From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #231 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 1 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 231 Murat ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 95 15:05 SET Subject: Murat Really-From: Tan Ses It's a test only ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #231 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #232 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 2 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 232 Warning ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 1 MAY 95 18:09:20 EDT Subject: Warning Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA I just heard Trans Slovainian Express and it was terrible! The songs were just too extreme and weird. The Model sounded like Duran Duran (especially that Saxaphone) ManMachine sounded like Black Flag + The Exploited + any Metal band NeonLights was a Blancheu??? Quartet Idea Rip off Radioactivity was like the cocteau twins on Acid + Heroin accompanied by a Xylophone player. Antenna was tolerable Airwaves was boring HomeComputer was the most accecptable yet no vocal made it dull (It's not a very challenging song to sing) OhmSweetOhm was melodic but uneventful Transistor was boring Hall of Mirrors was Crap-Noise The last song was Crap-War-Noise Anything I missed was also too boring to recall. I was lucky in that I had only borrowed the CD. I hope anyone considering buying this CD gives it a listen first. It is very un-kraftwerk in sound and style. It makes Electric Music sound like gods. Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #232 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #233 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 3 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 233 Re: Warning Hello RE: Warning Re: Hello Re: Warning Re: Hello Electronic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 09:13:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Warning Really-From: Erik Knain >Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA > > >I just heard Trans Slovainian Express and it was terrible! The songs were >just too extreme and weird. > Apart from a few tracks (The Modell, Hall of Mirrors), I really like this CD. Transistor is so beautiful! Most of the covers add something to the origional, I think, something inherent in the origional, but not so visible. But I agree that you should listen to it before buying. - - Erik ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 00:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hello Really-From: Robert Wernli Hello. I'm new to this list and there doesn't seem to be much going on so I'll introduce myself. My name's Rob and I've been listening to Kraftwerk for a couple years now, after having had them referred to me. I own The Mix, Computer World, and The Model on CD, Robots on tape, and Autobahn on vinyl (with this hilarious picture of them all as hippies!!!!). =) I just found out about this list and wondered what you guys normally talk about and who you are. Talk to you soon! Rob P.S. Has anybody heard the rumor that Karl Bartos is working with Bernard Sumner and Johnny Marr on the next Electronic album? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 10:15:02 BST Subject: RE: Warning Really-From: SHANE >. It makes Electric Music sound like gods. >Philip Pilgrim Hey! EM *are* gods!!!! - -sj ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 2 May 95 12:13:10 BST Subject: Re: Hello Really-From: Yull S J In an interview with Bernard Sumner in the British music paper NME last year, Sumner was speaking about new material that he will be releasing with Marr under the Electronic name. The subject of collaborations came up, and Sumner said that they had recorded a single with Elektric Music, and it was "in the can". However, I have seen no further info on this single in the NME, and it has not been released in the UK. Looks like yet another potentially interesting release has been scrapped. - -- Steve ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 12:53:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Warning Really-From: paul@school-of-computing.plymouth.ac.uk (EZ123) Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe...... ;) Funny, Paul. (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) EZ as 123... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 02 May 95 09:37:34 CST Subject: Re: Hello Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com > P.S. Has anybody heard the rumor that Karl Bartos is working with > Bernard Sumner and Johnny Marr on the next Electronic album? Yes. Apparently Bartos has been working with them (not sure if he's actually joined). Johnny Marr talks a bit about it in an interview in the UK mag Total Guitar. He says they were expecting Bartos to be some kind of clinical scientific egghead type, but when he arrived in the studio, the first thing he did was throw his coat over the computer and say, "Right, we're not going to be needing this..." to the astonishment of Barney, who was "expecting to build snare samples out of white noise", etc. Larry ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 23:12:01 +0600 Subject: Electronic Really-From: seharley@vt.edu (Sean Harley) I have heard all the news about the new Electronic album with Karl Bartos, and i was just wondering when is it exactly coming out? I heard the first single is titled The Forgotten City. Also, does anyone have any Electronic videos they could dub for me?I know they have made at least two videos. I have two Kraftwerk videos from the Stop Sellafield concert- Radioactivity and the Robots:) Those are the only Kraftwerk videos i have so i would mind any other videos you might have of their's. I got a great techno compilation i could dub too. Write to me personally if interested, thanks:) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #233 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #234 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 4 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 234 Kraftwerk live album KW Live Re: Kraftwerk live album RE: KW Live Re: KW Live ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kraftwerk live album Really-From: Robert Wernli Did Kraftwerk ever release a live album? It would have been fun to see them in concert. I have seen one bootleg with 10 songs or so, but the store wouldn't let me listen to it (it was opened already too!) and it was $35 so I didn't want to take the risk. Did they sound good live, for anybody who might have seen them? Rob ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 3 MAY 95 16:43:07 EDT Subject: KW Live Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA I only saw the Selafield video of Kw live. The two songs sounded identical to those on the Mix. Ralph actually sang though. He used one of those headset mics. For the most part the group seemed to trigger events and adjust mixer channels rather than actually playing. There were silver screens behind each member that were displaying vidieo graphics etc. It was pretty uneventful. The equipment layout was such that the 4 members were side by side with a "pod" infront of each. These pods seem to house keyboards and controllers. Directly behind the group was a 20-30' angled rack of sound modules and mixers. (drool) Also included were the robots. They were behind the sound modules. I heard that KW shared sound triggers with audience member during their computer world 1981-?? tour. I believe that it was in NY that this was supposed to have happened. These hand held units were supposed to have been used to play along with pocket calculator. btw Their LED ties are quite "dorky". Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 15:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk live album Really-From: David Bass > Robert Wernli wrote: > > Did Kraftwerk ever release a live album? It would have been > fun to see them in concert. I have seen one bootleg with 10 songs or > so, but the store wouldn't let me listen to it (it was opened already > too!) and it was $35 so I didn't want to take the risk. Did they > sound good live, for anybody who might have seen them? > The only KW live albums/CDs are bootlegs. Read through the archives of this list (see the FAQ for how to get them) to find out which are good and which aren't. After much reading and deliberation, I recently purchased "Numbers" and was NOT disappointed! Great versions, different than The Mix..."Autobahn" is particularly good. Check the archives for some detailed and rather lengthy descriptions of KW shows...the next best thing to being there, I suppose! David - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Bass | SAS Institute, Documentation Development | Walk by faith sasdgb@sas.com | not by sight. (919) 677-8000, ext. 5682 | - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 15:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: KW Live Really-From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu >Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA >I heard that KW shared sound triggers with audience member during their >computer world 1981-?? tour. I believe that it was in NY that this was >supposed to have happened. These hand held units were supposed to have been >used to play along with pocket calculator. That was a regular feature that tour. At least they were doing it in Detroit at the start of the tour. And they were playing the music. Florian's look of anguish when he missed the breaking glass effect in "Autobahn" was amusing. They did complain that the audience wasn't dancing, but the club was far too crowded for that. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 00:11:32 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Re: KW Live Really-From: Kimmo Erola > Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA > I heard that KW shared sound triggers with audience member during their > computer world 1981-?? tour. I believe that it was in NY that this was > supposed to have happened. These hand held units were supposed to have been > used to play along with pocket calculator. This very same trick happened when I saw Kraftwerk live in Helsinki, Finland on their 1991 tour. Yes: they did sound similar to what you can hear on any KW-album - we even checked the mixerboard that they didn't have DAT connected ... Kimmo ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #234 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #235 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 5 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 235 Best of German Rock Vol. 1 The Story of Pop part 35 Problems with picture file Re: Kraftwerk live album Live Numbers Anyone? TEchno-pop FAQ Does anyone have kraftwerk GIFs? DJ's best ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 11:06:05 MET+100 Subject: Best of German Rock Vol. 1 Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" A CD-ROM "Best of German Rock Vol. 1" was released in Switzerland. It contains a Midi version of "The Model" (not the original version), a Kraftwerk biography, a discography and 25 concert photos (Tiff format). The booklet claims that the photos are previously unreleased. Other artists on this compilation are Marius Mueller-Westernhagen, Die Aerzte, Die Toten Hosen, Udo Lindenberg, Nina Hagen, Spliff, Peter Maffay, Nena and Trio. There is a biography, a discography and one piece of music for each artist. The total number of concert photos is 450. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 11:05:12 MET+100 Subject: The Story of Pop part 35 Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" Those who have missed part 35 of the BBC series "The Story of Pop" and are able to receive German NDR have the chance of listening to this programme, which contains an 1981 interview with Ralf Huetter (and NOT Florian Schneider, as it is announced in the programme), next Wednesday at NDR 4. NDR 2 presents a German version of this programme next Sunday, 21:00 CET. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 11:05:39 MET+100 Subject: Problems with picture file Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" I've tried to download the Barcelona concert ticket file from the cs.uwp.edu Kraftwerk pictures archive. I suppose that it is a ZIP file, but I was not able to extract it with PKUNZIP. Could someone please help me? Am I simply too stupid or is this file damaged? Thanks in advance, Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 May 95 09:54:52 BST Subject: Re: Kraftwerk live album Really-From: Yull S J I saw Kraftwerk live at Norwich in 1992 on the first of their warm up gigs for the "Stop Sellafield" concert. Yes, the songs did sound similar to those on "The Mix", but were not the same. Radioactivity, for example, had an extended instrumental section in the middle, with some very low frequency rumbles included that aren't present on the album. "The Model" was also played in a different form to the original - a possible contender for "The Mix 2", if it ever happens. There was also a new version of "Computer World". By the way, Kraftwerks well rehearsed show is NOT infallible. During the start of Autobahn, some of the tracks started to play slowly, and the band looked very bewildered. A hasty restart gave a different version of Autobahn, with much of the expected music missing. At the end of this song, a heckler shouted "I'll see you outside", to the delight of his friends. To the delight of the rest of the audience, Ralf replied instantly "I shall leave by the back entrance." The crowd went wild. - -- Steve ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 12:09:15 +0100 Subject: Live Numbers Anyone? Really-From: paul@school-of-computing.plymouth.ac.uk (Paul Maguire) Are there any CD recordings of Kraftwerk's last tour (I saw them in Edinburgh and Glasgow, Scotland) - when they did the best Numbers of all time (hip-hop/electro meets industrial). I have a super-dodgy live tape of it for old time's sake but it would be great to have it properly recorded thru the desk or something... CYA! Paul. (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) EZ123... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 16:25:55 -0400 Subject: TEchno-pop FAQ Really-From: MoogBoy@aol.com Can anyone send me the FAQ issue that covers Techno pop? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 16:25:51 -0400 Subject: Does anyone have kraftwerk GIFs? Really-From: MoogBoy@aol.com Can anyone send me some kraftwerk GIFs? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 16:25:58 -0400 Subject: DJ's best Really-From: MoogBoy@aol.com Does anyone have this German CD...and if so, what version of Tour De France is on it? ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #235 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #236 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 6 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 236 DJ's best kraftwerk / cluster Re: KW Live Re: Kraftwerk live album ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 11:02:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: DJ's best Really-From: "W. Keenan" where can one find this CD?? i've been looking for this for quite a while... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 23:10:48 -0400 Subject: kraftwerk / cluster Really-From: Curryous@aol.com i will be releasing two new releases on my label, curious music, by moebius & plank "en route" and roedelius "selbstportrait VI". As you know there was a close kraftwerk / neu / harmonia / cluster link in the early 70s. If anyone is interested in more information please contact me. curryous@aol.com thank you ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 23:10:42 -0400 Subject: Re: KW Live Really-From: Curryous@aol.com i saw kraftwerk in 1981. they used little handheld devices during thier encore for "pocket calculator". they let audience members play them at different points in the song. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 23:10:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk live album Really-From: Curryous@aol.com i bought a double live kraftwerk bootleg in 1986 from the computer world tour of dubious sound quality but nice nonetheless. I saw them in 1981 and they were very good ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #236 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #237 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 8 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 237 Hi there ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 23:07:04 -0400 Subject: Hi there Really-From: TKCOLLAPSE@aol.com What is the difference between a reflector and daily digest format? I would like to recieve the most informative of the two. Looking forward to hearing from you, Bill O'Brien 66 George St. # 537 Charleston, SC 29424 (803) 766-8250 ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #237 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 9 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 238 USA / Canadian 1981 tour dates 1981 Tour in Chicago Warning = recommendation arabian greatest hits... Vol.2 Digest Compilation? Man Machine and Music (Was: Vol.2 Digest Compilation?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 12:41:41 MET+100 Subject: USA / Canadian 1981 tour dates Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" Paul Wilkinson, who compiled the provisional list of the 1981 Kraftwerk tour dates which was published in issue 6 of the Kraftwerk fanzine "Aktivitaet", is currently working on an updated version for issue 7. His European dates are now almost complete, but he has still some problems finding out the dates and locations of the US and Canadian concerts. He would be grateful for any information. Here comes the fragmentic list of the US/Canadian concert dates I've found out myself: - - Detroit Nitro Rock Club 25.07.1981 - - Detroit Nitro Rock Club 26.07.1981 ??? (uncertain) - - Boston 1981 - - Pittsburgh 1981 - - San Francisco 1981 - - Los Angeles 1981 - - Washington Warner Theatre 02.08.1981 - - New York The Ritz 03.08.1981 - - New York The Ritz 04.08.1981 - - Santa Monica Civic Auditorium 08.1981 - - Montreal Palace des Arts 1981 If you have any additions or corrections, please mail them to the list or directly to me. If you want to contact Paul personally, his adress is: Paul Wilkinson 80 Poulton Old Road Layton, Blackpool, FY3 7LJ England, U.K. Telephone: 0253-391174 Thank you, Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 8 May 95 10:19:00 -0500 Subject: 1981 Tour in Chicago Really-From: rwn@ihlpf.att.com Sorry, I don't have the actual date in my head, but I did attend a Krafwerk concert at the Park West in Chicago during the 1981 tour. It ocurred on a weeknight during the summer, perhaps July. If I can find my ticket stubs I may have the correct date. Bob Neumann ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 23:22:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: Warning = recommendation Really-From: "Aart-Jan van Amerongen" Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA >I just heard Trans Slovainian Express and it was terrible! The songs were >just too extreme and weird. Luckily, tastes differ. Personally I like this Kraftwerk remake by Slovenian artists very much. Especially 'the Model' radiates much of the atmosphere that is to be expected in some background hall with Slovenian artists. Perhaps the album says more when you know more about the background, namely the Slovenian, or in a broader perspective, the Yugoslavian culture. Just as (in my case) you enjoy Kraftwerk more when you know more about the roots and the motives for them making music. So I hope this will warning will pose a tickle of curiousity for other members of this list! And a last word to PPilgrim: do you know the Kraftwerk interpretation by the Rumanian Balanesque Quartet? What do you think of that? /***************************************************************\ * " The chances of anything coming from Mars * * are a million to one they said * * But still, they come.......... * * * * Aart-Jan van Amerongen * * Zadelstraat 35 bis * * 3511 LS UTRECHT * * Tel. +31 (0) 30 367744 * * E-mail: A.J.vanAmerongen@stud.let.ruu.nl) * * * \***************************************************************/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 15:21:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: arabian greatest hits... Really-From: Guillermo Aaron Nunez hi. my name is guillermo nunez and this is my first post to the list. I've a kraftwerk fan for a year now, I first heard about them in 1992, but didn't listen to them until last year for the first time. Well, my collection is not big, I only have 2 albums. One is of course, The Mix, and the other one is an album I got from a friend. My friend bought it during the Persian Gulf War, back in 1991, or perhaps he bought it after the war was over... this one is very intresting, because it was made in Saudi Arabia, my friend got it in Quattar or Bahrain, I don't remember well. It's a greatest hits album which includes the following tunes: SIDE A: Musique Non Stop Homecomputer Neon Lights Trans Europe Express Radioactivity The Model Computerlove SIDE B: Pocket Calculator Showroom Dummies Metropolis Airwaves Europe Endless The Man Machine Computerworld Boing Boom Tschak Does anyone else have this album? The record company is called THOMPSUN... the cover is a color picture of kraftwerk... it has four guys on it... the guys on the left are wearing black or grey suits, whilst the guys on the right are wearing beige suits. Since I've only seen three photographs I don't know who is each one. Does someone have this album? Can you help me to identify the guys... thanx guillermo the mexican fan... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 22:18:10 -0400 Subject: Vol.2 Digest Compilation? Really-From: NickLav@aol.com I have seen the Vol.1 Digest Compilation (960k) & I downloaded it. When is their going to be a Vol.2 Digest compilation? Also, has anyone read the book Kraftwerk: Man Machine & Music (or whatever it's called) I saw an place that had it, and I was wondering if I should get it Thanks, NickLav@aol.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 01:35:26 EDT Subject: Man Machine and Music (Was: Vol.2 Digest Compilation?) Really-From: kraftwerk@MIT.EDU >... >Also, has anyone read the book Kraftwerk: Man Machine & Music (or whatever >it's called) I saw an place that had it, and I was wondering if I should get >it >Thanks, >NickLav@aol.com I very much enjoyed the book and recommend it. As someone who only knew Kaftwerk from their music, reading the book augmented my appreciation of the group and gave me an insight into the people behind the book. Henning Colsman-Freyberger kraftwerk@mit.edu (I will utter a disclaimer, as if I don't, someone else will: Don't take all of the book as fact, some of the content might be based on rumor, judging how secretive and publicity-shunning Kraftwerk is.) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #239 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 10 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 239 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Re: Electronic British re-releases RE: Electronic RE: British re-releases Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 arabian greatest hits album Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Robots the robots Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Re: 1981 Tour in Chicago ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 10:12:53 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Hi there in Mexico, The Kwerk Greatest Hits Album you have is definitively a rarity... to the best of my knowledge, no-one has ever heard of it before ! I strongly suspect it is a bootleg album, as Kwerk control their output in a strict way. Such albums are often made in far-off countries, certainly without the blessing of the record company, EMI. (Such items are, as far as I know, also made in Poland, mostly on tape format, and in some far- east countries (Thailand and so forth). The description of the picture points towards a Man Machine era photo- session, as Kwerk had photos taken with themselves and their dummies during this time. Could you please state full details on this item ? (Label, catalogue number, artwork details). Also, if you are looking for a trade partner for european Kwerk items, mail a message to my address: poecker@pool.uni-mannheim.de ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 14:41:50 MET+100 Subject: Re: Electronic Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" > I have heard all the news about the new Electronic album with Karl > Bartos, and i was just wondering when is it exactly coming out? Referring to this week's issue of "Melody Maker", Electronic are currently recording with Karl Bartos in Manchester. The album is supposed to be out at the end of this year or at the begin of next year. Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:02:52 MET+100 Subject: British re-releases Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" Referring to issue 56 of VOX are the four British Kraftwerk re- releases (Radio-Activity, Man Machine, Computer World, The Mix (BTW: have they finally appeared?)) only the first part of a series of re- releases. Does anyone know any more details about the coming reissues? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 09:20:24 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: Electronic Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >Referring to this week's issue of "Melody Maker", Electronic are >currently recording with Karl Bartos in Manchester. The album is >supposed to be out at the end of this year or at the begin of next >year. > Klaus Zaepke It's ironic how in 'The Book' Bartos mentions how he was frustrated with Kraftwerk by not releasing material on a regular basis. Well, since he left KW the 'Electronic' project will be only his second body of work in about 5 years. I wonder what R&F think about this. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 09:30:09 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: British re-releases Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >Referring to issue 56 of VOX are the four British Kraftwerk re- >releases (Radio-Activity, Man Machine, Computer World, The Mix >(BTW: have they finally appeared?)) only the first part of a series >of re- releases. Does anyone know any more details about the coming >reissues? > Klaus Zaepke I've seen and heard nothing. My local sources here haven't even heard of their pending release. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Really-From: "Francis X. Connor" Speaking of weird Kraftwerk greatest hits albums, does anyone have a copy of one called _Robots_? It's on EMI and has basically what you'd expect from their late-seventies albums---"The Model", "Trans-Europe Express" etc. I'm asking because it just seems like a knockoff even though EMI put it out--no liner notes or album info, a cheesy file photo on the cover--and I've never seen it in an "official" discography (The generally comprehensive Trouser Press Record Guide omits it, for example). From what I gather, it came out around 1978 and was reissued in 1986 to coincide with Elektra's release of _Electric Cafe_. Basically it's a half-hearted compilation that smells like a record company cash-in and I doubt Kraftwerk had any hand in it. Just Wondering if anyone's heard of it. Peace, Fran Connor ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 12:58:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: arabian greatest hits album Really-From: Guillermo Aaron Nunez hi it's the mexican fan again. i read your messages about my post. I don't have the tape here with me, but I'll try to get the catalog number, if there is one. The case is really weird, it looks like those where videocassettes are stored. It's made of rubber, or plastic or something like that. The case is green, by the way. It's a mellow green. or sea green... I don't know how to describe the color... the photo... i think the photograph has a blue background, with the best of kraftwerk in black. below the title, we have the the picture, with the four guys. There isn't any dummy or something like that. the first guy is wearing a black suit, black straight hair. the second guy, is blonde. blonde hair, short, and is wearing a black suit and a red tie. the third one, blond has short hair too, he's kind of bald and this one reminds me a lot to the first dummy that appears in the inlay sleeve of the mix. the last one is wearing a beige suit too... black hair... perhaps, it could be brown. The other kraftwerk photo i have seen... I saw it on a book called "Los 100 mejores discos del rock" (TOP 100 ROCK ALBUMS). I found their picture almost at the end of the book. This one was black and white... the book was recalling "Radioactivity" as one of the best albums ever... the picture: the guy at the left,( the first) was/is exactly the same guy that appears on the left side of the greatest hits cover, I don't remember the rest of the photo... but I'm damn sure that they were holding some wind instruments... I think someone had a flute... The other photo I saw, was in.... July 1993... I was in Tucson, Arizona. Whilst I was looking for some cheap albums, I found this one... but then I noticed I hadn't any money left so I couldn't buy it. The album was "The Robots"... let me see if I rembember... it had the robots in some green neon lights.... below the lights the four guys were standing before synthesizers.... they all were bald, and I think they were wearing cosmetics... they were wearing suits.. don't remeber the color... the album had I green background, I think. It also had the names of the guys below each guy written in neon lights... but I don't rembemr the order... the only one I remember is the last one... (the one at the very end right)that was Florian Scheneider, and it was the only one that wasn't behind a synth... he was holding a microphone... about the songs... I remember it had the robots, metropolis, neon lights, radioactivity, computerworld, airwaves... don't rember very well... it had 9 or 11 songs... nothing from electric cafe.. For the person who gave me his e-mail address, I'm interested about getting the albums I'm missing... I don't care where they come from... all I want is more KRAFTWERK!!! GUILLERMO THE MEXICAN FAN... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:32:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Really-From: strobe regarding the kraftwerk 1981 tour dates... i know that they played in chicago on that tour at the aragon ballroom, and it was certainly around the time that they played at detroit (only about 300 miles between them). jwgrote@silver.ucs.indiana.edu - ------------------------------ aliquid faciendum est! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:47:33 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Robots Really-From: lazlo@Rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > Speaking of weird Kraftwerk greatest hits albums, does anyone have a copy > of one called _Robots_? It's on EMI and has basically what you'd expect > from their late-seventies albums---"The Model", "Trans-Europe Express" > etc. I've got a listing for the reissue in the Kraftwerk discography at http://www.rt66.com/lazlo/Discographies.html: Kraftwerk: Robots cassette-only? compilation album [1986] CS: 1986 US (Capitol Special Markets 4XL-9445) Trans-Europe Express / The Model / Antenna / Transistor / The Robots / Geiger Counter / Radioactivity / Neon Lights / Uranium If anyone has more details (track times) or catalog numbers/release dates for other formats, pass 'em along and I'll add them to the discography. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Check out http://www.rt66.com/lazlo for the Internet Music Wantlists, ::: many artist discographies, and other record collecting resources. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 15:22:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: the robots Really-From: Guillermo Aaron Nunez ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 May 95 20:28 EDT Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) Basically >it's a >half-hearted compilation that smells like a record >company cash-in and I doubt Kraftwerk had any hand in >it. Just Wondering if anyone's heard of it. > > >Peace, > Fran Connor i have it on cassette..i'm pretty sure it was a cassette only release...mine is a canadian release. dave " i'm the operator of my pocket calculator " -kw- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 20:48:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: 1981 Tour in Chicago Really-From: saxmania@rci.ripco.com (Sax Therapy) > > Really-From: rwn@ihlpf.att.com > > > Sorry, I don't have the actual date in my head, but I did attend a Krafwerk > concert at the Park West in Chicago during the 1981 tour. It ocurred on a weeknight > during the summer, perhaps July. If I can find my ticket stubs I may have the > correct date. > > Bob Neumann > I was there too. That was the "Computer World" tour. After the gig they went to the Exit on Wells St.......S BTW check out my web site for a transcription of an interview I did with Ralf and Florian in 74. I also put up a pic of Forian's apartment in Dusseldorf when I visited him in 1979. http://ripco.com:8080/~saxmania/triad.html -- ______________________________________________________________________________ /~(_)~\ /~(_)~\ II====== l =-} saul smaizys saxmania@ripco.com {-= l ======II \_(~)_/ web page=http://ripco.com:8080/~saxmania/A.html \_(~)_/ ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #239 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #240 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 11 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 240 Wierd K-Werk release Re: Robots unsubscribe arabian greatest hits album Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Re: unsubscribe Re: unsubscribe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 07:39:11 -0400 Subject: Wierd K-Werk release Really-From: martynk@io.org (Martyn Kerluk) I have a very bizzare LP I picked up 10 years ago... Its a "Salute To Veterans" Radio show, where one side is samples from Radioactivity introduced by an anonymous German woman named Hildegaard. Its a mono recording, and is interrupted by commercials directing US veterans on how to apply for VE Benefits.???????? It was apparently released the same time as the official Radioactivity. Wow. Oh Yeah, Kraftwerk played here in Toronto in the summer of 1981 as well, but I am still looking for my ticket stub in order to document the correct date.... Hopefully more later.... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 11:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Robots Really-From: "Francis X. Connor" On Tue, 9 May 1995, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > If anyone has more details (track times) or catalog numbers/release dates for > other formats, pass 'em along and I'll add them to the discography. > I don't have specific track times, but it's important to mention the most of the tracks are edited down heavily from the album versions. I don't know if they're 7" mixes or what, but some of them fade out pretty awkwardly. I picked it up for $2 at some lame mall record store, and I've never seen it in any other format. Peace, Fran ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 11:10:27 -0600 Subject: unsubscribe Really-From: EMANATE unsubscribe derek jordan ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 10:24:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: arabian greatest hits album Really-From: Guillermo Aaron Nunez ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 13:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman > Speaking of weird Kraftwerk greatest hits albums, does anyone have a copy > of one called _Robots_? ... > Basically it's a > half-hearted compilation that smells like a record company cash-in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Bingo. Look around and you can find it for $2.99 in the cutout rack at your favourite chain store. Of course, if you're into edits, you could also listen to the regular albums and just turn down the volume 3 minutes into each track. Christopher Robin Zimmerman ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 20:07:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: chmricha unsubscribe chris richards ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 10 May 95 23:31:28 18000 Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: Phil Gelb getmeofff thisafuck'n list. wheni send mail to theRIGHT PLACE itmails me backsaying i am not onthelist.Please getme off. phil - -- Philip Gelb Po Box 65395 Tallahassee, FL 32313 904 561 0069 or 904 386 5599 gelb@freenet.scri.fsu.edu ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #240 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #241 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 12 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 241 unsubscribe Europeans Re: unsubscribe Re: unsubscribe Re: unsubscribe Re: unsubscribe RE: British re-releases Date: Thu, 11 May 95 12:58:11 EDT Re: unsubscribe Re: MUSIC? Re: unsubscribe unsubscribe Re: unsubscribe Re: Europeans RE: British re-releases Re: MUSIC? Record Conventions "Electric Cafe" as symptom of general Kraftwerk dilemma ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:32:07 GMT+800 Subject: unsubscribe Really-From: "Steve Berney" unsubscribe Steve Berney ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 95 10:58 SET Subject: Europeans Really-From: Tan Ses I would contact European participants of this list. Pls email asap. Murat (Austria) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:50:42 GMT Subject: Really-From: RUI ALBUQUERQUE FREIRE AGU unsubscribe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:41:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: "George A. Rosas" On Wed, 10 May 1995, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Phil Gelb > > getmeofff thisafuck'n list. wheni send mail to theRIGHT PLACE itmails > me backsaying i am not onthelist.Please getme off. > > phil > -- > Philip Gelb > Po Box 65395 > Tallahassee, FL 32313 > 904 561 0069 or 904 386 5599 > gelb@freenet.scri.fsu.edu > redneck idiot ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 95 16:56:44 MESZ Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: Arnulf Striepecke > > Really-From: Phil Gelb > > getmeofff thisafuck'n list. wheni send mail to theRIGHT PLACE itmails > me backsaying i am not onthelist.Please getme off. > > phil > -- > Philip Gelb > Po Box 65395 > Tallahassee, FL 32313 > 904 561 0069 or 904 386 5599 > gelb@freenet.scri.fsu.edu > Haha, fooled ya! trapped forever in this smelly pit! Arnulf ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 95 16:58:26 MESZ Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: Arnulf Striepecke > > > On Wed, 10 May 1995, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > > Really-From: Phil Gelb > > > > getmeofff thisafuck'n list. wheni send mail to theRIGHT PLACE itmails > > me backsaying i am not onthelist.Please getme off. > > > > phil > > -- > > Philip Gelb > > Po Box 65395 > > Tallahassee, FL 32313 > > 904 561 0069 or 904 386 5599 > > gelb@freenet.scri.fsu.edu > > > redneck idiot Yes, more, more, more!!! - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------- Arnulf Striepecke Institute for Geodynamics Buschstrasse 4 Nussallee 8 53113 Bonn, Germany 53115 Bonn, Germany Voice: (49) 228 221573 (49) 228 73-7449 e-mail: Arnulf@dyn.geo.uni-bonn.de - ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 95 11:39:17 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: Phil Gelb please get me off this list. i am a kraftwerk fan but i want off! i have tried numerous times and majordomo saya i am not on the list.nonetheless i keep getting mail. ps i am not a redneck :) - -- Philip Gelb Po Box 65395 Tallahassee, FL 32313 904 561 0069 or 904 386 5599 gelb@freenet.scri.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 17:31:44 GMT Subject: RE: British re-releases Really-From: "Marvin the Paranoid Android" >>Referring to issue 56 of VOX are the four British Kraftwerk re- >>releases (Radio-Activity, Man Machine, Computer World, The Mix >>(BTW: have they finally appeared?)) only the first part of a series >>of re- releases. Does anyone know any more details about the coming >>reissues? > >> Klaus Zaepke > >I've seen and heard nothing. My local sources here haven't even heard of >their pending release. > >Lon >freeman@msmail.bms.com > I saw a review in The Guardian newspaper, about 3 weeks ago that gave The Man Machine, Computer World, The Mix and Radio Activity their 'CDs of the week' tag over everything else, although I thought that The Mix was still available anyway (I bought a copy of it in Liverpool HMV about 6 months ago...but it was full price!) Cheers Steven ********************************************************************** * From Steven Way * * IT92SMW@CCS.EDGE-HILL-COLLEGE.AC.UK * * Edge Hill College, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England * ********************************************************************** "I have often thought that if there had been a good rap group around in those days I might have chosen a career in music instead of politics" Richard M. Nixon, quoted in the insert to Jello and Mojo's "Prairie Home Invasion", 1994 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 95 12:58:11 EDT Subject: Date: Thu, 11 May 95 12:58:11 EDT Really-From: Phil Gelb unsubscribe gelb@freenet.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 11 May 95 19:05:56 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: deakin01@bh.bbc.co.uk(Nicolas Deakin) Yes! Someone with some fire in there soul! Ha, ha. Nicky D. London, England. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 11 May 95 19:26:34 EDT Subject: Re: MUSIC? Really-From: deakin01@bh.bbc.co.uk(Nicolas Deakin) I've noticed that nobody, on this mailing list, talks about the MUSIC! Anybody willing to give it a go? Nicky D. London, England. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 13:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: lazlo@Rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > please get me off this list. i am a kraftwerk fan but i want off! i > have tried numerous times and majordomo saya i am not on the list. >>>> who kraftwerk Members of list 'kraftwerk': ... gelb@freenet.fsu.edu ... I strongly suggest you learn how to use majordomo before you make more of an ass of yourself than you already have. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Check out http://www.rt66.com/lazlo for the Internet Music Wantlists, ::: many artist discographies, and other record collecting resources. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 95 12:24:05 MST Subject: unsubscribe Really-From: calvin@vega.lpl.arizona.edu (cALvIn tHE sUPeR gENiUs!) unsubscribe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 11 May 95 20:31:27 EDT Subject: Re: unsubscribe Really-From: deakin01@bh.bbc.co.uk(Nicolas Deakin) Aren't you being a bit hard on him? Nicky D. London, England. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 23:14:27 +0200 Subject: Re: Europeans Really-From: jjgeerts@worldaccess.nl (jeroen j. geerts) >Really-From: Tan Ses > >I would contact European participants of this list. >Pls email asap. > >Murat (Austria) > > Dear Tan As a freshman on the Net I'm overwhelmed with information. When I subscribed myself to the KW mailing list the info got even more. So here's my email adress and looking forward to contact you. In between I have some questions - - Where the hell can I get the Live Albums from KW everybody is listening to. I have heard many years ago some live tracks from Sweden (?) but could never find an album. Are there labels and so on available ?? - - Do you or anyone else have some info about a possible touring scheme from KW in '95 ?? Jeroen J. Geerts. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:57:47 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: British re-releases Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >I saw a review in The Guardian newspaper, about 3 weeks ago that gave >The Man Machine, Computer World, The Mix and Radio Activity their >'CDs of the week' tag over everything else, although I thought that >The Mix was still available anyway (I bought a copy of it in >Liverpool HMV about 6 months ago...but it was full price!) >Cheers >Steven If those CD's were actually released there would be plenty of activity in this group about their sound quality. This re-release has all the markings of yet another hoax (sigh). Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:45:24 -0600 Subject: Re: MUSIC? Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Ra) >I've noticed that nobody, on this mailing list, talks about the MUSIC! You've put your finger on what I've been feeling since I joined too. >Anybody willing to give it a go? Sure, though I'm no musician myself. I don't know many musical terms. One thing that I do know is that I love Kraftwerk's samples and background rhythms/melodies. I also like almost any piece of music that uses a KW sample or a melody that is regognizably influenced by KW. I tend to collect pieces that I think are KW-influenced. /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | The full spectrum of the bizarre. | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 23:43:52 -0400 Subject: Record Conventions Really-From: NickLav@aol.com Are record conventions good places to find bootlegs? I am looking for some Kraftwerk bootlegs and some people I have talked to say record conventions are good places to pick them up. Could someone confirm this? NickLav@aol.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 02:12:33 -0400 Subject: "Electric Cafe" as symptom of general Kraftwerk dilemma Really-From: JFI333@aol.com I'd be interested in hearing some of the other list members' impressions of the KW 1986 album "Electric Cafe." I have to admit that I hardly play EC anymore. And I can't exactly pin down why: for "Musique Non Stop" and the title track are, IMO, two of Kraftwerk's greatest songs. There is something about the album as a whole, however, that gently repulses me. I find that, by contrast, "Computer World" has improved with each year, and that it begs for repeated play. This is particularly true for CW's second side. "Home Computer" and "It's More Fun to Compute" have become virtual hymns that I've been carrying around in my head for years now. Nothing on EC has stuck with me in that way. I sense that EC's problems may have something to do with the extremely long time KW took in making it. The end result, I fear, was an overworked album. I remember my excitement in the spring of '83 when in a music mag I came across a Warner ad announcing that KW's newest album "Techno Pop" was on the way. The following Christmas I obtained the EP "Tour de France" and expected the new album *any day.* As a result of all this waiting, my expectations may have gotten overly high for the album that seemingly would never come. Does anyone else on the list wish that KW had just gone ahead and come out with "Techno Pop" in '83, regardless of the "change in philosophy" that allegedly took place? If "Tour de France" can serve as any indicator, TP ought to have been superb. All in all, I think KW has been a bit too precious about the quality of their releases since "Trans-Europe Express." This caution has brought about a relative dearth of albums. Consider the paucity of KW material compared to Can's, Tangerine Dream's or Klaus Schulze's. I understand how someone might argue that KW's whole style and image are inconsistent with spontaneity. Well, maybe.... But couldn't Ralf and co. have risked sacrificing just a bit of quality in order to make a few extra albums? (I myself am not convinced that by upping the tempo KW would have lost anything. It may in fact have allowed them to move on to newer and fresher ideas, rather than just mull over the same things for five or so years.) John Isham Akron, OH ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #241 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #242 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 12 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 242 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 05:55:31 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: Record Conventions Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >Are record conventions good places to find bootlegs? I am looking for some >Kraftwerk bootlegs and some people I have talked to say record conventions >are good places to pick them up. >Could someone confirm this? >NickLav@aol.com They sure are! I found a few neat KW items that way. I find out about them through local record stores and go to thesl conventions wnenever they are around. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:08 MET DST Subject: Computer World re-release Really-From: wilt@df.lth.se (Gustav Holmberg) After having been impossible to obtain in Swedish record stores (unless imported), Computer World has suddenly appeared. The CD is marked "EMI United Kingdom", and has the number 0777 7460402 4. On the back cover, there's a silly text: "As has been the case with all Kraftwerk releases, 1981's COMPUTER WORLD is a production tour de force with blanketing sound effects / bla bla bla / Kraftwerk demonstrates why it has been a major musical influence since its 1975 hit AUTOBAHN." Sound quality is ..., well, acceptable. Gustav Holmberg ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 MAY 95 08:21:44 EDT Subject: Re : Quality Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA The making of a Kraftwerk Work: I believe that KW create new music using hardware and software sequencers. (based on the fact that it is humanly impossible to play most of the parts of their later music "E Cafe,The Mix")By doing so, songs are essentially constructed note for note. (Time Consuming) Often they may add sweeping melodies on top. I think that this is Florians area since the structures and sounds are quite often flute-ish in nature. Coupled to this is the requirement that the sound associated with each sequence be unique yet important. Next, the structuring of the song has to be done. All of this results in crafted works but still they have not passed the test of time....Once the songs are at this point and the data is saftely stored, the music is listened to and critiqued by KW and adjustments are made. (A long process) Finally, if the song passes this stage then it is a "Keeper" Going to disk is a whole different can of worms. The fear of commitment and releasing something that is not timeless seems significant. However I find 90% of KW's music timeless, much like the Beatles. One never seems to tire of listening to it (because it is a painstaking constructed work much like a timeless classical piece) Also R&F have to do the Drums now. Add 25% more delay!!!! Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:34:14 +0100 Subject: Re: "Electric Cafe" as symptom of general Kraftwerk dilemma Really-From: me3tomjo@ikm.his.se (Tommie =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= ) >Really-From: JFI333@aol.com >I'd be interested in hearing some of the other list members' impressions of >the KW 1986 album "Electric Cafe." > >I have to admit that I hardly play EC anymore. And I can't exactly pin down >why: for "Musique Non Stop" and the title track are, IMO, two of Kraftwerk's >greatest songs. There is something about the album as a whole, however, that >gently repulses me. I find that, by contrast, "Computer World" has improved >with each year, and that it begs for repeated play. This is particularly >true for CW's second side. "Home Computer" and "It's More Fun to Compute" >have become virtual hymns that I've been carrying around in my head for years >now. Nothing on EC has stuck with me in that way. Indeed, indeed. I agree, there seems to be something missing in EC. Side A is a tour de force in it's composition of sounds and rythms, it has an wonderful electronic and clinical atmosphere like the one on the LFO album "Frequencies". I think the tracks Boing Boom Tschak/ Techno Pop/ Musique Non-stop are great, really inventive stuff. Especially when they are compared with todays Techno scene, they still feel fresh. But then there is Telephone Call and Sex Object, and those songs are regular electronic popsongs that could be made by New Order or Vince Clarke (with due respect to those great songwriters). The sounds in these songs are just samples and imitations of already existing instruments (drums, strings, etc) and I think that is uninspired. It haven't got that KW feel, it's just a bunch of Synclaviers running popsongs. KW used to be more than that. > >I sense that EC's problems may have something to do with the extremely long >time KW took in making it. The end result, I fear, was an overworked album. Maybe they didn't have fun when they worked on it. I mean, it's a perfect product, but it's dull and melancholic. Where's the optimistic feel from Autobahn and Europe Endless, where is the visionary feel from The Robots and Homecomputer, where's the soft "nostalgo-futurism" from Neonlight? > I remember my excitement in the spring of '83 when in a music mag I came >across a Warner ad announcing that KW's newest album "Techno Pop" was on the >way. Has anybody on this list ever heard something from this recording? It is said that there are some copys of it somewhere in the world... > >Does anyone else on the list wish that KW had just gone ahead and come out >with "Techno Pop" in '83, regardless of the "change in philosophy" that >allegedly took place? If I'd like to compare TP and EC. It would be very interesting... I can only speak for myself. I always considered KW as visionaries, something way ahead of it's time. I think my distaste for EC is due to the fact that this album is their most utdated. On the whole, it's not ahead of it's time in any way. The sounds sound just like 1986 and the computergraphics became stone-age in less than one year. I think that's why I always had such a bad time with EC. Next one, please! Peace, ________________________________Tommie Joensson Me3tomjo@ikm.his.se ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 May 95 12:59:16 EDT Subject: Re: MUSIC? Really-From: deakin01@bh.bbc.co.uk(Nicolas Deakin) Here's a few question, that subscribers might like to reply to? 1. How long have you been into KRAFTWERK, and where did you first hear them? 2. What's your favourite album, and what format do you listen to them on most? 3. How do you think they rate, compared to other bands over the last thirty years? 4. How popular are they in the country you live in? London, England. Nicky D. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:56:52 +0100 Subject: unsubscribe Paul Maguire Really-From: paul@school-of-computing.plymouth.ac.uk (Paul Maguire) unsubscribe Paul Maguire ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 08:49:50 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: Computer World re-release Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >After having been impossible to obtain in Swedish record stores (unless >imported), Computer World has suddenly appeared. The CD is marked "EMI >United Kingdom", and has the number 0777 7460402 4. >Gustav Holmberg Yes but does it say that it's a re-master anywhere on the case? I recently saw 'The Mix' marked with an EMI United Kingdom label but it was just the import of the regular 'Mix' CD, not a re-release. Other EMI re-releases usually say 'digital remaster' or something on the case (i.e. their Pink Floyd re-issues). Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 8:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Record Conventions Really-From: MCINTYRE@pa.msu.edu >Really-From: NickLav@aol.com >Are record conventions good places to find bootlegs? I am looking for some >Kraftwerk bootlegs and some people I have talked to say record conventions >are good places to pick them up. >Could someone confirm this? I'll confirm it; I've found several Kraftwerk bootlegs at record conventions. Two things to keep in mind: 1)Bootlegs tend to be expensive. Standard price around here is $25 per disc. 2)Different dealers show up at different shows. You may have to go to several shows before finding what you want. If you find a bootleg dealer who doesn't have Kraftwerk in stock, it never hurts to ask. They might just have assumed no one at that show would be interested. Some will do mail-order, or they might bring some Kraftwerk to the next show. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 May 95 14:46:46 EDT Subject: RE: Computer World re-release Really-From: deakin01@bh.bbc.co.uk(Nicolas Deakin) If something is re-released it doesn't automatically mean that it's been re-mastered. It might just mean the record company have decided to change the pricing, down to mid price, or it has been deleted for a while. Re-mastering general means the record company going back to the first generation studio master, and making a digital copy. Where as up until a few years ago many companys used the first copy that came to hand, to make the CD version, which might have been as many as ten or more generations down, and EQed for use with vinyl records!! How depressing! Nicky D. London, England. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 16:03 MET DST Subject: RE: Computer World re-release Really-From: wilt@df.lth.se (Gustav Holmberg) >Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > > >>After having been impossible to obtain in Swedish record stores (unless >>imported), Computer World has suddenly appeared. The CD is marked "EMI >>United Kingdom", and has the number 0777 7460402 4. > > >>Gustav Holmberg > >Yes but does it say that it's a re-master anywhere on the case? >Lon >freeman@msmail.bms.com No. *Gustav Holmberg wilt@df.lth.se *Kamnarsvagen 3C:137 phone 046-152293 (home) *S-226 46 LUND *SWEDEN ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 10:15:55 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: Computer World re-release Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >If something is re-released it doesn't automatically mean that it's been >re-mastered. It might just mean the record company have decided to change >the pricing, down to mid price, or it has been deleted for a while. >Nicky D. >London, England. Does anyone know for sure if this is the case with the KW re-releases? If so I won't waste my time buying what I already have. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 15:55 SET Subject: Europeans Really-From: Tan Ses Participants fm Europe. Awaiting your messages :-) Want to learn as much as possible about EM musicians, stations, mags etc in your area. Thank you all MURAT (Austria) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 May 95 15:43:30 EDT Subject: Re: Europeans Really-From: JWDJ%trans.wtp.bbc@nr-comms.radio.bbc.co.uk(Jonathan Jones) There doesn't seem to be many KW appreciators in the UK that have the local knowledge that I require Let me know if your out there. Jonathan.Jones.bbc.co.uk ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 10:37:40 -0400 Subject: Re: "Electric Cafe" as symptom of general Kraftwerk dilemma Really-From: Curryous@aol.com dear John: I agree completely with your assessment of EC. I remember drooling in anticipation when the Tour de France EP came out. If I could put my finger on why EC doesn't stick to my ribs I would say that it's because the music (for '86) sounded merely current rather than futuristic and seemed a little forced. With the exception of the diety Brian Eno, no artist is ever assured of eternal inspiration (i.e. McCartney, Bowie) and I think after CW Ralf and Florian's well simply started to run dry. I think this has been doubly proven with the Mix. However, I do have a friend who talked to Florian Schneider within the last couple of years and he did say that they were still working and mentioned some type of "Global (Electronic?) Village" concept. Finally the PT Barnum in me can't help but mention that I have two new releases coming out on my Curious Music label "En Route" by Moebius & Plank and "Selbsportrait VI" by Roedelius who I assume you are familiar with. Let me know if you want more info. Thanks, Russ Curry ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 17:08:43 GMT Subject: Answers to questions Really-From: "Marvin the Paranoid Android" >Here's a few question, that subscribers might like to reply to? OK, here goes! > >1. How long have you been into KRAFTWERK, and where did you first hear >them? about 12 years. My brother is a fan, and he owns Computer World, Trans Europe Express, the Man Machine and a compilation called Electro-Kinetic which has early stuff on it, can anyone out there help with which original album stuff is on? The track listing is something like this: Autobahm (6 minute edit) Ananas Symphonie Kometenmelodie 2 (full version) Heimatklange...wonderful...my fave KW song! Tanzmusic (very very irritating IMHO) Mitternacht and a couple of others...I will have to get a look tonight! > >2. What's your favourite album, and what format do you listen to them on > most? Has to be Autobahn, or The Man Machine. Both of these are on cassette, although I probably listen to them on vinyl the most. > >3. How do you think they rate, compared to other bands over the last >thirty years? some of the best. I like the 'orginators' of a sound, and thus I like The Beach Boys (yes, OK some of their stuff was blatently copied, but they were 1 year ahead of The Beatles on the stoned/spaced out sound!), KW, The Ramones and other more modern stuff like The Pixies. I think that out of everything KW rate second to the Beach Boys. > >4. How popular are they in the country you live in? fairly....people occasionally have heard of them, but that is primarily due to The Model getting to number 1 in about 1982, and the numerous compilations of 'techno pop' that seem to be about! Thanx for listening, Steven > >London, England. >Nicky D. > ********************************************************************** * From Steven Way * * IT92SMW@CCS.EDGE-HILL-COLLEGE.AC.UK * * Edge Hill College, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England * ********************************************************************** "I have often thought that if there had been a good rap group around in those days I might have chosen a career in music instead of politics" Richard M. Nixon, quoted in the insert to Jello and Mojo's "Prairie Home Invasion", 1994 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 17:14:13 GMT Subject: Activ-8 Really-From: "Marvin the Paranoid Android" Has anyone heard of this compilation before? I bought it on vinyl second hand about 3 weeks ago, as it contains loads of their early stuff from Ralf and Florian, KW2 and Autobahn (I have this on tape anyway)...It is released on Vertigo and has a tacky sticker saying something like 'Autobahn was der monster..here ist 7 others'...I will look up the precise statement for you! The highlight of it is Ruckzack (about 9 or 10 mins long...I assume this is the full version), but it has the single edit of Autobahn (different throughout rather than just an edited version like the 6 minute one on Electro Kinetic is). Does anyone know the origins of this release, or is it, as people have said recently 'just another record company cashing in'? Thanx for listening Steven ********************************************************************** * From Steven Way * * IT92SMW@CCS.EDGE-HILL-COLLEGE.AC.UK * * Edge Hill College, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England * ********************************************************************** "I have often thought that if there had been a good rap group around in those days I might have chosen a career in music instead of politics" Richard M. Nixon, quoted in the insert to Jello and Mojo's "Prairie Home Invasion", 1994 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:33:43 CdT Subject: Receipt of 5/11/95 3:32 PM message Really-From: andrewm Re:unsubscribe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 95 18:46:13 GMT Subject: RE: Computer World re-release Really-From: David Lusman > > >imported), Computer World has suddenly appeared. The CD is marked "EMI > >United Kingdom", and has the number 0777 7460402 4. > > > Yes but does it say that it's a re-master anywhere on the case? I recently > saw 'The Mix' marked with an EMI United Kingdom label but it was just the > import of the regular 'Mix' CD, not a re-release. Other EMI re-releases > usually say 'digital remaster' or something on the case (i.e. their Pink Floyd > re-issues). > > The re-issues appear to me to be just that - straight re-issues with no re-mastering. There is certainly no mention of remastering anywhere on the disc or packaging. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:46:43 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: Computer World re-release Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > The re-issues appear to me to be just that - straight re-issues with no > re-mastering. There is certainly no mention of remastering anywhere on > the disc or packaging. I have to plead ignorance on what's technically involved with a re-issue. The EMI labeled 'Mix' CD I saw probably is one of the re-issues. Is it possible that if EMI got a 'first generation' source of the recording and if the manufacturing equipment and materials used in the new pressings are technologically superior to the original, that the sound would be inproved? Is there any modification of the sound or volume levels at all in a re-issue or is it basically a straight dupe using different equipment? Anyone with some recording industry technology experience out there? Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Exceller 8? (was Re: Activ-8) Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman > > Really-From: "Marvin the Paranoid Android" > > Has anyone heard of this compilation before? I bought it on vinyl > second hand about 3 weeks ago, as it contains loads of their early > stuff from Ralf and Florian, KW2 and Autobahn (I have this on tape > anyway)...It is released on Vertigo and has a tacky sticker saying > something like 'Autobahn was der monster..here ist 7 others'...I will > look up the precise statement for you! The highlight of it is > Ruckzack (about 9 or 10 mins long...I assume this is the full > version), but it has the single edit of Autobahn (different > throughout rather than just an edited version like the 6 minute one > on Electro Kinetic is). Does anyone know the origins of this > release, or is it, as people have said recently 'just another record > company cashing in'? It sounds like you're referring to Exceller 8, a 1975 'best of' release. My copy is on Mercury, and yes, it probably was a cash-in since KW had just changed record companies. The version of "Autobahn" on this album is *not* the Vertigo single edit, but yet another different edit. In fact, I think most of these are edited...and I'd think not by Kraftwer. Here's my track listsing: Side One Ruckzack (7:32) Autobahn (3:09) - from Autobahn Tongebirge (2:51) - from R&F Kristallo (6:20) - from R&F Side Two Comet Melody 2 (Kometenmelodie II) (2:51) - from Autobahn Klingklang (9:26) Vom Himmell Hoch (4:01) Stratovarius (1:36) All are from KW/KW2 unless noted otherwise. All spelling errors are Phonogram's, not mine. ;-) Also available on casette and 8 track! Christopher Robin Zimmerman ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: RE: Computer World re-release Really-From: lazlo@Rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > Is it possible that if EMI got a 'first generation' source of the > recording and if the manufacturing equipment and materials used in the > new pressings are technologically superior to the original, that the > sound would be inproved? Yes, but there's no indication that they've done this with the recent UK reissues. If they improved the quality of the discs, they wouldn't be keeping that fact a secret. > Is there any modification of the sound or volume levels at all in a > re-issue or is it basically a straight dupe using different equipment? It depends. Sometimes they run with the same digital masters as an earlier pressing, sometimes they cut a new digital master from the same source as the earlier pressing, sometimes they find better source material. There's no real pattern to it. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Check out http://www.rt66.com/lazlo for the Internet Music Wantlists, ::: many artist discographies, and other record collecting resources. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:49:25 -0800 Subject: Re: MUSIC? Really-From: kikhoon@leland.stanford.edu (Pang, Ki Khoon) >1. How long have you been into KRAFTWERK, and where did you first hear >them? I've listened to Kraftwerk for about 3 years now. I first heard _The Model_ a very long time ago; the tune just stuck on even though I was too young to remember what the song was about or even what the title was (I was about 4 or 5). They receive very little airplay in Singapore (where I come from). The last time I heard them was about 4 years back and from that moment I embarked on my search for their albums, initially to no avail. It's good that I did not give up, because just a few months after that _The Mix_ was released and the re-release by Capitol ensued. >2. What's your favourite album, and what format do you listen to them on > most? My favorites has got to be _Radioactivity_ and _Autobahn_ (close tie): the experimental spirit embodied in them is simply awesome, especially when I've grown up listening to the groups that have been influenced by them: OMD, New Order, Depeche Mode, Human League, etc.. >3. How do you think they rate, compared to other bands over the last >thirty years? I think they rank right up there in the field of electro/synth-related pop/funk/rock/house/trance, whatever you call it! >4. How popular are they in the country you live in? Sadly enough, not very. Hopefully their new album might create some interest. Patrick - ------------------------------------------------------------ Pang, Ki Khoon | http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~kikhoon Sophomore | Dept of Comp Sc, Stanford Univ, USA - ------------------------------------------------------------ (415) 497-7860 | PO Box 3284, Stanford, CA 94309, USA ( 65) 294-9210 | Blk 108, McNair Rd, #05-301, Singapore 1232 - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #242 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #243 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 13 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 243 kraftwerk interview 1975 Re: "Electric Cafe" as symptom of general Kraftwerk dilemma Re: MUSIC? Re:Music Poll ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 18:58:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: kraftwerk interview 1975 Really-From: saxmania@rci.ripco.com (Sax Therapy) I thought I'd post this interview to the list. It's currently on my web site and pretty soon I'll grab a few sound bytes from the tape and put them up on my site. Enjoy! btw I've left the html tags in so you can read it in lynx or any other web browser if you like. -Saul kraftwerk interview

Kraftwerk Interview

(first published in Triad Magazine June 1975)
While the casual listener may be quick to draw comparisons to Pink Floyd and "space music" in general, in reality there is far more to Kraftwerk than that. Space is only a part of the total Kraftwerk concept, for it also includes Time and Mechanics, and not only time and space, but visual and other sensory phenomenon. They are working with artists in other fields in conjunction with their music and are anxious to begin producing video discs of their art. Lyrics are becoming a more regular part of their music.

Autobahn has a fully descriptive character taking the listener for a quick cruise down Germany's famed superhighway. It becomes and indistinguishable blend of vision and reality, as it begins with a slam of a car door and proceeds to imitate the sounds of the cars whizzing down the road. The mysterious whispering tones of "Kometenmelodie" soar lightly into the ether and leave the listener with a grandious spatial experience.

They perceive commonplace occurrences and transform them into dramatic situations. Just as writers and poets play with words and phrases, painters play with colors and perspectives, and sculptors play with shapes and forms, so Kraftwerk plays with sounds. The qualities attributed to the arts are equally applicable to their music. It is shaped, phrased, colored, molded, mixed and modified into a unified experience. The music is sketched on broadly fundamental lines leaving leaving the setting and filling in, to a great extent, to the listener. In such such a vague and ethereal art Kraftwerk excels in transforming the commonplace sounds of daily life to a stirring and spiritual experience.

Interview with Ralf Hutter
and Florian Schneider
by Saul Smaizys

Triad
-is the term "space rock" applicable to your music?
Ralf
-We are part of the Industrial generation. We grew up. . .
Florian
-. . . very impressed by these machinery rhythms that we used in our music, the mechanical aspects of life. Technology is no enemy to us. We use technology as it is. We also like nature but you cannot say the Technology is any better or worse than nature. You have to accept all of these things as they are in the world today.
Ralf
-We have aspects in our music that refer to space, like Kometenmelodie, but we also have some very earthly aspects that are very direct and not from outer space but from inner space like from the human being and the body, and very close to every day life.
Florian
-We see films and we go out and get optical impressions and so this often has an influence on our music and it becomes an acoustic film or acoustic poetry. That's the way that we try to express what we have seen and what we have heard. Several years ago we were on tour and it happened that we just came off the Autobahn after a long ride and when we came in to play we had this speed in our music. Our hearts were still beating fast so the whole rhythm became very fast.
Triad
-The spinning of a roulette wheel is the basis for another one of your tunes.
Ralf
-Yes, movement. The idea is to capture non-static phenomenon because music itself is a non-static phenomenon. It deals with time and movement in time. It can never be the same.
Triad
-Does dance have a part in your music?
Ralf
-Yes, in Germany some modern ballet companies have used our music to create their own versions of ballet for this music.
Florian
-The choreography was like a computer dance,. like robot dance. Very mechanical in its movement on stage.
Ralf
-We also kind of dance when we perform. It's not that we actually move our bodies but it's this awareness of your whole body. You feel like a dancer.
Florian
-Your brain is dancing. The electronics are dancing around in the speakers.
Ralf
-We've had this idea for a long time but it has only been in the past year that we've been able to create what we feel is a loudspeaker orchestra. This is what we consider Kraftwerk to be, a non-acoustic electronic loudspeaker orchestra.
Ralf
-The whole thing is one instrument. We play mixers, we play tapes, we play phasers, we play the whole apparatus of Kraftwerk. That's the instrument. Including the lights and the atmosphere.
Florian
-Sometimes I can taste the sounds. There are a lot more feelings than just the feeling going through the ears. The whole body can feel the sounds.
Ralf
-Imagine the trees. What do the trees sounds like? You don't even have to make the sound audible. You can just write out the suggestions and the reader can imagine the sound or reproduce the sounds spiritually in his brain.
Triad
-Do you listen to other kinds of music other than electronic?
Ralf
-Oh yes. Sometimes we listen to the radio and we also listen to life, to noise, or to what people normally regard as noise, which is of course the source for environmental music. If you walk down the street you can hear a symphony if you are open enough to listen to it.
Florian
-That's what you learn from working with electronics. You go to the source of the sounds and your ears are trained to analyze any sound. We hear a plane passing overhead and I know all of the phenomenon that go into the make-up of the sound, the phasings, the echos. All these things that happen in nature. . .
Ralf
-. . . and the more you learn the more you enjoy it. You can always discover new sounds that you've never heard before. It's amazing sometimes when you listen to the context of the sounds. It could be the animals in the park, with the cars and the people mixing together.
Florian
-The association field is very large in music, meaning that somebody can make some special sound put them on tape and broadcast them to 50 people or 100 or 1,000 and each one of those people has a different impression of the sounds they have heard. It's not like the cinema where nearly everybody sees the same thing. I think the optical is much more fixed but when you have music you have so many different sorts of musics in the brains of the people.
Ralf
-Yes, musics. Many musics.
Florian
-When you are on stage you can focus the music to all these different brains, but you know there are a lot of different receptions. Some people fall asleep, some people are excited, others don't like it and go out, others come back, some stay in their seats. So there are a lot of different reactions to the same thing.
Ralf
-We improvise in the way it is used in Oriental and raga music. It's not harmonically structured.
Florian
-We prefer to make sounds. Sound symphonies. We use a lot of natural harmonies. . . like from the overtone scale. We try to do things simply, the simpler the better. We tried to do a lot of complicated bullshit in the past where everybody tried to play as many notes as they can in a second or a minute, but after awhile we came down to the essential thing.
Ralf
-You have to face yourself to come to the point where you really think about what it is that you want to do. Not to hide behind too many notes or to hide behind . . .
Florian
-. . . the speaker cabinets.
Ralf
-. . . to open up to the simplest things.
Florian
-We don't like these sort of bombastic sounds, we prefer more refined sounds.
Ralf
-It took years of development, step by step, for us to get to what we are doing now. And it will take more steps to do something else.
Florian
-We started out with acoustic instruments. We had a lot of friends who have played with us in the past, and so life goes on and some of them leave and others join. We finally came to a point where we decided that we didn't want these loud drum kits on stage with us. Then for a year we played with just the two of us. We used a rhythm machine but this was not entirely satisfactory. It would be good for one piece but too boring to use for a whole evening, and so we decided to build electronic drums because we wanted to have rhythms in our music. We designed and built them and are now playing with two electronic percussionists in the group.
Ralf
-It gives a lot of possibilities to change the sound because electronic music is created out of white noise, so you can take whatever frequencies you like, or you want, for your particular concept of music - and with these electronic instruments you can pick out the frequencies that suit you. Like a painter, you can choose whatever colors of the spectrum you like for that projection of your painting.
Florian
-We are working with a painter now who can realize some of our optic visions.
Ralf
-We don't think of ourselves as musicians, but rather as people who create out of the different media or ways of expressing yourself, whether it is painting, poetry, music, or even film. The ideal is to communicate to people.
Florian
-We don't really know where this whole thing will drift, perhaps more to optics or to words.
Ralf
-We are waiting for the video disc, which will soon be available in Germany. This will probably be the next step we want to go on to because we have so many visual ideas along with the music and they both influence one another.
mail resopnse - -- ______________________________________________________________________________ /~(_)~\ /~(_)~\ II====== l =-} saul smaizys saxmania@ripco.com {-= l ======II \_(~)_/ web page=http://ripco.com:8080/~saxmania/A.html \_(~)_/ ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 20:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: "Electric Cafe" as symptom of general Kraftwerk dilemma Really-From: Edy Braun > I'd be interested in hearing some of the other list members' impressions of > the KW 1986 album "Electric Cafe." I really enjoy the album. In fact, it was the "Boing Boom Tchak" video on MuchMusic (Canadian version of MTV) which originally introduced me to the group. I already liked the style but did not know the names of any groups in the genre back then! I also enjoy "The Telephone" but friends I've played it to say there was another group which made a similar song (maybe Falco or something like that). Just recently I payed $15.00 for "The Mix" here in Toronto at HMV. Although I enjoy the tape, I think for that money I'd better do a bit more research in finding a good supplier of Kraftwerk music in Toronto where the cost is more reasonable. Can anyone give me tips about getting Kraftwerk tapes in Toronto? I know it's a big city but I think someone in the conference said that they knew a place that was giving them away for 2 bucks... apparently they were in the "tape heap" with all the other old tapes. Edy. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 20:40:47 -0600 Subject: Re: MUSIC? Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Ra) >1. How long have you been into KRAFTWERK, and where did you first hear >them? About 14 years, give or take two. I first heard the Man Machine being played in a Radio Shack store in Chinook Mall, Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I memorized the appearance of the record jacket (not hard!) and made my mother buy it for me. KW was the first music I liked, and were the only music I listened to for a long, long time. >2. What's your favourite album, and what format do you listen to them on > most? I like The Mix and Computer World equally, and everything I have is on tape since I only recently got a CD player and no longer have a record player. >3. How do you think they rate, compared to other bands over the last >thirty years? I'm not that old! :) Until very recently they were my very favorite band, and I still place them first out of loyalty. I also like the Art of Noise and anything that uses KW samples or appears to be KW-influenced. >4. How popular are they in the country you live in? Not very - Canada, BTW. I know one person who saw them perform in Toronto, and I've taught two friends to appreciate them. Other than that, nobody I meet has even heard of them. :( /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | The full spectrum of the bizarre. | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 13 MAY 95 01:34:49 EDT Subject: Re:Music Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA I first saw KW on pirate satellite tv from the US (MTV) in 1981 or 1982. It was The Model. I bought the Man Machine album and enjoyed it however I was persuing lots of music at the time (Pistols Clash Crass Bowie D Mode JD NO Cure etc) so I didn't follow up. It did inspire me to spend my summers savings as a lifeguard on a Roland SH3 synth. A few years later when i went to university. A room mate was into G Neuman but had Computer World on Vinyl. It never left the turntable when I was home. I especially enjoyed listening to it very very late at night (I wonder if they recorded it then) The melodies in it are beautiful and the sounds so smooth (Unlike EC which is razor cold and clinical-probably due to the FM synths) also it is wonderful how the sounds blend so well and do not crowd one another. After CW I got TDF 12" single and grooved on it. I still kick myself for not having looked back in time. It was not until I heard the remake of Pocket Calc that I persued them again. I think that I listened to the Mix for two years straight without taking it out of my car's deck. My girlfriend at the time (wife now) who likes R&B and Country could not understand why she now enjoyed Kraftwerk and so much of the same tape over and over. It amazed both of us how the music was so untiring. Since then I've picked up every CD I could get. Also I am up to my neck in synths, and computers making synthetic music again. What is most interesting is that I actually listened to KW when I was 11 years old. I remember being bored when visiting relatives so I went through their records. I tried Autobahn out of curiosity. I guess I was impatient because I only dropped the needle randomly a few times and decided that the stuff was different but not my taste.At that time I liked KISS . (It is nice to see measures of evolution). My favorite album is The Mix, I like the energy that was added to all of the songs except Autobahn. THe digital yodaling sp? at the end was fantastic but the rest was un eventful. Telephone call is also nice in that it seems quite inovative in the use of samples however Bartos clearly makes it a Love Song (but his melodies are fine) Telephone Call is very much like a New Order song with respect to the melody, voice and lyric. The best sampled voice usage is Musique Non Stop on THe Mix. Also, it has the punchiest percussion I've heard. THe sub-bass-drum-siesmic- disturbance-kinda sound is wonderful. The intertwined "chippy" synths on The Mix's Computer Love are the pop like those on Bizarre Love Triangle. Franz Shubert is the most wonderfully played. I have not heard of a synth/electronic band that creates such works as Kraftwerk. Vince Clark came close with Yaz and some of the sounds on Joy Divisions Closer are eternally moving but no one else comes close. The cure also did some beautifly blending of string machines on Faith. Also, therir monophonic melodies from 17s are notable in my opinion. Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 22:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Poll Really-From: Robert Wernli 1) I've listened to Kraftwerk for about two years. After I found out how big of an influence they were on some of my favorite bands (Depeche Mode, New Order), I decided to check them out. 2) My first Kraftwerk album was The Mix, and that's my favorite. I usually listen to CD's, but I have Robots on cassette, and Autobahn on vinyl (with this very amusing picture of them all with long hair on the back looking like hippies). 3) I think they're an important band in the last 30 years. Together with groups like Tangerine Dream and Pink Floyd in the 1970's, Kraftwerk pushed music to a new level, and that can't be overlooked. 4) They aren't popular where I live at all, unfortunately. In fact, people make fun of me when I play them in the car! Oh well... =) What do you expect from California? Rob ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #243 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #244 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 13 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 244 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 May 95 22:10:20 EDT Subject: RE: Computer World re-release Really-From: deakin01@bh.bbc.co.uk(Nicolas Deakin) The main reason for re-mastering OLDER recordings, is that, when they were originally prepared for release, by the mastering engineer, it would have been done using a non-digital format i.e. 1/4 reel to reel tape. It's a great format but the more times you copy (dub) it the more noise (tape hiss) and dulling of the sound you get! With the way the mastering process works, and by the time you get it home, it could be as many as ten generations, or more, down!! (This will be even more for vinyl and cassette tape!!!!!!) What happened was in the old days, different mastering plants around the world would get there own copy, which might be as many as three generation down. They'd then make there own copy, for safety reasons, and so on! Now we're in the DIGITAL RECORDING AGE, record companys are seeking out the original FIRST GENERATION 1/4 TAPE MASTER and copying it straight to a DIGITAL TAPE FORMAT. The BIG advantage with doing this is once DIGITAL, and you stay that way, you get NO loss of sound quality and no extra tape hiss! Infact you can copy as many times as you like with out any problems. COMPACT DISC is DIGITAL AUDIO, so you get the greatest advantage from the digital re-mastering process! So there you are! Nicky D. London, England. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #244 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #245 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 13 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 245 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 13:22:57 GMT Subject: Re: Exceller 8? (was Re: Activ-8) Really-From: "Marvin the Paranoid Android" >It sounds like you're referring to Exceller 8, a 1975 'best of' release. >My copy is on Mercury, and yes, it probably was a cash-in since KW had just >changed record companies. The version of "Autobahn" on this album is *not* >the Vertigo single edit, but yet another different edit. yes, I was! I was writing it without the original in front of me, so my memory must hyave let me down! SORRY! > >In fact, I think most of these are edited...and I'd think not by Kraftwer. >Here's my track listsing: > >Side One >Ruckzack (7:32) >Autobahn (3:09) - from Autobahn >Tongebirge (2:51) - from R&F >Kristallo (6:20) - from R&F > >Side Two >Comet Melody 2 (Kometenmelodie II) (2:51) - from Autobahn >Klingklang (9:26) >Vom Himmell Hoch (4:01) >Stratovarius (1:36) That is the track listing that I have on my copy...how heavily edited are they? I bought it as I have never heard most of R&F, or KW/KW2, and so I thought it might give me a taster of them. Thanks for listening and helping! ********************************************************************** * From Steven Way * * IT92SMW@CCS.EDGE-HILL-COLLEGE.AC.UK * * Edge Hill College, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England * ********************************************************************** "I have often thought that if there had been a good rap group around in those days I might have chosen a career in music instead of politics" Richard M. Nixon, quoted in the insert to Jello and Mojo's "Prairie Home Invasion", 1994 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 17:06:49 +0100 Subject: Re: MUSIC? Really-From: me3tomjo@ikm.his.se (Tommie =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= ) >1. How long have you been into KRAFTWERK, and where did you first hear >them? > I don't know when I heard them for the first time, but I started listening to them around 1986 when I saw the then Hi-tech computergraphics in the Musique Non-stop videoclip. I also can recall something a friend of mine referred as computermusic when I went to school. He mentioned Computerworld, a record his brothers used to listen to then. This must have been around 1981-82. That's when I first became aware of KW, I think. >2. What's your favourite album, and what format do you listen to them on > most? I think Computerworld must be the best album, but I really do like the more warm and optimistic sounds of their mid - to late 70's recordings. Lately, I tend to like the KW1 album very much. It ain't easy-listening, but it's very cool compared to other kinds of prog-rock from that era. I prefer listening to vinyl records, even if the new re-release of Computerworld sounds very good on CD. >3. How do you think they rate, compared to other bands over the last >thirty years? Outstanding. . >4. How popular are they in the country you live in? > Quite popular, really. Especially with the "Synth crowd". But I have to ask something to everybody on this list. Why is it like, you know, it's just boys that like Kraftwerk (almost)? I really wonder sometimes. I've just met one or two girls that likes KW, all the others refer it as "nerd music" or something like that... I think it's sad. Peace, ________________________________Tommie Joensson Me3tomjo@ikm.his.se ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 18:54:10 +0200 (DFT) Subject: Re: MUSIC? Really-From: tby@ts.umu.se (Tomas Bystrom) > But I have to ask something to everybody on this list. Why is it like, = you > know, it's just boys that like Kraftwerk (almost)? I really wonder > sometimes. I've just met one or two girls that likes KW, all the others= > refer it as "nerd music" or something like that... > I think it's sad. > Hmm, when you say it, it's really striking! I guess if they listened to = some tunes like 'Hall of Mirrors' (as near a ballad that KW has done IMHO= ) = they probably would change their minds a bit. I guess it's a matter of = realising that it's quite regular pop-tunes anf not that "Computer music"= =2E That was the fact with my mother (hmm, not exactly a girl though :), she = had lots of prejudices, but when she actually listened to the tunes she = got to see that it was just quite easy-listened pop-music. OK, today = their music aren't really so "controversial" (couldn't find the right = word) that it was when it first appeared. /Tomas Bystrom ( - who's the type of guy that feeds all prejudices about = KW-fans :) = ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 12:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Exceller 8 Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Now I've got all of the albums in front of me. Here's a comparison of original and edited lengths (of course, album times off a track listing are always suspect, so any difference of just a few seconds may not indicate editing): > >Ruckzack (7:32) 7:47 on KW1. > >Autobahn (3:09) - from Autobahn 22:30 > >Tongebirge (2:51) - from R&F 2:50 > >Kristallo (6:20) - from R&F 6:18 > >Comet Melody 2 (Kometenmelodie II) (2:51) - from Autobahn 6:20 > >Klingklang (9:26) 17:36 from KW2. > >Vom Himmell Hoch (4:01) 10:12 from KW1. > >Stratovarius (1:36) 12:10 from KW1. > That is the track listing that I have on my copy...how heavily edited > are they? Now you know....and knowing's half the battle! Christopher Robin Zimmerman ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #245 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #246 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 15 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 246 Trans Europe Express Re: Trans Europe Express Re: Trans Europe Express Re: Trans Europe Express Trans Europe Express ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 20:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Trans Europe Express Really-From: Edy Braun I am trying to convince a friend that Kraftwerk's stuff has been sampled by everyone else and not the other way around. Which came first, Trans Europe Express or Planet Rock? Planet rock is this really old break-dancing-era song with voices and with the really prominent melody line in Trans Europe Express (4 bars, each separated by a comma): Notes: E F A# A, E F A G, E F A# A, E A. Help me out! My friend thinks Kraftwerk stole that melody off of the composers of Planet Rock. Please also tell me which group made Planet Rock, because neither of us know the group. Edy. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 22:58:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Trans Europe Express Really-From: Curryous@aol.com Edy, I'm pretty sure Afrika Bambaata did Planet Rock (or someone in that "posse", if you will). Whatever the name, I recall they (and Public Enemy and many others) have long acknowledged "die Mensch Maschine" as a primary influence on rap and hip-hop from the get-go!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 23:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Trans Europe Express Really-From: "Francis X. Connor" This is a no-brainer: TEE came out in 1977; Afrika Bambaataa'a "Planet Rock" came out in 1982. Bambaataa became famous for his highly innovative sound that he achieved by mixing KW into standard early-eighties "street" records. KW is more influential in the rap world than a lot of people give them credit for; listen to Whodini or Grandmaster Flash and I think there's a definite Kraftwerk influence. I've heard that George Clinton's a fan, too. - ---Fran ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 00:04:52 EDT Subject: Re: Trans Europe Express Really-From: kraftwerk@MIT.EDU >I am trying to convince a friend that Kraftwerk's stuff has been sampled >by everyone else and not the other way around. Which came first, Trans >Europe Express or Planet Rock? Planet rock is this really old >break-dancing-era song with voices and with the really prominent melody >line in Trans Europe Express (4 bars, each separated by a comma): > > Notes: E F A# A, E F A G, E F A# A, E A. > >Help me out! My friend thinks Kraftwerk stole that melody off of the >composers of Planet Rock. Please also tell me which group made Planet >Rock, because neither of us know the group. >Edy. Planet Rock was made by Afrika Bambaataa (founder of the Zulu Nation). It sampled Trans Europa Express. From the book "Man Machine and Music", p. 92: "Sales of Trans-Europe Express fared slightly better than Radio-Activity, reaching No 119 in the US charts. Later it re-entered the US charts at No 67 in June 1978, but it wasn't until February 1982 that the LP was better recognized after Afrika Bambaataa had sampled the title track, reaching No 49 in the UK charts. The title track has always remained a disco favourite, particularly in the US, where as recently as 1990 it was released as a single in the Classic Capitol Dance Tracks Series." The following is not in the book, but something I heard in a hip-hop discussion group I took part in last year. Apparently, Afrika Bambaataa was sued. Was this the first time there was a lawsuit regarding sampling? Possibly. I believe that it was the EMI label that sued Bambaataa, not Kraftwerk itself. Then again, maybe I just think that because I don't want to think of Kraftwerk as suing over sampling. Henning Colsman-Freyberger kraftwerk@mit.edu ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 22:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Trans Europe Express Really-From: lazlo@Rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > I am trying to convince a friend that Kraftwerk's stuff has been sampled > by everyone else and not the other way around. Which came first, Trans > Europe Express or Planet Rock? Your pal needs a swift kick in the brainpan. :-) Trans-Europe Express came out in 1977; Afrika Bambaataa and the Soulsonic Force's single "Planet Rock" came out in 1982. And Elektric Music did a *great* remix for the ten-year-anniversary reissue of the Soulsonic Force single, bringing the whole thing full circle. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Check out http://www.rt66.com/lazlo for the Internet Music Wantlists, ::: many artist discographies, and other record collecting resources. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #246 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #247 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 15 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 247 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 10:00:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Europeans Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: JWDJ%trans.wtp.bbc@nr-comms.radio.bbc.co.uk(Jonathan Jones) > > There doesn't seem to be many KW appreciators in the UK that have the > local knowledge that I require > Let me know if your out there. What do you want to know ? Mail and ask. Richard. Bristol, UK. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #247 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #248 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 16 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 248 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 16:19:25 +0100 Subject: Really-From: paul@school-of-computing.plymouth.ac.uk (Paul Maguire) unsubscribe kraftwerk ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #248 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #249 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 17 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 249 Austrian fan re music Data Re: Austrian fan Re: Austrian fan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 10:43:30 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: Austrian fan Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Hello to the Austrian fan on the list, Feel free to contact me under my private address. I'm from germany, and besides being a hardcore KW collector, I also have a taste for other electronic music. Mein Adresse: poecker@pool.uni-mannheim.de Freue mich auf mails, Gunther ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 16:21:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: re music Really-From: Steven Norgate The first time I really heard Kraftwerk was when I saw the 1991 at Birmingham's Hummingbird. I'd never heard them properly before, I'd never been introduced to them, I just read this article and saw some other press and thought they must be worth checking out. I'd always been in to what they influenced, since I got my first stereo at the age of 11 my favorites on the radio were the strange electronic tunes that they called House. I'd followed the scene since those early Chicago Jack Trax days but it wasn't until I saw that concert, aged 16, that I realised what Kraftwerk were. It was like finding the missing link in some evolutionary chain that started with the Beach Boys my Dad used to play (although this dawned on me much later on reading Pascal Bussey's excellent book) and the Synth Pop and `Dance' scene that I had grown up with until then. Suffice to say from that moment on I went about finding as much ( reasonably priced) back catalogue as possible, my favorite is the glow in the dark Neon Lights 12". My favorite album has to be Computer World. Although Man Machine is more lyrical and is generally more adept at the `pop' ideal the whole concept of Computer world makes perfect sense. The fusion of computer music with futurism, idealism and even the exquisite joy of numbers has yet to be matched in terms of an all encompassing concept for an Album. The Kraftwerk `sound' sat perfectly with the vision as the world was launched into the microchip revolution, Computer World is the defining Album for Kraftwerk, it says all you need to know about them, their music and their love of technology. They were right about it all of course and it's difficult to be that right twice in a lifetime. They were predicting things that only now are true and I'm probably wrong but I think it may have been easier to predict then and be startling than now when we are more clued up on such matters (I wasn't there then in meaningful sense so it's difficult to say ) . Part of their silence may be due to the fact that to predict again, on similar matters , would be not as big a shock, perhaps they have a new area in mind and I look forward to their ground breaking Neuron LP in which they foretell the future of medical and biological science as mankind starts to unravel the mystery of the human mind. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 16 MAY 95 14:43:50 EDT Subject: Data Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Did anyone see the Star Trek Next Generation where Data performs with Kraftwerk on the Holodeck? Just kidding. The Neuron LP triggered my Neuron!! But would Data or R&F find humour in this? Philip ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 15:54:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Austrian fan Really-From: Curryous@aol.com Hi Gunther, I have a small label, Curious Music, that is releasing music by Cluster, Moebius & Plank, Roedelius, et. al. Let me know if this is an area of interest to you. Russ Curry Curryous@aol.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 16:40:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Austrian fan Really-From: Casper8@aol.com sorry to disappoint you but, I am not Austrian...I live in New York...but thanks for the letter... chelle ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #249 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #251 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 19 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 251 Re: re music ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 18 May 95 12:32:18 EDT Subject: Re: re music Really-From: deakin01@bh.bbc.co.uk(Nicolas Deakin) Excellent read, Steven (Norgate) Ever thought of being a journalist? Nicky D. London, England. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #251 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #252 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 20 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 252 re neuron LP Re: re neuron LP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 13:27:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: re neuron LP Really-From: Steven Norgate Oh dear, I'm sorry to say that the Neuron LP is completely ficticious. It was just an idea of what Kraftwerk could be working on and I made the whole thing up. Sorry to disapoint, but I have no more idea than anybody else as to what it is Kraftwerk are doing. Hey here's another one, perhaps they have just given up on futurism altogether and moved on to other concepts such as politics or religion. Unlikely I know but it's worth thinking about isn't it? P.S Thanks for the complement Nicky D, I don't get much chance to express myself being an Electronic Engineering student and I really enjoy chating on the e-mail, as to becoming a journo I wouldn't mind but I've a feeling that I'd have to really try to break into it and I got enough on plate as it is. Unless you know some editors you could put me touch with (I could do with the cash). ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 19 May 95 17:32:39 EDT Subject: Re: re neuron LP Really-From: deakin01@bh.bbc.co.uk(Nicolas Deakin) Nice one!! Nicky D. London, England. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #252 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #253 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 21 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 253 Emil Shult Kraftwerk touring ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 16:42:15 BST Subject: Emil Shult Really-From: SHANE Hi, I picked up an Information Society CD last week, with two tracks produced by Elektric Music. Also in the credits wa Emil Shult. What has Emil Shult been doing these last few years? Has he been involved in any other musical projects besides Kraftwerk and Elektric Music? - -shane j ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 22:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kraftwerk touring Really-From: Robert Wernli Is Kraftwerk ever going to tour again? Also, have they ever played in San Diego or Los Angeles before? Rob ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #253 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #254 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 23 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 254 Re:Using the Internet! re times may vary Re:Using the Internet! Kraftwerk CD-ROM Re: Re:Using the Internet! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 22 May 95 11:56:04 EDT Subject: Re:Using the Internet! Really-From: deakin01@bh.bbc.co.uk(Nicolas Deakin) Changing the subject for a few seconds! I think most of you are linked to the Internet by your PC at work, and not at home? Is this true? The reason I ask, is because there's NO eMAIL over the weekend! Also, being in the UK, there's none before 3pm, as we are at least 5 hours ahead of the USA. Am I right? Nicky D. London, England. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 14:59:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: re times may vary Really-From: Steven Norgate I'm using the e-mail provided by my University network which is why you won't here from me at the weekends. Also I don't think much to the concept of getting up early in the morning which is why I rarely mail before 3pm. The annoyiong thing is because the e-mail is provided (for free) by the University I won't be online from the middle of June to the start of the new academic year in October. Bummer. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:14:31 -0600 Subject: Re:Using the Internet! Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Ra) >Changing the subject for a few seconds! I think most of you are linked to >the Internet by your PC at work, and not at home? Is this true? Not me. I have both a shell account and a PPP connection, which I use at home. I also have a college account, but it doesn't have decent Internet access. /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | The full spectrum of the bizarre. | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 02:37:48 +0200 Subject: Kraftwerk CD-ROM Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) It just occured to me today, wouldn't it be nice if KW were to release an interactive CD-ROM? Imagine a journey through KW's world of the past, present and the future, accompanied of course by sound + video bits... Mmmhhh. I think this media would suit them well and they were always talking about distributing their data around the world. Maybe they could also provide various audio sequences which can be arranged by the user, so everybody can make their own new KW song! Then we could all sit here and swap the pieces we generated and we could have a new KW song any time we please... That way KW would indeed be immortal! An autogenous system reproducing itself... Hmmm, yes I think that would be nice.... I'm the Antenna catching vibration - you're the transmitter give information! (mw) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:03:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Re:Using the Internet! Really-From: BERLIN6517@aol.com hi nicky, i am using my pc only at home and i think you are at least 9 hours a had of the usa.(west coast) greetings berlin6517@aol.com ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #254 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #255 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 24 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 255 Re: Kraftwerk CD-ROM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 23 May 95 12:37:30 GMT-3:00 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk CD-ROM Really-From: Eduardo Marcel Macan > > It just occured to me today, wouldn't it be nice if KW were to release an > interactive CD-ROM? Imagine a journey through KW's world of the past, present > and the future, accompanied of course by sound + video bits... Mmmhhh. =) =) =) > distributing their data around the world. Maybe they could also provide > various audio sequences which can be arranged by the user, so everybody can > make their own new KW song! Then we could all sit here and swap the pieces we > generated and we could have a new KW song any time we please... That would be nice, since they don't seem to be much worried about making new music... As we say here in Brazil: If you want something well done, do it by yourself! ;) :) > (mw) []s, macan ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #255 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #256 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 29 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 256 DJ's BEst-Tour De France-URGENT!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 23:33:06 -0400 Subject: DJ's BEst-Tour De France-URGENT!!! Really-From: MoogBoy@aol.com If you can get this CD, or know a place to get this CD in America...please let me know. If not...does anyone know the name of any german record stores so I could call up and mail order it? Please send responses to me directly "Moogboy@aol.com" Thanks!!! ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #256 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #257 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 30 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 257 unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Re: MUSIC? Re: Record Conventions Re: "Electric Cafe" as symptom of general Kraftwerk dilemma Re: MUSIC? Ever met KW? Re: Record Conventions Re: Ever met KW? Kraftwerk on WWW? Re: Kraftwerk on WWW? Re: Ever met KW? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:13:59 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest Really-From: "Martin S. Nielsen" unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 10:58:33 -0400 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #238 Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Re: the "Robots" cassette--I've never seen it in any other format either. And yes, the "edits" are, shall we say, awkward? For die-hard collectors only. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:10:19 -0400 Subject: Re: MUSIC? Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com How ironic; we tend to get involved in the minutiae of fetishistic details regarding Kraftwerk (perhaps we're all spinning our collective wheels awaiting the next Album From On High), to the detriment of discussing the music. In a nutshell, the reason I find Kraftwerk so fascinating: The actual "sound" of the music sounds, to me, more uniquely individualistic and "futuristic" than any other band, even though anyone can make synth music these days. While other synth-based bands seem to use the same rhythms and sounds--I find it ironic that, given the musical palette to create an infinite variety of electronic textures, everyone uses the same beats and sounds, and copy one another (but then, you could say that of any musical genre). I admire their "less is more" aesthetic--it takes real creativity to choose certain sounds from all the choices available to today's electronic musician. I like the fact that they know how to work a hypnotic groove. I like their sense of humor, whether stated or implied. I like the fact that they "wrote the book" on so much of today's electronic dance musc--most of today's dance, synth, texhno, what-have-you bands owe their existence to Kraftwerk. And most of all, I like the melodies. Things like the main melody to "Computerwelt" have been going through my head for over ten years now, with no signs of stopping! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:11:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Record Conventions Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I live on Long island, have gone to dozens of record collectors' conventions, and have never seen a Kraftwerk bootleg (nuts!), though I have found rare 12-inch 45s and such. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 11:22:16 -0400 Subject: Re: "Electric Cafe" as symptom of general Kraftwerk dilemma Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com When i first heard "Electric Cafe," I didn't know what to make of it. I confess that I tried to warm up to it, but in my heart of hearts, my feeling was, "all this time for this?" I really expected a quantum leap beyond Computerwelt, or at least a continuation in that vein. However...as time goes on (almost ten years!) I find myself liking it more and more, as it now does sound more like a continuation, a progression, and, as always for Kraftwerk, a pointing towards the future of music. in other words, it now sounds far less strange and bizarre and far more in keeping with much of where music has evolved to in the last few years. I find The Mix to be an exciting continuation in that direction, though I long for new material! To me, "Electric Cafe" and "Musique Nonstop" from EC, and "The RObots" and "Radioactivity" from The Mix provide an indication where Kraftwerk is going. I believe their next release will--just a hunch here--exploit the technology of "morphing sounds," where one synthetic sound gradually transforms into another over time. (In fact, I wonder why today's bands don't do more of this--or is there a band out there working this territory of which I am unaware?) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 95 11:27:28 EDT Subject: Re: MUSIC? Really-From: (Chris LaRose) On Mon, 29 May 1995 11:10:19 -0400 you wrote: >Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > >How ironic; we tend to get involved in the minutiae of fetishistic details >regarding Kraftwerk (perhaps we're all spinning our collective wheels >awaiting the next Album From On High), to the detriment of discussing the >music. In a nutshell, the reason I find Kraftwerk so fascinating: The actual >"sound" of the music sounds, to me, more uniquely individualistic and >"futuristic" than any other band, even though anyone can make synth music >these days. While other synth-based bands seem to use the same rhythms I've always admired the 'personality' of their sounds. It isn't talked about that much but I think they spend a great deal of time tweaking the various sounds and textures they create. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 17:29:06 +0100 Subject: Ever met KW? Really-From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) How many of you guys have ever met a member of KW? Offstage I mean, not just in concert. It would be interresting to hear all anecdotes about strange encounters in Duesseldorf of elsewhere around the planet. Personally, I met Ralf once on a press conference held at EMI Swedens office on the 19th of October 1991. There was about 10-15 journalists present (at that time I was working for swedish New Life Soundmagazine). Ralf was dressed in black trousers and polo sweater, and was in a calm but openminded mood. The most interresting answers were about Karl and Wolfgang. He meant that they were never full members of KW, but just project workers. A statement that I'm sure Karl and Wolfgang would strongly object to. The press conf lasted for one hour, and at the end Ralf talked about bootlegs. He said he didn't mind about them... In fact, he even signed my Cologne -75 CD, along with a few official releases I'd brought along. It was a great day, all in all. I also have to mention a brief interview made with Electric music (May last year). Backstage, at Melody in Stockholm where they did their first live appearance, I talked with Karl, Emil and Lothar for fifteen minutes. Here too, I couldn't resist the temptation of bringing a few sleeves for signing... Emil, especially, was very nice, and took his time to make small drawings, although it was 2 am. Nice chaps, I have to say... Keep 'em letters comin Jan Sundstrom d-sunjan@jmk.su.se ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 17:46:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Record Conventions Really-From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) >Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com >I live on Long island, have gone to dozens of record collectors' conventions, >and have never seen a Kraftwerk bootleg (nuts!). Get over to Europe! Jan Sundstrom d-sunjan@jmk.su.se ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 13:52:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Ever met KW? Really-From: saxmania@rci.ripco.com (Sax Therapy) > > Really-From: d-sunjan@jmk.su.se (Jan Sundstrom) > > How many of you guys have ever met a member of KW? Offstage I mean, not > just in concert. > It would be interresting to hear all anecdotes about strange encounters in > Duesseldorf of elsewhere around the planet. I had the pleasure of meeting Ralf and Florian several times. I was doing radio in the early 70's and had been playing KW albums on import since around 1971. Ruck Zuck use to be a great favorite with the radio audiences. The phones would go crazy anytime I'd play that selection. At that time Mercury records had offices in Chicago and when Autobahn came out in Europe they made sure I had a copy. Thus I was the first American dj to air Autobahn. I was very excited when the promo man brought me that copy of Autobahn. I put it on the air right away. The phones started ringing right away with listeners wanting to know what it was. So when Kraftwerk came to the states they came over for a radio interview. I posted an edited version of the interview to this list about a month ago. If you didn't get it, you'll find it at my Web page http://ripco.com:8080/~saxmania/triad.html or if you don't have www access I'll e-mail it to you. Next time I'll tell you about the time I visited Dusseldorf and got to see their studio and spent the night at Florian's.........Saul - -- ______________________________________________________________________________ /~(_)~\ /~(_)~\ II====== l =-} saul smaizys saxmania@ripco.com {-= l ======II \_(~)_/ web page=http://ripco.com:8080/~saxmania/A.html \_(~)_/ ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 16:05:27 -0400 Subject: Kraftwerk on WWW? Really-From: MoogBoy@aol.com Does anyopne know if Kraftwerk has an official (or any) sites on the WWW? Please respond to: Moogboy@aol.com Thanks! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 95 15:42:23 EDT Subject: Re: Kraftwerk on WWW? Really-From: (Chris LaRose) On Mon, 29 May 1995 16:05:27 -0400 you wrote: >Really-From: MoogBoy@aol.com > >Does anyopne know if Kraftwerk has an official (or any) sites on the WWW? >Please respond to: Moogboy@aol.com > >Thanks! > > http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 21:10:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Ever met KW? Really-From: Curryous@aol.com in 1981 i walked past florian schneider on the stairs at Park West in chicago. I was seventeen and drunk out of my mind and thought i would make an idiot of myself so I din't talk to him. I have been in deep regret ever since. Ralf was there too standing by the mixing board on the second floor. He had on a nice black turtleneck and was drinking coffee, very calm. I tried to get his autograph but a bouncer detered me. Russ Curry ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #257 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #258 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 31 May 1995 Volume 02 : Number 258 Re: Ever met KW? 1976 Tour "Nero in South America" LP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:08:39 +0100 Subject: Re: Ever met KW? Really-From: me3tomjo@ikm.his.se (Tommie =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= ) > >Jan Sundstrom >d-sunjan@jmk.su.se: >I also have to mention a brief interview made with Electric music (May last >year). Backstage, at Melody in Stockholm where they did their first live >appearance, I talked with Karl, Emil and Lothar for fifteen minutes. Here >too, I couldn't resist the temptation of bringing a few sleeves for >signing... >Emil, especially, was very nice, and took his time to make small drawings, >although it was 2 am. I was at that concert too... and got very disappointed! Not so much of the music (even if the performance was a little lame, and where were LFO?). No, it was more like "Look, there he is... Karl from Kraftwerk... wonder who he is standing there talking to... Have to look it up... perhaps chat a little bit with the legendary drummer from Duesseldorf... oh no... it can't be true... HE IS TALKING TO THE MOBILE HOMES! OH NO!!" Well, I was so crushed by that fact that I didn't even bother approaching him to get sleeves signed, etc etc etc. Infact, for the rest of the night I felt a strange feeling in my stomach. The Mobile Homes... Those horrifyingly bad DM-clones! Probably the worst to ever come out of swedish music business...ever! (OK, Europe was even worse, I have to admit that). At the time, there was a rumour that Karl was going to produce the next album of the Mobile Homes, which I refused to beleive in, but... well, I was more than a little disappointed. I think EM lost a lot of credibility there. But on the other hand, they're not KW, and I do like their music. Just make sure you don't buy everything marked with a "produced by Elektric Music" sticker on it. Especially when it cames to Mobile Homes... bye, ________________________________Tommie Joensson Me3tomjo@ikm.his.se ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:12:24 MET+100 Subject: 1976 Tour Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" Has somebody on this list seen Kraftwerk during their 1976 European tour? Or has somebody documentary material from this tour (live recordings, photos etc.)? Thank you, Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:12:10 MET+100 Subject: "Nero in South America" LP Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" Florian Schneider appeared on an LP called "Nero in South America" in 1970. I believe that the name of the formation was "Paulo Nero Sounds". Has somebody a copy of this LP? Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #258 *******************************