From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #57 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 1 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 057 new kraftwerk releases??? RE: Just noticed, and thought you'd like to know Just noticed, and thought you'd like to know ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:41:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: new kraftwerk releases??? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) According to someone in Holland, the supossed to be new kw album has been delayed 'til the end of November (???) The wait will be longer... to see if we're really going to be treated to a new album. This guy also says Ralf & Florian, Kraftwerk 1 and Kraftwerk 2 will be released as OFFICIAL CDs. (???????????????) Can anyone with a good contact at some record store ask if this is true? Perhaps all this is just another pile of rumours? Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 12:11:55 EDT Subject: RE: Really-From: "SO THIS IS IT, WE'RE GOING TO DIE" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Just noticed, and thought you'd like to know Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman I just got an "Exceller 8" LP (you should get it if you find it) and thought I'd throw out that the edit of "Autobahn" on this album doesn't match the edit on my Vertigo 45. They focus on different sections of the song, and the LP version sound a lot more 'choppy,' IMHO. I also got a glow in the dark "Neon Lights" 12", which I now think is the coolest thing I've ever bought over the Net, if not in the world. Just the album version, in case you were about to ask. It says on the liner notes that "Exceller 8" is available on 8 Track. Who wants to sell me one? ;-) Christopher Robin Zimmerman A regular at the Electric Cafe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:23:24 -0700 Subject: Just noticed, and thought you'd like to know Really-From: jet@netcom.com (J. Eric Townsend) kraftwerk mailing list writes: > It says on the liner notes that "Exceller 8" is available on 8 Track. Who > wants to sell me one? ;-) Me too, me too! Hell, if you've got some blanks, I could use those as well. I have to find some use for my Pioneer prosumer home 8-track unit. :-) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #57 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #58 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 2 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 058 Profile of a Kraftwerk fan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 01 Oct 1994 14:08:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Really-From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU Yesterday, a thought came to mind: who are the Kraftwerk fans? I've only encountered three personally and only two really count. The one who isn't a fan bought _Electric Cafe_ in the cut-outs section of a music store and introduced me to Kraftwerk with that. One of the fans is a friend of a friend who no longer goes to Albion and the other worked at another music store back home and commented that he hadn't heard one of the two KW discs I bought that day (_TEE_ and _Man-Machine_). Of these three, two are male, one female, all are around 20 years of age. There's not much variety there. This got me wondering about just who out there listens to Kraftwerk? Since they don't get heavy radio play in the U.S., how did any of us become fans except by word-of-mouth or just picking up an album on a whim? Are most those who've been around for the first releases of the '70s records or are discovering them now in the CD age? What do you all think? (*----------+--------+--------------------------------*) (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) (*----------+--------+------+----------------+--------*) (* Computational Math major | Albion College | Senior *) (*--------------------------+----------------+--------*) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #58 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #59 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 3 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 059 Profile. Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Re: How did you start listening to Kraftwerk ? Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 94 01:58:21 PDT Subject: Profile. Really-From: swatch@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Brian Plume) Well, let me be one of the first to answer just how =I= stumbled upon Kraftwerk's musik. I was into DJing from 1984 to 1990, and during that time there was a radio MIX show every friday and saturday night on a local station. They happened to use "Boing Boom Tschuk" in one of their mixes, and I immediately had to have that song. I found out it was Kraftwerk, and grabbed the album "Elektric Cafe". After listening to all of its contents, I craved more, so I went looking at the record stores. I found one that really seemed to fit ME by the titles of the musik, as well as the cover of the record (the artwork, I mean). It was RADIOACTIVITY. I LOVED it, and it is STILL my all time favourite Kraftwerk album. Things became more clear to me as I kept buying up the rest of their stuff...I realised I was MEANT to be a part of their musik. They have been one of my biggest influences, as well as MANY other artists today. If I EVER "make it" in the musik industry, you can bet they will be TOPS on the "THANKS TO:" list. I only wish they would crank out something else. I mean, first it was Art of Noise who broke up, and now Kraftwerk. How much MORE can I take?!?! Thanx for listening. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 13:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Really-From: Dave Walker On Sat, 1 Oct 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU > > This got me wondering about just who out there listens to Kraftwerk? Since > they don't get heavy radio play in the U.S., how did any of us become fans > except by word-of-mouth or just picking up an album on a whim? Are most > those who've been around for the first releases of the '70s records or are > discovering them now in the CD age? By growing up in the Detroit area, where Kraftwerk are *huge* relatively speaking... the most influential DJ in this area, Mojo (who made a huge impression on all the pioneer Detroit techno musicians) was a major Kraftwerk fan, consequently tracks like "The Robots", "Trans Europe Express", "Numbers/Computer World 2", "Pocket Calculator" and "Tour De France" got enough airplay around here to register on the local charts and rack up a significant amount of airplay even on the top 40 stations. I was 12 or 13 when the _Computer World_ album came out, and thanks to the radio exposure I went out and bought it. I've been hooked since -- as I got older and had more money to spend on records I bought the back catalog stuff, and the scant few morsels the gods in Duesseldorf have tossed our way since then. :) I also know a few hippies who found them around the time of _Autobahn_... | Dave Walker, Detroit Art Services (DAS) | | | | marmoset@msen.com "...driving in my Cosmic Car..." | ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 1994 14:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: How did you start listening to Kraftwerk ? Really-From: Lewis McCarthy Erik Eid writes: > This got me wondering about just who out there listens to Kraftwerk? Since > they don't get heavy radio play in the U.S., how did any of us become fans > except by word-of-mouth or just picking up an album on a whim? I began listening to Kraftwerk shortly after the release of The Mix, when one of the San Jose Mercury News' music reviewers gave a glowing recommendation of it. He mentioned that Kraftwerk had been very influential on later electronic dance music etc. - -Lewis ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 94 15:46:26 EST Subject: Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Really-From: rivera@USCN.BITNET (Enrique Rivera, Pre-Engineer at Columbus College) Hiya! Well, I just subscribed to the mailing list a couple of days ago, so I figured this offered me a perfect chance to introduce myself. :) I must admit, I'm a bit of a late bloomer as a Kraftwerk fan. I've always been fond of electronic dance music, especially that of New Order, Pet Shop Boys, Depeche Mode, Erasure, OMD, NIN, and others.. I remember seeing The Mix at a local record store and the cover just screams "techno pop", but I hadn't heard any of it, so I didn't get it. Finally, when the rave craze started, I remember reading about how Kraftwerk influenced the Detroit techno scene, so I figured this was enough to pique my curiosity enough to buy The Mix. Needless to say, I loved every bit of it. As a result, I started buying the rest of their more accessible albums like Electric Cafe and Computer World. Both albums contained music I clearly remember hearing when I was much younger, like Numbers and The Telephone Call. It's weird hearing those songs that you forgot existed.. :) Then of course, I remembered the countless songs by other artists that contained Kraftwerk samples like Numbers, Home Computer, Trans Europe Express, Computer Love, etc... At that point, though, I was still a pretty passive fan, until quite recently, when I read a book by Pascal Bussy called Kraftwerk: Man Machine and Music. After that, I wanted everything by them I could find. I now have all the albums they've released on CD and I still want more. :) I'm very curious to hear their early stuff from Tone Float through Ralf and Florian, and of course my dance music roots long to acquire those remixed singles like Tour de France, The Telephone Call, The Robots, and Radioactivity. The only way I've heard Tour de France is because it's on a DJ mix called Germankraft which a friend copied for me that includes German versions of The Telephone Call, The model, Computer World 2, Tour de France, and Numbers on it. Of course, Computer World 2 and Numbers are the same as the American versions.. :) Anyway, it's nice to be able to talk to fellow Kraftwerk fans, since nobody here in Columbus, GA really gives a damn who they are... They'd rather listen to Garth Brooks.. *blech* In case you're wondering, I'm a 20 year old Computer Engineering student who is transferring to GA Tech really soon just so I can move to a city of considerable size.. :) I'm originally from New York City, and my hobbies include playing keyboards (I have some shabby ones), aviation and flight simulations, and anything that has to do with computers. Hmm... Too bad Kraftwerk never did a song about airplanes.. They seem to have have covered every other mode of transportation... :) Anyway, that's my Kraftwerk thought for the day... It's great to be here! :) Mr disco rivera%USCN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #59 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #60 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 4 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 060 RE: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Re: Kraftwerk 1 & 2 Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan How I discovered Kraftwerk... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 10:09:35 BST Subject: RE: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Really-From: SHANE J WIMS Hi, I think I see a pattern emerging here! I'm a 20 year old student. I bought Computer World in March and have since bought all the stuff available on CD apart from Radioactivity and TEE. Both are very difficult to get hold of in Ireland. Why Kraftwerk? I'm a big fan of Bowie and U2, both claim to have been influenced by KW. Check out Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car on Zooropa. It reminds me of Music Non Stop from The Mix. Or as Bono described it , a mixture of Kraftwerk, KC and The Sunshine Band (who?) and Eartha Kitt!! On another note, my favourite KW cover artwork is the cover from Electric Cafe followed closely by the cover of The Mix. Anyone agree/disagree?? - -Shane J. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 11:15:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk 1 & 2 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: "Robert J. Schmeltzer" > > Even though I like albums like Electric > Cafe, I love these first two albums now that I've finally heard > them. Yeah. So do I. > Now for my questions: How does Ralf und Florian or > Tonefloat sound compared to these two albums? Tonefloat I don't know myself, but from what I've read, it is the less similar to Kraftwerk. In fact it's pre-Kraftwerk and not a Kraftwerk album. Ralf & Florian sound is closer to what the guys did on later albums, using on this album a synthesizer for the first time. Some very good tracks on this album! They also used a vocoder for the first time for the little singing that appears in one of the songs. > Is it Ruckzuck > or Ruckzack Ruckzuck. >The songs are > credited to R. Hutter and F.Schneider-Esleben. For some reason, Florian used for his surname his father's surname and his mother's surname (maiden name), as we Spanish people do. > Is Esleben a > third person or part of Florian's name that he no longer uses? I guess the reason for not using Esleben is Florian Schneider is shorter and all that... The guy with the beard is Conny Plank, and he died some years ago (read Pascal Bussy's book!) Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1994 11:37:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU > This got me wondering about just who out there listens to Kraftwerk? Since > they don't get heavy radio play in the U.S., Well, there's people from other places than the US that like KW, you know? I've been into KW from around 1980, before the C.World album and the 1981 technopop fashion. I discovered them in one of the nights that I spent at the time listening to the radio (doing radio activity :). I got to listen Radio Activity and TEE and this was enough for me to hook into KW. TEE was just incredible! The first thing I bought was the Radio Activity tape, I seem to remember. Then C.World arrived... After all that I bought all their albums and when I listened to the Man M., all the tracks were familiar to me from having heard them as soundtrack for TV stuff. At the same time I got to know about Aviador Dro, the first Spanish techno band, who were influenced by Kraftwerk (they even played a special version of The Model with lyrics in Spanish!). (There you have a full band devoted to the aviation topic!) At that time I was already what you consider a KW fan, but not a collector (shit!) I bought everything on tape except KW 1 and 2. I got KW 2 on LP (even without having a turntable). I missed the concert in Barcelona 1981 wich is a big pitty, but I was too young at the moment... Times were different. After that, well, T de F, E.Cafe, large pause, The Mix, the Mix tour, the Kratwerk mailing list, ... I think it's curious but most of the people I know about that like KW are into computers also or something related, or they make music. I have myself a degree in computer science. > (* Computational Math major | Albion College | Senior *) What did I tell you! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 17:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Really-From: "Lisa R. Larribeau GITANE Jonathan B. Klinkroth" OK, I can't resist replying to this one. I am 30 and first heard Kraftwerk when I was in high school (around 1979) when a local junior college screened Fritz Lang's Metropolis accompanied by Man Machine. I can't dexcribe how exciting it was to here their music for the first time (quite a far cry from Journey and other bands that were popular at that time). From that moment on I was a big Kraftwerk fan and spent the next few years tracking down all their albums. I haven't met a lot of other Kraftwerk fans in my life (other than my husband who did actually see one of their Computer World shows) so it is great to find other people who are true fans. By the way, I have noticed that most of the messages flying around on this list are from guys. Are there any female KW fans out there? Lisa Larribeau ______________________________________________________________________________ gitane@netcom.com is Lisa Larribeau & Jon Klinkroth ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 1994 21:17:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: How I discovered Kraftwerk... Really-From: lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca (Lapierre) Hi All. I first heard Kraftwerk in a Radio Shack store here in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. That was about 14 years ago. I went into the store to look at the toys (I was a wee fella then), and one of the stereos was playing the Man Machine. They had the attractive red and black album cover sitting aside, and I memorized the picture so I could later force my mother to buy it for me. I had always liked to have music around up till then, but it never really grabbed me. Theirs was the first music I actively liked, and they're still high among my favorites. I now have all of their widely released tapes, but I'd love to hear their early stuff and Tour de France. Nothing made my day like the time I went into HMV and found The Mix. It's still my favorite of their releases. It's sure not hard to spot music that's been influenced by KW. :) I like most of it, too. /* Soleil */ lapierrs@cuug.ab.ca ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #60 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #61 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 5 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 061 Re: Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Tonefloat or KW1 A slightly older KW fan... Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 03:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car Really-From: Lewis McCarthy SHANE J WIMS writes: > Check out Daddy's Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car on Zooropa. > It reminds me of Music Non Stop from The Mix. Or as Bono described it, > a mixture of Kraftwerk, KC and The Sunshine Band (who?) and Eartha Kitt!! That's an intriguing observation -- I've never noticed anything KW-like about any U2 stuff. To me, DGPFYCC is rather a bore, quite in contrast to KW's material. To answer your question, KC & the Sunshine Band were (somewhat IMHO) one of the greatest funk/disco bands ever. I'm a huge fan of theirs, and wish Rhino Records would release more of their catalog than just the greatest hits album ! They performed wonderful dance music with a big horn section, resulting in hits such as Get Down Tonight, I'm Your Boogie Man, (That's The Way) I Like It, {covered by Dino about five years ago}, (Shake, Shake, Shake) Shake Your Booty {which I believe holds the U.S. record for most repetitions of a word in the title of a #1 song :}, Keep It Comin' Love, Please Don't Go {recently covered by some group}, and my favorite, Give It Up {which went to #1 in England about ten years ago}. The label on which they recorded, T.K. Records, folded circa 1980, so no-one was officially releasing their catalog AFAIK from then until Rhino Records bought up T.K.'s entire catalog a few years ago. Although the Sunshine Band has melted away, replaced by "the Sunshine Girls" {two backup singers}, KC himself {Harry Wayne Casey} was back in business as of a year or two ago. I saw them play in a club in San Jose, Calif. then. Actually they played a couple of new songs, supposedly from a forthcoming album which I've never been able to locate. "Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight !" - -L. McCarthy ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: TUE, 4 Oct 1994 08:38:55 +01 Subject: Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Really-From: Keseru Imre Hello, In fact it is my first letter to the list, but I've been following what happens here for a few months. My first 'randezvous' with Kraftwerk was a telephone call or exactly THE Telephone Call. It was four or five years ago when I was sitting on the coach watching Tv (Hungarian Tv actually) And suddenly something really strange but very good hit my ears. It was the Telephone Call by Kraftwerk. Then I decided to get more Kra ftwerk music. First I listened to Electric Cafe, then I could get all the avail able albums from Autobahn, and also some maxi singles. I was hunting for their videos on MusicTV and I could tape some of them (they always play only The Model ). Kraftwerk was always big in Hungary. When in 1981 they had the Computer World Tour they had to give two concerts in Budapest so many people wanted to hear them. Unfortunately I couldn't be there( I was only 6 then :) And in 1991 it was their request to come to Budapest(I heard on the radio). Huh..it the first concert I went to see and the best so far! Then I read in Popcorn that they were going to release a brand new studio album the following year (1992), but nothing happened:(...still waiting ...and hoping. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<> Would anybody send me the FAQ ? Thanks in advance ImI ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: TUE, 4 Oct 1994 09:49:07 +01 Subject: Really-From: Keseru Imre index kraftwerk who kraftwerk lists ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 1994 15:37:47 BST Subject: Tonefloat or KW1 Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" Hi, I will shortly have the opportunity to buy either Tone Float (nice box!) or Kraftwerk 1 on CD. I could have bought one of them today but got Kraftwerk The First DJ Edition instead :) Anyway, this is an 'either or' situation. I cannot afford both. Which of the two is more highly recommended. Are they in any way similar to Autobahn (my earliest KW recording)? Please e-mail me personally, unless you feel others would be interested in this. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Shane J. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 94 8:59:18 MDT Subject: A slightly older KW fan... Really-From: Robert Slaven In the 70's, I was always interested in synthesisers and electronic music generally. In junior high ('73-'76 for me), I was listening to Walter (now Wendy) Carlos, Isao Tomita, and all the various 'Moog'-titled crap that was being put out at the time. Somewhere in there I found Kraftwerk. I don't know if I still have them, but I accumulated the LP's of Ralf and Florian, Autobahn, Radioactivity, TEE, Man-Machine, and a 12" EP in glow-in-the-dark green of Neon Lights/The Model/something else. A fellow trombone player in high school was of German descent, and we spent time noodling with some primitive patchcord-no-keyboard synthesiser that our school had, and he translated the lyrics for me. I sort of got out of it for a while, but caught up when I started collecting CD's. I've recreated my collection, save for R&F and the EP (anyone make glow-in-the-dark CD's? %-). I also have Electric Cafe, but I haven't seen Computer World or The Mix anywhere for less than C$25, and I haven't seen R&F, KW1 & 2, or TdeF anywhere in Canada at all. Favourite KW moment: watching CBC news one night in the late 70's. There was a story about German nuclear power plants, and one shot showed a large container being hoisted somewhere by a crane. A bunch of lettering/numbers was stencilled on the side, including 'KRAFTWERK NR. 12345' or some such. The stencilling looked exactly like the stencilled letterforms on the cover of R&F and the old copy of KW2 my high school friend had. Kewl! Anyhow, I'm looking forward to hearing about any new releases, esp. either a new record or legal reissues of KW1 or 2 or R&F. Signing off from the Great White North.... - -- - --------robert_slaven@gov.nt.ca---------73757.601@compuserve.com-------- Robert Slaven, Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories, Canada "Would you, could you, with a goat?" _Green Eggs and Ham_, Dr Seuss ********Just 'cause I work for 'em doesn't mean I speak for 'em********* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 1994 10:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Really-From: Jonathan Komar My introduction to Kraftwerk was a little different from everyone elses, but I think it is worth mentioning. You see, around the southwest America in the early 1980's, breakdancing was a big hit. Then one day my brother came home with a copy of Tour De France, which today is still their best song ever! Now, I kinda forgot about Kraftwerk after that and it wasn't until I picked up a copy of The Mix for myself that I REALLY got into their music. In fact, it was because of that album that I started searching for all of the old albums. Most of my friends are not Kraftwerk fans, but it has never stopped me from enjoying their music. I only hope that The Mix is not the end of the road for these guys! Jonathan ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #61 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #62 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 6 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 062 Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Re: Tonefloat or KW1 An unlikely introduction to KW! Message not deliverable Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Message not deliverable ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 13:12:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > I will shortly have the opportunity to buy either Tone Float (nice box!) or > Kraftwerk 1 on CD. I could have bought one of them today but got Kraftwerk The > First DJ Edition instead :) Personally, I wouldn't buy any of them since they are PIRATE ILLEGAL CD's. The latests rumours say the first KW albums will appear on CD. Wait and see if it's true! First DJ Edition: don't think it's very good. I just have "The Remix", another one of the massive amount of REMIX BOOTLEGS. Once you've heard one you've heard them all, as someone pointed rightly (on this list I think.) Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 06:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman Jose Garcia responds to a question asking whether to buy KW1 or Tone Float: > Personally, I wouldn't buy any of them since they are PIRATE ILLEGAL CD's. > The latests rumours say the first KW albums will appear on CD. Wait and see > if it's true! With all due respect, Jose, I'll believe that when I see it. If you get the chance to buy them NOW, then do it. I can't believe that these 'latest rumours' carry any more reason to be believed than any other such rumours that may have sprung up over the last decade. It's nice to take the high moral ground, but it ain't gonna get you early Kraftwerk on disc. And, if I had to choose between Tone Float and KW1, I'd have to get Tone Float, if only for the fact that I already have KW1 on vinyl. ;-) Christopher Robin Zimmerman ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1994 15:42:00 BST Subject: Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" >Personally, I wouldn't buy any of them since they are PIRATE ILLEGAL CD's. >The latests rumours say the first KW albums will appear on CD. Wait and see >if it's true! I'd love to get official versions as I'd rather see royalties go to Ralf and Florian (and co) than to bootleggers. But in the absence of official copies bootlegs will have to do. I really don't understand why they are not officially released as the existance of boots indicates there is a demand. >First DJ Edition: don't think it's very good. I just have "The Remix", >another one of the massive amount of REMIX BOOTLEGS. Once you've heard one >you've heard them all, as someone pointed rightly (on this list I think.) I agree. There's nothing new on the disc I got that Kraftwerk haven't already done better. At least it's made up of large segments of the German version of Elecric Cafe. Of course the best solution is for some new KW material but that's just wishful thinking :) Maybe they don't know. Someone should tell them. :) - -Shane J. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 17:26:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Really-From: Al Crawford > Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" > > I'd love to get official versions as I'd rather see royalties go to Ralf and > Florian (and co) than to bootleggers. But in the absence of official copies > bootlegs will have to do. Agreed. I've bought all the boots of the early albums, although I'll ditch them as soon as official releases become available. I've no turntable, so picking up ancient but legal vinyl isn't practical. Given a choice between not having the first three albums *at all* or having three bootlegs, I'll take the latter option. It's far less desirable than three official CDs, but it's definitely better than nothing. > I really don't understand why they are not officially released as the > existance of boots indicates there is a demand. Probably just Ralf and Florian being weird again :-) Why doesn't someone point out to Ralf that, yes, the first three albums may not fit in with the "Kling Klang canon" in the same way that the later material does, but just think how many new carbon-fibre bike frames (yes, even matt black ones Ralf!) he could buy if he were to license an official release! I'm not sure how we'd go about bribing Florian though :-) Maybe try to kidnap bits of Kling Klang Studio and hold them to ransom? > I agree. There's nothing new on the disc I got that Kraftwerk haven't already > done better. At least it's made up of large segments of the German version of > Elecric Cafe. Again, I agree entirely. As far as remix material is concerned you only need one disc. Not even that really - I find most of the remix material out there to be bland and/or redundant. I'm not really interested in hearing the result of some anonymous remix service taking half a dozen Kraftwerk tracks and mixing them together over an equally anonymous dance beat. My primary need for remix bootlegs lies in the inclusion of genuine, unadulterated rarities (i.e. the two _Technopop_ tracks) and that they represent, in some form at least, one way of getting "Tour de France" on CD. Live bootleg CDs are another matter entirely. I'll be surprised if we ever see an official live album - it somehow doesn't seem like a Kraftwerk thing to do. > Of course the best solution is for some new KW material but that's just > wishful thinking :) Yeah, the rumours about a second remix disc depressed rather than cheered me. If it *was* due to label pressure, and Kraftwerk actually had some new material in the pipeline, I doubt they'd jeopardise sales with a new remix album. If _Tour De France_ (or _Mix 2_ or whatever provisional title you want to associate with it) does appear, I think we can kiss goodbye to any chances of seeing new material for a few years. That's a shame, as I'd kinda hoped we'd see something new (*) released for the 25th anniversary of the first Kraftwerk album next year. > Maybe they don't know. Someone should tell them. :) I do wonder this sometime. How can they ignore the demand for stuff like the early albums or "TdF", citing the sanctity of the Kraftwerk back catalogue, and at the same time allow the release of the rather shoddily packaged material on Cleopatra? Weird. Al (*) Like, perhaps, a big box set containing the early albums and heaps of previously unreleased material. Well, I can dream... - -- Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165 Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 94 12:43:57 EDT Subject: An unlikely introduction to KW! Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) Well, since everone has been telling how they were introduced to KW, I'll share my story. After thinking about this, I realized that it is pretty amazing that I got interested in them given my introduction! At age 15 (1985), I visited a music store (then, mainly vinyl and tape), and was looking for something else (I think Level 42). Anyways, I recalled always seeing these "Kraftwerk" albums near the sections that I was looking in, and so I finally just decided to buy one _without having any idea what they did_! And, the best part is, the album I first bought was Radioactivity! (This is still one of my favorite albums by them, BTW). So, after becoming intrigured by R.A., I bought Electric Cafe and _really_ liked that. It wasn't until college (1988) that I continued to listen to their other stuff. My freshman roommate decided to buy Autobahn (on spec), and then I also heard Computer World. Well, the rest is history. I now own all their available CD's, several singles (CD), R&F and Exceller 8 on vinyl. I also had tickets to see them in Boston, 1991, but alas they cancelled their tour. That was a sad day... - - Eric *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | | .......... Administrator, Level 42 Digest Mailing List ............ | | Princeton Transportation Consulting Group, Inc. .... Burlington, MA | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 11:03:43 -0700 Subject: Message not deliverable Really-From: Administrator_at_PHS1@cclink.fhcrc.org Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) Well, since everone has been telling how they were introduced to KW, I'll share my story. After thinking about this, I realized that it is pretty amazing that I got interested in them given my introduction! At age 15 (1985), I visited a music store (then, mainly vinyl and tape), and was looking for something else (I think Level 42). Anyways, I recalled always seeing these "Kraftwerk" albums near the sections that I was looking in, and so I finally just decided to buy one _without having any idea what they did_! And, the best part is, the album I first bought was Radioactivity! (This is still one of my favorite albums by them, BTW). So, after becoming intrigured by R.A., I bought Electric Cafe and _really_ liked that. It wasn't until college (1988) that I continued to listen to their other stuff. My freshman roommate decided to buy Autobahn (on spec), and then I also heard Computer World. Well, the rest is history. I now own all their available CD's, several singles (CD), R&F and Exceller 8 on vinyl. I also had tickets to see them in Boston, 1991, but alas they cancelled their tour. That was a sad day... - - Eric *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | | .......... Administrator, Level 42 Digest Mailing List ............ | | Princeton Transportation Consulting Group, Inc. .... Burlington, MA | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > Personally, I wouldn't buy any of them since they are PIRATE ILLEGAL CD's. > The latests rumours say the first KW albums will appear on CD. Wait and see > if it's true! Yes, and then when it turns out not to be, there you are, still without Tone Float and Kraftwerk 1 on CD. I'm glad I didn't try your "wait and see" approach with the Blade Runner soundtrack -- even when it *was* officially released six months later, the "legal" version was a pale shadow of the bootleg. - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 1994 15:50:28 -0700 Subject: Message not deliverable Really-From: Administrator_at_PHS1@cclink.fhcrc.org Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > Personally, I wouldn't buy any of them since they are PIRATE ILLEGAL CD's. > The latests rumours say the first KW albums will appear on CD. Wait and see > if it's true! Yes, and then when it turns out not to be, there you are, still without Tone Float and Kraftwerk 1 on CD. I'm glad I didn't try your "wait and see" approach with the Blade Runner soundtrack -- even when it *was* officially released six months later, the "legal" version was a pale shadow of the bootleg. - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #62 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #63 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 7 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 063 Misc KW things Re: Tonefloat or KW1 back catalogue, a g a i n . . . Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Message not deliverable ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 15:10:26 MET Subject: Misc KW things Really-From: Lars Nellemann This is my Story: I've been introduced to kraftwerk twice - at first, when the Radioaktivitaet album came out - a friend of mine bought it, I thought it was interesting - but nothing else. In 1981 I bought The model on 7" That was a favourite of mine in a long time - but surpricingly not enough to buy anything else with KW. I still think that The Model is the perfect pop-song, and it was the first song I learned to play on keyboards. Then during the 80'ties I got more an more into synth- music. Human League, JM Jarre, Tangerine Dream, Erasure, New order and then again Kraftwerk. and now I've got almost everything with KW - every album, in German and English editions. This leads me to the bootleg discussion - yes I buy the Boots, I've bought KW1, KW2, Ralph and Florian, The remix, Schone neue welt, Ultra rare tracks, and a live boot from the last tour (91). And I can recommend others to buy them too (Except URT - that stinks), It is right that they are illegal, and that Ralph and Flo won't get any royalties - but I beleive that the bootleggers have done us a favour. Waiting for a official re-release is probably a waste of time, and the bootlegs were actually 30% cheaper to obtain, than an official release, I know some people pay very steep prices for bootlegs - but it's the dealer that add to the price - apparantly not the original bootlegger. I find the remixes on The remix and Schone neue welt rather good, if you like remixes off course, it's interesting to see how others (remixers) interprets your fav artist. The consistant rumour of a Mix 2 is very annoying - off course I would like to see more stuff from Kling-Klang studios - but not if it's going to be like Pet shop boys releasing a Disco 2 - that is a waste of money, and not quite in the line of Kraftwerk. What happened to the Japanese releases we did hear a lot about this summer? I saw a Japanese Compilation some time ago - nothing new off course, but still we ought to know a the list, and lazlo should know for his discog. I was in a hurry (and it was in Sweden), so I couldn't get all the details from that disc - although I think it had a Zeppelin at the front - and lot of writing in Japanese. Have fun - Lars - -- ***************************************** * Lars Nellemann * * University of Copenhagen * * Copenhagen, Denmark * * nelleman@biobase.aau.dk * * FAX: +45 3532 6120 * ***************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 12:03:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman > > The latests rumours say the first KW albums will appear on CD. Wait and see > > if it's true! > > With all due respect, Jose, I'll believe that when I see it. Of course, I didn`t meant it is sure. With KW I don't take anything for granted! > If you get the > chance to buy them NOW, then do it. Well, that's a very personal decision. If you buy them now and then they are oficially released, either you'll have to spend more money or be happy with the bad quality of the bootlegs. > It's nice to take the high moral ground, but it ain't gonna get you early > Kraftwerk on disc. I did not refer to the moral ground (and again, I'm not saying it is moral). The point is the bad quality of the bootlegs against the much better quality of official releases! You just could wait and see if they are officially released. If they're not, you are always on time for searching for these pirate copies (or have them taped from someone!). > if only for the fact that I already have KW1 on vinyl. ;-) Then it would be silly IMO to buy the bootleg CD version, as you'll get worst quality than from a vinyl in good shape! I would also opt for ToneFloat, as this one is very unlikely to be ever officially re-released! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 12:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: back catalogue, a g a i n . . . Really-From: Richard Karty > I do wonder this sometime. How can they ignore the demand for stuff like > the early albums or "TdF", citing the sanctity of the Kraftwerk back > catalogue, and at the same time allow the release of the rather shoddily > packaged material on Cleopatra? Weird. That is the question that puzzles me even more than KW's premature retirement, and for all the speculation that we do here on the list (myself included!), I've never seen a plausible explanation for it. Or does it have something to do with ownership of material? Are the Cleopatra albums from some era of their contract where KW didn't retain re-release rights, but they do have control over earlier *and* later material... something like that? Richard ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 14:57:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Tonefloat or KW1 Really-From: Gregor B Rochow > I would also opt for ToneFloat, as this one is very unlikely to be ever > officially re-released! > why? (i.e. why is it especially unlikely) - -Bene ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 13:09:25 -0700 Subject: Message not deliverable Really-From: Administrator_at_PHS1@cclink.fhcrc.org Really-From: Richard Karty > I do wonder this sometime. How can they ignore the demand for stuff like > the early albums or "TdF", citing the sanctity of the Kraftwerk back > catalogue, and at the same time allow the release of the rather shoddily > packaged material on Cleopatra? Weird. That is the question that puzzles me even more than KW's premature retirement, and for all the speculation that we do here on the list (myself included!), I've never seen a plausible explanation for it. Or does it have something to do with ownership of material? Are the Cleopatra albums from some era of their contract where KW didn't retain re-release rights, but they do have control over earlier *and* later material... something like that? Richard ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #63 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #64 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 8 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 064 The Mix, Velvet Underground Viability of bootlegging Viability of bootlegging ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 9:06:02 MET Subject: The Mix, Velvet Underground Really-From: Erik Knain Some opinions from me om The Mix: I think that the Mix (and eventually The Mix 2) is very much in line with the KW-tradition. KW is both music and technology. They could, like other bands, produced new music by making new songs with the same technology. Instead, they do the opposite by producing new music with old songs and new technology. I find this facinating; it gives new meaning to the terms 'new' and 'contemporary' when it comes to music. Another point. I think I could hear a trace of Velvet Underground on the KW and KW2 recordings, Especially on KW[4~[. Example: The staccato rhytms, noise and minimalistic sound on Ruckzuck. " Synthetic electronic sounds, industrial rhytms all around..." Erik Knain ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 07 Oct 1994 09:52:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: Viability of bootlegging Really-From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU I've heard discussions of bootlegging and related issues here before. I have to wonder, though, how the bootmakers stay in business. I think it would be difficult to conceal CD and album pressing equipment (unless it's a lot smaller than I think it is), hard to mask an operation- selling records- in which publicity is a key to success, and a task to produce better quality boots than someone else. Essentially, what I'm asking is how the bootmakers surive and thrive. I've tried to come up with an answer but haven't succeeded. (*----------+--------+--------------------------------*) (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) (*----------+--------+------+----------------+--------*) (* Computational Math major | Albion College | Senior *) (*--------------------------+----------------+--------*) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:44:12 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Viability of bootlegging Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > I've heard discussions of bootlegging and related issues here before. I > have to wonder, though, how the bootmakers stay in business. I think it > would be difficult to conceal CD and album pressing equipment (unless it's > a lot smaller than I think it is), hard to mask an operation- selling > records- in which publicity is a key to success, and a task to produce > better quality boots than someone else. You make a couple of incorrect assumptions here: That bootleggers "press-their-own". They don't. Most bootlegs are pressed in legitimate pressing plants. They get away with it because the plants don't know (or in some cases care) what they're putting onto the disc, or because the runs are slipped in by plant employees after-hours, or whatever. That "publicity is a key to success". Bootlegs are aimed at fanatics, not at the general marketplace. The fanatics are out there looking for the bootlegs, not the other way 'round -- all the bootlegger has to do is generate product that the stores think they can sell. (And once it's out there they've already made their money anyway.) That it's hard to stay in business when you're making product for $1.50 a unit and wholesaling it at ten times that. I assure you that with these profit margins, it's *very* easy to stay in business. :-) A 2000-disc run (like the OWM-9301 bootleg of the Blade Runner soundtrack) might cost you $5000 and net you a return of about $25,000. It's very lucrative, which is why bootlegging exists in the first place. - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #64 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #65 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 9 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 065 Bootlegs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 94 10:03:13 EST Subject: Bootlegs Really-From: rivera@USCN.BITNET (Enrique Rivera, Pre-Engineer at Columbus College) Hiya! One thing I might add to this discussion of bootlegs.. I've noticed that most bootleg sellers are based in the Italy, the Netherlands, Australia, or some other location other than their primary selling market like the US or UK. Perhaps this is to take advantage of less strict copyright laws? I'm not very familiar with them. It may also be more probably to escape prosecution by working out of the country. I've heard Kiss the Stone records, a MAJOR boot producer, is based in Italy, yet the workers when you call them speak perfect English. Maybe they're only there to escape "FBI.. and Scotland Yard.." :) Mr disco rivera%USCN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #65 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #66 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 11 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 066 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 ?64 Vocoder effects a la Kraftwerk Re: Vocoder effects a la Kraftwerk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 08:48:51 +0100 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 ?64 Really-From: John Mccall Richey MTV Europe...party zone Friday 6th, 1994. Richie Hawtin from Detroit is being interviewed by some MTV goonette and she asks if he has any requests for a video, he says, "any Kraftwerk Video." Richie is a.k.a Plastikman, etc. and he founded Plus 8 Records. *********** The KW 1 Bootleg is easily available, how about the KW 2 on CD. *********** The Mix 2 ?? Any more comments. JMR ************************************************************************ * John M. Richey * * jrichey@sitvxc.stevens-tech.edu (Vax/Vms) * * jrichey@gauss.stevens-tech.edu (NeXT) * * jrichey@menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu (Sun/SGI) * * jrichey@laplace.math.stevens-tech.edu (NeXT/Math Lab) * * Stevens Institute of Technology * * Hoboken, NJ USA * * For Home Page: http://menger.eecs.stevens-tech.edu/~jrichey * * Technishce Universitaet Berlin * * johndjfd@w250zrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE * ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 12:50:10 BST Subject: Vocoder effects a la Kraftwerk Really-From: "SHANE J. WIMS" Hi, Does anyone know of a piece of software for PC with soundblaster which could take a sample and apply a vocoder effect similar to Kraftwerk or Elektric Music? Thanks Shane J ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 12:57:10 +0000 Subject: Re: Vocoder effects a la Kraftwerk Really-From: d.a.davies@bham.ac.uk (David Davies) >Does anyone know of a piece of software for PC with soundblaster which could >take a sample and apply a vocoder effect similar to Kraftwerk or Elektric >Music? You can do this very nicely with a Mac and PlainTalk text-to-speech software, completely free from ftp.support.apple.com. No extra hardware required. Dave Davies. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #66 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #67 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 12 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 067 Re: The Mix CEMA Special Markets = ? Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Re: CEMA Special Markets = ? kraftwerk-digest V2 #66 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 12:58:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: The Mix Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Erik Knain > > Some opinions from me om The Mix: > I think that the Mix (and eventually The Mix 2) is very much in line > with the KW-tradition. KW is both music and technology. They could, > like other bands, produced new music by making new songs with the > same technology. Instead, they do the opposite by producing new music > with old songs and new technology. I find this facinating Yeah. I thought about this some time ago! On first thought, a Mix 2 would be somewhat disappointing, as it would not contain any new songs (nevertheless, it would be very welcome), but then, if you think twice about it, the driving KW force is new technology and sounds. I remember a quote from an interview with Ralf, in which he said they spent 5 minutes on the melody and then hours, days, months, etc. on the sound. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 20:19:44 +0100 Subject: CEMA Special Markets = ? Really-From: Kevin Busby I have a cassette LP issue of 'Radio-Activity' which was issued by the Capitol subsidiary 'CEMA Special Markets'. Can someone please tell me the purpose of this subsidiary? TIA, kevinb ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 20:24:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Profile of a Kraftwerk fan Really-From: Kevin Busby Lisa R. Larribeau wrote:- >OK, I can't resist replying to this one. I am 30 and first >heard Kraftwerk when I was in high school (around 1979) when a local >junior college screened Fritz Lang's Metropolis accompanied by Man Machine. I always wondered why nobody had done that; and it turns out someone did! :-) >I haven't met a lot of other Kraftwerk fans in my life (other than my >husband who did actually see one of their Computer World shows) so it is >great to find other people who are true fans. By the way, I have noticed >that most of the messages flying around on this list are from guys. Are >there any female KW fans out there? Damn, the world's only female Kraftwerk fan and she's spoken for. :-) :-) Ob. profile:- "My name's Kevin and I'm a Kraftwerkaholic..." My introduction to the group was hearing 'Spacelab' on the radio, quite soon after it came out. I thought it was strikingly simple (heh) compared to the Jean Michel Jarre, Tomita and musique concrete I was listening to at the time, but I loved the idea of an all-electronic "band". A friend lent me 'Trans Europe Express', which initially perplexed me with its deceptive simplicity, but which I very quickly learned to love. I subsequently bought their other albums as time went by of course! Saw them live in Brighton in 1981, wouldn't mind seeing them live again! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 14:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: CEMA Special Markets = ? Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman > Really-From: Kevin Busby > > I have a cassette LP issue of 'Radio-Activity' which was issued by the > Capitol subsidiary 'CEMA Special Markets'. Can someone please tell me > the purpose of this subsidiary? To rip you off. Christopher Robin Zimmerman ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 23:22 CET Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #66 Really-From: pivic@skom.se (Niklas Pivic) > Really-From: John Mccall Richey > MTV Europe...party zone Friday 6th, 1994. > > Richie Hawtin from Detroit is being interviewed by some MTV goonette an > she asks if he has any requests for a video, he says, "any Kraftwerk Vi Didn't he say "I'd like to see `Electric Cafe'."? The hostess, btw, was Simone Angel. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #67 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #68 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 13 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 068 FOR SALE: RADIOACTIVITY PROMOTIONAL DISPLAY CUBE YELLO (sorry!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 12 Oct 94 20:54:00 GMT Subject: FOR SALE: RADIOACTIVITY PROMOTIONAL DISPLAY CUBE Really-From: rwn@ihlpf.att.com Kraftwerk Fans: I've decided that its time to sell my beloved RADIOACTIVITY promo cube. This is a cardboard cube 13 inches X 13 inches (six sides) which was used as a record store promotional item when RADIOACTIVITY was first released in 1975. The PROMO cube shows the front and back covers of the original vinyl release album, and the side pictures are the group shot that was in the inner sleeve showing all four members of Kraftwerk dressed in black suits. Cost is $35.00 including UPS shipping within the continental U.S. Thanks, Bob Neumann PO Box 1582 Bridgeview, Illinois 60455 Phones: work 708-713-1333 home 708-257-0579 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 07:54:22 MET Subject: YELLO (sorry!) Really-From: Muegeli Thomas Sorry for the lack of KW - Content, but: Does anybody on this list know what ever happened to the YELLO - Mailinglist? Their new album is scheduled for release the 17th of october 1994 and it's called ZEBRA. As I'm working for a newspaper Dieter Meier will call me up on Friday for an interview via the phone (15 Minutes). Thought that it might be nice to ask him questions from fans from the "Information"-Highway all over the world? Greetings Thomas \\\\ ( o o ) ************oOO**(_)**OOo******************************************************* Thomas Muegeli * Universitaet Bern (HB9ONG) * Historisches Institut * Forschungsstelle fuer Regional- und Umweltgeschichte Waldstrasse 1 * Uni Tobler (Lerchenweg 36, Zimmer S224) 3427 Utzenstorf * 3000 Bern 9 Switzerland * Switzerland * ++41 (+65) 45 13 89 * Phone: ++41 (0)31/631 48 03 Fax: ++41 (0)31/631 48 66 * Internet: muegeli@hist.unibe.ch * HEPNET/SPAN: 20579::49203::muegeli ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #68 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #69 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 14 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 069 Re: FOR SALE: RADIOACTIVITY PROMOTIONAL DISPLAY CUBE Re: FOR SALE: Sorry!!! YELLO (sorry!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 09:52:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: FOR SALE: RADIOACTIVITY PROMOTIONAL DISPLAY CUBE Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Kraftwerk Fans: > > I've decided that its time to sell my beloved RADIOACTIVITY > promo cube. This is a cardboard cube 13 inches X 13 inches > (six sides) which was used as a record store promotional > item when RADIOACTIVITY was first released in 1975. The PROMO > cube shows the front and back covers of the original > vinyl release album, and the side pictures are the group shot > that was in the inner sleeve showing all four members of > Kraftwerk dressed in black suits. > > Cost is $35.00 including UPS shipping within the continental > U.S. > > Thanks, > > Bob Neumann > PO Box 1582 > Bridgeview, Illinois 60455 > > Phones: work 708-713-1333 > home 708-257-0579 > > Hello Bob, I do want this promo cube. I will of course pay the extra postage to Europe. (It'll be expensive!) $35 plus postage. I can also propose you a trade. Let me know if you need any record. I have quite a lot of records for swap, some very rare. Let me know. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 20:05:19 +0000 Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Sorry!!! Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Sorry I replied wrongly to the list! I was so excited... I am to blame! :( Jose ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 13:34:47 -0600 (MDT) Subject: YELLO (sorry!) Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > Sorry for the lack of KW - Content, but: Does anybody on this list know what > ever happened to the YELLO - Mailinglist? It moved to cs.uwp.edu. To subscribe, email majordomo@cs.uwp.edu with "subscr!be yello" on a line by itself in the body of the message. - -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #69 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #70 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 15 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 070 trivia Re: trivia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 13:12:41 -0400 Subject: trivia Really-From: erik christopher drake Hello, I joined the Kraftwerk mailing list a couple of weeks ago and have learned quite a lot. My contributions to the bank of Kraftwerk knowledge: There is an album of string quartet renditions of 6 or 7 KW pieces. It was released a couple of years ago by the Balanescu Quartet. I remember The Model and Robots, but there are more. It is a very fun album - maybe the closest we'll come to Kraftwerk Unplugged. Siouxsie and the Banshees did a cover of Hall of Mirrors on an album in the late 80's. A small Athens, GA band did a cover of Neon Lights. I can't remember the band's name off hand, but if anyone's curious I can find out. OMD did a cover of Neon Lights in '91 or '92. There is a song on New Order's Power Corruption and Lies called 'Your Silent Face'. This was originally called TK1 (That Kraftwerk One) because of it's TEE-era rhythms. One of the songs on a recent Bill Laswell 'Ambient' album (not on the usual Axiom label) is based on a Kraftwerk song. The album was pretty horrid, so I've forgotten the details. A friend told me to check the New Release list in Alternative Press for information on the new Kraftwerk. - -Big hellos, Erik Drake (University of Kentucky, Lexington) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 14:51:34 EST Subject: Re: trivia Really-From: rivera@USCN.BITNET (Enrique Rivera, Pre-Engineer at Columbus College) Hiya! Nitpick alert! That New Order song off PC&L was titled KW1, not TK1. The rhythm and bassline kinda resembles Europe Endless IMHO... Hmm.. I'd love to hear those string quartet covers! :) Any idea what the label/cat. no./performers are?? Mr disco rivera%USCN.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #70 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #71 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 16 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 071 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #70 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 1994 16:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #70 Really-From: SUBRATAB@delphi.com re String Quartet: Balanescu Quartet, "Possessed", Mute (U.K.) STUMM 111 (CD_ - - Subrata ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #71 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #72 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 17 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 072 KW bootleg/Bender albums ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 94 14:32:00 +0100 Subject: KW bootleg/Bender albums Really-From: rien.post@hacom.wlink.nl (Rien Post) In the 80's I bought myself a Kraftwerk bootleg, double album, in a yellow sleeve. The art and layout are a mix of the Man Machine and Computerworld sleeves. In the vinyl of the records it says "KW A", "KW B" etc. Can anybody tell me when and where this album was recorded ? Has there been a CD release in the mean time ? Are there more Kraftwerk bootlegs, and how to obtain them ? Etc, etc, etc. Can anybody tell me more about this ? And something else, along the same lines but slightly off-topic so I'll ask it just once: I once got a John Bender album called 'I don't remember now' Electronic music, distorted vocals. Great music. After that I stripped the Netherlands (yep, I'm Dutch) for more Bender music and I found 'Plaster Falling', so I had two albums. I found out he made a third album, so the quest continued and a while ago I managed to buy this 3rd album (called 'Pop Surgery') of a fellow netizen from Chicago. So I finally had all Bender albums. I thought. Little problem: the release numbers don't match. The albums were released on the 'Record Sluts' label, presumably Bender's own label. 'I don't remember now' is Record Sluts 1, 'Plaster Falling' is Record Sluts 3, 'Pop Surgery' is Record Sluts 4, while I expected it to be # 2... So you can guess the Big Question: is there yet another Bender album around, being Record Sluts 2 ? And if so, what's it called ? And if you happen to own it, want to sell ? Any Bender information would be appreciated a LOT. Thanks. rien.post@hacom.wlink.nl * MTL 1 * Rien n'est plus common que le nom... - ---- HACOM BBS, The Netherlands. +31-33-803610/801882/806321. All nodes 28K8! ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #72 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #73 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 18 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 073 FAQ V.1.1 pointer/cover versions Re: FAQ V.1.1 pointer/cover versions Items for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 17:48:14 +0100 Subject: FAQ V.1.1 pointer/cover versions Really-From: Kevin Busby erik christopher drake wrote:- >There is an album of string quartet renditions of 6 or 7 KW pieces. >It was released a couple of years ago by the Balanescu Quartet. I >remember The Model and Robots, but there are more. It is a very fun >album - maybe the closest we'll come to Kraftwerk Unplugged. Hi, This is in fact one subject which is covered by the FAQ. I'm NOT meaning to flame Erik by mentioning it, since it's only fairly recently that I've found the time to request Dave Datta (list maintainer) to bring it to the attention of new members! I also sent Dave version 1.1 of the FAQ. There aren't any spectacular changes, but if you want to see it, it should, I hope, be available for FTP download from the Kraftwerk archives at ftp.uwp.edu. >Siouxsie and the Banshees did a cover of Hall of Mirrors on an album >in the late 80's. > >A small Athens, GA band did a cover of Neon Lights. I can't remember >the band's name off hand, but if anyone's curious I can find out. If it's a released version (not just part of their live set!) I would be interested, for inclusion in the following discography of Kraftwerk cover versions. I hope the discography amuses list members, rather than being a mere anal-retentive waste of bandwidth... It's cobbled together mostly from information provided on this mailing list, so thanks to everyone whose information I've lifted; I normally like to credit all sources when compiling a discography, but in this case I constructed it while compiling the first version of the FAQ, and didn't keep a full record. There was just to much to process as it was, so sorry to any thwarted seekers of fame. :-) - ---- rather sloppy discography follows ---- Cover Versions of Kraftwerk Songs V. 1.00 17th October 1994 Compiled by Kevin Busby Here's a listing of Kraftwerk songs covered by other artists. The cover versions are grouped together by the title of the original song. This discography does not include songs which are not intended as cover versions but which include samples, melodies or other elements from Kraftwerk music. Some entries are incomplete and some may be spurious. This list includes information trawled from past issues of Kraftwerk email list digests, so thanks to anyone whose information I repeat here. Airwaves Beitthron - 'Airwaves' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) Antenna Z-Entropa - 'Antenna' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) Autobahn The Balanescu Quartet - 'Autobahn' ('Possessed' CD, UK, Mute, 1994, CDSTUMM 111 USA, Mute, 1992, CD61421-2) Transformator Station - 'Autobahn/RUHR' ('Dusseldorf Nachtexpress' 2CD, 1993) Computer Love The Balanescu Quartet - 'Computer Love' ('Possessed' CD, UK, Mute, 1994, CDSTUMM 111 USA, Mute, 1992, CD61421-2) Hall of Mirrors / Spiegelsaal Siouxsie and the Banshies - 'Hall of Mirrors' (on 'Through the Looking Glass' comp. album, details unknown) Transformator Station - 'Spiegalsaal' ('Dusseldorf Nachtexpress' 2CD, 1993) Home Computer Random Logic - 'Home Computer' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) It's More Fun to Compute Transformator Station - 'It's More Fun to Compute' ('Dusseldorf Nachtexpress' 2CD, 1993) Kometenmelodie Part 1 300,000 V.K. - Kometenmelodie Part 1 ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) Man Machine Strelnikoff - 'Man Machine' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131. Also on 'Tonal Evidence 7' limited edition Mute comp. CD, 1994) The Model / Das Model The Balanescu Quartet - 'Model' ('Possessed' CD, UK, Mute, 1994, CDSTUMM 111 USA, Mute, 1992, CD61421-2) Between the Sheets - 'Late Night Radio' (medley containing 'Radioactivity', 'The Robots', 'The Model' and 'Trans Europe Express') (12", Italy?, 198?) Big Black - 'The Model' (on 7" and on album 'Songs About Fucking') Demolition Group - 'The Model' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) The Dots - 'The Model' Hikashu - 'The Model' ('Tokyo Mobile Music Volume 1' comp. LP, Japan, Mobile Suit Corporation) Kr.ger (or Kroeger) - 'Das Model' (12" and CD, Germany, Hansa, 1991) Love Tractor - 'The Model' (on LP) The Members - 'The Model' Ride - 'The Model' ('Ruby Tracks' comp. LP, UK, 199?) Snakefinger - 'The Model' ('Chewing Hides the Sound' LP, Virgin, 198?, V 2140) Sticky Fingers - 'The Model' Neon Lights / Neonlicht Mitja V.S. (with Enzo Fabiani Quartet) - 'Neonlicht' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark - 'Neon Lights' (from...?) Ohm Sweet Ohm Borghesia - 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) Pocket Calculator The Balanescu Quartet - 'Pocket Calculator' ('Possessed' CD, UK, Mute, 1994, CDSTUMM 111 USA, Mute, 1992, CD61421-2) Transformator Station - 'Pocket Calculator' ('Dusseldorf Nachtexpress' 2CD, 1993) Radioactivity / Radioaktivitaet April Nine - 'Radioactivity' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) Between the Sheets - 'Late Night Radio' (medley containing 'Radioactivity', 'The Robots', 'The Model' and 'Trans Europe Express') (12", Italy?, 198?) Transformator Station - 'Radioaktivitaet' ('Dusseldorf Nachtexpress' 2CD, 1993) Trauma - 'Radioaktivitaet' ('Fractal I' CD, US, Machinery) The Robots The Balanescu Quartet - 'Robots' ('Possessed' CD, UK, Mute, 1994, CDSTUMM 111 USA, Mute, 1992, CD61421-2) Between the Sheets - 'Late Night Radio' (medley containing 'Radioactivity', 'The Robots', 'The Model' and 'Trans Europe Express') (12", Italy?, 198?) Coptic Rain - 'The Robots' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) Transformator Station - 'Robots' ('Dusseldorf Nachtexpress' 2CD, 1993) Ruckzuck Technocrat's -'Ruckzuck - Duesseldorf #3' - 'Ruckzuck - Nottingham #1' - 'Ruckzuck - Sheffield #1' - 'Ruckzuck - Duesseldorf #1' - '....zuck - Sheffield #4' - 'Ruckzuck - Dusseldorf #2' (All the above from 'Ruckzuck (Dusseldorf - Nottingham - Sheffield)' CDEP, Germany, Rough Trade, 1991, RTD 176.1252.2 26) Spacelab Videosex - 'Spacelab' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) Tour de France 10-Speed - 'Tour de France' ('Breakin'' (aka 'Breakdance') soundtrack comp. album) Trans Europe Express The One You Love - 'Trans Europe Express' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) Transformator Station - 'T.E.E.' ('Dusseldorf Nachtexpress' 2CD, 1993) Transistor Data Processed Corruption - 'Transistor' ('Trans Slovenia Express' comp. CD, Mute, 1994, CD STUMM 131) - ---- end discography ---- If there's interest in the above discography, I'll spend a bit more time bringing it up to scratch; at the moment it's just a quickie! :-) Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 15:22:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: FAQ V.1.1 pointer/cover versions Really-From: Geoff Weasel Another version of "Radioactivity" is by Treponem Pal, from their AGGRESSION album, released in 1990 (?), on Roadracer Records.... really shitty version, but oh well. - --- Geoff We@sel ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 22:39:07 +0100 (MET) Subject: Items for sale Really-From: bombuzal Hello Kraftwerk fans, I have the next items for sale on CD. All items are new : US$ UK Pound DM NLG - - Organisation - Tonefloat 21 14 32 35 - - Ralf & Florian 21 14 32 35 - - Kraftwerk 1 18 12 28 30 - - Kraftwerk 2 18 12 28 30 - - The Man Machine Recreated 21 14 32 35 - - Enregistree A L'Olympia (Live 81) 21 14 32 35 - - Book 'Man, Machine and Music' 18 12 28 30 The first four CDs have bonus tracks. Postage is not included. Please contact me on bombuzal@xs4all.nl ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #73 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #74 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 19 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 074 Re: FAQ V.1.1 pointer/cover versions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 94 14:49:25 +0100 Subject: Re: FAQ V.1.1 pointer/cover versions Really-From: Keseru Imre Hi, The cover v. of Neon Lights by Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark was released in 1991 on their Sugar Tax LP by Virgin Records. Bye PS: DAve Datta, would you Keseru Imre send me the FAQ please h330513@huszeg11.bitnet thanks. h330513@jate1.cc.u-szeged.hu ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #74 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #75 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 20 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 075 Unsubscribe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 14:03:04 +0100 Subject: Unsubscribe Really-From: sv3terca@ida.his.se (Terje Carlsson) Please delete me from the subscribe-list. Thanx in advance.. Terje Carlsson. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #75 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #76 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 21 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 076 subscribe Top Songs? RE: Top Songs? Re: Top Songs? Re: Top Songs? Re: Top Songs? Tokyo mobile cover Re: Top Songs? Re: Top Songs? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:44:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: subscribe Really-From: "SC Waterhouse" subscribe u2k46@potter.keele.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:52:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Top Songs? Really-From: Phil Brown Attention all you Kraftwerk Fans! What are your fave. Kraftwerk songs. I know that you'd like to say ALL of them but you must have some that you like more than other! My fave song is the album version of Autobahn, you know the long one! Any others? _______ _______ _______ / / / / / / =================================== / / / / / / | Philip Brown | / / / / / / | Mathematics Institute | /_______/ / / /_______/_ | University of Warwick | / / / / / | Coventry | / / / / / | CV4 7AL | / / / / / | e-mail: mauim@csv.warwick.ac.uk | / /______/ /_________/ =================================== ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 20 Oct 1994 13:19:39 +0000 (U) Subject: RE: Top Songs? Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >What are your fave. Kraftwerk songs. I know that you'd like to say ALL >of them but you must have some that you like more than other! MY favorite is the Classic 'Numbers/Computer World Part 2'. The ultimate in Melodic Funk! Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:36:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Top Songs? Really-From: Keseru Imre Hi, My favourite KW song is definitely the ...huh...which????...hard to choose only one...Ok... say the Tour de France. Keseru Imre h330513@huszeg11.bitnet ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:30:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Top Songs? Really-From: "George A. Rosas" favourite?? Has to be Ohm Sweet Ohm What can I say ... ;) Im a minimalist... hehe Trance... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Top Songs? Really-From: "Lisa R. Larribeau GITANE Jonathan B. Klinkroth" My favorite KW song is Europe Endless - can't beat that swelling intro! - Lisa ______________________________________________________________________________ gitane@netcom.com is Lisa Larribeau & Jon Klinkroth ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:30:00 +0100 Subject: Tokyo mobile cover Really-From: dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl (Dolf Wiemer) KML>The Model / Das Model > Hikashu - 'The Model' > ('Tokyo Mobile Music Volume 1' comp. LP, Japan, Mobile Suit Corporatio What a surprise!. Bought this album couple of years ago, for the price of about 1 US$, but never new there was a cover version on it from 'THE MODEL'. Never listened to side B, just side A for some other song. What a FAQ can do to you. Info on my record: Mercury 6359 101, printed in the Netherlands but released by Phonogram UK. - ---- HACOM BBS, The Netherlands. +31-33-803610/801882/806321. All nodes 28K8! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:56:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Top Songs? Really-From: Gregor B Rochow several...definitely Autobahn (album v.) and Roboter, both old and new...and of course Ohm Sweet Ohm. BTW: whoever had that list: please send me the U.S. number of the Balanescu (sp?) quartet CD. - -gbr ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Top Songs? Really-From: "Aaron J. Grier" On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, Phil Brown wrote: > What are your fave. Kraftwerk songs. I know that you'd like to say ALL > of them but you must have some that you like more than other! I really like "computer love" off of computer world. It's so nice and mellow. :-) - ---- The Finn / VLA Aaron J. Grier agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #76 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #77 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 22 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 077 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #76 Top songs Mime-Version: 1.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 09:21:56 EDT Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #76 Really-From: sean my favorite songs would have to be radioactivity and geiger counter ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 09:33:12 EDT Subject: Top songs Really-From: "YEDID,GABRIEL,MR" I'd say my faves are the Mix version of "The Robots" and "Music non Stop" (album and Mix versions). Gabe QUIT ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 08:44:50 -47900 Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Really-From: Brandon Price subscribe satan@irionik.gtlug.org ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #77 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #78 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 23 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 078 Top Songs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 94 21:19:00 UTC Subject: Top Songs Really-From: ars@slcmail.geis.com Album version of Autobahn was the first thing I ever bought of Kraftwerk and is still my favorite. Closely followed by Kristallo on Ralf and Florian. All that early stuff is sooooo good. I could have listed the whole of Ralf and Florian!! Anthony ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #78 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #79 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 24 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 079 kraftwerk-digest V2 #35 (Forward) Mute email address Europe Endless ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 21:43:04 +0000 Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #35 (Forward) Really-From: humphrys andrew j <92125112@brookes.ac.uk> [Bounce of entire digest 35 deleted] ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 1994 21:44:17 +0000 Subject: Mute email address Really-From: humphrys andrew j <92125112@brookes.ac.uk> greetings could someone tell me what the email address of Mute is ? is it in the states or here in the UK ?? thanx in advance Andy ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 01:37:16 GMT Subject: Europe Endless Really-From: kevinb@decision.demon.co.uk (Kevin Busby) Lisa R. Larribeau GITANE wrote:- >My favorite KW song is Europe Endless - can't beat that swelling intro! Yes, it's wonderful. But isn't it strange the way the tape seems to be stretched?! I've always wondered whether the pitch "glitches" on the opening sequence are deliberate or not! Gregor B Rochow wrote:- >BTW: whoever had that list: please send me the U.S. number > of the Balanescu (sp?) quartet CD. >From the FAQ:- :in the UK and USA at least. The catalogue number of the CD is Mute 61421-2 :for the US release and CD STUMM 111 for the UK release. See digests 1.058, :1.063 and 2.023 for discussions. BTW, if anyone needs a copy of the latest FAQ, email me, since it doesn't seem to have been installed at the ftp.uwp.edu Kraftwerk archives as yet. kevinb - -- Decisions, decisions... ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #79 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #80 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 25 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 080 Re: Top Songs? Re: Mute email address Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #79 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:53:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Top Songs? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, Phil Brown wrote: > > > What are your fave. Kraftwerk songs. I know that you'd like to say ALL > > of them but you must have some that you like more than other! See in the back issues of the digests the results of two different polls. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 09:20:56 GMT-0600 Subject: Re: Mute email address Really-From: jpunaro@next-hgo.hgo.itesm.mx ( Jorge Punaro) Hola, >could someone tell me what the email address of Mute is ? >is it in the states or here in the UK ?? telneting mutelibtech.com you will reach Mute BBS on England. and for Mute Mailing List (on the USA): _____________________________________________________________________ MuteNews is a semi-monthly on-line newsletter from Mute Records in New York. To subscribe to MuteNews, send a message to mutenews@mute.com with the message subscribe MuteNews in the subject line or body of the message CONVERSELY... To remove your name from the MuteNews mailing list, send a message to mutenews@mute.com with the message unsubscribe MuteNews in the subject line or body of the message To have specific questions regarding Mute or NovaMute answered send a message to mute@mute.com OR novamute@mute.com We do not answer questions regarding Depeche Mode. Please address these questions in the various Warner Reprise on-line forums. _____________________________________________________________________ Enjoy it! Saludos Jorge ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 09:31:12 -0700 Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #79 Really-From: scodav@mercury.sfsu.edu (JOHN SCOTT DAVEY)  ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #80 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #81 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 28 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 081 List problems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:16:32 -0500 Subject: List problems Really-From: datta (David Datta) It seems none of the lists have been working for several days. I believe the problem is now fixed. If this message goes out, things are back to normal. Discussions may continue..... I do not have any of the mail that was sent to the list for the last 2 days... - -- ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #81 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #82 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 29 October 1994 Volume 02 : Number 082 Tour De France ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:47:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Tour De France Really-From: Richard Ingram Just a quick note, on UK Gold (Astra Sat) last night they had a Top Of The Pops from August 1983, and guess what they played, yep Kraftwerks Tour De France (just entered at number 28). Unfortunately the guys were not in the studio, nor did they show the video :-(, they did have a bunch of people cycling on bikes with the rear wheel off the ground ! Bye, Richard. PS I got it on video, not stereo but its better quality that a pirate CD I have ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #82 ******************************