From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #83 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 1 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 083 Cars, Autobahn etc. Re: List problems Re: Cars, Autobahn etc. Bootlegs/cleopatra Cars.. KW & Electronic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:52:38 -0600 Subject: Cars, Autobahn etc. Really-From: Gregor B Rochow I was reading around in ann old list digest (I have only been subcribed for a short time) and saw the discussion of cars . . . sorry to warm "that one" up again, but 1. I heard somwhere, that they (at least in the 70s) used to drive black Mercedes' (and in the digest I read from varios people that they drive VWs) Any specific info on that one? 2. Somebody said the car sounds in the beginning of Autobahn come from a VW. Not only does it not at all sound like any VW, it actually sounds exactly like my fathers '59 MB 180 Diesel, so I think it probably is an old MB Diesel. (the sound is even more distinct on the Mix-version of Autobahn) (actually, even the door closing sounds like it.) 3. A guy called Gabriel Yedid (eMail address was missing, or I would have written to him) included the following in a message: >OH, and by the way: there is NOTHING to suggest that the car they are >driving in on the front cover is a VW Beetle. The car IN FRONT of theirs >is a Beetle, but, juding by the dash design and headlight shape on theirs, >I think it's a Mercedes, like the one passing them on the other side of >the road. I only have the CD version of Autobahn, but I have seen the Album before. I don't remember the front cover being a view out of a car (although the perspective and position of the viewer suggests it), i.e. I didn't see any dashboard or Hood with headlights. Can somebody telll me what all that's about? Thanks for any info. - -Benedikt ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:02:28 -0600 Subject: Re: List problems Really-From: Gregor B Rochow Does anybody have the snailmail or email address of Cleopatra ? (I heard their bootlegs weren't all that good, but it appears they might be somewhat reachable, as opposed to smaller bootleggers, of which I can locate none - and I'd really liek to get the pre-Autobahn albums.) - -Benedikt ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 20:13:50 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: Cars, Autobahn etc. Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > I was reading around in ann old list digest > (I have only been subcribed for a short time) > and saw the discussion of cars . . . Well, the discussion was before my time as well... :) (Welcome, BTW) > 2. Somebody said the car sounds in the beginning of Autobahn > come from a VW. Not only does it not at all > sound like any VW, it actually sounds > exactly like my fathers '59 MB 180 Diesel, so > I think it probably is an old MB Diesel. > (the sound is even more distinct on the Mix-version of Autobahn) Agreed. It's a diesel Merc. I'd stake quite a bit on it. > (actually, even the door closing sounds like it.) *laugh* True > I only have the CD version of Autobahn, but I have seen the Album before. > I don't remember the front cover being a view out of a car > (although the perspective and position of the viewer suggests it), > i.e. I didn't see any dashboard or Hood with headlights. > Can somebody telll me what all that's about? Older versions of the album cover featured the dashboard. Newer versions has it "painted out" with another stretch of road, just like the CD. The really funny thing about the dash is the rear-view mirror, in which you can see the four members of the group. Turn the (old version of) the album around, and there's a photo on the back of the four of them in the rear seat. And they look *very* different from their later image. I bought the old version album just for that piccie... :) - -- Johann Johann Visagie | Tel: +27 21 887 1822 | Email: jvisagie@active.co.za Active Systems | Fax: +27 21 887 1829 | Commercial Internet Provider ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:14:29 -0600 Subject: Bootlegs/cleopatra Really-From: Gregor B Rochow (sorry 'bout the incorrect subject last time) Does anybody have the snailmail or email address of Cleopatra ? (I heard their bootlegs weren't all that good, but it appears they might be somewhat reachable, as opposed to smaller bootleggers, of which I can locate none - and I'd really like to get the pre-Autobahn albums.) - -Benedikt ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 14:50:49 EST Subject: Cars.. Really-From: rivera@USCN.BITNET (Enrique Rivera, Pre-Engineer at Columbus College) Hiya.. All 4 of them in the rear seat? That can't be a VW.. :) LowLife rivera%USCN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 20:15:07 GMT-0600 Subject: KW & Electronic Really-From: jpunaro@next-hgo.hgo.itesm.mx ( Jorge Punaro) Since I missed some days of reading this list, I can't be sure if this was in discussion before, if yes, sorry for the waste of time.... Just found on the Erasure Mailing list: >Electronic already have (and have had) an album complete, and even >filmed a video for "The Forbidden City" over a year ago. The first single >is supposed to be due out in the UK early next year. There might be some >delay in release now though because last I heard Electronic might be >switching to a smaller label like ZTT. Anyway the album does not feature >any guest appearances by any Pet Shop Boys, but Karl Bartos and Wolfgang >Flur (of Elektric Musik, formerly of Kraftwerk) helped out on the LP. And this other one from the same list: >The lineup for the next album is Sumner, Marr, Karl Bartos (of Kraftwerk) >and I think a few more cameos by Denise Johnson. Ya Kid K is supposed to >have a number on the album too, but I don't know if that ever >materialized. They've apparently finished production of the first >single, called "Forbidden City" or something, and I guess it just needs >to be remixed (an 808State mix would be really cool, if you ask me). The >album keeps getting pushed back, and I heard late winter/early spring >sometime. > >Dat's what I've heard, thus far, on alt.music.synthpop and elsewhere. Saludos Jorge ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #83 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #84 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 2 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 084 Leading Edge Re: Leading Edge Trans-Slovenia Express my first experience with Kraftwerk US tour ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 13:20:43 BST Subject: Leading Edge Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" Hi, Just a quick thought - If Kraftwerk were at the cutting edge of music and technology in the 70's and 80's, who is at the cutting edge now? - -ShaneJ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:50:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Leading Edge Really-From: Richard Ingram > Hi, > Just a quick thought - > > If Kraftwerk were at the cutting edge of music and technology in the 70's and > 80's, who is at the cutting edge now? > > -ShaneJ It has to be Future Sound Of London, they do radio broadcasts via dual ISDN links to the studio ! They certainly know how to combine computer graphics and sound ! Also any of the ex-members of Tangerine Dream, Klause, Chris, Paul, they all have major studios and like experimenting. Maybe even Electrik Music/LFO/Kraftwerk, but who can say unless we see them release some stuff. Bye, Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 11:16:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Trans-Slovenia Express Really-From: Wisp I _finally_ got _TSE_ a couple of days ago... it got shipped home instead of here at college. Anyway, I can't stop listening to it. There's this strange attraction that a thrash-guitar "Robots" has for me, as well as some very nice more traditional techno remakes. I was wondering if anyone has info on the various bands that appeared on _TSE_ or knew of ways to get some. Thanks much! (*----------+--------+--------------------------------*) (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) (*----------+--------+------+----------------+--------*) (* Computational Math major | Albion College | Senior *) (*--------------------------+----------------+--------*) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 94 13:31:22 EST Subject: my first experience with Kraftwerk Really-From: ricjoly@telegraph.com (Richard Joly) Hi everyone, I have been lurking here for a little while so I thought, as others did, to share memories of discovering Kraftwerk. I first heard Kraftwerk, I believe, on the radio. Guess it must have been Autobahn playing in a short version, somewhat as a gimmick/novelty record. As for their records, well, at least their weird sleeves (for KW1 and KW2), I had seen in my local import/head shop, the place where I'd shop for glam-rock imports from the Uk and Europe. Oop, glam-rock, that sure ages me ! I recall their cover art seemed so stark, besides stuff like the Hypnosis school of sleeve design popular back then and also cover art for early Genesis, Gentle Giant, Lindisfarne , or more artsy groups like Mott the Hoople, Roxy, Carmen. etc. The very first time I REALLY heard their music, it was the RADIOACTIVITY album, being played at deafening volume in our local sport arena, as (for lack of better term) opening "act" for Bowie's Station to Station tour. This was followed by a projection of Salvador Dali and Luis Bunuel's Un Chien Andalou, a classic of the surrealist film-school repertoire. And then Bowie came onstage, all dressed in black and white, with an all white all neon light show ! It was memorable and in retrospect, I dont think anyone could have chosen a better/more powerful introduction to the KlingKlang masters. Strangely enough, the sound was not usually all that good in that place, but that evening it was LOUD (think : not ambient and you'll understand) and the music so incredibly different, even ALIEN sounding...I remember thinking " This is so great...I'd never be able to listen to this at home it's too weird". Anyways, I got a copy of the album but I guess what they were achieving did not kick in until I got hooked on their TransEuropeExpress opus. Back then, in clubs, this record would drive people crazy with glee, at 5:00 am. Must have been the drugs the disco generation was so generously ingesting back then. Out here in Montreal, we were considered freaks to enjoy/dance to this kind of stuff in clubs I'd go to. This probably dates back to the same time Afrika bambatta and the New York art-post-punk Soho crowd got into mixing electronics with dance stuff. When Man Machine got released, Ralf and Florian came to town on a promo tour. I met them in a hotel lounge with assorted other "scene" people. They were very polite to everyone, but one could see that they really felt a bit embarassed by the shebang, The P.R. guy pestered them with stupid acting out suggestions like posing in fake robot poses for photographers and with requests for autographs (seriously). Poor them... they had no choice but to say yes. That's how I got a copy of my Man Machine lp signed by both of them. I never had the chance to see them live. The only time they played here, I had left some ten days before to study in Berlin. When I arrived in my Studenten Haus, I discovered Kraftwerk had played the town the previous week end. Scheisse! And of course their last scheduled appearance here...was cancelled when the last north-american tour fell thru. Someday... Now : my favorite Kraftwerk song : BoingBoumTschak off Electric Cafe (sorry I dont own the record, so I cant verify the exact title) I love the absurdity of the concept, Kraftwerk at their most dadaesque : machines imitating people imitating machines. It's the one Kraftwerk song I catch myself singing (well, * I * call *it* singing) in the oddest places & at the oddest moment. Would love to hear Zap Mama do a cover of that one ! (Zap Mama is acapella group from Belgium; they do great *synth* sounds live.) BTW : is Electrik Musik public presence on the up-swing or what ? The group is introduced in the latest issue of WIRED mag. The very short article mentions ESPERANTO, and their work with samplers. Boring & maybe unconsequential PR. from Atlantic Records or an sign that the guys will come to America soon ? Peace Richard Joly ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:51:23 -0600 Subject: US tour Really-From: Gregor B Rochow I heard the "cancelled US tour" mentioned several times here. Does that refer to the '91 tour? Why was it cancelled? (I remember seeing an article about KW in a Cologne newspaper in early '91, and it mentioned upcoming tours in Germany (after I was scheduled to have moved to the US) and the US (before my moving there) - I never could find anything about the concert in '91 music mags around here - - is it because THAT ONE was cancelled ??) - -gbr ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #84 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #85 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 3 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 085 Re: my first experience with Kraftwerk Wanted: autobahn LP reviews Re: Viability of bootlegging first albums on bootleg CDs Re: Trans-Slovenia Express Re: Leading Edge Re: Cars, Autobahn etc. Re: Bootlegs/cleopatra Re: Trans-Slovenia Express Re: Bootlegs/cleopatra Re: Autobahn Tour and Cars Re: Trans-Slovenia Express ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 11:58:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: my first experience with Kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: ricjoly@telegraph.com (Richard Joly) Thanks Richard for sharing with all us your "early" KW memories. Not many people can speak about the R.Activity period! > The very first time I REALLY heard their music, it was the > RADIOACTIVITY album, being played at deafening volume in our > local sport arena, as (for lack of better term) opening "act" for > Bowie's Station to Station tour. You can read about that in the MM&Music book. Weird they "toured" as the opening act like that! Jose pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 12:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Wanted: autobahn LP reviews Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) It's the second time I post this, as there are now some "early" kw people on the list. I am looking for ORIGINAL press LP reviews for a possible article for Aktivitaet. If you have these, or photocopies, get in touch please at my personal address. Thanx. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 12:14:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Viability of bootlegging Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU > I've heard discussions of bootlegging and related issues here before. I > have to wonder, though, how the bootmakers stay in business. .. > (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) Just because nobody takes legal actions against the bootleggers. There are very few main bootleg makers, 2 or 3, but nobody seems to care about this. Only recently, Phil Collins brought to court to some people for selling or making bootleg CDs. Of course Phil won the case. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 12:10:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: first albums on bootleg CDs Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Beware there are 2 or 3 DIFFERENT versions of the early KW albums on CD now, all bootlegs, even though some look like official ones. Quality may vary, so have a listen if you can before parting with your money. I in fact bought the Tone Float CD and found very different prices for this and the other CDs. Don't buy the first one you see. Shop around. I payed 2000 pts for that one (= 15 $). Jose pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 12:17:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Trans-Slovenia Express Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Wisp > > Anyway, I can't stop listening to it. There's this strange attraction that > a thrash-guitar "Robots" has for me, as well as some very nice more > traditional techno remakes. > (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) I don't like this one much. The thrash guitars on Robots and Man Machine I can't stand at all. These are just covers. I can't see the relation to kw. The more traditional techno versions are much better. In all, I like far more the Balanescu Quartet CD than this one. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 11:47:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Leading Edge Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Richard Ingram > > > If Kraftwerk were at the cutting edge of music and technology in the 70's and > > 80's, who is at the cutting edge now? > Maybe even Electrik Music/LFO/Kraftwerk, but who can say unless we see them > release some stuff. I think they are at the leading edge. Maybe they don't release material but they *are* working. They've worked in the design of both software and hardware to make electronic music. There's some interesting info on this in the latest issue of Aktivitaet. Jose pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 11:43:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Cars, Autobahn etc. Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > > sorry to warm "that one" up again, but > 1. I heard somwhere, that they (at least in the 70s) > used to drive black Mercedes' > (and in the digest I read from varios people that they drive VWs) > Any specific info on that one? Yes. In the MM&Music book there's info on this. They changed their cars as they were more sensitive to the environmental problems. There's some more info about Ralf's mercedes. And yes, it is true. I saw it with my eyes. They now drive *small* VWs. Jose pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 11:50:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bootlegs/cleopatra Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > Does anybody have the snailmail or email address of Cleopatra ? > > (I heard their bootlegs weren't all that good, Wait a second. BOOTLEGS FROM CLEOPATRA ????? They are supposed to be a subsidary co. of Capitol, so I doubt there are bootlegs from cleopatra. They only release, re-release and re-re-release the Capitol period stuff. Jose pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:12:20 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: Trans-Slovenia Express Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > I don't like this one much. The thrash guitars on Robots and Man Machine > I can't stand at all. These are just covers. I can't see the relation > to kw. The more traditional techno versions are much better. Agreed. I skip past Robots and Man Machine when I listen to TSE. Airwaves is a nice cover. And Neon Lights - now that is an interesting (different!) cover. - -- Johann Johann Visagie | Tel: +27 21 887 1822 | Email: jvisagie@active.co.za Active Systems | Fax: +27 21 887 1829 | Commercial Internet Provider ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:08:08 -0600 Subject: Re: Bootlegs/cleopatra Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > > Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > > > Does anybody have the snailmail or email address of Cleopatra ? > > > > (I heard their bootlegs weren't all that good, > > Wait a second. BOOTLEGS FROM CLEOPATRA ????? They are supposed to be > a subsidary co. of Capitol, so I doubt there are bootlegs from cleopatra. > They only release, re-release and re-re-release the Capitol period stuff. > See? That's why I am asking this stuff - I'm rather confued about the issue :) - -Benedikt ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 17:11:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Autobahn Tour and Cars Really-From: John Mccall Richey The VW Kaefer used in the 1975 tour was an older, possible early sixties model. It is however true that they drove black Mercedes in the early years. I think now they just ride their bikes. I have a source of information on this topic which I will pursue. JMR ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 17:00:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Trans-Slovenia Express Really-From: "Lisa R. Larribeau GITANE Jonathan B. Klinkroth" > > > I don't like this one much. The thrash guitars on Robots and Man Machine > > I can't stand at all. These are just covers. I can't see the relation > > to kw. The more traditional techno versions are much better. > Gee, I found Man Machine to be quite humorous! It's so anti-kraftwerk, so anti-beautiful-noise. I figured the guys that did it just had a good sense of humor! Still, I'd have to say my favorite cover is the cover of neon lights (which, by the way makes me laugh as well). They are both just so incongruous w/ the original versions. That is probably why i like them... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #85 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #86 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 4 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 086 The Model On TV Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #84 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:01:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: The Model On TV Really-From: Richard Ingram Hi all ! Good news again, last night UK Gold (SatTV, CatTV on ASTRA) showed a Top Of The Pops from 1982, and guess what ? Yep Kraftwerk were No 1 with The Model, I managed to get it on video, and if/when I get the kit I will make it into some gifs/mpeg movie clips. Hey what other months years did Kraftwerk have songs in the UK charts ? I could then look out for the relevent years in the Cable Guide. Its a good video with live footage of the guys on stage and the Black and White footage of The Models. Thats all folks, Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 94 08:27:30 EST Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #84 Really-From: sean Relating my first experience with Kraftwerk is easy..I used to browse those rec ord racks, and once when I was a lad of about thirteen, a horrific dayglo album cover called me. On the cover was a dummy terminal that seemed exactly like t he one my dad and I were building together (remember Heathkit?) The cover was so shockingly different from all of the other covers out then...I remember the others as a blur of Hot Chocolate Ohio Players and Parliament at the time. Y'k now lotsa of black girls smeared with honey and with large breasts. The Kraft werk cover spoke more to my aesthetic of stark electronic beats that was to be developed later. Suffice to say between them and Depeche Mode's first album al ong with the entire Cabaret Voltaire oeuvre I have been a beat freak ever since ....My favorite tracks from Kratwerk would have to be geiger counter and radioa ctivity....BTW I remember taking months to really begin to appreciate that Comp uter World album, NUMBERS was it!! ----Sean Henriques NYC ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #86 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #87 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 8 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 087 Electric Cafe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 18:09:02 BST Subject: Electric Cafe Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" Hi, Here's a question for long-standing Kraftwerk fans - What was your reaction to Electric Cafe when you first heard it? Personally, it's one of my favourite albums by anyone, but I only heard it for the first time a couple of months ago. I would be interested to here an "older" :) Kraftwerk fan's take on this. - -ShaneJ ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #87 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #88 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 8 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 088 Re: Electric Cafe Re: Electric Cafe Re: Electric Cafe Re: Electric Cafe Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #87 Electric Music - new album Elektric Music In Wired subscribe Re: Electric Cafe Kraftwerk FAQ V. 1.4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 09:49:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Electric Cafe Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" > What was your reaction to Electric Cafe when you first heard it? It is now one of my faves, also, but not when it was first released. That was some years ago! In november 1986 I noticed there was a new kw album, and of course I got it immediately, after the long wait that followed the C.World LP and the TdF single. It had been a very long wait! The first time I listened to it I didn't like it much. Of course it had sth. which made it sound as a kw album and could not be bad. I had to listen to it quite a lot of times before discovering the impressive album it is. On first listening, only one song sounded to me really good: T.Call. The nearest to previous kw stuff. Side 2 was by far closer to previous albums. The only thing that I liked from side 1 was the metallic sounds. It sounded to me rather industrial and heavy, you know what I mean? Boing B.T. was slightly better for me. After a few listenings, I realized what was in fact that album. An stunning piece of work. The complex interweaving of sounds on side 1, the vocal effects, ... This is not the album you would expect after C.World. A difficult one to get into after having listened to songs like Numbers, C.Love, P.Calculator... The version performed live at the 1991 concerts of Musique non stop is even better than the original studio version. Incredible. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:58:07 -0500 (CST) Subject: Re: Electric Cafe Really-From: "Stephen M. Jones" > Hi, > > Here's a question for long-standing Kraftwerk fans - > What was your reaction to Electric Cafe when you first heard it? I was disappointed, although I did like "Der Telefon Anruf" off of the 12" single. I can compare it to hearing "THE MIX" .. that was a disappointment .. > Personally, it's one of my favourite albums by anyone, but I only heard it for > the first time a couple of months ago. really? well .. try AUTOBAHN. .KJOB ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 09:55:00 BST Subject: Re: Electric Cafe Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" >> Personally, it's one of my favourite albums by anyone, but I only heard it for >> the first time a couple of months ago. >really? well .. try AUTOBAHN. >.KJOB I have. Very impressive, but from a different era. - -ShaneJ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 13:25:35 MET Subject: Re: Electric Cafe Really-From: Rassay Krisztian > > Really-From: "Stephen M. Jones" > > > Hi, > > > > Here's a question for long-standing Kraftwerk fans - > > What was your reaction to Electric Cafe when you first heard it? > Love at first sight. It's my best album. If I hear 'Kraftwerk', I think of this album. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 94 08:47:51 EST Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #87 Really-From: sean Man...I remember the first time I checke out Electric Cafe...The shit blew me a way...at the time those samples (synclavier?) were so clear..those voices those concepts ...I couldn't get enough of it..I listened to it in my car, in the ho use, in the walkman....Dig that chick speaking spanish with Ralf (??) Those guy s had another valuable piece to the oeuvre of electronic music. Being into seq uencing myself, I had to take notice of the flow of the music...it was eerie. Almost organic yet we know its all tick tock machine music.....Kraftwerk to me has always been about blurring the boundary between a person and his or her to ols.... my humble .02 peace and dub sean ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:59:53 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Electric Music - new album Really-From: Does anyone know when the new album will be released? When I spoke with Lothar at the Arvika festival, he told me that the new album would be released sometime late this autumn. I also heard from Paul Wilkinson that they were doing the final mixing about a month ago, but I haven't seen or heard anything from the usual sources. /anders - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:43:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Elektric Music In Wired Really-From: Richard Ingram Hi ! In November Wired there is a snippet on one of our favourite groups, yep they talk about Esperanto. I will type in the 50+ words later this afternoon. Bye, Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:35:23 -0400 (AST) Subject: subscribe Really-From: Greg Tiller would like to join the list.. thanks - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Greg Tiller, Tiller@is.dal.ca [[]] !ABSTRACTI0N [[]] Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada - -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:24:50 EST Subject: Re: Electric Cafe Really-From: rivera@USCN.BITNET (Enrique Rivera, Pre-Engineer at Columbus College) Hiyaz! Well, I must say, the first time I heard EC, I had mixed feelings about it. I felt like sides 1 and 2 should've been switched.. :) Side 1 is much like one huge long track instead of 3. I guess I thought it was too slow or something. It wasn't what I'd call a "song" I guess - just a long series of repeated samples.. However, when I flipped to the other side, I was absolutely blown away. The Telephone Call has remained one of my favorite songs of all time. I really loved the complex beats and the synthetic string arrangements. The syncopated beats at the beginning of TTC I thoughtwere astounding, and I find them just as moving today. It's one of the few songs from that era that can still be played effectively in clubs today. Sex Object and Electric Cafe I thought were great, as well. It's too bad that was the last original work they ever put out. Despite that, I still say The Mix is the album I listen to most. I just feel they really did a good job of improving their catalogue on that album - especially the songs from Computer World. I must admit, I prefer the older version of Radioactivity, though. :) The only time I ever play Computer World anymore is when I want to hear Numbers. I prefer the newer versions of all the other songs. Perhaps it's because I'm a bit of a late bloomer as a KW fan.. I didn't really start appreciating music until the mid 80's. Later, LowLife ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 94 03:15:02 GMT Subject: Kraftwerk FAQ V. 1.4 Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) A few significant points have changed since the first release of the FAQ, so I think it's appropriate to mail this new version to the list. In particular, please note that there is no longer a USA distributor for 'Aktivitaet'. - ---- FAQ follows ---- THE KRAFTWERK FAQ LIST V. 1.4 8th November 1994 Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Kraftwerk prepared by Kevin Busby for the Kraftwerk mailing list. Many thanks to Jose Garcia for suggestions and corrections. Please send any corrections to kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk. % % [Changes since V. 1.0 are marked "%"] CONTENTS {} Introduction {} What subjects may be discussed on the list? {} What recordings have Kraftwerk made? {} What are the best Kraftwerk albums? {} How can I get copies of Kraftwerk's early albums? {} Is 'Tour de France' available on CD? {} Are the Francois Kervorkian and William Orbit remixes of 'Radioactivity' available on CD? {} Has Kraftwerk broken up? {} When will Kraftwerk release new material? I heard there was a new album coming out. {} Why did Fluer and Bartos leave Kraftwerk? What are they doing now? {} Who are 'Elektric Music'? {} Where can I find out more about Kraftwerk and Elektric Music? {} What are the ordering details for the Kraftwerk book? {} What is 'Aktivitaet'? Where can I obtain copies? {} I heard a version of a Kraftwerk song played on classical instruments; who was it by? {} What other cover versions are there of Kraftwerk songs? {} What equipment is used by Kraftwerk? {} How good are Kraftwerk bootlegs? {} What are the politics of Kraftwerk members? {} Was Kraftwerk's Florian Schneider involved with the musical projects 'Alice in Wonderland' or 'Solaria'? {} Were Ralf and Florian behind the group 'Die Dominas'? {} What Kraftwerk videos have been made? {} Concert reviews. {} What other groups are of interest to Kraftwerk fans, or have had links with Kraftwerk? {} How do I unsubscribe from the list? % {} Miscellaneous subjects. {} Introduction Here are some answers to questions which are often asked about Kraftwerk. Please read the answers before mailing to the email list, in order to avoid repeating questions unnecessarily. However, don't be afraid to discuss old topics if you have something new to add. The answers are kept brief, but if you want to read past discussions for further information, these are indicated by the volume number followed by the issue number, so that, for example, "2.008" means digest volume 2, number 8. If you are a new member of the Kraftwerk email list, you may also find it worth your while to read back-issues of the digests, particularly those which have been posted after the date of this version of the FAQ list. Remember that back-issues and other interesting items % can be obtained via anonymous FTP from the site ftp.uwp.edu; just type % "cd kraftwerk" to get to the main Kraftwerk directory. % {} What subjects may be discussed on the list? List maintainer Dave Datta originally suggested that the list be "a forum for discussions about Kraftwerk and other German Electronic artists." However, the general consensus was that discussion should be limited to matters relating to Kraftwerk. Of course, that still leaves many things we can discuss, and there is in addition much discussion about groups with members in common with Kraftwerk, notably Elektric Music. Every bit as important as what you discuss is how you discuss it. Flame wars have been thankfully rare in the list, but those which have occurred have not been helpful to anyone. {} What recordings have Kraftwerk made? See the Kraftwerk discography for an extensive list of Kraftwerk releases. The discography was started by Dave Datta but is now maintained by Lazlo Nibble . It is available by anonymous FTP from the site xmission.com, in the directory /pub/users/lazlo or from the site ftp.uwp.edu, in the directory /pub/artists/kraftwerk (if you need help with anonymous FTP, consult your local documentation or support staff). There are gaps in the discography; if you have additional information, please email them to Lazlo. {} What are the best Kraftwerk albums? A poll conducted by Lars Nellemann in digest 1.204 indicated that as at November 1993 the favourite album among list members was 'The Man-Machine', followed by 'Computer World'. This result was in accordance with a poll conducted by Jose Garcia eight months earlier (digest 1.037). Opinions about Kraftwerk's best work differ, of course: a minority of list members prefer the sound of Kraftwerk as heard on their first few albums, and opinions as to the worth of Kraftwerk's most recent two albums, 'Electric Cafe' and 'The Mix', vary greatly. Note also that the sound quality of Kraftwerk releases are of variable quality across the record companies on which they have appeared. The rerelease of Kraftwerk recordings on the Cleopatra label gave rise to discussion in digests 2.008, 2.009, 2.012, 2.014 and 2.018. Past digests have contained reviews, recommendations, comments on sound quality and other information about the following official Kraftwerk releases:- 'Autobahn' album 1.132, 1.329 'Computer World' 1.305. 1.306, 1.307 'Electric Cafe' 1.149 'Kraftwerk 1' 2.016 'Kraftwerk 2' 2.016 'Radio-Activity' 1.006 'Radio-Activity' 1.079 'The Best of Kraftwerk' 1.284 'The Man Machine' album 1.134, 2.009, 2.018 'The Model' 1.358, 1.359, 2.009 'The Model - Retrospective 1975 - 1978' album 1.063, 1.251 {} How can I get copies of Kraftwerk's early albums? The first three albums by Kraftwerk, 'Kraftwerk 1', 'Kraftwerk 2' and 'Ralf & Florian' are out of print, as is 'Tone Float', the album which Huetter and Schneider recorded as part of the group 'Organisation' (digest 1.06 and 1.100). Huetter and Schneider have allegedly talked about seeing these albums released (digest 1.007), but have certainly not rushed to do so. Possibly this is because the image and sound of these albums is very different from the Kraftwerk material which followed. You may be lucky enough to find copies from usual second-hand sources, such as second-hand record shops, record fairs and record collecting magazines. Bootleg CD's of 'Kraftwerk 1', 'Kraftwerk 2', 'Ralf & Florian' and % 'Tone Float' appeared during 1994. See digests 1.354, 1.360, 1.365, 1.366, 2.023, 2.025 and 2.085 for discussions about these releases. These % issues are of course illegal and no proceeds will reach anybody involved in the making of the original recordings; see digests 1.143, 1.328, 1.329 for discussions on the morality of bootlegging. {} Is 'Tour de France' available on CD? The single track 'Tour de France' was scheduled to appear on the Kraftwerk album 'Technopop'. However, this album was cancelled. Some material from 'Technopop' was reworked and appeared on the album 'Electric Cafe', but 'Tour de France' was not among them. The track was later used in the film 'Breakin'' (aka 'Breakdance'), but the CD soundtrack of the % film contains a cover version of the track, Kraftwerk having decided to release a remix of their song as a single (digest 1.084). However, besides appearing in various forms on bootleg remix CD's, the track is now available on the compilation CD 'DJ's Best', catalogue number 261281-222, distributed by BMG in Germany (digest 1.245). {} Are the Francois Kervorkian and William Orbit remixes of 'Radioactivity' available on CD? Kervorkian and Orbit remixes were issued on CD single releases in the UK and Germany, but there was no CD single release for the USA. Furthermore, some Wiliam Orbit mixes are available only on vinyl. Radioactivity is available in the USA as a 12" single; this release contains the 'William Orbit Hardcore Remix' which is unavailable elsewhere. Another unique mix is the 'William Orbit 7" Remix', which is available only on the German 7" release. See the Kraftwerk discography for more information on releases of this song. {} Has Kraftwerk broken up? No. Members Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Fluer left the group, which continues primarily as a duo of original members Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider plus additional musicians they see fit to employ. There are occasional indicators that Kraftwerk is to continue as a group, such as news of planned live appearances and a new album. {} When will Kraftwerk release new material? I heard there was a new album coming out. There are persistent reports of a new Kraftwerk album. See for example digests 1.211, 1.212, 1.280, 1.365 and 1.366. The attitude of seasoned Kraftwerk fans to such reports is "Interesting, but I'll believe it when I see it!" {} Why did Fluer and Bartos leave Kraftwerk? What are they doing now? It appears that Wolfgang Fluer and Karl Bartos were frustrated by the slow pace of work within Kraftwerk and their enforced decline of participation within the group's activities (see Claude Bussy's book 'Kraftwerk: Man, Machine and Music' and digest 1.156). Karl Bartos now works with Lothar Manteuffel as Elektric Music. Wolfgang Fluer's activities have not been so well documented; there was even a widespread rumour that he had died (digest 1.079). In reality, he had returned to working as a graphic designer. He is now also working with a new musical project called "Jamo" (digest 1.311). {} Who are 'Elektric Music'? Elektric Music are Karl Bartos (formerly of Kraftwerk) and Lothar Manteuffel. The sound of the group is very much in the mould of Kraftwerk, but how well Elektric Music compares to Kraftwerk is a matter of personal opinion. Given the continued low profile of Kraftwerk and the enthusiasm of Karl Bartos to work with other artists, discussion of Elektric Music has become increasingly prominent in the list. Discussion has taken place about the following Elektric Music's releases:- 'Crosstalk' CDS digests 1.001, 1.013, 1.016, 1.028 'Esperanto' CD digests 1.089, 1.079, 1.164, 1.171 'Lifestyle' CDEP digest 1.204 'TV' single digests 1.025, 1.041 {} Where can I find out more about Kraftwerk and Elektric Music? A discography, past issues of the email list digest, pictures and other material relating to Kraftwerk are available by anonymous FTP from the site ftp.uwp.edu, in the directory /pub/artists/kraftwerk (if you need help with anonymous FTP, consult your local documentation or support staff) Anders Wilhelm has constructed some extensive pages for the World Wide Web available at the following URL:- http://www.cs.umu.se/tsdf/kraftwerk/ % These can be accessed using Mosaic or, for terminals without graphic capability, lynx. If you do not understand what is meant by terms such as "URL", "Mosaic" and "lynx", consult your local documentation or support staff. A Kraftwerk and Elektric Music convention takes place annually in the UK (digests 1.003 and 1.028) and there is also a Kraftwerk fanzine, 'Aktivitaet', which is highly regarded by Kraftwerk fans (digests 1.010, 1.028, 1.140, 2.024). For a book on Kraftwerk, read Pascal Bussy's 'Kraftwerk: Man, Machine and Music' (digests 1.110 and 1.118). This book contains many suppositions and also some inaccuracies but is nevertheless to be recommended as essential reading for the Kraftwerk enthusiast. {} What are the ordering details for the Kraftwerk book? Pascal Bussy's 'Kraftwerk: Man, Machine and Music' should be obtainable through any good bookshop. Failing this, it can be ordered direct from the publishers:- SAF Publishing Ltd. 12 Conway Gardens Wembley Middlesex HA9 8TR England The ISBN number of the book is 0 946719 09 8. {} What is 'Aktivitaet'? Where can I obtain copies? 'Aktivitaet' is a consistently well-produced magazine about Kraftwerk and Elektric Music, edited by Ian Calder. It is available from the editor at the following address:- Ian Calder 108 Cummings Park Crescent Northfield Aberdeen AB2 7AR Scotland Remember to enclose a stamped addressed envelope (SAE) if writing to enquire from within the UK, and an International Reply Coupon (IRC) from elsewhere. Aktivitaet is available within Germany and Spain from the following national distributors (remember to enclose an SAE when enquiring):- G. Poecker Jose Garcia Corral % Maerkerwaldstr. 3 Apartado 108 % 64625 08202 Sabadell % Bensheim Barcelona % GERMANY SPAIN % (email 0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de) % {} I heard a version of a Kraftwerk song played on classical instruments; who was it by? The Balanescu Quartet recorded five Kraftwerk songs ('The Robots', 'The Model', 'Autobahn' 'Computer Love' and 'Pocket Calculator'), arranged for string quartet, as part of their album 'Possessed'. The album is on the Mute label and can be obtained via any good record shop, in the UK and USA at least. The catalogue number of the CD is Mute 61421-2 for the US release and CD STUMM 111 for the UK release. See digests 1.058, 1.063 and 2.023 for discussions. {} What other cover versions are there of Kraftwerk songs? Besides The Balanescu Quartet, there have been many acts who have recorded cover versions of Kraftwerk songs. 'The Model' has been a particularly popular song to cover (see for example digest 1.12). Recently there has been much discussion of the album 'Trans Slovenia Express', a collection of Kraftwerk cover versions by Slovenian bands. This album, which was originally scheduled for release (with some different tracks) under the title 'Kraftwerk Through the Looking Glass' % is available on the Mute label. See digests 1.192, 1.211, 2.015, 2.024, 2.026 and 2.048 for discussions. % A discography of Kraftwerk cover versions appeared in digest 2.073. % The latest version will be available from the Kraftwerk archives at % ftp.uwp.edu in the near future. % {} What equipment is used by Kraftwerk? Information about Kraftwerk's equipment appears in digests 1.10, 1.12 and 2.005 (various), 1.013 (UK tour, early stuff) and 1.156 (Computer World tour). More information is always welcomed on the list. {} How good are Kraftwerk bootlegs? There are many, many Kraftwerk bootlegs available; the Kraftwerk discography aims to list these as well as official Kraftwerk releases. The contents of bootleg recordings of Kraftwerk material range from concert recordings to unsanctioned dance remixes. The sound quality varies enormously. Past digests have contained reviews, recommendations, track listings or other information about the following bootleg releases:- Computers in Love 1.034, 1.037 Computer World (Live in London) 2.055 % Heute Abend 1.012, 1.013, 1.094, 1.161, 2.026, % 2.027 Hyper Cerebral Machine 1.162 Koeln 12.6.1971 1.041 Koeln 71 1.067 Kraftwerk 1 (bootleg rerelease) 1.354, 1.360, 1.365, 1.366, 2.023 Kraftwerk 2 (bootleg rerelease) 1.354, 1.360, 1.365, 1.366, 2.023 Live Koeln 71 1.034, 1.070 Live at PhilpsHalle 1.272 Live in Belgium 1.162 Live in Cologne 1975 1.044 Machine 1.068 The Man-Machine Re-Created 2.015 N1 to Zurich 1.021, 1.056, 1.066, 1.132, 1.171 Nippon Numbers - see 'Numbers', of which this is a rerelease. Numbers (aka 'Nippon Numbers', 'Virtu Ex Machina') 1.034, 1.053, 1.056, 1.075, 1.093, 1.119, 1.173, 1.054, 1.056, 1.093, 1.098, 1.171, 1.058 Ralf & Florian (bootleg rerelease) 2.023, 2.026 % Rebuilt in '92 1.014, 1.034, 1.056, 1.066, 1.068, 1.240 The Remix 1.098, 2.023, 2.024, 2.025 Return of The Mensch-Maschine/ 20th Anniversary Tour 1.048 Rimini Rimini 1.034, 1.075 Tone Float (bootleg rerelease) 2.020, 2.023, 2.025 Traffic Jam on Autobahn 1.240 Ultra Rare Tracks 1.218 Virtu ex Machina - see 'Numbers', of which this is a rerelease. {} What are the politics of Kraftwerk members? Kraftwerk are not known to have adopted any party political stance. It has been suggested occasionally that their concentration on machines reflects Nazi or otherwise fascist views. There is no evidence to support such speculation. Regrettably discussion of this subject on the digest was badly handled by some participants and degenerated quickly into a flame war (digest 1.149 onwards. An earlier, flippant discussion took place in digest 1.003). It has been suggested that confusion may have occurred with the band Stoerkraft (digests 1.204, 1.205). Many of Kraftwerk's songs show an interest in the ramifications of technology, but issues are normally dealt with in an ambivalent fashion. The one notable exception to this has been the new version of 'Radio-Activity' and Kraftwerk's subsequent appearance at a benefit opposing the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing plant (digest 1.081). {} Was Kraftwerk's Florian Schneider involved with the musical projects 'Alice in Wonderland' or 'Solaria'? No, that was another Florian (digest 1.125). {} Were Ralf and Florian behind the group 'Die Dominas'? No, but they did inspire the 10" mini-LP 'Ich bin a Domina', for which they wrote two chords and designed the sleeve! Here's part of a magazine interview with Ash Ra Temple's Manuel Gottsching (taken from 'Dreams % World', issue 11). You can read more about this release in digest 1.130, % and descriptions of the music can be found in digests 1.003 and 1.083. 'Die Dominas' were two old friends of mine. They are my long time friend Rosi, who also performed on some Ash Ra Tempel records (...) and Claudia Skoda for whose fashion shows I have been composing and performing most of the music since 1976. They knew KW from Duesseldorf because they often went there together for fashion fairs. Ralf H. and Karl B. wrote down two special chords for them on a piece of paper: the "sub Domina" and the "Domina seven" (Domina = dominant) chords. Later in Berlin they were asking me to show them how these chords sounded. So, one evening when we were doing a nice long session together in my studio, I played them these chords. I explained a little about the instruments in the studio, and they started experimenting with them, without knowing that I was already recording the session! It was really a hilarious session, and the voices sounded like we were having a party. The next day, I started re-mixing the material, and finally got three titles out of it! Claudia and Rosi were so impressed with the result they played it to Ralf and Karl. They were so taken by the recording they offered to make the cover for the album. It turned out to be a very nice cover that looked like a silhouette in black and yellow." {} What Kraftwerk videos have been made? Descriptions of Kraftwerk's promotional videos can be found in digests 1.016, 1.018, 1.076 and 1.139. Despite strong interest from fans, these have never been officially released. The only officially available video appearance of Kraftwerk is on 'Stop Sellafield - The Concert'. This includes footage of Kraftwerk performing 'Radio-Activity' and 'The Robots' live, but both extracts are incomplete and interrupted by propaganda. (Digests 1.079 and 1.323) {} Concert reviews. Reviews have been written for the following concerts:- Balanescu Quartet, 19th April 1993, Paradiso, Amsterdam, The Netherlands (1.69) Elektric Music - 5th May 1994, Stockholm, Sweden (1.319) Elektric Music - May 1994, Copenhagen, Denmark (1.320, 1.322) Kraftwerk - 17th July 1991, The Edinburgh Playhouse, Edinburgh Scotland (1.025) Kraftwerk - 8th Nov. 1991, sala Zeleste, Barcelona, Spain (1.024) Kraftwerk - 26th May, 1993 Groningen, The Netherlands (1.087, 1.094) {} What other groups are of interest to Kraftwerk fans, or have had links with Kraftwerk? There is no one group which finds favour with all Kraftwerk fans (not even Elektric Music!). A discussion of groups that arguably sound like Kraftwerk appeared in digests 1.381, 1.383 and 1.384. But the only thing that can be generally agreed upon is that Kraftwerk has been a massive influence upon contemporary music. Here's a list of some of the artists which have been discussed in the digests. Some have historical or anecdotal links with Kraftwerk, but most have no relation. Air Liquide 1.084 Aphex Twin 1.384 Autechre 2.018, 2.020, 2.021, 2.023 Aviador Dro 1.386 David Bowie 1.057, 2.018, 2.031, 2.084 % Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft 1.383, 1.384 Die Dominas 1.003, 1.083, 1.130 La Dusseldorf 1.005 Electronic (planned work with Karl Bartos) 1.156, 1.207, 2.083 % Manuel Gottsching 1.130 Information Society 1.140, 1.142, 1.205, 1.207 Michael Jackson 1.156 Joy Division 1.269 LFO 1.055, 1.207 New Order 1.269 Klaus Nomi 2.018 Laibach 1.192, 2.024, 2.048 % Mobile Homes (work with Karl Bartos) 1.244 Neu! 1.003, 1.005, 1.067, 1.070, 1.143 The Nits 1.327 Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark 1.193 Recoil 1.147 Rheingold 1.016 Wolfgang Riechmann 1.171 Michael Rother 1.139, 1.143, 1.171 Sinus (Karl Bartos + Bodo Staiger) 1.016 Spacelab 1.384 Spirit of Sound 1.149, 1.171 Tangerine Dream 1.384, 2.046 % Technocrats 1.237 Tin Machine 2.031 % Trauma 1.235 UB40 1.079 Yellow Magic Orchestra 1.383, 1.384 {} How do I unsubscribe from the list? % % If you receive the list as direct mail, rather than in digests:- % % Send email to Majordomo@cs.uwp.edu with no subject line and just the % following as the message:- % % unsubscribe kraftwerk
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% % For example:- % % unsubscribe kraftwerk-digest huetter@klingkling.org.de % % Do NOT send subscription requests to the Kraftwerk list itself; they will % not be responded to positively. % {} Miscellaneous subjects. The following subjects have arisen in past digests, with varying degrees of relevance. Fernando Abrantes 1.016 Ages of Kraftwerk members 1.164, 1.169, 1.170, 1.84 Karl Bartos 1.066 - role in KW 1.156, 1.161 - appearance at drum workshop 1.351 Cars driven by Kraftwerk members 1.354, 1.355, 2.083, % 2.085 % Cancelled 1991 US tour 1.374, 1.375 'Dentaku' (song) 1.144 'Die Roboter' (single) 2.020 Experience (cancelled appearance, England) 1.294, 1.311 First meeting of Huetter and Schneider 1.070 Fritz Hilpert 1.016 Ralf Huetter (interview) 2.005 Influences on Kraftwerk 2.048 % 'Information' (song, version planned by Elektric Music with LFO) 1.055, 1.207 Kling-Klang studio 2.005 El Lissitzky 1.095 Machines, Kraftwerk's attitudes towards 2.005 Membership statistics 1.028, 1.037, 1.111 Merchandise 1.025 MOD files 2.006, 2.017 Muzak 2.005 'Radioaktivitaet' (single) 2.020, 2.023 'Radioactivity' (single) 2.023 Remixes by Elektric Music 1.045, 1.057 Removing stickers 1.065 Rights to Kraftwerk recordings 1.007, 1.066, 2.014 'Rueckstoss Gondelero' (Kraftwerk track) 1.139, 1.143, 1.147, 2.026 % Florian Schneider 1.079 - interview 2.048 % Emil Schult 1.156 Sex, Kraftwerk's attitude towards 1.083 Solidarity (Polish union) 2.005 'Technopop' (cancelled Kraftwerk album) 1.125, 2.024 'The Telephone Call' (12") 'Truckstop Gondelero' (Kraftwerk track) % - See 'Rueckstoss Gondelero' % Vocoders 1.020 -oO Fin Oo- ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #88 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #89 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 10 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 089 New release due Friday Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #88 Re: Electric Cafe RE: Electric Cafe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:20:53 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: New release due Friday Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> According to a sales person at World Of Music, Frankfurt, a new Kraftwerk single is out on Friday; on-sale on Monday in this shop. (Information taken from EMI new relase list) The release is "Tour De France" No details on cat.no. and formats in germany. I'll post any details I can get until then... cross your fingers, altogether!!! Gunther ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:39:34 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #88 Really-From: majortom@muc.de (Michael Wesemann) In kraftwerk-digest V2 #88 sean wrote: > Almost organic yet we know its all tick tock machine music.....Kraftwerk to > me has always been about blurring the boundary between a person and his or > her tools.... Yes, Kraftwerk is all machine music, but KWs art is a very superior handling of the machines. The reason why it sounds so organic I think is that (apart from the ingenious sound-construction) KW have always used grooves applied to their sequences and percussion, long before this became fashion (and possible, due to new tools like Cubase or Notator) in modern dance music. These grooves are of a very sophisticated type, especially on The Mix, but also on songs like Man Machine or Metropolis - a discovery you make, when trying to copy a KW song or just the rythm of it. BTW my all-time favourite KW song is the long version of Autobahn with that wonderfull Moog-Bass line, closely followed by the live version recorded 1981 in Utrecht (Netherlands) on the Computertour Bootleg, with before unheard musical improvisation and some very unexpected lyrics! mw ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 94 15:04:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Electric Cafe Really-From: Keseru Imre Electric cafe??? The Telephone Call was the first Kraftwerk song I ever heard, and it was the song which made me love the band. And after several years hearing the tunes of one of the songs on Electric CAfe my heartbeat is getting faster. Keseru Imre H330513@huszeg11.bitnet ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 09 Nov 1994 11:51:54 +0000 (U) Subject: RE: Electric Cafe Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." 'The telephone call' is my favorite on Electric Cafe as well. If that song doesn't move you you're either deaf or dead. It's best heard with MAXIMUM volume and lots of clean Bass. Ahhh Kraftwerk! Nobody else even comes close. Lon Freeman#m#_Lon_C#d#@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #89 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #90 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 11 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 090 Favourite Song on The Mix. Re: Elektric Music - new album New Guy Germanphone Releases Re: Germanphone Releases Re: Germanphone Releases Re: Germanphone Releases The Mix ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 01:31:17 PST Subject: Favourite Song on The Mix. Really-From: swatch@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Brian Plume) Hello again. Since everyone seems to be talking about The Mix lately, I thought I'd throw in my $.33 and say that MY favourite song off that ablum would have to be "Boing Boom Tschuk", becuz I LOVE it when they go OFF right in the middle of the song with all the voice samples. Gives me chills every time. Brian Do you have anything in common with me? Here's what I like: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-= Volkswagens Art of Noise Pepsi Porsches Kraftwerk Johnny Rockets German language Depeche Mode The Cure Girls (16-26) Public Enemy Computers/Electronics Rave/Techno Music Vans(tm) Shoes Swatch watches Classical music Beethoven Albert Einstein Benjamin Franklin R & B/Soul Music Merrie Melodie Toons Keith Haring Neuspeed Equipment Roland Synthesizers =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Internet: Swatch@pro-nsdapple.cts.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:45:20 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Elektric Music - new album Really-From: Dennis Logemann Hi anders! (I'm quoting your mail) >Does anyone know when the new album will be released? When I spoke with >Lothar at the Arvika festival, he told me that the new album would be released >sometime late this autumn. >I also heard from Paul Wilkinson that they were doing the final mixing about >a month ago, but I haven't seen or heard anything from the usual sources. In June Karl Bartos also told me that the new album would be released in this year's autumn. At that time he did the mixing for it. The only extra fact he mentioned is that the album will contain ten tracks. Unfortunately he didn't tell me the name of either the album nor the tracks, because he wasn't sure about them. And, I also haven't seen or heard anything more about it... - -- DeLo eMail to: Dennis.Logemann@ARBI.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.De "Wenn man schon keine Ideen hat, dann sollte man das auch ausnutzen." (Karl Bartos, Drum-Workshop in Neuss, 11.06.94) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 10 NOV 94 08:05:30 EST Subject: New Guy Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA I just found out about this forum and quickly joined. Kraftwerk's music is my favorite and I'm trying to get more. I am also interested in the technology used by them. I've seen some of their videos and have many of their CD's. Unfortunaly my wife melted my "Tour de France" 45 on a heater. I've recently bought "Ralf and Florian" on CD and saw "Kraftwerk1" and "Kraftwerk2" also. Here are some questions: 1. Last April, Kraftwerk played in England. Does anyone know if they performed new material? 2. Are there outtakes from "The Mix" available? Did they redo other songs? 3. Germaphone Records recently re-released early Kraftwerk on CD. Are there plans to release "Telekinetic", and rare 45's? Even "Tour de France" on CD would be nice. 4. Would anyone be willing to send me live or rare songs on cassette? 5. Can someone send me a list of synths used by Kraftwerk? That's enough for now. I'm sure once I read the archieves I'll catch up. Isolated in Eastern Canada Philip Pilgrim Halifax, Nova Scotia (902) 835-7844 ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 10 NOV 94 12:28:09 EST Subject: Germanphone Releases Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA I'll have to check on the release info of the Kraftwer CD's by Germanphone. When I recently visited "Dutchies" record store in Montreal, I saw "Ralph and Florian", "Kraftwerk1" and "Kraftwerk2" as well as "ManMachine"( with a different jacket from the one we all know) on CD. Since my friend has an original UK 2 LP set of Kraftwerk1 and 2; I bought the "Ralph and Florian". It had lots of liner notes with this distastful comic thing. I guess it was standard fare in the early '70's. A photo/picture of Dusseldorf? with alterations including a pasted antenna was also included. The songs on the "Man Machine" were the same so I didn't buy it. It may have been live but it wasn't mentioned on the case. <<<< Are there any synth bands as tasteful and melodic as Kraftwerk?>>>>> <<<< I like Vince Clark but not the Vocals on any Yaz or Erasure>>>>>>>>> <<<< I like Dave Stewart also and most Eno which I've heard however>>>>>> <<<< most recent House,Rap,Trance,Acid,Techno that I've heard sounds>>>>> <<<< thin, childish, mono-tone (maybe 2), and boring with too much>>>>>>> <<<< drums. Can anyone recommend any new tasteful groups?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<< The single "Television" was great but the album mix was terrible.>>> <<<< Also, I didn't realize that it was an OMD album!!!! What's next,a>>> <<<< Pet Shop Boys/Electric Music cd???>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philip Pilgrim ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:05:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Germanphone Releases Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA > > <<<< The single "Television" was great but the album mix was terrible.>>> > <<<< Also, I didn't realize that it was an OMD album!!!! What's next,a>>> > <<<< Pet Shop Boys/Electric Music cd???>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Don't jest it could be true !!! I thought there was a CD by Electronic which is New Order/PSBs ? Its true some tracks on Esperanto sound very OMD ish, to much for my liking, some tracks are near KW though !! Bye, Richard. Hey is Tour De France on release in the UK as a CD single ? Was that rumour of the release true ? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:56:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Germanphone Releases Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) >> What's next,a Pet Shop Boys/Electric Music cd??? > > Don't jest it could be true !!! I thought there was a CD by Electronic which > is New Order/PSBs ? Electronic is not the same thing as Elektric Music. Electronic is Bernard Sumner (New Order) and Johnny Marr (The Smiths and elsewhere); Pet Shop Boys have helped out on a few tracks but they aren't bandmembers. > Its true some tracks on Esperanto sound very OMD ish, to much for my liking, Well, that'll happen when Andy McCluskey of OMD cowrites and sings on them. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:53:14 BST Subject: Re: Germanphone Releases Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" >> Its true some tracks on Esperanto sound very OMD ish, to much for my liking, >Well, that'll happen when Andy McCluskey of OMD cowrites and sings on them. Only one track sounds excessively OMD to me..... - -ShaneJ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Mix Really-From: CRUBIO@ACC.FAU.EDU I have to agree with Brian... "Boing..." is one of the best... although, for my money, "Home Computer" is a close second. Not just the sound but the concept... I wish they had done a remix of "The Telephone Call"...! Carlos ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #90 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #91 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 12 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 091 UPDATE ME RE: Favourite Song on The Mix. Re: UPDATE ME Fav song on "The Mix" RE: Favourite Song on The Mix. Re: Favourite Song on The Mix. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 11 NOV 94 12:07:15 EST Subject: UPDATE ME Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA What are Kraftwerk up to? Are they still a group? Have there been any concerts since spring? Are the two dudes in the Sellafield video significant? Who did the percussion on the Mix. Ralph and Florian or did Wolfgang and Karl do any before leaving? What CD singles were released along with the MIX besides the Robots? Does anyone on this forum do synthetic music besides myself? Philip Pilgrim ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 10:30:26 PST Subject: RE: Favourite Song on The Mix. Really-From: brady@Onramp.NET Hey, do I have a different Mix? Keine <> on mine (this is the CD adorned with plastic torsos, robot arms and KW heads w/ copyright of 1991... - -- Jim Brady PS (Xclnt sig, Brian.) > >Hello again. Since everyone seems to be talking about The Mix lately, I >thought I'd throw in my $.33 and say that MY favourite song off that ablum >would have to be "Boing Boom Tschuk", becuz I LOVE it when they go OFF >right in the middle of the song with all the voice samples. Gives me >chills every time. > >Brian >Do you have anything in common with me? Here's what I like: >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- =-= >Volkswagens Art of Noise Pepsi >Porsches Kraftwerk Johnny Rockets >German language Depeche Mode The Cure >Girls (16-26) Public Enemy Computers/Electronics >Rave/Techno Music Vans(tm) Shoes Swatch watches >Classical music Beethoven Albert Einstein >Benjamin Franklin R & B/Soul Music Merrie Melodie Toons >Keith Haring Neuspeed Equipment Roland Synthesizers >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - -=-= > >Internet: > >Swatch@pro-nsdapple.cts.com > > > > > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:57:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: UPDATE ME Really-From: Richard Ingram > What are Kraftwerk up to? Hopefully releasing a remix of Tour De France today ! > Are they still a group? Well two are > Have there been any concerts since spring? Mmmm don't know sorry. > Are the two dudes in the Sellafield video significant? Pass ;-) > Who did the percussion on the Mix. Ralph and Florian or did > Wolfgang and Karl do any before leaving? Pass ! > What CD singles were released along with the MIX besides the > Robots? Radioactivity > Does anyone on this forum do synthetic music besides myself? What do you mean do synthetic music ? Play synths, lay tracks out with midi and sample own sounds/voices on PC etc. I suppose thats what you mean, well I have had a go at playing keyboards and sequencing - did get a pretty good track out, considering the keyboard was crap (not a proper synth). Oh has the Tour De France CD single been released then or was it just another rumour ? Bye, Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 16:16 CET Subject: Fav song on "The Mix" Really-From: pivic@skom.se (Niklas Pivic) I can't decide wether it's "Autobahn" or "Radioactivity". The playing with the voices in the first one is perfect. Kraftwerk's sense of harmony is great! When they played the song on tour (this happened in Sweden, at least), the starting of the car in the beginning was prelonged, because the car wouldn't start. ;) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 11:06:19 PST Subject: RE: Favourite Song on The Mix. Really-From: brady@Onramp.NET >Hey, do I have a different Mix? Keine <> on mine (this >is the CD adorned with plastic torsos, robot arms and KW heads w/ copyright >of 1991... > >-- Jim Brady > Hey, do I have my memory reprogrammed? I just played The Mix while handling email, and it got around to Music Non-Stop. Boing! Entschuldigen Sie mir, bitte! - -- Jim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:47:28 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Favourite Song on The Mix. Really-From: Jonas Carlson > > Really-From: brady@Onramp.NET > > Hey, do I have a different Mix? Keine <> on mine (this > is the CD adorned with plastic torsos, robot arms and KW heads w/ copyright > of 1991... Ah, well that's because the song is called "Music Non Stop"... -Jonas- __o __o __o __o Jonas Carlson _`\<,_ _`\<,_ _`\<,_ _`\<,_ d0cop@dtek.chalmers.se (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) Tel. +46 (0)30020132 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #91 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #92 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 13 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 092 How Many? Tour de France Re-Release Re: New Guy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 NOV 94 05:34:11 EST Subject: How Many? Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Does anyone know how many people are on this Kraftwerk Forum? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 NOV 94 10:21:08 EST Subject: Tour de France Re-Release Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Has anyone heard or seen thisnew disk yet? How many songs/versions are on this disk? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 94 00:01:34 GMT Subject: Re: New Guy Really-From: Kevin Busby In kraftwerk-digest V2 #90 PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA wrote:- >I just found out about this forum and quickly joined. Welcome... >have many of their CD's. Unfortunaly my wife melted my "Tour de France" >45 on a heater. For a laugh. >:-) >1. Last April, Kraftwerk played in England. Does anyone know if > they performed new material? In fact they didn't even get to play old material, since the event they were due to appear at was cancelled. It was said that they might play live later that summer, but, Kraftwerk being Kraftwerk, they didn't! >5. Can someone send me a list of synths used by Kraftwerk? The FAQ has the following pointers:- :{} What equipment is used by Kraftwerk? : :Information about Kraftwerk's equipment appears in digests 1.10, 1.12 and :2.005 (various), 1.013 (UK tour, early stuff) and 1.156 (Computer World :tour). More information is always welcomed on the list. Regards kevinb - -- Decisions, decisions... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #92 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #93 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 15 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 093 New release ? Brian Plume Re: New release due Friday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:33:28 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: New release ? Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Well, the promised new release did not appear in any shop in germany up to now. (monday morning). I still have some hope, though, as the news I posted about this release was some information from an actual EMI new release list. Regularly, german CD's are shipped Fridays, sold on Mondays... but, sorry, due to two days off, I can't post any news before Thursday. If there is no release in the shops, I'll try to get information why there is no release. (And this would be most typical for Kwerk, as we all know.) But: on a well-known german electronic/alternative radio programme, there was a news bit that Kwerk are readying a Mix 2 album for immediate release and also have an album of new material ready, also soon to be released. This is based on rumour, to be sure, but this programme is usually well-informed. So, maybe, I'll be listening to a new disc this afternoon. But, maybe not. Gunther ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Brian Plume Really-From: CRUBIO@ACC.FAU.EDU I would like to comment about an up-and-coming musician whom I feel is worthy to continue the Kraftwerk legacy. His name is Brian Plume, and he has been very heavily influenced by Kraftwerk as well as Art of Noise, Depeche Mode, and others. The Kraftwerk influence is evident in many of his songs... in fact some of his songs are an attempt to pay homage to those pioneers of synthetic music. He blends many crisp, synthetic sounds inspired by Kraftwerk with his own creative and fresh melodies and textures. I think anyone who enjoys Kraftwerk will find Brian's work quite enjoyable - a worthy attempt to pay homage to our favorite electronic band. Although he is reluctant at this point to release his music for critical review, I really feel his work should be heard by those in the Kraftwerk newsgroup - true devotees. Anyone interested in hearing a sample of Brian's music can send a blank audio tape, along with $1.00 (one U.S. dollar) to cover postage, to: Brian Plume 14042 Chestnut Hill Lane San Diego, CA 92128 Any questions or comments may be sent to Brian via e-mail to: SWATCH@PRO-NSDAPPLE.CTS.COM Enjoy! - - Carlos Rubio CRUBIO@ACC.FAU.EDU ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 08:02:09 -0100 Subject: Re: New release due Friday Really-From: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se > Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> > According to a sales person at World Of Music, Frankfurt, a new > Kraftwerk single is out on Friday; on-sale on Monday in this shop. > (Information taken from EMI new relase list) > The release is "Tour De France" > No details on cat.no. and formats in germany. > I'll post any details I can get until then... cross your fingers, > altogether!!! I went to a local record store yesterday (Monday) and asked one guy there. He didn't know anything about this so he called EMI Sweden and asked. Unfortunately they hadn't heard anything about it either. So until proven othervise this is probably just another rumour :-( But EMI said that TdF would appear on a compilation that is being released in Denmark soon and due in Sweden quite soon (It will be called something like "Best of the seventies" (strange that KW:s contribution will be a tune released in '83???) > Gunther /jorgen ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #93 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 16 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 094 Re: New release due Friday Tour De France Number What is going on with Kraftwerk? Tour de France Re: Tour de France Sisters of Mercy sorta tribute to KW Re: Tour de France Tribute Album Re: Tour de France Re: Tour de France Re: Tour de France Re: Tour de France Re: Tour de France ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:11:34 GMT Subject: Re: New release due Friday Really-From: Andrew Thorn The single has been out for a week accross here. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:14:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Tour De France Number Really-From: Richard Ingram Hi ! Anyone in the UK got the CD number for Tour De France ? I still can't beleive it until I see it ! I'm popping upto my local CD outlet tommorrow morning to see ! Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 14:01:14 GMT Subject: What is going on with Kraftwerk? Really-From: Shaun D Morrow The last I heard about Krafwerk, they had split up and two of them have started their own band. Is this true ? Also, it's rumoured that they are rereleasing their entire back catalogue, can someone verify this pleeese! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 15:21:14 +0100 Subject: Tour de France Really-From: Keseru Imre Hey anything more about TdF? Anyone whoever gets it send info to the list please...I'm getting excited about it. Bye, Keseru Imre h330513@huszeg11.bitnet ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:09:10 GMT Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: Andrew Thorn Look mate i told you its been out in the uk for a week! OK ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 10:19:23 EST Subject: Sisters of Mercy sorta tribute to KW Really-From: richard@dgbt.doc.ca (Richard Paiement) I was just reading in a recent Goldmine that The Sisters of Mercy called their May 1985 European tour 'Trans Europe Excess', no doubt in reference to KW's TEE. Just thought I'd add this in, since I never heard of it before. Richard ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:47:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: Richard Ingram > Look mate i told you its been out in the uk for a week! OK > Ok then what is it like ? How many tracks ? Not exactly a fount of info ;-) We want info not just someone saying its been out in the UK for a week, that does not help the others on the list who may not beleive the info ! Hey you guys on the continent can pop across to the UK now on the ole Euro Tunnel train straight to Virgin in Oxford Street and get it :-)) Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:04:56 GMT Subject: Tribute Album Really-From: Shaun D Morrow Is that Mute Records compilation Trasns Slovenian Express all cover versions of Kraftwerk songs then? I know some of them are. I heard the cover of Radioactivity and it wasn't quite as good as the original! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:43:25 -0600 Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > > Hey you guys on the continent can pop across to the UK now on the ole Euro > Tunnel train straight to Virgin in Oxford Street and get it :-)) No, I'd go to His Master's Voice instead. - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:42:24 GMT Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: Shaun D Morrow Yeuch, a mention of the Eurotunnel, how sad. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:19:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: Richard Ingram > Yeuch, a mention of the Eurotunnel, how sad. > Well considering that Kraftwerk have a song Trans Europa Express its quite apt really, and what is wrong with the Eurotunnel anyway ? Rich. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:06:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > Look mate i told you its been out in the uk for a week! OK So post the tracklist. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 19:58:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: Keseru imre On Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:47:07 +0000 (GMT) you said: >> Look mate i told you its been out in the uk for a week! OK >> > >Ok then what is it like ? How many tracks ? Not exactly a fount of info ;-) > >We want info not just someone saying its been out in the UK for a week, that >does not help the others on the list who may not beleive the info ! > Yep...I'm asking about it just because I don't have a single copy of the TdF maxi and I don't think I can get it in a few weeks here in Hungary. What's more I've never seen the original edition too... So would anybody who owns a copy describe it in details please. For the others who don't live in Britain and not even tthe other side of the Ch unnel. Keseru Imre h330513@huszeg11.bitnet ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #95 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 17 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 095 Re: Tour de France Re: Tour de France Re : The Eurotunnel and then some Re: What is going on with Kraftwerk? Tour de France ??? Re: Tour de France Re: Tour de France ??? New CAN Double CD Unsubscribe Re: Tour de France ??? 20 years on the autobahn Re: Tour de France ??? Re: Tour de France About TDF in the US Re: About TDF in the US Re: 20 years on the autobahn Re: 20 years on the autobahn Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:51:37 GMT Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: Andrew Thorn The best cover ive heard of Radioactivity was by Treponem-Pal....it coool! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:15:32 GMT Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: Andrew Thorn There a thirteen tracks on it! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:16:09 GMT Subject: Re : The Eurotunnel and then some Really-From: Shaun D Morrow I'm just waiting for the first disaster to happen... What other tracks did the Balenscu quartet cover then? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:25:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: What is going on with Kraftwerk? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Get the FAQ file! (Frequently Asked Question, that is it) Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:57:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Tour de France ??? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Andrew Thorn > Look mate i told you its been out in the uk for a week! OK It is really beyond me why you're assuring the new single has been out for one week and then YOU DON'T POST ABSOLUTELY ANY INFORMATION ABOUT IT !!!!! Perhaps you're not interested on this new single? Too bad then. You guys in the UK should have all got this single by now if that is true! Please post info!!! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:04:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: Richard Ingram Hi ! Well I went to my local CD store and asked about the KW single release and lo and behold they had not heard anything, they looked on there release papers and nothing for the next two weeks either. Note this was a small retailer not HMV or Virgin. So until the person who has the CD single can prove its out I fear they could be speaking rubbish. So again we ask give us the track list or the number and a desription of the cover ?? Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:20:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tour de France ??? Really-From: Richard Ingram Hi ! I fear we are being had by these two posters from the UK: cs2at@scms.rgu.ac.uk cs2sm@scms.rgu.ac.uk They look as though the are second year Computer Science students who have found a new toy ! C'mon post some useful info on the CD single if you have it ! Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:26:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: New CAN Double CD Really-From: Richard Ingram Hi ! Not sure if this should be here but CAN the Cologne based group have just released a 2 CD set, I think its a history of the group. Also LFO (the nearest thing to Kraftwerk - so Melody Maker say) have released a new CD single. More info when I go to Virgin at the weekend. Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 12:58:49 +0100 Subject: Unsubscribe Really-From: sv3terca@ida.his.se (Terje Carlsson) Please disconnect me from this list. I don't wanna be subsciber anymore... Thanx in advance Terje Carlsson ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:05:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tour de France ??? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Richard Ingram > ... > They look as though the are second year Computer Science students who have > found a new toy ! C'mon post some useful info on the CD single if you have it Besides, there are people subscribed to the list just for curiosity and do not have an special interest on kw. In other words: they don't have all the available albums and so on, which is ok, but... The first person that gets the new single (if true!) please post all the info. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:28:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: 20 years on the autobahn Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Have you realized this very same month, 20 years ago, the Autobahn LP was released? Amazing it was such a long time ago and it still sounds fresh and is one of kw most important songs. I'll use this message also to ask for help. Original press reviews of the Autobahn LP are needed for a possible article on Aktivitaet. It may also be good that the ones who were aware of the realease of the Autobahn single got in touch with me. If I'm not wrong, someone was already aware of the existence of kw by then! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:33:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tour de France ??? Really-From: Richard Ingram > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > > > Really-From: Richard Ingram > > > ... > > They look as though the are second year Computer Science students who have > > found a new toy ! C'mon post some useful info on the CD single if you have it > > Besides, there are people subscribed to the list just for curiosity and do not > have an special interest on kw. Yeah but when they post what looks like blatent bull about having the new single it starts to look dubious. > In other words: they don't have all the available albums and so on, which > is ok, but... Agreed BUT when they say they have the latest CD and will not reveal any info it does look a bit suspect don't you think ? > The first person that gets the new single (if true!) please post all > the info. Ditto ! Richard. PS any other stuff on this thread can go to my personal mail box and not the list. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:24:45 GMT Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: Shaun D Morrow I don't remember saying that I had the Kraftwerk single and I don't even speak to cs2at... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:18:18 -0500 Subject: About TDF in the US Really-From: jlara@world.std.com (John A Lara) So has Tour de France been released in the US? Anyone seen it? What record label is it on? jl John Lara INTERNET: jlara@world.std.com COMPUSERVE: >INTERNET:jlara@world.std.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:42:38 GMT Subject: Re: About TDF in the US Really-From: Andrew Thorn Someone is pullin' yer pisser mate! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:04:37 -0600 Subject: Re: 20 years on the autobahn Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > > Have you realized this very same month, 20 years ago, the Autobahn LP > was released? It wouldd really be great if one of the few owners of the original album (with the view into/out of the car) could scan the cover and have it shown on a KW WWW page somewhere. (or send it to me - I've got a bit of space on my WWW directory) - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:18:27 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Re: 20 years on the autobahn Really-From: > > Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > > > > > > Have you realized this very same month, 20 years ago, the Autobahn LP > > was released? > > It wouldd really be great if one of the few owners of the original album > (with the view into/out of the car) could scan the cover and have it > shown on a KW WWW page somewhere. (or send it to me - I've > got a bit of space on my WWW directory) > > > -gbr > The cover of the original album will appear on the Kraftwerk Infobahr URL: http://www.cs.umu.se/tsdf/kraftwerk/ tomorrow. /anders - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:14:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com I think the kicker on the TdF CD is whether they include all the remixes.. the U.S. vinyl version I have has a remix and a "French" version, I think. Oh, well..fingers crossed, I suppose. - - Subrata ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:14:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 Really-From: "Gerald E. Withers" Hi, I'm new on the list. I have just about everything from Kraftwerk (i think). Did anyone hear the new Electric Music (Karl Bartos)? - ------------------------------------////-------------------------------------- Jerry Withers Only Amiga //// A2000/100HD 030/882/5Mb 50Mhz 401 Euclid Ave \\\\ //// makes A2286 & VGA 100MB HD Syracuse N.Y. 13210 \\\\//// it A2230 Flickerfixer gewither@.mailbox.syr.edu \\\\//possible! 0S 2.1 ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #95 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #96 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 18 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 096 Re: 20 years on the autobahn Re: Tour de France NO new release RE: Tour de France Re: NO new release Re: Tour de France RE: Tour de France RE: Tour de France Re: 20 years on the autobahn KW in physics class Re: Tour de France Kraftwerk Video Disc, Equipment Re: Tour de France unsubscribe Re: Tour de France ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:09:06 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: 20 years on the autobahn Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: > > The cover of the original album will appear on the Kraftwerk Infobahr URL: > http://www.cs.umu.se/tsdf/kraftwerk/ > tomorrow. And the *interesting* photo on the back of the cover as well? :) (BTW, I've said it before and I'll say it again - Anders' KW home page is one of the best music sites you'll see on the Web! I've got a link to it from my personal home page, and I think that's the least that the rest of us with Webspace can do :) - -- Johann Johann Visagie | Tel: +27 21 887 1822 | Email: jvisagie@active.co.za Active Access | Fax: +27 21 887 1829 | URL: http://www.active.co.za ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:11:25 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: Andrew Thorn > > There a thirteen tracks on it! Is it just me or are these *@scms.rgu.ac.uk people not adding anything of value to the list, and probably even spreading misinformation? - -- Johann ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:34:28 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: NO new release Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> The new release didn't appear in germany. According to ales persons, the release has not been cancelled, it just wasn't in the mail. There is no explanation from EMI and now new release date. Whoever tells you that it's out in the UK is most probably wrong, as german Kwerk releases always appear first. Hopefully, something will appear, though - rumours are quite dense here in germany. If I get any new info I'll post it immediately (and I do not post unfounded rumours) Gunther ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 17 Nov 1994 09:07:39 +0000 (U) Subject: RE: Tour de France Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >> Really-From: Andrew Thorn >> >> There a thirteen tracks on it! >Is it just me or are these *@scms.rgu.ac.uk people not adding anything of >value to the list, and probably even spreading misinformation? >-- Johann It sounds like they're just yanking our cranks. When some official info comes out we'll know it. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:05:57 EST Subject: Re: NO new release Really-From: "Gerald Withers" > From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) > To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > Organization: Universitaet Mannheim VWL+Statistik > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:34:28 MEZ-1MESZ > Subject: NO new release > Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> First I would like to greet a fellow Mannheimer! Hallo wie gehts? > The new release didn't appear in germany. > According to ales persons, the release has not been cancelled, it > just wasn't in the mail. There is no explanation from EMI and now new > release date. What release is this? > > Whoever tells you that it's out in the UK is most probably wrong, as > german Kwerk releases always appear first. > > Hopefully, something will appear, though - rumours are quite dense > here in germany. If I get any new info I'll post it immediately (and > I do not post unfounded rumours) This isn't Electric Music is it? (Karl Bartos) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:01:33 EST Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: "Gerald Withers" Where did you get this CD and what is the order number of it? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:50:17 GMT Subject: RE: Tour de France Really-From: Andrew Thorn its out ya numptys! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:26:05 EST Subject: RE: Tour de France Really-From: "Gerald Withers" > From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) > To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:50:17 GMT > Subject: RE: Tour de France > Really-From: Andrew Thorn > > > its out ya numptys! Ok then. Is it a new CD or a re-hash of the ond stuff and what is it called. Give some real info here, thanks :) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:00:57 -0600 Subject: Re: 20 years on the autobahn Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > From kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Thu Nov 17 03:09:51 1994 > From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) > Sender: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > Subject: Re: 20 years on the autobahn > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:09:06 +0200 (GMT+0200) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] > Content-Type> : > text> > Content-Length: 757 > > Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > > > Really-From: > > > > The cover of the original album will appear on the Kraftwerk Infobahr URL: > > http://www.cs.umu.se/tsdf/kraftwerk/ > > tomorrow. > > And the *interesting* photo on the back of the cover as well? :) > > (BTW, I've said it before and I'll say it again - Anders' KW home page is > one of the best music sites you'll see on the Web! I've got a link to it > from my personal home page, and I think that's the least that the rest of us > with Webspace can do :) You are absolutely correct - I will include that link as soon as possible. - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:43:29 +0100 Subject: KW in physics class Really-From: Erik Knain Some time ago, I found use of KW when teaching in a physics class. I was=20 about to introduce a new subject for the students (about 17 years old),=20 namely Energy. I got an idea on how to give them an extraordinary=20 introduction to the subject: I copied "Die Stimme der Energie" from=20 Radioaktivit=E4t to tape. In the classrom, I put a stereo cassette player=20 under my desk. On top of the desk I placed a large, black instrument (Volt /= =20 ampermeter). When switched on, a red light turned on. Both the cassette=20 player and the box was connected to the same electricity output. When I=20 switched on the box, the tape was thereby started at the same time. Of=20 course, the students could only see the box, who started to speak in a loud= =20 and rusty voice: "Ich bin die Stimme der Energie...". They were startled! I= =20 don't think they ever forget this experience. Neither will I. - - Erik. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 17 Nov 94 15:16:00 GMT Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: rmb@cblph.att.com Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) >> Really-From: Andrew Thorn >> >> There a thirteen tracks on it! > >Is it just me or are these *@scms.rgu.ac.uk people not adding anything of >value to the list, and probably even spreading misinformation? They showed up on the 4AD list a bit ago acting much the same way. This is probably how they get their kicks... wheeeeee Rich... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:28:54 +0100 Subject: Kraftwerk Video Disc, Equipment Really-From: majortom@muc.de (Michael Wesemann) Some time ago I saw a catalog of Video Discs mentioning a Kraftwerk Disc (I think it was released in Japan). Of course I tried to get it (although I have no player), but failed to do so. Has anyone seen this disk - or got information on the contents? Btw on German TV there is a program about music history occasionaly repeated in one of the "3. Programs" (regional Stations) showing KW play in the Ruckzuck era, with long hair as on the back of the original Autobahn, and someone playing conventional drums. Has anybody by chance taped this? Also one note on the KW equipment, as discribed in an earlier mailing-list: On the cover of Ralf & Florian, the synth facing Florian is a EMS Synthi A. A very remarkable synthesizer released in 1969, which is still being manufactured. It is a "modular" synthesizer with a patch bay to connect the various modules. It has no keyboard but a joystick is used as controller. There is also a version mounted in a wood-cabinet (as apposed to the brief-case type case of the Synthi A) called "VCS 3" as used by Jean Michel Jarre (who probably used it for his wind and ocean sounds) and a small metal sensor type keybard available for it. I presume KW used it, among other things, on Autobahn to create the passing-by car effects. mw ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 17 Nov 94 15:16:00 GMT Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: rmb@cblph.att.com Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) >> Really-From: Andrew Thorn >> >> There a thirteen tracks on it! > >Is it just me or are these *@scms.rgu.ac.uk people not adding anything of >value to the list, and probably even spreading misinformation? They showed up on the 4AD list a bit ago acting much the same way. This is probably how they get their kicks... wheeeeee Rich... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 20:47:40 CST Subject: unsubscribe Really-From: yukoh@daldd.sc.ti.com (Yukoh Matsumoto) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 00:13:59 EST Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: rivera@USCN.BITNET (Enrique Rivera, Pre-Engineer at Columbus College) Look, it's obvious we won't be getting any info out of these guys.. Maybe if we just ignore them instead of patronizing them with questions, they'll go away... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #96 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #97 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 19 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 097 Weenies on the list Forwarded mail... The weenies again Re: Tour de France Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 Fresh Subject telephone call Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 Re: Fresh Subject Re: telephone call Re: Fresh Subject Re: telephone call Re: telephone call ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:19:00 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Weenies on the list Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: rmb@cblph.att.com > > >Is it just me or are these *@scms.rgu.ac.uk people not adding anything of > >value to the list, and probably even spreading misinformation? > > They showed up on the 4AD list a bit ago acting much the same way. > This is probably how they get their kicks... wheeeeee Heaven forbid that somebody should show them the bits of the net where you can *really* get to annoy people... ;> OK - bandwidth waste - that was my last word on *that* subject... - -- Johann ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:50:31 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Forwarded mail... Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) I just received the following: Forwarded message: > From scms.rgu.ac.uk!cs2at Fri Nov 18 12:45:58 1994 > From: Andrew Thorn > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:39:05 GMT > Message-Id: <199411181039.KAA00168@terminus.scms.rgu.ac.uk> > To: jvisagie@active.co.za > > Ye pisser has been pulled sonny! > Dare I suggest a little mail to root@scms.rgu.ac.uk? Or maybe just cat /vmunix | mail cs2at@scms.rgu.ac.uk oooooooooooooops! No... no... let's not be nasty now. ;> - -- Johann ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:36:39 GMT Subject: Really-From: Andrew Thorn Johann, Cant ya take a joke mate? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:42:58 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: The weenies again Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) I'm really sorry to be wasting everybody's time and bandwidth again, but I'm continuing to receive insulting mail from one of our @scms.rgu.ac.uk friends. I've got his userid - cs2at. What was the other person's login again? I'm about to mail their sysadmin a formal complaint. Pls email me personally so we can get this thread off the list. Tnx. - -- Johann ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 00:13:59 EST Subject: Re: Tour de France Really-From: rivera@USCN.BITNET (Enrique Rivera, Pre-Engineer at Columbus College) Look, it's obvious we won't be getting any info out of these guys.. Maybe if we just ignore them instead of patronizing them with questions, they'll go away... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:00:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 Really-From: Ricky Yu Lo Bootlegging::: Some titles of bootlegs. If anyone has any, please send a comment on the quality... The man machine recreated (Brand new unr. remixes) DC 42 CD The first DJ Edition DC 19 CD Kraftwerk Debut & Masterwork (w/ Bonus live version Ruckzuck) DC 59 CD Kraftwerk 2 (w/ Bonus Kometenmelodie) DC 59 CD Ralf & Florian DC 60 CD Enristree. Paris 81 MCH 1981 CD Non Stop. Stockholm 91 MX 7003 2 CD Live in Cologne 1975 SGRS 10 CD Tone Float DC 57 CD ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 18 NOV 94 15:26:50 EST Subject: Fresh Subject Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Changing the subject from the much anticipated new releases/re-releases from Kraftwerk.......How about some opinions on "Electrik Cafe?" I work in telecommunications and control satellites as well as antennas and undersea cables so I can really relate to most of their material (especially "Telephone Call").I think that this was a very creative song and use of sampling technology. (All of this recent "groove" sampling loops by modern Techno (yuck) bands pale by comparison) However, I do not understand how the song "Sex Object" made it on the album? The words are silly (even by Kraftwerks minimalistic lyric standards) the instruments sound like cheesy FM presets (Cello #46!!!!!!) The mood of this song is so dark and to follow this song by an equally dismal and thin song "Electrik Cafe" killed side B. With Kraftwerks fanatical high standards, I can not understand these two songs? Did they go through a heroin, drug stage, unproductive low like John Lennon or were they unable to quickly master their newer digital synths before commiting to album release? Also, has anyone heard kraftwerk outtakes? I've got some by the beatles which are interesting. Philip Pilgrim ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 20:01:21 BST Subject: telephone call Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" by the way, has anyone put a phone receiver up to the speaker when the tone dialling sounds are playing? - -ShaneJ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:26:47 -0600 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 Really-From: Gregor B Rochow Bootlegging::: > > Some titles of bootlegs. If anyone has any, please send a comment on the > quality... > > The man machine recreated > (Brand new unr. remixes) DC 42 CD > The first DJ Edition DC 19 CD > Kraftwerk Debut & Masterwork ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is tthat Kraftwerk 1 ? > (w/ Bonus live version Ruckzuck) DC 59 CD > Kraftwerk 2 > (w/ Bonus Kometenmelodie) DC 59 CD same number? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Ralf & Florian DC 60 CD > Enristree. Paris 81 MCH 1981 CD > Non Stop. Stockholm 91 MX 7003 2 CD > Live in Cologne 1975 SGRS 10 CD > Tone Float DC 57 CD > gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 21:27:22 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #94 Really-From: Jonas Carlson > Kraftwerk Debut & Masterwork > (w/ Bonus live version Ruckzuck) DC 59 CD > Kraftwerk 2 > (w/ Bonus Kometenmelodie) DC 59 CD > Ralf & Florian DC 60 CD > Non Stop. Stockholm 91 MX 7003 2 CD I'd recommend you to stay away from this one. The sound quality is quite poor. > Live in Cologne 1975 SGRS 10 CD This one isn't too bad, but the vinyl version is much better! (Maybe they made the CD from a different tape, or even from an LP) > Tone Float DC 57 CD I don't know about these releases, but the Germanofon versions of Kraftwerk, Kraftwerk II and Ralf & Florian is very good. At least as good as you can expect from an LP->CD conversion. BTW: Does anyone know if Germanofon has released Tonefloat on CD? -Jonas- __o __o __o __o Jonas Carlson _`\<,_ _`\<,_ _`\<,_ _`\<,_ d0cop@dtek.chalmers.se (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) Tel. +46 (0)30020132 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:29:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Fresh Subject Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > Also, has anyone heard kraftwerk outtakes? I've got some by the beatles > which are interesting. What's an outtake? ( I do not speaka da languadge zat weel) - -gbr > > Philip Pilgrim > ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca > ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:39:18 -0600 Subject: Re: telephone call Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > > Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" > > > by the way, > has anyone put a phone receiver up to the speaker when the tone dialling sounds > are playing? > > -ShaneJ > Never tried that, interesting idea. - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 21:36:27 +0000 Subject: Re: Fresh Subject Really-From: Colin Fraser > ... or were they unable to quickly > master their newer digital synths before commiting to album release? > I dont think kraftwerk ever did anything in a hurry, so that cant be it. I've never heard e.c. so I cant really say any more about it. They should make an official UK re-release of it tho' - I only ever see it on import at an inflated price - hence I've never bought it. Peace Cf ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:52:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: telephone call Really-From: "Lisa R. Larribeau GITANE Jonathan B. Klinkroth" cOn Fri, 18 Nov 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" > > > by the way, > has anyone put a phone receiver up to the speaker when the tone dialling sounds > are playing? > > -ShaneJ > > > Actually, that reminds me of a very funny story that I completely forgot about until you asked that question. Back when Electic Cafe first came out my husband recorded part of the Telephone Call onto our telephone's answering machine - the part with the touch tone dialing sounds and the line "the number you have called is wrong". When we played the message back to listen to it, the recorded segment caused our telephone to dial one of the phone numbers we had entered into its memory. Imagine our surprise at hearing one of our friends pick up the line! We played the message back a couple more times to make sure the tape was really causing it. It was the funniest thing - unfortunately we had to make a different message for our machine (we thought that line was so perfect for an answering machine). Anyone else ever have this experience? - Lisa Larribeau Gitane@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:32:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: telephone call Really-From: Jason J Kennerly On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > > > > > Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" > > > > > > by the way, > > has anyone put a phone receiver up to the speaker when the tone dialling sounds > > are playing? > > > > -ShaneJ > > > > Never tried that, interesting idea. > > -gbr > > The easiest way I know of to decode the numbers is to call a pager (your own or a friends) and then after the beep play the album... then hit the # key and wait for the numbers to show up on your pager. This also works on the Information Society HACK album, track 8 ("Hard Currency") which dials at around 39ms speed, too fast for most switching orifices (haha) but not for most pager services. ____ / \ __ _ __ _ < // | / \ / /\|\ | \_ //\_/_/\_/_/_/ | \/ / /| Fancy Signature File ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #97 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #98 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 19 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 098 Names -> picture Re: Names -> picture Undeliverable mail [multiple bounces deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:30:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: Names -> picture Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Soleil Lapierre) Hope I posted this the right way... I just realized I can't match up the names of the KW members to their pictures on the covers of TEE and MM. Can anyone tell me (for sure) who they are, left to right? Thanks. :) /* Soleil */ lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:54:53 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Names -> picture Really-From: Jonas Carlson > I just realized I can't match up the names of the KW members to their > pictures on the covers of TEE and MM. Can anyone tell me (for sure) who > they are, left to right? MM: Karl Bartos, Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider and Wolfgang Flur TEE: Flur, Bartos, Schneider, Hutter (Colour photo) TEE: Bartos, Schneider, Hutter, Flur (b&w photo) -Jonas- __o __o __o __o Jonas Carlson _`\<,_ _`\<,_ _`\<,_ _`\<,_ d0cop@dtek.chalmers.se (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) Tel. +46 (0)30020132 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #98 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #99 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 20 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 099 Undeliverable mail Germanofon-Releases Re: Names -> picture ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 19 Nov 94 06:15:00 EST Subject: Undeliverable mail [Bounce deleted] ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 13:01:00 MET Subject: Germanofon-Releases Really-From: Muegeli Thomas The thread abou the KW1, KW2, Organisation & Tonefloat CD's isn't that complicated as it might seem: The Catalogue numbers that were indicated in that post are from a certain catalogue from a big bootleg distributer in germany (right? the last issue was red, wasn't it?). Those folks do give new catalogue numbers to real bootlegs, I suppose (never found out about their system...). So it's most likely that you were discussing about the Germanofon-Releases (they did also Tone-Float). BTW Germanfon is from the same guys that made "N1 to Zurich" (N1, to tell the story once again, is the number of the "Autobahn" between Berne and Zurich, for all the non-swiss people here on the list!). I think "Nonstop" isn't that bad for a bootleg anyway, comparing for eample with "Heuteabend" (which i intersting for the selection of the songs). Talkingabout "heuteabend": on the CD "brixton academy" you can find the brixton concert in a more or less reasonable quality, which is far better than on the tracks on "Heute abend", IMVHO! Greetings from switzerland (still the only one from this country?) homas \\\\ ( o o ) ************oOO**(_)**OOo******************************************************* Thomas Muegeli * Universitaet Bern (HB9ONG) * Historisches Institut * Forschungsstelle fuer Regional- und Umweltgeschichte Kieswerkstrasse 47 * Uni Tobler (Lerchenweg 36, Zimmer S224) 3427 Utzenstorf * 3000 Bern 9 Switzerland * Switzerland * ++41 (+65) 45 13 89 * Phone: ++41 (0)31/631 48 03 Fax: ++41 (0)31/631 48 66 * Internet: muegeli@hist.unibe.ch * HEPNET/SPAN: 20579::49203::muegeli ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 00:46:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Names -> picture Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Soleil Lapierre) > > I just realized I can't match up the names of the KW members to their > > pictures on the covers of TEE and MM. Can anyone tell me (for sure) who > > they are, left to right? > MM: Karl Bartos, Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider and Wolfgang Flur > TEE: Flur, Bartos, Schneider, Hutter (Colour photo) > TEE: Bartos, Schneider, Hutter, Flur (b&w photo) I was right about Florian, but I mistook Karl for Ralf. :( Thanks very much. Much appreciated. /* Soleil */ lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #99 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 21 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 100 Re: Names -> picture Re: Names -> picture The Mix in Dolby Surround ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 94 21:38:14 PST Subject: Re: Names -> picture Really-From: brady@Onramp.NET >MM: Karl Bartos, Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider and Wolfgang Flur >TEE: Flur, Bartos, Schneider, Hutter (Colour photo) >TEE: Bartos, Schneider, Hutter, Flur (b&w photo) > Okay, now how about on the (back) cover of Computer World? - -- Jim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:03:42 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Names -> picture Really-From: Jonas Carlson > >MM: Karl Bartos, Ralf Hutter, Florian Schneider and Wolfgang Flur > >TEE: Flur, Bartos, Schneider, Hutter (Colour photo) > >TEE: Bartos, Schneider, Hutter, Flur (b&w photo) > > > > Okay, now how about on the (back) cover of Computer World? Back: Hutter, Bartos, Flur, Schneider. Front: Schneider, Flur, Bartos, Hutter EC: Flur, Hutter, Bartos, Schneider (clockwise from the top) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:48:02 +0200 (EET) Subject: The Mix in Dolby Surround Really-From: Jouko Antero Huhtala HI ! I just bought a Dolby Surround amplifier last week and I must say that listening The Mix with surround on is something that you should try. Especially Autobahn and TEE are awsome. Also William Orbit's remix of Radioactivity is great. And the question is: Anybody had same experiences? And the another question is: Anybody know other (non KW) CDs which sound as good as The Mix? Jokke, E-mail: jouko.huhtala@hut.fi ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #101 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 22 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 101 Re: The Mix in Dolby Surround Re: Spacial Effects Radioactivity Radioactivity Other good Dolby Surround albums Balanescu Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:27:39 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: The Mix in Dolby Surround Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: Jouko Antero Huhtala > I just bought a Dolby Surround amplifier last week and I must say > that listening The Mix with surround on is something that you > should try. > > Especially Autobahn and TEE are awsome. Also William Orbit's remix > of Radioactivity is great. > And the question is: Anybody had same experiences? Yes! I don't own a Dolby Surround decoder, but I'm fairly sure I can hear when a record has Surround encoding on it. I don't mean that I can hear actual surround sound (*grin*), I just think I can recognise when a recording has the encoding. I posted to this list once to ask whether this was true of the William Orbit remix (where I can clearly hear it with the "naked ear"), and some people replied that there was also a lot of Dolby Surround on _The Mix_ itself. > And the another question is: Anybody know other (non KW) CDs which sound > as good as The Mix? If my theory that I can hear Surround encoding is correct, then the 2CD _live 93_ by _orb_ has a LOT of it going on. I would love to hear the track "assassin" on the 2nd CD in Dolby Surround. That track is also, BTW, one of the most original and "different" pieces of electronic music I've heard in ages. Too bad I can't really say the same for most of the orb's stuff. - -- Johann Johann Visagie | Tel: +27 21 887 1822 | Email: jvisagie@active.co.za Active Access | Fax: +27 21 887 1829 | URL: http://www.active.co.za ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 21 NOV 94 11:08:13 EST Subject: Re: Spacial Effects Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Obviously Kraftwerk have access to lots of the latest recording and synthesis equipment. How come they don't seem to use spacial enhancement processors like Q sound or some of the other "3D" stuff? I smile every time I hear the spring reverb resonate on the "watery tone sweep" near the beginning of "Computer Love" on THE MIX. One cannot dismiss ANALOG. Also, in a previous Email I said "outtakes". This slang means songs which were recorded but not officially released. An example would be the fist attempt to record a song (say "Autobahn") when it was the second attempt which went on disk. I've got Beatle outtakes with Paul and John forgetting words and singing off-tune not to mention George's terrible solos. Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 94 05:46:50 PST Subject: Radioactivity Really-From: swatch@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Brian Plume) Where can I get William Orbit's remix on CD? I have it on vinyl, but am always looking for the "upgrade". I also need The Robots Francois Kevorkian remix, too. (on cd) If you are willing to sell yours, or if you know of a mail order house that has them available, please email me. Brian Do you have anything in common with me? Here's what I like: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-= Volkswagens Art of Noise Pepsi Porsches Kraftwerk Johnny Rockets German language Depeche Mode The Cure Girls (16-26) Public Enemy Computers/Electronics Rave/Techno Music Vans(tm) Shoes Swatch watches Classical music Beethoven Albert Einstein Benjamin Franklin R & B/Soul Music Merrie Melodie Toons Keith Haring Neuspeed Equipment Roland Synthesizers =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Internet: Swatch@pro-nsdapple.cts.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:08:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: Radioactivity Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > Where can I get William Orbit's remix on CD? Orbit's 12" remix is on the UK and German CD5s for "Radioactivity". - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 94 13:54:24 EST Subject: Other good Dolby Surround albums Really-From: "YEDID,GABRIEL,MR" if you can tolerate recent TD, _Turn of the Tides_ sounds great in Dolby Surround! Gabe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 14:39:46 -0600 Subject: Balanescu Really-From: Gregor B Rochow Just got the Posessed CD. Very interesting, but A.Balanescu's own compositions get a bit nerve-grinding after a while. The KW tracks are rather well done, but there are some discrepancies: some of the notes on Pocket Calculator seem to be off, and while even sounds such as the cars on Autobahn are rather well done, the melody on it is hair-raisingly off! (i.e. the main four-note part duuum-dum-dum-dum - 2 times, then, on a higher range of notes 2 times again - really goes roughly like this [in levels] : x x-2 x-1 x-4 , but Balanescu plays it as x x-2 x-1 x, which turns one's teeth. I have to say, though, that the robots is doen well, apart from the opening sequence. - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:44:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com You know, I've always found that despite the musical brilliance of KW discs, the recording quality is mediocre. Now before everyone jumps in with the "don't you have the German/Japanese, etc. pressing" comments, let me say that I have the European and American releases on vinyl and CD, and some U.K and Japanese pressings. So, I figure that even allowing for variations in pressings, Kling Klang isn't as advanced from a recording standpoint as I would have otherwise thought. Particularly weak recordings, IMHO: Electric Cafe & The Mix..Comments anybody ? - - Subrata ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:28:07 -0600 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Really-From: Gregor B Rochow Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com > > > You know, I've always found that despite the musical brilliance of KW discs, > the recording quality is mediocre. Now before everyone jumps in with the > "don't you have the German/Japanese, etc. pressing" comments, let me say > that I have the European and American releases on vinyl and CD, and some > U.K and Japanese pressings. So, I figure that even allowing for variations > in pressings, Kling Klang isn't as advanced from a recording standpoint > as I would have otherwise thought. Particularly weak recordings, IMHO: Electric > Cafe & The Mix..Comments anybody ? > Generally, I think the recording quality is somewhat better than average, but for one thing: Noise, i.e. background Ssssssssssss as one hears it from a blank tape turned loud. Most KW recodings have a lot of that. (it's rather interesting , e.g. in several Radio-A tracks, where the hiss (or noise? the word just came to mind, help me with this) gets stronger just before a voice comes on, and then gets lower just after the voice is done. - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:57:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Really-From: "Aaron J. Grier" On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Gregor B Rochow wrote: > Generally, I think the recording quality is somewhat better > than average, but for one thing: Noise, i.e. background Ssssssssssss > as one hears it from a blank tape turned loud. > Most KW recodings have a lot of that. > (it's rather interesting , e.g. in several Radio-A tracks, where > the hiss (or noise? the word just came to mind, help me with this) > gets stronger just before a voice comes on, and then gets lower just > after the voice is done. If that's on a CD, then the CD is probably done with ADD... otherwise it's got to be the noise reduction. I know that Dolby B has that effect sometimes. - ---- The Finn / VLA Aaron J. Grier agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:54:41 -0700 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Really-From: lab@indirect.com (Louis A Bustamante) >> the hiss (or noise? the word just came to mind, help me with this) >> gets stronger just before a voice comes on, and then gets lower just >> after the voice is done. I'm assuming this is the Mix you're talking about... this is probably due to the fact that they resampled all the instruments for The Mix. The vocal tracks were originally recorded analog, as were the instruments. What you're hearing is the difference between today's digitally recorded instrumental tracks and yesterday's analog voice recordings. There's no way to completely erase the hiss without affecting the voice. Personally I think it's interesting, and lends a bit of "technology" history to the recording. =================== ____ ======================================== Louis in Phoenix \ _/__ Smurf+Twink=Smink S0/3 g- y- z- o x- u- lab@indirect.com \X / T6C1L3s h+ a-- w+ c- y t+(1,4,6,10) k ======================= \/ ======================================== ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:00:50 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Really-From: Erik Knain >Really-From: "Aaron J. Grier" > the hiss (or noise? the word just came to mind, help me with this) >> gets stronger just before a voice comes on, and then gets lower just >> after the voice is done. > I think this is very prominent before the voice comes on in "Spiegelsaal" of TEE. Erik. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #101 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #102 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 23 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 102 more rumours... Re: more rumours... Undeliverable mail Autobahn.gif Re:Kraftwerk Hiss Re: more rumours... unsubscribe Undeliverable mail Undeliverable mail Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 re: Kraftwerk video Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Virtu ex Machina Man Machine Boot? Re: 20 years on the autobahn Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:51:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: more rumours... Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Well, more rumours. I've been told kw will ** have to ** release some produkt soon, as it is in their contract. This aparently comes from a reliable sources, but you can never know. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:21:02 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Re: more rumours... Really-From: > Well, more rumours. > > I've been told kw will ** have to ** release some produkt soon, as it is > in their contract. This aparently comes from a reliable sources, but you > can never know. > > Jose Garcia > pepe@cti.uab.es > > Hello Jose! - ---------- I think the whole mailing-list would be very happy if you could tell us more about the rumour. I do not believe that Kraftwerk would ever sign a contract with a clause forcing them to release material. Yesterday evening the Balanescu Qartett appeared on Swedish TV. There was a long interview with Andreas Balanescu, and quite a lot of audio clips, both live and 'video'. Some of the things he said was that he had been a Kraftwerk fan for a long time, and made the Kraftwerk covers as a response to what Kraftwerk (Ralf Hutter) had said in the mid-70'ies about the death of acoustic instruments. He said that 'they' liked the Balanescu versions, it had both musical, rhythmical and humouristic qualities. /anders - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 22 Nov 94 06:23:55 EST Subject: Undeliverable mail [Bounce deleted] ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 12:26:44 +0100 Subject: Really-From: John Mccall Richey begin 644 autobahn.gif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till no word in Berlin about Tour de France. The Ralf and Florian CD is due out here soon, bootleg of course also KW 2. JMR Hope you like the little Autobahn.gif! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 22 NOV 94 09:07:51 EST Subject: Re:Kraftwerk Hiss Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA The hiss on most Kraftwerk songs which is heard during a voice or instrument and then stops, is due to a device called a noise gate. This device acts as though someone turns the volume up when a sound is made and then turns it down when the sound stops. The purpose is to silence hiss when no sound is made. Unfortunately they "tail off" inorder to prevent truncation of the sound. Typically with the transfer of old material to CDs this type of technology is used extensivly to mask the tape hiss. This effect can also be made by using programmable mutes which also silence a track. A similiar device is called a downward expander which gradually turns down the volume after a sound stops. This is generally more hissy but less noticable. Recent digital processing techniques have recently lead to the development of computer devices which analyze the sound and remove all hiss in realtime. These devices are presently very expensive. By listening to Autobahn, CW,RA with headphones, It is clear that this technique was not used. Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 12:52:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: more rumours... Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: > I think the whole mailing-list would be very happy if you could tell > us more about the rumour. I prefer not to, just in case it is false. I can only add this originates from a place geographically close to you. Use your imagination. Apparently, they have to fulfil a contract (I guess they have a minimum of releases, or something like that). > I do not believe that Kraftwerk would ever > sign a contract with a clause forcing them to release material. Well, perhaps they signed this contract a long time ago. Remember when they sold the rights of Autobahn for a mere $2000!, before signing to Capitol. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 94 13:35:32 MET Subject: unsubscribe Really-From: "'-*- SM6TBZ -*-'" unsubscribe - -- **************************************************************************** * Tomas Soderqvist * ! Hang-Gliding ! ! Punish * * RSV DataService *========*=================. ! (Front 242) * * Kundstod Vanersborg * / \ ________________!______________________* * Tel :0521 - 274514 * /_O_\ | Email : tomsod@u15004.skm15.svskt.se * * Fax :0521 - 274521 * | Packet: SM6TBZ@SM6DLD * **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 22 Nov 94 07:47:00 EST Subject: Undeliverable mail [Bounce deleted] ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 22 Nov 94 07:57:23 EST Subject: Undeliverable mail [Bounce deleted] ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:17:30 -0600 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > Really-From: lab@indirect.com (Louis A Bustamante) > > >> the hiss (or noise? the word just came to mind, help me with this) > >> gets stronger just before a voice comes on, and then gets lower just > >> after the voice is done. > > I'm assuming this is the Mix you're talking about... this is probably due > to the fact that they resampled all the instruments for The Mix. The vocal > tracks were originally recorded analog, as were the instruments. What > you're hearing is the difference between today's digitally recorded > instrumental tracks and yesterday's analog voice recordings. There's no way > to completely erase the hiss without affecting the voice. > > Personally I think it's interesting, and lends a bit of "technology" > history to the recording. No, I mean some of the tracks on the Radio-Aktivitdt album. (it might come from switching the voice amp on to the recording device) - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 07:23:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Really-From: "Lisa R. Larribeau GITANE Jonathan B. Klinkroth" > > =================== ____ ======================================== > Louis in Phoenix \ _/__ Smurf+Twink=Smink S0/3 g- y- z- o x- u- > lab@indirect.com \X / T6C1L3s h+ a-- w+ c- y t+(1,4,6,10) k > ======================= \/ ======================================== Wow Louis, are you in Phoenix, AZ? We just moved to PHX from the SF Bay Area (3 months ago). We're still experiencing culture shock ourselves, so it is nice to know there are other KW fans in this city. Have you got any of the bootleg cd stuff - namely KW1 & KW2? Can you recommend any good record stores in the area? We've been to both Zia & Tower so far. And just how exactly do you combine a Smurf and a Twink? Or shouldn't I ask. Bye, Lisa ____________________________________________________________________________ Gitane@netcom.com is Lisa Larribeau and Jon Klinkroth _____________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:39:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: re: Kraftwerk video Really-From: MCINTYRE@msupa.pa.msu.edu >Really-From: majortom@muc.de (Michael Wesemann) >Btw on German TV there is a program about music history occasionaly repeated >in one of the "3. Programs" (regional Stations) showing KW play in the >Ruckzuck era, with long hair as on the back of the original Autobahn, and >someone playing conventional drums. Has anybody by chance taped this? My guess is the song is "Truckstop Gondolier" from the Beat Club. Note that Ralf isn't in the group; the band at the time was Florian, Klaus Dinger on drums, and Michael Rother on guitar. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:38:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #100 Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > > > Really-From: lab@indirect.com (Louis A Bustamante) > > > > >> the hiss (or noise? the word just came to mind, help me with this) > > >> gets stronger just before a voice comes on, and then gets lower just > > >> after the voice is done. > > [snip] > > Personally I think it's interesting, and lends a bit of "technology" > > history to the recording. > > No, I mean some of the tracks on the Radio-Aktivitdt album. > (it might come from switching the voice amp on to the recording device) The Radio-Aktivitdt album is rather old now and the hiss from the Analog recordings will have gone across to the CD as the origional source was hissy, I think even on the older albums it adds something (not like The Model retro from Cleopatra that was plain awful). I would think new KW if they do not sample and play pure sounds would have no hiss on, I mean the studio must be really state of the art now - or they spend all their money on other things ;-) Richard. PS Are KW still with EMI ? If so I would think that EMI would want some output, I mean the last CD must have raked something in for EMI, and they just posted a big increase in profits today slating major artists as one of the boosts. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:55:50 +0100 Subject: Virtu ex Machina Really-From: majortom@muc.de (Michael Wesemann) I'm just hearing the Virtu ex Machina Bootleg from Tokio 81. I notice the first track called "Beethoven-Intro" which is a classical theme played with synthesizers. Can somebody tell me who made this? I don't think it's from Kraftwerk. - - mw ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 22 NOV 94 13:20:14 EST Subject: Man Machine Boot? Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA I'm heading to the metropolis of Montreal in two weeks. There's a good record store there that had some of the Germanfon releases. On my last visit, I bought "RALPH and FLORIAN" on CD however I turned down a non capitol "MAN MACHINE" CD in an unusual package but with the normal songs. <<<<< Does anyone know if this Man Machine is different in content?>>>>> Is the boot called "MAN MACHINE RECREATED"? If so I may purchase it. I'll also ask them about new KW releases , they seem to know what's going on before most. Also I've noticed that some people on this forum seem to have a physics interest/background/education. Is there a relation between this and the subject matter of most KW songs? I studied physics in university, work in telecommunications, create synthetic music and cycle competetivly. I find it unusual that most KW songs by chance match my interests. Is this a common thread with others on this forum? Philip Pilgrim Philip Pilgrim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:42:10 -0600 Subject: Re: 20 years on the autobahn Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > From kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Wed Nov 16 09:43:15 1994 > From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) > Sender: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu > Subject: Re: 20 years on the autobahn > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:18:27 +0100 (NFT) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset=US-ASCII> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Content-Length: 1127 > X-Status: > > Really-From: > > > > > Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > > > > > > > > > > Have you realized this very same month, 20 years ago, the Autobahn LP > > > was released? > > > > It wouldd really be great if one of the few owners of the original album > > (with the view into/out of the car) could scan the cover and have it > > shown on a KW WWW page somewhere. (or send it to me - I've > > got a bit of space on my WWW directory) > > > > > > -gbr > > > > The cover of the original album will appear on the Kraftwerk Infobahr URL: > http://www.cs.umu.se/tsdf/kraftwerk/ > tomorrow. > > /anders > > -- > *************************************************************************** > * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * > * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * > * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * > *************************************************************************** > When? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:00:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: Thanks Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Soleil Lapierre) To all past and present members of the Kraftwerk Mailing List, thanks! A few months back I posted in alt.music.industrial asking for information about Kraftwerk for a school presentation. Someone sent me the KW FAQ and told me about this mailing list. I just finished reading all the digests and current mailings before my presentation was due, this past Monday. I had more than enough material. I just wanted to say, thanks for existing and sharing what you know. :) /* Soleil */ lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #102 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #103 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 24 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 103 Electric Cafe sound quality Re: Man Machine Boot? Re: Thanks Electric caf` Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #102 The Good Book... presentation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:42:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Electric Cafe Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA > However, I do not understand how the song "Sex Object" made it on the > album? The words are silly (even by Kraftwerks minimalistic lyric standards) > the instruments sound like cheesy FM presets (Cello #46!!!!!!) The mood of > this song is so dark and to follow this song by an equally dismal and thin > song "Electrik Cafe" killed side B. With Kraftwerks fanatical high standards, Well, after hearing the A-side and T. Call, no wonder why you say they're bad. > I can not understand these two songs? Did they go through a heroin, drug > stage, unproductive low like John Lennon or were they unable to quickly > master their newer digital synths before commiting to album release? Sex Object was originally intended for release in 1983, in the Technopop album. Plese refer to back issues for more details! (See the FAQ file) AND the sound is far worse, with older technology, than the version on E.Cafe. > > Also, has anyone heard kraftwerk outtakes? I've got some by the beatles > which are interesting. Outtakes from the Kling Klang studio???? Never. I still wonder how two songs from the aborted Technopop album appeared on a bootleg. There are probably outtakes in the Kling Klang studio, but I don't think these will ever see the light. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:51:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: sound quality Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com > > You know, I've always found that despite the musical brilliance of KW discs, > the recording quality is mediocre. That is perhaps true, but bear in mind the recording date of these records! I don't think, though, this aplies to C.World, TdeF, E.Cafe or The Mix. These recordings are of outstanding quality. > in pressings, Kling Klang isn't as advanced from a recording standpoint > as I would have otherwise thought. Particularly weak recordings, This can be (or could have been) true, as it is probably rather expensive to have both the ultimate in E-music making AND in recording technology. > IMHO: Electric > Cafe & The Mix..Comments anybody ? Don't quite agree there. > Really-From: "Aaron J. Grier" > If that's on a CD, then the CD is probably done with ADD... otherwise > it's got to be the noise reduction. More likely, AAD, and not even from the master tapes I would say. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:59:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Man Machine Boot? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA > <<<<< Does anyone know if this Man Machine is different in content?>>>>> > Is the boot called "MAN MACHINE RECREATED"? Another bootleg with re-re-re-re-re-re mixes. Nothing too exciting from what I've been told. I have one of these CDs and it is more than enuff. I would recommend you The Remix, instead, as it features 2 songs from the aborted Technopop album. > Also I've noticed that some people on this forum seem to have > a physics interest/background/education. Is there a relation between > this and the subject matter of most KW songs? Yes, and computer science too :) I said that on this list before. It seems that most kw people are in some way interested in technology and have studied some science-related subject. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:01:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Thanks Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Soleil Lapierre) > To all past and present members of the Kraftwerk Mailing List, thanks! > > A few months back I posted in alt.music.industrial asking for information > about Kraftwerk for a school presentation A school presentation about KW ??? I am curious about it. Can you explain us more? Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:24:23 +0100 Subject: Electric caf` Really-From: Gustav Holmberg Hi! In a recent message Jose wrote "I still wonder how two songs from the aborted Technopop album appeared on a bootleg. " My guess is that the songs come from demotapes given to some people. In his book on Kraftwerk, Pascal Bussy mentions that Ralf and Florian used to "test" new material that way. Regards, Gustav ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:04:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #102 Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com > Well, more rumours. > > I've been told kw will ** have to ** release some produkt soon, as it is > in their contract. This aparently comes from a reliable sources, but you > can never know. I gotta say..this rumour stuff is getting annoying..doesn't ANYONE have a reliable contact at either EMI or Elektra (assuming that KW hasn't been dropped). Incidentally, aren't most recording contracts for a specific term measured in number of albums ? If so, does anyone have any details about the deal ? I suppose one could try phoning Marvin Katz, but he'd be unlikely to breach solicitor-client privilege, even if he still acted for the band... - - Subrata ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: The Good Book... Really-From: CRUBIO@ACC.FAU.EDU > In his book on Kraftwerk, Pascal Bussy mentions that Ralf and Florian > used to "test" new material that way. How can I obtain this book? Carlos CRUBIO@ACC.FAU.EDU ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 22:16:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: presentation Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Soleil Lapierre) > > A few months back I posted in alt.music.industrial asking for information > > about Kraftwerk for a school presentation > A school presentation about KW ??? > I am curious about it. Can you explain us more? Sure. I'm taking a music history course as one of my options (my major is computer science) at Mount Royal College here in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. As part of this course, each student must give a 20-minute presentation to the class about anything music related. One fellow chose Jimi Hendrix. Another chose to illustrate the difference between Baroque and Renaissance music. I chose KW. I grabbed all the picture files from cs.uwp.edu and used them along with the discography and cover list to create a handout for the class. I printed out the entire archive of digests and read them all, highlighting the interesting parts. I later compiled all the information in point form and used it to write my speech. I played The Man Machine while passing out the handouts, then played part of Ruckzack as an example of their early work. I described in detail the history of the group. I played an example of another artist covering a KW melody (Deadly Headly's radio mix of TEE), as well as the relevant part of the real TEE. I then played the start of The Telephone Call, and played another work that used the same phone samples (I think it was Telephone 529 by Musicology). I breifly discussed the pictures on the handouts, and some interesting aspects of the KW members' personalities. I was nervous as heck, but I think I did quite well. I haven't spoken to a group for over 4 years. :( :) BTW, I'm sticking around in this mailing list. I don't have much time to participate in the conversations, but if I find more interesting covers of KW stuff I'll post the info. /* Soleil */ lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #103 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #104 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 25 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 104 Re: The Good Book... Re: more rumours Kraftwerk on irc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:19:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: The Good Book... Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: CRUBIO@ACC.FAU.EDU > How can I obtain this book? > > Carlos Carlos, I suggest you read the FAQ file. I think this info is there. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:35:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: more rumours Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Please Subrata, keep the "subject" as appropiate when replying to the list! > Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com > If so, does anyone have any details about > the deal ? I guess only KW members know, and the bosses at EMI. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 00:22:36 +0100 Subject: Kraftwerk on irc Really-From: Gustav Holmberg Hi! Martin Nisshagen has set up a Kraftwerk channel on irc, called ... Kraftwerk. Boing Gustav ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #104 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #105 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 26 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 105 Re: Kraftwerk on irc Recording tricks Help requested Dentaku subscribe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 13:25:58 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk on irc Really-From: jvisagie@active.co.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: Gustav Holmberg > Martin Nisshagen has set up a Kraftwerk channel on irc, called ... > Kraftwerk. (I suppose that would actually be "#kraftwerk") Shall we all make a time to "meet" there? :) :) - -- Johann Johann Visagie | Tel: +27 21 887 1822 | Email: jvisagie@active.co.za Active Access | Fax: +27 21 887 1829 | URL: http://www.active.co.za ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 25 NOV 94 12:42:52 EST Subject: Recording tricks Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA Forwarded to: INTERNET [kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu] cc: Comments by: Philip Pilgrim@PENNANT POINT@OPS Comments: OOPS! -------------------------- [Original Message] ------------------------- On Digital Delay: One of my favorite effects for synthesizers is the digital delay. This device seems to be used extensively by Kraftwerk also. Typicaly they record songs with instruments panned to one side and the delayed sound panned to the other. With the delay's timing syncronized to the songs beat, the effect is quite nice. Listen to almost any Kraftwerk album for this effect. (BTW George Harrison's vocal on "Taxman" is the earliest use of this technique that I've heard). I would enjoy feedback on other recording techniques from others on this forum who have been inspired to make synthetic music. Philip Pilgim ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 25 NOV 94 14:44:05 EST Subject: Help requested Really-From: PPilgrim@Teleglobe.CA I have only email access. Can someone send me instructions on how to retrieve archives, FAQs, gifs etc using email. Also would someone be so kind as to forward me some of the better KW gifs in the meantime. Thank you very very much Philip Pilgrim ppilgrim@teleglobe.ca ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 07:03:10 +0900 Subject: Dentaku Really-From: Muneharu YOKOYAMA Here are the lyrics of Dentaku (The Mix version). The ones posted last year (digest 1.144) were, well, not completely correct. :) Bokuwa ongakuka, dentaku katateni Bokuwa ongakuka, dentaku katateni Tashitari, hiitari Sousashite, sakkyoku suru Kono botan oseba, ongaku kanaderu kono botan oseba, ongaku kanaderu (They are almost direct translations of the lyrics of "Taschenrechner".) - -- Muneharu YOKOYAMA hal@tkynt2.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 25 Nov 94 23:41:40 +0100 Subject: subscribe Really-From: andreas petersson subscribe t92ap@hh.se ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #105 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #106 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 29 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 106 pocket calc. 7" question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 94 19:27:15 EST Subject: pocket calc. 7" question Really-From: heyheytaramackay hello. i am quite new to the email/discussion group thing, so bear with my quick question, please... i have the pocket calculator 7" that is a yellowish-greenish colored vinyl. the sleeve is clear plastic with english printing on the front and japanese on the back. i bought it for five dollars. was this an unbelievably rare find or is it a common item. about how much would this 7" go for, anyway? thanks a bunch... tara mackay ps- being that i am a math major, pocket calc. is the keenest kw song!! %^) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #106 ******************************* From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #107 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 30 November 1994 Volume 02 : Number 107 Re: pocket calc. 7" question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 12:27:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: pocket calc. 7" question Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: heyheytaramackay > > i am quite new to the email/discussion group thing, Welcome :) > i have the pocket calculator 7" that is a yellowish-greenish colored vinyl. Yeah. This is a nice item, but not very rare. I mean, it is rare, but not the rarest by any means. You know what? The US p.Calculator in standard black vinyl is much rarer, although of course not so nice. > about how much would this 7" go for, anyway? That is very subjective. Not for a fortune! Jose Garcia - One, uno, deux, dos, trois, cuatro - pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #107 *******************************