From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #617 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 1 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 617 Re: Remastering Re: Remastering Re: Die Mench Machine Komputer release Re: Die Mensch Maschine/Spacelab Re; Remastering Re: Die Mench Machine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 16 Aug 93 20:48:20 +0000 Subject: Re: Remastering Really-From: Brendan Heading Hello kraftwerk mailing list, I believe you were talking about Re: Remastering when you said... >> I meant the master, not the multi track. OBVIOUSLY there would be some >> processing going on - probably nothing more than a miniscule of EQ and >> noise reduction. The secondary production master is usually only in RAM >> memory of the the computer used to remaster, and is therefore VOLATILE - >> read expendable, unless there are gigs and gigs of free disk space. Thats >> what I meant by remastered for CD. The original ANALOG tape is still the >> standard - unless you count the mastering CD I don't know if you're someone with experience in CD mastering, but I was led to believe that the CD master was always on a PCM tape, with a lot of critical settings and high tec equipment. This tape is then used to create the glass thingy that is used to press all the production CDs. The question we're on about here is - was the tape, as recorded by Kraftwerk, just passed directly on to the CD people, who made a PCM of it ? I seriously believe that that is in fact the case. I'm not sure if I understand correctly enough, but I understand that to have an ADD recording, Kraftwerk would actually have to make a digital master tape by actually remastering straight off the original tape that they actually played the instruments onto; the multitrack. That would be a true remaster, and I believe it'd be a joy to listen to. - -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Recursion : see Recursion" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 16 Aug 93 19:51:08 +0000 Subject: Re: Remastering Really-From: Brendan Heading Hello kraftwerk mailing list, I believe you were talking about Re: Remastering when you said... >The term remastering specifically refers to going back to original master >tape, admittedly as you said, but also generating a new production master >from it, resulting in a superior transfer that takes fuller advantage of the >CD medium. NONE of KW's albums, ANYWHERE, have had this done, and indeed is Ah yes, this is exactly what I meant. I believe that KW's albums would all benefit massively from a proper, hot off the master tape digital remastering. The reason why I asked is that I've already got the older version of The Man Machine on CD, and was considering buying the newer version in case it had been remastered at all - like the way the Tangerine Dream Virgin material has been. Thanks to you, I've saved meself the price of a CD :-) - -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "We don't need lessons from Brussels on how to be European. We have know that for centuries". -- Jean Michel Jarre ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 16 Aug 93 20:13:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Die Mench Machine Really-From: Brendan Heading Hello kraftwerk mailing list, I believe you were talking about Re: Die Mench Machine when you said... >I have heard that an Arp has a "searing" sound too....that's why I was always >confused as to what was making the pure flute-like sounds. I knew that KW >used a VCS3 but was unaware of any of it's features. Any more observations >about the sound? I am interested in ANYTHING having to do with KW equipment >and technique........... Well, everyone's favourite analogue, the Minimoog, is used quite a lot. Kraftwerk don't seem to use it's resonant filter all that much, but it can be heard plainly on a stack of tracks. Hey - they did use the resonant filter at the start of It's more Fun To Compute, though. - -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Eek, Eek, Wibble Hatstand, my old man's a monkey" -- Blackadder Goes Forth ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 30 Jun 96 18:39:53 EDT Subject: Komputer release Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> There is a short article about the band Komputer in the current issue of the UK music paper Melody Maker. Apparently their 'Komputer' EP will be released July 8th in the UK on Mute, on CD and picture disc 12" formats. This is the material first discussed on the list a few weeks back by Mark Stagg. There is also a brief biography on the band on the Mute Website. The band make no mention of being influenced by Kraftwerk, namechecking plenty of others, such as Can, YMO, Yello etc. which is amazing considering the obvious and undeniable Kraftwerk influence on some of the tracks on the EP! The fourth tracks, 'Oh Synthesizer', is almost 'Neon Lights 2' !! Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "I programme my Home Komputer ..." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 30 Jun 96 18:39:36 EDT Subject: Re: Die Mensch Maschine/Spacelab Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: Brendan Heading > > Hello kraftwerk mailing list, I believe you were talking about Re: Die Mench > Machine when you said... > >>sound on "Spacelab" sounds incredibly pure - like a flute almost - but the >>same effect can be made with the "sync" mode of an oscillator. > > Yes, actually, that sound is quite popular amongst older synth artists - Jean > Michel Jarre has used it, as has Vince Clarke in recent Erasure works. I don't > think it is the Odyssey. The Odyssey has a very searing type of sound - for > example, the lead line in "Europe Endless", and I think probably most of "The > Model". > > At an approximate guess I would say that this sound is made using a VCS3. Perhaps it could involve the 'electronic flute' that Florian used at that time and also on the 1981 world tour. An article in the (then) 'Electronics & Music Maker' (Sept. '81) magazine mentioned it briefly; "It's not actually blown but uses keys situated in flute pad positions that are 'touched' by the fingers to give a D/A control voltage/ trigger output for any of the synthesizers." The circuitry for the 'flute' was situated in the second 'unit' from the end, just behind Florian's position, but no mention of exactly *which* synthesizers were triggered. Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "By pressing down a special key .. it plays a little melody" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 30 Jun 96 18:39:46 EDT Subject: Re; Remastering Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> There have also been some Japanese re-issue CDs too; 'Trans-Europe Express' (TOCP 3086) 'The Man Machine' (TOCP 3087) Capitol/Toshiba EMI 'Cool Price' series of budget price releases. Don't know if any re-mastering has been done with these. Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "She's posing for consumer products ... now and then" * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:03:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Die Mench Machine Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com A Minimoog doesn't have a "sync" mode or variable pulse width............. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #617 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #618 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 2 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 618 Spacelab/Sine waves Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #617 Re: Florian's Role Re: Rumours!!! Re: Komputer release Re: Rumours!!! Re: Die Mench Machine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:56:44 -0400 Subject: Spacelab/Sine waves Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com I have also wondered whether these perfectly pure tones were somehow triggered by the flute mechanism......some sounds on Radioactivity seem also to use it. Also - I mentioned earlier about the "wetness" of Man-Machine - has anyone also made the observation that Radioactivity seems to make the most use out of sine waves than any other album? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:10:18 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #617 Really-From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the remainder, you will need to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. - --IMA.Boundary.789812638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part >There is a short article about the band Komputer in the >current issue of the UK music paper Melody Maker. Apparently >their 'Komputer' EP will be released July 8th in the UK on >Mute, on >CD and picture disc 12" formats. This is the material first discussed >on the list a few weeks back by Mark Stagg. There is also a brief >biography on the band on the Mute Website. The band make no mention >of being influenced by Kraftwerk, namechecking plenty of others, such >as Can, YMO, Yello etc. which is amazing considering the obvious >and undeniable Kraftwerk influence on some of the tracks on the EP! >The fourth tracks, 'Oh Synthesizer', is almost 'Neon Lights 2' !! > Ian Calder I got a tape of the EP from Mark as it was never released (for some odd reason) on the original release date.Bloody excellent it is too!!. By not mentioning KW they must be taking the the piss.Their music has diddley squat to do with CAN YELLO or YMO and everything to do with KW they are virtually cover versions.Heartily recommended for all KW fans especially if you can pick it up at the normal EP rate. Dave H ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:01:28 +0200 Subject: Re: Florian's Role Really-From: lbo >>for a taxi or something, and I offered some glass to them... even asked for >>autographs on the ticket... memorable... >> >Is this true or is it nonsense? If it's nonsense then is it supportable? I'm >gonna give it the benefit of the doubt, but then I'm not on the jury. Over >to Lazlo! hey, I don't understand if you all make jokes between you and I don't want to enter in personal polemics, nor I want to be taken as a matter of polemics myself. I am a very peaceful ones and I am disturbed by flames, even if not concerning me. anyway, I have the ticket signed by K members, it was my birthday, I was so happy and I don't want to spoil the memories with doubts. >If its permissable then I'd like to know what you spoke to FS about. Did he >reveal anything interesting. How about new material? Future plans etc! Florian himslef did not talked very much, and after having my drink accepted I realized it was better if I kept myself discreet. we chatted about the tour and possible future releases, but they was very generic about that, and mind, it was all so fast. Fernando Abrantes was with them, and told us that it was a nice experience for him. After a few minutes, anyway, they were "rescued" from us by a couple of guys of the organization that told something like "your car is ready". we asked to those guys where were they going to, and this two told us that Ralf wished to have some nightclubbing in Milan, but for his own... and that's it! :-) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:01:33 +0200 Subject: Re: Rumours!!! Really-From: lbo [...] >Yes, he does chair the jury to some extent. On the Jarre mailing list things I don't have the slightest idea about what you're talking about. can you give some hints? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:14:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Komputer release Really-From: Kevin Busby Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> wrote:- > biography on the band on the Mute Website. The band make no mention > of being influenced by Kraftwerk, namechecking plenty of others, such Just to say the influence of Kraftwerk is stated prominently on the postcards being sent out by Mute to advertise this release. Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:12:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Rumours!!! Really-From: Kevin Busby > Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) > Lazlo Nibble *(strange name???) has made it quite clear that on-line rumours > will not be tolerated. Any unsupportable nonsense will result in the person > who writes it being expelled from the list. It is not clear what will happen > if the nonsense is supportable. > > Presumably the aforementioned will chair the jury. You have all been warned!!! If you're not happy with the way things are on a list, you can (a) seek to improve them or (b) unsubscribe (please do). Quite why you have been shown the tolerance you have is beyond me. You never did come clean about that business of the massive sound file that was posted to the list, did you? You and your chums cost time, money and patience with your juvenile "hoaxes" and don't even have the honesty to admit the truth of your involvement. So don't start making digs at other list members. You really do not have the right or credibility to criticise. Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:24:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Die Mench Machine Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Can you recommend some album titles? I hear these groups recommended often and would like to check them out. Thanks! ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #618 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #619 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 3 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 619 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #618 Techno-Pop Re: Die Mensch Maschine/Spacelab Re: Rumours!!! Aktivitaet 2 - 'Compilation and on and on...' Pt 1 Jap ComputerWorld/TdF CD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:39:44 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #618 Really-From: DHOLTON@derwent.co.uk This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the remainder, you will need to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. - --IMA.Boundary.528992638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >If you're not happy with the way things are on a list, you can (a) seek to >improve them or (b) unsubscribe (please do). Quite why you have been shown >the tolerance you have is beyond me. You never did come clean about that >business of the massive sound file that was posted to the list, did you? You >and your chums cost time, money and patience with your juvenile "hoaxes" and >don't even have the honesty to admit the truth of your involvement. So don't >start making digs at other list members. You really do not have the right or >credibility to criticise. >Kevin Everyone levels the accusation at Brian that he posts hoaxes.That's not the main reason that I think he's a twat.It's just that the fact that he's a boring socially maladjusted individual who doesn't know what what the fuck he's on about and who keeps getting on his high horse. Dave H PS this is only my opinion and may not be representative of the rest of the newsgroup..but I'm usually right in these matters. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:58:30 MET Subject: Techno-Pop Really-From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" In an earlier mail someone did ask the question if anyone has a copy of the first Techno-Pop album. No one answered so far. I'm interested in this album,too. Claudio ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 16 Aug 93 21:06:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Die Mensch Maschine/Spacelab Really-From: Brendan Heading Hello kraftwerk mailing list, I believe you were talking about Re: Die Mensch Maschine/Spacelab when you said... >magazine mentioned it briefly; "It's not actually blown but uses keys >situated in flute pad positions that are 'touched' by the fingers to give a >D/A control voltage/ trigger output for any of the synthesizers." The >circuitry for the 'flute' was situated in the second 'unit' from the end, >just behind Florian's position, but no mention of exactly *which* >synthesizers were triggered. Yes, it could have been involved in Spacelab. I'm not sure why though - I would assume that the electronic flute would be used only for the live show, as there's no point in using such a complicated CV trigger when you can do the job just as easily using the keyboard :) - -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Giving money to governments is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" - -- Anonymous ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 16 Aug 93 20:50:19 +0000 Subject: Re: Rumours!!! Really-From: Brendan Heading Hello kraftwerk mailing list, I believe you were talking about Re: Rumours!!! when you said... >>Yes, he does chair the jury to some extent. On the Jarre mailing list things >I don't have the slightest idea about what you're talking about. can you >give some hints? Lazlo Flibble :) - -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "I didn't want to make music any longer. I didn't want to be a robot. I didn't want to make concerts, even, I didn't want to be with the boys after all those years" --- Wolfgang Fleur, on leaving Kraftwerk in 1987. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 02 Jul 96 17:19:19 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 2 - 'Compilation and on and on...' Pt 1 Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Aktivitaet 2 - 'Compilation On and On and On...' A guide to the numerous compilations of Kraftwerk's early material by Ian Calder, August 1992. (Some minor amendments May 1996) Part 1 of 2 NB; This article appears in both Aktivitaet 2 and Retro 1 issues. Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * In recent years, the popularity amongst collectors for the numerous compilation LPs that have appeared, drawing their tracks from the LPs recorded by Kraftwerk for the Philips label, in Germany, and the UK equivalent, Vertigo, has grown so that these records are now very much in demand. At long last, what we have here is a comprehensive guide to all of these rare, early compilations, the kind of article that should have been featured in 'Record Collector', 'Spiral Scratch', 'Music Collector' etc. YEARS ago. As most of these LPs are so scarce, it is worth investigating what each LP has to offer and give a run down of what music is to be found on the record as well as a description of the sleeve design etc. so that other collectors can know what value each LP is likely to be of to them. Special thanks, for help with this article go to Martin Avery, John Shilcock, Stewart Ord and Paul Wilkinson. 'EXCELLER 8' Side One; Ruckzuck (Edit) (7.29), Autobahn (Edit) (3.07), Tongebirge (2.50), Kristallo (6.17) Side Two; Comet Melody 2 (Edit) (2.49), Kling Klang (Edit) (9.21), Vom Himmel Hoch (Edit) (3.59), Stratovarius (Edit) (1.34) Vertigo 6360 629 Also released in; Canada; Mercury 6449 004 France; Vertigo 6360 629 'EXCELLER 8', despite the awful pun of the title, is probably the better of the two UK compilation LPs. The opening track, 'Ruckzuck', loses its intro but is otherwise unchanged from the version to be found on 'KRAFTWERK 1'. This song is one of the best of the early Kraftwerk releases without a doubt and certainly deserves its place as the opening track on this 'Best of...' compilation. Next, we find the 7" edit of 'Autobahn' as released in the UK. Edit is not the word! Butchered, more like. Trying to condense twenty two and a half minutes into just over three minutes is not on! Personally, I've never liked the UK edit much as it is too disjointed and obviously 'tacked together'. Far better is the edit used in both America and West Germany which features a far more sympathetic treatment, dwelling on longer portions of the song and sacrificing the urge to cram all of the various sections of the song into a seventh of its original length. Completing side one are two songs from the 'RALF AND FLORIAN' LP, namely 'Tongebirge' and 'Kristallo'. Both are unaltered from their initial release. On side two we find a second extract from the 'AUTOBAHN' LP, the 7" edit of 'Comet Melody 2'. It is worth noting that the UK and West German edits of this song differ, the UK version being shorter and featuring a truncated intro. This version appeared on a 7" single, as a follow up to 'AUTOBAHN', and again in 1981 to promote the second of the Vertigo compilations, 'ELEKTRO KINETIK'. Side two continues with an edited 'Kling Klang' (the only track to be lifted from 'KRAFTWERK 2' ) though the edit is not too severe I suppose, most of the track remains intact. The same can hardly be said for the last two portions of this LP, both being brief extracts from the two lengthiest tracks off the 'KRAFTWERK' LP ; 'Vom Himmel Hoch' and 'Stratovarius'. It is the latter track that comes off worst; over 12 minutes long originally - merely a minute and a half is present here! 'Vom Himmel Hoch' fares better, with the first four minutes (the 'doodlebug'/V2 sounds) present. As a compilation, this LP gives a very misleading representation of the bands first LP - having heard the short edits of 'Vom Himmel Hoch' and 'Stratovarius' first it was very surprising to hear the full length renditions! I was expecting 10 minutes of V2's in 'Vom Himmel Hoch'! The sleeve design capitalises on the motoring theme of 'AUTOBAHN', being a rather colourful night-time painting of a road with oncoming headlights in the distance beneath very arty clouds. The labels are the later 'spaceship' Vertigo design. (There are also white label 'test pressings' of this UK LP to be found.) There are some slight variations with the sleeves; some have a rough patterned texture, some are plain (smooth) and some (the originals) have a sticker in mock German language pointing out that 'Autobahn vas ein Monster Here she is mit 7 others'. 'EXCELLER 8' was also issued on cassette-tape but with a radically altered running order, presumably due to the total playing time on each side(?); Side One; 'Ruckzuck', 'Comet Melody 2', 'Tongebirge', 'Vom Himmel Hoch', 'Stratovarius' Side Two; 'Autobahn', 'Kling Klang', 'Kristallo'. Vertigo 7149 007 The Canadian issue of this LP is very similar to its UK counterpart but there are various differences; the sleeve is not 'textured' like the UK pressings and the rear of the sleeve does not feature the three miniature LP sleeve illustrations. Also, a totally different label design, featuring a cityscape photo, is used. The French pressing is extremely similar to the UK one, patterned sleeve, same label design, but the rear of the sleeve reveals a difference - like the Canadian issue it does not feature the three miniature LP sleeve illustrations. 'DOPPELALBUM' Side One; Autobahn (22.36) Side Two; Wellenlaenge (9.40), Vom Himmel Hoch (10.12) Side Three; Kling Klang (17.36), Kometenmelodie 2 (5.44) Side Four; Stratovarius (12.10), Ruckzuck (7.47) Philips 6623 057 A West German compilation, from 1975 I believe. The sleeve design is based on the UK version of the 'AUTOBAHN' LP sleeve; the 'motorway' road sign. With it being a double album it features a gatefold sleeve; in the centre you will find a colour photo of a row of red/white traffic cones in front of a power station! Very Kraftwerk! None of the songs on 'DOPPELALBUM' have been edited in any way from their original LP releases. Again, its an odd kind of selection, with no songs at all from the 'RALF AND FLORIAN' LP. This LP is probably one of the less elusive of the early compilations as it certainly has the least to offer in terms of interesting edits/sleeve design etc. Cassette copies can also be found. (Philips 7581 435). 'POP LIONS - AUTOBAHN' Side One; Autobahn (Edit) (6.30), Elektrisches Roulette (4.19), Tongebirge (2.50) Morgenspaziergang (4.00) Side Two; Tanzmusik (6.34), Kometenmelodie 1 (6.20), Mitternacht (3.40) Fontana 6443 348 A West German release from 1976, 'POP LIONS - AUTOBAHN' features a selection of tracks from the 'RALF UND FLORIAN' and 'AUTOBAHN' LPs. All of the tracks featured are unaltered from their original versions except for 'AUTOBAHN'; surprisingly, it is not the 7" edit that is included. It is actually the first six and a half minutes of the song, faded out at the end. A very odd kind of edit! The sleeve design is a bit of a hotch-potch. The front is dark blue and silver with the photo as used on the West German release of 'RALF UND FLORIAN' (but tinted with various colours here) and a rather tacky looking illustration of a lion strumming (or attacking!) an electric guitar at the top. The familiar red/white traffic cone also manages to make an appearance! This LP is one of the rarer items to track down but should not prove too difficult. A cassette version is also available. (Fontana 7252 231) 'HIGHRAIL' Side One; Autobahn (6.30), Kometenmelodie 2 (5.44), Vom Himmel Hoch (10.12) Side Two; Ruckzuck (7.47), Spule 4 (5.20), Wellenlaenge (9.40) Fontana 9294 124 Yet another West German compilation! A later release (1978/79, I believe), the sleeve design draws its inspiration from 'TRANS- EUROPE EXPRESS' no doubt, what with its very arty 'train' design! This seems to be regarded as one of the rarer of the early compilations, now much sought after, which I personally find a bit surprising as I can recall back in 1981 it seemed to be the most common of the foreign compilation LPs to be found in the local record shops - and let's face it, Aberdeen is not the Mecca of record collecting! So it must have been widely available elsewhere too. It seems to have benefited from a little bit more inspiration, compared to some of the other compilations; some good sleeve notes are found on the reverse of the sleeve and the sleeve design itself is very nice. Other than the edit of 'AUTOBAHN' (which is the same as to be found on the 'POP LIONS' LP), the other songs are unaltered from the originals. (Cassette version; Fontana 7172 299) 'AUTOBAHN' Same track listing as 'DOPPELALBUM' Philips 6623 136 A French double compilation LP, very much their own version of 'DOPPELALBUM', as it features an identical track listing, in the exact same running order. However, when it comes to the sleeve design, it is very different from the German LP. This LP features the same picture on the front as the other French compilation LP ('A TOUT COLLECTION') of Ralf and Florian sitting behind their respective instruments in the studio, though the graphics are quite different from that LP; and with it being a double LP, this features a gatefold sleeve which includes one photo each of Ralf and Florian playing live, from early in their career, in the centre of the sleeve. Also, there is a mis-spelling of one track, 'Wellenklange' ??! This release seems to be scarcer than the German 'DOPPELALBUM', even though it is quite similar. It certainly has a more interesting sleeve design which maybe explains its rarity. - END OF PART ONE -- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 03 Jul 96 00:37:29 EDT Subject: Jap ComputerWorld/TdF CD Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Hey everybody... I've just recieved a catalogue update from Esprit Mail Order, a UK-based company who specialise in rare and imported CDs and vinyl. Listed is a Japanese CD reissue of "ComputerWorld", due at the end of August, which contains 3 extra tracks - "Dentaku" and "Tour De France (original and instrumental versions)"! I've bought stuff from them in the past, and they're reliable, if a little pricey (the above CD is 23.99 Sterling, plus postage). They have a website at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/esprit or if you mail them at: 100307.3627@compuserve.com requesting a certain artist, they will mail you back a text file of whatever stock they have by that artist. STAGGMAN ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #619 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #620 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 4 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 620 are we the robots? Re: Komputer release Electronic Website Anyone want 12" Tour De France? Aktivitaet 2 - 'Compilation on and on and on' Pt.2 Boot ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:18:57 +0200 Subject: are we the robots? Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) Hello kraftwerk mailing list, I believe you were talking about when you said... the phrase above. Cool, Brendan Heading put a robot to reply to the list: generic beginning phrase cantaining subject followed by the quoted contents, then followed by the random generated reply, so ended by a signature with random comment... well, sorry about it Brendan, but I can't read your posts anymore: everytime the same thing. Your previous reply programm was more human, you have to improve this one... just in my opinion. cheers, Timour - -- __ Timour JGENTI ___________ Institut Francais du Petrole ______ __ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr DIMA, groupe Image __ http://www.utbm.fr/les.personnes/lu.chen/timourpages/tim.html ________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 02 Jul 1996 21:37:26 GMT Subject: Re: Komputer release Really-From: martin.rundqvist@sting.dextel.se (Martin Rundqvist) I heard/saw a Komputer video at MTV Party Zone (Europe).. I thought it was as like as Kraftwerk as it could have been themselves who played.. And I felt that next tune must be a Kraftwerk tune, so I put the video on REC.. Right, there was Trans Europa Express next on.. Hmm. Noo.. Not kraftwerk influed.. nooooo way ;-) ;-).. But i liked them ;) //Kromosom ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:44:32 +0000 Subject: Electronic Website Really-From: "Klaus Zaepke" Information on Electronic's new releases can be found at http://www.wbr.com/electronic. There's very little information on Karl Bartos and his involvement, though. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:41:38 -0400 Subject: Anyone want 12" Tour De France? Really-From: Frank Moriarty Today I had one of those rare days when record/CD shopping when it seems like all you do is find things you've been looking for. Among various Jimi Hendrix things I had been seeking, I also finally found a 12" of "Tour De France" with picture sleeve of the bicycle racers. It cost me $3.99. The good news for readers of the KW list is that there was a second copy selling for $4.99. The vinyl looked a bit dirtier than the copy I bought, but unlike my copy - with the plain Warner Brothers logo - this version has a bicycle-related label on the disc. The cover is the same red/white/blue as mine. Here is the store info: Plastic Fantastic 26 West Lancaster Avenue Ardmore PA 19003 phone: 215-896-ROCK Telephone area codes in the area have changed recently so now that I think about it you may have to dial 610 instead of 215. I hope someone else has been searching for this and will be very happy to have a chance at getting this elusive recording! Frank For info on my books and articles, please visit: http://www.voicenet.com/~portiam/frank.html/ You'll find things that go fast and make a lot of noise: Racing, rockets, and rock 'n' roll! *************************************************** * I want to hear and see everything... * * * * -- Jimi Hendrix * ****************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 03 Jul 96 16:46:31 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 2 - 'Compilation on and on and on' Pt.2 Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> Aktivitaet 2 - 'Compilation On and On and On...' A guide to the numerous compilations of Kraftwerk's early material by Ian Calder, August 1992. (Some minor amendments May 1996) Part 2 of 2 NB; This article appears in both Aktivitaet 2 and Retro 1 issues. Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 'A TOUT COLLECTION' Side One; Kometenmelodie 2 (5.44), Heimatklaenge (3.45), Tanzmusik (6.34) Side Two; Kling Klang (17.36) Philips 9294 803 Another LP from France and judging by the credits I would guess that 1976 is the year of release. The front of the sleeve features the colour pic of Ralf and Florian that is to be found on the rear of the very same UK LP sleeve (the colourful 'in the studio' shot enlarged to fill the whole sleeve) and once again the traffic cone logo manages to reappear! Only four tracks, 'Kometenmelodie 2' from 'AUTOBAHN' , two tracks from 'RALF AND FLORIAN' and the very long 'Kling Klang' from 'KRAFTWERK 2'; difficult to see this LP converting the hitherto impartial listener into a Kraftwerk devotee! Nice colourful sleeve though! 'KRAFTWERK 1' EXCERPTS FROM KRAFTWERK 1 AND RALF & FLORIAN Side One; Ruckzuck (Edit) (3.57), Stratovarius (Edit) (7.50), Megaherz (Edit) (7.20), Vom Himmel Hoch (Edit) (3.43) Side Two; Elektrisches Roulette (4.20), Tongebirge (2.50), Kristallo (Edit) (1.35) Heimatklaenge (3.45), Tanzmusik (Edit) (3.35), Ananas Symphonie (Edit) (6.45) Fontana 9286 875 A very odd Italian release this, along with its companion volume. As you may well guess just by looking at the track listing, the songs have been edited, to fit onto a single LP. The record company have certainly done their best to condense two LPs into one as all of the songs from each LP are included. The edits begin with 'Ruckzuck', cut to about half its normal length, with the weird middle bit missed out, a bit of a pity because that's my favourite bit, with all the drums going bananas through the flanger! Next up is 'Stratovarius' (printed as 'Stratovarious' on the sleeve!) which is similarly edited. My favourite bit of this LP then follows; as normal, 'Stratovarius' comes to sudden stop, but the way that this LP has been edited it merges instantly into 'Megaherz' (again, on the sleeve, 'Megahertz' is printed!) which makes for a really nice touch, as the start of this song (i.e. the 'machine' being switched on) has been edited out and this segue is worth hearing. 'Vom Himmel Hoch' is like the UK 'B' side version; the V2/'Doodlebug' sounds only. And it then becomes obvious that the sleeve designer is going for a record amount of spelling mistakes! Over on side two we find that three of the songs ('Elektrisches Roulette', 'Tongebirge' and 'Heimatklaenge') have been left alone, unedited. Of the others, 'Kristallo' features only the 'speeded-up' portion and the slow, backwards end section for all of a minute and a half! 'Tanzmusik' starts off as normal for a few seconds then jumps well into the song and continues until the end from their. Finally, 'Ananas Symphonie' features a highly edited selection of its original thirteen minutes plus running time! The sleeve design is certainly quite colourful. The top of the sleeve features a band of colour, red fading into yellow. The main portion of the sleeve uses the 'circuit board' design, as used on the UK release of 'RALF AND FLORIAN', but in a dark pink colour against a white background. On top of this is the track listing for the LP, in black 'typewriter' style lettering. Above this 'circuit board' is the red and white traffic cone logo, with the LP subtitle, in the same 'typewriter' lettering, on the opposite side. As you may have noticed, there are a number of spelling mistakes! I've not seen either of the Italian compilation LPs advertised for sale very much though the last time I did L50 each was the asking price! It seems to be one of those LPs which is difficult to price, as it appears for sale so infrequently. Also, I cannot say when the year of release was though it's more than likely to be the mid 70's. 'KRAFTWERK 2' EXCERPTS FROM KRAFTWERK 2 AND AUTOBAHN Side One; Kling Klang (Edit) (9.00), Atem (2.55), Strom (3.50), Spule 4 (Edit) (1.50), Wellenlaenge (Edit) (1.35), Harmonika (3.17) Side Two; Morgenspaziergang (Edit) (1.50), Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie 1 (4.05), Kometenmelodie 1 (Edit) (1.15), Kometenmelodie 2 (Edit) (3.05), Mitternacht (3.40), Autobahn (Edit) (9.00) Fontana 9286 876 The companion volume to the previous release. Again, its a case of cramming as much as possible onto the LP to give a taster of each of the LPs; the disadvantage of course is that the songs end up being edited beyond belief! These edits are unique to these LPs, which is probably just as well! Of particular note on this LP is the inclusion of 'Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie 1' which is the only LP release for this song as far as I know. The LP starts off with 'Kling Klang', which features most of the song - from the bells at the start up to the point where it slows down and comes to a halt. The next two tracks are unaltered from their original formats but the two which follow this, 'Spule 4' and 'Wellenlaenge', are drastically edited! Side two starts off with the pastoral tones of 'Morgenspaziergang', which don't last long! Just as the song has 'built up', before it then launches into the familiar melody (as played on the flute, by Florian) the song finishes! Crazy edit! Next up is the only appearance on LP of 'Kohoutek- Kometenmelodie 1', the legendary debut West German 45 from 1973. This appears unaltered from its original 'A' side release. Following on this theme, we next find 'Kometenmelodie 1', though not for long!! A mere minute and a quarter of the start is present! Just as the 'booms' appear the song segues into its more uptempo sister, 'Kometenmelodie 2', which appears in an edit similar to that used on the West German 7" releases. 'Mitternacht' is unaltered from the original LP version and the side finishes off with 'Autobahn' which like the rest of the edits is unique to this Italian LP, featuring most of the early part of the song before suddenly jumping to the end section! The sleeve is of a matching style to its companion. The illustration that takes up most of the front of the sleeve on this LP is the blue and white motorway sign/symbol, as found on the original UK LP release of 'AUTOBAHN'. This time, the 'traffic cone' logo is green and white. The reverse of both sleeves are very similar, featuring various different sleeves from the same series of compilation LPs (including both Kraftwerk LPs) and the track details to the right. 'ELEKTRO KINETIK' Side One; Autobahn (Edit) (6.35), Ananas Symphonie (Edit) (7.34), Strom (Edit) (3.02), Mitternacht (3.40) Side Two; Kometenmelodie 2 (5.44), Heimatklaenge (3.45), Tanzmusik (6.34), Spule 4 (5.20) Vertigo 6449 066 The second of the UK compilations, this one from early 1981 as part of the Vertigo 'Reflections' series. The sleeve design is sparse; white with a couple of small, coloured patches and black titles. The label is a much later, orange coloured Vertigo design, neither the black/white spiral nor the 'spaceships'. On the musical front we find that some of the songs have been edited, just like on the earlier UK LP 'EXCELLER 8'. Most notable is the edit of 'Ananas Symphonie', originally from the 'RALF AND FLORIAN' LP. The edit of 'Autobahn' is almost the same as used on the German compilations 'POP LIONS-AUTOBAHN' and 'HIGHRAIL' but it benefits from a better ending on this LP as it does not fade out in quite the same way. Surprisingly, there are no selections from the 'KRAFTWERK 1' LP to be found here. This proved to be the last of the compilations milked from the Vertigo years as within a year or so, Kraftwerk had bought the rights to all of their earlier material back from Phonogram. Unfortunately, this move has also had the effect of making all of the material originally recorded for Vertigo, except for the 'AUTOBAHN' LP, unavailable, officially, for over a decade now. At the tail-end of 1991, Ralf Huetter mentioned, in a Berlin radio interview, that there were thoughts on the idea of digitally re- mastering and re-issuing the bands early material at some point in the future. There was even a report of a box set of Kraftwerk material being issued by EMI-Electrola in Germany, in parts of the German music press in late 1991. This has yet to happen and all seems to have gone quiet on that front. Whether there would be any compilations of the early material released for such a CD re-issue programme seems unlikely, though by no means impossible. - - END -- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:59:44 +0000 Subject: Boot Really-From: "Jeroen" Could somebody say something about the KW boot Koln '71. I never heard of it. JJ at jjgeerts@worldaccess.nl Met vriendelijke groeten Jeroen J. Geerts private: jjgeerts@worldaccess.nl office: jjg.geerts@wa.dhv.nl Voor Pampus: J.J.Geerts / Havens ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #620 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #621 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 5 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 621 herz or hertz? Re: herz or hertz? Re: herz or hertz? Boot ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 19:16:42 +0200 Subject: herz or hertz? Really-From: lbo >merges instantly into 'Megaherz' (again, on the sleeve, >'Megahertz' is printed!) which makes for a really nice touch, as so the original title is Megaherz, but it has to be megaherTz, I suppose... or not? incidentally the school where I took the nuclear technician degree is named after Heinrich Hertz (or Herz? but I think it is really Hertz...) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 20:17:12 +0200 (DFT) Subject: Re: herz or hertz? Really-From: Klaus Zaepke > so the original title is Megaherz, but it has to be megaherTz, I suppose... > or not? incidentally the school where I took the nuclear technician degree > is named after Heinrich Hertz (or Herz? but I think it is really Hertz...) Yes, "Megahertz" would be the "proper" spelling, but I think that the correct title is in fact "Megaherz". It is apparently a play on words (Herz = Heart). It's a similar joke as with Stratovarius / Stradivarius, I guess. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 15:47:20 -0300 Subject: Re: herz or hertz? Really-From: Eduardo Marcel Macan > play on words (Herz = Heart). It's a similar joke as with > Stratovarius / Stradivarius, I guess. > Klaus Zaepke I have always wondered whether it is a reference to the STRATOcaster guitars :) . Not probable, I think. - -- |\/| /\ ( /\ |\| ' +----Eduardo-Marcel-Macan------+---------------------------------------------+ | macan@dcc.unicamp.br | "I program my home computer, | | http://www.unicamp.br/~macan | beam myself into the future" --Kraftwerk | +------------------------------+---------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:04:59 +0000 Subject: Boot Really-From: "Jeroen" Could somebody say something about the KW boot Koln '71. I never heard of it. JJ at jjgeerts@worldaccess.nl Met vriendelijke groeten Jeroen J. Geerts private: jjgeerts@worldaccess.nl office: jjg.geerts@wa.dhv.nl Voor Pampus: J.J.Geerts / Havens ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #621 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #622 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 6 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 622 Re: herz or hertz? Aktivitaet 2 - 'The Return of Die Mensch Maschine' - Pt.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:00:11 +0200 Subject: Re: herz or hertz? Really-From: lbo At 20:17 04/07/96 +0200, you wrote: >Yes, "Megahertz" would be the "proper" spelling, but I think that the >correct title is in fact "Megaherz". It is apparently a >play on words (Herz = Heart). It's a similar joke as with >Stratovarius / Stradivarius, I guess. oooh, yes, now that I think, it should be like this! word plays! so they have a spirit, after all! :-) but then it was a long time ago... it was really strange for me to see pictures of Florian dressed up like a proper hippy with long hairs, flower shirts and sunglasses in the inner of the double lp Kraftwerk! then again he made a some jokes when he handed to the audience the little device they use when they porform Pocket calculator... also, in the same concert (Grassina-Firenze) when they performed Autobahn, they make some "false start": just played the beginning sample of the starting motor noise, and then silence for a short while... then Ralf said "Fiat..." another false start... "Lancia..." another one... "Ferrari..." another one and then the motor catch on... "Wolksvagen!" :-) sort of hidden advertisement? :-) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 05 Jul 96 13:03:36 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 2 - 'The Return of Die Mensch Maschine' - Pt.1 Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> THE RETURN OF DIE MENSCH MASCHINE Kraftwerk's three UK concerts of June 1992 Part 1 of 2 From Aktivitaet 2 - August 1992 Please note; Aktivitaet is unofficial and has no contact with Kraftwerk and their current members. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * June 1992 saw the return of Kraftwerk to play 3 concerts, less than a year after their last live appearances in the U.K. As seems to be the norm with Kraftwerk nowadays, news of the gigs came with little or no notice. Initially, it had been rumoured for a number of weeks previously that Kraftwerk were to take part in a proposed concert for the benefit of the Greenpeace anti-Sellafield campaign (REACT!) along with U2 and Public Enemy, to be held in Manchester. On Monday the 1st of June, the details of the Greenpeace concert were announced to the world; the event was to take place at the G- MEX centre in Manchester on the 19th of June and Kraftwerk were included on the bill, along with U2, Public Enemy and BAD II. Unfortunately, but inevitably, with U2 present it was obvious that demand for tickets would be high. The result; only personal callers to the Manchester Apollo box office from 5pm onward from June the 1st would be sold tickets. No credit card or mail order bookings accepted. Unsurprisingly, tickets sold-out quickly. (Allegedly! - it appears tickets *were* later available!) However, the good news came in the form of two low-key warm-up dates by Kraftwerk; in Norwich (at the U.E.A.) on the 17th and in Leicester the following day (at the Leicester Polytechnic Arena). News of the two gigs was spread amongst much of the Kraftwerk fraternity that had attended the convention back in January, with the result that a good few familiar faces were able to meet up once more, at one gig or the other, or even at both! Bearing in mind that both of the venues are quite small, both nights were well attended; the Leicester gig had in fact been reported in the NME (though where the rumoured 'three hour marathon set' came from is anybody's guess as it never happened!) LIVE AT THE U.E.A. - NORWICH - 17.6.92 by Ian Calder The Kraftwerk's entourage had made it to Norwich, as the numerous large vehicles in the car park and the faint sounds of 'The Robots', 'Numbers' and 'Computer World', audible to the queue now gathering outside, testified to. Was it really to happen, I wondered? Less than two and a half weeks previously was when I had learned of the possibility of these warm- up gigs that were to take place and it seemed incredible that having waited ten years before seeing them live for the first time last year I would now be seeing them again, less than a year after their last U.K. shows. Yes, it was to happen! As the doors were eventually opened, the crowd made their way inside. The space at the very front of the stage was swiftly annexed by the keenest fans and as ever, the black drapes masked the stage. At the back, a small merchandise stall was set up, selling three different designs of T-shirt, altered from last years designs. After some time, the familiar electronic bleeps that Kraftwerk have employed since the 1981 tours as some kind of subtle hint that the show's on its way were becoming audible; all part of the ritual..... Then, the electronic voice announces the return of 'Die Mensch Maschine ... Kraftwerk' and following that the first note of 'The Robots' is heard as the drapes are removed and it becomes obvious that 'Kling Klang' has made it from Duesseldorf once more, though in a different configuration to previous; all four members will be standing face-on to the crowd and will be very near, judging by how close 'Kling Klang' is. But first, 'The Robots'. Like last year, the four, large size video screens lower to reveal the bands robotic doppelgangers, waiting to engage in their electronic ballet dance, though there were changes this year, most notably the word ROBOTNIK projected throughout their 'dance'. Unlike some of the dates on last year's European tour, the necessary change has been made so that the newest member of Kraftwerk, Henning Schmitz (having replaced Fernando Abrantes) is represented in this robotic 'swan lake'! The Robots performed faultlessly tonight. As 'The Robots' fades out and the video screens return, the familiar, hypnotic 'eins, zwei, drei, vier' count of 'Numbers' commences and the insistent beat of the song comes to life, followed by the band entering the stage one by one to take up their places at their stations. Once again, it's spectacular stuff, the familiar rhythm blending with the number count, synchronising with the video backdrops perfectly, then merging into the melody of 'Computer World' to a large cheer as ever. These two songs really show Kraftwerk at their finest, the melodies, sounds and voices of 'Computer World' delivered faultlessly. The more I hear them, the more I wish that they had been included on 'The Mix'. In particular, 'Computer World' benefited from some very nice little rhythmical pauses now present. As the cheers subside, Ralf counts in 'The Model', still very similar to its recorded form, other than for the heavy rhythmical backing now employed. Ralf is in good form tonight, the vocals are excellent. In the background, the four video screens parade the black and white archive films of catwalkers from a glamorous, bygone age, vamping it up. The lighting is different this year though, with clear, crisp white light illuminating the stage, showing the group off to full potential and harmonising with the screens perfectly. This effect was first seen on last years European tour. From the left of the stage we have Ralf Huetter, Henning Schmitz, Fritz Hilpert and, of course, Florian Schneider. As ever, the lighting on stage is subdued, much of it coming from the video screens. It's all impressive stuff! Between songs the stage is in near darkness, save for the occasional camera flash. Next up, the red white and blue sleeve design for 'Tour De France' flickers onto the screens as a new, slow intro to the song unfurls, to the delight of the crowd. It's a nice start to the song, first heard on the European tour late last year. As the song progresses the ever present black and white archives are plundered once more, on a cycling theme this time contrasted with the bright colours that now illuminate the stage. It's an excellent version of one Kraftwerk's finest songs. The same comment can hardly be reserved for what follows. 'Autobahn' begins well enough, as the blue fluorescent tubes activate and merge with the blue and white road signs, silhouetting each Kraftwerk member against their video screen. As the rhythm kicks into life things begin to go awry; the synths are way out of tune with each other and the wrong sounds seem to be triggered at the wrong time. Whether they are experimenting or not is unclear but the look on Ralf's face as he stares at Florian suggests that he's not very amused either way! Things come together but go amiss later on in the song once more. There are some differences with the video backdrops for this song, in comparison to last year; at one point video's 1 and 3 show one sequence of film while video's 2 and 4 show something different; it's an interesting effect which could be tried out more often perhaps? There's a good atmosphere tonight between band and crowd. Often you won't get any between song comments from Ralf all night. Various comments from members of the audience provoke laughter from the rest. In particular, before the band launch into 'Radioactivity' there are numerous shouts offering to buy any spare tickets that the band may have for the 'Stop Sellafield' gig. As someone shouts "I'll meet you outside" it's met with Ralf's reply of "I'll walk in through the back entrance"! With that, 'Radioactivity' commences, with a different start from last year, just the electronic voice chewing the syllables of each word; 'TSCHERN-O-BEEL' - 'HARR-EES-BURG' - 'SELL-A-FE-ILD' - 'HEE- RO-SHEE-MA', devoid of the music until the 'morse code' signals start. Good stuff! The stage lights now emit a purple glow as the videos display the various graphics chosen to illustrate the song, with some new additions to re-inforce the lyrics; 'CHAIN REACTION' and 'CONTAMINATED POPULATION'. But that's not all! As Florian and Fritz turn round to face the audience they're alight! Small LEDs fitted onto their ties pulse on and off in a faint red glow. Nice touch! As the song ends, more shouts in hope of free tickets are to be heard, as well as "Like the tie Florian"! And with that 'Trans-Europe Express' commences and the railway tracks spin round dizzily in the background. They like their archive films, don't they! The start is different tonight though, with the electronic TRANS-EUROPE- EXPRESS words only, before Fritz presses the magic button and the rest of the music commences. I remember that during last years tour, Fritz would keep an eye on the video screens during 'Metal On Metal' to synchronise the images on screen to his electronic percussion; not tonight though. Again it's another fine rendition of one of Kraftwerk's finest songs, though I'm puzzled at the absence of David Bowie and Iggy Pop from the T.E.E. nowadays! Again, darkness between songs and now the shouts are for various Kraftwerk oldies; 'Neon Lights'! 'Hall of Mirrors'! 'Vom Himmel Hoch' !!! "You know all the songs", deadpans Ralf! Instead of these we get 'Music Non Stop'. This song is without a doubt one of the nightly improvisation sessions for the band (along with 'Pocket Calculator') as it never seems to be the same two nights running! Sadly, they seem to have dropped the spooky keyboard piece that creeps in towards the end, that was present from last years tours, but otherwise it's a good version, though much shorter than usual. In the background, excerpts from the promo video are displayed and I'm glad to see the little bit where the three dimensional musical notes appear to spill over from video screen to video screen is still present; a personal favourite. Like last year, the band exit the stage one by one, each receiving a cheer as they depart; Florian first followed by Fritz, then Henning. As Ralf removes his headset/mic. the music continues as the cheers multiply and once more the black drapes return to swathe the stage; darkness once more. The house lights don't come on, so it's pretty certain that they'll be back on for more and indeed they are, launching into 'Home Computer' as the curtains part to reveal the dimly lit stage. I have to say that this song has benefited from the more forceful backbeat (a la 'Numbers') now employed. Also, this is one of my favourites for the video backdrops; all those coloured computer components zooming around. Things aren't quite right though; some kind of high pitched electronic whine can be heard, which sends Florian into a spell of swapping leads and wires about. As the song continues, Ralf lapses into a verse of 'Heimcomputer'. Staying in place, the band next perform 'Computer Love'; another colourful display courtesy of the video screens; spectrum analyser's agogo in full colour. It's one of the few songs where Fritz is equipped with drum sticks to add little flourishes of electronic percussion. The song remains pretty well faithful to the version presented on 'The Mix' and as the song comes to a halt the curtains close once more... After what seems like ages, the opening melody of 'Pocket Calculator' can be heard from behind the drapes along with some impatient bleeps ... and then the four Kraftwerker's are there, only feet away, equipped with their mini-keyboards/sequencers, with Ralf treating us to some updated hybrid of the hand jive when not singing the words! Always a highlight of a Kraftwerk concert is this song and tonight is no exception. Alas, for those at the very front, the band don't pass round the keyboards to the audience tonight, though Ralf does enquire to the audience, "Do they have music courses at the university?" And as the music continues, the curtains slowly close, for the last time tonight ... and with some final keyboard 'splurges' the music is over. Despite the roar of the crowd, the house lights come on, the show is over. - - END OF PART ONE -- ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #622 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #623 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 7 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 623 Re: Electronic / Karl Bartos collaboration Re: Komputer release Re: Techno-Pop Re: Electronic Website Re: Cologne 1971 Bootleg Aktivitaet 2/3 - 'The Return of Die Mensch Maschine' - Pt.2 Electric Cafe low price ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:05:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Electronic / Karl Bartos collaboration Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that >says: 'unsubscribe kraftwerk' and 'unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest' in the >message body. All messages sent to this list are automatically made available >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Brendan Heading > > >Hello kraftwerk mailing list, I believe you were talking about Electronic / >Karl Bartos collaboration when you said... > >>I've heard the new Electronic single 'Forbidden City' on which Karl Bartos >>plays keyboards. Anyone expecting a song that resembles kraftwerks output >>will be sorely disappointed. It's basically a guitar driven mainstream rock >>song. Why Karl Bartos got involved in this is beyond me. Maybe he's running >>short of cash. > >Brian's news seems to be about two week's after everyone else's :-) At least >that proves that it's actually true :-) > >>Brian > The album is quite good. Indeed most reviews which I've read say that Bartos has influenced the record in a big way. The Times actually said that the album forms the missing link between 80s synth pop (Human League) and 90's indie pop (Lightning Seeds). ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:06:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Komputer release Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >There is a short article about the band Komputer in the current >issue of the UK music paper Melody Maker. Apparently their >'Komputer' EP will be released July 8th in the UK on Mute, on Will son of Komputer be called Mikroproseccor. How silly! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:12:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Techno-Pop Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that >says: 'unsubscribe kraftwerk' and 'unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest' in the >message body. All messages sent to this list are automatically made available >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" > > >In an earlier mail someone did ask the question if anyone has a copy >of the first Techno-Pop album. >No one answered so far. >I'm interested in this album,too. >Claudio I'd also like to know if anyone actually has this album. Unfortunately I've seen several bootleg albums called Technopop, so beware of anyone claiming to have the original. Incidentally, I've found a shop in London which is selling Electric Cafe for 7.99 sterling. At this price even I decided to buy it. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:15:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Electronic Website Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Information on Electronic's new releases can be found at > http://www.wbr.com/electronic. >There's very little information on Karl Bartos and his involvement, though. > > Klaus Zaepke > > The Times talks a little about the involvement of Karl Bartos in its review section on Friday 5th July. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 06 Jul 96 16:51:00 EDT Subject: Re: Cologne 1971 Bootleg Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: "Jeroen" > > Could somebody say something about the KW boot > Koln '71. I never heard of it. Since no-one else has had a go... It is a recording from the time when Kraftwerk comprised Florian Schneider, Klaus Dinger and Michael Rother - i.e. during the six month period when Ralf Huetter was not a member of the band. The sound quality is not great; its rather 'dull' sounding, mono and a little distorted too - definitely lo-fi. But listenable, yes. The tracks featured are mainly in the vein of some of the more 'rock'-based tracks from 'Kraftwerk' (1) - i.e. 'Stratovarius', 'Vom Himmel Hoch' and also the track that they performed on German TV in 1971. So, the flavour is very much elongated, distorted guitar riffs, heavy drumming, with lots of cymbals too, topped off with Florian's distinctive echoed flute all gradually increasing in tempo to a fast climax. Not a lot of electronics I'm afraid. Rother's guitar is by far the most prominent ingredient. The first track lasts about six minutes or so. It is referred to as 'Stratovarius' - if it is then it is merely one particular section of that track - it does have a similar feel to the main, guitar-riff driven middle portion of that track - but you couldn't say that it's definitely the same music. However, the second track is definitely a version of 'Ruckzuck' - but at a slower tempo and much, much longer in duration (over the 20 minute mark!). The third and final track is once more in a similar vein - a heavy 4/4 drum beat with a repeated distorted guitar riff throughout gradually building and building in tempo, with some odd electronic noises (most likely Florian's flute fed through the effects units as per the German TV track) lurking about as well. This is labelled as 'Vom Himmel Hoch' but it sounds nothing at all like that track - its more like 'Ruckzuck' at 16RPM ! Its about 14 minutes or so in length. Its available on picture-disc vinyl and on a couple of recent live CDs too - 'Bremen', 'Koeln '71'. If you don't like 'Kraftwerk' (1) then forget this! Ian Calder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Drehen wir am Radiophon ... Vernehmem wir den Sendeton." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 06 Jul 96 16:48:38 EDT Subject: Aktivitaet 2/3 - 'The Return of Die Mensch Maschine' - Pt.2 Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> THE RETURN OF DIE MENSCH MASCHINE Kraftwerk's three UK concerts of June 1992 Part 2 of 2 From Aktivitaet 2 (August 1992) and Aktivitaet 3 (January 1993) LEICESTER POLYTECHNIC ARENA - 18.6.92 by Ian Calder The second of the two warm-up dates was at a similar venue, in Leicester. As before, tickets were on sale at the door and a queue was beginning to form from early on. Long before the gig, those gathering outside were treated to the sight of Florian, leaning outside a window in the venue, holding a conversation on a portable 'phone while the music for 'The Robots' could be heard thumping away! Within a few minutes he was gone! For this gig the band played the same set of songs, in the same order, as for the previous gig. 'Autobahn' was much improved, though still shorter than the version found on 'The Mix'; the funky little keyboard part that follows the doppler-effect engine roars is absent, as is the electronic yodelling! During 'Radioactivity' all four band members sported the LED ties, much to the approval of the crowd. 'Trans-Europe Express' started off differently from Norwich, with the familiar rhythm starting the song and this was also used at G-MEX. Although there were no between-song comments from Ralf a good atmosphere was present in the crowd, lots of shouting and dancing and during 'Pocket Calculator' the band did offer their keyboard/sequencers to the crowd for a small period of audience participation, while Ralf added the comment that "anybody can make electronic music"! Minor differences were noticeable with the video projections and at the start of the show there was a longer period before the appearance of The Robots which gave the opportunity to show part of the animated 'robot dance' video sequence. On both nights, if you waited for long enough after the gig, Ralf dutifully signed autographs and answered questions from fans, for a few minutes, before all four members headed off into the distance ... in their hired white Ford Transit van... Set list for both Norwich and Leicester; 'The Robots', 'Numbers', 'Computer World', 'The Model', 'Tour De France', 'Autobahn', 'Radioactivity', 'Trans-Europe Express'- 'Abzug'-'Metal On Metal', 'Music Non Stop', 'Home Computer', 'Computer Love' and 'Pocket Calculator'. 'STOP SELLAFIELD' - MANCHESTER G-MEX - 19.6.92 by Ian Calder (Appeared in Aktivitaet 2 only) From the Kraftwerk point of view, the 'Stop Sellafield' show was something of an anti-climax. Bearing in mind that this show was the main reason why the band were in England, it must have been disappointing for them to play to a largely empty hall, with few of those present actually there to see Kraftwerk... From the reports that I've heard, there was no atmosphere to the performance when Kraftwerk were on stage, which must have been in stark comparison to both the band and to the fans who had also seen the two warm-up shows. It was no surprise though, I suppose, as Kraftwerk were the first band on, taking to the stage at about 6.30pm and finishing by about 7.15. The band played a similar setlist to the warm-up gigs, except that they stopped after the 'Trans-Europe Express' suite; so, they *did not* play 'Music Non Stop', 'Home Computer', 'Computer Love' and 'Pocket Calculator'. The concert was filmed for TV and it seems likely by the time this issue is printed that highlights of the gig will have been shown on some, perhaps all, ITV regions. ** Apparently, Florian was less than happy about some of the roving cameraman's angles and was seen to make his feelings clear in a very graphic display of , ahem, 'body language'! Bet you won't see that on TV! *** Live tape recordings of all three concerts have since surfaced and while reading the classified ads in last weeks NME I noticed that a video of the Leicester show was being offered for sale! Many fans no doubt felt that last years tours would probably be the last time that Kraftwerk would play live for quite a few years, if not indeed for the *last* time. But they've surprised everyone with these unexpected gigs and all I can say is I'm glad! They've proved once more what an excellent live experience they are and I just hope that it's not too long till I next see them live. Here's to the next time Ralf, Florian, Fritz and Henning! ** A show featuring some highlights of the concert *was* broadcast, but only to some regions. It was later released, in further edited form, as the 'Stop Sellafield' video - it features two Kraftwerk performances - 'Radioactivity' and 'The Robots' but is spoiled a bit by the overzealous use of ideological facts/footage which intrude on the actual performance of 'Radioactivity' far too much. *** Indeed not! 'STOP SELLAFIELD' - MANCHESTER G-MEX - 19.6.92 by Ian Floyd (Appeared in Aktivitaet 3 and 'Retro 1') On entering the giant G-MEX Centre complex on a warm Friday tea-time, it was hard to believe that fifteen years ago, I used to park my car in here every morning before going to work in the office. In those days it was desolate. Red brick walls, blackened by time (and exhaust fumes no doubt). The glass roof dirtied by years of uncleaned muck, grime and pigeon crap. Over a decade, and a few million pounds refurbishment work later, and what a difference. A huge hall, overlooked by a huge stage. Victorian architectural achievement brought into the modern world. We entered the vast theatre at around 6.15 pm, through the foyer full of anti-Sellafield paraphernalia. On reaching the huge, seated area, we could already hear the bleeps of the Kraftwerk computer fill the air. It did not take us very long to find our seats - Block Z, right at the back! We were at least the length of three football pitches from the stage. Without warning, the massive, black curtains opened and 'The Robots' danced away to the opening number. We noticed that the security bods weren't bothered about people making their way to the front, through all the section barriers. Up we got, a quick sprint through the various sections of seats towards the stage and we ended up reasonably near the front. By the time we were shunted into some seats by the yellow bibbed security chaps, Kraftwerk had entered the proceedings and were into their rendition of 'Numbers'. Following straight after was 'Computer World' and I noticed the audience for the first time. Most were taking a polite interest, some were talking away to each other, others were questioning others about their seating arrangements! Very off-putting when you're trying to watch your favourite group. 'The Model' came next. A few recognised the number 1 hit from 1982 and a few even managed to get up and dance. By the time 'Tour De France' came along, many had started drifting away, no doubt to go to the bar or to buy some U2 merchandise! 'Autobahn' brought a few handclaps and recognition from the not very intrigued audience... I thought 'Radioactivity' might have raised some sort of response, as this was what the concert was all about - but the apathy remained. The excellent 'Trans-Europe Express' was performed - then that was it. The curtains closed and that was that - no encores! Emptiness! Less than 300 people watched the group, in a vast expanse that 9000 people would later fill to watch U2. On the positive side, it was good to see Kraftwerk playing back in Manchester only eleven months after their last visit! Unfortunately, they were paying 'lip service' to unadventurous Radio 1 listeners who were only there to see the supergroup who were to appear as the headline act, four hours later. In conclusion, my advice to Kraftwerk would be - DON'T DO THIS AGAIN! Set list for Manchester G-MEX 'The Robots', 'Numbers', 'Computer World', 'The Model', 'Tour De France', 'Autobahn', 'Radioactivity', 'Trans-Europe Express'- 'Abzug'-'Metal On Metal'. - - END -- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 07:48:43 +0200 Subject: Electric Cafe low price Really-From: lbo >I've found a shop in London which is >selling Electric Cafe for 7.99 sterling. At this price even I decided to buy it. well, I don't want to be wrong, but in Italy too all K cd (Radioactivity, TEE, ManM, CW, EC) are now offered on low price series at a similar price, 21.000 lire, all but The Mix. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #623 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #624 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 8 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 624 Let's Trade! Mailing lists at cs.uwp.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 14:53:47 -0400 Subject: Let's Trade! Really-From: NLavely@aol.com I think we should all get together and trade some bootlegs. I trade tapes a lot & I know how hard it is to find Kraftwerk bootlegs. I know that a lot of different people here have a lot of different bootlegs. I have been trading bootlegs for 2 years on the net and have only come across a total of 9 Kraftwerk boots. We could all send our lists to one person & maybe post them on a web page & we could see each others lists & offer trades. I could facilitate that if you want to persue this idea...what does everyone think? nick ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:58:17 -0500 Subject: Mailing lists at cs.uwp.edu Really-From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta) I have been asked by the owner of cs.uwp.edu to reduce the number of lists running on the machine. Current plans are to replace the machine with a new one as soon as possible. At this point, I don't have the time to set up the majordomo list software on another machine. The reason for this message is to find out if there are people currently on the lists who may be able to make them available on other sites. I have been told that I don't have to kill the lists now but I should expect to move them off at some point in the near future. My guess is that nothing will happen until at least January 1997. The lists currently running here are: aftertouch-cafe cmc eloy emdreams hats jarre kraftwerk mood-control new-age-radio numan omd post-classical space-music tadream yello The eloy, mood-control, and post-classical lists have not had any traffic since early May and early June. Those lists will probably be removed first. - -- ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #624 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #625 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 9 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 625 Re: Mailing lists at cs.uwp.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 00:28:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Mailing lists at cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Luther Welsh David Datta sez: >I have been asked by the owner of cs.uwp.edu to reduce the number of >lists running on the machine. [snip] >The reason for this message is to find out if there are people >currently on the lists who may be able to make them available on other >sites. OK guys. Gotta find a new site for this mailing list. As part of their "giving back to the net" program, AOL will host lists they deem worthy. There are a ton of KW subscribers from AOL. Why not band together and ask AOL? If any AOLer wants to take the lead on this, send me private email and I'll send you a list of all the AOL KW subscribers. - --Luke ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #625 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #626 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 10 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 626 Telex??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 9 JUL 96 15:05:13 EDT Subject: Telex??? Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Hi, I am curious if anyone knows of this group Telex. I heard them for the first time last evening and was quite impressed. Their use of their instruments and most song structure was quite intricate and striking. Sounds blended well and vocoder passages were clever and pleasing. I did not like some of the melodies and lyrics yet there is a strong kraftwerk undertone to their music. The album I heard was Neurovision released in 1979. I would have to say that they mastered their instruments as well as Kraftwerk had...maybe even better! Can someone provide any info on the band? ie records, instruments, still active, based in France?, splinter groups? I would like to chase down more of their material. Also, what is new on the Kraftwerk front? I've been off the list for two years. Can someone fill me in? Thanks, Philip Pilgrim ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #626 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #627 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 11 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 627 Re: Telex??? More Info on Telex Re: Telex??? Lists Lists Heippa! Heipparallaa! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:40:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Telex??? Really-From: goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be (Emmanuel Goedseels) >I am curious if anyone knows of this group Telex. I heard them for the firs= t >time last evening and was quite impressed. Their use of their instruments a= nd >most song structure was quite intricate and striking. Sounds blended well a= nd >vocoder passages were clever and pleasing. I did not like some of the >melodies and lyrics yet there is a strong kraftwerk undertone to their musi= c. >The album I heard was Neurovision released in 1979. I would have to say tha= t >they mastered their instruments as well as Kraftwerk had...maybe even bette= r! >Can someone provide any info on the band? ie records, instruments, still >active, based in France?, splinter groups? I would like to chase down more = of >their material. Hello, With a lot of pretention, I dare to say that I am one of best experts in= Telex . Telex is not a French band but a Belgian band. They are French speaking (as I am) and released their first records in French and in English. They have their own studio in Brussels and they released several LPs : Looking For St.Tropez Neurovision Sex (titled "Birds & Bees" in UK) Wonderful World Looney Tunes two "best of" : More Than Distance (with a lot of extra tracks) & Les rythmes automatiques (remixes). In '93, a CD box set was relaesed with all these CD's, it is called "Belgium One Point" in reference to their funny performance at the Eurovision Song Contest in '80. Telex is known as an important electronic band, aside Kraftwerk and Yellow Magic Orchestra. They reached N=B01 in several charts with their hit "Moskow Diskow". They (this is a trio) are also famous for their "Belgian sense of humour", quiet absurd actually. If you have listenned to "Neurovision" you should have noticed it : "We Are All Getting Old", an very electronic song for a common statement "Tour De France" (before Kraftwerk version) with a very strong French accent "Eurovision" is about the song contest "A/B" is about the difficult choice to put a song on the "a side" or the "b side",.... Telex still exists but has not released a new album for 10 years. They are even worst than Kraftwerk I wrote their almost complete discography in a file which is available at this URL :"http://www.lysator.liu.se/~svend/music-files/Telex/discog This discog is quite impressive as Telex never signed worlwide contract. In each country they were released, the sleeve and the tracks listing of a record were different. The members alos produced a lot of others artists such as Thomas Dolby, Sparks, Lio,... A biography is also available at this URL : www.netbeat.com This web site is hold by their label. I hope I have given you more info about this "extraordinary" band. Regards Emmanuel goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:31:38 +0100 Subject: More Info on Telex Really-From: goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be (Emmanuel Goedseels) In a previous message, I wrote about Telex biography on the Net. As this biography is quiet difficult to locate on this site, I would suggest to go directly to http://www.netbeat.com/artists/a10.htm You will find the biography + a few pictures of the band Regards Emmanuel goedseels.bouillon@skynet.be ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:58:07 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Telex??? Really-From: dcakl006@mod.nl (ir D. Barth) > I am curious if anyone knows of this group Telex. I heard them for the first Yes, This group once entered the Eurovision songcontest. and was the first (and last) not using the orchestra but only their own synths. They played for Belgium because the group is a Belgium group. The song they played was called Eurovision, but because all the commotion, they rerecorded the song as Neurovision (hence the title). That album is the only one I have, but there must at least exist a few others. Their greatest (local) hit was Moscow Discow. I prefer to compare them with Giorgio Moroder and in my opinion they are on a musical level far from KW. I like their creativity. For example their cover from Rock around the clock. > Thanks, > Philip Pilgrim > ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca Regards, Erik Barth barth@dcakl.army.mod.nl ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:04:33 -0400 Subject: Lists Really-From: Pedde@aol.com Please send me any lists of Kraftwerk and if it's possible send me a price-list of the Vinyls. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! fax:040-7219326 Greatings,pedde ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:08:11 -0400 Subject: Lists Really-From: Pedde@aol.com Please send me any lists of Kraftwerk and if it's possible send me a price-list of the Vinyls. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! fax:040-7219326 Greatings,pedde ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:20:55 +0300 Subject: Heippa! Really-From: Timo Stjernberg K=E4vin t=E4n=E4 y=F6n=E4 katselemassa "kirjeenvaihtoilmoituksia" netist=E4= ja l=F6ysin nimesi ja osoitteesi. P=E4=E4tin kokeilla heitt=E4=E4 emaililla.= Mainittakoon heti alkuun, ett=E4 kotisivultani (www.icon.fi/~timstje/) l=F6ytyy huomattava m=E4=E4r=E4 tietoa allekirjoittaneesta, joten suosittelen tutustumista siihen... :) =20 Vaikka olen koko pienen ik=E4ni ollut tietokoneiden kimpussa, olen vasta hiljattain "tullut osaksi netti=E4". Kirjeenvaihtoilmoituksiin en= tavallisesti reagoi, mutta nyt on netti tehnyt asian helpoksi ja nopeaksi ja niinp=E4 min=E4kin p=E4=E4tin uskaltaa. Ai miksik=F6 sinun kannattaisi ryhty=E4 kirjeenvaihtoon juuri minun= kanssani? Hmm.=20 No: Olen eritt=E4in innokas kirjoittaja. Pid=E4n pitkist=E4 viesteist=E4 ja= pid=E4n muutenkin kirjoittamisesta. Minun kanssa on helppo yst=E4vysty=E4.= Keskustelen avoimesti ja rehellisesti.=20 Kannattaa tutustua. :-) Muutama perusasia minusta: - -2.9.96: 25 ik=E4vuotta! - -Harrastukset: Musiikin s=E4velt=E4minen, valokuvaus, netti, elektroniikka, =E4=E4niteknologia ym sekoilu... - -Ty=F6: Videoeditointi, TV-ohjelmien koosto ja kaikki muu TV-tekninen= sekoilu... - -Ty=F6paikka: On (HSR/TV, Kerava) - -Auto: On (Nissan Micra) - -Asunto: On (2h+kk, 50m2) - -El=E4m=E4nkatsomus: Kristillinen - -El=E4m=E4nkumppani: Ei ole Uteliaisuuteni on tietenkin kova: - -Miss=E4 asut? - -Mit=E4 harrastat? - -Miten jouduit Internettiin ja kuinka kauan sitten? - -Onko sinulla kotisivua ja jos niin miss=E4 osoitteessa? - -Opiskeletko? - -Mit=E4 kuuluu? =20 Ett=E4 sik=E4li, reply=E4 kun ehdit/viitsit. Olisi mukava tutustua. ***Timppa ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 04:20:59 +0300 Subject: Heipparallaa! Really-From: Timo Stjernberg K=E4vin t=E4n=E4 y=F6n=E4 katselemassa "kirjeenvaihtoilmoituksia" netist=E4= ja l=F6ysin nimesi ja osoitteesi. P=E4=E4tin kokeilla heitt=E4=E4 emaililla.= Mainittakoon heti alkuun, ett=E4 kotisivultani (www.icon.fi/~timstje/) l=F6ytyy huomattava m=E4=E4r=E4 tietoa allekirjoittaneesta, joten suosittelen tutustumista siihen... :) =20 Vaikka olen koko pienen ik=E4ni ollut tietokoneiden kimpussa, olen vasta hiljattain "tullut osaksi netti=E4". Kirjeenvaihtoilmoituksiin en= tavallisesti reagoi, mutta nyt on netti tehnyt asian helpoksi ja nopeaksi ja niinp=E4 min=E4kin p=E4=E4tin uskaltaa. Ai miksik=F6 sinun kannattaisi ryhty=E4 kirjeenvaihtoon juuri minun= kanssani? Hmm.=20 No: Olen eritt=E4in innokas kirjoittaja. Pid=E4n pitkist=E4 viesteist=E4 ja= pid=E4n muutenkin kirjoittamisesta. Minun kanssa on helppo yst=E4vysty=E4.= Keskustelen avoimesti ja rehellisesti.=20 Kannattaa tutustua. :-) Muutama perusasia minusta: - -2.9.96: 25 ik=E4vuotta! - -Harrastukset: Musiikin s=E4velt=E4minen, valokuvaus, netti, elektroniikka, =E4=E4niteknologia ym sekoilu... - -Ty=F6: Videoeditointi, TV-ohjelmien koosto ja kaikki muu TV-tekninen= sekoilu... - -Ty=F6paikka: On (HSR/TV, Kerava) - -Auto: On (Nissan Micra) - -Asunto: On (2h+kk, 50m2) - -El=E4m=E4nkatsomus: Kristillinen - -El=E4m=E4nkumppani: Ei ole Uteliaisuuteni on tietenkin kova: - -Miss=E4 asut? - -Mit=E4 harrastat? - -Miten jouduit Internettiin ja kuinka kauan sitten? - -Onko sinulla kotisivua ja jos niin miss=E4 osoitteessa? - -Opiskeletko? - -Mit=E4 kuuluu? =20 Ett=E4 sik=E4li, reply=E4 kun ehdit/viitsit. Olisi mukava tutustua. ***Timppa ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #627 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #628 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 12 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 628 Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) Re: Electric Cafe low price Re: Mailing lists at cs.uwp.edu Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) Berlin Unwrapped Re: Mailing lists at cs.uwp.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:08:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) Really-From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) >Really-From: Timo Stjernberg >K=E4vin t=E4n=E4 y=F6n=E4 katselemassa "kirjeenvaihtoilmoituksia" >netist=E4= ja l=F6ysin nimesi ja osoitteesi. P=E4=E4tin kokeilla >heitt=E4=E4 emaililla.= >Mainittakoon heti >alkuun, ett=E4 >kotisivultani (www.icon.fi/~timstje/) l=F6ytyy huomattava m=E4=E4r=E4 >tietoa allekirjoittaneesta, joten suosittelen tutustumista siihen... >:) =20 >Ett=E4 sik=E4li, reply=E4 kun ehdit/viitsit. Olisi mukava tutustua. >***Timppa Is it just me or is everybody else receiving these encrypted messages too? |_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:22:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) Really-From: pjschill@students.wisc.edu (Paul Schilling) > Is it just me or is everybody else receiving these encrypted >messages too? > You mean you don't understand Finnish? :) Heippa! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:23:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Electric Cafe low price Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that >says: 'unsubscribe kraftwerk' and 'unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest' in the >message body. All messages sent to this list are automatically made available >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: lbo > > >>I've found a shop in London which is >>selling Electric Cafe for 7.99 sterling. At this price even I decided to >buy it. > >well, I don't want to be wrong, but in Italy too all K cd (Radioactivity, >TEE, ManM, CW, EC) are now offered on low price series at a similar price, >21.000 lire, all but The Mix. > Glad to hear this. Unfortunately in England most kraftwerk albums are overpriced. Often about 15 pounds for the CD. Italy is obviously the place to be. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:27:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Mailing lists at cs.uwp.edu Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >David Datta sez: > >>I have been asked by the owner of cs.uwp.edu to reduce the number of >>lists running on the machine. >[snip] >>The reason for this message is to find out if there are people >>currently on the lists who may be able to make them available on other >>sites. > >OK guys. Gotta find a new site for this mailing list. > >As part of their "giving back to the net" program, AOL will host lists >they deem worthy. There are a ton of KW subscribers from AOL. Why not >band together and ask AOL? > >If any AOLer wants to take the lead on this, send me private email and >I'll send you a list of all the AOL KW subscribers. > >--Luke > This sounds like an excellent idea. However, if it proves impossible I offer to adopt this list and pick up any associated costs. This would not be my favoured option. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:39:11 +0100 Subject: Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that >says: 'unsubscribe kraftwerk' and 'unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest' in the >message body. All messages sent to this list are automatically made available >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) > > >>Really-From: Timo Stjernberg > >>K=E4vin t=E4n=E4 y=F6n=E4 katselemassa "kirjeenvaihtoilmoituksia" >>netist=E4= ja l=F6ysin nimesi ja osoitteesi. P=E4=E4tin kokeilla >>heitt=E4=E4 emaililla.= >>Mainittakoon heti >>alkuun, ett=E4 >>kotisivultani (www.icon.fi/~timstje/) l=F6ytyy huomattava m=E4=E4r=E4 >>tietoa allekirjoittaneesta, joten suosittelen tutustumista siihen... >>:) =20 > >>Ett=E4 sik=E4li, reply=E4 kun ehdit/viitsit. Olisi mukava tutustua. >>***Timppa > > > Is it just me or is everybody else receiving these encrypted >messages too? > > >|_ |\/| --- L.Meyer@ix.netcom.com > To say I write unsupportable nonsense!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:39:56 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Berlin Unwrapped Really-From: Lars Nellemann Hi all Lovers of contemporary German Techno and electronic music should check out the album "Berlin Unwrapped" from the makers of Volume. It's an double CD containing 21 exclusive new recordings from Berlins prime movers and Love Parade regulars. The album comes with a 100 pages booklet with more than 200 pictures from the Love parade and Berlin (The wrapped Reichtag). The booklet fetures artist, labels, clubs and more - the double CD-set even contains a 7 min Video from the "Love Parade" and from British demonstrations against "the criminal Justice bill" The "Love Parade" is the worlds biggest Techno/Electronica festival taking place in the streets of Berlin, last year several hundred thousands attended. It is not allowed to make a public music festival in berlin, but it is allowed to make political demonstrations - so this was formed as an demonstration for Love and Peace. Maybe some of our German list-members can give more accurate info on the Love parade! The Tracks are Ocean Club: Die Sonne Chris Zippel: Raven Ford Prefect: Pure Fiction TR727: Blaze II Thomas Fehlman: Hermosa Beach 3 Phase: Early Sun Cal-q-later: Misunderstood Josh Wink: Breath Blake Baxter: Inside and Out Clubheroes: Da lost temptation Paul van Dyk: Seven ways Effective Force: Back and to the left Holy Language: Fireplace Sun Electric: Flat and Endless General Magic: Thaw Fridge Hoenerloh: Third exit of straker house Ellen Alien: Lick it Marc de Clark: Acid train Amorph: La ragoux Deep space network: Snow bunker Time unlimited: Men from wadohem Love, Peace and Bumshorts: The movie. I find that the album os a Tour de Force in the latest from the german Techno/Electronica scene - some tracks are great, some is strange and some is shit. The album is available through mailorder - check out their homepage: www.demon.co.uk/volume - -- ******************************************************************** * Lars Nellemann * I'm confused - Like a thirsty * * nelleman@biobase.dk * baby in a topless bar ! * * National Hospital of Denmark * ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Mailing lists at cs.uwp.edu Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > OK guys. Gotta find a new site for this mailing list. I'll be taking moving this list (and the three other cs.uwp.edu music lists that I run -- hats, jarre, and yello) to another site. Details will be posted when available, but the change should be pretty simple for most folks. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #628 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #629 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 13 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 629 Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) Are the remasters worth it? Some live boots Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #628 Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:27:16 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) Really-From: Iggy Drougge On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu that > says: 'unsubscribe kraftwerk' and 'unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest' in the > message body. All messages sent to this list are automatically made available > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Really-From: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) > > > >Really-From: Timo Stjernberg > > >K=E4vin t=E4n=E4 y=F6n=E4 katselemassa "kirjeenvaihtoilmoituksia" > >netist=E4= ja l=F6ysin nimesi ja osoitteesi. P=E4=E4tin kokeilla > >heitt=E4=E4 emaililla.= > >Mainittakoon heti > >alkuun, ett=E4 > >kotisivultani (www.icon.fi/~timstje/) l=F6ytyy huomattava m=E4=E4r=E4 > >tietoa allekirjoittaneesta, joten suosittelen tutustumista siihen... > >:) =20 > > >Ett=E4 sik=E4li, reply=E4 kun ehdit/viitsit. Olisi mukava tutustua. > >***Timppa > > > Is it just me or is everybody else receiving these encrypted > messages too? It's Finnish, and your terminal probably can't handle the ISO encoding for the special characters. =-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=->X<-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+-=-+X+- // Mail: optimus@canit.se Y Transformer collector| // \X/ Mail: unniggy@algonet.se | Amiga user | \X/ WWW: http://www.canit.se/~optimus | Sonic Code: Sal+++!^ |SWEDEN RULES!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 05:03:27 -0500 Subject: Are the remasters worth it? Really-From: "A. D. Alvarez" Howdy... I'm a new listmember and I wanted to ask a question to all assembled here... I bought the three CD set of KRAFTWERK--THE CAPITOL YEARS a few years ago...now I notice there are new single discs of all three albums (Radioactivity, The Man-Machine, Trans Europe Express) which say that they have been remastered. Are the single disks the same ones as in the box set, or are they of more recent vintage? If so, are the single disks worth acquiring for the sound quality? AD Alvarez ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:58:29 MET Subject: Some live boots Really-From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" I want to know something about the best KW live boots. Especially the boots of the 1990 secret italian-tour. Thanks Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Creativity and innovation prevents a constant stagnation ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:26:00 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #628 Really-From: ARKZIN_ZG@ZAMIR-ZG.ZTN.APC.ORG (ARKzin Zagreb) Dear kraftwerk, Zagreb, 12.07.96 This is an reaction on the message "kraftwerk-digest V2 #628" which you wrote on 12.07.96 on cs.uwp.edu. - --------- >Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) >k: Really-From: >k: l.meyer@ix.netcom.com (L. Meyer ) >k: >k: >Really-From: Timo Stjernberg >k: >K=E4vin t=E4n=E4 y=F6n=E4 katselemassa >k: >"kirjeenvaihtoilmoituksia" netist=E4= ja l=F6ysin >k: >nimesi ja osoitteesi. P=E4=E4tin kokeilla heitt=E4=E4 >k: >Is it just me or is everybody else receiving these >k: >encrypted messages too? >k: >k: You mean you don't understand Finnish? :) >k: Heippa! >Just like you don't understand Croatian! >Bok svima na Kraftwerk listi iz Hrvatske! >Dadi ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 02:48:49 +0200 Subject: Re: Heipparallaa! (What???) Really-From: lbo At 10:08 11/07/96 -0700, you wrote: >>Ett=E4 sik=E4li, reply=E4 kun ehdit/viitsit. Olisi mukava tutustua. >>***Timppa > Is it just me or is everybody else receiving these encrypted >messages too? mitta kulu! this is not encrypted, is plain finnish with >128 ascii characters badly translated, anyway I did not received it. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #629 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #630 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 15 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 630 Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 01:33:32 +0100 Subject: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP Really-From: RobbY Sorry, but can someone please tell me where I get the latest kraftwerk-mails else than by being subscribed to the list all the time? The mails at Anders Wilhelms (?) kraftwerk-infobahr-page aren=B4t very new (March =B495 ?), also at= "http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/k/kraftwerk/". Where are all the messages automatically made available? Thanks very much! Robby. \\\\ ( o o ) ************oOO**(_)**OOo***************************************************= *** ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #630 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #631 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 16 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 631 Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP Hello there (and a question) Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP -Reply Re: Hello there (and a question) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:26:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP Really-From: datta@archive.uwp.edu In article <4sc0vb$9dn@news.inc.net> you wrote: : Really-From: RobbY Digests are made immediately available via the Majordomo mail server. Send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu and say: index kraftwerk for a list of files available. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 15 Jul 96 13:14:00 GMT Subject: Hello there (and a question) Really-From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Hi ! I'm a new subscriber, my name's Mike I'm 26 and live in the West Midlands in the UK. And my question is; Towards the end of Airwaves on the Cleopatra release of Radioactivity there can faintly be heard a voice shouting in German. Does anyone know what is being said (in english please) and who is saying it ? Thanking you all in advance, Mike ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:41:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP -Reply Really-From: Jeroen Geerts ** High Priority ** index kraftwerk ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:30:54 -0400 Subject: Re: Hello there (and a question) Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Since this list is absolutely DEAD right now, I thought I might as well reply. I've never heard this "shouting" - I would like more information on it - as i am a nut about little things like this....if you could give more info - like what the time is on the CD - i'd like to hear it..... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #631 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #632 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 17 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 632 Airwaves shouting Re: Airwaves shouting Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP Hello, Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP -Reply Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 16 Jul 96 14:58:00 GMT Subject: Airwaves shouting Really-From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk I'll be checking the Radioactivity CD tonight for the exact time the 'shouting' occurs. Expect an answer wednesday morning (GMT). Heres another question:- Are those little round badges with the Kraftwerk traffic cone & logo I saw in my local record shop recently an example of genuine merchandise? They looked a bit rusty so they appear to be quite old. Mike. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:58:56 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: Airwaves shouting Really-From: kock@kockens.pp.se (J Kock) - --------------------------------------------------------- >To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu >that says: 'unsubscribe kraftwerk' and 'unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest' in the >message body. All messages sent to this list are automatically made available >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Really-From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk > > > >I'll be checking the Radioactivity CD tonight for the exact time the >'shouting' occurs. Expect an answer wednesday morning (GMT). >Heres another question:- > >Are those little round badges with the Kraftwerk traffic cone & logo I saw >in my local record shop recently an example of genuine merchandise? They >looked a bit rusty so they appear to be quite old. > > Mike. Hello. I am new to the list (got connected yesterday) I am 28years of age and is living in Sweden. The badges with the trafic cone is not rare. I have a couple, and i know where to buy more. So they are all over the world i think. Grtz. - -----kock@kockens.pp.se-----SysOp at Kockens BBS +4646250256-----Atari Only----- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 19:32:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Digests are made immediately available via the Majordomo mail server. KML>Send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu and say: KML> index kraftwerk ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Do I have to write "index kraftwerk" in the subject line or in the message-text? Greetinx Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 19:35:00 +0200 Subject: Hello, Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) Hi. I'm a new subscriber since a few days and I simply forgot to introduce myself. I'm now 21 years old and study Germanistix (for American readers: Germanix) at the Otto-Friedrich-University in Bamberg, Germany. Greetinx Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 19:40:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP -Reply Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>index kraftwerk You should better write to: majordomo@cs.uwp.edu! Greetinx Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:36:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP Really-From: datta@archive.uwp.edu : Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) : KML>Send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu and say: : KML> index kraftwerk : : Do I have to write "index kraftwerk" in the subject line or in the : message-text? The index command would be placed in the message text. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #632 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #633 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 18 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 633 Airwaves 'shouting' Greek Kraftwerkian Karl Bartos Re: Airwaves 'shouting' Re: Karl Bartos Re: are we the robots? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 17 Jul 96 08:22:00 GMT Subject: Airwaves 'shouting' Really-From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk This 'shouting' on Airwaves happens between 4 minutes 9 seconds and 4 minutes 11 seconds into the track. If your cd player is capable, I suggest you set it to repeat those 3 seconds over and over. BTW when I said 'shouting' a more accurate way of describing the it would be someone trying to make themselves heard over the music. I look forward to reading all your replies. Mike. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:19:53 +0100 Subject: Greek Kraftwerkian Really-From: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk (Konstantinos Lotsis) Greetings to all KW-fans!!! I 've joined the list since January, but I have not introduced myself. So, here it goes: My name is Kostas, I a 25 years old postgraduate student at Glasgow University. --> Question: Where I can find the CD version of Tour de France in UK? I have tried HMV and couple others, but I was unlucky.<-- Wishing I nice summer to everybody, Kostas ************************************************ Konstantinos Lotsis MSc in IT Department of Computing Science University of Glasgow - UK e-mail: lotsisk@dcs.gla.ac.uk ************************************************ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:50:33 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Karl Bartos Really-From: KentKSHBSiv Hi all, Unfortuantly I've got it confirmed from two sources that former KW member Karl Bartos have joined the swedish Depeche-Mode wannabees "Mobile Homes". For those who have heard this band will probably ask themselves what the guy is really thinking about, as there is in my opinion much more things he could do that would be better. Sad.... /Daniel Nilsson ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 11:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Airwaves 'shouting' Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" At 08:22 AM 7/17/96 +0000, Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk wrote: >This 'shouting' on Airwaves happens between 4 minutes 9 seconds and 4 >minutes 11 seconds into the track. If your cd player is capable, I suggest >you set it to repeat those 3 seconds over and over. BTW when I said >'shouting' a more accurate way of describing the it would be someone trying >to make themselves heard over the music. I look forward to reading all your >replies. Well, I just threw the CD into the ol' CD Rom drive to take a listen and I tried to isolate the section in question. Here's what I was able to make of it: All I can hear for sure is that there appears to be a woman's voice that utters 3 syllables of speech at the 4 minute 11 second point of the track "Airwaves". I'm not able to clarify what the voice is saying or whether it is in German or English, but I do know that it is mixed a bit louder on the right side of the stereo than the left side. So, if you own a CD system with the stereo capability of isolating left or right, just listen to the right side at 4:11 and see what you make of it. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I program my home computer..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:17:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Karl Bartos Really-From: "A. D. Alvarez" Thanks for the info. I know nothing about Mobile Homes. Are they available in the USA? Just last week I got the ELECTRONIC album that Bartos collaborated on. It's almost funny, some songs you can really tell which parts were been written and/or played by Barney (New Order), Johnny (The Smiths) and Bartos--they all have such distinctive performing, programming and composition styles--and some you can hardly tell if Bartos' contributed anything at all. Although he has a songwriting credit, "Forbidden City" (their first single) sounds like a fusion between The Smiths and recent New Order--although that chord structure, reminiscent of David Bowie's "Heroes," sounds mighty suspicious. :) I also heard that OMD has an album coming up which is a McCluskey/Bartos collaboration--please correct me if I'm wrong. Will Bartos continue his career like Brian Eno, jumping from band to band, lending a tweak or a bloop here and there? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 16 Aug 93 20:03:42 +0000 Subject: Re: are we the robots? Really-From: Brendan Heading Hello kraftwerk mailing list, I believe you were talking about are we the robots? when you said... >Cool, Brendan Heading put a robot to reply to the list: generic beginning >phrase cantaining subject followed by the quoted contents, then followed >by the random generated reply, so ended by a signature with random comment... >well, sorry about it Brendan, but I can't read your posts anymore: I didn't think my admittedly totally crap robot reply thing really brought on a fit of blindness to those reading my postings. Anyway, it was something of a test, I'm going to do a couple more interesting ones. >everytime >the same thing. Your previous reply programm was more human, you have to >improve this one... just in my opinion. It's a reasonable point - it is crap. But don't be posting things like this in public mail; email me privately. Then I don't have to post the replies publicly as well. Folks who get shirty about sigs and things can rest in their beds safely - I plan to fix it! - -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Giving money to governments is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" - -- Anonymous ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #633 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #634 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 19 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 634 Tour De France on CD The lost Karl Bartos RE: The lost Karl Bartos Re: The lost Karl Bartos ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:03:22 -0400 Subject: Tour De France on CD Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) > --> Question: Where I can find the CD version of Tour de France in >UK? I have tried HMV and couple others, but I was unlucky.<-- At this time there is no "OFFICIAL" version except on a German compilation CD. (Not sure of the name, but I think it's called "DJ's Best") From what I understand, its only the single edit version anyway. :( An UNOFFICIAL version of the song DOES appear in BOTH full Kevorkian remixes on a bootleg CD entitled "Tocatta Electronica". These versions are taken directly from the 12" vinyl though so there is some surface noise. It is still quite listenable. BUT...HOLD ON THERE! LOOK WHAT I FOUND ON THE ESPRIT WEB SITE: at: HTTP://OURWORLD.COMPUSERVE.COM/HOMEPAGES/ESPRIT/ ********************************************************************** ESPRIT MAIL ORDER Esprit House Railway Sidings Meopham Kent DA13 0LT England E:Mail to 100307.3627@compuserve.com Tel (UK +44) (01474) 815010 Fax (UK +44) (01474) 815030 We also have offices at: ESPRIT RECORDS 1202 East Pike Street #811 Seattle, WA 98122-3934 USA Fax (206) 323-1182 KRAFTWERK Computer World +3 (Japanese reissued CD featuring 3 EXTRA TRACKS: Pocket Calculator Japanese Version, Tour De France Original and Instrumental Versions [not on CD!!] due end August! ) - 23.99 (in pounds sterling) ****************************************************************************** Note: I don't know yet if these are the FULL 12" versions of TDF or the single edit versions. Either way, I can't wait. Too bad this won't be out until the end of August. (It is quite expensive too - but remember IT'S KRAFTWERK!!!) - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:27:02 -0400 Subject: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >Just last week I got the ELECTRONIC album that Bartos collaborated on. >It's almost funny, ...[snip] I bought this CD just to hear Karl Bartos' contribution. The CD is, IMO quite awful! There is absolutely nothing challenging about the music at all! >I also heard that OMD has an album coming up which is a >McCluskey/Bartos collaboration--please correct me if I'm wrong. Will >Bartos continue his career like Brian Eno, jumping from band to band, >lending a tweak or a bloop here and there? Its amazing the kind of GARBAGE Karl has involved himself with since leaving Kraftwerk. First there were corny 70's-ish lyrics of Crosstalk: "Let's have some crosstalk baby. We can work it out!" Now, we have participation on a CD that sounds like a bunch of drab pop songs sung by a lovesick teenager with none of the TRUE Bartos flair and creativity he shined with while working at Klink Klang. Personally, I think Karl Bartos desperately needs direction now. He basically needs to BEG Ralf Hutter's forgiveness and go BACK to Kraftwerk where he can work with people of equal talent. He and Hutter actually weave a musical magic together - check them out in the Bologna '90 concert video (if you can) during that awseome instrumental midsection of "Autobahn" (with Karl playing the bass part while Ralf adds those wicked funk keyboard licks!). TRULY INCREDIBLE! - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:26:21 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >>Just last week I got the ELECTRONIC album that Bartos collaborated on. >>It's almost funny, ...[snip] >I bought this CD just to hear Karl Bartos' contribution. The CD is, IMO >quite awful! There is absolutely nothing challenging about the music at all! I agree. What a waste of 12 bucks! The Bartos songs (you know them when you hear them) are tasty here and there but the other songs just aren't my kind of stuff. I say bring back the Elektric Music lineup and continue with those musical ideas.(Or go back to Kraftwerk and make some real magic!) EM is a lot of fun to listen to and it's sound can be developed. It seems that Bartos' musical decisions lately are based more on friendships than musicality. Lon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:55:14 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: "J.Kock" On Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:27:02 kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kra wrote: >Personally, I think Karl Bartos desperately needs direction now. He >basically needs to BEG Ralf Hutter's forgiveness and go BACK to Kraftwerk I just read that Karl Bartos has permanently joined The Mobile Homes! (A very good Swedish synthpop band) - -- ________________________________________ ____________/ http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1353 \____________ /______ .___ . \ |( ST ) jesper.kock@kockens.ct.se // //| | | |____| or kock@kockens.pp.se || || | To boldly go | |< oo > || || /\_ were no Atari | | |\__/| WiZZard on -*-Kockens BBS-*- _/|| ||\_ /| has gone before | | \____/ ATARI ONLY +46-46-250256 |_/ |_| \_|/ | \__________________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #634 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #635 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 20 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 635 Re: The lost Karl Bartos Re: The lost Karl Bartos Re: The lost Karl Bartos Karl Bartos Re: The lost Karl Bartos Re: The lost Karl Bartos Re: The lost Karl Bartos Re: The lost Karl Bartos Re: Karl Bartos ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 04:09:17 +0600 Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: Daneel Olivaw I'm writing concerning the Karl Bartos bashing that has been going on, lately. Specifically of his involment in Electronic. Now, I know little of his other collaborators (OMD, Mobile Homes, etc.), but I do know one thing: if there were ever two people worthy of his collaboration, it would be Bernard Sumner and Johnny Marr. Sumner and Marr were part of two of the most influential bands of the 1980's, much like Bartos and Kraftwerk(only Kraftwerk is WAY more influential, of course, and not from the eighties). I realize that the type of music they were involved in is quite different from Kraftwerk, and shouldn't be discussed on this list, but I do think it should be recognized that they are leaders of the style of music they are involved in, no matter your opinion of that style. Nonetheless, I think it is good that Bartos is moving on from his Kraftwerk sound, yet staying true to his roots. By the way, although the Kraftwerk sound is evident in several songs(and seems a bit out-of-place, I'll admit), many of them are not the ones that Bartos co-wrote. Which says that perhaps Bartos is trying to shy away from his Kraftwerk past and move on, but that he is pigeonholed into that primitive synth sound that we all know and love. I mean, look at it from his view. Sure, we all love Kraftwerk's music, but if that was the only music that surrounded you for 20+ years, you'd probably start to get sick of it, too. Just a thought. Anyway, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone,or made anyone angry, but I just thought that the other side should be presented. However, if you feel the urge to flame me on this list, DON'T! Please send your flames directly to me at: epepper@vt.edu I'm not sending this as flamebait, but I know that I will get flamed, because of the unpopular stance I take among you, so, for the sake of the list, please send replys to me. A fellow Kraftwerk fan, Emmett Pepper TT3MM3 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 10:45:10 EDT Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: Nicholas Patrick Carlisle Emmett, An interesting story which lends support to your opinion was reported in a Radio 1 interview with Bernard Sumner and Johnny Marr. They said that the first time they met Karl Bartos, at the beginning of the RAISE THE PRESSURE sessions, they were surprised to see him walk into the room, immediately throw his coat over the computer saying "We won't be needing this", and pick up a guitar to sing an old Kinks song "Wouldn't it be nice, to get on with my neighbours"! Sumner said he guessed Karl was "pretty techno-ed out after all those years with Kraftwerk", and that his "pop-sensibility" was his greatest asset. Nick ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" At 04:09 AM 7/19/96 +0600, Daneel Olivaw wrote: >I'm writing concerning the Karl Bartos bashing that has been going on, >lately. > >...Nonetheless, I think it is good that Bartos is moving on from his Kraftwerk >sound, yet staying true to his roots. While I am not someone who has publicly (or privately, for that matter) badmouthed Karl Bartos for any reason, I do find it rather difficult to openly accept the work produced from his Elektric Music 'Esperanto' album. I have never been "anti-Karl" in any way and I for one still wish he had remained in Kraftwerk as I feel he was a valuable asset for both band image and the music alike. However, upon listening to 'Esperanto' it became painfully obvious to me that he was stealing way too many ideas from KW and not just imitating them but almost, in a sense, doing it on purpose as if to tick them off. It's one thing to borrow inspiration from an outside source or a past collaboration, but this was just ridiculous. Don't get me wrong - I do feel that 'Esperanto' (at least the first half of the album) has some strong material that is rather enjoyable to listen to (if you're into electro-pop music), but the sounds and themes are nothing that we haven't heard before on our Kraftwerk albums. I just found that Bartos went out of his way to use sound patches and samples that directly related to Kraftwerk references. The themes on the album are all KW-influenced relating to television, communication, electronic politics, computers, etc. Hell, there's even a track called "Kissing The Machine" which might as well be called "Computer Love part 2". I even found "borrowed" lyrics and concepts that were altered just enough to avoid copyright infringement. :o) Here's just a very brief look at some of the more obvious Kraftwerk items that Bartos helped himself to on the first five songs of his 'Esperanto' album: 1) "TV" ---- sampled orchestra hits from "Music Non Stop" on the offbeats. same vox sound patch during chorus as one from "Radio-Activity". hi-q "blip" noise on offbeats, same as on the 'Computer World' album.' lyric on chorus - "I press the key...and watch TV" is rather similar to "Pocket Calculator"'s lyric "By pressing down a special key it plays a little melody." bell sound patch used over the opening theme of "TV" are the same 3 notes as the bell sound patch used on "Computer Love" (1991 Mix version). 2) "Show Business" --------------- biggest ripoff in this one are the lyrics of second verse:"...through the looking glass...just like the greatest stars...you don't have to be yourself...change into someone else". This passage, of course being an obvious ripoff of Kraftwerk's "Hall Of Mirrors" song which has the lyrics: "He made up the person he wanted to be and changed into a new personality...Even the greatest stars changed themselves in the looking glass." 3) "Kissing The Machine" --------------------- Lead tune uses same fluctuating sound from "Neon Lights", "Spaceab", "Europe Endless", etc. 4) "Lifestyle" ----------- Opening tune (4 notes) and its sound patch are just slightly altered from that of KW's song "Computer World". Drum beat taken from KW song "Numbers" (not that everyone else in the music world hasn't also stolen this beat.) :o) 5) "Crosstalk" ----------- Rather familiar computerized voice singing lead on this one. "Autobahn" references in the computer voices that say "beep beep". "Music Non Stop" references in the sampled male voices that say "Tschak Peng" (now THAT's no coincidence right there!) Some of you may feel that I've gone a slight bit off the deep end with all this analyzing. There are plenty of other things like these on this album in addition to those that I've mentioned above. Basically, all I'm saying is that even though Karl Bartos has decided to leave KW for good, I am still hoping he does well in whatever he does, but I am thankful that he is following a new path rather than continuing to liberally "borrow" the music and ideas of Kraftwerk. I just felt that he did it more as an act of retribution or spite than due to a lack of creativity. It was kind of like Karl's way of saying to KW, "See - it takes you guys 5 years to record an album and I can throw one together just like yours in no time at all." I'd like to think that Karl and Wolfgang left Kraftwerk on good terms with Ralf & Florian, but I cannot say that this is the case, and judging from some of their interviews in Bussy's book, it seems that there was definitely some hostility in the air of Kling Klang studios as things boiled down in the late 80's. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "I press the key...and watch TV." - Elektric Music "By pressing down special key it plays a little melody." - Kraftwerk ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:29:52 MET Subject: Karl Bartos Really-From: "CHIRIATTI CLAUDIO" Well, as I listened to the Elektric Music album for the first time I thought Karl Bartos wanted to present some of his own ideas he did contribute to the KW sound. It's very obvious that he has only stolen some ideas so it might be his own ideas he just uses twice to show "look it were my ideas and not Ralf 's or Florian's". Don't forget that KW never said something against Elektric Music in public. Claudio Claudio G. Chiriatti e-mail:chir3301@uni-trier.de Creativity and innovation prevents a constant stagnation ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:48:35 -0400 Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com The...resemblances are pretty obvious, aren't they? Also, is it my imagination, or are some of the synths in that horrible new dance craze song, "Macarena" (or whatever the @&$@($*&! the title of it is) Kraftwerk samples? The main rhythmic motif synth sounds just like the one in the Mix version of "Radioactivity"--or am I stretching things here? (they DO sample the laugh from Madonna's "Angel," so I guess it's possible....) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:25:06 +0200 Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: Paulo Mouat > I do find it rather difficult to openly accept the work produced from > his Elektric Music 'Esperanto' album. > (...) > However, upon listening to 'Esperanto' it became painfully obvious to > me that he was stealing way too many ideas from KW and not just > imitating them but almost, in a sense, doing it on purpose as if to > tick them off. > (...) > I just found that Bartos went out of his way to use sound patches > and samples that directly related to Kraftwerk references. Well, on this subject concerning the 'infamous' Karl Bartos, I'd like to say also something on his defense: I don't think it is fair to say that Bartos did steal anything from Kraftwerk, since it is impossible to exactly pinpoint what has he done while in the band. Furthermore, those ideas are as his as of any of the other members. So, in a sense, he is not stealing, he is simply working with the same material he ever worked for more than 15 years. We can't say if those ideas so commonly present in Kraftwerk aren't his own. > Don't get me wrong - I do feel that 'Esperanto' (at least the first > half of the album) has some strong material (...), but the sounds and > themes are nothing that we haven't heard before on our Kraftwerk > albums. I, on the contrary, like best the second half of the album, particularly the last three tracks (+ 'TV', of course). > I just felt that he did it more as an act of retribution or spite than > due to a lack of creativity. It was kind of like Karl's way of saying > to KW, "See - it takes you guys 5 years to record an album and I can > throw one together just like yours in no time at all." I see no retribution or spite. What I see is a collection of ideas that he surely already had while in Kraftwerk but was unable to put out due to maybe a heavy sense of authority and prevalence of both Ralf and Florian. Let's recall that Karl refers to this attitude of R&F in an interview, stating his inability to work creatively and freely. Even one commentator said something in the lines of this perhaps being the true beggining for Karl since the great weight of Ralf's stance wasn't there. One last thing concerning the KW'ish style of 'Esperanto:' Bartos did say that if he could go back in time he would remove the drum-loop from 'Crosstalk.' For me that means that he may be too much in tune with the Kraftwerk spirit (or is it the reverse?) taking a 'purist' attitude towards techno-pop. That shows that he and Ralf and Florian (of Fluer we will see in the near future, hopefully!) think very much alike, not letting the music fall in the really ordinary arrangements and constructions. My last statement: The music of an ex-long-term-KWer could not be different! ;-) Cheers! - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" At 01:48 PM 7/19/96 -0400, Spotnik@aol.com wrote: >Also, is it my imagination, or are some of the synths in that horrible new >dance craze song, "Macarena" (or whatever the @&$@($*&! the title of it is) >Kraftwerk samples? The main rhythmic motif synth sounds just like the one in >the Mix version of "Radioactivity"--or am I stretching things here? (they DO >sample the laugh from Madonna's "Angel," so I guess it's possible....) Well, perhaps I purposely try not to pay attention to this song whenever I hear it on a radio somewhere, but I haven't detected any Kraftwerk samples so far. The only (rather obvious) sample that I was able to pin down in that song based on what little I paid attention to was the female laughter with the delay on it at the beginning, taken from Yaz's hit song "Situation", written of course by Vince Clarke. I'm not too familiar with Madonna's song "Angel", but did her song first use the laughter and then Vince Clarke sampled it for Yaz? Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Wir sim die roboter..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 06:33:44 +0200 Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: lbo >Its amazing the kind of GARBAGE Karl has involved himself with since leaving >Kraftwerk. First there were corny 70's-ish lyrics of Crosstalk: > > "Let's have some crosstalk baby. We can work it out!" hey, come on, this was only clearly ironic episode in an very interesting album... >Now, we have participation on a CD that sounds like a bunch of drab pop songs >sung by a lovesick teenager with none of the TRUE Bartos flair and creativity he >shined with while working at Klink Klang. > >Personally, I think Karl Bartos desperately needs direction now. He >basically needs to BEG Ralf Hutter's forgiveness and go BACK to Kraftwerk nooo, the only thing is that one cannot carry on forever with the fact that K release an album more or less every five-ten years, I think that he just want to work while his old fellows just prefer the olympic contemplative attitude they deserve after all. the guy want to move, do things, see people, try new things... why should not he try? or should he close himself in a sort of monastery, when he want not? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 06:33:56 +0200 Subject: Re: Karl Bartos Really-From: lbo [Bartos in Elektrik Musik] >contribute to the KW sound. It's very obvious that he has only stolen >some ideas so it might be his own ideas he just uses twice to show ehi, Claudio, che significa "rubare qualche idea" ai Kraftwerk? forse non ho capito bene il senso della frase in inglese, ma non credo proprio che ascoltando gli EM si possa pensare al plagio del materiale dei K. e comunque Bartos *era* parte dei K, quindi e' normale che quando lui suona, cio' che fa ricordi i K. io personalmente ho molta simpatia con lui, specialmente dopo aver letto, mi pare proprio su Aktivitat, che lui non ne poteva piu' di stare fermo e accontentarsi di *essere* membro dei K, quando invece lui voleva *fare* qualcosa... ooops, so maybe italian is not so Esperanto here... :-) what you mean with "stolen some ideas"? maybe I did not understood the translation, but I don't think that listening to EM you could think they are plagiarious toward K. anyway, Bartos *was* K, so it's normal that if you hear him alone you could think to the K sound he too contributed to develop. personally, I sympathize with him, expecially after having read, in an interview published by Aktivitat, if I'm not wrong, that he was fed up about *being* a K member and just stay immote for years, when he wished to *do* a lot of things. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #635 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #636 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 21 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 636 Tour De France Melody Maker article Re: Karl Bartos Bartos Bashing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 20 Jul 96 07:37:38 EDT Subject: Tour De France Melody Maker article Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> This week's Melody Maker (dated 20th July 1996) has a half-page "Info Freako" article on KW's "Tour De France' single. There's no new information - it just quotes almost directly from Pascal Bussy's book - but there's also a live photo of Ralf against the on-screen TDF sleeve design. STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 16 Aug 93 22:23:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Karl Bartos Really-From: Brendan Heading flibble smeerie kraftwerk mailing list, squeaderum bleederum smeederum smelly wibble wibble Re: Karl Bartos bonky-bonky pukum sminky bonk.... >contributed anything at all. Although he has a songwriting credit, >"Forbidden City" (their first single) sounds like a fusion between The >Smiths and recent New Order--although that chord structure, >reminiscent of David Bowie's "Heroes," sounds mighty suspicious. :) Oh dear :-) Bartos' is a big Bowie fan, indeed, a big "heroes" fan :) - -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "I still listen to it [heroes]. It's one of my favourite songs. I wish I could swim.. da de da da.. Like the dolphins... It's cool!" -- Karl Bartos, talking about his love of Bowie. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 11:42:25 -0400 Subject: Bartos Bashing Really-From: Genepool@aol.com <>> Isn't it quite possible that Bartos is the one who wrote these parts, made these sounds and is now using the same equipment to produce his new material? I love every Kraftwerk album but, if I was in that band, I would lose my mind! They could not work slower. What is it that they're doing???? Steve *********************************************** genepool is the name of our band *********************************************** ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #636 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #637 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 22 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 637 Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP The lost Karl Bartos Re: The lost Karl Bartos ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 23:49:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP Really-From: RobbY >Really-From: datta@archive.uwp.edu > >In article <4sc0vb$9dn@news.inc.net> you wrote: >: Really-From: RobbY > >Digests are made immediately available via the Majordomo mail >server. Send a message to majordomo@cs.uwp.edu and say: > >index kraftwerk > >for a list of files available. And what to do if there is always: "#### No files available for kraftwerk." ? The digests on a WWW-page would be nice. Bye. Robby. \\\\ ( o o ) ************oOO**(_)**OOo********************************************* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 20:13:00 +0200 Subject: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Personally, I think Karl Bartos desperately needs direction now. He KML>basically needs to BEG Ralf Hutter's forgiveness and go BACK to KML>Kraftwerk where he can work with people of equal talent. What happened between Karl Bartos and Florian Schneider? Why should Bartos beg for forgiveness? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 20:30:00 +0200 Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Don't get me wrong - I do feel that 'Esperanto' (at least the first KML>half of the album) has some strong material that is rather enjoyable KML>to listen to (if you're into electro-pop music), but the sounds and KML>themes are nothing that we haven't heard before on our Kraftwerk KML>albums. The best parts of "Esperanto" IMHO are the last three tracks: "Information", "Esperanto" and "Overdrive" because these tracks show a real development in Bartos' music. Especially these three songs share a style, that have not been heard on a Kraftwerk-Album before. They can be described as an electronic version of Heavy Metal. Just listen to the drum-pattern at the beginning of "Esperanto". The first songs on the album are just a copy of Kraftwerk-music. I agree with you on that point. KML>1) "TV" ---- sampled orchestra hits from "Music Non Stop" on the KML>offbeats. same vox sound patch during chorus as one from "Radio- KML>Activity". hi-q "blip" noise on offbeats, same as on the 'Computer KML>World' album.' lyric on chorus - "I press the key...and watch TV" is KML>rather similar to "Pocket Calculator"'s lyric "By KML>pressing down a special key it plays a little melody." KML>bell sound patch used over the opening theme of "TV" are the same KML>3 notes as the bell sound patch used on "Computer KML>Love" (1991 Mix version). Hmmm. I just looked at my copy of "The Mix" and found out, that Bartos was not mentioned on the credit list. BTW: The German text from "Pocket Calculator" says: "Und wenn ich diese Taste drück' spielt er ein kleines Musikstück." KML>It was kind of like Karl's way of saying to KW, "See - it takes you KML>guys 5 years to record an album and I can throw one together just KML>like yours in no time at all." That could be. Greetinx Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #637 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #638 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 23 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 638 Re: The lost Karl Bartos Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #635 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #635 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #635 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #636 Komputer CD Re: The Lost Bartos Komputer CD Re: Electronic / Karl Bartos collaboration ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:48:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: shrao@nyx.net (Shrisha Rao) > KML>It was kind of like Karl's way of saying to KW, "See - it takes you > KML>guys 5 years to record an album and I can throw one together just > KML>like yours in no time at all." > > That could be. But isn't that plagiarism? I could copy and slightly alter a famous novel from someone and say to the author, see, it took you months or years to write that, and I can produce one like it in no time at all! Not a very convincing argument, IMHO. But one thing could be that Bartos was *asserting* his ownership or whatever, since he felt piqued at not being credited with the fruits of his labor. Regards, Shrisha Rao > Greetinx > > Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:52:36 +0200 (MST) Subject: Really-From: Thomas Weckert unsubscribe tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 07:43:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Latest Mailing-list-digests at WWW or FTP Really-From: datta@archive.uwp.edu : Really-From: RobbY : And what to do if there is always: "#### No files available for kraftwerk." ? Let me know so I can fix the problem. It's fixed. : The digests on a WWW-page would be nice. Would be nice but it isn't going to happen on a regular basis. I have to move them by hand. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:09:09 -0400 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #635 Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >Really-From: Daneel Olivaw > >I'm writing concerning the Karl Bartos bashing that has been going on, >lately. Specifically of his involment in Electronic. Now, I know little of >his other... >[snip] >Anyway, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone,or made anyone angry, but I just >thought that the other side should be presented. However, if you feel the >urge to flame me on this list, DON'T! Please send your flames directly to me at: >I'm not sending this as flamebait, but I know that I will get flamed, >because of the unpopular stance I take among you, so, for the sake of the >list, please send replys to me. Daneel, don't worry, I don't think anyone really has a reason to get upset with your views whether in agreement or not. After all, they are your views and I for one find respect them as much as anyone elses. BTW: I being the one that kicked off this Bartos discussion in the first place, I purposely posted this response directly to the list. My overall opinion of Karl Bartos and his work is not that I expect him to continue the Kraftwerk legend, but simply to continue with quality work. And undeniably, it seems his latest output sounds much like music from the 80's and needs some updating (I believe this cleary shows why Kraftwerk take their time releasing new material - to ensure a fresh approach to the music). His joint venture with "Electronic" shows this clearly - actually, even Electronic needs to update their sound. Anyone I've let listen to their latest CD (before I returned it) thought it was some New Order music from the 80's. Why should this be with such a talented lineup working on this product? I consider Karl Bartos quite the talented musician. He can certainly do better that what we've seen so far. I can understand him wanting to shake his Kraftwerk background but after all, he IS a keyboardist/percussionist - he fits quite naturally in the Techno or Pop music scene. His choices of collaborators nowadys just seem a bit misguided. Hopefully one day he'll get this straightened out. In general, for my tastes, good music has to have three important elements: Creativity Innovation and Timelessness. I think that's the TRUE reason we all listen to Kraftwerk. Let me say this last thing: IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT THIS LIST HAS FINALLY WAKEN UP! "Peace and automation to all" - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:17:30 -0400 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #635 Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) > I just found that Bartos went out of his way to use sound patches >and samples that directly related to Kraftwerk references. The themes on >the album are all KW-influenced relating to television, communication, >electronic politics, computers, etc. Hell, there's even a track called >"Kissing The Machine" which might as well be called "Computer Love part 2". [Snip] >Here's just a very brief look at some of >the more obvious Kraftwerk items that Bartos helped himself to on the first >five songs of his 'Esperanto' album: [Snip again] > Some of you may feel that I've gone a slight bit off the deep end >with all this analyzing. I actually agree with you whole heartedly. I'd analysed the "Esperanto" CD in much that same way, though never said anything publicly. >I just felt that he did it more as an act of retribution or spite than due >to a lack of creativity. It was kind of like Karl's way of saying to KW, >"See - it takes you guys 5 years to record an album and I can throw one together >just like yours in no time at all." And it sounds like it was thrown together. >I'm saying is that even though Karl Bartos has decided to leave KW for >good, I am still hoping he does well in whatever he does, I also wish him well in his musical ventures. But as potential consumers of his work, we all others, want quality product! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:01:31 -0400 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #635 Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Again, regarding Karl Bartos: >the guy want to move, do things, see people, try new things... why should >not he try? or should he close himself in a sort of monastery, when he want >not? No he should not close himself in BUT he should release material in line with his true musical talent. Nuf said. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:40:26 -0400 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #636 Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >>Here's just a very brief look at some of >>the more obvious Kraftwerk items that Bartos helped himself to on the first >>five songs of his 'Esperanto' album: > >Isn't it quite possible that Bartos is the one who wrote these parts, made >these sounds and is now using the same equipment to produce his new material? But does he have to continue to use these sounds? Sysths are quite maleable - they can be used to create anything! >I love every Kraftwerk album but, if I was in that band, I would lose my >mind! They could not work slower. What is it that they're doing???? If Ralf sticks to his promise last September (reprinted in the last issue of Aktivitat from a music mag article), they should be releasing NEW material sometime this year. The signs are in the air: More reissues of early material was recently announced. Kraftwerk is mentioned more in the media lately... Hmmmm... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:59:45 -0400 Subject: Komputer CD Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Has anyone heard the new "Komputer" CD single? The music is quite obviously a COMPLETE Kraftwerk rip off (The song "Oh Synthesizer" couldn't be anymore like "Neon Lights"!) The music is not bad though. Actually with some work, if they'd REALLY write their own material and get a better synthentic voice machine, they could do quite well. Overall, I had FUN listening to it and I will buy the full CD once available. Oh, and here's a thought: Since Bartos really wants to work with other groups, how about these: Depche Mode? What about LFO? Imagine Front 242? How about Janet Janet Jackson? Everything but the Girl, maybe (BTW: This is REALLY the group's name)? Michael Jackson? Aphex Twin, u-Ziq or Autechre? Let's open this for discussion. Send in your comments or suggestions... - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:06:24 -0400 Subject: Re: The Lost Bartos Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) >KML>Personally, I think Karl Bartos desperately needs direction now. He >KML>basically needs to BEG Ralf Hutter's forgiveness and go BACK to >KML>Kraftwerk where he can work with people of equal talent. > >What happened between Karl Bartos and Florian Schneider? Why should Bartos beg >for forgiveness? The part on begging forgiveness was only a smart remark. There was really nothing intended by it! :) But I would like to see Bartos find his new calling. I find him quite talented yet have seen little of his true ability lately. - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:27:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Komputer CD Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > Has anyone heard the new "Komputer" CD single? The music is quite > obviously a COMPLETE Kraftwerk rip off (The song "Oh Synthesizer" > couldn't be anymore like "Neon Lights"!) The music is not bad though. > Actually with some work, if they'd REALLY write their own material and > get a better synthentic voice machine, they could do quite well. If you liked Komputer, check out Fortran 5. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 16 Aug 93 22:45:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Electronic / Karl Bartos collaboration Really-From: Brendan Heading flibble smeerie kraftwerk mailing list, squeaderum bleederum smeederum smelly wibble wibble Re: Electronic / Karl Bartos collaboration bonky-bonky pukum sminky bonk.... >>Brian's news seems to be about two week's after everyone else's :-) At least >>that proves that it's actually true :-) >> >>>Brian >> >The album is quite good. Indeed most reviews which I've read say that Bartos >has influenced the record in a big way. The Times actually said that the >album forms the missing link between 80s synth pop (Human League) and 90's >indie pop (Lightning Seeds). Of course, nobody ever believe anything written in the times :) They're selling it for 10p every monday to try and get rid of it !!! Up the Guardian!!! - -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "Jarre's music to me shows what you can do with a PURE, and a natural mind. I celebrate that beauty of the human ability. -Mirai, on drugs (not taking drugs, but about them !!) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #638 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #639 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 24 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 639 Re: Karl Bartos Re: The lost Karl Bartos A: Who is Schmitt? Re: A: Who is Schmitt? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 07:39:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Karl Bartos Really-From: RCroz75755@aol.com In a message dated 96-07-20 03:12:25 EDT, Emmitt Pepper wrote: << Which says that perhaps Bartos is trying to shy away from his Kraftwerk past and move on, but that he is pigeonholed into that primitive synth sound that we all know and love. I mean, look at it from his view. Sure, we all love Kraftwerk's music, but if that was the only music that surrounded you for 20+ years, you'd probably start to get sick of it, too. Just a thought. >> And a fine thought it is!! I have not heard any of Karl's collaborations with any of the artists that you mentioned in you post but I can certainly assume that the reason that he would want to leave Kraftwerk would be to pursue other avenues of electronic music. As KW fans, we would want Karl to create and perform the same music that he did in KW but I'm sure he grew tired of it. Perhaps this is the reason we haven't seen nor heard of a new KW release - - because the other members are tired as well (this is all IMHO of course). Rob Crozier rcroz75755@aol.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 18:53:00 +0200 Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>But one thing could be that Bartos was *asserting* his ownership or KML>whatever, since he felt piqued at not being credited with the fruits KML>of his labor. At least on my (German) album of "Die Mensch-Maschine" (The Man-Machine) Bartos is credited on every song. On "Computerwelt" (Computerworld) the only song he has *not* been mentioned is "Homecomputer". And on "Electric Cafe" he has also been credited on every song. IMHO that is still a lot. As much as I can overlook, he was mentioned more often than Florian Schneider. But I have not got all of my Kraftwerk-records with me, at the moment. BTW: On the song "Electric Cafe" there is a person called Schmitt credited? Who is this? Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:55:38 +0200 Subject: A: Who is Schmitt? Really-From: Paulo Mouat > BTW: On the song "Electric Cafe" there is a person called Schmitt > credited? Who is this? It is Maxime Schmitt, on whom you may read on Bussy's book, important as he were. My version of EC doesn't have song-by-song credits, only a general acknowledgement paragraph, and Maxime Schmitt is referred to there (full name). Best! - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 08:44:32 +0200 (MST) Subject: Re: A: Who is Schmitt? Really-From: Thomas Weckert Please, can anybody tell me how to get off this list? Thanks a lot! It's more fun to compute!! Thomas Weckert - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- e-mail: tweckert@ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de a2754410@smail.rrz.uni-koeln.de www: http://ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de/~tweckert (german) http://ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de/~tweckert/welcome_eng.html (english) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #639 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #640 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 25 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 640 The demise of the Kraftwerk Infobahr Re: A: Who is Schmitt? Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #639 AW: The demise of the Kraftwerk Infobahr 'Kraftwelt' CD single Re: The demise of the Infobahr Re: The demise of the Infobahr Re: The demise of the Infobahr Re: The demise of the Infobahr A: Who is Schmitt? Re: A: Who is Schmitt? Track credits [Re: A: Who is Schmitt?] Infobahr online ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 03:35:53 -0700 Subject: The demise of the Kraftwerk Infobahr Really-From: "Shane Wims (Berlitz)" Hi, Has anyone else noticed this? shane j. v-shanew@microsoft.com ph. 01-706 5749 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 24 Jul 96 07:12:39 EDT Subject: Re: A: Who is Schmitt? Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Maxime Schmitt worked for KW's French record company - Pathe Marconi - a division of EMI. He seems to have had a long involvement with KW, and is credited with co-writing all of their French language lyrics: Les Mannequins, Mini Calculateur, Tour De France, and Electric Cafe. STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:29:01 -0400 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #639 Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >Sure, we all love Kraftwerk's music, but if that was the > only music that surrounded you for 20+ years, you'd probably start to get > sick of it, too. Just a thought. >> I've been listening to Kraftwerk for 16 years now - Sorry, I've haven't gotten sick of it yet! As a matter of fact, if I was stranded on an island (with electricity, of course) and I could only take ONE musical group's catalog with me, it CERTAINLY would be Kraftwerk! >At least on my (German) album of "Die Mensch-Maschine" (The Man-Machine) Bartos >is credited on every song. On "Computerwelt" (Computerworld) the only song he >has *not* been mentioned is "Homecomputer". And on "Electric Cafe" he has also >been credited on every song. IMHO that is still a lot. As much as I can >overlook, he was mentioned more often than Florian Schneider. But I have not >got all of my Kraftwerk-records with me, at the moment. Yes, Bartos is credited with much of the song writing. Writing meaning the lyrics and melody. You'll also notice that his name is listed many times second or third in the credits list. Usually, song credits are listed in order of contribution (of course this is not carved in stone!) Also remember, Kraftwerk is not ALL song structures and melody, they are as much if not more STYLING, SOUND and FEEL. This is where Florian Schneider comes in - that's his forte. He is where that "Kraftwerk SOUND" comes from. This kind of explains the long lulls between releases - it doesn't take very long to craft a song's melody, but to mold it SONICALLY using tomorrows technology takes much time and patience. - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:44:05 +0200 Subject: AW: The demise of the Kraftwerk Infobahr Really-From: "Michael Melzer" > Really-From: "Shane Wims (Berlitz)" > > > Hi, > > Has anyone else noticed this? > > > shane j. I surely have. What a piity. Does anyone know the author? Maybe he could be persuaded to open the infobahr again. Michael "Musique Non Stop - TECHNOPOP" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:14:56 +0800 (U) Subject: 'Kraftwelt' CD single Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." Just got a CD single from a band called 'Kraftwelt' called 'deranged in space'. 12 different mixes of the song 'deranged' and a mix of the song 'The Path' (around 78 minutes total CD time). VERY KW'ish, right down to the cover art. On the back is written 'Dedicated to Ralph and Florian' Not bad. The mixes are quite listenable. CD info: Label- Hypnotic Number- CLP 9781-2 Lon ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 24 Jul 96 17:45:42 EDT Subject: Re: The demise of the Infobahr Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Didn't believe it until I checked it out... I was there only this last weekend. Anders... what's wrong? What negative feedback? Let's all give Anders some support and try to persuade him to reinstate it. Anyone...? STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The demise of the Infobahr Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" At 05:45 PM 7/24/96 -0400, Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Didn't believe it until I checked it out... I was there only this last weekend. >Anders... what's wrong? What negative feedback? >Let's all give Anders some support and try to persuade him to reinstate it. >Anyone...? Yep, I'm totally in favor of lending my support to this one. The Infobahr was always one of my favorite sites out there and without it there's practically NO Kraftwerk info on the web whatsoever. As far as I know, nobody else (other than Anders) has really attempted to make any sort of official homepage for KW (the kind with lots of info, interviews, samples to download, pics, etc.), and I certainly do hope that Anders decides to keep the Infobahr open and functioning. I had always hoped that one day we'd see an alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup, but there just don't seem to be enough of us fanatic KW fans around anymore to make that happen. It's a sad thought considering that I've seen newsgroups for some of the worst amateur bands around and yet there isn't one for one of the most influential and innovative bands in music's history: Kraftwerk. Without the Infobahr, Kraftwerk's presence on the Net will dwindle even further. We've got to revive some interest here. Come on Ralf & Florian - if there was ever a time that we needed a new Kraftwerk album, that time is now!! :o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We're charging our battery..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The demise of the Infobahr Really-From: Matthew Bruns On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Scott M. Barnhill wrote: > I had always hoped that one day > we'd see an alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup, but there just don't seem to be > enough of us fanatic KW fans around anymore to make that happen. [snip] > Come on Ralf & Florian - if there was ever a > time that we needed a new Kraftwerk album, that time is now!! :o) And that's the problem. 10 years of no substantially new material, 5 years since we last heard from them at all. It's hard to be that pumped a KW fan if they're just not doing anything... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The demise of the Infobahr Really-From: Troy Morehouse On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > [...] I had always hoped that one day > we'd see an alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup, but there just don't seem to be > enough of us fanatic KW fans around anymore to make that happen. > time that we needed a new Kraftwerk album, that time is now!! :o) I've always been waiting for an alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup too! I've been a Kraftwerk fan since the early 80's, when I bought my first Kraftwerk album (Computer World). I now have all of the North American albums on vinyl as well as on CD. As well I've got a few of the CD's in german, and some cool Import CDs and bootleg concerts (I assume they are bootlegs based on the recording quality and the voices in the crowd). And one Japanese vinyl single (Computer world & Numbers). I think there would be enough fans in the world to keep a news group going. And yes, I can't wait for a new album. - -Troy Morehouse - - ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 19:30:00 +0200 Subject: A: Who is Schmitt? Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>It is Maxime Schmitt, on whom you may read on Bussy's book, important KML>as he were. My version of EC doesn't have song-by-song credits, only KML>a general acknowledgement paragraph, and Maxime Schmitt is referred KML>to there (full name). Do you have the CD? I own the (Vinyl-)LP and you can read the credits on the record itself. Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 19:32:00 +0200 Subject: Re: A: Who is Schmitt? Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Maxime Schmitt worked for KW's French record company - Pathe KML>Marconi - a division of EMI. He seems to have had a long involvement KML>with KW, and is credited with co-writing all of their French language KML>lyrics: Les Mannequins, Mini Calculateur, Tour De France, and KML>Electric Cafe. Does anyone know where I could get these french versions? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 06:15:49 +0200 Subject: Track credits [Re: A: Who is Schmitt?] Really-From: Paulo Mouat > Do you have the CD? I own the (Vinyl-)LP and you can read the credits > on the record itself. I have the CD (EMI CDP 7 46416 2). Although sometimes additional info is written on the disc itself, this one has credits only on the booklet. There are discrepancies, sometimes. I recall someone on this list recently said Bartos had credits for the whole of 'Computer World' except one of the tracks, Computer Love (or Homecomputer, I don't remember exactly), but on my 'Computer World' Elektra CD 9 3549-2 Bartos is credited on every single track. Unfortunately my german version CD 'Computerwelt' does not have any song-by-song credits. Cheers! - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:06:19 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Infobahr online Really-From: Anders Wilhelm Thank you all for your massive support of the infobahr. It is online again. If you have material you want to put into the infobahr don't hesitate to contact me. /anders - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #640 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #641 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 26 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 641 Re: Infobahr online Re: Track credits More KW bits in UK music press Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #640 Re: Kraftwerk Infobahn Elegance and DECADENCE... Re: Elegance and DECADENCE... KW in WWW Music Database. TEE, the train 'Kraftwelt' CD single Re: The demise of the Infobahr Re: The demise of the Infobahr K inactivity ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 11:17:28 +0200 (SAT) Subject: Re: Infobahr online Really-From: jvisagie@insight.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: Anders Wilhelm > > Thank you all for your massive support of the infobahr. > It is online again. Allow me (belatedly) also to add my note of support. Keep up the good work, Anders! :) - -- V Johann Visagie | Email: jvisagie@insight.co.za | Tel: +27 83 777-4260 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 25 Jul 96 07:07:36 EDT Subject: Re: Track credits Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> Here are the full composer credits for CW and EC. They're as they appear on the recent UK reissue and the original German issue respectively, but I've crosschecked them with the original vinyl versions and are fully correct:- COMPUTERWORLD / COMPUTERWELT Music: Hutter/Bartos Lyric: Hutter/Schneider/Schult POCKET CALCULATOR / TASCHENRECHNER Music: Hutter/Bartos Lyric: Hutter/Schult NUMBERS / NUMMERN Music: Hutter/Bartos/Schneider COMPUTERWORLD 2 / COMPUTERWELT 2 Music: Hutter/Bartos/Scheider COMPUTER LOVE / COMPUTER LEIBE Music: Hutter/Bartos Lyric: Hutter/Schult HOMECOMPUTER / HEIMCOMPUTER Music: Hutter/Schneider/Bartos Lyric: Schneider IT'S MORE FUN TO COMPUTE Music: Hutter/Schneider/Bartos BOING BOOM TSCHAK Hutter/Schneider/Bartos TECHNO POP Hutter/Schneider/Bartos/Schult MUSIQUE NON STOP Hutter/Schneider/Bartos THE TELEPHONE CALL / DER TELEFON ANRUF Hutter/Schneider/Bartos SEX OBJECT / SEX OBJEKT Hutter/Schneider/Bartos ELECTRIC CAFE Hutter/Schneider/Bartos/Schmitt also I had a look at: TOUR DE FRANCE Music: Hutter/Schneider/Bartos Lyric: Hutter/Schmitt (except the original German version, where the lyric is by by Hutter alone) STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 25 Jul 96 07:20:57 EDT Subject: More KW bits in UK music press Really-From: Mark Stagg <101706.1667@CompuServe.COM> This weeks weekly UK music press (dated 27/7/96) features some more KW-related bits: NME has a piss-taking "Kraftwerk in Warts-and-all Documentary" piece which in vaguely humourous fashion reports on a fictictious documentary entitled "Dramas and Diodes" (after Elton John's recent "Tantrums and Tiaras" recently shown on UK TV). Melody Maker meanwhile has a 2-page "Guide To Krautrock" which briefly takes in KW, and also covers Can, Faust, Amon Duul and others, and their influence on today's music. Quite interesting IMHO, but given the space restriction, not particularly in-depth or anything. STAGGMAN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 07:23:32 -0400 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #640 Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >Just got a CD single from a band called 'Kraftwelt' called 'deranged in >space'. 12 different mixes of the song 'deranged' and a mix of the song 'The >Path' (around 78 minutes total CD time). VERY KW'ish, right down to the cover >art. On the back is written 'Dedicated to Ralph and Florian' > >Not bad. The mixes are quite listenable. > >CD info: >Label- Hypnotic >Number- CLP 9781-2 I agree! It's actually a done quite well. I recommend it. >> I had always hoped that one day >> we'd see an alt.music.kraftwerk newsgroup, but there just don't seem to be >> enough of us fanatic KW fans around anymore to make that happen. Anyone know what it takes to start up a newsgroup? If some of those onscure, nonsense bands can have one, so can Kraftwerk. Let's do some investigation here... - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 07:25:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Infobahn Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >Really-From: Anders Wilhelm > >Thank you all for your massive support of the infobahr. >It is online again. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!! WE ALL THANK YOU!!! - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:15:20 +6000 Subject: Elegance and DECADENCE... Really-From: Francesco Gardinali Hi friends! The glorious TEE (the train!) (or one of them) is parked near my city's central station (Pavia, 35 Km far from Milan, North Italy). It's "sequestrated" because it seems there's some asbestos on the ceiling! Sigh! Frank ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 18:49:05 +0200 Subject: Re: Elegance and DECADENCE... Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > The glorious TEE (the train!) (or one of them) is parked near my city's > central station (Pavia, 35 Km far from Milan, North Italy). what's this train? I've never heard about it, more info?? Tim - -- __________________________________________________________________ \_ Timour JGENTI ________ Institut Francais du Petrole ________\ \_ timour.jgenti@ifp.fr \__ DIMA, groupe Image ____\ \_ http://www.utbm.fr/les.personnes/lu.chen/timourpages/tim.html _\ \_________________________________________________________________\ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: KW in WWW Music Database. Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Fellow Kraftwerkians, For those of you who have not heard of this site, I just thought I'd point out that there's a decent page for in one of the WWW's Music Databases. The page contains a list of various KW recordings (original, bootleg, live, etc.) and their corresponding track listings, playing times, and so on. Anyone can add additional entries to this page at anytime, and people are also able to vote by giving each entry a rating from 1 to 10. The page also has a direct hypertext link to the KW Infobahr as well. This page is not new at all and has been around for quite a while, but I just figured I'd mention it for those newer list members who may be relatively new to the Internet or new to Kraftwerk. Long time KW fans and long time users of the Net alike won't find anything new here. However, the page can be accessed at the following web address: http://www.cs.uit.no/Music/View/kraftwerk Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Rendezvous on Champs d'Elysse..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:44:41 +0200 Subject: TEE, the train Really-From: Paulo Mouat >> The glorious TEE (the train!) (or one of them) is parked near my >> city's central station (Pavia, 35 Km far from Milan, North Italy). > > what's this train? I've never heard about it, more info?? You can always check an encyclopedia, a Marklin catalogue of miniatures or the booklet's inner cover of Trans Europa Express (or the vinyl, for that matter). The train was really the source of the name for the album. Best! - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 10:45:00 +0200 Subject: 'Kraftwelt' CD single Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>(around 78 minutes total CD time) Just a single? I wonder on how many CDs the real Album will be (or is) published. Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 10:46:00 +0200 Subject: Re: The demise of the Infobahr Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Let's all give Anders some support and try to persuade him to KML>reinstate it. e-Mail-Adress? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 04:21:09 +0200 Subject: Re: The demise of the Infobahr Really-From: lbo >>Let's all give Anders some support and try to persuade him to reinstate it. >>Anyone...? > > Yep, I'm totally in favor of lending my support to this one. The add me, too. >Infobahr was always one of my favorite sites out there and without it well, it was the *first* site I went to, just after a friend explained me how to use yahoo... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 04:21:12 +0200 Subject: K inactivity Really-From: lbo >And that's the problem. 10 years of no substantially new material, 5 >years since we last heard from them at all. It's hard to be that pumped >a KW fan if they're just not doing anything... you start doing bootleg, that's what happened to friends of mine... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #641 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #642 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 27 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 642 Re: K Inactivity and Kraftwelt CD Kraftwerk Web Sites Re: Kraftwerk Web Sites Re: The lost Karl Bartos end subscription Dave Rout ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:02:43 -0400 Subject: Re: K Inactivity and Kraftwelt CD Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) On the Kraftwelt CD single: >Just a single? >I wonder on how many CDs the real Album will be (or is) published. It might be good to note that even though the CD is marketed as a single, most of the remixes share only the name - the music is completely different. IMO, I'm not quite sure why they call it remixes... - -John And on Kraftwerk's inactivity: >>And that's the problem. 10 years of no substantially new material, 5 >>years since we last heard from them at all. It's hard to be that pumped >>a KW fan if they're just not doing anything... >you start doing bootleg, that's what happened to friends of mine... Yes. Do the bootleg thing! I simply couldn't take it anymore, so I gave in. And I must say, I'm glad I did! I've found some wonderful stuff - videos, records, tapes and CD's. I might also add that "boot's" are not EASY to come by and the search alone should keep you quite busy (and Kraftwerk >PUMPED!<). And of course there's that great feeling of accomplishment once you locate one of these treasures. Just do it! BTW, even searching for those RARE LP's and remixes is quite fun!... Some suggestions: Neue Kraft - LIVE Saga Hall, Copenhagen 1991 2LP Picture disk Numbers (a.k.a. "Nippon Numbers", a.k.a. "Virtuex Machina" ) CD - LIVE 1981 Computer Tour CD LIVE 1981 (w/rare awesome LIVE perf. of "Metrtopolis") Return of the Mensche Machine 2LP - LIVE 1990! The pre-"The Mix" concert! Kling Und Klang CD - LIVE 1991. Great concert! "Non-Stop" MTV Theme audio file from the Kraftwerk Infobahn at http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk.html This clip is AWESOME! This is a whole new song, my friends (only about a minute though). This might be some insight on what to expect on the next release. Happy Hunting! - -John "Non-Stop" Talbert ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:25:53 -0400 Subject: Kraftwerk Web Sites Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Here are some of the Kraftwerk web sites that I've found: http://www.cs.uit.no/Music/View/kraftwerk// http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/5596/ http://underground.internet.com/lookit/sleepbot/html/kraftwrk.htmlPage) http://ernie.mi.uni-koeln.de/~tweckert/kwk.html http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/r/roeder.klaus/kraftwerk/schult.emi l/kraftwerk - Picture archive I hope these are useful to those new to the list and the www. - -John "Non-Stop" Talbert ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:33:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Web Sites Really-From: datta@archive.uwp.edu In article <4taeai$apk@news.inc.net> you wrote: : Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) : http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/artists/r/roeder.klaus/kraftwerk/schult.emi : l/kraftwerk - Picture archive This could really be shortened to: http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/pictures/k/kraftwerk/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:55:50 -0400 Subject: Re: The lost Karl Bartos Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Maybe it is the laugh from "Situation." Hard to tell, the laugh from "Angel" is similar. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 18:02:35 -0700 Subject: end subscription Really-From: rick Please stop sending Kraftwerk mail. Thanks.... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 00:01:18 -0400 Subject: Dave Rout Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com OK - I am officially giving up on the videos that I ordered in early MARCH and viewing this as a complete scam. Thanks a lot, Dave. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #642 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #643 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 28 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 643 Re: 'Kraftwelt' CD single Re: end subscription ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 27 Jul 96 06:08:48 EDT Subject: Re: 'Kraftwelt' CD single Really-From: Ian Calder <101460.571@CompuServe.COM> > Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > > Just got a CD single from a band called 'Kraftwelt' called 'deranged in > space'. 12 different mixes of the song 'deranged' and a mix of the song 'The > Path' (around 78 minutes total CD time). VERY KW'ish, right down to the cover > art. On the back is written 'Dedicated to Ralph and Florian' According to some information I received from the Cleopatra label earlier this year, 'Kraftwelt' are actually one and the same as Audio Science, who contributed a couple of tracks to the 'Trance-Werk Express' Volume 1 CD last year. They are described as 'in the spirit of Kraftwerk' and a CD called 'Sonic Audio Engineers' was mentioned, which I take to be the parent album of the single? Anyway, it's worth also mentioning that the Hypnotic/Cleopatra label also have plans for a second volume of the 'Trance-Werk Express' cover versions album sometime this year. Ian Calder ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 27 Jul 96 14:12:25 +0000 Subject: Re: end subscription Really-From: Brendan Heading flibble smeerie kraftwerk mailing list, squeaderum bleederum smeederum smelly wibble wibble end subscription bonky-bonky pukum sminky bonk.... >Really-From: rick >Please stop sending Kraftwerk mail. Thanks.... Erm, you'd be best sending an email to : Majordomo@cs.uwp.edu and put this in the main body of the message: unsubscribe kraftwerk rlhome19@mail.idt.net Then it'll stop. OK ? - -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |***** Brendan Heading : email brendan@heading.demon.co.uk ******| |***** Amiga A1200 020 545MB HD 2MB RAM ******| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| "I didn't want to make music any longer. I didn't want to be a robot. I didn't want to make concerts, even, I didn't want to be with the boys after all those years" --- Wolfgang Fleur, on leaving Kraftwerk in 1987. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #643 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #644 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 29 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 644 Re: Infobahr online Re: Dave Rout New album?????? Survey!!!! Hypothetical. Re: Dave Rout msg from dave rout Re: Dave Rout Happy Belated B-Day, Wolfgang. Track credits [Re: A: Who is Schmitt?] Re: Track credits ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 16:42:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Infobahr online Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Thank you all for your massive support of the infobahr. >It is online again. If you have material you want to >put into the infobahr don't hesitate to contact me. > > Splendid news! Perhaps you could inform us of how many people have visited the site this year. I think we should consider ways of advertising on the net. For example, I recently found a search engine whose producer was looking for a sponsor. In return a hotspot to the kraftwerk home page would be included. Maybe we could offer to pay some money after being given a free trial period. Of course the intention would be to pull out of the arrangement once the free trial expired. Another idea would be to send mailings to lists that discuss similar sorts of music. For example, there is an early 1980's music mailing list, some of its members must be interested in Kraftwerk. Another suggestion would be to contact some of the techno lists, many of those guys are also into Kraftwerk. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 16:48:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Dave Rout Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) >Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com > > >OK - I am officially giving up on the videos that I ordered in early MARCH >and viewing this as a complete scam. Thanks a lot, Dave. > I've always warned about entering into deals across the net. I think Lazlo Nibble has a tendency to take offence to the things which some people write on this list. IMO those who are ripping off members in the way described above are the real villains. Lazlo - perhaps as administrator you should warn all members of the dangers of entering into this sort of deal. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 16:56:02 +0100 Subject: New album?????? Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of a new album? For anyone in the UK who's into Kraftwerk and nightclubs try Planet Earth in London. This plays Kraftwerk tracks all the time and does some interesting mixes. It only 6 - 10 pounds to get in and is filled with Kraftwerk/ HL / DM type people. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 16:59:37 +0100 Subject: Survey!!!! Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) Politically do you consider yourself to be either: Left Wing Middle of the Road Right Wing I'd be interested to know. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Hypothetical. Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Fellow Kraftwerkians, This is a purely hypothetical scenario that I just dreamt up, and I figure that this can be fun speculation for KW list members. We all know that there have been plenty of movies that have come out over the years which recount the stories of how popular musical bands came into being. For example, there have been movies tracing the histories and careers of people like The Beatles (BackBeat), Richie Valens (La Bamba), The Doors (The Doors), The Beach Boys (I forgot the name of this film), Tina Turner (What's Love Got To Do With It), and the list goes on and on. Imagine if a serious movie were going to be made to tell the Kraftwerk story, recounting all the major events in the history of KW starting from Ralf & Florian meeting in Dusseldorf and going all the way through 'The Mix' era. One of the things I would find most interesting about such a picture would be the actors that would be cast to play the roles. So, I ask for your ideas - If you could cast any actors to play the roles of Ralf, Florian, Karl, and Wolfgang, who would they be? Have fun with this one, kids. :o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Now she's a big success, I want to meet her again..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 12:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Dave Rout Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >>OK - I am officially giving up on the videos that I ordered in early MARCH >>and viewing this as a complete scam. Thanks a lot, Dave. >I've always warned about entering into deals across the net. I think Lazlo >Nibble has a tendency to take offence to the things which some people write >on this list. IMO those who are ripping off members in the way described >above are the real villains. Just to jump to Dave Rout's defense, I feel I should say that I was one of the 10 people on Dave's list of video recipients and I did indeed receive the video tapes that I ordered from him. The box that Dave sent the tapes to me in was postmarked April 10th, and I received them only a few days after that date. So, I don't think it's necessarily appropriate to say that Dave is a scam artist trying to rip people off. All I know is that I did not get ripped off by him, and chances are that there have been more problems with the postal system than with anyone in particular. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Sell it on a talk show...Put it on a video..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 12:47 EDT Subject: msg from dave rout Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) Responding to msg by kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) on Sat, 27 Jul 0:1 AM >Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com > > >OK - I am officially giving up on the videos that I >ordered in early MARCH >and viewing this as a complete scam. Thanks a lot, >Dave. i posted a notice to this list a while ago saying that i was overwhelmed with requests and that i was doing the best i can to get the videos out...i have NEVER ripped anyone off in my almost 3 years of doing "business" on the net...in fact , I have been ripped off a few times so i know what it feels like... i sent out a few in the last couple of weeks, and i'll be sending more out soon... i also sent out a notice that i was trying to contact a person in australia who sent me money for tapes, but i never received a reply... furthermore , i also posted to this list that people who were still waiting for tapes should email me so i could expedite things, but ONLY 2 people got back to me... i have never ripped anybody off, but i did get in over my head , and i promise this will be taken care of asap. dave ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 12:49 EDT Subject: Re: Dave Rout Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) Responding to msg by kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) on Sun, 28 Jul 12:38 PM >Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" > > Just to jump to Dave Rout's defense, I feel I >should say that I was>one of the 10 people on Dave's list of video recipients>and I did indeed >receive the video tapes that I ordered from him. The >box that Dave sent the>tapes to me in was postmarked April 10th, and I >received them only a few >days after that date. So, I don't think it's >necessarily appropriate to say >that Dave is a scam artist trying to rip people off. >All I know is that I >did not get ripped off by him, and chances are that >there have been more >problems with the postal system than with anyone in >particular. > >Robotically Yours, >Scott M. Barnhill >mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu >"Sell it on a talk show...Put it on a video..." > > thanks scott, i appreciate that...dave :) " i'm the operator with my pocket calculator " -kw- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 14:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Happy Belated B-Day, Wolfgang. Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" Oops! No-one remembered to wish Wolfgang Flur a happy birthday 11 days ago on the 17th of July. Wolfgang turned 49 years of age, so happy belated birthday to Wolfgang (as if he reads these mailings...). For those of you who are interested in this sort of trivia, Ralf (the oldest member of KW) will be turning a golden 50 years of age next month on the 20th of August. We'll all have to get him a birthday cake shaped like either a traffic cone or a robot to celebrate. ;o) Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "Life is timeless...Europe Endless..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 21:20:00 +0200 Subject: Track credits [Re: A: Who is Schmitt?] Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>There are discrepancies, sometimes. I recall someone on this list KML>recently said Bartos had credits for the whole of 'Computer World' KML>except one of the tracks, Computer Love (or Homecomputer, I don't KML>remember exactly), but on my 'Computer World' Elektra CD 9 3549-2 KML>Bartos is credited on every single track. Unfortunately my german KML>version CD 'Computerwelt' does not have any song-by-song credits. I said, that Bartos was not credited on "Homecomputer" -- at leat on my Vinyl-album "Computerwelt". Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 21:22:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Track credits Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>HOMECOMPUTER / HEIMCOMPUTER KML>Music: Hutter/Schneider/Bartos KML>Lyric: Schneider On my German album there is no title "Heimcomputer". On the sleeve the English title is mentioned, but the text goes: "Am *Heimcomputer* sitz ich hier und programmier die Zukunft mir." Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #644 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #645 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 30 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 645 Re: Happy Belated B-Day, Wolfgang. Re: Survey!!!! Re: Survey!!!! RE: hypothetical - Kraftwerk : The Motion Picture Re: hypothetical - Kraftwerk : The Motion Picture Re: Possibility of a new album Re: Possibility of a new album electronic Review Re: Hypothetical Movie KW in SPRINGFIELD Re: Dave Rout Re: Survey!!!! Concerts on video... Re: Possibility of a new album Re: Possibility of a new album Records Happy Belated B-Day, Wolfgang. Stop sending us stuff... Re: Concerts on video... Re: Concerts on video... Re: Possibility of a new album ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:18:30 +0200 Subject: Re: Happy Belated B-Day, Wolfgang. Really-From: lbo >August. We'll all have to get him a birthday cake shaped like either a >traffic cone or a robot to celebrate. ;o) good idea! maybe this will open the doors of Kling Klang! who know something about K food tastes? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:18:28 +0200 Subject: Re: Survey!!!! Really-From: lbo At 16:59 28/07/96 +0100, you wrote: >Left Wing >Middle of the Road >Right Wing I'm afraid this topic will bring to flames, anyway let's go. I personally believe that these categories, left, right, etc., are outdated. while I am a sort of guy that should be tutelated from a leftish arragement of the things (I am now 32, jobless, etc.) I also think that some right issues, like an "internal" nationalism are not bad. for internal nationalism I would say something like national solidarity, or being able to put your community's interest over your one's, when needed time to time, and not we're the only nation and the other suck, and let's expand as much as we can. On the other way, I am against racism and organized violence. So, some of my opinion should be labeled right, oher left. the problem is that "right" was in some ambient, and expecially in nation like Italy which had totalitarian governement, and for some good reason, a shortcut for anything undesirable, and not, for instance, conservative. I think one should label himself in a more pragmatic way. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:34:58 +0200 Subject: Re: Survey!!!! Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > Left Wing > Middle of the Road > Right Wing I'm in the middle of the road, going ahead faster and faster trying to escape the attraction of this plane world and fly away... and You Brian? (i think i know it, but you could tell it to everyone when asking... :-) ) Tim - -- - -== Timour JGENTI Institut Francais du Petrole ==- - -== timour.jgenti@ifp.fr DIMA, groupe Image ==- - -== http://www.utbm.fr/les.personnes/lu.chen/timourpages/tim.html ==- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 02:45:47 -0700 Subject: RE: hypothetical - Kraftwerk : The Motion Picture Really-From: "Shane Wims (Berlitz)" Kraftwerk : The Motion Picture Starring Leonard Nimoy as Florian William Shatner as Ralf !!!! shane j. v-shanew@microsoft.com ph. 01-706 5749 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:59:11 +0200 Subject: Re: hypothetical - Kraftwerk : The Motion Picture Really-From: Timour.JGENTI@ifp.fr (Timour JGENTI) > Kraftwerk : The Motion Picture > > Starring > > Leonard Nimoy as Florian > William Shatner as Ralf ha ha ha, excellent! and music by Vangelis :-) - -- - -== Timour JGENTI Institut Francais du Petrole ==- - -== timour.jgenti@ifp.fr DIMA, groupe Image ==- - -== http://www.utbm.fr/les.personnes/lu.chen/timourpages/tim.html ==- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 08:23:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Possibility of a new album Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) > >Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of a new album? An article in the September 95 issue of the 'unofficial' Kraftwerk Fanzine 'Aktivitat' quotes an article where Ralf Hutter promises to release new Kraftwerk material "Sometime next year" - which quoted from 1995 would be THIS year. So YEP! There is hope!!!! I just hope it won't be much longer. I'm even running out of bootlegs to BTW: If you haven't heard, Esprit Mail Order is offering a Japanese release of the Computer World CD which will include 3 bonus tracks! What are they? Hold on to your traffic cones: The original 1981 Japanese version of "Pocket Calculator" (a.k.a. Dentaku) AND.........TWO VERSIONS OF - T O U R D E F R A N C E!!!!! Availability is scheduled for late August! Cost about 24 pounds (or about $39.00 U.S. dollars) buy. Oh, woe is me! - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:03:08 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Re: Possibility of a new album Really-From: KentKSHBSiv On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) > > > >Really-From: bwgeal@easynet.co.uk (Brian Gaze) > > > >Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of a new album? > An article in the September 95 issue of the 'unofficial' Kraftwerk Fanzine > 'Aktivitat' quotes an article where Ralf Hutter promises to release new > Kraftwerk material "Sometime next year" - which quoted from 1995 would be > THIS year. So YEP! There is hope!!!! > Ok, but could they really just bring out a new album just like that, with no announcements from any record company whatsoever. I mean, would'nt we hear from something from the record company that a new album is approaching?? /Daniel Nilsson ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 29 JUL 96 15:43:42 EDT Subject: electronic Review Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Hi all, I'm still off the list but I thought to mention my opinion of the new Electronic cd which I just got. It is clearly a mixture of NewOrder/Smiths/Electric Music. THere seem to be no kraftwerk like moments at all. The style seem to be spearheaded by Bernard of NO. The first two songs are quite nice however; nice if you like the smiths. infact Morressy could have easily sung them. They are both pretty with layers of guitar and nice melodies. THe synths here are simply a stringy drone in the background on one and an arpegiator solo (boring) on the other. Bartos has been co-writer of these two songs so I guess he helped with the lyric and structure. Song 7 (forget name) is clearly a Bartos lead project. It's style and structure are very much like works on "Esparante". I found the rest of the CD to be terrible. The rest of the songs seemed to be that New Order disco pulp (No Ceremony here!!!) with those cliche stabby acoustic piano chord stabs commonly used in almost every rave song. (I do not think that acoustic piano should ever be mixed with synthetic sounds). These terrible songs were however peppered with incredible synth parts that came and went so fast that I got mad. Clearly it was Bartos trying to break through however someone really kept his reigns tight....too bad Two breathtaking,dark,moody string/orchastral passages open two songs. They are possibly the work of Marr or Bartos. I did like them eventhough they last only 3-5sec and sound like they are a lost part of a movie sound track. The TB-303 riffs in two songs were agressive and interesting however I think that Bernie probably had a part to do with these. I do not think that Bartos would ever go for such a cliche sound however he may have programmed the sequence. Hope this helps Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:57:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Hypothetical Movie Really-From: Fred Becker I think Allen Alda (of Mash) looks like Florian Schneider. Scott M. Barnhill, mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu, wrote: If you could cast any actors to play the roles of Ralf, Florian, Karl, and Wolfgang, who would they be? Have fun with this one, kids. :o) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 29 Jul 96 17:58:00 GMT Subject: KW in SPRINGFIELD Really-From: Mike.Pitt@mail.sema.co.uk Interesting to hear Kraftwerk namechecked in 'The Simpsons' last night (UK). I guess it won't be long now before they do a concert in Moe's Tavern :-) Mike. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:05:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Dave Rout Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com I just had to post my situation basically to see if others were alike. He has contacted me, and things are a o k. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Survey!!!! Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" Please don't respond to this to the list. It's rabidly offtopic and will lead to nothing but flamewars . . . - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Concerts on video... Really-From: Troy Morehouse Does anyone know of any Kraftwerk concerts on video? - -Troy ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 13:12:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Possibility of a new album Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > Ok, but could they really just bring out a new album just like that, with > no announcements from any record company whatsoever. I mean, would'nt we > hear from something from the record company that a new album is approaching?? Not necessarily. Unless you're talking about the new Madonna or Hootie And The Blowfish album, most labels don't start the pre-release hype until they have a release date scheduled (and not even then in many cases). At any rate, no such album has been announced, so anything that's said about it now is just rumor-mongering and blind guesswork. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 21:30:15 +0000 Subject: Re: Possibility of a new album Really-From: "Gustav Holmberg" > At any rate, no such album has been announced, so anything that's said > about it now is just rumor-mongering and blind guesswork. Let's get some numerological assistance in the rumor-mongering and blind guesswork: Computer World (1981) Electric Cafe (1986) The Mix (1991) Yes the five year interval significant? Do Kraftwerk have a contract that force them to make an album at least every fifth year ? :-) Gustav Holmberg - -------------------------------------------------------------- Gustav Holmberg, PhD student, History of Science and Ideas Lund University, Sweden. Gustav.Holmberg@fil.lu.se http://www.df.lth.se/~wilt ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:46:12 -0400 Subject: Records Really-From: Tim Gross Finally I contribute. I have been lurking in this mailing list for awhile now. And oh how I do love Kraftwerk. A big thanks to the guy that runs the WWW page thanks for putting it back up. A couple days ago I was browsing through the infobar looking at the earlier kraftwerk releases. And saw the first record cut by Ralph and Florian. Well there was a record show this weekend and low and behold I found it. YES Kraftwerk #1 with Ralph and Florian on the cover for the low low price of $19. I also found Electronic Cafe for $5 sealed! Umm small note to whoever updates the discography. I dj/collect dance music and last summer there was a bootleg out of Miami umm I believe it contained Numbers, Tour de France and hmm some others. Do you cover bootlegs? Because a friend of mine owns these and I can get the complete listing if you would like one? General question: What is the best way to get video's? After reading all this stuph the past few days I am confused to whom I am to email for more info/prices/etc Tim Gross - twg4461@garnet.acns.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 15:04:00 +0200 Subject: Happy Belated B-Day, Wolfgang. Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Oops! No-one remembered to wish Wolfgang Flur a happy birthday 11 KML>days ago on the 17th of July. Wolfgang turned 49 years of age, so KML>happy belated birthday to Wolfgang (as if he reads these KML>mailings...). For those of you who are interested in this sort of KML>trivia, Ralf (the oldest member of KW) will be turning a golden 50 KML>years of age next month on the 20th of August. We'll all have to get KML>him a birthday cake shaped like either a traffic cone or a robot to KML>celebrate. ;o) Maybe we should all wait for him in front of the Kling Klang studio. ;-) Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 15:45:14 -0700 Subject: Stop sending us stuff... Really-From: Sonja PLEASE STOP SENDING US STUFF!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Concerts on video... Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" >Does anyone know of any Kraftwerk concerts on video? Well, as far as "official" KW videos go, the band has never released any of their actual music videos for consumer consumption. The only KW video that can actually be bought legally (to my knowledge) is the 'Stop Sellafield' concert featuring performers like KW, U2, and so on. Kraftwerk is featured playing "Radio-Activity" in response to the nuclear devastation left behind in areas like Sellafield, Hiroshima, Harrisburgh, and Tschernobyl (sp?). Other than that, all their promo videos, concert videos, and TV appearances are pretty much bootlegs if you own copies of them. Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "From station to station..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 00:01:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Concerts on video... Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > Does anyone know of any Kraftwerk concerts on video? I know the following Kraftwerk bootleg concert videos: 01) Bologna, 07.02.1990 02) Sheffield, 16.07.1991 03) London, 19.07.1991 04) London, 20.07.1991 05) Muenchen, 28.10.1991 06) Saragossa, 09.11.1991 07) Utrecht, 13.11.1991 08) Bruxelles, 14.11.1991 09) Tourcoing, 15.11.1991 10) Milano, 17.11.1991 11) Leicester, 18.06.1992 12) Osnabrueck, 27.05.1993 Excerpts from the following concerts were shown on TV: 01) Paris, 14.02.1973 ("Pop 2", NL) 02) Wien, 21.11.1981("Die Mensch-Maschine", D) 03) Utrecht, 10.12.1981 (BGTV, NL) 04) London, 19.07.1991 ("P.O.P.", Tele 5, D) 05) Lyon, 05.11.1991 ("TF 1 News", F) 06) Manchester, 19.06.1992 (also commercially available on the "Stop Sellafield" Video) I would be grateful for any additions to these lists. Has anyone the TV features with the excerpts from Paris 1973 and Utrecht 1981 on tape? Thank you, Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 05:33:20 +0200 Subject: Re: Possibility of a new album Really-From: Paulo Mouat >> Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of a new album? > An article in the September 95 issue of the 'unofficial' Kraftwerk > Fanzine 'Aktivitat' quotes an article where Ralf Hutter promises to > release new Kraftwerk material "Sometime next year" - which quoted > from 1995 would be THIS year. So YEP! There is hope!!!! Except that Ralf is promising an album 'sometime next year' since years before that. - -- __|__ ___\_/___ ___ Paulo Mouat, |___| mouat@mail.telepac.pt |___| ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #645 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #646 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 31 July 1996 Volume 02 : Number 646 Re: Possibility of New KW CD Re: Concerts on video... Re: Possibility of a new album Re: msg from ralf grasso to dave Rout Re: Early Kraftwerk Albums Heute Abend CD Re: Possibility of New KW CD I'VE HAD ENUFF, let's find out if! The importance of quotes from Ralf Huetter Re: Early Kraftwerk Albums Re: Possibility of New KW CD idMusic Home Page Re: hypothetical - Kraftwerk : The Motion Picture Re: Concerts on video... Re: Hypothetical Movie KW in SPRINGFIELD Re: msg from ralf grasso to dave Rout Heute Abend CD msg from me to dave Rout ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:31:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Possibility of New KW CD Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Over the weekend, someone wrote: >>Has anyone heard anything about the possibility of a new album? >An article in the September 95 issue of the 'unofficial' Kraftwerk Fanzine To which I responded: >'Aktivitat' quotes an article where Ralf Hutter promises to release new >Kraftwerk material "Sometime next year" - which quoted from 1995 would be >THIS year. So YEP! There is hope!!!! To which others responded: [I]: >Ok, but could they really just bring out a new album just like that, with >no announcements from any record company whatsoever. I mean, would'nt we >hear from something from the record company that a new album is approaching?? [II]: >At any rate, no such album has been announced, so anything that's said >about it now is just rumor-mongering and blind guesswork. [III] >Except that Ralf is promising an album 'sometime next year' since years >before that. IMO: Based on these responses, I seems that we've all GIVEN UP HOPE! Sure its been a long time but, still no longer than previous releases 1978, 1981, 1986, 1991). As a matter of fact, if they keep true to their previous schedule of releases (usually about 3 to 5 years), then YES the time is right! And this year is still FIVE months from over! Oh yeah - And I was ABSOLUTELY not trying to start a rumor! (I hate rumors myself). I'm merely passing on some very important information I've come across that actually is really the only known OFFICIAL mention of anything new (being from Hutter himself!) In my eyes, its very exciting news! Its really kind of sad that when information hits the internet, the first assumed response is that someone is trying to start a rumor again. Just two months ago, several people in a music newsgroup responded in disbelief to the news of the then upcoming "Electronic" CD!!! What's this mailing list for if not passing on information? - - - - OK, I think it's "Pep Rally" time! - - - Remember, Ralf has said that Kraftwerk did not work for 20+ years just to go away! So come on gang - Let's bring the faith back! Go get that Electric Cafe CD/Album/Cassette out RIGHT NOW - put it on - LOUD!!! Polish up your Tour De France records - AND BLAST THEM!!! Turn off the lights, turn up "The Mix" and "blow the WOOFERS OUT"!!! AND THEN SIT BACK AND GET REFOCUSED... - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:33:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Concerts on video... Really-From: lbo >Does anyone know of any Kraftwerk concerts on video? I don't think there are official ones, but the collectionist market is full of boot K live video, some even of tolerable quality. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:33:57 +0200 Subject: Re: Possibility of a new album Really-From: lbo >Computer World (1981) >Electric Cafe (1986) >The Mix (1991) > >Yes the five year interval significant? Do Kraftwerk have a contract >that force them to make an album at least every fifth year ? :-) well, this can be not far from reality, other bands have similar contracts, but with shorter interval, say 1 or 2 years, and surely not lasting 15-20 years like this eventual one... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:10:33 +0930 Subject: Re: msg from ralf grasso to dave Rout Really-From: ralphg@dove.mtx.net.au (Ralf Grasso) >>OK - I am officially giving up on the videos that I >>ordered in early MARCH >>and viewing this as a complete scam. Thanks a lot, >>Dave. >> > i also sent out a notice that i was trying to > contact a person in australia who sent me > money for tapes, but i never received a reply... > Hello Dave i'm replying now, please contact me by private email. Thanks I'm hoping you're telling the truth. bye ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:11:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Early Kraftwerk Albums Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) >Really-From: Tim Gross > >A couple days ago I was browsing through the infobar looking at the >earlier kraftwerk releases. And saw the first record cut by Ralph and >Florian. Well there was a record show this weekend and low and behold I >found it. YES Kraftwerk #1 with Ralph and Florian on the cover for the >low low price of $19... From your description (Ralf and Florian on the cover) it sounds like you have the "Ralf and Florian" album which in fact was their THIRD under the Kraftwerk name - not their first. The first Kraftwerk release was in fact simply entitled "Kraftwerk" and only has a picture of an orange and white traffic cone on a white background cover. This record is quite rare and has been seen selling for $50 - $70 dollars. Their second album "Kraftwerk 2" has the same cover with a green and white traffic cone instead. Again, this is also rare and probably sells between $50 to $65 dollars. The first two albums were also re-released as a two record set entited "Kraftwerk". The cover being dark blue with a single bright blue sine wave across the cover. The re-release is not quite as rare but usually sells for $40 to $60 dollars. All three early KW albums are also available on several bootleg CD's. Should anyone be interested in purchasing them, stick with the Germanofon label - the sound quality is the best. The others (usually listing BONUS tracks) are quite scratchy. - -John "Non-Stop" Talbert "Peace and Automation to All" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:14:17 -0400 Subject: Heute Abend CD Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) Does anyone have the Kraftwerk "Heute Abend" LIVE 2CD? I have the opportunity to buy a copy, but I've heard mixed stories on its sound quality . Can anyone provide some detailed information? Thanks. - -John ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Possibility of New KW CD Really-From: "Scott M. Barnhill" At 08:31 AM 7/30/96 -0400, jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) wrote: >Based on these responses, I seems that we've all GIVEN UP HOPE! Sure its been >a long time but, still no longer than previous releases 1978, 1981, 1986, 1991). >As a matter of fact, if they keep true to their previous schedule of releases >(usually about 3 to 5 years), then YES the time is right! And this year is >still >FIVE months from over! I must strongly agree with John on this issue. I've noticed that KW's lack of new material has put many list members and fans alike in a bit of a bind and has caused them to stray from the fold. However, I do not feel the time is at hand for throwing in the towel of hope. I have also read in several sources (college & commercial music magazines) that KW are expected to put out some kind of album full of new material sometime in 1996 towards the later part of the year. So, while not spreading lots of wild rumours about this possibility, I go about my business with the hopes that they may just be right this time. Even if KW doesn't put something out, that does not in any way change my interest in the band, my respect for them, or how often I listen to them (which may admittedly be a bit too much for my own good health). :o) >So come on gang - Let's bring the faith back! >Go get that Electric Cafe CD/Album/Cassette out RIGHT NOW - put it on - LOUD!!! >Polish up your Tour De France records - AND BLAST THEM!!! >Turn off the lights, turn up "The Mix" and "blow the WOOFERS OUT"!!! Already one step ahead of ya! I was sitting here in the ol' computer room blasting T.E.E. before I even received your post to respond to. ;o) >AND THEN SIT BACK AND GET REFOCUSED... Hear Hear! Robotically Yours, Scott M. Barnhill mbarnhil@email.gc.cuny.edu "We start to move...and we break the glass..." ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:51:54 -0400 Subject: I'VE HAD ENUFF, let's find out if! Really-From: JAMESDADA@aol.com OK, time to get busy.... I'll call my pal Beth (Dir. Publicity ELEKTRA) today and get an official word on if and when there will be a new release. Then we can at least speculate with confidence! I worked closely with Elektra on "The Mix" advertising campaign (two pages @ $ 11,000 in Details....a tidy sum considering most labels balk at $800!). If you can find it, I believe it ran in the October 1991 issue...Keifer Sutherland was on the cover, it was an interesting departure in their marketing. Page one was a photo of the Kraftwerk Robot (actually an imposter) dressed and styled like Robert Johnson (even holding a (YUK!) acoustic guitar)....page two was my somewhat flawed and pre-Bussy book "History of Kraftwerk". I never got to meet them....because they cancelled their NY shows....pissing me off as I couls have been in a little bit of a better position than the classic"Hey...I love you guys...the new record is great record company party bullsh*%". Sorry for going off on a tangent.....I'll post whatever info I get from Beth as soon as I can get to her. best, jd ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:58:55 +0000 Subject: The importance of quotes from Ralf Huetter Really-From: fh5y013@public.uni-hamburg.de > Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) > > I'm merely passing on some very important information I've come across that > actually is really the only known OFFICIAL mention of anything new (being from Hutter > himself!) In my eyes, its very exciting news! Is it? 1. This bit from August 1995 (!) has been mentioned on this list at least 10 times before, so I wouldn't call it "news". 2. A quote from Ralf Huetter is nothing "official". Only EMI can make official statements about EMI releases. 3. There is no proof that the quote is actually authentic. 4. Whenever Ralf Huetter is asked about a new release, his answer is "sometime next year". It is his standard answer to this question since at least 1978, which makes the information from "Q" not necessarily false, but pretty irrelevant. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Early Kraftwerk Albums Really-From: Troy Morehouse > >From your description (Ralf and Florian on the cover) it sounds like you have > the "Ralf and Florian" album which in fact was their THIRD under the > Kraftwerk name - not their first. The first Kraftwerk release was in > fact simply entitled "Kraftwerk" and only has a picture of an orange and white > traffic cone on a white background cover. This record is quite rare and has > been seen selling for $50 - $70 dollars. I have this on bootleg CD. The sound quality is great, and so is the music. As well, I got ahold of the Ralf & Florian album on vinyl. Both are very internesting to listen to. I've got two bootleg concerts on CD (both double CD sets): Computers in Love (Early 80's), and Live in Brixton (performed in the 90's) > -John "Non-Stop" Talbert > "Peace and Automation to All" - -Troy ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:08:51 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Possibility of New KW CD Really-From: "Lazlo Nibble" > Based on these responses, I seems that we've all GIVEN UP HOPE! Don't be silly. Some of us just choose not to get worked up over a "new album" that -- as far as anyone knows -- Kraftwerk hasn't even started to lay down on tape yet. I will enjoy Kraftwerk's next album just as much whether or not I work myself into a misguided frenzy of anticipation first. There'll be enough time for that once the album is actually announced. > What's this mailing list for if not passing on information? I prefer to see it used for passing on REAL information. The "Ralf says there's a new studio album coming" story has been going around since well before The Mix came out. He may mean it every time he says it but he's been saying it for too long with no real results to keep taking it seriously. I don't mind people repeating it when he says it again but please don't get bent out of shape when other people point out that his statements aren't exactly cast in gold! - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:13:21 -0300 Subject: idMusic Home Page Really-From: Dante de Conti Neto Hi everybody in the list, I've a MIDI studio in Brazil and produce Eletronic Instrumental Music Computers, MIDI & Audio Digital. Visit my home page in http://www.ebm.pucpr.br/idmusic/idmusic.htm for know more about our music. I hope any comments in my e-mail box. Thank you. Dante de Conti Neto - idMusic (idmusic@nutecnet.com.br) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 00:25:00 +0200 Subject: Re: hypothetical - Kraftwerk : The Motion Picture Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>and music by Vangelis :-) Nonono! Music by Alexander Courage. ;-) Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 17:06:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Concerts on video... Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>Has anyone the TV features with the excerpts from Paris 1973 and KML>Utrecht 1981 on tape? Whom can I send a videocassette to record me some of the concerts? Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 17:01:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Hypothetical Movie Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>I think Allen Alda (of Mash) looks like Florian Schneider. But I bet his German is terrible. ;-) Greetinx Timo K. aus L. - --- "Es wird immer weitergeh'n. Musik als Träger von Ideen." Kraftwerk: Technopop ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 17:02:00 +0200 Subject: KW in SPRINGFIELD Really-From: Timo_Kozlowski@ba.maus.de (Timo Kozlowski) KML>I guess it won't be long now before they do a concert in Moe's KML>Tavern :-) That would be a cult-episode for me! Mit freundlichen Grüßen Timo K. aus L. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 20:12 EDT Subject: Re: msg from ralf grasso to dave Rout Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) Responding to msg by kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) on Tue, 30 Jul 10:10 PM >Really-From: ralphg@dove.mtx.net.au (Ralf Grasso) >Hello Dave > >i'm replying now, please contact me by private email. >Thanks > >I'm hoping you're telling the truth. > >bye well ralph...if you actually read the message i posted a long time ago, you would have noticed that i had a problem with your email address in australia... i kept getting responses from another person with a similar address to you. what i need you to do is email me and include your email address... the one on your header that i receive here doesn't seem to work... what i was trying to find out was if you had ntsc playback...or do the tapes have to be converted to pal or secam... dave ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 20:16 EDT Subject: Heute Abend CD Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) Responding to msg by kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) on Tue, 30 Jul 9:14 AM >Really-From: jtalbert@ford.com (John Talbert) > > >Does anyone have the Kraftwerk "Heute Abend" LIVE 2CD? >I have the >opportunity to buy a copy, but I've heard mixed stories >on its sound >quality . Can anyone provide some detailed >information? > >Thanks. > >-John the sound quality is decent...nowhere near the quality of "rebuilt in '92" though... the soundcheck of the model where ralf says... "she's looking good i want to fuck her again" is probably worth the price of the cd, i think :) dave ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:07:13 -0400 Subject: msg from me to dave Rout Really-From: ManMachn2@aol.com Dave: Are you getting my private e-mail, because the only time you ever seem to aknowledge that I am awaitng videos is when I e-mail the list. I have e-mailed you each time you have asked, and gotten no response. Thanks. - -jason ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #646 *******************************