From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #176 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 1 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 176 subscription ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:47:24 -0500 Subject: subscription Really-From: KJDodson@aol.com Greetings, I would be delighted to be included on your Kraftwerk mailing list. I can be reached at: kjdodson@aol.com Thankyou very much! Kelly ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #176 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #177 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 2 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 177 Kraftwerk bootlegs confiscated Kraftwerk requests ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:52:54 MET+100 Subject: Kraftwerk bootlegs confiscated Really-From: "ZAEPKE.KLAUS" It seems to be unlikely that the expected new Kraftwerk CD-bootlegs from Germany/Italy will ever appear. German customs officers confiscated 15000 CDs during a police raid in Cologne. Among the confiscated material were also some master tapes of recordings from Kraftwerk (Source: Musikmarkt 7/1995). Klaus Zaepke ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:44:12 -0500 Subject: Kraftwerk requests Really-From: KJDodson@aol.com Greetings, Please subscribe kjdodson@aol.com thankyou ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #177 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #178 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 3 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 178 Re: Sister Ray - Kraftwerk CD's in London ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:00:56 +0000 Subject: Re: Sister Ray - Kraftwerk CD's in London Really-From: Traviss Willcox >Really-From: Lars Nellemann >The KW 1 and 2 and Ralph and florian can be obtained by mail order from: >Sister ray >94 Berwick St. >Soho >London W1V 3PP >UK >fax 071/287 1087 >they take creditcard and the CD Hi, Just noticed that Compact Disc Connection doesn't carry "Autobahn" any more, and neither does CDNow .... Also, CDNow claims "Trans-Europe Express" is "discontinued" -- Does this mean that Cleopatra's stopped making these ? ( Of course, this is in the US ) - -- Rajesh ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:26:47 -0500 Subject: Re: My prev. message Really-From: Rajesh Prabhu Uh, just realized that "Autobahn" is on Elektra, not on Cleopatra. Nevertheless, it does seem oop, since Noteworthy doesn't carry it either .. - -- Rajesh ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 3 MAR 95 16:25:39 EST Subject: re: Kraftwerk bootlegs confiscated Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Can anyone explain more about this. Are the bootlegs of older outakes or from an upcoming release. philip pilgrim How about the similaities between Win95 and the new KW album? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 1995 21:38:19 BST Subject: RE: re: Kraftwerk bootlegs confiscated Really-From: Shane J Wims >How about the similaities between Win95 and the new KW album? What, you mean they're both vaporware?? :( Or which will come first? ;-) - -ShaneJ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 3 MAR 95 21:02:10 EST Subject: re: Kraftwerk bootlegs confiscated Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Actually a friend has WIN95 beta dated last week. It's quite a step back for anyone who likes conventional Windows. It's GUI is very mundane like a Mac and quite insulting to one's intellect. Ya macs are friendly and easy to start if you are new to computers and know very little but I always make the analogy of a Mac to an automatic car where as a PC is like a manual. One is easy learn but the other is more flexible. People who drive standards seem to be better drivers and more aware of their machine. Here are some other analogies Mac : PC Department Store Keyboard : Real Synth Polaroid Camera : 35mm Camera Integrated Stereo : Component stereo The general trend in products for the masses seems to be to make things as simple as possible. This however limits or eliminates many of the interesting functions of an item. Can you imagine if Kraftwerk had to make a CD by using only Department store PSR type keyboards!! I infact tried this. Using only a Sound blaster's FM synths preset sounds I attempted to do a KWish song. It turned out quite well but I had to use a drum sound module because the synth cards sounds were just too bad. If anyone is desperatly needing a KW fix I can send a .wav snippit or even a cassette for their opinions/ critiques..etc. Philip Pilgrim ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:30:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: re: Kraftwerk homeade music Really-From: "Aaron J. Grier" On 3 Mar 1995, Phil wrote: > The general trend in products for the masses seems to be to make things as > simple as possible. This however limits or eliminates many of the > interesting functions of an item. Can you imagine if Kraftwerk had to make a > CD by using only Department store PSR type keyboards!! I infact tried this. > Using only a Sound blaster's FM synths preset sounds I attempted to do a > KWish song. It turned out quite well but I had to use a drum sound module > because the synth cards sounds were just too bad. If anyone is desperatly > needing a KW fix I can send a .wav snippit or even a cassette for their > opinions/ critiques..etc. Can you send me a copy of this? I'll mail you a cheque (in US$) if you like to cover postage and/or tape cost. - ---- The Finn / VLA Aaron J. Grier agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 21:35:48 -0500 Subject: Re: re: Kraftwerk homeade music Really-From: Tarkus1958@aol.com One day I was goofing around at my TV station job and I put together a short music video using Kraftwerk's "Boing Boom Tchak (Musique Non Stop Techno Pop)". I don't know what KW themselves would think about it, being unauthorized and everything, but if you'd like to see it, e-mail me at tarkus1958@aol.com and I'll ship you a copy. G.T. Tyson Tarkus1958 ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #179 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #180 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 5 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 180 Any Soundblaster files with Kraftwerk music? Simple stuff etc. Tons of KW available via net RE: Simple stuff etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:15:10 +0100 (MET) Subject: Any Soundblaster files with Kraftwerk music? Really-From: Tobias Benjamin Koehler I have a SoundBlaster Pro on my PC, does anyone have files with Kraftwerk music that I can play on it? (any format... for some I would also need a player program) thanks, toby - -- _)\_ _..--'O"o\-. tobias benjamin koehler /e ,`--o'O o O' 0 o|.`o-._ <_, ; o 0 o" O "_.\ o( `-._o``--..___..-o') s_tbk@ira.uka.de --' `, o/,--''' _/O,'; ``-o..o___o--'' unci @ trails _,'o,'/ (,.'-' unci_narynin @ furrymuck (,.-'-' pic: felix lee unci @ sociopolitical ramifications ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:17:38 +0100 Subject: Simple stuff etc. Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA >Actually a friend has WIN95 beta dated last week. It's quite a step back for >anyone who likes conventional Windows. Yes, absolutly. IMHO nothing compares to Win 3.1x with the Norton Desktop. I got Win95 5 months ago and after about 48 hours of installation when at last I got it to work ("plug & play") I must say it is one giant leap backwards, so I returned to Win 3 + NDW. >Can you imagine if Kraftwerk had to make a CD by using only Department store >PSR type keyboards!! Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Pocket Calculator is done in exactly this way (except for the percussion). >If anyone is desperatly needing a KW fix I can send a .wav snippit. Yes, please do so! I'd love to hear that. Thanks. P.S. Did you get an ARP yet? :-) (mw) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 95 15:19:56 EST Subject: Tons of KW available via net Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) Howdy, well, last week I posted a message asking for sources where I could buy the KW1, KW2 and R&F CD's. **NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY AN AD** (I've nevered ordered from these guys), but I have found all these and tons more at the "cdnow.com" web site: http://cdnow.com Here's the [greatly edited] list of their KW selections: [CAPITOL YEARS-3 ORIGINALS...................................] CD $41.37 [COMPUTER WORLD..............................................] CD $11.77 [ELECTRIC CAFE...............................................] CD $11.77 [MAN-MACHINE.................................................] CD $12.77 [MIX.........................................................] CD $11.77 [MODEL-RETROSPECTIVE 1975-1978...............................] CD $12.77 [RADIO-ACTIVITY..............................................] CD $12.77 [SHOWROOM DUMMIES............................................] CD $9.77 Imports: [COMPUTERS IN LOVE (DBL).....................................] CD $55.97 [COMPUTERTOUR (LIVE '81).....................................] CD $34.97 [Dfsseldorf 1991, Part 1.....................................] CD $27.97 [Dfsseldorf 1991, Part 2.....................................] CD $27.97 [ELITE RECORDINGS (9 REMIXES)................................] CD $27.97 [HEUTE ABEND.................................................] CD $69.97 [JAPAN 1981 (LIVE)...........................................] CD $27.97 * [KRAFTWERK (1ST ALBUM).......................................] CD $27.97 * [KRAFTWERK 2.................................................] CD $27.97 [LIVE IN BRIXTON, ACADEMY....................................] CD $69.97 [LIVE IN COLOGNE '75.........................................] CD $27.97 [NUMBERS (LIVE '81)..........................................] CD $27.97 * [RALF + FLORIAN..............................................] CD $27.97 [REMIX (11 TRACKS)...........................................] CD $27.97 [Rebuilt In Ninetytwo........................................] CD $27.97 [SCHUNE NEUE WELT (OUTTAKES).................................] CD $27.97 [ULTRA RARE TRAX.............................................] CD $27.97 [VIRTU EX MACHINA (LIVE).....................................] CD $27.97 The only live CD I have is "N1 to Zurich", which although reportedly is the best bootleg, is not available here. Are any of these other bootlegs worth getting? (especially at US$69.97 ?!?!?!) Also, how is the sound quality of the KW1, KW2 and R&F CD's? Are they mastered from tapes or vinyl? (this is a serious question!) Happy listening! - -Eric *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | | .......... Administrator, Level 42 Digest Mailing List ............ | | Princeton Transportation Consulting Group, Inc. .... Burlington, MA | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 03:45:08 EST Subject: RE: Simple stuff etc. Really-From: beard@met.co.nz >>Can you imagine if Kraftwerk had to make a CD by using only Department store >>PSR type keyboards!! > >Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Pocket Calculator is done in >exactly this way (except for the percussion). I was under the impression that the melody line in Pocket Calculator was made by a Casio Fx-502P programmable calculator, and that the rest came from KW's usual synths. In fact, this was how I discovered KW: reading a review of Computer World in a computer magazine (in 1981) and being intrigued by the idea of a band using a calculator compatible to my own (Fx-602P) for making music. To get sound out of one of these calculators, one had to use a tape interface (those were the days!) and either record the tune that you programmed onto a cassette or fiddle with the tape recorder so that the input played through the speakers. The sound was a simple square-wave, slightly filtered, but as KW showed, with a little treatment it could sound quite reasonable. Programming tunes was quite different from using a normal sequencer: it was part of the programming language, which meant that one could use GOSUB's etc to create interesting nested musical structures. Can someone confirm or deny KW's use of an Fx-502P on Pocket Calculator? Thanks, Tom. ============================================================================== Tom Beard "Moderation is for monks" beard@metdp1.met.co.nz Auckland, New Zealand ============================================================================== ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #180 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #181 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 6 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 181 RE: Simple stuff etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 14:21:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: Simple stuff etc. Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" As far as I can remember KW did use the calculator U mention. I remember seeing it at a live concertin 1981. - ------------------------------------////-------------------------------------- Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/100HD 030/882/5Mb 50Mhz 401 Euclid Ave //// makes A2286 & VGA 100MB HD Syracuse N.Y. 13210 \\\\//// it A2230 Flickerfixer gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 - -------------------------------\\//----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #181 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #182 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 7 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 182 video trading Bootleg advice My bootleg opinions...(no, not moral, just quality...) Re: My bootleg opinions...(no, not moral, just quality...) Re: digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 03:03:43 +0500 Subject: video trading Really-From: seharley@vt.edu (Sean Harley) I'm looking for any kraftwerk videos on tape, especially if they did one for The Robots or Computer Love. I would by willing to trade any New Order, Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, or KMFDM videos I have. Thanks ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:45:53 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: Bootleg advice Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER STUDENT" Well, of the bootlegs on the list, Rebuilt 91 1 and 2 are worth getting, also Computers in Love (Excellent '81 concert with some quite extravagant versions.) Both boots have superb sound quality comparable to the N1 to Zurich. Brixton Academy is also very good, but a bit expensive at $ 65. Avoid Computertour and, especially, Heute Abend - terrible sound. The Koeln '75 boot is also very good - with a superb Ruckzuck live version. The bootlegs of the early albums are available in two distinct versions from different bootleggers. The editions with bonus tracks should be avoided as the sound quality is not too good. In fact, all pressings are mastered from vinyl, and this is audible; the bonus track boots have a lot of static and are not pure joy to listen to. The other boots without bonus have better sound. The Organisation album bootleg is only available from the line with bonus tracks, but it is the best of the batch. The best advice on these is still: try find originals. From what I have read on the list and seen in the US for myself, the Kraftwerk 1 plus 2 double LP is quite cheap and can be found. Ralf and Florian is scarcer, but there are a lot of copies with cut-out corners around, and these are quite cheap. (I have seen the double at $ 12 and R&F at $ 18) hope this helps a bit. Gunther ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:55:43 -0500 Subject: Really-From: "CyberGoose" To: Philip Pilgrim I've found that it is possible to get some fairly usable drum sounds out of Sound Blaster (O.K. I am using S.B. Pro)., using Voyetra. I got a fairly decent snare by transposing the F.M. sound down a couple of octaves, and then sampling. You'd be surprised at how it is possible to create good music out of really cheap equipment. A few months back, my band (67 Seconds) recorded a song that was composed primarily out of a looped sample of our keyboardist banging on a bunch of empty coffee cans and mechano pieces that I'd brought over. Afterwards we simply overdubbed some patches off a Juno 106, but the dominant sound was from the loop. By the way, I noticed that you worked for Teleglobe. Do you know my father, Barry Lichtman? If anyone is interested, I used to do some Kraftwerkish sounding music in MOD format. I may still have copies somewhere and I'd be glad so send anybody a copy. I'm also thinking of marketing some of my band's music, but I still have to discuss that with the other members. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 10:52:46 -0700 Subject: My bootleg opinions...(no, not moral, just quality...) Really-From: Mike Henderson >>>Eric>>> The only live CD I have is "N1 to Zurich", which although reportedly is the best bootleg, is not available here. Are any of these other bootlegs worth getting? (especially at US$69.97 ?!?!?!) >>>>>> Here are the 3 I've heard: Virtu Ex Machina - EXCELLENT quality. It is soundboard and it shows. I thought this was terrific. Especially after my first two Kraftwerk bootlegs were so bad. It's a good concert, too -- Ralf is pretty, uh, energetic. Rebuilt in Ninety-Two -- I have both disc 1 and disc 2. The Live portion is pretty poor quality -- not bad, but I generally dislike audience recordings. It's very listenable, but has poor dynamic range, and some of the sounds are too quiet. Disc 2 has a few Razormaid mixes which are good, and one studio outtake which is a good listen. Live in Brixton Academy - Utter crap. This is obviously a 'mono tape recorder in the shirt pocket of a guy in the last row' recording. Ug. Myq ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 16:09:26 -0500 Subject: Re: My bootleg opinions...(no, not moral, just quality...) Really-From: JFI333@aol.com What year is that Virtu Ex Machina bootleg from? Is it just RH & FS with those recent anonymous members? Or the classic lineup? Thanks, John Isham-Akron, OH ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 02:22:03 -0500 Subject: Re: digest Really-From: Scorbie@aol.com I would prefer to receive my mail in digest form if possible. Thank you , Scorbie ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #182 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #183 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 8 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 183 TDF to be single Mix 2 -delayed release *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Re: My bootleg opinions...(no, not moral, just quality...) Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Re: Mix 2 -delayed release Re: re: Kraftwerk bootlegs confiscated Re: re: Kraftwerk bootlegs confiscated Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Re: digest Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 95 11:17:00 PST Subject: TDF to be single Really-From: GAZE Brian TDF will still be the lead single to promote the Mix 2. Apparently in the UK it will be available in different formats, and versions, with a new techno-ambient re-mix of Transe Europe Express appearing on the B side. A limited edition scratch and sniff version has also been suggested. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 95 11:14:00 PST Subject: Mix 2 -delayed release Really-From: GAZE Brian The samples which I am making available have been received from my contact who I spoke of earlier. He / She has also supplied me some information which may be of interest to you. Apparently The Mix 2 is scheduled for public release in the first 6 months of this year. Originally it was to be released in the autumn of 94, with TDF been released to promote it. It has been said that the band were unhappy with the material, and went back to the studio to do further remixing, therefore the release was delayed. I am not sure if the samples I have are from the original planned release, or whether they are the latest efforts of k-werks remixing. Rumours are also rife that k-werk plan/ are to do an album of cover versions. Songs to be covered apparently include Stairway to Heaven, Touched by the hand of God, I want to be a European (Flock of Seagulls). This is supposed to be appearing later in 95. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 95 11:05:00 PST Subject: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Really-From: GAZE Brian I have finally received the samples of the new material which I posted information on before Christmas. If anybody wants to receive them I will post them directly - INSTANTLY. Please note - I WILL NOT be posting them to the list. The samples are on the large size 0.3, and 0.5 Meg (tdf-95, and CW-95). They are in PC WAV format. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:30:16 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Really-From: > > Really-From: GAZE Brian > > > I have finally received the samples of the new material which I posted > information on before Christmas. If anybody wants to receive them I will > post them directly - INSTANTLY. > > Please note - I WILL NOT be posting them to the list. The samples are on the > large size 0.3, and 0.5 Meg (tdf-95, and CW-95). They are in PC WAV format. > Hi! - --- I would be very happy if you could mail me the samples. - -anders - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 09:42 EST Subject: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Really-From: dvrt@passport.ca (Dave Rout) i would like the samples emailed to me please :) thanks ! dave ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:53:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" I'd like the samples you mentioned. Thanks - ------------------------------------////-------------------------------------- Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/100HD 030/882/5Mb 50Mhz 401 Euclid Ave //// makes A2286 & VGA 100MB HD Syracuse N.Y. 13210 \\\\//// it A2230 Flickerfixer gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\///possible! AmigaD0S 3.1 - -------------------------------\\//----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 08:41:51 -0700 Subject: Re: My bootleg opinions...(no, not moral, just quality...) Really-From: Mike Henderson >What year is that Virtu Ex Machina bootleg from? Is it just RH & FS with >those recent anonymous members? Or the classic lineup? > >Thanks, > >John Isham-Akron, OH Virtu Ex Machina is from the 1981 ComputerWelt tour. It was taped in Tokyo. It is the normal Florian, Ralf, Wolfgang, Karl lineup. Some great extended versions of their tunes. It's around 73 minutes if my brain remembers it correctly. Mike ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 95 17:10:45 +0100 Subject: Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Really-From: Keseru Imre Hi, Would you mail me the samples too? Thanks a lot, Imi h330513@huszeg11.bitnet ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:45:35 GMT+3:00 Subject: Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Really-From: "V.Grebenic" > > Really-From: GAZE Brian > > > I have finally received the samples of the new material which I posted > information on before Christmas. If anybody wants to receive them I will > post them directly - INSTANTLY. > > Please note - I WILL NOT be posting them to the list. The samples are on the > large size 0.3, and 0.5 Meg (tdf-95, and CW-95). They are in PC WAV format. > me too !!! Please mail to grebenic@cs.msu.su Thanks. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 14:37:48 EST Subject: Re: Mix 2 -delayed release Really-From: Eduardo Marcel Macan > >Rumours are also rife that k-werk plan/ are to do an album of cover >versions. Songs to be covered apparently include Stairway to Heaven, Touched >by the hand of God, I want to be a European (Flock of Seagulls). This is >supposed to be appearing later in 95. > Oh, well... I would like it much more if they were making music to be covered by others... I hope this covers (if they ever are released) at least sound like the pre-MIX Kraftwerk... for my pleasure and health sake (yes, I said health, I have some friends that would kill *me* if Kraftwerk carves a dance music out of Starway to Heaven :) ) Well, a New "MIX" or cover album is infinitely better than no album though. By the way I am working on making MIDI files of KW songs, soon I will have some available, If anyone is interested, just mail me, ok? Tchau! Eduardo. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eduardo Marcel Macan Computer Engineering - 1992 macan@dcc.unicamp.br State UNIversity of CAMPinas, Brazil << umop apisdn w,I >> http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~macan - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 20:22:53 +0200 Subject: Re: re: Kraftwerk bootlegs confiscated Really-From: l23140@keynes.iseg.utl.pt The bad thing about WIN95 is that in order to maintain old users as clients Microsoft had to maintain old things (rumour is that WIN95 wokrs under a optimized MsDos ......) Bye now. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 20:19:33 +0200 Subject: Re: re: Kraftwerk bootlegs confiscated Really-From: l23140@keynes.iseg.utl.pt Tip of the day: FORGET WIN95 (or may WIN96). OS/2 WARP is THE thing!!!! i'd love to get the .wav file you mentioned. How can I (all the others) get\ it? regards. PS: I don't belong to IBM. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:00:40 -0500 Subject: Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com Re: Mix 2 samples-any way to post them in a format for us Mac users? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:50:43 GMT+800 Subject: Re: digest Really-From: "Steve Berney" I would prefer to receive my mail in digest form if possible. Thank you Steve ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:49:37 GMT+800 Subject: Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Really-From: "Steve Berney" I would like the samples emailed to me please :) thank you Steve ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 23:15:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Really-From: Ra On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > information on before Christmas. If anybody wants to receive them I will > post them directly - INSTANTLY. Sounds good. Please E-Mail them to me when you get a chance. Thanks! :) /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | I am not an atomic playboy! | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #183 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #184 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 9 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 184 Receipt of 3/8/95 10:49AM message Receipt of 3/8/95 10:50AM message Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Tour de France Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: cariari.ucr.sc.cr: host not found) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 09:16:47 CdT Subject: Receipt of 3/8/95 10:49AM message Really-From: andrewm Re:Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 09:16:48 CdT Subject: Receipt of 3/8/95 10:50AM message Really-From: andrewm Re:Re: digest ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 21:30:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: *** - MIX 2 - *** - Samples Available NOW!!!!! Really-From: Kevin Busby > techno-ambient re-mix of Transe Europe Express appearing on the B side. A > limited edition scratch and sniff version has also been suggested. > I have finally received the samples of the new material which I posted > information on before Christmas. If anybody wants to receive them I will > post them directly - INSTANTLY. Well since nearly everyone else believes this it must be who is mad, I suppose (that is how things work, right? ;-) ). Of course, if scratch & sniff samples are included I shall throw all caution to the wind and join the queue. :-) Waving, not flaming, Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:36:32 -0500 Subject: Tour de France Really-From: MoogBoy@aol.com Has anyone ever seen "Tour De France" on CD (not a live bootleg but the actual studio recording)? If so where can I get one? Does anyone have or can anyone get a copy of the unreleased album "TechnoPop?" Please reply to me directly. Thanks! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 03:20:39 GMT Subject: Really-From: steve.crippen@kaos.mustang.com (Steve Crippen) - -> If anyone is interested, I used to do some Kraftwerkish sound - -> in MOD format. I may still have copies somewhere and I'd be glad so s - -> anybody a copy. I'm also thinking of marketing some of my band's musi - -> still have to discuss that with the other members. Any chance of sending it up to an FTP site? Steve ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 17:39:13 +0500 Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: cariari.ucr.sc.cr: host not found) Really-From: seharley@vt.edu (Sean Harley) >To: kraftwerk@tcp.com >From: seharley@vt.edu (Sean Harley) >Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: cariari.ucr.sc.cr: host not found) > >>Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 06:45:55 -0500 >>From: Mail Delivery Subsystem >>Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: cariari.ucr.sc.cr: host not found) >>To: >> >>The original message was received at Wed, 8 Mar 1995 06:45:48 -0500 >>from sbarnes.async.vt.edu [128.173.150.54] >> >> ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- >> (unrecoverable error) >> >> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>550 ... Host unknown (Name server: cariari.ucr.sc.cr: host not found) >> >> ----- Original message follows ----- >>Received: from sbarnes.async.vt.edu by holodeck.cc.vt.edu with SMTP >> (8.6.10/16.2) id GAA07436; Wed, 8 Mar 1995 06:45:48 -0500 >>Return-Path: >>X-Sender: seharley@mail.vt.edu >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 06:39:19 +0500 >>To: ryulo@cariari.ucr.sc.cr >>From: seharley@vt.edu (Sean Harley) >>Subject: videos >>X-Mailer: >> >> I'm interested in the psb performance and videography. i have >>all the nin videos-including the uncut version of closer >>the nin concert in miami with mariyln manson on the november 20 of 94 >>kmfdm-live in dallas-1-28-90 >>interviwe90 >>more and faster >>money >>vogue >>adrug against war >>also-new order, front line assembly, moby,prodigy and 808state >> >> >> > ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #184 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #185 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 10 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 185 KW mod music Peter Paracelcus Stuff test message... New saleslist ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:44:21 +0200 (EET) Subject: KW mod music Really-From: Jouko Antero Huhtala HI! Somebody asked about Kraftwerk in MOD-format. Actually I have made one piece, a medley of some songs in Electric Cafe. It is in S3M format (Scream Tracker 3) and it could be found in ftp.uwp.edu, /pub/music/artists/k/kraftwerk/misc. Hope you like it! - -- Jouko Huhtala, E-mail: jhuhtala@alpha.hut.fi ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:28:50 GMT+0 Subject: Peter Paracelcus Stuff Really-From: "C.M.WEBER" Really-From: C.M.Weber@UCLAN.AC.UK Can anybody give me any further details about Peter Paracelcus? I got hold of his Satanic Techno CD not long ago and he uses a fair amount of Kraftwerk/Laibach samples. One song also sounds a bit too similar to Death Path by Mussolini Headkick. Chris ;^) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 13:13:01 +0100 (NFT) Subject: test message... Really-From: 1 2 3 4 - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:44:54 +0100 (MET) Subject: New saleslist Really-From: bombuzal Hello Kraftwerk Collectors, In a few weeks I will have a new saleslist available. This list will contain lots of interesting CDs, like the first albums on CD, many live CDs, and a lot of vinyl items. If you are interested in this list, please mail to : bombuzal@xs4all.nl Bye. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #185 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #186 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 11 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 186 Kraftwerk CDs and LPs for sale Re: Kraftwerk CDs and LPs for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:40:27 MEZ Subject: Kraftwerk CDs and LPs for sale Really-From: Arnulf Striepecke Hi, ONLY reply to me privately, please. I.e. Arnulf@geo.uni-bonn.de Thanks I have Kraftwerk CD's and LP's for sale. And 4 other things. I'm willing to sell if you make serious offers. Negotiate, if you want to. Kraftwerk 1 LP GE 1970 Philips 6305 058 gatefold cover VG/VG- Kraftwerk 2 LP GE 1972 Philips 6305 117 gatefold cover M-/VG+ Ralf & Florian LP FR 1973 Philips 9118 004 VG+/VG- Autobahn LP GE 1974 Philips/Fontana Special 6434 348 "Poplions" M/VG+ CD GE 1985 EMI CDP 564 7 46153 2 Doppelalbum (official best of compilation) 2LP GE 1974 Philips 6623 057 gatefold cover VG+/M- Radio-Aktivit"at (German) LP GE 1975 Kling Klang 062-82 087 with stickers M/M CD GE 1985 EMI CDP 564-7 46132 2 Radio-Activity (English) LP NL 1975 Capitol 1A 038 1575021 M/M Trans Europa Express (German) LP GE 1977 EMI 1C 064-82 306 b/w cover, with poster M/M CD GE 1985 EMI CDP 564-7 46133 2 Trans Europe Express (English) LP NL 1977 Capitol 1A 038 15 7587 1 color cover M/M Trans Europe Express (English) CD Single CD5 US 1990 Capitol C2-15620 "Capitol Gold Cuts" - Classic Capitol Dance TraX Die Mensch Maschine (German) LP GE 1978 Klingklang 1C 058-32 843 M/M CD GE 1985 EMI CDP 564-7 46131 2 The Man Machine (English) CD UK 1985 Capitol 46039 2 Computerwelt (German) LP NL 1981 EMI 1C 064-46 311 VG+/VG CD GE 198? EMI CDP 564 7 46130 2 Computer World (English) CD US 1985 Elektra (Warner Brothers?) 3549-2 Electric Cafe (German) LP NL EMI 1C 064 24 06541 gatefold cover w/sticker "Deutsche Version" on cover M/M CD GE EMI CDP 564-7 46420 2 Electric Cafe (English) CD UK EMI CDP 7 46416-2 The Robots CD Single CD5 UK 1991 EMI CDEM 192 (LC 0542/2043582) (Red text, Black Box) Die Roboter CD Single CD5 WG 1991 EMI 1C 560-2 04325 2 The Mix 2LP UK 1991 EMI 1C 164-7 96650 1 gatefold cover M/M CD NL 1991 EMI 79 6671 2 UK: CDEM 1408 The Mix (German) CD GE 1991 EMI 1C 568-7 96650 2 Radioactivitaet (CD Single) CD5 GE 1991 EMI 1C 560-2 04516 2 Neue Kraft Boot 2LP Boot Picture LPs, live Copenhagen 24.10.1991 M/- Return of the Mensch-Maschine 2LP Boot, Live Bologna 7.2.1990, FOC 1000 copies M/M - ------------------------------- Non Kraftwerk: Palatine - The Factory Story 1979-1990 (Factory label anniversary compilation) 4CD UK 1990(1?) Facd 400 in box with booklet H"usker D"u - Eight Miles High/Makes No Sense At All LP 10inch purple vinyl CAN 1990 SST 915 M/M Talk Talk - Living In Another World LP 12inch Maxi Single UK Parlaphone 12R 6282 w/limited edition print of original illustration M/M Siouxsie & The Banshees Twice Upon A Time 2LP UK 1992 Polydor M/M - -- "Ich habe erkannt, dass die traditionelle Form des Omelette (Eier und K"ase) bourgeois ist. Heute habe ich versucht, eines aus Zigaretten, etwas Kaffee und vier kleinen Steinen zu machen. Habe es Malraux zu kosten gegeben. Er r"ulpste..." Free Agent, Portland, Kochbuch von Jean-Paul Sartre - ---------------------------------------------------------- Arnulf Striepecke Institute for Geodynamics Buschstrasse 4 Nussallee 8 53113 Bonn, Germany 53115 Bonn, Germany Voice: (49) 228 221573 (49) 228 73-7449 e-mail: Arnulf@geo.uni-bonn.de - ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:09:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk CDs and LPs for sale Really-From: Derek Jordan On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Arnulf Striepecke > > Hi, > ONLY reply to me privately, please. > I.e. Arnulf@geo.uni-bonn.de > Thanks > > I have Kraftwerk CD's and LP's for sale. And 4 other things. > I'm willing to sell if you make serious offers. > Negotiate, if you want to. > I'm just going to put asterisks by the ones i'm interested in to make it a little easier to read. I am here in America, so let me know your price in marks & Dollars so I can figure out if I can afford it... Thanks Derek Jordan 'djordan@lnxland1.Denver.Colorado.EDU' > **Kraftwerk 1 > **LP GE 1970 Philips 6305 058 gatefold cover VG/VG- > > **Kraftwerk 2 > **LP GE 1972 Philips 6305 117 gatefold cover M-/VG+ > > **Ralf & Florian > **LP FR 1973 Philips 9118 004 VG+/VG- > > Autobahn > LP GE 1974 Philips/Fontana Special 6434 348 "Poplions" M/VG+ > CD GE 1985 EMI CDP 564 7 46153 2 > > **Doppelalbum (official best of compilation) > **2LP GE 1974 Philips 6623 057 gatefold cover VG+/M- > > Radio-Aktivit"at (German) > LP GE 1975 Kling Klang 062-82 087 with stickers M/M > CD GE 1985 EMI CDP 564-7 46132 2 > > Radio-Activity (English) > LP NL 1975 Capitol 1A 038 1575021 M/M > > Trans Europa Express (German) > LP GE 1977 EMI 1C 064-82 306 b/w cover, with poster M/M > CD GE 1985 EMI CDP 564-7 46133 2 > > Trans Europe Express (English) > LP NL 1977 Capitol 1A 038 15 7587 1 color cover M/M > > Trans Europe Express (English) CD Single > CD5 US 1990 Capitol C2-15620 "Capitol Gold Cuts" - Classic Capitol Dance TraX > > Die Mensch Maschine (German) > LP GE 1978 Klingklang 1C 058-32 843 M/M > CD GE 1985 EMI CDP 564-7 46131 2 > > The Man Machine (English) > CD UK 1985 Capitol 46039 2 > > Computerwelt (German) > LP NL 1981 EMI 1C 064-46 311 VG+/VG > CD GE 198? EMI CDP 564 7 46130 2 > > Computer World (English) > CD US 1985 Elektra (Warner Brothers?) 3549-2 > > **Electric Cafe (German) > **LP NL EMI 1C 064 24 06541 gatefold cover w/sticker "Deutsche Version" on cover M/M > CD GE EMI CDP 564-7 46420 2 > > Electric Cafe (English) > CD UK EMI CDP 7 46416-2 > > The Robots CD Single > CD5 UK 1991 EMI CDEM 192 (LC 0542/2043582) (Red text, Black Box) > > Die Roboter CD Single > CD5 WG 1991 EMI 1C 560-2 04325 2 > > The Mix > 2LP UK 1991 EMI 1C 164-7 96650 1 gatefold cover M/M > CD NL 1991 EMI 79 6671 2 UK: CDEM 1408 > > The Mix (German) > CD GE 1991 EMI 1C 568-7 96650 2 > > Radioactivitaet (CD Single) > CD5 GE 1991 EMI 1C 560-2 04516 2 > > Neue Kraft Boot > 2LP Boot Picture LPs, live Copenhagen 24.10.1991 M/- > > Return of the Mensch-Maschine > **2LP Boot, Live Bologna 7.2.1990, FOC 1000 copies M/M > > ------------------------------- > Non Kraftwerk: > > Palatine - The Factory Story 1979-1990 (Factory label anniversary compilation) > 4CD UK 1990(1?) Facd 400 in box with booklet > > H"usker D"u - Eight Miles High/Makes No Sense At All > LP 10inch purple vinyl CAN 1990 SST 915 M/M > > Talk Talk - Living In Another World > LP 12inch Maxi Single UK Parlaphone 12R 6282 w/limited edition print of original illustration M/M > > Siouxsie & The Banshees Twice Upon A Time > 2LP UK 1992 Polydor M/M > > -- > "Ich habe erkannt, dass die traditionelle Form des Omelette (Eier und K"ase) > bourgeois ist. Heute habe ich versucht, eines aus Zigaretten, > etwas Kaffee und vier kleinen Steinen zu machen. > Habe es Malraux zu kosten gegeben. Er r"ulpste..." > Free Agent, Portland, > Kochbuch von Jean-Paul Sartre > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Arnulf Striepecke Institute for Geodynamics > Buschstrasse 4 Nussallee 8 > 53113 Bonn, Germany 53115 Bonn, Germany > Voice: (49) 228 221573 (49) 228 73-7449 > e-mail: Arnulf@geo.uni-bonn.de > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #186 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #187 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 12 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 187 Tour De France ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:54:03 -0500 Subject: Tour De France Really-From: MoogBoy@aol.com Has anyone ever seen Tour De France on CD? ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #187 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #188 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 13 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 188 Kraftwerk infobahr has moved Tour de France for Sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:50:33 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Kraftwerk infobahr has moved Really-From: Once more the Kraftwerk infobahr has moved (to a even faster diskarea). The new URL is http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk/ I would be happy if you could help me to notify users and sites with the old link. Thanks for all support and help! /anders - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 95 10:42:35 CST Subject: Tour de France for Sale Really-From: woody I have a "Tour de France" US promo 12" single for sale. If you're interested, I need a minimum bid of $15. This auction will close on Wednesday, March 15th. Please send all bids to Woody at: c562611@mizzou1.missouri.edu Looking forward to the responses. Woody ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #188 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #189 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 14 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 189 re:Information on the new Kraftwerk albums ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 14:11:11 +0100 Subject: re:Information on the new Kraftwerk albums Really-From: "Amerongen A.J." Hello! I haven't been around for a while and I picked up some references in this list on new albums of Kraftwerk in the making. What exactly is going on? A new 'mix' album and a real new album? Aart-Jan. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #189 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #190 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 15 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 190 X-Mailer: WinPMail v1.0 (R2) Laibach ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 15:14:38 GMT+0 Subject: X-Mailer: WinPMail v1.0 (R2) Really-From: "C.M.WEBER" Anybody know when "Bravo" by Laibach is going to be released, or is it already now on release in the UK? On the subject of Laibach is there a dedicated Laibach mailing list? Chris ;^) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 09:51:38 GMT-0600 Subject: Laibach Really-From: jpunaro@next-hgo.hgo.itesm.mx ( Jorge Punaro) Hola Chris, Laibach is one of my fave groups, I have all the stuff they released on Mute to date, but I never heard about "Bravo" can you give me details about it? What I know about new releases is that their next sgl. ("In the Army Now/War") is suposed to be out in march/april. As far I know there is not a Laibach mailing list, but in the Mute BBS (mutelibtech.com) there is a forum to discuss about the group. Saludos Jorge ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #190 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #191 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 16 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 191 boing boom tschak - the lyrics RE: boing boom tschak - the lyrics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:28:15 +0100 (MET) Subject: boing boom tschak - the lyrics Really-From: Tobias Benjamin Koehler boing boom tschak boing boom tschak boing boom tschak boing peng boom tschak peng boing peng boom tschak peng boing peng boom tschak peng boing peng boom tschak peng boing peng boom tschak peng boing peng boom tschak peng boing peng boom tschak tschatschak tschak boing peng boom tschak tschatschak tschak boing peng boom tschak tschatschak tschak music non stop techno pop music non stop techno pop boing peng boom tschak bbboing bboing boing peng boom tschak bbboing bboing boing peng boom tschak pppeng ppeng boing peng boom tschak bbboing bboing boing peng boom tschak bbboing bboing boing peng boom tschak bbboing bboing boing peng boom tschak bbboing bboing boom boom ...... zong boing peng boom tschak bboing peng boing peng boom tschak boing boing boing peng boom tschak boom boom boing peng boom tschak boom boing boing tschak boom tschak tschak boing peng boom tschak boboing boing peng boom tschak bboing peng boom boom ...... boing boing peng boom tschak tschak peng boing peng boom tschak beep beep boing peng boom tschak psst psst boing peng boom tschak zzzong boing peng boom tschak zong zong boing peng boom tschak tschak peng, boing peng boom tschak zzzzong boing peng boom tschak ppppeng boing peng boom tschak tschak tschak tschak boing peng boom tschak bbboing bboing boing peng boom tschak bbboing boing boing peng boom tschak boing peng boing peng boom tschak bbboing peng boing peng boom tschak boing boing boing peng boom tschak boom peng boing ...... zong boing peng boom tschak peng boing peng boom tschak tschak tschak tschak boing peng boom tschak bbboing peng boing peng boom tschak bbboing boing boing peng boom tschak bbboing boing peng boom tschak tschak boing boing peng boom tschak boom boing boing ...... zong - -- _)\_ _..--'O"o\-. tobias benjamin koehler /e ,`--o'O o O' 0 o|.`o-._ <_, ; o 0 o" O "_.\ o( `-._o``--..___..-o') s_tbk@ira.uka.de --' `, o/,--''' _/O,'; ``-o..o___o--'' unci @ trails _,'o,'/ (,.'-' unci_narynin @ furrymuck (,.-'-' pic: felix lee unci @ sociopolitical ramifications ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 16:41:31 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: boing boom tschak - the lyrics Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." Thanks Tobias! I printed the lyrics out in a large, bold font and put them up by My Mac. I love the puzzled looks on people's faces when they see it and ask what the hell it is. Lon ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #191 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #192 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 17 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 192 Re: boing boom tschak - the lyrics Re: boing boom tschak - the lyrics RE: boing boom tschak - the lyrics ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 11:04:58 +0100 Subject: Re: boing boom tschak - the lyrics Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) >Really-From: Tobias Benjamin Koehler [snip] Great work Tobias! Btw. are these the lyrics of the German or the English version? :-) (mw) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:43:48 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: boing boom tschak - the lyrics Really-From: Tobias Benjamin Koehler > Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) > Great work Tobias! Btw. are these the lyrics of the German or the English > version? :-) I think the German version, is there anything else? toby - -- _)\_ _..--'O"o\-. tobias benjamin koehler /e ,`--o'O o O' 0 o|.`o-._ <_, ; o 0 o" O "_.\ o( `-._o``--..___..-o') s_tbk@ira.uka.de --' `, o/,--''' _/O,'; ``-o..o___o--'' unci @ trails _,'o,'/ (,.'-' unci_narynin @ furrymuck (,.-'-' pic: felix lee unci @ sociopolitical ramifications ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:45:01 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: boing boom tschak - the lyrics Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." Now, the question is who is brave enough (or sick enough) type out the lyrics to the version of Boing Boom Tschak on 'The Mix'? Lon _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #192 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #193 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 18 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 193 Ralf und Florian ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 95 11:06:37 CST Subject: Ralf und Florian Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com A friend of mine recently taped his CD copy of Ralf und Florian for me and I really like it. Does anyone know of other similar stuff (by KW or otherwise) that they would recommend? ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #193 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #194 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 19 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 194 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #193 == No Subject == ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 07:24:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #193 Really-From: terry kroetsch f can someone one tell me exactly how to unsubscribe? I've tried everything ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 95 19:54 GMT Subject: == No Subject == Really-From: spride@cix.compulink.co.uk (Simon Pride) > Subject: Ralf und Florian > > Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com > > A friend of mine recently taped his CD copy of Ralf und Florian > for me and I really like it. Does anyone know of other similar > stuff (by KW or otherwise) that they would recommend? > The nearest to that sort of musik is exempified by the German band Cluster (Hans-Joachim Roedelius and "Mobi" Moebius) - I would direct you in the first instance to their album "Sowieso" (German for "so-so" or "OK"), and also "Grosses Wasser" (big water, big lake etc, but has a double meaning of "heavy water" in the nuclear sense). Simon Pride ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #194 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #195 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 20 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 195 unsubscribe New Kraftwerk Bootleg ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 13:40:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: unsubscribe Really-From: "C. David Holloway" unsubscribe Dave cdh1@ra.msstate.edu ***signature file under construction*** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 20:53:57 +0000 Subject: New Kraftwerk Bootleg ? Really-From: Traviss Willcox I've come across a Kraftwerk bootleg - Toccata Electronica - dated 1995 that I've not heard of or seen before. Contains mostly remixes and a couple of live tracks, quality is generally pretty good. Does anyone have any information on this ?, there are no sleeve notes, just a couple of German phrases at the top of the back cover. Could this be one of the "confiscated" bootlegs mentioned recently ? Traviss ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #195 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #196 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 21 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 196 What's that CD? Re: == No Subject == (Cluster) Re: Ralf und Florian Kraftwerk books (esp. re equipment) re: Kraftwerk homeade music Sv: kraftwerk-digest V2 #195 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:54:02 +0200 (METDST) Subject: What's that CD? Really-From: Kjell Elgsaas Hi all! Does anybody know anything about this Kraftwerk release: Kraftwerk: Three Originals (3 CD box) I saw it in a norwegian CDstore's catalogue. Kjell ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 09:52:36 CST Subject: Re: == No Subject == (Cluster) Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com Thanks for the recommendation, although I do have to correct your German. Sowieso actually means "in any case, anyhow, anyway, as it is" according to my dictionary. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 20 Mar 95 14:31:10 EST Subject: Re: Ralf und Florian Really-From: Jonathan.Jones@bbc.co.uk(Jonathan Jones) If any one knows of this released in the UK could they tell me where to get a copy JJ:) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 14:22:18 CST Subject: Kraftwerk books (esp. re equipment) Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com Does anyone know of any books about Kraftwerk that deal with the kind of equipment they use? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 20 MAR 95 17:14:53 EST Subject: re: Kraftwerk homeade music Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Sorry Aaron about "Anders"my mistake. But i do have your address right:) Philip ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 20 Mar 1995 22:47:28 GMT Subject: Sv: kraftwerk-digest V2 #195 Really-From: martin.rundqvist@sting.dextel.se (Martin Rundqvist) help index kraftwerk-digest which kraftwerk-digest ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #196 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #197 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 22 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 197 Re: Kraftwerk books (esp. re equipment) Interviews ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 18:49:46 +0200 (METDST) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk books (esp. re equipment) Really-From: Kjell Elgsaas > Does anyone know of any books about Kraftwerk that deal with the kind > of equipment they use? Such a book would have to be full of block diagrams, as the Kraftwerk boys build their own synthesizers and various other gear. I wouldn't think they wanted anyone to know how to build similar equipment, anyway. But, we can always hope... Kjell ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 21 MAR 95 19:40:47 EST Subject: Interviews Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA I had a friend print some of the interviews with Ralph from the wonderful infobahr; since I still only have email access. In these interviews, Ralph puts me off when he talks of Kraftwerk not trying to be rock stars. The fact that his face is on almost every album cover contadicts this. They really pushed an Image. If he really wanted to attain total secracy then he should have made Joy division/Early New Order like Album covers and not have done any interviews. Just the fact that I saw these interviews has tainted the idealistic pillars that I had placed these guys upon. He's just too self conscious for my liking. Their "8 hour work days of music experimentation" seem to be quite unproductive so I find fact difficult to accept. And all of the car analogies!!! An album every decade is like a gas efficiency of 0.00000001km/l!! Buy a new car? I think that Kraftwerk should do only music and no interviews. And this multimedia stuff. Why not focus energy on their music. Leave the special effects and "concepts" for Pink Floyd. A simultainiously linked concert in which data is transmitted over high speed circuits to multi destinations would be cool and get them "appropriate" media attention. Say a concert in Paris, Munich, New York and Tokyo at the same time with one member/helper? at each site and the whole thing synced. If Kraftwerk have goals then they should be along these lines. And why not disclose some of their older techniques for the recording of past music. No secracy is needed here. THis is the data which most of us seek. BTW: I often wondered why "Cmdr DATA" of Star Trek NTG never came across Kraftwerk? He tries to be human yet these humans seem to want to be robots :) Philip ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #197 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #198 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 23 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 198 Mix 2 samples!!!!! Mix 2 samples!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 19:56:48 +0100 (MET) Subject: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: Lars Nellemann HI A while ago cs0bga@cis.sund.ac.uk promised us samples from the forthcomming Mix 2 kraftwerk album - I never received my samples, did anybody recieve anything - or is he full of shit? Personally I don't believe in a Mix 2 album - I think that's a bit low for a band in Kraftwerks League. Nor do I believe that Kraftwerk are working on a tribute album with covers of Led Zeppelin and New Order - although the ladder would be very interesting. Anyway if they were to release a mix2 - I guess i would be far more interesting if they were remixed by others - and not themself. I would like to hear The Orb remix Autobahn - The Grid Do The Model, Fluke could reconstruct radioactivity etc etc. I was also promised Krafwerk Midi files by Macan@dcc.uni.camp.br but never recieved any - has anybody received them ? - although KW Midi files is somewhat easier to belive than a new album. Lars - -- ***************************************** * Lars Nellemann * * University of Copenhagen * * Copenhagen, Denmark * * nelleman@biobase.dk * * FAX: +45 3532 6120 * ***************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 13:34:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > A while ago cs0bga@cis.sund.ac.uk promised us samples from the > forthcomming Mix 2 kraftwerk album - I never received my samples, did > anybody recieve anything - or is he full of shit? *ding* - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: http://rt66.com/lazlo/ features Discographies, Record ::: Collecting Resources, The Internet Music Wantlists, and more. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #198 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #199 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 24 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 199 RE: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Re: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Re: *ding* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:00:51 BST Subject: RE: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: Shane J Wims >A while ago cs0bga@cis.sund.ac.uk promised us samples from the >forthcomming Mix 2 kraftwerk album - I never received my samples, >did anybody recieve anything - or is he full of shit? Alas, it was a hoax. Brian Gaze has a wierd sense of humour! Don't you brian? >Nor do I believe that Kraftwerk >are working on a tribute album with covers of Led Zeppelin and >New Order - although the ladder would be very interesting. Well lets face it, scratch and sniff?? come on!! A KW cover of Led Zeppelin? Oh please, what a horrible thought. Brian is full of it! - -shane j ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:35:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: Richard Ingram > Really-From: Lars Nellemann > > HI > > A while ago cs0bga@cis.sund.ac.uk promised us samples from the > forthcomming Mix 2 kraftwerk album - I never received my samples, > did anybody recieve anything - or is he full of shit? I fear you could be correct, I have not got them yet either, I think s/he was pulling a fast one. Rich. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 08:39:32 EST Subject: Re: *ding* Really-From: richard@dgbt.doc.ca (Richard Paiement) >> A while ago cs0bga@cis.sund.ac.uk promised us samples from the >> forthcomming Mix 2 kraftwerk album - I never received my samples, did >> anybody recieve anything - or is he full of shit? > >*ding* This sund.ac.uk site was the source of all the noise concerning Mix 2 just before Christmas. *double ding* Richard Paiement ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #199 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #200 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 25 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 200 Sv: Re: *ding* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 24 Mar 1995 20:28:41 GMT Subject: Sv: Re: *ding* Really-From: martin.rundqvist@sting.dextel.se (Martin Rundqvist) Ehh.. Hello!!! I just wondering if sombody know where I can get cool KW stuff (musique related and Images) by E-Mail... Pleeeeease help me. /Bishop We are the robots, and we are different ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 11:56:26 -0800 Subject: Really-From: Henry Maia subscribe ecoscoutnews@ax.apc.org ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #200 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #201 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 26 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 201 mix2 samples MIDI FILES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 13:56:37 +0500 Subject: mix2 samples Really-From: seharley@vt.edu (Sean Harley) can someone send me the mix2 samples please-thanks ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 26 MAR 95 02:02:46 EST Subject: MIDI FILES Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA I finally found some time to start Digitizing Kraftwerk songs into MIDI format. I've decided to tackle the Computer World album first. Unfortunately this is a daunting task. After 4 hours of work I've managed to Midize the first minute of the song Computer World. (Now I know why KW albums take so long to make) All of the intertwined "chippy" sequences played deep in the mix are very difficult to discern however with lots of patients, it is possible. When I finish this song I will be glad to send it to anyone wanting it. I am composing it around the General Midi FM synth engine of a SoundBlaster type sound card but anyone with MIDI knowledge can easily adapt the data to other synth engines. I invite anyone else to join in. Eduardo Macan of Brazil is hard at work on some songs from TEE and MM. Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #201 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #202 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 27 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 202 Re: Kraftwerk books (esp. re equipment) Re: RE: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Re: Sv: Re: *ding* Re: MIDI FILES Re: Sv: Re: *ding* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 13:45:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk books (esp. re equipment) Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com I've never seen such a book, but various references appear from time to time on this bulletin board. (On the "Computerwelt" album you can see a bank of Morley pedals behind them.) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 13:54:30 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com An album of Kraftwerk doing Led Zep covers? Does sound implausible, doesn't it? In fact, I think an album of Hank Williams covers would be more likely! Or Abba? Or the Burt Bacharach/Hal David songbook! How about, "Billy Don't Be A Hero" by Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods? Or, "It's Not Unusual"? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 13:59:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Sv: Re: *ding* Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com GO into www.wit.com:/music (an ftp site at ftp.uwp.edu, if I'm not mistaken). Go to the file "k", then "kraftwerk," then "pictures." You'll find what you're looking for! Also, has anyone tried to access the "http://www.cs.umu.se/dvlawm/kraftwerk site? I'm going to try to do it, but I don't know if I'll have success. Can anyone give me the exact set of commands to do so from a Mac? I noticed there is a "tilde" in the set of characters regarding the http site listed above (right before the "d" in "dvlawm"; I can't print that right now), is this necessary to get access? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 12:27:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: MIDI FILES Really-From: Ra On 26 Mar 1995, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > this is a daunting task. After 4 hours of work I've managed to Midize the > first minute of the song Computer World. (Now I know why KW albums take so > long to make) All of the intertwined "chippy" sequences played deep in the > mix are very difficult to discern however with lots of patients, it is I've always wanted to do that myself, but I figured it would take time like that. Time is something I don't have enough of these days. :( > possible. When I finish this song I will be glad to send it to anyone > wanting it. I am composing it around the General Midi FM synth engine > of a SoundBlaster type sound card but anyone with MIDI knowledge can > easily adapt the data to other synth engines. Please do! Put my address on a list and send it to me when you get it done. I wish I could help out, but... /------------------------------------v------------------------------------\ | Soleil Lapierre | I am not an atomic playboy! | | Internet: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca | | | Fidonet: Soleil Lapierre, 1:134/40 | | \------------------------------------^------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 07:05:51 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Re: Sv: Re: *ding* Really-From: > > Really-From: Spotnik@aol.com > > GO into www.wit.com:/music (an ftp site at ftp.uwp.edu, if I'm not mistaken). > Go to the file "k", then "kraftwerk," then "pictures." You'll find what > you're looking for! > > Also, has anyone tried to access the "http://www.cs.umu.se/dvlawm/kraftwerk > site? I'm going to try to do it, but I don't know if I'll have success. Can > anyone give me the exact set of commands to do so from a Mac? I noticed there > is a "tilde" in the set of characters regarding the http site listed above > (right before the "d" in "dvlawm"; I can't print that right now), is this > necessary to get access? > Yes it is, but I also have another URL to the infobahr; http://www.cs.umu.se/studenter/kraftwerk/ then there is no need for a tilde-sign... /anders - Maintainer of Kraftwerk infobahr - 25 000 accesses / day - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #202 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #203 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 27 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 203 RE: mix2 samples Computerlove midi track Re: Computerlove midi track *WARNING* PLEASE READ AT LEAST THE FIRST PAGE! Re: MIDI FILES Re: MIDI files kraftwerk digest Re: RE: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Re: MIDI files Re: kraftwerk digest Re[3]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Re: Re[3]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Re: MIDI files Re: Re[3]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:33:47 BST Subject: RE: mix2 samples Really-From: Shane J Wims > can someone send me the mix2 samples please-thanks Sorry sean, it was a hoax - a figment of someones (pitiful) imagination. There are no mix2 samples! - -sjw ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:43:42 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Computerlove midi track Really-From: Lars Nellemann Hi all midi-freaks If you want a really good midi-file of Computerlove, then check out nic.funet.fi at the directory pub/sounds/midi/GMIDI The file is called song3.zip, and apart from the KW track there's a 808 State and a KLF track too. If you have trouble accessing or downloading the file contact me and I'll send you a uuencoded message of the zip-file. Later Lars - -- ***************************************** * Lars Nellemann * * University of Copenhagen * * Copenhagen, Denmark * * nelleman@biobase.dk * * FAX: +45 3532 6120 * ***************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:08:23 +0200 Subject: Re: Computerlove midi track Really-From: majortom@muc.de (mw) >Really-From: Lars Nellemann >If you want a really good midi-file of Computerlove, then check out > >nic.funet.fi at the directory pub/sounds/midi/GMIDI > Hi Lars. I got the file and it's great! Thanks a lot for the info...this is the first KW-Midi file I've ever seen. Did you do it yourself? If so, wow! The other tracks are nice too...with groove and all :-) Bye. (mw) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:50:50 -0500 Subject: *WARNING* PLEASE READ AT LEAST THE FIRST PAGE! Really-From: JMRosen@aol.com I picked this up in the White House forum on America Online and it is imperative that you read this, your freedom to use this bulletin board or any other form of electronic communication is likely to be dependent on it. ***Please read it, distribute it, and make your opinion heard. This is a very serious issue and will affect America's role in the world of the future*** Simply put, a couple of senators have proposed a particularly heinous piece of legislation titled the "Communications Decency Act of 1995" (Senate Bill S.314). Basically, the bill would subject all forms of electronic communication -- from public Internet postings to your most private email -- to government censorship. The effects of the bill onto the online industry would be devastating -- most colleges and private companies (AOL, Compuserve, etc.) would probably have to shut down or greatly restrict access, since they would be held criminally liable for the postings and email of private users. Obviously, this bill is designed to win votes for these senators among those who are fearful of the internet and aren't big fans of freedom of speech -- ie., those who are always trying to censor "pornography" and dirty books and such. Given the political climate in this country, this bill might just pass unless the computer community demonstrates its strength as a committed political force to be reckoned with. This, my friends, is why I have filled your mailbox with this very long message. A petition, to be sent to Congress, the President, and the media, has begun spreading through the Internet. It's easy to participate and be heard -- to sign it, you simply follow the instructions below -- which boil down to sending a quick email message to a certain address. That's all it takes to let your voice be heard. (You know, if the Internet makes democracy this accessible to the average citizen, is it any wonder Congress wants to censor it?) Finally, PLEASE forward this message to all your friends online. The more people sign the petition, the more the government will get the message to back off the online community. We've been doing fine without censorship until now -- let's show them we don't plan on allowing them to start now. If you value your freedoms -- from your right to publicly post a message on a worldwide forum to your right to receive private email without the government censoring it -- you need to take action NOW. It'll take fifteen minutes at the most, a small sacrifice considering the issues at hand. Remember, the age of fighting for liberty with muskets and shells is most likely over; the time has come where the keyboard and the phone line will prove mightier than the sword -- or the Senate, in this case. Yours in liberty, -don Here are instructions on signing the petition: 1. send an e-mail message to: S314-petition@netcom.com 2. the message (NOT the subject heading) should read as follows: SIGNED eg. SIGNED jmrosen@aol.com Joel M. Rosen YES 3. If you are interested in signing the petition, I would highly suggest investigating the details of the situation. You can find out more on the Web at http://www.wookie.net/~slowdog or in the newsgroup comp.org.eff.talk ================== Message Text Ends ==================== Take action! ======================= S.314 Analysis Starts ===================== ANALYSIS S.314, The Communications Decency Act of 1995 Introduced by Sen. Jim Exon (D.-NE) Prepared for the ELECTRONIC MESSAGING ASSOCIATION by James T. Bruce and Richard T. Pfohl Wiley, Rein & Fielding February 7, 1995 I. Summary On February 2, Sen. Jim Exon (D-NE) introduced S. 314, The Communications Decency Act of 1995. Sen. Exon's bill, which contains provisions intended to curtail transmission of obscene, indecent, or harassing telecommunications, is identical to an amendment to the Senate telecommunications deregulation legislation which died last fall with the conclusion of the 103rd Congress. Although ostensibly extending existing federal prohibitions on obscene or harassing telephone calls to other telecommunications devices, these provisions could greatly expand prohibited conduct and would potentially make employers, service providers, and carriers liable for transmission of restricted communications. The likelihood of passage of the telecommunications deregulation legislation in the current Congress and the likelihood that Sen. Exon will attempt to again attach his language to such a vehicle makes the potential passage of the Exon language quite plausible. II. Analysis Sen. Exon's interest in the issues addressed in S. 314 was reportedly spurred by reports of electronic stalking on the Internet. Sen. Exon stated upon introduction of the legislation on February 2, "I want to keep the Information Superhighway from resembling a red light district. This legislation will help stop those who electronically cruise the digital universe to engage children in inappropriate communications . . . or electronically stalk users of computer networks." The Exon bill would address obscenity on radio and cable television, but of particular interest to EMA members are Section 2, on obscene or harassing use of telecommunications facilities, and Section 5, which extends the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) to include digital communications. According to Sen. Exon's introductory statement, his legislation is intended to "extend and strengthen" the anti-harassment, decency, and anti-obscenity restrictions on telephone calls in current law to all telecommunications devices. The Exon bill would not, however, simply apply existing law to new telecommunications devices. Because of differences between existing telephone technology and telecommunications technology such as electronic messaging, the Exon bill would potentially prohibit a wide array of currently allowed electronic communications. Furthermore, the Exon bill would broaden existing law by subjecting transmitters, as well as the individuals who send obscene or harassing communications, to criminal liability. A. Restrictions on Nonconsensual Indecency and Harassment Current law, as codified in Sec. 223(a) of the Communications Act of 1934, prohibits any "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent" communications by telephone.0 (Communications Act of 1934, Sec. 223(a) (47 U.S.C. 223(a))). Sec. 223(a) also prohibits intentional harassment by telephone, including by anonymous calls, repeated hang-ups, or repeated harassing calls. (47 U.S.C. 223(a)(1)(A - D)). Finally, Sec. 223(a)(2) prohibits knowingly permitting a telephone facility under one's control to be used for such purposes. The courts have interpreted Sec. 223(a) narrowly to apply only to non-consensual or unsolicited telephone calls. The Exon bill would make two fundamental changes in existing Sec. 223(a), with potentially wide-ranging, and possibly unintended, consequences. First, the Exon bill expands the prohibitions on obscene or indecent or harassing telephone calls to communication by all telecommunications devices. Second, the Exon bill extends the prohibition against making obscene or indecent communications to "transmit[ting] or otherwise mak[ing] available" any such communication. (S. 314 Sec. 2(a) (emphasis added)). In addition, the Exon bill would raise the penalty for such violations from the current up to $50,000 or six months in prison, to up to $100,000 or two years in prison. (S. 314 Sec. 2(b)). The Exon bill provisions would have a number of consequences for electronic messaging. First, unless the court-created limitation on the scope of the Sec. 223(a) anti-obscenity and indecency provisions to nonconsensual telephone calls is applied as well to all telecommunications, the provision would prohibit all "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent" telecommunications, whether or not consensual. Services or carriers that transmit "or otherwise make[] available" such communications would be liable. Thus, the amended Communications Act would, on its face, prohibit indecent communications between consenting adults. This provision, unless limited to nonconsensual communications as the courts have done with regard to the existing prohibition on such telephone calls, is most likely unconstitutional. Nevertheless, the legislative history of this provision should clarify that the amended language is intended to apply only to nonconsensual communications.1 Second, the Exon bill restricts anyone from transmitting, "or otherwise mak[ing] available," "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, or indecent" communications. (S. 314 Sec. 2(a)(1)(B)). This goes beyond and is in addition to the existing prohibition on knowingly permitting a telephone facility under one's control to be used for purposes prohibited by Sec. 223(a). The Exon bill expands the prohibition on knowing use of telephone facilities to knowing use of telecommunications facilities. (S. 314 Sec. 2(a)(2)). The latter provision may prove troublesome if service providers are deemed to "know" about the use of Bulletin Boards for or Electronic Mail for harassment or indecent remarks. These provisions could have a chilling effect on electronic message services, providers, carriers, or anyone else who could be deemed to "transmit[] or otherwise make[] available" prohibited electronic communications. Thus, for example, if someone sent an indecent electronic comment from a workstation, the employer, the e-mail service provider, and the carrier could all potentially be held liable, and subject to up to $100,000 in fines or up to 2 years in prison. This provision also has potentially chilling effects on electronic bulletin boards, discussion groups, and basic electronic mail communications. Although some service providers regularly screen bulletin boards to ensure that no obscene or indecent remarks appear upon them, the incredible proliferation of such bulletin boards makes comprehensive screening practically impossible.2 Bulletin Boards on the Internet, and, potentially, electronic messages, include numerous postings making racist remarks, arguing that the Holocaust never occurred, etc. All of these could conceivably be considered "indecent," or annoying, abusive or harassing, any of which could subject employers, services, and carriers to liability. It is questionable whether the prohibition on obscene or indecent communications, even if limited to nonconsensual communications, can be accomplished in electronic communications without chilling the First Amendment. Electronic bulletin boards and discussion groups blur the concept of intent: anyone perusing bulletin boards or discussion groups on the Internet has the potential to stumble, as if accidently stumbling into an X-rated movie theater, upon indecent material.3 Such an encounter may not be "consensual." The Internet practice of "flaming" fellow users very frequently involves use of indecency. Any such flame, which is by definition nonconsensual,4 would subject anyone who "makes available" the communication (again, potentially including an employer, service provider, common carrier, etc.) to full liability under this section. B. Restrictions on Commercial Obscenity The Exon bill would amend current law which is intended to restrict consensual obscene or indecent telephone calls, such as dial-a-porn. Current law prohibits use of the telephone to make obscene communications for commercial purposes, regardless of whether the maker of such communications placed the call (i.e., regardless of consent). (47 U.S.C. 223(b)(1)). Current law also prohibits making indecent communications available to persons under age 18. (47 U.S.C. 223(b)(2)). Current law allows common carriers to avoid liability under the provision limiting indecent material to persons over 18 by complying with F.C.C. rules5and by offering subscribers the right to block access to indecent material. The Exon bill would extend these prohibitions to all telecommunications. (S. 314 Sec. 2(a)(3)). By simply applying existing telephone provisions to telecommunications, the Exon bill would again create problems due to the unique nature of non-telephone telecommunications. For example, may a service or provider be liable if it does not check the ages of all members of a household, and allow a family to block access to members under the age of 18? Numerous electronic bulletin boards on line contain indecent material,6 and indecent material may spring up in any discussion group, or even when a rap artist discusses his lyrics, or a record company puts a new release on line, as has been done in recent months. Because subscribers are required to pay a commercial fee (beyond their basic subscription fee, which would presumably be analogous to a telephone common carrier fee) to access these services, indecent material on these services may subject providers to liability.7 C. Expansion of ECPA The Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), codified in the U.S. Code at Title 18, generally prohibits unauthorized electronic surveillance, such as wiretapping of employees. (18 U.S.C. 2511. See Alderman v. U.S., 394 U.S. 165 (1969)). The Exon bill would add conforming language which amends the prohibition on surveillance to ensure that it covers all electronic communications, including digital communications. (S. 314 Sec. 5). ECPA has been amended before to account for the evolution of technology. When passed in 1968, ECPA prohibited surveillance only of wire or oral communications. ECPA was amended in 1986 to prohibit as well surveillance of electronic communications. Sec. 5 of S. 314 would ensure that all electronic communications, including digital communications, are covered. III. Status The Exon language is substantively identical to the amendment to S. 1822, Senate telecommunications deregulation legislation in the last congress. It is anticipated that Sen. Exon will again offer his language as an amendment to telecommunications deregulation legislation which is expected to be introduced by mid-February. Sen. Pressler, Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, has indicated his eagerness to address the legislation. Sen. Exon is a member of the Senate Commerce Committee. IV. Prognosis Last year, Sen. Exon's language was adopted as an amendment to the telecommunications deregulation legislation even though many thought it hastily drafted and poorly thought out. Nevertheless, this language could be adopted as part of the telecommunications bill in a matter of weeks or potentially added to any legislation pending on the Senate floor. A coalition of groups assembled last fall to address the threat to online services created by the Exon provisions. The coalition included representatives of the ACLU, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), America Online, Prodigy, ANS, CompuServe, and the Interactive Services Association. The will of Senators to oppose such "morality" legislation, regardless of how technically flawed, is always in short supply; in the more conservative atmosphere of the 104th Congress, such legislation stands an even greater chance of passage. ENDNOTES 0 Courts have not defined precisely what constitutes indecency, although they have held that mere offensiveness is insufficient. 1 Sec. 7 of Sen. Exon's bill, which requires that cable channels "unsuitable for children" be fully scrambled for nonsubscribers, suggests that he does not intend to prohibit indecent, non-obscene, consensual communications. Sec. 7 does not prohibit such "indecent" programming as the Playboy Channel, but merely ensures that it will be limited to consenting adults. 2 This problem is compounded by the indefiniteness of the definition of indecency. 3 The proliferation of such material on the Internet is evident in the proliferation of bulletin boards devoted solely to sexual topics. According to a newsgroup list compiled by Digital Equipment Corp., the most popular bulletin board on the Internet, after a bulletin board providing rules for new users, is alt.sex.stories, which half a million Internet users log on to each month. The next most popular category is alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, followed by the alt.sex discussion group. 4 One could argue, however, that the practices of logging on to the Internet or entering a discussion group or bulletin board, constitutes "consent," or waiver of the right to object, to whatever communications may ensue. The unresolved issue of consent demonstrates the difficulty of simply applying existing obscenity or anti-harassment law governing telephones to all telecommunications. 5 For example, F.C.C. rules require that companies require a credit card for provision of services. 6 See supra note 4. 7 Although it might be argued that the basic subscription fee of on-line services is analogous to a telephone common carrier fee, in this case the carrier (the service provider) is providing both the basic communications and the information services (i.e., the Bulletin Board). Thus the electronic telecommunications carrier is analogous to both the telephone company and the dial-a-porn operator for enforcement purposes. ====================== S.314 Analysis Ends =================== ===================== What You Can Do ====================== There is a petition floating through the Internet against the above bill. Here are instructions on signing the petition: 1. send an e-mail message to: S314-petition@netcom.com 2. the message (NOT the subject heading) should read as follows: SIGNED e.g.: SIGNED jmrosen@aol.com Joel M. Rosen YES It's that simple. By the way, Senator Exon has just announced that he plans to retire after his term is up in 1996, so he may want to get this legislation through as his crowning achievement. Let's deny him the pleasure! - --Joel M. Rosen jmrosen@aol.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:27:07 EST Subject: Re: MIDI FILES Really-From: Eduardo Marcel Macan >I finally found some time to start Digitizing Kraftwerk songs into MIDI >format. I've decided to tackle the Computer World album first. Unfortunately >this is a daunting task. Although I don't know the real meaning of the word "daunting" I think I know what you mean, I already "midized" the Model (I think it will be available next week, now that my Computer is working again) and I am currently MIDIzing The Hall of Mirrors and Showroom Dummies, The hall of mirrors is a special pain in the ears, because of those sounds (I call them "bubbles") in the background of the music, by the way, if someone knows or has an idea of how that was done it would be of grat help. I spent 2 hours just to make it "sound like" that, but I am aiming perfection. *grin* > After 4 hours of work I've managed to Midize the >first minute of the song Computer World. (Now I know why KW albums take so >long to make) Specialy after they went into MIDI, huh? *smile* > When I finish this song I will be glad to send it to anyone >wanting it. >I am composing it around the General Midi FM synth engine >of a SoundBlaster type sound card but anyone with MIDI knowledge can >easily adapt the data to other synth engines. I am thinking of making it available via FTP at ftp.unicamp.br, I have to ask for that, but I don't think they will deny it to me, I am using a PROteus/1 to produce it, but I can convert it to SB-FM. Anyone interested upon converting it to General MIDI? So more people could enjoy it... I am planning on putting my own sequences (and other people's, too) there, so if you (anyone out there) composed something I would like to hear... >I invite anyone else to join in. Eduardo Macan of Brazil is hard at work >on some songs from TEE and MM. *smile* Philip said it all when he said time is the problem, so I apologize for taking so long to post anything to the people who asked for KW-MIDI files, Philip and me are doing what we can... By the way, Philip, don't try to convert one entire music at a time, work on several musics at the same time or you may get tired of the music. this hapenned to me with Louise (Human League) now I will have to wait a very long time till I am able to continue listening to it in order to finish the "midization". :( Regards Eduardo. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 17:19:56 +0200 (METDST) Subject: Re: MIDI files Really-From: Kjell Elgsaas > I finally found some time to start Digitizing Kraftwerk songs into MIDI > format. I've decided to tackle the Computer World album first. Unfortunately > this is a daunting task. After 4 hours of work I've managed to Midize the > first minute of the song Computer World. (Now I know why KW albums take so > long to make) All of the intertwined "chippy" sequences played deep in the > mix are very difficult to discern however with lots of patients, it is > possible. When I finish this song I will be glad to send it to anyone > wanting it. I am composing it around the General Midi FM synth engine > of a SoundBlaster type sound card but anyone with MIDI knowledge can > easily adapt the data to other synth engines. Errr... Have you ever heard of copyright? You can of course sit for hours with your "synth" (SoundBlaster) trying to copy Kraftwerk songs, but you cannot distribute the resulting MIDI files to others! What's the purpose, anyway? And please, don't call what you do composing! Kjell ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 10:42:00 -0500 Subject: kraftwerk digest Really-From: wally.stemberger@canrem.com (Wally Stemberger) subscribe kraftwerk-digest Joanne Stemberger c/o wally.stemberger@canrem.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:19:25 GMT+0 Subject: Re: RE: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: "C.M.WEBER" > An album of Kraftwerk doing Led Zep covers? Does sound implausible, doesn't > it? In fact, I think an album of Hank Williams covers would be more likely! > Or Abba? Or the Burt Bacharach/Hal David songbook! How about, "Billy Don't Be > A Hero" by Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods? Or, "It's Not Unusual"? > Now I'd be impressed if they did some Slayer/Carcass covers! Chris ;^) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:41:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: MIDI files Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: Kjell Elgsaas > > Errr... Have you ever heard of copyright? You can of course sit for hours > with your "synth" (SoundBlaster) trying to copy Kraftwerk songs, but you > cannot distribute the resulting MIDI files to others! Why ?????? > What's the purpose, anyway? And please, don't call what you do composing! I don't think they are.. See yah, Rich. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:10:29 -0500 Subject: Re: kraftwerk digest Really-From: Tarkus1958@aol.com unsubscribe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:00:48 CST Subject: Re[3]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com Spotnik wrote: > An album of Kraftwerk doing Led Zep covers? Does sound implausible, > doesn't it? In fact, I think an album of Hank Williams covers would > be more likely! Or Abba? Or the Burt Bacharach/Hal David songbook! > How about, "Billy Don't Be A Hero" by Bo Donaldson and the > Heywoods? Or, "It's Not Unusual"? Well, why not? If regular guitar bands can cover Kraftwerk (remember, Kraftwerk used "real" instruments at the start), then there's no reason why KW can't cover regular guitar bands. But we shouldn't stop there...when their next album finally comes out, or perhaps sooner, what they should do is (deep breath) KRAFTWERK UNPLUGGED! (or: Kraftwerk - unverstaerkt) No, seriously! Think about it! It would completely show up the whole acoustic renaissance as the farce that it is and prove that non-electronic instruments are not inherently superior as so many would have us think. There could be pianos! Harpsichords! A string section! Gamelans! You name it! Larry ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 19:08:49 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: Re[3]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > KRAFTWERK UNPLUGGED! (or: Kraftwerk - unverstaerkt) > > No, seriously! Think about it! It would completely show up the whole > acoustic renaissance as the farce that it is and prove that > non-electronic instruments are not inherently superior as so many > would have us think. There could be pianos! Harpsichords! A string > section! Gamelans! You name it! Somebody in the TD mailing list recently suggested a "Tangerine Dream Unplugged" album be produced. It would be, as he put it, a 45 minute remix of John Cage's 4'33" I can't see a "Kraftwerk Unplugged" sounding much different. :) - -- Johann ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 15:30:10 GMT-3:00 Subject: Re: MIDI files Really-From: Eduardo Marcel Macan > Errr... Have you ever heard of copyright? You can of course sit for hours > with your "synth" (SoundBlaster) trying to copy Kraftwerk songs, but you > cannot distribute the resulting MIDI files to others! What's the purpose, > anyway? And please, don't call what you do composing! > > Kjell Er, sounds like someone got angry here... :) Well, for your information the soundblaster card IS a synthesizer, since you can manipulate its FM generators to produce all kinds of sound, if I am not wrong the Yamaha dx-7 used FM synthesis just like the sound blaster does, the main difference is in the number of operators, so why not calling the SB a synth? What do you call an YAMAHA DX-7 ? And about distributing MIDI files... I don't think It will hurt KW in any way, their lyrics are available in many places via FTP sites, aren't they? What's the problem with the Music itself? So as long you don't use the MIDI files for making money I think the worst thing you will be doing is to spread their music, and I DO not think they will feel bad about this, since the midi files will *never* be good substitutes for their albums people would have to get the albums anyway... by the way, have you never taped an album to a friend? What's the difference? And a purpose of having a KW MIDI file could be trying to make your WINDOWS(TM) *grin* session less boring... That's it... Eduardo Macan. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 16:01:18 GMT-3:00 Subject: Re: Re[3]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: Eduardo Marcel Macan > Well, why not? If regular guitar bands can cover Kraftwerk (remember, > Kraftwerk used "real" instruments at the start), then there's no > reason why KW can't cover regular guitar bands. But we shouldn't stop > there...when their next album finally comes out, or perhaps sooner, > what they should do is (deep breath) > > KRAFTWERK UNPLUGGED! (or: Kraftwerk - unverstaerkt) > > No, seriously! Think about it! It would completely show up the whole Being honest, Larry, I think that the Balanescu covers must be enough of KW unplugged... and besides that, we still have one problem, I don't think they would make a video out of it like everybody else does, right? :) Imagine a KW official video... nah! By the way, anyone has KW recorded in NTSC format? I am desperate for seeing a KW video (believe it or not I have never seen one) And nobody has anything in PAL-M (goddamned brazilian standard) or NTSC (which my VCR can also read) . HELP! Eduardo. P.S. Sorry for the last mail, it was intended to be a personal reply... and I replied to the whole list... :( ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #203 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #204 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 28 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 204 Re[5]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 15:51:40 CST Subject: Re[5]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com Eduardo wrote (referring to my KW unplugged idea): > Being honest, Larry, I think that the Balanescu covers must be > enough of KW unplugged... The Balanescu thing wasn't KW unplugged - it was KW arranged for strings. I'm talking about KW themselves abandoning their traditional configuration (though they probably have philosophical objections to that) just to deconstruct the myth of (guitar) rock. And to have some fun in the process. Still, I have to admit it's pretty unlikely, but it's an interesting idea... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #204 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #205 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 29 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 205 E-music on the net home page musique concrete Re: Re[3]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Re: musique concrete Re: Re[3]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! TOUR DE FRANCE MIDI files again... Re[5]: Kraftwerk unplugged? (was:Mix 2 samples!!!!!) Re: MIDI files again... MIDI and copyrights Unsubscribe Re: Copyright Re: Unsubscribe Re: MIDI and copyrights MIDI and copyrights ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 11:51:34 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: E-music on the net home page Really-From: * ESGER * Dear fellow netters and E-music lovers, I'm trying to put up a homepage on Electronic music. I've found a few nice resources so far but I need more. Since I don't have a lot of time to roam the net in search of them I'm writing this letter. If you know about information on the net concerning electronic music, please E-mail me the URL of that info. I will incorporate it ASAP into the "E-music on the Net" home page. People who want to check out the page can point their browser at: http://www.uia.ua.ac.be/u/esger/emusic/emusic.html All information and comments are of course warmly welcomed and I'll try to mention the contributors on the page somewhere. People who want to donate audioclips to the page (mostly welcomed are clips from artists who I don't own CD's of) are encouraged to do so, the only twitch is that I have only limited (8meg) diskspace. Links to audioclips would be better. Thanks a lot (at least for reading this :-) Geert Raes Esger@reks.uia.ac.be ciao, - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- SGR aka Geert Raes esger@uia.ua.ac.be http://www.uia.ua.ac.be/u/esger - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- E-music on the Net : http://www.uia.ua.ac.be/u/esger/emusic/emusic.html - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- People talking about the environment ought to read "The Sheep Look Up" by John Brunner, then they'll know what polution is. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 11:18:09 BST Subject: musique concrete Really-From: Shane J Wims Hi, Can someone give me a good definition of Musique Concrete (as mentioned in Pascal Bussy's KW book) My understanding is that it is taking sounds from everyday life and making music with them - such as the telephones in The Telephone Call. - -shane ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 11:20:09 BST Subject: Re: Re[3]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: Shane J Wims > By the way, anyone has KW recorded in NTSC format? I am desperate for >seeing a KW video (believe it or not I have never seen one) And nobody has >anything in PAL-M (goddamned brazilian standard) or NTSC (which my VCR can also >read) . I thought I was the only person who has never seen a Kraftwerk promo video! What I would give for an official release of KW videos .... - -shane ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 16:16:24 +0100 Subject: Re: musique concrete Really-From: wolfram@vpro.nl (l'affaire wolfram) >Can someone give me a good definition of Musique Concrete (as mentioned in >Pascal Bussy's KW book) Musique Concrete was invented by the Groupe de Recherche Musicale (group for musical research),a group of composers from Paris, France, in the beginning of the 1950s. They started to use the then new invention of the tape recorder to construct pieces only out of recorded sounds (so it is, in fact, sampling avant-la-lettre). They used a wide range of sounds (i.e. railway sounds, squeeking doors, but also human sounds and I have even once or twice heard fragments from a musical instrument or orchestra, most probably copied from records) which they manipulated by changing the pitch, looping or repeating the sound, filtering it, etcetera. The most imported comnposers of the movement were Pierre Schaeffer (died in I think 1982), and Pierre Henry (still alive, by my knowledge). Schaeffer was the originator of the Groupe and the idea of Musique Concrete. He had a technical background. Henry was a close friend of Schaeffer and the more musical of the two (since he had enjoyed a conservatory education), though I must say that I personally don't think that Schaeffer's pieces are less good than Henry's. They also composed a few pieces together. Schaeffers most well known works include 'Etude de Chemin de Fer' (study on railroads) and 'Symfonie pour un homme seul' (symphony for a man alone). Both works last about three minutes. Henry's most impressive work is without any doubt 'Variations pour une porte et un soupir' (variations for a door and a sigh) - which is an astonishing work of approx. 50 minutes with only the treated sounds of (indeed) a door and a sigh. After the 1950s the Groupe did not really produce anything anymore. I am not sure whether it stopped to exist or they just went in-active. After that, Schaeffer did (by my knowledge) nothing else but reconstructing some of his works with better equipment (beginning of 1970s) and talking, talking, talking about Musique Concrete. Henry continued composing (for instance, the 'Variations...' were composed in the beginning of the 1960s) but he switched to making 'serious electronic music', i.e. generated electronic music (like the German composers - Stockhausen, Koenig, etc. - did) and not 'sampled' music. This music is still quite o.k. (if you're into 'difficult music') but it lacks to my opinion the freshness of his concrete pieces. Henry also did some collaborations with rock groups around 1970 but I do not know much of that. Nowadays, there are some composers (especially in and around France) who feel inspired by the old Musique Concrete. Most of their music is unfortunately rather dull, but there are also a few good contemporary composers on Musique Conrete. Luc Ferrari is an example of someone who has brought the original ideas of Musique Concrete to a higher level. It is difficult to obtain Musique Concrete nowadays. The complete works of Pierre Schaeffer have been released on a 4-cd set with book in France ('L'OEuvre Musicale' on IMA Disques (I think)). I could reccommend it. Maybe you could get some information via the IRCAM institute in Paris. They're somewhere on the WWW. 'Variations pour une porte et un soupir' has been released on Harmona Mundi France. Also very much reccommended. One or two of his electronic works have also been released on cd. Luc Ferrari also has released a few cd's - for example on BVHaast (Netherlands) and Metamkine (France). taco a w stolk . . . VPRO's. . . . .*::: *. . . . . . . . . ..wolfram@vpro.nl (editor) . . . . . . A . . R . . T * ::E:: * R . . I . . A . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .* :::*. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.vpro.nl/arteria/arteria-general/arteria-home-n . . . . . ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 16:45:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Re[3]: Mix 2 samples!!!!! Really-From: me3tomjo@ikm.his.se (Tommie =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= ) KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com wrote: > Well, why not? If regular guitar bands can cover Kraftwerk (remember, > Kraftwerk used "real" instruments at the start), then there's no > reason why KW can't cover regular guitar bands. But we shouldn't stop > there...when their next album finally comes out, or perhaps sooner, > what they should do is (deep breath) > KRAFTWERK UNPLUGGED! (or: Kraftwerk - unverstaerkt) Come on! I thought everyone had heard the Ralf H=FCtter quote " No-one will be able to hear Kraftwerk without a speaker=8A" (I think it is in the Pascal Bussy book). The whole idea is absurd - KW unplugged? I thought the idea behind the KW sound was to sound *very* electronic. Leave the unplugged stuff to the Balanescu Quartet and others, =B4cause I don't think Ralf and Florian would be interested. Or? Tommie Joensson me3tomjo@ikm.his.se ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 17:12:00 +0100 Subject: TOUR DE FRANCE Really-From: wolfram@vpro.nl (l'affaire wolfram) The 'Tour de France' cd single will be released next saturday, at least in The Netherlands! It was scheduled for one week later, but for unknown reasons that has been changed. The information comes from an official press release from EMI records which has been sent to the record shop where I have worked in weekends - to prove that this is reliable news. This is all I know at the moment, but of course I will post any other info as soon as I've got it. bye Taco taco a w stolk . . . VPRO's. . . . .*::: *. . . . . . . . . ..wolfram@vpro.nl (editor) . . . . . . A . . R . . T * ::E:: * R . . I . . A . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .* :::*. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://www.vpro.nl/arteria/arteria-general/arteria-home-n . . . . . ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 20:29:44 +0200 (METDST) Subject: MIDI files again... Really-From: Kjell Elgsaas >Er, sounds like someone got angry here... :) My apologies if I sounded angry! =) I'm not! =) >Well, for your information the soundblaster card IS a synthesizer, since >you can manipulate its FM generators to produce all kinds of sound, if I >am not wrong the Yamaha dx-7 used FM synthesis just like the sound >blaster does, the main difference is in the number of operators, so why not >calling the SB a synth? What do you call an YAMAHA DX-7 ? Well, you'll never catch me calling the soundblaster a synth. A few reasons: Output quality (level, signal to noise ratio), sound quality (16-bit CD-quality is a bit of an exaggeration...) and MIDI specifications. I see the soundblaster as a funny little noise-box for playing music in computer games. No offense to anybody who uses it in a more creative musical way! =) The DX7 I call a synth!!! >And about distributing MIDI files... I don't think It will hurt KW in >any way, their lyrics are available in many places via FTP sites, aren't >they? The fact that many MIDI files and lyrics already are available on the Internet doesn't make it any more legal! The copyright holder has the right to the work in all respects. If KW one day decides to put out their work as MIDI files (not that I think they ever will...) that source of income would be damaged by the breach of copyright free distribution of copyrighted material is. I'm not a lawyer and I won't sue you guys, but think about this! You could be in trouble one day... >What's the problem with the Music itself? So as long you don't use the >MIDI files for making money I think the worst thing you will be doing is >to spread their music, and I DO not think they will feel bad about this, It really doesn't matter if you make money from it, as long as you advertise your files to the public through this mailing list. If you want to spread the music of Kraftwerk, then you should also respect their right in their music. >since the midi files will *never* be good substitutes for their albums people >would have to get the albums anyway... by the way, have you never taped >an album to a friend? What's the difference? The difference is quite clear, isn't it? Copying a tape to a friend is not done "in public" and it's a private thing. Take the step into the Internet and offer copies of an album and you cross the fine line... Well, I hope the persons associated with "the MIDI file" business discussed here won't be personally offended. I'm merely pointing out a breach of copyright here, and attack only the case itself, not the persons. =) Kjell ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 13:34:28 CST Subject: Re[5]: Kraftwerk unplugged? (was:Mix 2 samples!!!!!) Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com Tommie wrote: > Come on! I thought everyone had heard the Ralf H=FCtter quote > " No-one will be able to hear Kraftwerk without a speaker=8A" (I > think it is in the Pascal Bussy book). The whole idea is absurd - > KW unplugged? > I thought the idea behind the KW sound was to sound *very* > electronic. Oh dear, it seems we have a few reverse Luddites on the list. Kraftwerk may be very staunchly futuristic and all that but I do know that they have a sense of HUMOUR. Granted, the "Unplugged" concept, especially as propagated by EmptyV, is ludicrous, but I think a band like KW would be just the thing to illustrate that. They might be very electronic now but they haven't always been (at least not entirely). An acoustic/non-amplified instrument IS its own amplification (plus they would need to amp them somewhat anyway). Ralf was probably referring to the fact that listening to *recordings* of Kraftwerk would be impossible without amplification of some sort, e.g. your stereo, the amps at their concerts etc. - a fact so blindingly obvious it barely merits mentioning. Practically no music can be produced without amplification, whether inherent in the instrument or provided by intermediate equipment (amps, mikes). As long as they didn't think they were being made to admit that they weren't a "real" band, I don't see why they wouldn't/couldn't... Larry ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 13:08:23 -0600 Subject: Re: MIDI files again... Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > The difference is quite clear, isn't it? Copying a tape to a friend > is not done "in public" and it's a private thing. Take the step into the I don't know, but apart from selling tape copies being completely illegal (not in Malta, though, where you can basically buy nothing but "illegal" tape copies - which are legal there), to my knowledge even the passing of a tape copy to a friend, w/o payment for it, is illegal. As far as I know, the fee included in blank tape prices is only covering copies that one makes for personal use. (this might vary from country to country - concise info, anyone?) - -gbr > Internet and offer copies of an album and you cross the fine line... > Well, I hope the persons associated with "the MIDI file" business > discussed here won't be personally offended. I'm merely pointing out a > breach of copyright here, and attack only the case itself, not the > persons. =) > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:13:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: MIDI and copyrights Really-From: David Bass > >And about distributing MIDI files... I don't think It will hurt KW in > >any way, their lyrics are available in many places via FTP sites, aren't > >they? > > The fact that many MIDI files and lyrics already are available on the > Internet doesn't make it any more legal! The copyright holder has the > right to the work in all respects. If KW one day decides to put out their work > as MIDI files (not that I think they ever will...) that source of > income would be damaged by the breach of copyright free distribution of > copyrighted material is. I'm not a lawyer and I won't sue you guys, but > think about this! You could be in trouble one day... > > >What's the problem with the Music itself? So as long you don't use the > >MIDI files for making money I think the worst thing you will be doing is > >to spread their music, and I DO not think they will feel bad about this, > > It really doesn't matter if you make money from it, as long as you > advertise your files to the public through this mailing list. If you want > to spread the music of Kraftwerk, then you should also respect their > right in their music. > > >since the midi files will *never* be good substitutes for their albums people > >would have to get the albums anyway... by the way, have you never taped > >an album to a friend? What's the difference? > > The difference is quite clear, isn't it? Copying a tape to a friend > is not done "in public" and it's a private thing. Take the step into the > Internet and offer copies of an album and you cross the fine line... > Well, I hope the persons associated with "the MIDI file" business > discussed here won't be personally offended. I'm merely pointing out a > breach of copyright here, and attack only the case itself, not the > persons. =) > Just to add my 2 cents worth, all based on my (limited) knowledge of US copyright law: I think there are really two elements involved in music copyrights: the publishing copyright and the performance copyright. Making a cassette copy and giving it to a friend is a violation of the copyright of the performance. That's why recordings of pieces of music in the public domain are still copyrighted. Just because a tape exchange isn't "public" doesn't make it any less illegal (in the US, anyway). Not that I haven't done it myself... :-) As far as the MIDI files go, the MIDI file is really just the creator's "cover version" of a Kraftwerk song. I'm not sure if KW are due royalties if one of their songs is covered, but I don't think so. If I used parts of KW's music in my own composition and claimed it for my own, that's a violation of the publishing copyright. If I play a version of "Computerlove" on a kazoo (or guitar or flute or MIDI), but acknowledge that the song was written by KW, then I think that's OK. And if some poor fool were to pay me for my all-kazoo versions of KW's greatest hits, then I think KW gets a cut of whatever I make. I'm not totaly positive about this last point, though. Yeah, it's all clear as mud to me, too. Copyright law always is. David - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Bass | "The most important thing is SAS Institute, Documentation Development | the thing most easily sasdgb@sas.com | forgotten" (919) 677-8000, ext. 5682 | - Brian Eno / Peter Schmidt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 14:22:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: Unsubscribe Really-From: theresa@lenti.med.umn.edu Unsubscribe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 28 MAR 95 17:42:48 EST Subject: Re: Copyright Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Kjell What Eduadro and I are doing with respest to Midizing KW songs may seem unusual and illegal to some but here are my personel reasons for doing so. I make lots of music using synthesizers. I have a wealth of analog and digital synths. However I want to improve on my ability to master these synths and create synthetic music. Since Kraftwerk have so many favorable attributes with respect to their synthetic music abilities; I feel that by clinicly disecting and reconstructing their works, I can gain incite and knowledge that I will make me a better musician. It is an interesting point you made on Copyrights but I do not feel that what I am doing is infact illegal. I am "creating" a digital file by hand. I am not "copying" or "sampling" their music on a digital or analog format. The difference between "creating" and "copying" is the issue at hand. In Canada, our laws enable bands to perform any song "live" but in order to record a song, one must obtain the permission of the person holding the copyright. I think that this issue is unimportant so I would recommend that we discuss it Not on the KW forum. btw...I would be happy to be sued by Kraftwerk because it would enable me to meet them :) Also I welcome private discussion on the topic of soundcards with you. I happen to know much and have used their OPL3 YAMAHA FM synth engines to create wonderful music. I even have shareware software that I can forward to anyone with a soundcard. This software is windows based and enables the editing of the FM synth. I agree with you that most MIDI files played on soundcards sound terrible but that is because of the song "composer". Van Halen used an Oberheim synth and I'm certain that KW have used them but who do you think can "compose" a better song using one? It is not the tool but the artist's skill and creativity that is most important. In my synth collection, my most expensive synths are a $2000 Waldorf Microwave and a $4000 Yamaha CS-60 circa 1977 however I enjoy using my $80 soundcard just as much. Philip Pilgrim operators. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:23:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Really-From: theresa@lenti.med.umn.edu remove Unsubscribe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 16:53:16 CST Subject: Re: MIDI and copyrights Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com David wrote: > And if some poor fool were to pay me for my all-kazoo versions of KW's greatest hits... Hmph. And people thought my Kraftwerk Unplugged idea was stupid... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 22:20:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: MIDI and copyrights Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > I think there are really two elements involved in music copyrights: the > publishing copyright and the performance copyright. Making a cassette copy > and giving it to a friend is a violation of the copyright of the > performance. That's why recordings of pieces of music in the public > domain are still copyrighted. Just because a tape exchange isn't > "public" doesn't make it any less illegal (in the US, anyway). >From Terry Carroll's copyright FAQ: Q16) Can I legally make a cassette copy of a musical CD for my own use, so I can play it in my car? This issue has been argued back and forth for many years, with consumers groups arguing that this was a fair use (see Q8), and the recording industry arguing that it was not. The issue was finally settled by Congress when the Audio Home Recording Act (AHRA) (P.L. 102-563, 106 Stat. 4237, codified at 17 U.S.C. 1001 - 1010) was passed in October 1992. This Act added a ten sections to Title 17, one of which provided an alternative to the fair use analysis for musical recordings. The new section states: No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings. 17 U.S.C. 1008. As the legislative history to this statute noted, "In short, the reported legislation would clearly establish that consumers cannot be sued for making analog or digital audio copies for private noncommercial use." H.R. Rep. 102-780(I). Does this mean you can make copies for your family and friends, as long as it's not "commercial?" A strict reading of the words in the statute would seem to say that you may. This is not as outrageous as it sounds. Part of the impetus behind the AHRA was the perception that blank tapes were being used mostly to copy commercial musical sound recordings. As a result, the AHRA provided that a royalty payment (referred to as a "DAT tax" by its detractors) be paid for each sale of digital audio tape to compensate authors of musical works and sound recordings for the profits lost due to these copies. See 17 U.S.C. 1003, 1004. Arguably, the AHRA anticipates and allows exactly this type of copying, and a literal reading of section 1008 would tend to support this position. But the AHRA is still sufficiently new this hasn't been tested in court yet. Note, also, that this section applies only to musical recordings; it clearly does not include spoken word recordings. Of course, it is still possible that such a use of a spoken word recording might still be considered a section 107 fair use, even if section 1008 does not apply to provide a clear exemption. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: http://rt66.com/lazlo/ features Discographies, Record ::: Collecting Resources, The Internet Music Wantlists, and more. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #205 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #206 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 30 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 206 Re: musique concrete Re: Re[5]: Kraftwerk unplugged? (was:Mix 2 samples!!!!!) soundblaster Re: Kraftwerk unplugged? Re: Kraftwerk unplugged? Re[7]: Kraftwerk unplugged? (was:Mix 2 samples!!!!!) Re[2]: Kraftwerk unplugged? Unplugged ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 09:35:16 BST Subject: Re: musique concrete Really-From: Shane J Wims >After >that, Schaeffer did (by my knowledge) nothing else but reconstructing some >of his works with better equipment (beginning of 1970s) and talking, Hi, thanks for this information ... by the way, the phrase 'reconstructing some of his works with better equipment' has an eerie ring of familiarity to it :) - -shane ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:06:12 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: Re[5]: Kraftwerk unplugged? (was:Mix 2 samples!!!!!) Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com > > they would need to amp them somewhat anyway). Ralf was probably > referring to the fact that listening to *recordings* of Kraftwerk > would be impossible without amplification of some sort, e.g. your > stereo, the amps at their concerts etc. - a fact so blindingly obvious No, you're dead wrong. :) Read some of the Hutter interviews... If ever there was a musical technocrat ("reverse Luddite" if you will), it was Ralf Hutter. That's the single greatest reason I admire the man... :) - -- Johann Johann Visagie | Tel: +27 21 887 1779 | Email: jvisagie@active.co.za Active Access | Fax: +27 21 887 1829 | URL: http://www.active.co.za ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 09:46:47 -0500 Subject: soundblaster Really-From: "Jeremy Lichtman" Hey! My band has been using the sampling facilities of a soundblaster pro to create professional quality music for about a year now. The point is, is that it isn't the price, or the compexity of the equipment that counts, its how you use it. Jeremy Lichtman yu106693@yorku.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:50:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk unplugged? Really-From: me3tomjo@ikm.his.se (Tommie =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= ) Larry Wrote: > Ralf was probably > referring to the fact that listening to *recordings* of Kraftwerk > would be impossible without amplification of some sort, e.g. your > stereo, the amps at their concerts etc. - a fact so blindingly obvious > it barely merits mentioning. Practically no music can be produced > without amplification, whether inherent in the instrument or provided > by intermediate equipment (amps, mikes). As long as they didn't think > they were being made to admit that they weren't a "real" band, I don't > see why they wouldn't/couldn't... > > Larry Yeah, yeah, I know that...and I am also aware of the fact that KW really has got a sense of humor. However, what made me sound a bit upset was connecting KW with the "MTV unplugged concept". The whole thing with unplugged makes me sick, I think it is a *big* step backwards for pop music, and an easy way to make a fortune without coming up with something new. Yep. I think unplugged is something for oldboys like Eric Clapton sitting round the campfire and wish it was 1968 again, not for the "spokesmen of a new way of making music" (even if KW are oldboys today). OK that was enough for me. No offense, pal. BTW, I found the quote I referred to in my previous message. It's from an article in the german rag "Tip", 1991: "...Without a lodspeaker no one could ever experience Kraftwerk...You can't play our music on a piano. That doesn't work. Notes have no value for our music..." Check it out, it must be somewhere in the digests of this mailing list. Tommie Joensson Me3tomjo@ikm.his.se Tommie Joensson Me3tomjo@ikm.his.se ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 17:20:16 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk unplugged? Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: me3tomjo@ikm.his.se (Tommie =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= ) > > has got a sense of humor. However, what made me sound a bit upset was > connecting KW with the "MTV unplugged concept". The whole thing with > unplugged makes me sick, I think it is a *big* step backwards for pop > music, and an easy way to make a fortune without coming up with something Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed. > new. Yep. I think unplugged is something for oldboys like Eric Clapton > sitting round the campfire and wish it was 1968 again, not for the > "spokesmen of a new way of making music" (even if KW are oldboys *rofl* Agreed. > from an article in the german rag "Tip", 1991: > "...Without a lodspeaker no one could ever experience Kraftwerk...You > can't play our music on a piano. That doesn't work. Notes have no value > for our music..." Check it out, it must be somewhere in the digests of > this mailing list. There are many quotes like that floating about... Just read all the interviews on the Anders' KW home page... - -- Johann Johann Visagie | Tel: +27 21 887 1779 | Email: jvisagie@active.co.za Active Access | Fax: +27 21 887 1829 | URL: http://www.active.co.za ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 10:53:16 CST Subject: Re[7]: Kraftwerk unplugged? (was:Mix 2 samples!!!!!) Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com Okay, so I don't know what I'm talking about. I never read the Hutter interviews and I honestly don't know what the "speaker" quote has to do with what we're talking about. The point of doing it would not be for its own sake but to illustrate the crassness of the whole myth that says bands without the traditional guitar/bass/drums lineup aren't real music, aren't "live" etc. Perhaps they could use keyboards after all, but using samples (manipulated of course) of acoustic instruments. Okay, no, wait. Forget the unplugged thing. Stupid idea. How about a huge concert/event both on stage and via the net and other media? Someone suggested an event with the individual members of KW in different places... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 11:14:39 CST Subject: Re[2]: Kraftwerk unplugged? Really-From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04@ccmail.worldcom.com Tommie wrote: > what made me sound a bit upset was connecting KW with the "MTV > unplugged concept". The whole thing with unplugged makes me sick, I > think it is a *big* step backwards for pop music, and an easy way > to make a fortune without coming up with something new. Yep. I > think unplugged is something for oldboys like Eric Clapton sitting > round the campfire and wish it was 1968 again Absolutely, which is why at first I thought KW would be perfect for exploding the whole myth of rock but the more I think about it the more I feel it would be better if they had nothing to do with MTV and its ilk whatsoever. I mean, opening for U2 was dubious enough in itself. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 29 MAR 95 21:26:49 EST Subject: Unplugged Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA This whole idea of Kraftwerk unplugged is illogical. I believe that the only passage that they could perform "acousticly" would be "Metal on Metal" from TEE. Changing the topic...How about Ralph's cycling? Is he still an avid cyclist? I used to race until I got sick from working with harsh chemicals. I hope to race again this summer after 5 years of intense allergies and digestive problems. Anyway has anyone seen the Techno-Bike Magazine article wrt Ralph as referred to in the book? Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #206 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #207 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 31 March 1995 Volume 02 : Number 207 Re: MIDI FILES UK Reissue of Kraftwerk CD's RE: UK Reissue of Kraftwerk CD's Re: musique concrete Saleslist ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:59:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: MIDI FILES Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA > > > > I finally found some time to start Digitizing Kraftwerk songs into MIDI > format. I've decided to tackle the Computer World album first. Unfortunately > this is a daunting task. After 4 hours of work I've managed to Midize the > first minute of the song Computer World. (Now I know why KW albums take so > long to make) All of the intertwined "chippy" sequences played deep in the > mix are very difficult to discern however with lots of patients, it is > possible. When I finish this song I will be glad to send it to anyone > wanting it. I am composing it around the General Midi FM synth engine > of a SoundBlaster type sound card but anyone with MIDI knowledge can > easily adapt the data to other synth engines. > > I invite anyone else to join in. Eduardo Macan of Brazil is hard at work > on some songs from TEE and MM. Can these MIDI files be used with the Atari-ST and my Kbd ? Or just played on a SoundBlaster ? Either way I would like them if pos - via e-mail or ftp (if they are too large our mail system will bounce them). Thanks, Rich. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 17:30:53 PST Subject: UK Reissue of Kraftwerk CD's Really-From: laurie@art-deco.demon.co.uk Dear All, Capitol are re releasing on CD (Computer World for the first time) the following; Man Machine Radio Activity Computer World The Mix UK Release date is 18th April 1995. See 'Q' magazine for re-review of the albums, which I understand are at a lower than usual price. P.S. This Kraftwerk Unplugged comes from a comedy sketch on TV in the UK where there are these two guys walking around an empty TV studio with the caption underneath saying The Orb on MTV Unplugged. Ho Ho Ho Regards Laurie ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:09:50 +0800 (U) Subject: RE: UK Reissue of Kraftwerk CD's Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >Capitol are re releasing on CD (Computer World for the first >time) the following; >Man Machine >Radio Activity >Computer World >The Mix Laurie, Any details on how they are being remastered? Just wondering if they are going to pump out copies or if they are going to use some real high end technology and care with the remastering process. Unless they sound noticeable better than the original Capitol or Warner/Electra releases there's no sense in getting them (if you already have them that is). Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 22:40:23 +0100 Subject: Re: musique concrete Really-From: me3tomjo@ikm.his.se (Tommie =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6nsson?= ) Shane J Wims: >Can someone give me a good definition of Musique Concrete (as mentioned in >Pascal Bussy's KW book) > wolfram@vpro.nl answered, and mentioned: >Nowadays, there are some composers (especially in and around France) who feel inspired by the old Musique Concrete. Most of their music is unfortunately rather dull, but there are also a few good contemporary composers on Musique Conrete. Luc Ferrari is an example of someone who has brought the original ideas of Musique Concrete to a higher level=8A< If you are interested in Musique Concrete in the context of today, there is an article in "Hotwired", (at http://www.hotwired.com/Ren2.0/Soundz/Concrete/). It's about how composers of today (among them, Luc Ferrari) has taken the ideas of Musique Concrete into the nineties. You might find it interesting. Tommie Joensson me3tomjo@ikm.his.se Tommie Joensson Me3tomjo@ikm.his.se ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 22:16:16 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Saleslist Really-From: bombuzal My new saleslist is ready now. Those who did not ask one yet (or did not get one yet) can ask one at bombuzal@xs4all.nl It contains lots of very interesting CD and Vinyl items. Peter. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #207 *******************************