) Guten Abend, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wenn wellen schwingen ferne stimmen singen..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) New CDs from KraftWELT & Komputer: Has anyone heard them? Date: 14 Oct 1996 19:23:48 -0400 (EDT) >Has anyone heard of KOMPUTER or KRAFTWELT? These Kraftwerk-like bands have >some new product (in-light of Kraftwerks lack of meeting market demands for >new product). >Kraftwel" new album "Electric Dimension on Hypnotic Recordings >(hypnotic@tunanet.com)? Well, last week I posted a message to the newsgroup pertaining to the new Kraftwelt LP, 'Electric Dimension' on Hypnotic Recordings (Hypnotic 9796). The point I was making was that Kraftwelt is a band which has obviously been heavily influenced by Kraftwerk, be it in title, music, and even imagery. The cover of the album features a solid red backdrop, and on it are 4 faceless metallic robot mannequins standing side by side. It automatically conjures up a hybrid combination of imagery from 'The Man-Machine' and 'The Mix'. Furthermore, the article in Pulse! magazine which advertises this record reads the following: "Continuing in the tradition of electronic pioneers Ralf & Florian. A progressive state-of-the-art synth-music release." Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I program my home computer..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) 3-Ring Cicus! COOL! Date: 14 Oct 1996 19:02:56 -0700 (I, ROBOT) -Hi, everybody- Scott's right, man, it's too QUIET out there- let's hear from the REST o' youse guys! *Hee-Hee*! Actually, there's a lot of good info that just came up- Thanks, Phil & Lazco, & Jef, etc.... So, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who's discovered the "Infusion" thing. It DOES Werk, believe me! And, Scott- I'd LOVE to talk nitty-gritty about Your Musik-Konnektion Experiments- whatever you call it. I read in an interview that R&F want to perFEKT their "BioMusik" stuff- and something about about Plugging the Brain DIRECTLY into an Amp/Speaker so it PLAYS whatever SOUND one can IMAGINE!*WOW*! HOOK ME UP! Like I said, they can Experiment on me ANY time! COOL! Oh, and there's nothing Weird about having a Traffic Cone in your Studio, okay? It's our favorite Band's LOGO, for cryin' out loud. Hell, I got a Garage FULL of 'em! I read some Old Chat about a guy that put the lyrics to *Boing-Boom-Tschak* on his computer (screensaver? whatever- a "banner" thingee) and he gets a kick out of seeing people's reactions. I'd put up the words to "Hier spricht die Stimme der Energie...." Short & Sweet- I'm gone. ROBOT gyrgrls@razorlogic.com http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) 3-Ring Cicus! COOL! Date: 14 Oct 1996 23:41:36 -0400 (EDT) >(I, ROBOT) By the way, I love the Asimov reference. :O) > So, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who's discovered the >"Infusion" thing. It DOES Werk, believe me! And, Scott- I'd LOVE to talk >nitty-gritty about Your Musik-Konnektion Experiments- whatever you call >it. I'd be happy to talk to you about it if you wanna take it up in private email or something. Yes, it certainly does work and has been most rewarding. >I read in an interview that R&F want to perFEKT their "BioMusik" >stuff- and something about about Plugging the Brain DIRECTLY into an >Amp/Speaker so it PLAYS whatever SOUND one can IMAGINE!*WOW*! HOOK ME >UP! Come to think of it, I might have a story or two about this sort of ideology in my experiments that you may appreciate or at least find entertaining. >there's nothing Weird about having a Traffic Cone in your Studio, okay? Well, that's reassuring. :O) >FULL of 'em! I read some Old Chat about a guy that put the lyrics to >*Boing-Boom-Tschak* on his computer (screensaver? whatever- a "banner" >thingee) and he gets a kick out of seeing people's reactions. I'd put up >the words to "Hier spricht die Stimme der Energie...." That's cool. I've actually got the traffic cone from the cover of the first KW album wallpapering my computer screen desktop. I reproduced it by hand but I gotta say it looks damn convincing. Let me know if you'd like me to send you a copy of it as a .bmp or a .jpg file. The same goes for any of you out here if you'd like it. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Interpol and Deutsche Bank...FBI and Scotland Yard..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Pete Namlook's albums & otha shit Date: 14 Oct 1996 23:27:52 EDT >>> Yeah, but Namlook also releases more albums every year than Kraftwerk have in their entire career . . . :-) <<< About how many albums does Namlook have, about 100? After all, he does own the Fax label. BTW, that copy of EC (the one that I found in the bookshop in Rhinebeck, NY) was so old that it still had the longbox that CDs in the US had until 1993! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) Private Email Date: 14 Oct 1996 22:46:18 -0700 ROBOT Hey, SCOTT! Why wont my letter to your Private Email "SEND"? It got bounced back! Please Email ME so I can auto-respond! HELP!!!! gyrgrls@razorlogic.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) KW computer wallpaper Date: 15 Oct 1996 02:13:19 EDT >>> Let me know if you'd like me to send you a copy of it as a .bmp or a .jpg file. The same goes for any of you out here if you'd like it. <<< Yo, Scott, that sounds phat, but my e-mail only handles text, knowhutimsayin'? I'm really aching to know if anyone can corroborate those recent rumors about a new album & concert appearance. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: (kw) New CDs from KraftWELT & Komputer: Has anyone heard them? Date: 15 Oct 1996 08:42:59 EDT > Komputer's new EP? Yeah... I have an advance tape of Komputer's next single release, "Looking Down On London". It's kind of like Komputer do "TEE" except it's the London Transport & Underground system they're paying homage to. I think it's excellent fun; better than their first EP - which was also *very* Kraftwerkian. Anyone who enjoyed that will certainly love this, but anyone who's offended by (pretty realistic) KW imitations should stay well clear. The only stuff I know about them is that they come from London and contain at least one member of the band Fortran 5. They're also supporting Erasure on their upcoming London dates (but not the provincial ones). They're on Mute and you can get a bit more info about them at the Mute Liberation Technologies website: http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/ Not heard this Kraftwelt stuff though - any good? STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: (kw) KW computer wallpaper Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:01:48 EDT > I'm really aching to know if anyone can corroborate > those recent rumors about a new album & concert appearance. Well, I know that everyone's pretty suspicious of all these rumours by now, but I've heard if from several different sources now that as of this moment KW are *definitely* confirmed to appear at next year's Tribal Gathering event in Oxfordshire, England. The date is not yet fixed but probably mid-May. The strongest confirmation comes from an associate - a big KW fan himself, though he's not on this list - who works in the music business and has spoken directly to the Mean Fiddler/Universe people who put on this event - i.e. it is *not* the usual vague "friend of a friend"-type scenario. And of course, this begs the question: what are they going to perform? Surely not the same "The Mix"-derived set *once more*?! Then again... :-) STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) KW News Group Date: 15 Oct 1996 09:43:07 -0600 (MDT) > I heard about a KRAFTWERK "News Group" with this address: > dm.music.electronic.kraftwerk@news.dm.net > But, I can't FIND it ANYWHERE? url? http? html? I give up.... You need to tell your news reader to use news.dm.net as your NNTP server, then it'll be able to see the group. If you don't know how to do that, check the docs for your newsreader or ask your provider. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Those OTHER Capitol/EMI bands again Date: 16 Oct 1996 11:31:58 EDT >>> In my opinion, both the Beatles and the Beach Boys were consistent in providing more albums at a more frequent basis. The played on catchy phrases such as "She loves you ya! ya! ya!" and "Good! Good! Good! Good vibrations!" True that Kraftwerk did in fact make Autobahn catchy, but they were not consistent in thier "catchyness" and that's why their follow up album Radioactivity failed in the U.K. (where the Beatles came from) and the United States (where the Beach Boys came from). Radioactivity worked well in Germany and France, but the "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn" was missing from the album. It's a shame, but I think that with the sucess that they had in Autobahn caused the to go their own way.... <<< Yeah, but KW has better beats. When the beat's in the center of the mix, it makes the whole record better, knowhutimsayin'? Beats are always better than "catchyness." Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Those OTHER Capitol/EMI bands again Date: 16 Oct 1996 12:58:51 -0400 (EDT) >True that Kraftwerk did in fact make Autobahn catchy, but they were not >consistent in thier "catchyness" and that's why their follow up album >Radioactivity failed in the U.K. (where the Beatles came from) and the >United States (where the Beach Boys came from). Radioactivity worked well in >Germany and France, but the "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn" was >missing from the album. It's a shame, but I think that with the sucess that >they had in Autobahn caused the to go their own way.... <<< The only thing about the 'Autobahn' album that caused it to catch on in the U.S. and the U.K. was the 22 minute track "Autobahn" itself, due its pop feel and Beach Boys-ish catchiness that was mentioned already. On the whole however, I personally find that 'Radio-Activity' as an album had much more to offer to mainstream pop audiences in the U.S. and U.K. than 'Autobahn' as an album, which is why I was surprised that it failed to chart well in these countries whilst 'Autobahn' did. When it comes right down to it, 'Autobahn' is only a 5 song record, 4 out of the 5 tracks being moody avante-garde instrumental pieces that would fail to appeal to a mainstream chart-type audience in the U.S. or U.K. 'Radio-Activity' on the other hand, for the first time offered a real solid attempt at several real mainstream pop selections that were all short enough in length to perfectly cater to radio play. These selections were "Radio-Activity", "Antenna", and "Airwaves". "Airwaves" even maintains that very Beach Boys-ish quality which boosted "Autobahn" to fame in the U.S. While 'Radio-Activity' does retain some of the experimental and avante-garde qualities of its predecessors on tracks like "Uranium", "News", "Intermission", and "The Voice Of Energy", it blends in a healthy mixture with the more concrete pop numbers like "Radio-Activity", "Antenna", "Airwaves", and "Ohm Sweet Ohm". That is why this album was the *perfect* transition album for KW to bridge the gap between 'Autobahn' and 'Trans-Europe Express'. A timeless classic. -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Drehen wir am Radiophon..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 16 Oct 1996 16:25:07 -0600 (MDT) I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands that are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily covering or sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any suggestions? 8:01 Recoil: The Defector 4:42 Lassigue Bendthaus: Alias 5:30 Kraftbach: Lie-Werk 5:24 Erasure: Chertsey Endlos 5:44 System 7: Interstate 8:14 Komputer: Oh Synthesizer I know I'm going to have to throw in something by Spacelab as well, I just don't know what yet . . . -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) So what's this then... Date: 17 Oct 1996 02:19:03 +0100 Yo niggaz! ??? I saw in the info mail upon joining this list that newbies should present= themselves. So, there... I'm a Swedish devotee born in the year 0 AA (Anno Autobahn). Besides worshipping die G=F6tter von audio-visueller Kunst, I also dedicate a few= moments of pleasure to their disciples like f242, FLA, Laibach, And One, Yello et= al. The above being my main occupation, I also do computer graphics (AMIGA!) = and, at will, some medical studies. For extended wisdom, look up the URL below= =2E Gerade aus, -- // \\ //____________________________________________= ___ E M A N U E L M A I R \X/ |mair@medstud.gu.se = | |-There are more old winos in this world than |mair@clavicula.mednet.gu= =2Ese| | there are old doctors... |mail me for s-mail addre= ss.| |_______________________________________________| +46-(0)70-781-90= -14| |SYSTEM ALERT #0.998 System Error:"Intel Inside"| = | |SYSTEM ALERT #2 Virus Detected: "Windows 95" |http://medstud.gu.se/~ma= ir/| |_____________________________________________.sign under construction...= ___|= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) Non sequitur Date: 17 Oct 1996 02:26:21 +0100 While I'm still at it: "Replies go to the original sender" - what kind of a _mailing list_ is that?? Gerade aus, -- // \\ //_______________________________________________ E M A N U E L M A I R \X/ |mair@medstud.gu.se | |-There are more old winos in this world than |mair@clavicula.mednet.gu.se| | there are old doctors... |mail me for s-mail address.| |_______________________________________________| +46-(0)70-781-90-14| |SYSTEM ALERT #0.998 System Error:"Intel Inside"| | |SYSTEM ALERT #2 Virus Detected: "Windows 95" |http://medstud.gu.se/~mair/| |_____________________________________________.sign under construction...___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 16 Oct 1996 18:09:18 -0700 Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands that > are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily covering or > sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any suggestions? > > 8:01 Recoil: The Defector > 4:42 Lassigue Bendthaus: Alias > 5:30 Kraftbach: Lie-Werk > 5:24 Erasure: Chertsey Endlos > 5:44 System 7: Interstate > 8:14 Komputer: Oh Synthesizer > > I know I'm going to have to throw in something by Spacelab as well, I just > don't know what yet . . . > > -- > ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) > The song "Out There Somewhere"(part 1 - 10:42) by my newly found electronic faves, Orbital, has a Kraftwerky feel to it. Mixes newer EC stuff with earlier, more ambient KW (like KW1), and throws in early computer noises, like something off of Computer World. I wouldn't say they were trying to sound like Kraftwerk, because the song still retains a modern techno sound, but you can definitely hear the influence. K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: Re: (kw) So what's this then... Date: 16 Oct 1996 18:12:54 -0700 Emanuel Mair wrote: > > Yo niggaz! ??? > um, I'm lost. Is this racist or...........explain. I am really against racism so, um, let me know what that is suppossed mean. No offense if you didn't mean it in that way, but explain. K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) Amusing Anectdotes Dept. Date: 16 Oct 1996 18:26:20 -0700 (really ROBOT) Ignorance vs. Stupidity: Ignorance is missing a KRAFTWERK Concert in L.A. in '81 because it wasn't advertised way up here in Eureka. (CW came out, so, I asked around, but, nobodt TOLD me!) Stupidity is being in a Record store in Riverside in '77, my then- boyfriend shows me AUTOBAHN, "Hmm, Electronics, Vocals, Percussion- and GuiTAR & VioLIN?? Nah-h, I'm looking for PURE SYNTH...."(neither one of us knew KW) and I pass it up and "discover" it a year later- and it turns out they did a Concert (L.A.) sometime that same year. (SLAP ME!) Then there's being CHICKEN: I'm at a coffee shop in San Jose, spring '80, (I hitched around a lot back then), having lunch with an aquaintance. I go to use the phone and pass by a table just as the waiter sets down these HUMONGOUS Sundaes (in BIG Brandy Snifters) in front of these 2 guys- (this all happens in about 10 seconds- very brief)- I looked surprised and said, "Wow- dessert!", and they smiled up at me, glanced at my Silver headband, (I wasn't in my M.M "Uniform" that day, but, I Always wore Mannequin make-up & my Shiny "Antenna" head band, and I was used to being Stared at), so, I smiled back & gave a little nod, and they didn't speak, but, (y'know, friendly quick acknowledgement, strangers in passing), they were kinda Cheking me Out, and I was kinda checking Them out, real briefly, and I noticed the high-waisted European cut of their slacks- there was something a little bit Different about these guys- I glanced again at their faces, (sideburns? too-dark hair, one has glasses? Maybe....?? Nah-h-h, it Couldn't be....), so I just gave a polite friendly little wave and proceeded to go use the phone. 'Came out, exchanged friendly glances again & sat back down with my "date" on the other side of the room. I was telling him- "Jeez, those guys kinda look like Ralf & Florian!"- but, I passed it off as wishful thinking and tried to put it out of my mind. They ate their Sundaes, we ate our lunch, and they went went their way and we went ours. A few months later, CW was released. *D-OHH*! Maybe that WAS them, in the area on Business. No, I would've known their unique Facial Features- I'm an Artist- But, people often look very different in fotos, and Ralf DID wear glasses (KW I&II), and they might let the sideburns grow a little when they're not Performing- it still haunts me. I shoulda atleast had the guts to ASK. 'Couldn't've hurt. I keep having this recurring dream about going to the Loleta store, seeing these guys on fancy high-tech bikes, wearing black spandex, I walk by humming TDF, they ask directions, we start talking, it takes a second to realize, "Ah, nice day for a bike ride! Yeah, take this road to Eel River, turn Right, and it's 7 miles to Ferndale- *..?..* -HEY! *gulp* WHENYAGONNADOANEWALBUM? HUH?HUH? Oh, BITTE-BITTE! MORE VIBES!" That's ALL I'd wanna ask! *sigh* DREAM ON.... Yeah, Ignorance, Stupidity, and just plain Chicken-s**t. "Anybody Else got any Amusing Anectdotes? Close Encounters, perhaps? Let's Hear it! We don't have to be Serious ALL the time, do we? C'mon, I really NEED the cheering up. If it weren't for KW's MUSIK, (and TREK/SCI-FI), Life would TOTALLY SUCK!!!! ....Thank GOD for the NET.... Most of All, I thank GOD for putting R & F on this Earth- Thank You, Lord! ROBOT http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danyel Ramelow Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 16 Oct 1996 23:15:01 -0700 Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands that > are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily covering or > sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any suggestions? > > 8:01 Recoil: The Defector > 4:42 Lassigue Bendthaus: Alias > 5:30 Kraftbach: Lie-Werk > 5:24 Erasure: Chertsey Endlos > 5:44 System 7: Interstate > 8:14 Komputer: Oh Synthesizer > > I know I'm going to have to throw in something by Spacelab as well, I just > don't know what yet . . . > > -- > ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. Could you dub me a tape when you decide on the tracks? I really like Kraftwerk but I don't know of many other bands like them. Danyel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 17 Oct 1996 7:22:02 METDST Danyel Ramelow wrote: >Lazlo Nibble wrote: >> >> I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands that >> are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily covering or >> sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any suggestions? >> >> 8:01 Recoil: The Defector >> 4:42 Lassigue Bendthaus: Alias >> 5:30 Kraftbach: Lie-Werk >> 5:24 Erasure: Chertsey Endlos >> 5:44 System 7: Interstate >> 8:14 Komputer: Oh Synthesizer >> >> I know I'm going to have to throw in something by Spacelab as well, I just >> don't know what yet . . . >> >> ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) > >Could you dub me a tape when you decide on the tracks? I really like >Kraftwerk but I don't know of many other bands like them. > >Danyel > Yeah, that count's for me as well. Any objections if I asked you Lazlo? I vote for including Orbital. Eric -- Eric van Gasteren _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ ASIC Service Group, _/ _/_/_/ _/ Embedded Systems _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Technology Centre, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Room : WAY 4.51 _/_/_/ _/_/_/ontroller _/ _/odule _/_/_/ervice Phone : +31-40-2744958 _/ Fax : +31-40-2744626 E-Mail: gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com Prof. Holstlaan 4 5656 AA Eindhoven "Far is only far if you don't go there" The Netherlands # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com Subject: (kw) Yamo music Date: 17 Oct 1996 7:31:17 METDST Hi y'all I subscribed recently to this mailing list and thought let's give it my $0.02. Last saturday here in Holland was a big Electronic Music festival with all kind of EM-artists. In the afternoon Wolfgang Schnur and Florian Schneider came in and spread reprints of an interview from Paul Wilkinson with WS. They sat down and were ready for autographs (not autobahns :-) ). Quite an experience to meet the guys who had such a great impact on my life in person. As you know WS recently formed a band called YAMO. They had some unreleased sound material with them on tape and that was put into the tapedeck and played on the PA for some 15 minutes or so. MAN, THIS IS GREAT MUSIC. It was from their new CD Time Pie. If somebody is interested in a copy of this interview, drop me a mail or so. Bye, -- Eric van Gasteren _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ ASIC Service Group, _/ _/_/_/ _/ Embedded Systems _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Technology Centre, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Room : WAY 4.51 _/_/_/ _/_/_/ontroller _/ _/odule _/_/_/ervice Phone : +31-40-2744958 _/ Fax : +31-40-2744626 E-Mail: gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com Prof. Holstlaan 4 5656 AA Eindhoven "Far is only far if you don't go there" The Netherlands # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: (kw) Beat's in the center of the mix, it makes the whole record better. Date: 17 Oct 1996 06:15:45 UT >>Yeah, but KW has better beats. When the beat's in the center of the mix, it makes the whole record better, knowhutimsayin'? Beats are always better than "catchyness." Peace>> I do knowhutyursayin Adam, but in 1974-1975, when KW gave us Autobahn and Radioactivity, there wasn't too much "beat" goin on (only groups I can initally think of that was groundbreaking was ABBA - "Dancing Queen" or maybe Bob Marley - "Lively Up Yourself" and "I Shot The Sheriff"). I mean, there wasn't too much mixin up goin' on with songs like "Have You Ever Been Mellow" or "Kodachrome". Let's face it, in the early '70's, the average 'pop' band really didn't have any idea that there would be "mixes" and dance music (it was pretty boring time for music and a lot of the songs simply sucked)... even Pink Floyd, as good as they are, couldn't break too much ground on the dance scene with "Money" (personally I thought they didn't come all the way down from their LSD trip when they made Ummagumma... but here is an album, Dark Side of the Moon, that was not only catchy but stayed in the Top 200 for something like 13 years). Bottom line, most Americans thought that KW was simply a novelty group and the first two albums that they released in the US were differing only accidentally. I would agree with Scott by saying that Radioactivity is a timeless classic. But the average consumer may not have had an equal chance to enjoy KW compared to Pink Floyd or The Beach Boys... it's possible that HAD the consumer had equal exposure to KW's music and its style, the consumer wouldn't know the difference and KW's records sales would have escalated (think of who the DJs were back then and what they thought of as "groovy"). R&B should be credited for bring a lot of KW's sales in America. It seems like soul music took KW's songs and ideas underneath its wing right around the time TEE was made. R&B is one of the only sectors I know of in the States where there are scads of songs out there with Kraftwerk-like expressions. cheerio... Larry R. LaCost Jr. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 17 Oct 1996 02:15:25 EDT >>> I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands that are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily covering or sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any suggestions? <<< The Puppies: "Funky Y-2-C" Hashim: "Al-Naafiysh (The Soul)" Sir Mix-A-Lot: "Baby Got Back" and "Ride" Twilight 22: "Electric Kingdom" Man Parrish: "Hip-Hop Bebop" Jonzun Crew: "Pack Jam" Newcleus: "Computer Age (Push the Button)" and early shit by New Order and EVERYTHING from Cybotron's 1983 album (anyone know if that's still in print?). Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 17 Oct 1996 11:39:48 METDST > > I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands that > are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily covering or > sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any suggestions? > > 8:01 Recoil: The Defector > 4:42 Lassigue Bendthaus: Alias > 5:30 Kraftbach: Lie-Werk > 5:24 Erasure: Chertsey Endlos > 5:44 System 7: Interstate > 8:14 Komputer: Oh Synthesizer > > I know I'm going to have to throw in something by Spacelab as well, I just > don't know what yet . . . The obvious choice (to me) must be 'Artificial Intelligence' from the the collection Nordic Beats on Telegram Records. By the way, have you missed the song 'Kling Klang' made by the german group Camouflage? It is on the back- side of the 12" single 'One fine day'. It's *very* Kraftwerk-like. Also, there is a single by Sir Mix-a-lot which is a pastisch on Numbers, but this is maybe not *that* Kraftwerkisch. Somewhere in the future there will be a record by a swedish group called Optocode which are somewhat of a Kraftwerk-clone. Up to now there are only two demos on tape. /Andreas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andy Swann Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 17 Oct 1996 10:51:54 +0100 (BST) At 16:25 16/10/96 -0600, you wrote: >I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands that >are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily covering or >sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any suggestions? > > 8:01 Recoil: The Defector > 4:42 Lassigue Bendthaus: Alias > 5:30 Kraftbach: Lie-Werk > 5:24 Erasure: Chertsey Endlos > 5:44 System 7: Interstate > 8:14 Komputer: Oh Synthesizer > >I know I'm going to have to throw in something by Spacelab as well, I just >don't know what yet . . . How about... Electriods - Japenese Electronics (LP - Electroworld. Warp Records) Speedy J - Jackpot (LP - Ginger. Warp Records) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) So what's this then... Date: 17 Oct 1996 11:47:32 METDST > > Emanuel Mair wrote: > > > > Yo niggaz! ??? > > > > um, I'm lost. Is this racist or...........explain. I am really > against racism so, um, let me know what that is suppossed mean. No > offense if you didn't mean it in that way, but explain. > > K.C. > No, this is not really racism. This expression is used among black hip hop acts in the US, probably to take away the original racist touch of it. I have some hip hop records, and 'niggaz' is *very* frequently used, so it nothing to bother about. Anyhow, I think that it should not be used on this list, it seems... um ...unnecessary. /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) So what's this then... (My LAST reply to this) Date: 17 Oct 1996 16:26:58 +0100 On 17-Okt-96 A.D., Andreas Elin carved the follwing runes about "Re: (kw)= So what's this then...": >> Emanuel Mair wrote: >> > >> > Yo niggaz! ??? >> um, I'm lost. Is this racist or...........explain. I am really [...] >> K.C. >> >No, this is not really racism. This expression is used among black hip h= op >acts in the US, probably to take away the original racist touch of it. I= have >some hip hop records, and 'niggaz' is *very* frequently used, so it noth= ing >to bother about. Anyhow, I think that it should not be used on this list= , it >seems... um ...unnecessary. >/Andreas Elin - Nice to see _someone_ hasn't lived with glued-in earplugs the last 10 y= ears = ;-) ******************************************************* So I'd better send this msg to the whole ML then... Hello! (ok?) I'm truly sorry if anyone was offended in anyway by a mere greeting phras= e. It didn't occur to me that politics was discussed here, and I wouldn't wa= nt to risk appearing as non-PC or as if I wasn't taking everything dead-serious= ly, would I? ;-} Besides, do You know what type of complexion I have? Nah... Let's drop this OT "subject" now - Eine Mensch-Maschine hat keine Farben!= ******************************************************* Now to something more important. My private collection is constituted of (among "a few" other things) a CW= shirt/sweater. It's black and long-sleeved, acquired ca 81-82, KW-faces f= rom the album on the front and "KRAFTWERK" printed down the right sleeve, all in CW-yellow. Now I wonder if anyone out there could inform me whether this is an "offi= cial" KW-collectable or - as I suspect myself - a bootleg. Gerade aus, -- // \\ //____________________________________________= ___ E M A N U E L M A I R \X/ |mair@medstud.gu.se = | |-There are more old winos in this world than |mair@clavicula.mednet.gu= =2Ese| | there are old doctors... |mail me for s-mail addre= ss.| |_______________________________________________| = | |SYSTEM ALERT #0.998 System Error:"Intel Inside"| = | |SYSTEM ALERT #2 Virus Detected: "Windows 95" |http://medstud.gu.se/~ma= ir/| |_____________________________________________.sign under construction...= ___|= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aliquid faciendum est Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 17 Oct 1996 12:08:00 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com wrote: > >Lazlo Nibble wrote: > >> > >> I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands that > >> are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily covering or > >> sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any suggestions? > >> > >> 8:01 Recoil: The Defector > >> 4:42 Lassigue Bendthaus: Alias > >> 5:30 Kraftbach: Lie-Werk > >> 5:24 Erasure: Chertsey Endlos > >> 5:44 System 7: Interstate > >> 8:14 Komputer: Oh Synthesizer i would include some of the new 'kraftwelt', and maybe some of the depeche mode remixes of 'policy of truth' (the last half of the song has very kraftwerkian passages). ___________________ jwgrote@indiana.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Non sequitur Date: 17 Oct 1996 11:28:02 -0600 (MDT) > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. > > While I'm still at it: > "Replies go to the original sender" - what kind of a _mailing list_ is that?? It's one where the Reply-to: address is no longer set to the list. This is a reminder that if you just hit the reply key on most mailers, your response will go to the original poster instead of to the mailing list, and that if you want your reply to go to the mailing list you need to send it to kraftwerk@xmission.com. It is not some kind of rule that subscribers are expected to follow. If I can think of a clearer way to get all that across in 76 characters or less, I'll change the message. :-) -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: Re: (kw) So what's this then... Date: 17 Oct 1996 11:36:35 -0600 (MDT) > I'm truly sorry if anyone was offended in anyway by a mere greeting phrase. > It didn't occur to me that politics was discussed here... I can't speak to its usage in Europe, but the word "niggaz" is not a "mere greeting phrase" in the States. Like any other insulting term, you'd better be careful to limit your casual use of it to your immediate friends if you don't want to start a fight. This has a lot less to do with political correctness than it has to do with courtesy. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) "Car Talk" on NPR Date: 17 Oct 1996 10:50:02 -0700 -More "Chat" from ROBOT- (Oh, NO- not HER again! SOMEbody PULL her PLUG! QUICK! Turn her OFF!) Har- turn ME off? Not a Chance!*snicker*! When they built me, they forgot to install an "OFF" switch.... I've been up since 0600- Stupid Insomnia- cut me some slack, okay? -Like, HI- I thought y'all might get a kick out of this letter I wrote to The Car Talk Guys just now- they do a show on National Public Radio, check Your local College Station- we have KHSU (Humboldt State)- They clown around a lot and give Words of Wisdom about fixing cars- so, I figured they ought to be Hip to AB! Do you think they'll like it? I "preached" about KW, which is Relevant to this Mail List, and I told them about our Funky Little Car, which may not be Relevant to KW in and of itself, but, it wouldn't read right if I omit that portion- (and I quote myself....) -Lieber Klick und Klack- Guten Tag! Have you ever driven on the AUTOBAHN? If not, I recommend that You listen to the ALBUM- yeah, AUTOBAHN by KRAFTWERK, it'll TAKE you there!! (1974- these guys STARTED the whole TECHNO Genre WAY ahead of their own time! Die MENSCH.MASCHINE is even BETTER- Androids with Attitude- 'gotta LOVE 'em! ROBOTS RULE! But, CARS are Your thing, so AB is right up Your alley. Hold on to Your Sub-Woofer and Krank it UP!*sigh*!) I love your show- funny, I don't even drive, but, I get such a kick just listening to You guys! My Hubby could learn a thing or 2 with Your Sage AdVICE! He drives a Dark Spectral-Violet 1978 HONDA CVCC. I call it "The Grape", or, "Grapemobile". 'Needs a clutch, and the passenger door wont open from the inside, so, it forces Johnny/Gyro to be a "Gentleman" and Let Me OUT! and he always bitches about it, but, we can't afford a new door- besides, how would we Ever find one to Match? He wrote to You already, so, now it's MY turn! Hee-Hee! INSANITY ALERT! Keep up the Good WERK, Brudern (Brothers)! (Usual sign-off, "Live Long....FORCE Be With You", end quote) So, maybe they'll mention it on their show and play a bit of AB for the listening audience- Anything to Spread the VIBES! I couldn't Resist! I'll "plug" (sic) KW any chance I GET! I'm shameless, aren't I? -That's Enuf 4 now ROBOT http://www.ypn/com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Osvaldo Dalzotto Subject: (kw) Intro Date: 17 Oct 1996 15:39:53 -0700 Hi everyone, I'm a new member of this wonderful mailin list. My name is Osvaldo Dalzotto, I'm 32 and I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I first bought a Kraftwerk record in 1980. It was The Man Machine. Now, I'm trying to get all of them in CD. I lack Kraftwerk 1 + 2 and the other solo albums. There aren't many people here in Argentina who listen to them nowadays. And since they've not released any new album lately I also listen to other bands (many of them from 80's) Depeche Mode, OMD, Propaganda, Talk talk, New Order, Soft Cell, Marc Almond, Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, etc. Now I listen to bands like Enigma (my favourite), Deep Forest, Delerium, Beautiful World, and all of ambient-electronic ones. I just wanted to introduce myself. Sorry for my English, it's not so good. I do speak Spanish. Does anybody else speak Spanish in this list. That's all for now. I want to add that it's a very interesting mailing list !! Cheers, Osvaldo Dalzotto PD= E-mails welcomed !!! mailto:sayago@internet.siscotel.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: prabhu@wedgwood.cs.umass.edu Subject: Re: (kw) boguewerk Date: 17 Oct 1996 15:02:38 -0400 (EDT) (OK, I'm not sure if this addresses the issue, since I'm actually suggesting contemporaries of K'werk, and not bands "influenced" by them) If you're interested in the earlier more experimental stuff, I'd suggest the French group "Heldon" headed by Richard Pinhas. I have a couple of the albums, and they sound like Kraftwerk with guitars (kind of a cross between Kraftwerk & King Crimson). Richard Pinhas' "Chronolyse" & "Un Consequence Sans Reve" are pretty close to side 2 of "Autobahn" and maybe even some of "Radioactivity". Other suggestions (but going a little further away from the Kraftwerk sound) would be the other German synth-pioneers like Ash Ra Tempel (and Ashra), Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream ... -- Rajesh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) That Fuckin' word! Date: 17 Oct 1996 15:17:12 EDT >>> No, this is not really racism. This expression is used among black hip hop acts in the US, probably to take away the original racist touch of it. I have some hip hop records, and 'niggaz' is *very* frequently used, so it nothing to bother about. Anyhow, I think that it should not be used on this list, it seems... um ...unnecessary. <<< As an honorary Original B-Boy, don't go poppin' that yang to the brothaz on tha ave! If a white person says that shit, s/he'll get killed--no joke. "Niggaz" is often used as a synonym for "friend," as in, "Wassup, my nigga?" or "I be hangin' wit my niggaz," but many people feel that brothaz be puttin' themselves down. I do know white kids that refer to their friends as "niggaz," but, like I said before, any white person who uses that word to a Black person will be killed. Or as the hip-hop group The Coup says, "It don't make no difference if you spell it with an 'a,'" to tell you that this new spelling is synonymous with the old one that African-Americans find to be one of the worst things that you can say--IT IS RACISM! >>> Cybotron? I never heard of them! <<< Cybotron was, I think, a pseudonym for Derrick May, the famed DJ who is creditied with inventing the genre "techno" with "Magic" Juan Atkins and Kevin Saunderson. Cybotron's music was part of the "electric funk" scene in the early 1980s. CT released an album in 1983, and another one around 1992. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aliquid faciendum est Subject: Re: (kw) Intro Date: 17 Oct 1996 15:21:05 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Osvaldo Dalzotto wrote: > I first bought a Kraftwerk record in 1980. It was The Man Machine. > Now, I'm trying to get all of them in CD. I lack Kraftwerk 1 + 2 > and the other solo albums. > I do speak Spanish. Does anybody else speak Spanish in this list. si, osvaldo, hablo espanol aqui en los estados unidos. me gustaria ayudarte con los discos de kraftwerk que no tienes, pero necesito saber cuales son que no tienes. como puedes ver, no soy nativo en espanol, y unas de mis frases van a ser un poco torpes... lo siento! jeff translation: i told osvaldo that i'd be glad to help him in finding other kraftwerk discs. anyone else want to help? ___________________ jwgrote@indiana.edu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: SV: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 17 Oct 1996 23:51:19 +-100 I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands = that are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily = covering or sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any = suggestions? Stereolab's "OLV-26" is very "Radio Aktivitish". You'll find it on their = recent CD "Emperor Tomato Ketchup". An example of indie-pop extremely = inspired by KW. I also recommend almost any song from Mouse On Mars latest album "Iaora = Taiti". This is a very special album, it's modern techno-music but it = sound very much like the very early KW music (e.g. KW1 & KW2). (And, of = course, W Flur is playing drums on it).=20 I would say that these two albums belonged to the best ones released in = 1995 and 1996 respectively. These two groups are making beautiful hommages to KW without any trace = of pastich or counterfeiting. I hope you'll enjoy the songs. /Conny Fornbaeck, Sweden # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: Re: (kw) So what's this then... Date: 17 Oct 1996 16:42:27 -0700 Andreas Elin wrote: > No, this is not really racism. This expression is used among black hip hop > acts in the US, probably to take away the original racist touch of it. I have > some hip hop records, and 'niggaz' is *very* frequently used, so it nothing > to bother about. Anyhow, I think that it should not be used on this list, it > seems... um ...unnecessary. > > /Andreas Elin > I understand that the word is used frequently by hip hop artists in the U.S.. But, I still object to the word, no matter who uses it! The original meaning of the word is extremely degrading, and could offend a lot of people. Not every African American person listens to hip hop. Me, I'm white, but I hate racism of any kind. Also, to get your point across, you don't have to make fun of me. (ie. "seems......um......unneccary"). K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) So what's this then... Date: 17 Oct 1996 20:59:33 -0400 we don't have feelings about this. we don't need them. feelings. that is. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) So what's this then... Date: 18 Oct 1996 9:47:04 METDST > > Andreas Elin wrote: > > > No, this is not really racism. This expression is used among black hip hop > > acts in the US, probably to take away the original racist touch of it. I have > > some hip hop records, and 'niggaz' is *very* frequently used, so it nothing > > to bother about. Anyhow, I think that it should not be used on this list, it > > seems... um ...unnecessary. > > > > /Andreas Elin > > > > I understand that the word is used frequently by hip hop artists in > the U.S.. But, I still object to the word, no matter who uses it! The > original meaning of the word is extremely degrading, and could offend a > lot of people. Not every African American person listens to hip hop. > Me, I'm white, but I hate racism of any kind. Also, to get your point > across, you don't have to make fun of me. (ie. > "seems......um......unneccary"). > > K.C. It was never my intention to make fun of you, I just think that using the word in question is unnecessary. If somehow I have offended you I'm truly sorry. /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: (kw) PSB Kraftwerk Date: 17 Oct 1996 23:28:02 +0100 [Boston Globe, 06-Sep-96] Pop Tart : Pet Shop Boys go Latin with Bilingual By Jim Sullivan The Pet Shop Boys' upcoming album, out Tuesday, is called "Bilingual," The opening song, "Discoteca," and the subsequent, segued track "Single" suggest something sad and haunting, but also something exuberant and exhilarating. It's this mesh the Pet Shop Boys - Neil Tennant and Chris Lowe - have been perfecting over a decade, through various other fads and trends. "Discoteca" celebrates the joys of clubland, single extolls these two joys "I'm Single/Bilingual!" Massive percussive waves roll over you, a simple, infectious, keyboard-based melody line snares you and hedonism rules. So, then is the lyric true? This is asked of singer lyricist Tennant. "I speak a little French" he says, from his London home, "and we were in South America and learned a bit of Spanish and Portuguese - very musical languages... French and German aren't really unless you're Kraftwerk." He 'fesses up that the Spanish line he utters on the album aren't really second nature to him. "all the phrases come from a phrase book." Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at ¿ Hay una discoteca por aquí ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: (kw) PSB Kraftwerk Part II Date: 18 Oct 1996 00:10:51 +0100 [BBC Radio 1, 23-Aug-96] [Pet Shop Boys talk to Simon Mayo] ..... Mayo : A cover version, but not so anyone would know really. Neil : Well it gets... if you look on the credits of the record it's got about fifteen writers! That's the reason for that. Mayo : Now when I was on holiday... I've got a five year old boy who is really in to Kraftwerk, which I think is really cool. I was listening to their mix album and what I can't quite sort of work out is that you've been making records like this for ten or eleven years and Kraftwerk were around in the seventies making keyboard based albums, and their stuff sounds really really contemporary. It sounds like it could have been made now. Why is that? Neil : I think the reason is that Kraftwerk have always been purists, so in the seventies they made records only using old, what was then contemporary, analogue synthesizers, and when you use pure electronic sounds like that they don't date. Mayo : But if you listen to Rick Wakeman that sounds very VERY old. Neil : Yeah, but he was doing a sort of fake orchestral approach, whereas Kraftwerk just have all of these elegant lines playing at the same time. I mean Kraftwerk's music to me reminds me of Bach or something at the same time because it's very elegant, these very elegant lines all playing together. It's the kind of music that isn't going to date. Sometimes some of the references in the songs might sound a bit old-fashioned and scientific now, but the actual sounds and also those old analogue sounds simply don't date. Chris: And also Kraftwerk were very ahead of their time anyway. I mean they sort of invented hip-hop years before anyone else. ..... brought to you by Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at ¿ Hay una discoteca por aquí ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) re; Boguework Date: 17 Oct 1996 18:57:07 EDT >> From: "Lazlo Nibble" >> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 16:25:07 -0600 (MDT) >> Subject: (kw) Boguewerk >> >> I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands that >> are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily covering or >> sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any suggestions? > > From: "K.C." > > The song "Out There Somewhere"(part 1 - 10:42) by my newly found > electronic faves, Orbital, has a Kraftwerky feel to it. Definitely! Also; New Order; 'Your Silent Face' (6.00) (Very Kraftwerky arpeggiated backing a la 'Europe Endless') Depeche Mode; 'World In My Eyes' (Oil Tank Mix) (6.53) (Pretty darn good steal of the Electric Cafe ('Boing Boom Tschak'/ 'Musique Non Stop') rhythm techniques.) Hard Corps; 'Desolation Land' or 'Metal and Flesh' (4.15) or (5.31) (A little known UK outfit from the mid-80s, good electronic stuff, Kraftwerk imprint heavy on these two tracks in particular.) Din; '2000 Flushes' (8.06) (Kinda like 'Autobahn' a teensy bit. Nice, sweet electronic percussion sounds a la the original 'Autobahn'.) something by OMD; the most obvious of their 'homages' is probably 'Radio...' OOOPS! Just about to type 'Radio-Activity' there, when I did of course mean 'Electricity'! (about 4.00?) For a short burst of weirdness akin to parts of the aforementioned LP, you could also add 'Time Zones' (1.49) Maybe a little further out on a limb; Thomas Leer; 'As Tight As A Drum' (A real gem of a track, if you like the jerky electronic tones of something like 'The Man Machine', but not overly Kraftwerky. Good stuff though if (very) early 80s synth stuff appeals.) Ian Calder # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Knowin' what time it is Date: 17 Oct 1996 18:54:48 EDT >>> You know your shit! ::awe:: What do you do for a living? <<< Currently, I'm studying to be an independent film maker at Dutchess Community College in Poughkeepsie, NY; I'm getting my AA in January. I grew up in Money Makin' Manhattan, and my parents still live there. Now the scary part: I have a photographic memory (only about music) and a virtual encyclopedia about music in my brain--If I read something in a music magazine about an artist I like, I remember the factoid forever. I hate, loathe, and despise rock music, and when I was a li'l shaver about 10 years ago, I adored early 80s R&B (and I sill do), especially that electric funk stuff. Rock was played out for me when I was about 7 (mid-'70s). In fact, the last rock record I bought was "Arc" by Neil Young & Crazy Horse (35 minutes of guitar feedback--sorta like late-period John Coltrane ("Ascension" and "Om")). I used to groove to Jethro Tull during the 70s, but now I just use them to find riffs to sample for some local MCs that I make hip-hop tracks for. And KW is the best band ever! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: (kw) Ultra Rare Remixers Date: 18 Oct 1996 04:37:06 +0100 Hallo! Does someone know who the remixers of the suspicious "Ultra Rare Trax"-bootleg are? Gerade aus! -- // \\ //_______________________________________________ E M A N U E L M A I R \X/ |mair@medstud.gu.se | |-There are more old winos in this world than |mair@clavicula.mednet.gu.se| | there are old doctors... |mail me for s-mail address.| |_______________________________________________| +46-(0)70-781-90-14| |SYSTEM ALERT #0.998 System Error:"Intel Inside"| | |SYSTEM ALERT #2 Virus Detected: "Windows 95" |http://medstud.gu.se/~mair/| |_____________________________________________.sign under construction...___| # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kenny Jenkins Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 17 Oct 1996 17:09:31 -0500 in reference to the compilation tape: try K-Lucci 12" by Jark Prongo on Fresh Fruit records or the Bass Magnetic 2x12" by Aum88 ktel Jenkins # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 18 Oct 1996 08:09:11 EDT > I'm putting together a compilation tape for myself which features bands that > are doing their best to sound like Kraftwerk without necessarily covering or > sampling them. Beyond the following tracks, can anyone offer any > suggestions? Here's my 0.02 DM worth... ORBITAL: definitely "Out There Somewhere" but also check out "Attatched" from their "Sniviliation" album - klassik! HARD CORPS (the British band of this name): anything really, but especially "Metal & Flesh" TELEX: "The Voice" or "Radio Radio" - IMHO the best versions are from the "Wonderful World" album - I don't really rate the later remixes ELECKTROIDS: something from their "Electroworld" album NEW ORDER: "Your Silent Face", as previously discussed on the list SECTION 25: "Looking From A Hilltop" - not the vox I guess, but definitely the backing track KINETIC (the band who played KW covers at the KW conventions in UK, and are now doing their own stuff): "Kinetic Energy" DEPECHE MODE: "World in My Eyes (Oil Tank Mix)" - remixed by the wonderful Mr Francois Kevorkian ELECTRIBE 101: Electribal Memories INFORMATION SOCIETY: "Where Would I Be Without IBM?" which is produced by Elektric Music - so dunno if this counts! ...not to mention loads of early-80's electro stuff - take your pick! STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 18 Oct 1996 13:30:47 +0200 Oh damn, i've just realized that reply doesn't work anymore with the list. So I posted a reply elsewhere, to someone... Ok, it's just to say about kraftwerk-like musics. I would "vote" for: FSOL "Central Industrial" (LP ACCELERATOR) it's definitely very kraftwerk inspired. maybe also: Apoptygma Berzerk "Rebel" (album "7") quite good an kw-like too... Cheers, TiM -- :: Timour JGENTI Institut Francais du Petrole :. :: timour.jgenti@ifp.fr DIMA, groupe Image ..:::. :: http://www.utbm.fr/les.personnes/lu.chen/tim/ ....:::::. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Simon Godfrey Subject: (kw) Re: Info on the band 'Komputer' Date: 18 Oct 1996 06:09:16 -0600 (MDT) Thanks to Mark Stagg for the info on 'Komputer' - this confirmed what I had first thought on hearing their record, that they had a connection with what was/is(?) 'Fortran 5' - It's definitely the same vocalist. It's nice to see that Komputer will be supporting Erasure on their forthcoming London dates. I got into Fortran 5 after hearing they had been formed from a band called 'I Start Counting', who I saw support Erasure in the mid-eighties. I'd strongly recommend anyone interested in KW-influenced bands, Depeche, etc to get hold of records by I Start Counting, Fortran 5 or Komputer - all give decent electronic pop for yer money! They have all been released on Mute Records, although the ISC and perhaps some of Fortran 5 have probably been deleted (maybe more info on the Mute website?). If you have any difficulty getting hold of these records, the best places I know of are 2nd hand record shops in London (eg Record&Tape Exchange in Notting Hill and Camden - around GB-pound 1-2.50 each), or try Sister Ray in Berwick Street, Soho. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: (kw) Beat's in the center of the mix, it makes the whole record , Date: 18 Oct 1996 08:42:00 -0400 (EDT) In defense of Adam and his opinion of better beats, when I hear RadioActivity, Computer World and Pocket Calculator, it is very easy for me to hear a certain dance beat that ABBA didn't have. Abba simply took an already existing music form, Disco, and created "Dancing Queen". KW music, in my opinion, had a beat that was popularized by an emerging post disco dance craze. In the 70's, KW was probably too ahead of their time for the masses to chill with them, but ask any old school Bronx rapper, Chicago house head, or Detroit techno DJ if they credit Disco or KW for their new futuristic sound, and I'll bet my Volkswagen Bus that KW had a lot more influence. I also have to say that being from the South Bronx, we have a diferent definition and tolerance of beats. Disco and funk were not the styles we associated with when we wanted to Pop, Electric Booggie, or Break Dance. KW beats was what we needed. (Although, "Atomic Dog" was probably the best Space Funk song ever created.) And I know Adam has a definite NYC old school flava!. Nate B-boy "mc ultra....Magnetic-Magenetic....mc ultra....Magnetic-Magnetic" On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Larry LaCost wrote: > >>Yeah, but KW has better beats. When the beat's in the center of the mix, it > makes the whole record better, knowhutimsayin'? Beats are always better than > "catchyness." Peace>> > > > I do knowhutyursayin Adam, but in 1974-1975, when KW gave us Autobahn and > Radioactivity, there wasn't too much "beat" goin on (only groups I can > initally think of that was groundbreaking was ABBA - "Dancing Queen" or maybe > Bob Marley - "Lively Up Yourself" and "I Shot The Sheriff"). I mean, there > wasn't too much mixin up goin' on with songs like "Have You Ever Been Mellow" > or "Kodachrome". Let's face it, in the early '70's, the average 'pop' band > really didn't have any idea that there would be "mixes" and dance music (it > was pretty boring time for music and a lot of the songs simply sucked)... even > Pink Floyd, as good as they are, couldn't break too much ground on the dance > scene with "Money" (personally I thought they didn't come all the way down > from their LSD trip when they made Ummagumma... but here is an album, Dark > Side of the Moon, that was not only catchy but stayed in the Top 200 for > something like 13 years). Bottom line, most Americans thought that KW was > simply a novelty group and the first two albums that they released in the US > were differing only accidentally. I would agree with Scott by saying that > Radioactivity is a timeless classic. But the average consumer may not have had > an equal chance to enjoy KW compared to Pink Floyd or The Beach Boys... it's > possible that HAD the consumer had equal exposure to KW's music and its style, > the consumer wouldn't know the difference and KW's records sales would have > escalated (think of who the DJs were back then and what they thought of as > "groovy"). > > R&B should be credited for bring a lot of KW's sales in America. It seems like > soul music took KW's songs and ideas underneath its wing right around the time > TEE was made. R&B is one of the only sectors I know of in the States where > there are scads of songs out there with Kraftwerk-like expressions. > > > cheerio... > Larry R. LaCost Jr. > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam J Weitzman Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 18 Oct 1996 09:11:47 -0400 I am reminded that on Voodoo Child's _The_End_Of_Everything_ there are a couple of tracks that evoked Kraftwerk in style. I'll have to go back and listen to get the specific names, though. -- Adam J Weitzman --- Individual, Inc. --- weitzman@individual.com -- -- VISIT US AT: http://www.individual.com -- -- Jeff George, Atlanta Falcons QB, on refusing a trade to Seattle: -- -- "Over the past few years I have made some mistakes, and I just -- -- wanted to make sure I made the right one this time." -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 18 Oct 1996 15:34:34 METDST > ELECKTROIDS: something from their "Electroworld" album My opinion about Elecktroids - with no respect for others taste of music - is that they suck. I mean they use old gear in bad way; you can hear from record that they don't even use MIDI, the music is badly produced, the songs are bad and so on. My opinion is that this is a band that isn't very skilled and that they are just riding on the current Kraftwerk-wave. Elecktroids is trying to make some sort of a Kraftwerk clone, but obviously they haven't discovered the subtile art of Kraftwerk. Just look on the cheap record sleeve, how it is intended to look like the Computer World sleeve but end up as pure humiliation. How on earth did these guys think that just because you put on some nuclear protection suits and write Elecktroids with LED-font that you are Kraftwerk. And listen to the music, how bad it is prduced; do you hear the minimalistic well programmed beats that made Kraftwerk. No! You hear some guys who *think* they know how to use synthesizers, but end up in the same garbage that I made on one synthesizer and a drum machine I borrowed from a friend i the the early eighties. Hmm, I hope noone was offended by this statement... /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tod William Myerscough Subject: (kw) PC Date: 17 Oct 1996 18:57:39 -0500 (CDT) Relax folks, alleged "racism" is definitely not the end of the world. Our European friends who are not hip to the narrow-mindedness of the American PC Thought Police should not get discouraged from voicing their opinions and expressing themeselves in the future. Let's forget about what has been said and get back to the topic at hand. I, for one, really enjoy what is said here every day - indignant condemnations by self-righteous Americans notwithstanding. Cheers! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Re: Info on the band 'Komputer' Date: 18 Oct 1996 12:57:28 -0600 (MDT) > I'd strongly recommend anyone interested in KW-influenced bands, Depeche, > etc to get hold of records by I Start Counting, Fortran 5 or Komputer - all > give decent electronic pop for yer money! They have all been released on > Mute Records, although the ISC and perhaps some of Fortran 5 have probably > been deleted (maybe more info on the Mute website?). Almost all of the F5 and ISC catalogues are still in print and are available at reasonable prices from Mute's mail-order arm at: http://www.gold.net/mute/bank/order.htm -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 18 Oct 1996 18:23:18 -0400 In a message dated 96-10-18 09:48:07 EDT, you write: << they are just riding on the current Kraftwerk-wave >> what current kraftwerk-wave? also - great music can be made without MIDI. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Newcleus #2 Date: 18 Oct 1996 23:12:35 EDT Wassup, fellow 'werkers? I finally,after all of these years, got Newclus's 2nd album, "Space Is the Place" (Sunnyview SUN 4903). It's SO damn KW-y! Sadly, though, they tried to hard to recapture the cipher they had with "Jam on It" to no avail. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Newcleus #3 Date: 19 Oct 1996 12:46:45 EDT >>> Was this a CD or LP? <<< It was a used cassette. I payed all of $1 for it--good condition, though. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) More "Boguewerk"? Date: 19 Oct 1996 12:59:43 -0700 (I, ROBOT) More KW-type Stuff for a Compilation? TELEX- Neurovision album- I recommend "Moskow Diskow". It's kinda TOO "Cutesy", but, the spoken Vocals sound a LOT like TDF! (BTW: There IS a song on this Album titled Tour de France which sounds like KW.... -NOT!! But, SOME of the songs ARE quite KWish, and overall, it's a Good Fun Album!) There's a Lot of people that TRY to sound like KW- and there's Plenty of Good Artists in their OWN right-(and they should stick to their own style and quit ripping off KW!)- but, NOBODY can hold a candle to R&F(&K&W)!! Like, WE know what's *REAL*, and it Doesn't GET any More *REAL* than KW!! I'm a stickler for Loyalty, Hee-Hee! Any more "Tribal" News???? I wish they'd tour the States! L.A. is "only" 800 miles south.... *sigh* .... ROBOT http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Holmberg" Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 19 Oct 1996 10:57:47 +0000 > From: ManMachn2@aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:23:18 -0400 > To: kraftwerk@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk > In a message dated 96-10-18 09:48:07 EDT, you write: > > << they are just riding on the current Kraftwerk-wave >> > > what current kraftwerk-wave? > also - great music can be made without MIDI. Yes, it seems Vince Clarke refuse to use MIDI. /Gustav # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Telex Date: 19 Oct 1996 21:17:08 EDT Telex actually has more albums beside "Looney Tunes"? What label are they on? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) TELEX Neurovision Date: 19 Oct 1996 19:04:15 -0700 (I, ROBOT) Hi, TELEX Neurovision, SIRE Records SRK 6090 'Bye! ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Telex #2 Date: 20 Oct 1996 01:57:00 EDT >>> Telex: "Neurovision," Sire/Warner Bros. SRK 6090 <<< Oh, this is CRAZY old (before 1982, at least, due to old style WB number!). Prob'ly not in print, eh? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Re: Telex Box Set Date: 20 Oct 1996 03:04:26 EDT There's a brilliant Telex box set available called "Belgium One Point" (a Belgian import on J'M2 93031 204) It contains all 5 of their original albums: Looking For Saint Tropez (1978) Neurovision (1980) Sex (known in some places as "Birds & Bees") (1981) Wonderful World (1984) Looney Tunes (1986) ...spread across 4 CDs, with loads of bonus b-sides, rare trax, etc. All excellently remastered (by Dan Lacksman himself) and packaged with lyrics, song-by-song info, etc. I've not seen it in any shops here in the UK, but I know you can order it from the following website: http://www.netbeat.com/netbeat_home.html#song Now if only KW would lower themselves to such an exercise... STAGGMAN # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) More TELEX & other Stuff.... Date: 20 Oct 1996 09:45:58 -0700 (really ROBOT) Guten Morgen! There's _5_ TELEX albums???? Damn- I only have Neurovision & Looney Toons. *sniff*. I must abdicate my 'throne' as The Vinyl Queen. -(I most Humbly Bow to you, Sir Mark.)- I forgot to mention the Obvious- "Moskow Diskow" has very 'familiar' Train sounds, and an Amswering Machine blurb at the end of the album. cute. real cute. -(yeah, '79/'80)- Okay, at the risk of incuring wrath for talking about other artists besides KW: -(*GASP*)- Well, I've got some EARLY Giorgio Moroder- Son of my Father from 1972(!), EINZELGANGER 1975 (VERY KWish!), Battlestar Galactica 1979(?), and E=MC2 1980(? disco. eh-h.), with Harold Falt(ermayer!), and ofcourse Donna Summer I FEEL LOVE, and he did Cat People and several other movie sound tracks. How'bout Lothar & the Hand People, with Lothar Manteuffel on THEREMIN?! -(It's buried in my Vinyl Vault at Mom's house. I forget what year.)- I have some really Weird Rare Records- Zero Gravity, etc, by Nic Pascal/Nic Raicevic- ambient meditative stuff. Oh- TANDY and MORGAN! (A LOT like ELO, but, they have their own style, with a good variety of tunes.) Man Parrish- Six Simple Synthesizers! EXCELLENT! -(and The Electric Ecclectics of Dick Hyman, fairly interesting, and LOTsa off the wall stuff.)- 90% of my records were bought CHEAP at Used Vinyl bins & thrift stores. *Yard Sale Alert*! You just gotta keep your optical scanners peeled. Jarre, Tomita, etc. I really gotta catalog my record collection- mostly '70's & '80's era. -(Not to mention my Nimoy albums- hey, don't laugh, he's WAY better than Shatner!)- My husband & I have about 1,500-2,000 albums between us, of ALL genres. A "modest" collection compared to many others, I'm sure. *ahem* Now, what can I say about KRAFTWERK that hasn't already been said? The Elektronik-Erotik Dream-'Droids of Dusseldorf are going to have to come out of their Cryonic Capsules SOMEtime! C'mOn, guys, we NEED more VIBES! So, how the hell can I make it to Oxfordshire in May? We can't even pay the %@$#ing PHONE bill! -(So, if you don't hear from me after the 25th, you'll know why. My irresponsible hubby-dearest let it slide for 6 months and Ma Bell wants $180 all at once! They wont wait til the 1st.)- I guess I can't buy all the AKTIVITAT issues this week after all- GRRR!! nevermind.... ROBOT http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Music collections Date: 20 Oct 1996 20:39:31 EDT >>> My husband & I have about 1,500-2,000 albums between us, of ALL genres. <<< FUCK! I though 966 CDs (my collection as of today) was a lot! I only got about 100-150 vinyl, though; and don't forget all of those cassettes hangin' 'round (never counted those, but they're mostly copies of my CDs--My CDs are in my parents' house). Where do you have room to store your collection? I have the first 365 in a trunk, and the rest are stacked two-high on book shelves. I'm trying to go for some kind of record--I keep my CDs in the order I've bought them in. I've been preserving that order since 1986, when I started collecting CDs. I'm running out of room fast! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) VINYL & CD's Date: 20 Oct 1996 21:36:28 -0700 (ROBOT & GYRO) Yo, Adam!(Open Discussion, ofcourse) Hey, Dude! You got us WAY beat on CD's- we only have about 100. As for Vinyl, we've BOTH been collecting for, like, 20 years. We also have maybe 150 Pre- Recorded Cassettes- plus another 200 recorded off the Radio. -(Dr.Demento RULES!)- Our dinky little house looks like a fucking Radio Station! No JOKE! Records, Elektronix & Junk Everywhere- I don't even have ROOM to build my ROBOTS! -(let alone Money for Parts right now. Sore subject. Poverty SUCKS!)- Anyway, We met 6 years ago. 'been married for 5, and Music is about the only thing we have in common. -(He's not into SCI-FI, and I have to Drag his ass to SquareDancing. He LIKES it, but, he's a wuss, and he's always complaing the building's too stuffy, etc. "Aw, Shuddap 'n' DANCE, Fool!")- We both like ALL kinds of Tunes, especially Classical, but, I'm TOTALLY INTO KRAFTWERK, and he's "so-so" about 'em, and more into Country Western, which I like -IF- it's Bluegrass/Appalachian, and not "Cheatin' & Cryin' in yer Beer" bullshit, y'knowhutimean, Vern? -(I say that a lot, like you say 'knowhutimsayin'- and I say that too a lot, but, I don't wanna come across like I'm 'mocking' you, y'know? I'd never DIS anybody! So, I'll say it like Ernest, "knowhutimean, Vern?" I Really LIKE you, -Straight Up! We can 'chat' private, too, if ya wanna. Then you can say FUCK all you want and not 'offend' nobody, see? Hee-Hee!)- Sorry, I'm getting lost on a tangent here.... 'Anybody ELSE got any MASSIVE MUSIK COLLECTIONS? C'mon, let's hear about it. I know a guy with over 5,000 Albums! JEEZ! -(and I'd like to *BOINK* his STEREO, too! "....Wir.Sind.Die.ROBOTER...." *sigh* AWEsome Sub-Wooferage! *YOWZA*!)- *a-hem* Okay, I gotta knock it off now. I don't wanna piss anybody off. 'just goofin', okay? This should be 'private', but, aw, hell- why make Everybody Else miss all the FUN, eh? We can Joke around, can't we? I really would like to Compare Notes about Records & Stuff. I'm sure somebody Else has something More Intelligent to say that I do! :] I don't mean to mean to be obnoxious. sorry.... 'BOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk Date: 21 Oct 1996 10:11:21 METDST > > In a message dated 96-10-18 09:48:07 EDT, you write: > > << they are just riding on the current Kraftwerk-wave >> > > what current kraftwerk-wave? > also - great music can be made without MIDI. What I meant was that Elecktroids are riding on the current popularity of Kraftwerk sounding groups, and like many other groups they haven't been able to understand the subtile art of Kraftwerk. Many of these groups seems to think that if they don't move on stage, use yellow record sleeves and add some extra hard snare drums they become Kraftwerk. This is very unpleasant because in the end I - as a record buyer - have to deal with this groups. I'm living in Sweden and if I would like to buy a cool sounding record I must ask my record dealer to import the stuff, i e I HAVE to buy it, even if it's crap. Fortunately the album by Elecktroids was already in the store, so I had the chance to listen to it. And this thing about MIDI. Surely you can make good music without MIDI, but in the case of Elecktroids it is obvious that it isn't to make the music more 'funky' - which Vince Clarke claims non-MIDI equipment does - it is by some stupid urge to be cool and be able to say 'We only use analogue equipment!'. For sure, analogue equipment CAN sound cool, but only if you know how to use it. Remember that Vince Clarke has been around since 1980, while Elecktroids seems to be some left over no talent punks, who got a synthesizer for christmas. It is a suitable excersise to compare Elecktroids with Komputer. Komputer HAS discovered the subtile art that made Kraftwerk. I think it is in this lists interest to have a critical viewpoint when new acts show up. My opinion about Elecktroids is still that they have no quality what so ever. /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: (kw) Telex Date: 21 Oct 1996 12:36:36 METDST Marc Moulin, former member of Telex has released a solo album quite recently. There are som samples on the net. Thus, check out http://www.netbeat.com/artists/a5.htm where you also can find a biography and other stuff. Also, I would claim that the things Telex did with samplers in 1984-1986 was quite remarkable, much better than Kraftwerks Electric Cafe for example. I think that EC is quite a poor produced record. The samples are noisy and quite easy to make, not very intelligent ones. Listen to the 'boing boom tschak' samples and compare these to the samples made by Telex' on Looney Tunes, which was released at the same year. (Ok, I have critisized Kraftwerk and thereby I deserve to die. I will take my place in hell with no complaints.) /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) VINYL & CD's Date: 21 Oct 1996 08:38:08 -0400 (EDT) >stuffy, etc. "Aw, Shuddap 'n' DANCE, Fool!")- We both like ALL kinds of >Tunes, especially Classical, but, I'm TOTALLY INTO KRAFTWERK, and he's >"so-so" about 'em, and more into Country Western, which I like -IF- it's >Bluegrass/Appalachian, and not "Cheatin' & Cryin' in yer Beer" bullshit, It can be said that Kraftwerk invented a new genre of "Cyber-Cryin' in yer Electro-Beer"! Just listen to "Computer Love" for a tale of romantic woe and lament! :o) hehe... >Ernest, "knowhutimean, Vern?" I Really LIKE you, -Straight Up! We can >'chat' private, too, if ya wanna. Then you can say FUCK all you want and >not 'offend' nobody, see? Hee-Hee!)- Actually, I'm quite fond of hearing him say it. :o) > 'Anybody ELSE got any MASSIVE MUSIK COLLECTIONS? C'mon, let's hear >about it. I know a guy with over 5,000 Albums! JEEZ! -(and I'd like to >*BOINK* his STEREO, too! "....Wir.Sind.Die.ROBOTER...." *sigh* AWEsome >Sub-Wooferage! *YOWZA*!)- As far as collecting goes, I was always the type that would have been taken in big time by it if I didn't exercise a little self-control. I mean I was into "all-out collecting" as a kid. If I was into a band, I had to have every LP, every single, every picture disc, every bootleg, every live recording, and I had to have them on all 3 formats - record, tape, AND cd!!! Luckily, I gave up this notion of collecing before my KW obsession began. If I hadn't, lord knows I'd have one hell of a challenge awaiting me and be sitting today in financial corruption. KW is not the easiest band in the world to collect! However, while they do have a lot of material out there (official & bootleg) to collect, at least the number of original songs they've recorded makes up for it and makes life a little easier for collectors to deal with. :O) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We're charging our battery..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: (kw) Kraftwelt Date: 21 Oct 1996 15:27:21 METDST I've have the single 'Deranged in space' by Kraftwelt but it contains so many totally different mixes by totally different artists so it is really hard to tell how the real Kraftwelt sounds like. Anyhow, the music on single is more or less ambient stuff, several mixes in fact quite good. But if you're looking for some electro disco a la Kraftwerk, this is not the CD to buy. However, as I said before, this single probably don't give any hint how the real Kraftwelt sounda like. /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Before Techno" Date: 21 Oct 1996 20:02:31 +0000 The new 2-CD-Sampler "Before Techno" (PolyGram 535752-2) contains the single version of Elektric Music's "TV". Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Subject: (kw) UK Repetitive Beats Warning Label Date: 21 Oct 1996 15:04:29 -0400 Hello! Although this question is not directly Kraftwerk related, I am posting it here in hopes that someone from the UK can explain what the following label is all about. Recently, I purchased a UK import CD (Autechre - "Anti" on the Warp Label 1994) which had the following label seal: **************************************** Warning. "Lost" and "Djarum" [Two of the songs] contain repetitive beats. We advise you not to play these tracks if the Criminal Justice Bill becomes law. "Flutter" (another song title) has been programmed in such a way that no bars contain identical beats and can therefore be played at both thirty five and thirty three revolutions under the proposed new law. However we advise DJs to have a lawyer and a musicologist present at all times to confirm th non repetitive nature of the music in the event of police harassment. Important. By breaking this seal, you accept full responsibility for any consequential action resulting from this products use, as playing the music contained within these recordings may be interpreted as opposition to the Criminal Justice and Public Order Bill. ***************************************************************************** Really - I didn't make this up!! Can someone explain to an American what this is all about? Is this for real? Would the repetitive beats of "Abzug" from T.E.E. be considered illegal as well? What about the repetitive segments of "It's More Fun to Compute" and "Home Computer?" Hmmm... Perhaps Ralf and Florian are on the run from the law!!! Maybe that would explain the delay in releasing some new material... ;-) -John # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) UK Repetitive Beats Warning Label Date: 21 Oct 1996 14:14:30 -0600 (MDT) >> Warning. "Lost" and "Djarum" [Two of the songs] contain repetitive >> beats. We advise you not to play these tracks if the Criminal Justice >> Bill becomes law. [.]]] we advise DJs to have a lawyer and a >> musicologist present at all times to confirm th non repetitive nature >> of the music in the event of police harassment. > > Can someone explain to an American what this is all about? Is this for > real? Yeah. The anti-rave provisions of the Criminal Justice Act in the UK outlaw the public playing of music with "repetitive beats" under certain circumstances. I'm sure a search of the web for "Criminal Justice Act" or "Criminal Justice Bill" will lead you to more detailed information. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) Criminal Justice Act Date: 21 Oct 1996 14:16:50 -0600 (MDT) A URL: http://personal.quipu.com/elliot/cja -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry LaCost" Subject: RE: (kw) UK Repetitive Beats Warning Label Date: 22 Oct 1996 01:29:31 UT >>>Warning. "Lost" and "Djarum" [Two of the songs] contain repetitive beats. We advise you not to play these tracks if the Criminal Justice Bill becomes law. "Flutter" (another song title) has been programmed in such a way that no bars contain identical beats and can therefore be played at both thirty five and thirty three revolutions under the proposed new law. However we advise DJs to have a lawyer and a musicologist present at all times to confirm th non repetitive nature of the music in the event of police harassment.>>> You've got to be kidding. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) Repetitive Beats?? Date: 22 Oct 1996 12:38:37 -0700 -(I, ROBOT)- ** There seems to be an Echo in here.... Alright, Whats this crap about 'Outlawing' any Musik with a 'Repetitive Beat'?? Define 'Repetitive'. =*BOOM-bitty-BOOM-bitty-BOOM*= That would effectively 'eliminate' not only KRAFTWERK, but, 90% of practically ALL Musik, including Rock and Classical, etc. I'm sure as hell not gonna quit listening to KW or BACH or whatever the hell I feel like listening to at any given time, especially in the privacy of my own home! Let 'em TRY and arrest me! I can see having reasonable Regulations about 'Gatherings', -(so WHAT if I invite 50 friends over?)- and Noise Levels, etc, but, 'RHYTHMS'?? How can you 'Outlaw' a Style of RHYTHM?? I can't beLIEVe this nonsense! What's next? I won't be 'allowed' to watch STAR TREK anymore?? Get REAL! So much for a "FREE" Country. Am I the only one who's Pissed Off about this?? Cuh-RIMiny ChrISTmas! *FREEDOM*! 'BOT http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: (kw) Dr Dre??? Date: 22 Oct 1996 17:26:07 -0700 I was just watching tv right now, and I saw this new Dr Dre video. i was about to change the channel, but it was kind of funny. I don't really like Hip Hop or rap or whatever you call it, but anyway, I was watching, and to my amazement : they sampled kraftwerk. Right from TEE!! The intro and a part of the middle (it's slowed down though). I have mixed feelings. What do you think? The song was called "Been There, Done That" or something like that. K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk Pics. Date: 22 Oct 1996 22:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Hello Folks, Hiya. Since I got a couple of graphic viewers over here, I've become quite interested in collecting various Kraftwerk picture files (.jpg, .bmp, .gif, etc.). My thanks to Klaus for having already helped me out some. So, if anyone out there has any KW pics (album covers, band photos, live tour shots, promotion, memorabilia, etc.) that they'd like to trade for either other pics or sound files or something (or out of the goodness of their hearts), please email me privately and we'll "do business". hehe.. The best part is the price. :o) Hope to hear from you. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I program my home computer..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Dr. Dre & music in general Date: 23 Oct 1996 03:48:16 EDT >>> I was just watching tv right now, and I saw this new Dr Dre video. i was about to change the channel, but it was kind of funny. I don't really like Hip Hop or rap or whatever you call it, but anyway, I was watching, and to my amazement, they sampled Kraftwerk. Right from TEE!! The intro and a part of the middle (it's slowed down though). I have mixed feelings. What do you think? The song was called "Been There, Done That" or something like that. <<< Haven't heard it. Besides, East Coast rocks the best! Diamond D. and DJ Premier have the best beats. Anyone heard Jeru the Damaja's new album, "Wrath of the Math" yet? There's this track, "Physical Stamina," which reunites Jeru with Afu Ra, that samples some electro-acoustic-RCA-Mark-II-Buchla-synth type shit thats so ill! I HATE it when people front and say "hip-hop is not music." We can do without that kind of ignorance, knowhutimsayin'? Besides, music doesn't need a melody to be music. John Cage, the late, legendary composer, said that the essence of music is RHYTHM. >>> ...like ALL kinds of Tunes, especially Classical, but, I'm TOTALLY INTO KRAFTWERK, and he's "so-so" about 'em, and more into Country Western, which I like -IF- it's Bluegrass/Appalachian, and not "Cheatin' & Cryin' in yer Beer" bullshit, y'knowhutimean, Vern? <<< Word. I like everything except old classical, country & western, and rock. If it's weird and electronic, I'd probably dig that shit, knowhutimsayin'? The four sacred types of music are hip-hop, house, dancehall reggae, and ambient. Also, I really dig that avant-garde electro-acoustic music (good classical shit, like Morton Subotnick, Ussachevsky, and Stanley Polansky), and musique concrete and other related joints. And KW is the best band ever. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Dr. Dre & music in general Date: 23 Oct 1996 11:08:19 METDST > > >>> I was just watching tv right now, and I saw this new Dr Dre video. > i > was about to change the channel, but it was kind of funny. I don't > really like Hip Hop or rap or whatever you call it, but anyway, I was > watching, and to my amazement, they sampled Kraftwerk. Right from > TEE!! The intro and a part of the middle (it's slowed down though). I > have mixed feelings. What do you think? The song was called "Been > There, Done That" or something like that. <<< > > Haven't heard it. Besides, East Coast rocks the best! Diamond D. and DJ > Premier have the best beats. Anyone heard Jeru the Damaja's new album, > "Wrath of the Math" yet? There's this track, "Physical Stamina," which > reunites Jeru with Afu Ra, that samples some > electro-acoustic-RCA-Mark-II-Buchla-synth type shit thats so ill! I HATE > it when people front and say "hip-hop is not music." We can do without > that kind of ignorance, knowhutimsayin'? Besides, music doesn't need a > melody to be music. John Cage, the late, legendary composer, said that > the essence of music is RHYTHM. > > >>> ...like ALL kinds of Tunes, especially Classical, but, I'm TOTALLY > INTO KRAFTWERK, and he's "so-so" about 'em, and more into Country > Western, which I like -IF- it's Bluegrass/Appalachian, and not "Cheatin' > & Cryin' in yer Beer" bullshit, > y'knowhutimean, Vern? <<< > > Word. I like everything except old classical, country & western, and > rock. If it's weird and electronic, I'd probably dig that shit, > knowhutimsayin'? The four sacred types of music are hip-hop, house, > dancehall reggae, and ambient. Also, I really dig that avant-garde > electro-acoustic music (good classical shit, like Morton Subotnick, > Ussachevsky, and Stanley Polansky), and musique concrete and other > related joints. And KW is the best band ever. Peace. > Somehow I think the discussions on this list has passed some undefined limit. I mean the discussion have turned out to be more about...um... I don't really know in fact. Could we restrict ourselves to Kraftwerk and leave the others to other lists? Please? /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Subject: Re: (kw) Dr. Dre & music in general Date: 23 Oct 1996 11:39:31 +0200 > Somehow I think the discussions on this list has passed some undefined limit. No, no.. no, no, NO no.. no, NO, no, NO... No, no, there's no limit! Ok, sorry, just kidding :) But seriousely, do we need some limits here? It's obvious when someone really outerpasses limits, otherwise let people chat! please... Tim -- :: Timour JGENTI Institut Francais du Petrole :. :: timour.jgenti@ifp.fr DIMA, groupe Image ..:::. :: http://www.utbm.fr/les.personnes/lu.chen/tim/ ....:::::. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Pics. Date: 23 Oct 1996 18:18:46 +0000 > From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > > So, if anyone out there has any KW pics (album covers, band photos, > live tour shots, promotion, memorabilia, etc.) that they'd like to trade for > either other pics or sound files or something (or out of the goodness of > their hearts), please email me privately and we'll "do business". I would also be interested in swapping Kraftwerk picture- and audio-files, as well as I would like to swap "real" Kraftwerk items like photocopied press articles, live tapes, interviews, photos etc. etc. etc. I've a huge collection of Kraftwerk material (files as well as "real" stuff) I could offer in return. If anyone is interested in doing some swaps, please e-mail me privately. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Wolfgang Fluer News Date: 23 Oct 1996 20:15:54 +0000 Falco and Wolfgang Fluer, who was talking about his forthcoming Yamo release, were surprise guests at the EMI autumn conference in Cologne last month, according to Der Musikmarkt 40/1996, p. 72. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Time-Pie" Date: 23 Oct 1996 20:16:50 +0000 It seems as if the release of the Yamo CD is delayed, but is has already got a catalogue number: Yamo: Time-Pie, EMI 8 54173 2-564 Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Lyrics to "Home Computer" Date: 23 Oct 1996 14:32:59 -0400 (EDT) What's the actual lyric to the second line of "Home Computer"? I've seen it written two different ways here on the mailing list and I don't have the German language version to double check. Is it: "Beam myself into the future" or "Feel myself into the future" I've always been under the impression that it's "beam", but please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "...and at the fall of night..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Lyrics to "Minicalcolatore" Date: 23 Oct 1996 20:50:43 +0000 While we're discussing lyrics: Could one of the Italian list members please post a transcription of the lyrics for "Minicalcolatore" (Italian language version of "Pocket Calculator")? I think that all the other Kraftwerk lyrics are available via the Internet, except this one... Another question: In the playback version (as performed during Italian TV shows in 1981) it is "Minicalcolatore", while Ralf Huetter used to sing "Piccolocalcolatore" during the Italian concerts (which doesn't harmonize very good with the melody, IMHO). Is there a certain reason for the altered live version? Thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) "Limits on discussions" Date: 23 Oct 1996 14:00:58 -0700 -(I am NOT Gyro Gearloose/John Bond....)- really from ROBOT (quoting Andreas Elin)- It's kinda hard to talk about KRAFTWERK without mentioning their influences -(Cage, Stockhausen, Pink Floyd, Beach Boys, and all the great German Classical Composers -"the 3B's"- & Folk, etc. They grew up with all that stuff- and so did I!)- or "comparing" other Artists who are influenced by KW- and there's LOTS of 'em! -(Oh, and who can forget T. Dream, & Can, etc. also came out in the same early '70's era. Sure, they're more "Space/Prog Rock" than TECHNO- but, R&F did that kinda stuff too in the Beginning.)- Granted, I don't like it when people Sample KW. -(Dr. Dre??)- That's a rip-off. But, it's inevitable that so many other SYNTH bands would attempt to Imitate their style. We all know that KW _STARTED_ the whole TECHNO thing, and they'll ALWAYS be #1! Mere Words cannot convey how FANTASTIK they are -and NOboDy _*WORSHIPS*_*LOVES*_ and _*ADORES*_ =KRAFTWERK= more than I do- but, as OBSESSED as I am, even I listen to other music on occasion. I have to pull my Brain out of the Stereo and come down to planet Earth every ONCE in a while. :] Okay, fine, let's Talk about KW. What does their Musik mean to You, and how did You Discover them? I think I explained my "story" in my 1st "post", about growing up here in Eureka, CA, and singing in church- Mom was the pianist- & school choirs, etc; but, I forgot to mention I was DEAF half the time -(bad ear infections)- so, I had to lean against the piano to get my pitch. Bone conduction. I cuddled with the Radio at night so the VIBES lulled me to sleep. Surgery restored most of my hearing at age 13 -('71, left Mastoidectomy)- but, I Still LOVE to FEEL the MUSIK. I got into SYNTHS in '69 or '70, and I liked "experimental" stuff, -(and ALL music in general)- but, when I finally got out of these woods and discovered KW, thanks to my friends in L.A, it totally Blew me Away! I'd NEVER experienced such Incredible VIBES ever in my LIFE, and Nothing Else ever since has even come CLOSE! Only KRAFTWERK can DO IT to me! It's so DEEP- I literally BECOME the MUSIK- Mind/Body/Soul, my very 'BEING'- resonating in perfect synch.... KW 'Fulfills' me beyond 'Completeness', beyond 'Ecstacy'.... I can't begin to describe it. All I know is that I *NEED* it, and only KW can GIVE -(& RECEIVE) it! There. Does THAT fit within "limits"? How do the REST of You feel about KW? I may be NEW on this Mail List, but, I'm an OLD fan, -(Jeez- I'm 39!*GASP*!)- I really Love all this "Chat" about KW, and I don't mind learning a little bit about similar Artists- I'm Curious to hear some tunes by Front 242, Komputer, S.P.O.C.K, etc. There's a LOT of GOOD KW INFO -and 'related' Artists & Stuff- on this Mail List that I for one can't find anywhere else! -(In fact, I heard about some of these other Artists' websites through this List, so, we can go there for Major Details, but, it doesn't hurt to briefly mention 'em here.)- I'm especially looking for cassettes copies of any _*LIVE*_ KW 'Boots'!! If anybody wants to swap tapes & stuff, please Email me. I'm STILL looking for my old magazines -stored at Mom's house- with KW articles & a couple of RARE fotos. Keep yer Scanners warm! ...."We can WERK it out...." *VIBES* 'BOT http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) "Limits on discussions" Date: 23 Oct 1996 23:57:43 +0100 'Tag! On 23-Okt-96 A.D., John S. Bond carved the following runes about "(kw) "L= imits on discussions"": [excessive snipping...] >mind learning a little bit about similar Artists- I'm Curious to hear >some tunes by Front 242, Komputer, S.P.O.C.K, etc. There's a LOT of GOOD= [...ditto] Perhaps another OT query... Just how famous ARE our Swedish celebrities o= f madness and space-pop (S.P.O.C.K) out there? I used to believe they wer= e pretty "internal"... Live long and so on, -- = // \\ //____________________________________________= ___ E M A N U E L M A I R \X/ |mair@medstud.gu.se = | |-There are more old winos in this world than |mair@clavicula.mednet.gu= =2Ese| | there are old doctors... |mail me for s-mail addre= ss.| |_______________________________________________| +46-(0)70-781-90= -14| |SYSTEM ALERT #0.998 System Error:"Intel Inside"| = | |SYSTEM ALERT #2 Virus Detected: "Windows 95" |http://medstud.gu.se/~ma= ir/| |_____________________________________________.sign under construction...= ___|= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) PS Date: 23 Oct 1996 19:45:50 EDT Oh! Also forgot to mention; I've got quite a few self-produced BMP files for Windows which I use as wallpaper on my PC; familiar KW motifs given a new twist; eg Man Machine, Computer World, Dentaku, Neon Lights, Radio-Activity. Even Elektric Music's 'TV' testcard. Maybe Klaus has already copied them for you, if not let me know if it sounds appealing. 'bye, Ian. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics to "Minicalcolatore" Date: 24 Oct 1996 06:22:42 +0100 >Italian TV shows in 1981) it is "Minicalcolatore", while Ralf Huetter >used to sing "Piccolocalcolatore" during the Italian concerts (which >doesn't harmonize very good with the melody, IMHO). Is there a >certain reason for the altered live version? I can not figure out what reason it could be, apart from a too literal translation and/or the will to use only italian words: we will never say piccolo calcolatore, minicalcolatore is a little unusual. we actually call the pocket calculator "calcolatrice", that is the feminine conjugation of "calcolatore". With "calcolatore" we used to intend, in the '60s-'70s, a mainframe computer, so "minicalcolatore" could well have meant a minicomputer like the RS/6000, just to make a name. then again "minicalcolatore" sound better and after all is perfectly clear what they refer to. even "piccolo calcolatore" could sound well, but it has to be pronounced very fast to be in tune. there is absolutely no hope, instead, to find a decent cadence for "calcolatrice" or any compounded word with that. the full italian text is coming, just let me rehearsal it... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Damn! Date: 24 Oct 1996 01:50:14 EDT >>> Somehow I think the discussions on this list has passed some undefined limit. I mean the discussion have turned out to be more about...um... I don't really know in fact. Could we restrict ourselves to Kraftwerk and leave the others to other lists? Please? <<< Chill out, kid. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) "Limits on discussions" Date: 24 Oct 1996 9:42:27 METDST > > -(I am NOT Gyro Gearloose/John Bond....)- > really from ROBOT > > (quoting Andreas Elin)- > > "Well, exCUUUSE ME!" > It's kinda hard to talk about KRAFTWERK without mentioning their > influences -(Cage, Stockhausen, Pink Floyd, Beach Boys, and all the > great German Classical Composers -"the 3B's"- & Folk, etc. They grew up > with all that stuff- and so did I!)- or "comparing" other Artists who > are influenced by KW- and there's LOTS of 'em! -(Oh, and who can forget > T. Dream, & Can, etc. also came out in the same early '70's era. Sure, > they're more "Space/Prog Rock" than TECHNO- but, R&F did that kinda > stuff too in the Beginning.)- Granted, I don't like it when people > Sample KW. -(Dr. Dre??)- That's a rip-off. But, it's inevitable that so > many other SYNTH bands would attempt to Imitate their style. > We all know that KW _STARTED_ the whole TECHNO thing, and they'll > ALWAYS be #1! Mere Words cannot convey how FANTASTIK they are -and > NOboDy _*WORSHIPS*_*LOVES*_ and _*ADORES*_ =KRAFTWERK= more than I do- > but, as OBSESSED as I am, even I listen to other music on occasion. I > have to pull my Brain out of the Stereo and come down to planet Earth > every ONCE in a while. :] > Okay, fine, let's Talk about KW. What does their Musik mean to You, > and how did You Discover them? I think I explained my "story" in my 1st > "post", about growing up here in Eureka, CA, and singing in church- Mom > was the pianist- & school choirs, etc; but, I forgot to mention I was > DEAF half the time -(bad ear infections)- so, I had to lean against the > piano to get my pitch. Bone conduction. I cuddled with the Radio at > night so the VIBES lulled me to sleep. Surgery restored most of my > hearing at age 13 -('71, left Mastoidectomy)- but, I Still LOVE to FEEL > the MUSIK. I got into SYNTHS in '69 or '70, and I liked "experimental" > stuff, -(and ALL music in general)- but, when I finally got out of these > woods and discovered KW, thanks to my friends in L.A, it totally Blew me > Away! I'd NEVER experienced such Incredible VIBES ever in my LIFE, and > Nothing Else ever since has even come CLOSE! Only KRAFTWERK can DO IT to > me! It's so DEEP- I literally BECOME the MUSIK- Mind/Body/Soul, my very > 'BEING'- resonating in perfect synch.... KW 'Fulfills' me beyond > 'Completeness', beyond 'Ecstacy'.... I can't begin to describe it. All I > know is that I *NEED* it, and only KW can GIVE -(& RECEIVE) it! > There. Does THAT fit within "limits"? How do the REST of You feel > about KW? I may be NEW on this Mail List, but, I'm an OLD fan, -(Jeez- > I'm 39!*GASP*!)- I really Love all this "Chat" about KW, and I don't > mind learning a little bit about similar Artists- I'm Curious to hear > some tunes by Front 242, Komputer, S.P.O.C.K, etc. There's a LOT of GOOD > KW INFO -and 'related' Artists & Stuff- on this Mail List that I for one > can't find anywhere else! -(In fact, I heard about some of these other > Artists' websites through this List, so, we can go there for Major > Details, but, it doesn't hurt to briefly mention 'em here.)- I'm > especially looking for cassettes copies of any _*LIVE*_ KW 'Boots'!! If > anybody wants to swap tapes & stuff, please Email me. I'm STILL looking > for my old magazines -stored at Mom's house- with KW articles & a couple > of RARE fotos. Keep yer Scanners warm! ...."We can WERK it out...." > *VIBES* > 'BOT > http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT > Ok, so you're pissed now? If you had read the letter quoted in my 'article' to the list you probably would have understand what I meant. Discussing if one of the list members friends likes Kraftwerk or not is not relevant to me. But ok, maybe my statement was a little bit to hard. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk Pics. Date: 24 Oct 1996 9:49:10 METDST > I would also be interested in swapping Kraftwerk picture- and > audio-files, as well as I would like to swap "real" Kraftwerk items > like photocopied press articles, live tapes, interviews, photos > etc. etc. etc. > I've a huge collection of Kraftwerk material (files as well as "real" > stuff) I could offer in return. > If anyone is interested in doing some swaps, please e-mail me > privately. > Well, I don't have very much stuff, but I would be very interested in reading the newspaper articles. I know it's hard and tedious work to scan the articles, but couldn't someone net them. /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) videos Date: 24 Oct 1996 11:08:44 -0400 Are there any videos out there that I could order or whatever? I am dying to see Kraftwerk in action. My previous video-buying attempt on the list is beginning to feel like a fraud. Thanks. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) Subject: RE: (kw) PS Date: 24 Oct 1996 09:20:43 -0200 Dear Ian; >Oh! Also forgot to mention; I've got quite a few >self-produced BMP files for Windows which I >use as wallpaper on my PC; familiar KW motifs >given a new twist; eg Man Machine, Computer >World, Dentaku, Neon Lights, Radio-Activity. >Even Elektric Music's 'TV' testcard. Maybe Klaus >has already copied them for you, if not let me know >if it sounds appealing. Can you send that BMP files by mail? I'll like to receive it!!! Thanks a lot!! Bye!! =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Freeman Lon C Subject: (kw) ComputerWorld+3 Date: 23 Oct 1996 14:44:30 -0400 Anybody seen the ComputerWorld+3 reissue from Japan yet? It was supposed to be out late September. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) BMP files Date: 24 Oct 1996 09:30:10 -0600 (MDT) >> Oh! Also forgot to mention; I've got quite a few self-produced BMP >> files for Windows which I use as wallpaper on my PC; familiar KW >> motifs given a new twist; eg Man Machine, Computer World, Dentaku, Neon >> Lights, Radio-Activity. > > Can you send that BMP files by mail? I'll like to receive it!!! Just a reminder -- please don't send binary files to the list itself! -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Freeman Lon C Subject: (kw) ComputerWorld+3 Date: 23 Oct 1996 14:44:30 -0400 Anybody seen the ComputerWorld+3 reissue from Japan yet? It was supposed to be out late September. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Adam L Read Subject: RE: (kw) videos Date: 25 Oct 1996 02:59:24 +-1000 Dear MM2 >Are there any videos out there that I could order or whatever? I am = dying to >see Kraftwerk in action. My previous video-buying attempt on the list = is >beginning to feel like a fraud. Thanks. Well.... damn it!.... there ARE Kraftwerk videos (Sheffield 1981?) out = there. and, I think a lot more..... The whole 'collector' thing is so annoying in this age of free = information..... ('if you love something, it will come back to you in = the post'). I have an interview with R.Hutter from Sydney 1981, 'Techno Pop' LP = demo's and a wonderful live Benelux 1981 live tape, if you want this, = E'male, private?.=20 I am close to finding the video master tape of the Kraftwerk live = performance from 1981, of which, a few seconds was seen on Australian TV = 12 months ago. We have seen the 'Pocket Calculator' piece ...(they play the plastic = keys like Hooky from New Order, hips grind +)=20 Send me your address...etc......and I am sure you could send me = something in return. P.S. Anyone heard stories from Carlos Peron.......?........ Adam L Read Sydney # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) "Limits" Date: 24 Oct 1996 10:40:16 -0700 -(ROBOT)- -To Andreas & Everybody- I'm sorry- I didn't mean to sound "pissed". That "exCUUUSE ME" thing was a tip of the hat to Steve Martin. -(Well, it IS funny when HE says it!)- Let's not misunderstand each other. We're ALL fans of the FINEST MUSIKMEISTERS in the UNIVERSE, who are not nearly as well-known as they Deserve to be, so, I hope we can ALL be FRIENDS and help keep each other Informed & Have a Little FUN, too! As for "limits", yeah, the Guidelines are printed out in the Welcome/Info message. It's about KW and 'related' artists- No Graffix, NO SPAMMING, etc. No argument here. Oh, and we're supposed to avoid Long Quotes of Entire Letters previously posted. A line or 2 is sufficient. -(I'm guilty of writing LONG letters, so, PLEASE don't QUOTE my ENTIRE 'Novels', okay? It's bad enough for people having to read 'em the First time! ;] sorry.)- I'll close now, before I go off on yet another Tangent.... Peace, Love & VIBES! 'BOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: Re: (kw) Dr. Dre & music in general Date: 24 Oct 1996 17:09:52 -0700 Andreas Elin wrote: > > > > > >>> I was just watching tv right now, and I saw this new Dr Dre video. > > i > > was about to change the channel, but it was kind of funny. I don't > > really like Hip Hop or rap or whatever you call it, but anyway, I was > > watching, and to my amazement, they sampled Kraftwerk. Right from > > TEE!! The intro and a part of the middle (it's slowed down though). I > > have mixed feelings. What do you think? The song was called "Been > > There, Done That" or something like that. <<< > > > > Haven't heard it. Besides, East Coast rocks the best! Diamond D. and DJ > > Premier have the best beats. Anyone heard Jeru the Damaja's new album, > > "Wrath of the Math" yet? There's this track, "Physical Stamina," which > > reunites Jeru with Afu Ra, that samples some > > electro-acoustic-RCA-Mark-II-Buchla-synth type shit thats so ill! I HATE > > it when people front and say "hip-hop is not music." We can do without > > that kind of ignorance, knowhutimsayin'? Besides, music doesn't need a > > melody to be music. John Cage, the late, legendary composer, said that > > the essence of music is RHYTHM. > > > > >>> ...like ALL kinds of Tunes, especially Classical, but, I'm TOTALLY > > INTO KRAFTWERK, and he's "so-so" about 'em, and more into Country > > Western, which I like -IF- it's Bluegrass/Appalachian, and not "Cheatin' > > & Cryin' in yer Beer" bullshit, > > y'knowhutimean, Vern? <<< > > > > Word. I like everything except old classical, country & western, and > > rock. If it's weird and electronic, I'd probably dig that shit, > > knowhutimsayin'? The four sacred types of music are hip-hop, house, > > dancehall reggae, and ambient. Also, I really dig that avant-garde > > electro-acoustic music (good classical shit, like Morton Subotnick, > > Ussachevsky, and Stanley Polansky), and musique concrete and other > > related joints. And KW is the best band ever. Peace. > > > > Somehow I think the discussions on this list has passed some undefined limit. > I mean the discussion have turned out to be more about...um... I don't really > know in fact. Could we restrict ourselves to Kraftwerk and leave the others > to other lists? Please? > > /Andreas Elin > I was letting people know that Dr Dre sampled Kraftwerk. I'd say that is WAY within limits. I can't even count the number of times people have talked about other bands sampling KW. K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Stratovarius. Date: 24 Oct 1996 21:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Fellow Kraftwerkians, I'd been under the impression for a long time that "Ananas Symphonie" was the first Kraftwerk song to feature any spoken words (in that case referring to the robotic voices which harmonize the words "ananas symphonie" at the beginning of the song). However, while listening to Kraftwerk's first album tonight, I heard something that I never heard before. On the track "Stratovarius" between 4:06 and 4:09 into the song, a male voice can be heard muttering something (in German, I believe) underneath the other sounds. To my ear it sounds like the same voice that speaks at the beginning of 'Radio Stars' who I presume to be Ralf. Does anyone else know about this and better yet, does anyone know what the voice says? -- Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Ohm...Sweet Ohm..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) Stratovarius. Date: 24 Oct 1996 23:47:11 -0400 I noticed these voices the first time I heard it - kinda background speaking. But - I always thought that the sequence in Radio Stars was Florian, then Ralf - despite what Bussy's book says. The first spoken line sounds a lot like Florian's voice in Radioland to me - kinda somber - and Ralf's is a bit more nasal. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Huh? Date: 24 Oct 1996 23:24:56 EDT OK, people here use this acronym, and I still have no idea what you're talkin' 'bout. So, what the hell is "IMHO"? Are you all hos or something? (just joking)Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: [Fwd: Re: (kw) Huh?] Date: 24 Oct 1996 22:20:56 -0700 Message-ID: <32704C8B.3DD2@razorlogic.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) References: <19961024.085545.4511.1.MuzikNut2@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Schefflan wrote: > > OK, people here use this acronym, and I still have no idea what you're > talkin' 'bout. So, what the hell is "IMHO"? Are you all hos or something? > (just joking)Peace. > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. IMHO=In My Humble Opinion KRTU= KRAFTWERK RULES THE UNIVERSE!!!! IYKWIM= If You Know What I Mean BTW= By The Way KUTGW= Keep Up The Good WERK! TMFI= Too Many Fucking Initials! CUL8r! :] ROBOSMILEY # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Dr. Dre & music in general Date: 25 Oct 1996 8:55:02 METDST > > > Haven't heard it. Besides, East Coast rocks the best! Diamond D. and DJ > > > Premier have the best beats. Anyone heard Jeru the Damaja's new album, > > > "Wrath of the Math" yet? There's this track, "Physical Stamina," which > > > reunites Jeru with Afu Ra, that samples some > > > electro-acoustic-RCA-Mark-II-Buchla-synth type shit thats so ill! I HATE > > > it when people front and say "hip-hop is not music." We can do without > > > that kind of ignorance, knowhutimsayin'? Besides, music doesn't need a > > > melody to be music. John Cage, the late, legendary composer, said that > > > the essence of music is RHYTHM. > > > > > > >>> ...like ALL kinds of Tunes, especially Classical, but, I'm TOTALLY > > > INTO KRAFTWERK, and he's "so-so" about 'em, and more into Country > > > Western, which I like -IF- it's Bluegrass/Appalachian, and not "Cheatin' > > > & Cryin' in yer Beer" bullshit, > > > y'knowhutimean, Vern? <<< > > > > > > Word. I like everything except old classical, country & western, and > > > rock. If it's weird and electronic, I'd probably dig that shit, > > > knowhutimsayin'? The four sacred types of music are hip-hop, house, > > > dancehall reggae, and ambient. Also, I really dig that avant-garde > > > electro-acoustic music (good classical shit, like Morton Subotnick, > > > Ussachevsky, and Stanley Polansky), and musique concrete and other > > > related joints. And KW is the best band ever. Peace. > I was letting people know that Dr Dre sampled Kraftwerk. I'd say > that is WAY within limits. I can't even count the number of times > people have talked about other bands sampling KW. > Sure you did, and THAT is interesting. But what connection does Jeru the Damaja have to Kraftwerk? Is it relevant to you if this friend likes Kraftwerk or Country & Western? Should we really discuss what types of music that are sacred here? I'm sorry, but I must stress that the discussions in this list are about Kraftwerk, not about hip-hop, house, dancehall reggae, ambient, country & western, bluegrass or whatever UNLESS it's related to Kraftwerk somehow. If this list allow that kind of discussions we will end up discussing Chinas contribution to the peach market, if you know what I mean. /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Livia" Subject: Re: (kw) Stratovarius. Date: 25 Oct 1996 01:49:55 -0700 ManMchn2 wrote: > I noticed these voices the first time I heard it - kinda background speaking. > But - I always thought that the sequence in Radio Stars was Florian, then > Ralf - despite what Bussy's book says. The first spoken line sounds a lot > like Florian's voice in Radioland to me - kinda somber - and Ralf's is a bit > more nasal. time to show my ignorance again :) i've always assumed that ralf is the first voice in radioland, and florian the second, since the first voice sounds the same as the singer on most of the other songs. is this correct? (i always get an image of the second voice as a much older man, sixty or more, like some kind of thomas mann character giving the first voice lessons in life) and who does the little-alien-robot-boys voices? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeroen Geerts Subject: (kw) Brand New Album by KW Date: 25 Oct 1996 13:14:50 +0100 ** High Priority ** Cdconnection lists a 'Brand new Album" shortcut sounds like ABT for $50. Does anybody know what this is ? Or did I mis the discussion about this album. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ At Work : jjg.geerts@wa.dhv.nl Private : jjgeerts@worldaccess.nl ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: (kw) Ralf Hutter and Thriller Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:15:41 METDST I just bought a swedish newspaper and it has this big article about synthmusic. It claims that Ralf Hutter of Kraftwerk was offered to produce Michael Jacksons 'Thriller' but he choose not to do it. Is this true? /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Ralf Hutter and Thriller -Svar Date: 25 Oct 1996 15:09:44 METDST > > What's the name of the newspaper ? > > /Joacim, Stockholm > It's Expressen. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "K.C." Subject: Re: (kw) "Limits" Date: 24 Oct 1996 17:23:15 -0700 I've just been wondering. What other bands are you guys into? (besides, well you know). I've been hearing some people talk about hip hop stuff. Me? I'm into A LOT of stuff. Let's see...you've probably never heard of some of these.... Unwound, Can, Chokebore, Tangerine Dream, Faust, Orbital, Inca Eyeball, Pink Floyd (not all of it), Slint, Trans Am (great analog synth/rock band), Tortoise, Stereolab,.....etc. Anyway, tell me some of the bands you people are into........ K.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Kraftwerk vs. MACup Date: 25 Oct 1996 17:54:45 +0000 Kraftwerk have sued the MACup publishing company because of the continuing use of the Internet domainnames "kraftwerk.de" and "kraftwerk.com", while "Kraftwerk" is a registered trademark by Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider. Last Wednesday a judicial hearing took place at the Landesgericht Hamburg (civil court). The affair is expected to end with an agreement. It was suggested that Huetter and Schneider don't ask for compensation, while MACup stops the use of the domainnames "kraftwerk.de" and "kraftwerk.com" within the next month. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk vs. MACup Date: 25 Oct 1996 19:00:30 +0100 On 25-Okt-96 A.D., Klaus Zaepke carved the following runes about "(kw) Kr= aftwerk vs. MACup": >Kraftwerk have sued the MACup publishing company because of the = >continuing use of the Internet domainnames "kraftwerk.de" and = >"kraftwerk.com", while "Kraftwerk" is a registered trademark by Ralf = >Huetter and Florian Schneider. = >Last Wednesday a judicial hearing took place at the Landesgericht = >Hamburg (civil court). = >The affair is expected to end with an agreement. It was suggested = >that Huetter and Schneider don't ask for compensation, while = >MACup stops the use of the domainnames "kraftwerk.de" and = >"kraftwerk.com" within the next month. Hope KW sues MACup's butt off! Their "crime" is even worse than naming a = domain "god.com" or "gott.de" as That Guy hasn't got a copyright! (BTW, w= hy don't KW get THAT name copyrighted? It's ... suitable! ;) Gerade aus! =A9Mair -- = // \\ //____________________________________________= ___ E M A N U E L M A I R \X/ |mair@medstud.gu.se = | |-There are more old winos in this world than |mair@clavicula.mednet.gu= =2Ese| | there are old doctors... |mail me for s-mail addre= ss.| |_______________________________________________| +46-(0)70-781-90= -14| |SYSTEM ALERT #0.998 System Error:"Intel Inside"| = | |SYSTEM ALERT #2 Virus Detected: "Windows 95" |http://medstud.gu.se/~ma= ir/| |_____________________________________________.sign under construction...= ___|= # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br (Carlos Jose Quinteiro) Subject: RE: (kw) Stratovarius. Date: 25 Oct 1996 15:11:24 -0200 Dear Scott; >I'd been under the impression for a long time that "Ananas >Symphonie" was the first Kraftwerk song to feature any spoken words (in that >case referring to the robotic voices which harmonize the words "ananas >symphonie" at the beginning of the song). However, while listening to >Kraftwerk's first album tonight, I heard something that I never heard >before. On the track "Stratovarius" between 4:06 and 4:09 into the song, a >male voice can be heard muttering something (in German, I believe) >underneath the other sounds. To my ear it sounds like the same voice that >speaks at the beginning of 'Radio Stars' who I presume to be Ralf. Does >anyone else know about this and better yet, does anyone know what the voice >says? It's true!! That's a great discovery, cause even the Bussy's book (page 47 of the English version) cites "Ananas Symphonie" as the first KW song with a human voice!! Congratulations!!! Listening to "Stratovarius" I perceived the voice in two points: between 4:07 and 4:09 and between 4:16 and 4:19, but I can't say if is Ralf or Florian, it seems like some kind of processed voice. =8-) Carlos Jose Quinteiro (-8= carlos@eaesp.fgvsp.br EAESP/FGV Brasil # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) ComputerWorld+3 Date: 26 Oct 1996 02:29:46 +0900 Hello from Tokyo Japan, >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:44:30 -0400 >From: Freeman Lon C >Anybody seen the ComputerWorld+3 reissue from Japan yet? It was supposed to >be out late September. I asked a shop in Tokyo about this CD. The store said that the manufacturer, Toshiba EMI, decided its delay. No fixed date for the release given yet. :-( I also wrote an E-mail directly to Toshiba EMI (somewhere in toshiba-emi.co.jp) a week before, to ask if/when it'll be out. No reply yet. :-((( Regards, Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubunji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Conny_Fornb=E4ck?= Subject: SV: (kw) Ralf Hutter and Thriller Date: 25 Oct 1996 19:39:21 +-100 I just bought a swedish newspaper and it has this big article about = synthmusic. It claims that Ralf Hutter of Kraftwerk was offered to produce Michael Jacksons 'Thriller' but he choose not to do it. Is this true? /Andreas Elin I read the article too. I think that the journalist only mixes up the = facts. Bussy writes about Jackson asking to use a part of Man Machine on = a track for an album his or Janet Jackson's. H=FCtter and Schneider = actually says no. Later H=FCtter meets Jackson in New York, but only for = a polite visit, hardly for any collaboration (p. 138-139). I think this = is the origin of a very biased rumour. After all, it's not a high = quality newspaper, and this is only a small note with no significance to = the article.=20 /Conny Fornb=E4ck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) KW vs MACup?? Date: 25 Oct 1996 17:02:41 -0700 -(I am NOT John Bond.)- Re: KRAFTWERK sues MACup Is that the same company called "kraftWerk", as in: kraftWerk GmbH? They talk about "Vienna Online", but, there's no mention of "MACup". I don't Think this outfit is affiliated with KW, but, due to the Name, I found a few Fans listed on their Guestbook. So, does anybody know who/what this company is? My German's a bit rusty, but, they're definitely not talking about Ralf & Florian. I dunno.... 'BOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Lyrics to "Minicalcolatore" Date: 26 Oct 1996 03:20:53 +0100 At 20:50 23/10/96 +0000, you wrote: > >While we're discussing lyrics: Could one of the Italian list members >please post a transcription of the lyrics for "Minicalcolatore" (Italian >language version of "Pocket Calculator")? I think that all the other >Kraftwerk lyrics are available via the Internet, except this one... sono l'operatore del minicalcolatore sono l'operatore del minicalcolatore io aggiungo io sottraggo io programmo io compongo sono l'operatore del minicalcolatore sono l'operatore del minicalcolatore se premo un bottone lui suona una canzone # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danyel Ramelow Subject: (kw) Other bands to trade Date: 25 Oct 1996 23:24:44 -0700 Hello, I live in Louisiana where it is difficult to find Kraftwerk albums. I am looking to acquire some of the old studio stuff, particularly "Die Mensch Maschine" "Kraftwerk 1&2" and "Computer World." I would like to set up a trade with someone on the list. I don't have any Kraftwerk albums, but I have rare studio and live material by the following artists: Depeche Mode U2 New Order Erasure Electronic Oasis James Duran Duran Arcadia Cranberries Please e-mail me privately if you want me to send you my list. Thanks, Danyel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas D. Kent" Subject: Re: (kw) Boguewerk & Japan Date: 26 Oct 1996 00:41:40 +0000 >Anybody seen the ComputerWorld+3 reissue from Japan yet? It was supposed to >be out late September. >Lon Was in Tokyo in October. This was *not* in stores then. Maybe Ralf found out about it :) Here is my list of Kraftwerk sounding albums: YMO: "Technodelic" -- YMO's most KW-like album with tracks like "Neue Tanz" (1981 Restless [US] cd: 7 72704-2) The original intent of Yellow Magic Orchestra was to combine the styles of Kraftwerk and Martin Denny (thereby teasing the way U.S. and European artists attempt to emulate Asian/Pacific music), although they lessened the Denny influence after their self titled album (recorded 1978 Restless Records cd:72700). This album ("Yellow Magic Orchestra") was arguably the first album to use video game music extensively. Ryuichi Sakamoto: "Thousand Knives" 1978 has tracks like "Das Neue Japanische Elektronische Volkslied" -import CDs on Dennon fairly easy to find. Not as catchy as his next one, "B2-Unit" which is also harder to find (Andy Partridge guests). P-MODEL: "P-MODEL" (1992) is their most KW-like -They have been making technopop since 1979. Hard to find outside Japan. There new one "Fune" is less KW-like but still very cyber. Testpattern: "Apres-Midi" this very hard to get Japanese band's only full album is Telex-like Hajime Tachibana: "Rock" (Yen Memorial Album version) this song by an ex-Plastics member is a clear attempt to do a song in the style of KW. Nicholas Kent http://idfx.com/artskool/jem Japanese Synth Music Site plenty of technopop info # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: (kw) KW on Arte Date: 26 Oct 1996 13:41:06 +0100 This week there was a programm on german/frensh TV channel ARTE about Techno. It featured a KW Performane of Autubahn and some excerpts of the Robot (the Mix) video. Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at ¿ Hay una discoteca por aquí ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Melzer" Subject: Re: (kw) KW vs MACup?? Date: 26 Oct 1996 14:07:25 +0100 Guten Tag aus Wien > Is that the same company called "kraftWerk", as in: kraftWerk GmbH? > They talk about "Vienna Online", but, there's > no mention of "MACup". I don't Think this outfit is affiliated with KW, > but, due to the Name, I found a few Fans listed on their Guestbook. So, > does anybody know who/what this company is? My German's a bit rusty, > but, they're definitely not talking about Ralf & Florian. I dunno.... > 'BOT This an Austrian company for environmental technology. A friend of mine has worked with them when doing some research for his bachelors thesis. I dont know if they ever had problems with using the word Kraftwerk as theis companies name. But Kraftwerk is just a normal German word so I am not sure if you can reserve copyright on it. Hasta luego Michael Melzer e-mail: h8551159@asterix.wu-wien.ac.at ¿ Hay una discoteca por aquí ? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) Inconsistency? Date: 26 Oct 1996 14:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Here's a question regarding a picture on the 7" Japanese single of "Showroom Dummies" with "The Robots" on the b-side (Capitol ECR-20658). The picture that I am referring to depicts an elevated platform with the 4 KW dummies standing atop it dressed in their Man-Machine outfits (red shirts, black tie and pants). Before them lie their neon-lit names on the ground. Behind them stands a large blown-up print of the cover of the Man-Machine album, an obvious promotional backdrop. However, the part that interests me is the equipment that stands before each of the dummies. This single was released in 1977 perhaps largely to promote the upcoming "Man-Machine" album in 1978, and yet Florian's dummy stands before his flute and Ralf's dummy before only a microphone (a la 'Radio-Activity') in the photo. Wasn't this equipment line-up already abandoned by this point in time? Various footage of KW playing live during 1978 performances seems to support the notion that Ralf & Florian were already standing behind consoles of their own by this point, the flute having been replaced back in 1975. Any thoughts? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We're functioning automatic..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lbo Subject: Re: (kw) Kraftwerk vs. MACup Date: 26 Oct 1996 21:29:09 +0100 >Hope KW sues MACup's butt off! Their "crime" is even worse than naming well, come on, if I'm not wrong kraftwerk is a common german word meaning just "power plant". you can certainly ask for a (tm) on "powerplant", then again it would be so a common word that it would be easy that sooner or later someone else would use it as a domain name. maybe this MACup just did not know about Kraftwerk... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) YMO and EW & KW Date: 26 Oct 1996 17:22:26 EDT >>> Ryuichi Sakamoto: "Thousand Knives" 1978 has tracks like "Das Neue Japanische Elektronische Volkslied" -import CDs on Denon fairly easy to find. Not as catchy as his next one, "B2-Unit" which is also harder to find (Andy Partridge guests). <<< I've heard of YMO and, of course, Ryuichi Sakamoto, but I really like fellow YMO member Haruomi Hosono. "Medicine Compilation From the Quiet Lodge" (TriStar Music/SME WK 57298) is a great album. Does anyone know if the latest "100 great CDs" from Entertainment Weekly mentioned any KW joints? :-) Unfortunately, they published that issue just before I started subscribing to that magazine again. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) EPMD said, "You gots to chill" Date: 26 Oct 1996 17:22:26 EDT >>> Sure you did, and THAT is interesting. But what connection does Jeru the Damaja have to Kraftwerk? Is it relevant to you if this friend likes Kraftwerk or Country & Western? Should we really discuss what types of music that are sacred here? I'm sorry, but I must stress that the discussions in this list are about Kraftwerk, not about hip-hop, house, dancehall reggae, ambient, country & western, bluegrass or whatever UNLESS it's related to Kraftwerk somehow. If this list allow that kind of discussions we will end up discussing China's contribution to the peach market, if you know what I mean. <<< This is about ELECTRONIC MUSIC. The RCA Mark II and the Buchla synths were monuments in the development of the modern synthesizer. I just thought that it was dope that Primo sampled some of that early avant-garde shit (and then flipped the script) in that Jeru joint. Damn! Who appointed you the sheriff of the discussion group? Besides, if it wasn't for the innovators in the '20s-'60s, there wouldn't be no Kraftwerk! Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) "Das Stahltier" Date: 27 Oct 1996 02:38:29 +0000 The German TV-series "Eisenbahn-Romantik" on MDR 3 showed excerpts from the film "Das Stahltier" (Willy Zielke, 1935) yesterday. I've only watched the last two minutes, and I'm not absolutely sure, but I've got the impression that Kraftwerk used parts of this film for the concert version of their "Trans Europe Express" video. Is anybody able to confirm this? Thanks, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) YMO 2 Date: 27 Oct 1996 01:29:11 EDT Speaking of Ryuchi Sakamoto, does anyone know if his score to the film "The Wings of Honneiamise" (on Manga/PolyGram Home Video) is on CD? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Doepfer A-100 Date: 27 Oct 1996 19:33:53 +0000 The November issue of the German Keyboards magazine contains an in-depth review of the Doepfer A-100 modular synthesizer, which confirmes that Florian Schneider was personally involved with the development and testing of the vocoder module. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: (kw) WKTU, 103.5 FM, New York. Date: 27 Oct 1996 15:45:06 -0500 (EST) Ah, a sense of elation fills me at the moment, for as I type this I'm listening to "Numbers" being played on the radio, WKTU, New York's foremost dance station at the moment. The last time I heard KW on the radio was about 2 years ago on some 'history of music' special on 92.7 WDRE, New York's alternative & modern rock station at the time. They played "Pocket Calculator" and I started freaking out in the car I was in at the time. (Sure it was dangerous, but hell, it was Kraftwerk!!) Even that was a real surprise, because I mean Kraftwerk is really *never* played on the radio here in New York. So naturally, I went nuts when "Numbers" just came on! The dance station is having some kind of 'classic flashback' show for an hour, and they've been playing a lot of the classic songs that have been mentioned on this list recently, like "White Lines", "Jam On It", "Rapper's Delight", and loads of other classics. I think it's fantastic that KW finally get the respect that's due to them!! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Eins Zwei Drei Vier..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: Re: (kw) WKTU, 103.5 FM, New York. Date: 27 Oct 1996 16:25:29 -0500 I recently heard the rhythmic drum beat of "Numbers" on some MTV Beach House Flashback segement or something like that. There was a scene from a "Beach House" episode and - you know how, at ever turn, MTV plugs in some soundbyte music selection to go along with the video - "Numbers" was one of the soundbytes. Thank god it wasn't on "The Real World" or one of those absurd sex shows. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) More Repetive Beats.... Date: 27 Oct 1996 13:00:35 -0800 Re: Repetive Beats ROBOT had written: Subject: (kw) RADIOAKTIVITAT! KW on the RADIO! KOOL! Date: 27 Oct 1996 14:21:49 -0800 -(Beam me UP, Scotty!)- *HALLELUJAH*!! I ReJoice with Thee! Let us PRAISE together and WORSHIP the alMIGHTY MEKANIKAL MUSIKMEISTERS! ....OHM-M, SWEET OHM-M.... :] Believe it or not, I've occasionally heard 'em on the Air here behind the Redwood Curtain on "MainStream" KXGO, etc, MySelf! -(not counting all my Requests to KHSU, College Radio)- It's RARE, but, it Happens- and You BETcha I *FREAK* Every Time! I was walkin' down the street carrying my BoomBox one day- years ago- and suddenly I'm getting VIBED with ANTENNA! What a THRILL! Alas, there was no one to Share it with- So, I'm Be-Boppin' along the sidewalk, going Totally APEshit- & 'damn-near got myself ComMITted! It's ONE thing to be playing a Tape, and maybe someone hears it and says "WHATisTHAT??", -(like when I used to do "mime")-, but, when it's BROADCASTED on the AIRWAVES, -*WOW*-, now THAT's 'Special'! One evening at Home I was sitting with family in the living room, we were all watching something together on TV, and I had the Radio beside me on Low because it was time for London Calling, -(syndicated UK programme)-, and Suddenly I heard a *NEW* KW TUNE! OOH! OOH-OOH! 'Gotta Turn it UP! The family patiently indulged me, mildly Curious themselves, and listened With me ....Tingles, Goosebumps, YEAH, that's DEFiNiTeLy KW -Please, God, Don't let me EAT the Radio until AFter they announce it.... "And that's the Brand New KRAFTWERK Single, TOUR de FRANCE-"!*SCREAM*! -(Okay, turn the Radio back down & the TV back up- I'm BASKING in the Sweet AfterGlow- My family ignores my quiet Tears of Ecstacy. *sigh*)- I write a letter to Graham Dene telling him how WAY COOL he is for playing KW, -(he played MODEL a few weeks earlier. It was #1 in the UK for a while! :] YEAH!)-, and he CALLED me on the PHONE about a week Later and said "You're Quite the KRAFTWERK Fan, aren't you?" and we had a "LOVERLY CHAT"! A few weeks later my Aunt went to Deutschland, drove her newly purchased '68 Mercedes on the AUTOBAHN, and shipped it home, and she brought me back the TDF single, -(not yet available Stateside)-, and a RARE M.M pin- which I later LOST, *WAH-H-H*, but, I digress. GOD, it was SO *GOOD* to SHARE the EXPERIENCE of Hearing TDF for the FIRST TIME- even if my family isn't INTO 'em, we're ALL very Musical, and they know good stuff when they hear it. So, yeah, I HEAR ya- Freak ON, Fellow KW Lover!! :] ROBOSMILEY PS: Did everyone adJust their Clocks? -("Fall BACK")- This Crazy Computer kept resetting itself everytime it hit 0200! I wonder What's gonna Happen when it hits the year 2000....????.... Sweet VIBES = Sweet DREAMS ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: (kw) MTV and Kraftwerk Date: 28 Oct 1996 9:02:02 MET > > I recently heard the rhythmic drum beat of "Numbers" on some MTV Beach House > Flashback segement or something like that. There was a scene from a "Beach > House" episode and - you know how, at ever turn, MTV plugs in some soundbyte > music selection to go along with the video - "Numbers" was one of the > soundbytes. Thank god it wasn't on "The Real World" or one of those absurd > sex shows. > I watch MTV every now and then and I must say that Kraftwerk and Elektric music clips are used quite often, in fact I get the impression that these two groups are among the artists who are most sampled by MTV. (This at least for MTV Europe) /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) Inconsistency? Date: 28 Oct 1996 10:14:11 +0000 > From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > > Here's a question regarding a picture on the 7" Japanese single > of "Showroom Dummies" with "The Robots" on the b-side (Capitol > ECR-20658). > This single was released in 1977 perhaps No, the photo on the cover is from 1978. It was probably taken during the New York release party for "The Man Machine". > Various footage of KW playing live during 1978 Sorry, what footage? Kraftwerk didn't play live in 1978. > the flute having been replaced back in 1975. No, the flute was still in use during the 1981 concerts. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com Subject: (kw) Looking for KraftWelt info Date: 28 Oct 1996 9:49:29 MET Hi everybody, Can someone provide me with a discography of Kraftwelt's releases or a website where there are loads of info :-) about this group? advTHANKSance -- Eric van Gasteren _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ ASIC Service Group, _/ _/_/_/ _/ Embedded Systems _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Technology Centre, _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Room : WAY 4.51 _/_/_/ _/_/_/ontroller _/ _/odule _/_/_/ervice Phone : +31-40-2744958 _/ Fax : +31-40-2744626 E-Mail: gasteren@natlab.research.philips.com Prof. Holstlaan 4 5656 AA Eindhoven "Far is only far if you don't go there" The Netherlands # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: (kw) Final statement about limits on discussions Date: 28 Oct 1996 10:01:43 MET I've been on this list for quite a while now. Unfortenately I think the discussions tend more and more to be about other bands. A quick look at the last 50 (say) letters gives that at least 30 percent are about other bands than Kraftwerk and related. This is very sad because I joined this list because I wanted to read about Kraftwerk and nothing else. If I would have wanted to read about Big BAD Juicy And His Super Fonky Guerillas, I had tried to find a newsgroup about this band. Other bands are interesting for sure, but there is point in only letting Kraftwerk related discussions in on this list. Consider the following very hard: There are (say) 30 persons who regulary supply this list with letters. Someone on this list claims it is interesting to know the other members taste of music so everyone starts to mail their own favourite bands. Of course the others have comments on this and mail back to the list. Now, try to guess how many weaks it would take for the discussions on this list to be about something completely different from Kraftwerk. This is only one scenario. And to quote another hip hop artist: 'My super duper group is coming out to kill' - Eazy E This quote is probably more true than you ever know. This list will in the end die if we don't restrict ourselves to Kraftwerk and related. To say that I'm the opinion sheriff of this list is neither polite nor intelligent. I think that instead of dropping stupid comments, everybody on this list should take one minute to think about if their contributions to the list are 1) About Kraftwek and related. 2) Relevant to others. 3) Short and clear. It seams that some think that list rules are made just for fun by some left over communists from Russia. Who will drop the next stupid comment? I'm just waiting to hear that I'm a member of the list Gestapo. /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: (kw) Hip Hop and Kraftwerk Date: 28 Oct 1996 09:00:45 -0500 (EST) I think talking about Hip Hop in a Kraftwerk Mail group makes perfect sense. You prpbably don't know this but Kraftwerk gave modern Hip Hop its own sovereign identity. Before DJ's in NYC began to mix Kraftwerk, Rapping ( just versing and rhyming) was done on top of a funk track. Being that very few people knew Kraftwerk music in the US, this new mix, electronic music under rapping, not only gave Hip Hop its own identity but it also legitimized it as a music form. Sure "rapping" has been around for ages but Hip Hop came from the music tracks and influence of Kraftwerk. So, should we not talk about the effects of the Kraftwerk revolution simply because this is only a Kraftwerk Mail group? That would be like talking about NY-jets without talking about loosing. That's ridiculous. As for me, I have vivid memories of this Electro-Hop thing that we were constantly break dancing to. We had no idea that Kraftwerk was behind all this great music. What better way to keep in touch with the origins of Hip Hop/Dance/Techno music than to be part of a group which admires the originators of their music tracks. Nate El Great South Bronx B-Boy "Nod your head to this" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) Inconsistency? Date: 28 Oct 1996 09:55:37 -0500 (EST) >No, the photo on the cover is from 1978. It was probably taken during >the New York release party for "The Man Machine". According to the KW discography online, this single was released in 1977, which would make it quite difficult for it to present a photo which was taken in 1978. Even KW weren't *that* much ahead of their time. ;o) Perhaps the release date in the discography is inaccurate? >> the flute having been replaced back in 1975. > >No, the flute was still in use during the 1981 concerts. I was referring to the fact that Florian's flute made its exit from KW's recordings around 1975. I know that the flute continued to be used for concerts following that, but its absence on the albums from that point on is what initially made me curious about the photo. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "...and we are dancing mechanic..." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: Re: (kw) Hip Hop and Kraftwerk Date: 28 Oct 1996 16:16:04 MET > I think talking about Hip Hop in a Kraftwerk Mail group makes perfect > sense. You prpbably don't know this but Kraftwerk gave modern Hip Hop > its own sovereign identity. Before DJ's in NYC began to mix Kraftwerk, > Rapping ( just versing and rhyming) was done on top of a funk track. > Being that very few people knew Kraftwerk music in the US, this new mix, > electronic music under rapping, not only gave Hip Hop its own identity > but it also legitimized it as a music form. Sure "rapping" has been > around for ages but Hip Hop came from the music tracks and influence of > Kraftwerk. > > So, should we not talk about the effects of the Kraftwerk revolution > simply because this is only a Kraftwerk Mail group? That would be > like talking about NY-jets without talking about loosing. That's ridiculous. > > As for me, I have vivid memories of this Electro-Hop thing that we were > constantly break dancing to. We had no idea that Kraftwerk was behind > all this great music. What better way to keep in touch with the origins > of Hip Hop/Dance/Techno music than to be part of a group which admires > the originators of their music tracks. > This is really amazing. Some of you seems to be missing the point over and over again. In this letter you discuss what influence Kraftwerk have had on the hip hop scene, and that is interesting to the list, but how come that you start discussing this ONLY when I point out that hip hop acts in general should not be discussed on this list? In this letter you clearly point out the connection between hip hop and Kraftwerk, but in the letters I'm referring to this is not done. Try to understand this: THINGS DISCUSSED ON THIS LIST SHOULD BE SOMEHOW RELATED TO KRAFTWERK! As far as I know Kraftwerk have had a big influence on the todays music scene. It has been said that every group who use a synthesizer could one way or another be related to Kraftwerk. Does this mean that we should be discussing Phil Collins, Ace of Bass, Culture Beat and so on? Ok, hip hop acts could maybe be related to Kraftwerk in general, but so can many bands - at least somehow. But how clear is this connection? Unless the act is obviously influenced by Kraftwerk, uses samples or rip offs from Kraftwerk IT SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSED HERE. Is it so hard to understand that if we start discussing other bands without mentioning Kraftwerk, we will soon have a list where music in general is discussed. /Andreas Elin What I mean is: some of the list members is mentioning a lot of bands without relating them to Kraftwerk, then when I ask what this band has in common with Kraftwerk and why this bands are discussed here, I get a angry mails who tell me all about the connection between Kraftwerk and the hip hop scene and how stupid I am. Why didn't you tell the list this facts. Then But may I remember ywrote in my letter was that we should not discuss some strange hip hop acts # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hiroshi@pobox.com (Hiroshi MURATA) Subject: Re: (kw) YMO 2 Date: 27 Oct 1996 21:50:31 +0900 >From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) >Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 01:29:11 EDT >Speaking of Ryuchi Sakamoto, does anyone know if his score to the film >"The Wings of Honneiamise" (on Manga/PolyGram Home Video) is on CD? Yes, it is found at many local CD stores in Tokyo. 15 tracks. (Is it found at some Net CD shops?) There was also a laserdisk box of three CLV disks, which is made of the film itself plus 42(!) sound tracks. It seems it's no longer available. Cheers! Hiroshi. ---- Hiroshi Murata (Kokubu ji city, Tokyo Japan) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Weckert Subject: Re: (kw) "Das Stahltier" Date: 28 Oct 1996 08:44:23 +0100 (MET) On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Klaus Zaepke wrote: >=20 > The German TV-series "Eisenbahn-Romantik" on MDR 3 showed=20 > excerpts from the film "Das Stahltier" (Willy Zielke, 1935) yesterday. > I've only watched the last two minutes, and I'm not absolutely sure,=20 > but I've got the impression that Kraftwerk used parts of this film=20 > for the concert version of their "Trans Europe Express" video. > Is anybody able to confirm this? >=20 > Thanks, > Klaus Zaepke >=20 That=ABs true, this film was made as an advertisement of the Deutsche Reichsbahn for the Olympic Games in 1936. It is around five minutes long or so. Thomas # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: Re: (kw) Hip Hop and Kraftwerk Date: 28 Oct 1996 09:00:01 -0800 Andreas Elin wrote: > > > > I think talking about Hip Hop in a Kraftwerk Mail group makes perfect > > sense. You prpbably don't know this but Kraftwerk gave modern Hip Hop > > its own sovereign identity. Before DJ's in NYC began to mix Kraftwerk, > > Rapping ( just versing and rhyming) was done on top of a funk track. > > Being that very few people knew Kraftwerk music in the US, this new mix, > > electronic music under rapping, not only gave Hip Hop its own identity > > but it also legitimized it as a music form. Sure "rapping" has been > > around for ages but Hip Hop came from the music tracks and influence of > > Kraftwerk. > > > > So, should we not talk about the effects of the Kraftwerk revolution > > simply because this is only a Kraftwerk Mail group? That would be > > like talking about NY-jets without talking about loosing. That's ridiculous. > > > > As for me, I have vivid memories of this Electro-Hop thing that we were > > constantly break dancing to. We had no idea that Kraftwerk was behind > > all this great music. What better way to keep in touch with the origins > > of Hip Hop/Dance/Techno music than to be part of a group which admires > > the originators of their music tracks. > > > This is really amazing. Some of you seems to be missing the point over and over > again. In this letter you discuss what influence Kraftwerk have had on the hip > hop scene, and that is interesting to the list, but how come that you start > discussing this ONLY when I point out that hip hop acts in general should not > be discussed on this list? In this letter you clearly point out the connection > between hip hop and Kraftwerk, but in the letters I'm referring to this is not > done. > > Try to understand this: > > THINGS DISCUSSED ON THIS LIST SHOULD BE SOMEHOW RELATED TO KRAFTWERK! > > As far as I know Kraftwerk have had a big influence on the todays music scene. > It has been said that every group who use a synthesizer could one way or > another be related to Kraftwerk. Does this mean that we should be discussing > Phil Collins, Ace of Bass, Culture Beat and so on? Ok, hip hop acts could maybe > be related to Kraftwerk in general, but so can many bands - at least somehow. > But how clear is this connection? Unless the act is obviously influenced by > Kraftwerk, uses samples or rip offs from Kraftwerk IT SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSED > HERE. Is it so hard to understand that if we start discussing other bands > without mentioning Kraftwerk, we will soon have a list where music in general > is discussed. > > /Andreas Elin > > What I mean is: some of the list members is > mentioning a lot of bands without relating them to Kraftwerk, then when I > ask what this band has in common with Kraftwerk and why this bands are > discussed here, I get a angry mails who tell me all about the connection > between Kraftwerk and the hip hop scene and how stupid I am. Why didn't you > tell the list this facts. Then But may I > remember ywrote in my letter was that we should not discuss some strange > hip hop acts > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. Please don't flame this group -- we have a lot of Kraftwerk fans here -- so , we may get off on a tangent once in a while. Do you not know that "Autobahn" was a take-off from "Barbara Ann" by the Beach Boys? It's OK to talk about these things ... please stop flaming us! Gyro Gearloose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: (kw) Hip Hop and Kraftwerk Date: 28 Oct 1996 13:46:44 -0500 (EST) So you don't have a problem discussing other groups as long as some kind of a connection can be made to KW? I will admit I am guilty of that. I've posted messages asking about different hip hop groups without making a KW connection apparent. I guess that I usually assume that if someone posts a message about a group like Newcleus, they are soemhow related to Kraftwerk. Now if someone were to post a message regarding Garth Brooks, I would definitely wonder if this person has it together. I think that it is a very fine line between what is acceptable and not acceptable for discussion now that so many acts have some kind of KW influence. I don't think we should restrict who we discuss as long as it can enrich our understanding of KW and what they did. Until next time money-grip Nate El Great B-Boy On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Andreas Elin wrote: > > > I think talking about Hip Hop in a Kraftwerk Mail group makes perfect > > sense. You prpbably don't know this but Kraftwerk gave modern Hip Hop > > its own sovereign identity. Before DJ's in NYC began to mix Kraftwerk, > > Rapping ( just versing and rhyming) was done on top of a funk track. > > Being that very few people knew Kraftwerk music in the US, this new mix, > > electronic music under rapping, not only gave Hip Hop its own identity > > but it also legitimized it as a music form. Sure "rapping" has been > > around for ages but Hip Hop came from the music tracks and influence of > > Kraftwerk. > > > > So, should we not talk about the effects of the Kraftwerk revolution > > simply because this is only a Kraftwerk Mail group? That would be > > like talking about NY-jets without talking about loosing. That's ridiculous. > > > > As for me, I have vivid memories of this Electro-Hop thing that we were > > constantly break dancing to. We had no idea that Kraftwerk was behind > > all this great music. What better way to keep in touch with the origins > > of Hip Hop/Dance/Techno music than to be part of a group which admires > > the originators of their music tracks. > > > This is really amazing. Some of you seems to be missing the point over and over > again. In this letter you discuss what influence Kraftwerk have had on the hip > hop scene, and that is interesting to the list, but how come that you start > discussing this ONLY when I point out that hip hop acts in general should not > be discussed on this list? In this letter you clearly point out the connection > between hip hop and Kraftwerk, but in the letters I'm referring to this is not > done. > > Try to understand this: > > THINGS DISCUSSED ON THIS LIST SHOULD BE SOMEHOW RELATED TO KRAFTWERK! > > As far as I know Kraftwerk have had a big influence on the todays music scene. > It has been said that every group who use a synthesizer could one way or > another be related to Kraftwerk. Does this mean that we should be discussing > Phil Collins, Ace of Bass, Culture Beat and so on? Ok, hip hop acts could maybe > be related to Kraftwerk in general, but so can many bands - at least somehow. > But how clear is this connection? Unless the act is obviously influenced by > Kraftwerk, uses samples or rip offs from Kraftwerk IT SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSED > HERE. Is it so hard to understand that if we start discussing other bands > without mentioning Kraftwerk, we will soon have a list where music in general > is discussed. > > /Andreas Elin > > > > What I mean is: some of the list members is > mentioning a lot of bands without relating them to Kraftwerk, then when I > ask what this band has in common with Kraftwerk and why this bands are > discussed here, I get a angry mails who tell me all about the connection > between Kraftwerk and the hip hop scene and how stupid I am. Why didn't you > tell the list this facts. Then But may I > remember ywrote in my letter was that we should not discuss some strange > hip hop acts > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: Re: (kw) Hip Hop and Kraftwerk Date: 28 Oct 1996 09:00:01 -0800 Andreas Elin wrote: > > > > I think talking about Hip Hop in a Kraftwerk Mail group makes perfect > > sense. You prpbably don't know this but Kraftwerk gave modern Hip Hop > > its own sovereign identity. Before DJ's in NYC began to mix Kraftwerk, > > Rapping ( just versing and rhyming) was done on top of a funk track. > > Being that very few people knew Kraftwerk music in the US, this new mix, > > electronic music under rapping, not only gave Hip Hop its own identity > > but it also legitimized it as a music form. Sure "rapping" has been > > around for ages but Hip Hop came from the music tracks and influence of > > Kraftwerk. > > > > So, should we not talk about the effects of the Kraftwerk revolution > > simply because this is only a Kraftwerk Mail group? That would be > > like talking about NY-jets without talking about loosing. That's ridiculous. > > > > As for me, I have vivid memories of this Electro-Hop thing that we were > > constantly break dancing to. We had no idea that Kraftwerk was behind > > all this great music. What better way to keep in touch with the origins > > of Hip Hop/Dance/Techno music than to be part of a group which admires > > the originators of their music tracks. > > > This is really amazing. Some of you seems to be missing the point over and over > again. In this letter you discuss what influence Kraftwerk have had on the hip > hop scene, and that is interesting to the list, but how come that you start > discussing this ONLY when I point out that hip hop acts in general should not > be discussed on this list? In this letter you clearly point out the connection > between hip hop and Kraftwerk, but in the letters I'm referring to this is not > done. > > Try to understand this: > > THINGS DISCUSSED ON THIS LIST SHOULD BE SOMEHOW RELATED TO KRAFTWERK! > > As far as I know Kraftwerk have had a big influence on the todays music scene. > It has been said that every group who use a synthesizer could one way or > another be related to Kraftwerk. Does this mean that we should be discussing > Phil Collins, Ace of Bass, Culture Beat and so on? Ok, hip hop acts could maybe > be related to Kraftwerk in general, but so can many bands - at least somehow. > But how clear is this connection? Unless the act is obviously influenced by > Kraftwerk, uses samples or rip offs from Kraftwerk IT SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSED > HERE. Is it so hard to understand that if we start discussing other bands > without mentioning Kraftwerk, we will soon have a list where music in general > is discussed. > > /Andreas Elin > > What I mean is: some of the list members is > mentioning a lot of bands without relating them to Kraftwerk, then when I > ask what this band has in common with Kraftwerk and why this bands are > discussed here, I get a angry mails who tell me all about the connection > between Kraftwerk and the hip hop scene and how stupid I am. Why didn't you > tell the list this facts. Then But may I > remember ywrote in my letter was that we should not discuss some strange > hip hop acts > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? > # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. > # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. Please don't flame this group -- we have a lot of Kraftwerk fans here -- so , we may get off on a tangent once in a while. Do you not know that "Autobahn" was a take-off from "Barbara Ann" by the Beach Boys? It's OK to talk about these things ... please stop flaming us! Gyro Gearloose # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) List policy Date: 28 Oct 1996 22:42:22 +0000 > Really from: "John S. Bond" > > Please don't flame this group This is amazing! This list has certain rules, they can be found in the intro letter and also in the FAQ-file. What happens if somebody points out that these rules exist? Not only that *he* is flamed ("opinion sheriff" etc.), there are even people who seem to regard it as a flame if somebody asks them to follow the rules! For my part I can only applaud to what Andreas Elin wrote, but now I would really like to see a *final* statement from the list owner. (Lazlo, are you there?) By the way: Was it really necessary to quote 59 lines (!) in a four-lines-long message? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) Please Ignore my husband's letter.... Date: 28 Oct 1996 13:09:25 -0800 This is Really ROBOT/M.J.Mayfield, and NOT Gyro Gearloose/John S. Bond!! I'm SORRY! I just found out that my Nosy-Buttinsky husband, Gyro/Johnny, posted a letter to the list earlier, and to Andreas and Nate, before I sent MY post a while ago. This was WITHOUT my Knowledge or Consent!! Please IGNORE IT! He starts with a LONG quote and ends with a short message- not "rude", really, but, UNneccessary. He has no business messing with "MY" KW & TREK Stuff and Private Email. I don't mess with his photography stuff. He already insulted One fellow KW fan. -(Luther/Luke, PLEASE write back, that Wasn't ME!)- You'll know MY letter when you see it. Big Difference. I have a HEART, he Doesn't. John has managed to chase off a lot of my friends & family and gotten himself kicked out of SquareDancing, -(which means I can't go Either without a Partner or transportation)- and he's ruined my Social Life. Please don't let his words & actions reflect on me. I'm sure as hell not going to let him ruin my KW Konnektions! KW is even more important to me than SDing & ST/SF put together. Next to GOD/CHRIST, all kidding aside about "Idolatry", KW is the Most Important and Most Pleasurable thing in my life. PERIOD. I really NEED friends out there- please don't let my jerk of a husband ruin THIS for me, too! I LOVE KW, and I LOVE Fellow Fans! Sincerely, ROBOT Melanie Jean Mayfield # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lazlo Nibble" Subject: (kw) List policy Date: 28 Oct 1996 14:32:01 -0700 (MST) This is a Kraftwerk list. I understand how threads can drift sometimes, but if your message has more to do with some other band than it has to do with Kraftwerk, think again before sending it here -- it's probably more appropriate for private mail or some other list. Having said that, I think I should also point out that complaints about off-topic postings take up just as much space and are just as off-topic as the postings they're complaining about. If you're going to play net.cop, you'd better be damned sure you're not breaking the rules yourself in the course of trying to enforce them on everyone else -- for example, certain people involved in this discussion could stand to reread what the guidelines say about including quoted text from the messages they're responding to. If you think a thread is getting out of hand and haven't seen me respond to it, then do what Klaus did and ask whether I have a problem with it. I hadn't read the list for a couple of days or I would have said something earlier, but Klaus's message in my mailbox clued me in that I needed to deal with this, so there you go. For what it's worth, I saw the hip-hop discussion drifting some but figured it was going to die out on its own -- which I still think it would have done had it simply been left alone. Let it rest, people. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: I Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Subject: (kw) Aktivitaet 8 - 'The Story of NEU!, La Dusseldorf etc.' Date: 28 Oct 1996 15:49:15 EST "EX-KRAFTWERK MEMBER seeks musicians, to form influential band, originality a must." (THE STORY OF NEU! - LA DUSSELDORF - CLUSTER - HARMONIA ) BY STEWART ORD PART ONE We have all read about the departure of Wolfgang Fluer and Karl Bartos from the ranks of Kraftwerk and their subsequent activities since then. But what about the other members that have left? If you have issue 6 of Aktivitaet then you may have perused your way through the musical tree that is situated in the middle pages. As you look through it you begin to notice groups that have become almost legendary in the annals of Krautrock alongside Tangerine Dream, Can, Amon Dueuel, Faust and a host of other names ... NEU!, Cluster, Harmonia and La Dusseldorf. THE ROAD TO THE BEATCLUB During the recording of 'Kraftwerk' 1, Andreas Hohmann decided to up sticks and vacate the drum stool, never to be heard of again. The position was quickly filled by a young up and coming drummer by the name of Klaus Dinger who was well known around the Duesseldorf area. The trio completed the album and the Kraftwerk name was finally placed on a record sleeve. Dinger's drumming must have been what Schneider and Huetter were looking for, he has a persistent 4/4 pattern which once heard is easily remembered, it is almost machine like in its simplicity. The trio continued but needed to augment their sound, especially for live work, Michael Rother (guitar) and Eberhardt Krahnemann (bass) were drafted in, but unfortunately this line-up only lasted for one session, Krahnemann departing swiftly. The quartet of Schneider, Huetter, Dinger and Rother continued working but the sound, heading in a totally different direction than previously, led to a surprising turn of events, with Huetter leaving the band. There was then a six month period when Kraftwerk consisted of Schneider, Dinger and Rother. For live concerts the trio relied heavily on their musical knowledge and abilities to improvise and ad-lib so that there is not much left of the original track but always returning back to the main theme to finish off, 'Ruckzuck' is a prime example, lasting over twice the usual length with only the flute refrain being recognisable from the recorded track. One of these concerts was recorded (albeit in lo-fi sound quality) and is readily available on a number of bootleg releases - both CD and LP - and was recorded in Cologne in 1971. The other famous example of this particular Kraftwerk line-up is the T.V. appearance on the German show 'The Beatclub', performing the otherwise unreleased 'Rueckstoss Gondoliere'. They teamed up with Conny Plank once again and started to get some material together, 35 minutes of which is reputed to have been recorded but which has never seen the light of day and highly unlikely to, even if the master tapes still exist. The only material from the trio that was made available for public consumption was that of 'Rueckstoss Gondolero' (its correct title) when they appeared on 'The Beatclub' in late '71, whether this track was part of the recordings made with Plank is unknown. Amidst a large collection of orange traffic cones sat Schneider with his flutes, violin and electronics, Rother and his echoed, wah-wah guitar and Dinger, sat behind his minimal drum kit. The music had very little in common with Kraftwerk, Dinger and Rother's unique musical style was stamped all over it leaving Schneider's input out on the sidelines. In retrospect, the appearance could easily have been marketed as NEU! featuring Florian Schneider... A "NEW !" GROUP, A "NEU!" ALBUM Some time after the 'Beatclub' appearance Huetter met up with Schneider and the duo started work on 'Kraftwerk 2', taking the group from strength to strength. Now out of the picture, this left Rother and Dinger to pool their resources together and continue their partnership under the name of NEU!. Along with Conny Plank, they recorded their debut album in just four nights at Windrose Studio in Hamburg. The eponymous album first appeared in Germany on Bruno Wendel and Gunter Korber's Brain label in 1972 (Brain 1004) and later in the U.K. on United Artists. Similarities? The cover was fairly similar to Kraftwerk's first two albums, plain white sleeve with NEU! scrawled over in red from bottom left to top right, but - the same brand of minimalism as KW's graphics - but that is where the similarities end. The music inside was nothing that Huetter or Schneider could have ever done or even desired to do, it required the individual styles of Dinger and Rother to create this kind of music. Dinger supplemented his drumming with guitar, Japanese banjo and vocals while Rother added bass, double bass and 'deliguitar' to his guitar work. The opening track, 'Hallogallo', set the style for the rest of the album , Dinger's light mechanik 4/4 drumming and Rother's almost trance like guitar work took the listener to another world where there is no sense of time, you didn't notice if the track was 3 or 10 minutes long. The only track on the L.P. that was different was the opening track of side 2. 'Negativland' had a ferocity all of its own, filled with machines, guitar feedback and Dinger's drumming, if it was cut down to 3 minutes and had vocals, it would have passed for anything off of the Jesus And Mary Chain's first album! It was 'Hallogallo' and 'Negativland' amongst others that defined the NEU! sound. THE DEMISE OF NEU! After the success of the first album, over 35,000 sales in Germany alone, they had to concentrate on live work, but needed to find a bass player. First up was Eberhard Krahnemann, a refugee from the earlier Kraftwerk story. Next along was Uli Trepte, better known for his work in Guru Guru. But the sound was not quite right, so the plans for live concerts were scrapped. Instead the duo went back to the studio to record the double A side single, 'Neuschnee'/Super', for release in Germany again on the Brain label, but failed to produce a big hit. Meanwhile, Krautrock was at its peak with hit albums from Can and Amon Duul II, the public seemingly shouting out for more German music, the weirder the better if you please. With Rother playing guitar, bass, piano, fiddle, zither, percussion and electronics, Dinger playing Japanese banjo, 11 string guitar, percussion, Farfisa piano, bandonion, speaking, electronics and record player, these were the fabrics from which 'NEU! 2' would be fashioned. Tragedy struck though when half way through the record they were told that their recording budget was almost gone. They had enough material recorded for one side of the record but no money to write and record the remainder. In a flash of inspiration it was decided to do an art-pop-cut-up using the tracks from the 'Neuschnee' single played at different speeds. The result was rather strange, 'Neuschnee' was played at normal speed and at 78rpm while 'Super' was played at 78 and 16 rpm as well as its normal speed, also audible in the resulting track was Rother and Plank having a conversation in the control room and Dinger manually controlling the speed of the record with his finger, pre- empting the scratching technique used by hip hop and rap artists some ten years later perhaps! 'NEU! 2' was released in late '72 on the Brain label and later in the U.K. on United Artists, apart from the cut up second side the rest of the music was a continuation of the first album. The sleeve was also a continuation in the same sense that 'Kraftwerk 2' was a continuation of 'Kraftwerk', a plain white sleeve with NEU! going from bottom left to top right again but in grey this time and a pink 2 sprayed over the top of it. The NEU! and Kraftwerk sleeves were made to look like every day products, as though they were a tin of peas rather than the over dressed art of Roger Dean's Yes sleeves and other albums of the time but, ironically, these plain, boring sleeves created their own bold statement in the end like a two fingered punk salute to the establishment. The experience of recording 'NEU! 2' had put a lot of pressure on them though and at the end of it Dinger and Rother went their separate ways. EXIT DINGER, ENTER CLUSTER, ENTER HARMONIA The pop world has always been filled with great duos, Eurythmics, Yello, Erasure, Robson And Jerome, even Kraftwerk is essentially the duo of Huetter and Schneider, and Cluster are no exception. Hans-Joachim Roedelius and Dieter Moebius started their recording career along with Connie Schnitzler as Kluster, Schnitzler having previously been in one of the many line ups of Tangerine Dream and with them for their first L.P. 'Electronic Meditation' along with Edgar Froese and Klaus Schulze. Kluster recorded two albums ('Zwei Osterei' and 'Klopfzeichen') before Schnitzler left to pursue an erratic solo career. Roedelius and Moebius changed the K to a C and released 'Cluster' on the Philips label closely followed by 'Cluster 2' on the Brain label. It was at this point that Rother met up with Cluster, both sharing the same label and producer. Combining forces, the trio of Rother, Roedelius and Moebius started work in June '73 at Cluster's home studio, completing their work in November of the same year. This new group called themselves Harmonia and the result of this work was the L.P. 'Music Von Harmonia', released in Germany in 1974 on the Brain label (BRAIN 1044). All three musicians are credited with playing guitar and electronic percussion, Rother and Roedelius also played organ and piano while Moebius played synthesiser. With the group consisting of all of Cluster and only a half of NEU! it was inevitable that the results sounded more like the former band than NEU! but Rother's guitar work remains prominent on the L.P. particularly on 'Dino'. The artwork meanwhile took the idea of marketing the record as a product to its natural extreme. Looking more like an Andy Warhol painting to advertise the latest domestic cleaner (with added brand x) than the latest release from three of Germany's foremost musicians. The label of the bottle announces that Harmonia is M. ROTHER (NEU!), D. MOEBIUS (CLUSTER), J. ROEDELIUS (CLUSTER) as though it was Krautrock's very first super group and the music inside confirmed it. THE RESURRECTION OF NEU! While Rother was busy with Harmonia, Dinger had not been idle, he had joined forces with his brother Thomas and Hans Lampe, the tape operator from Conny Plank's studio. The three of them started writing together but never actually got to record any of it before Rother re-entered the picture. Rother met up with Klaus soon after completing 'Music Von Harmonia' and the two of them started to talk about old times and where things had gone wrong during the recording of 'NEU! 2'. Seeing that they were both after the same goal the duo resurrected NEU! and booked themselves into Conny Plank's studio for December '74 and January '75. 'NEU! '75' was released in Germany on the Brain label (BRAIN 1062) and again later in the U.K. on United Artists. It featured Rother on guitar, piano, synthorchestra, electronics and voice, and Dinger on voice, percussion, guitar, klavier and organ, both Thomas and Hans appeared playing drums but only on side 2 which gives a different feel to either sides. Side 1 is Rother's side, beautiful images of landscapes appear with the simple melodic lines from his guitar and piano, Rother bringing his experience with Cluster to the full. Side 2 kicks off with 'Hero', unquestionably British punk before it happened, 'Hero' must have been one of the few European songs that the likes of the Sex Pistols were listening to. Then its back to true NEU!, taking us back in time to the first NEU! album and the same feeling that tracks like 'Negativland' gave us even similar sonic pummeling a la 'Ruckzuck' with 'E-Musik'. The sleeve also took us back to the first album being almost a negative of it, it was now an all black sleeve having the now familiar NEU! scrawl on it but in white. After 42 minutes of recorded music the resurrection was over. Rother went back to the Cluster camp leaving the Dinger brothers and Lampe to continue with what they were doing before. NEU! was no more. To be continued... AKTIVITAET 9 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Subject: Re: (kw) List policy Date: 28 Oct 1996 22:50:20 -0500 (EST) Fellow Kraftwerkians, Well, just thought I'd throw my .02 cents into this one even though this is the type of discussion thread that I normally never engage in. Over the last two years I've seen a lot of discussions volley back and forth on this list, and happily, the vast and overriding majority of them were well within the confines of what this list has always deemed "acceptable" for list purposes. In the past, list contributors such as Klaus Zaepke, ManMachn2@aol.com, Ian Calder, Brendan Heading (and myself (hehe) to name *only* a few) have always IMHO kept the posts and discussions "Kraftwerk-relevant" at all times. In fact, I don't really recall any episodes like this current one having occurred at all in this magnitude for as long as I've been on the list. To speak of other bands such as Elektric Music and Neu! would certainly be appropriate for discussion here as they are bands with a direct link and relevancy to KW. This exact notion is dealt with directly in the Kraftwerk FAQ. I think it is also appropriate to note that KW have *influenced* many later electronic acts which followed them, but this noting should be kept in the proper perspective and always within the context of Kraftwerk. So, for instance, while it can be said that KW influenced a band like Newcleus, the same can be said about bands like Depeche Mode, Afrika Bambaataa, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, Camouflage, and literally countless others in many varying fields of electronic music that cover the ethnic spectrum. So, while it is appropriate to note these developments, I feel that the discussions should always find their way back to Kraftwerk. This has always been a nice productive list in my opinion and KW fans are certainly too few and far between for quarrelling. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We start to move...and we break the glass" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) [Fwd: limits on discussions] Date: 29 Oct 1996 01:30:06 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------558613C91DBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -(I, ROBOT- yes, it's really ME, not Jerk-Wad Johnny/Gyro!)- This was the 1st letter I attempted to post earlier, beFore I found out about my husband butting in! Hopefully this "Bickering" is over & done with, and maybe it's too late to try to post this again, but, there IS relevancy in all this. "KW appeals to a wide spectrum...." Unfortunately, I don't know of any way to edit this once it's in my Sent box. All I can do is forward it as is. -(I'm as guilty of "Straying" as anyone else, so, I'm not griping....)- Let's all be friends, please?? --------------558613C91DBC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <32750BA2.5B46@razorlogic.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -(really ROBOT)- I can't believe people are still arguing about this. The List Manager has FINAL SAY on LIMITS. How'bout it, Lazlo? Andreas has voiced his concerns, -(over and over again!)-, and I respect his opinions as much as I respect Everyone Else's, but, ENUFZENUF already! *TWEET* -(Referee Whistle)- As far as I'm concerned, KRAFTWERK is the CENTER of The UNIVERSE, around whom/which Everything Revolves- so, Everything "relates"! Okay, that's a bit "Grandiose", :] but, it expresses how I feel. Seriously, I've gained So Much Info in the short time I've been on this List, about KW and similar Stuff, so I certainly have no Complaints about what's been discussed here. It's ALL Relevant. KW took all of their Early influences- Classical, Experimental, Folk, Rock, etc- and WERKed their MAGIC, and All That MODERN TECHNO STUFF is Due to THEM! Personally, I really Like knowing what other KW Fans are into because it reinforces the fact that KW appeals to a very Wide Spectrum of Individuals. Believe me, this DOES "Relate". Some lean toward SynthPop, some Hip-Hop, some Ambient- or, in my case, All of the Above and Then Some! -(Am I the Only one that Likes Classical, Rock, Folk, etc, as well??)- I'm into almost Everything, and I welcome Private Email from Anyone who wants to Chat about KW and whatever other Music & Hobbies you're into. -(Fellow TREKKIES, etc.)- That way we wont be cluttering up this Mail List! Now, Can't we All be FRIENDS? Like I said before: We're all Fans of the Finest Band in the Universe, who are sorely Under-Rated by the World at Large, so, PLEASE, let's just Keep on WERKin' Together! A fun topic came up yesterday which raises a fun Question: How often do You hear KW played on the Radio in Your Sector? Can we Chat about That? I'd say it's Definitely within Limits! ROBOT --------------558613C91DBC-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: (kw) No more, I swear... Date: 29 Oct 1996 10:58:40 MET I have let my voice speak a lot this last two weaks about limits on discussions and I felt that the whole thing tended to be a bit ridiculous in the end. I would like to apologize for the inconvenience I have made for the others who who feel that this subject is not very interesting to read about over and over again. However, I will NOT excuse myself for bringing up this subject in the first place. If anybody has any further comments please mail me personally. /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) 4. Hamburger Design-Kreuzzuege Date: 29 Oct 1996 14:57:54 +0100 (NFT) As in the previous three years, Florian Schneider's sister Claudia is the organizer of the Hamburger Design-Kreuzzuege (24.-31.10.1996), an annual series of design-related events and exhibitions in Hamburg. This years main theme is the Internet. Online information is available at http://www.DesignKreuzzuege.de (in German). Of note: one of the WWW pages, written by Claudia Schneider-Esleben, contains a brief (and inaccurate!) reference to her brother's band. The Kraftwerk reference can be found at http://www.DesignKreuzzuege.de/konzept/index.html. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: (kw) "Guiding Ray" Date: 29 Oct 1996 15:01:42 +0100 (NFT) Der Musikmarkt 42/1996 announces the imminent release of a Yamo CD single titled "Guiding Ray" (EMI 86 2260 2 Odeon). A concrete release date is not given. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emanuel Mair Subject: "Kraftwerk who?" [was: Re: (kw) [Fwd: limits on discussions]] Date: 29 Oct 1996 15:54:00 +0100 On 29-Okt-96 A.D., John S. Bond carved the following runes about "(kw) [Fwd: limits on discussions]": ^^^^^ ok, ROBOT... >[...asking how often KW is played on the radio world wide...] In the abode of e.g Ace Of Base - Sweden - NEVER! Well, perhaps occasionally as background music for a few sec's in some TV shows, but naturally KW aren't credited afterwards. I find comfort in the students' radio channel in the city where I live, as they're the only ones bold enough to play 'different' (difficult? :) music. Gerade aus! -- ________________________________________________ E M A N U E L M A I R // All animals are equal, but some animals are | mair@medstud.gu.se \\ // more equal than others - Orwell, Animal Farm| GSM:+46-(0)70-7819014 \X/ SYSTEM ALERT #0.998 System Error:"Intel Inside" | http://medstud.gu.se/~mair SYSTEM ALERT #2 Virus Detected: "Windows 95" | |________________________/boing\_______________/bumm\________________/tschak # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Klaus Zaepke Subject: Re: (kw) "Das Stahltier" Date: 29 Oct 1996 16:54:21 +0100 (NFT) > From: Thomas Weckert > > > I've got the impression that Kraftwerk used parts of this film > > for the concert version of their "Trans Europe Express" video. > > Is anybody able to confirm this? > > That's true, this film was made as an advertisement of the Deutsche > Reichsbahn for the Olympic Games in 1936. It is around five minutes > long or so. Not quite. In fact it was made on the occasion of the 1ooth anniversary of the first German railway connection, and it's length is ca. 75 minutes (original version) respectively 43 minutes (censored version). You were possibly referring to a different film? Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ManMachn2@aol.com Subject: (kw) laughing robots? Date: 29 Oct 1996 16:48:09 -0500 In an attempt to change the negative subects lately, has anyone ever noticed what seems to be a "laughing robot" in the cacophanous robot ending to "Computer World 2?" Amongst the numbers and chaos of the white noise voices, I hear what seems to be "ha ha ha" - very stale and beautifully monotonous, but still amusing. It could be something else entirely though...... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Certifications Date: 30 Oct 1996 01:39:52 EST >>> ...over 35,000 sales in Germany... <<< Can anyone tell me the sales figures for gold and platinum certification in other countries besides the US? Have any of KW's albums been certified in their native country and elsewhere? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) Truce Date: 30 Oct 1996 01:39:52 EST >>> 'My super duper group is coming out to kill' - Eazy E <<< We don't go for that gangsta shit. We prefer it nice and cerebral. OK, we understand and apologize to anyone who's taken offense, but we also love those bands who've been influenced by the TRUE fab four, and they deserve props for taking the originators to the next level. And mad props to Nate el Great for that well-said statement! Now, do any USA people get M2 yet (the new MTV spinoff)? Have they played any KW videos yet? Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nl2057@cnsvax.albany.edu Subject: Re: (kw) Truce Date: 30 Oct 1996 08:19:58 -0500 (EST) Good looking out Adam!! I wanted to apologize to those who got dissed or felt that some of us were out on a tangent. I'll try in the future to keep the convo on the Kraftwerk tip. But I will admit that it difficult since it is now that I am beginning to realize and appreciate the full spectrum of Kraftwerk's influence. Sure I used to break dance to their music but I had no idea who they were. So I made it a point to dig up their stuff and enrich myself with their music. I am on a Vasco Da Gama trip trying to discover the essence of Kraftwerk. Nate El Great B-Boy "The Vapors" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: Re: (kw) "Das Stahltier" Date: 30 Oct 1996 19:23:19 +0000 > From: Thomas Weckert > > > You were possibly referring to a different film? > > > No, it was definitive an advertisement movie for the Deutsche Reichsbahn. > I collect industry advertisements and I know it for sure. Hm, I am also sure... The film "Das Stahltier" was a 75-min.-long semi-documentary movie, which was made in 1935 on the occasion of the 100th anniversary of the first German railway connection. It was censored and it's public performance was forbidden, since it was also singing the praises of the British Railway. I refer to Ulrich J. Klaus: Deutsche Tonfilme. 6. Jahrgang 1935, Berlin/Berchtesgaden 1995, p. 174, and H. H. Prinzler: Chronik des deutschen Films, 1994, p. 116. It is of course possible that a short excerpt was used in an advertisement movie, but since the Nazis were unhappy with the film I would guess that this was unlikely? Could you please tell me your source? And could you please describe the scenes which were used by Kraftwerk, simply to check if we both refer to the same film? Thank you, Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) KW VIDS & Background Music.... Date: 30 Oct 1996 14:49:26 -0800 -(I, ROBOT)- We have MTV and VH1, but, I've never heard of M2. Does anyone have more Info? Now that I have a VCR, I need ALL the KW vids I can get! I saw TEE, The MODEL, & Telephone Call several Years ago, and I've heard about AB & M-NonStop and seen a few stills. -(I do have the AB "Sound Check" on tape from a recent PBS Rockumentary Series, mixed in with footage of 'Bam' talking about how KW influenced him for Planet Rock, etc, and a glimpse of K&W on 8-Track Flashback's Synthpop segment.)- I admit I don't watch MTV or VH1 that much, but, if there's a chance of seeing KW, I'll Tune In & Turn ON, fer Sure!! ** !! Another FUN subject: KW as "background music" on various shows. In the Old Archives, a guy said he heard "The ROBOTS" during a Buffalo Scene! -(Documentary?)- Weird, huh? So, when he sees Buffalo, he thinks of that song, Hee-Hee! Most fittingly, there was a German Documentary on TV 10 years ago about Computer-Aided Manufacturing & Milling Lathes, etc, -(I was studying all that Machine Tool/Mechanical Drafting stuff at the time, AND German, so it caught my undivided attention)- and, sure enuff, they were playing "Die ROBOTER" as these Lathes & Factory ROBOTS were Doing their Thing! :] KOOL! On a program about about Troubled Teens, they showed a boy sitting on his staircase, looking sad, and they played an instrumental portion of Computer Love- and I forget which Soap it was that played Spacelab during a tense chase scene. 'just flippin' chanels, and there it was. -(I only watch "Days", and the only Cool tune they ever played was Macarena the other day!)- And we all know Newton's Apple Theme is Really KW's Rucksack! They call it "Absolute Music" and added a bit of piano or something. That IRKS me! It's KW! Give Proper Credit! :[ *GRRRR*! Oh, RA was in some Community Theater commercial, and TDF for a Bike shop Ad. Pretty Nifty! Any other KW TidBits?? TV? Radio? Keep KooL! ROBOT http://www.ypn.com/personal/pages/ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Elin Subject: (kw) Elektric equipment Date: 31 Oct 1996 10:20:56 MET I have two questions: 1) Does anybody know what equipment Elektric Music used on 'Esperanto'? 2) A month ago there were a lot of discussions about Electronic singles releases. I wasn't into that discussion so I missed the most of it, so this question might already been answered: Is there any cool remixes made by Karl Bartos on these Electronic tracks? (I followed the discussion briefly, and I got the intention that nobody had heard the remixes.) /Andreas Elin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: (kw) Server Error?? Date: 31 Oct 1996 02:28:10 -0800 -(really from ROBOT)- There must be a server problem. My earlier message got posted TWICE, with a bunch of "Header" stuff on the Duplicate. -????- I had trouble posting yesterday, too. Well, HAPPY HALLOWE'EN! I guess I got TRICKED! I think I'll go to Mom's house tonight, put on my Black & Silver ROBOT Costume- if I can still squeeze into it- set up my Life-Sized C-3PO Stand-Up figure, turn on my Strobe Light, Play Die ROBOTER on my BoomBox, and pass out Candy, ROBOT-Style! I ain't done it in a coupla years, and the Kids seem to Dig it. Maybe I'll crash a party somewhere and sneak in some KW on the Sound System! Hee-Hee! "Hey! What's THAT?!" "Whoa, Kewl!" "KRAFTWERK? Hey, man, ROBOT's in the Hou-se!" You never know where I'll strike next.... :] TREK OR TREAT!! ROBOT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Klaus Zaepke" Subject: (kw) Electronic Remixes Date: 31 Oct 1996 14:49:46 +0000 > Is there any cool remixes made by Karl Bartos on these Electronic > tracks? No. Klaus Zaepke # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Wahlbom Subject: Re: "Kraftwerk who?" [was: Re: (kw) [Fwd: limits on discussions]] Date: 31 Oct 1996 19:59:10 +0100 (MET) On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 Emanuel Mair wrote: > >[...asking how often KW is played on the radio world wide...] > > In the abode of e.g Ace Of Base - Sweden - NEVER! Well, perhaps > occasionally as background music for a few sec's in some TV shows, but > naturally KW aren't credited afterwards. I find comfort in the students' > radio channel in the city where I live, as they're the only ones bold > enough to play 'different' (difficult? :) music. Well... I heard "Tour de France" on P3 today, just after the 12 o'clock news... I also heard "Computerworld" about a month ago. And speaking of Ace Of Base: Ulf Ekberg *has* repeatedly stated that Kraftwerk are his main influence. (Not that I can hear that...) So, I think it is slightly appropriate to discuss at least that aspect of AoB (even though they *do* suck). Anders Wahlbom (awahlbom@update.uu.se) http://www.update.uu.se/~awahlbom/ NOW PLAYING: The Associates: "Popera: The Singles Collection" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John S. Bond" Subject: [Fwd: Re: (kw) KW VIDS & Background Music....] Date: 31 Oct 1996 11:14:50 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1F0313C420E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's Good one! I wish I'D seen it.... -(Thanx, "Spotnik"!)- --------------1F0313C420E8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >From emout02.mx.aol.com!aol.com!spotnik Thu Oct 31 11:02:39 1996 Received: from emout02.mx.aol.com by pericles.razorlogic.com id aa19996; 31 Oct 96 11:02 PST Received: by emout02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA12651 for gyrgrls@razorlogic.com; Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:01:19 -0500 Message-ID: <961031140119_134680175@emout02.mail.aol.com> Here's one to test everyone's memory! Years ago, I was watching a documentary on PBS which included a segment on maglev trains. The background music was "Trans Europe Express," appropriately enough. Ring any bells? --------------1F0313C420E8-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: muziknut2@juno.com (Adam Schefflan) Subject: (kw) M2 Date: 31 Oct 1996 16:48:47 EST M2 (or MTV2) is a new video-only spinoff of original flavor MTV. Its logo features the back of the classic "MTV" with a number "2" in the lower right-hand corner. They play a much more diverse selection than original flavor MTV, and they've played lots of techno and international videos. So, any chance that our favorite band's videos have gotten any airplay. Oh, also, M2 is only available by satellite (no DSS--waa!) at this point in time. Peace. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Email majordomo@xmission.com with "info kraftwerk" in the message. # Postings must go to kraftwerk@xmission.com -- replies go to original sender.