From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #26 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 1 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 026 Missing digests missing back issues Bits And Pieces Re: Bits And Pieces Re: Bits And Pieces Re: cleopatra box and more Re: cleopatra box and more Technopop Re: cleopatra box and more CD deleted Re: cleopatra box and more Newcomer Re: CD deleted ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 07:37:53 -0500 Subject: Missing digests Really-From: David Datta I put a file called "1-100" into the archives which contains the rest of the missing files or the complete contents of digests 1-100. I will see what I can do about making Majordomo put the new digests into the FTP archives. It is apparantly not doing this now... ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 07:30:38 -0500 Subject: missing back issues Really-From: David Datta In article <33usgt$gg@cs.uwp.edu> you wrote: : Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) : By the way, Luke says there are over 100 back issues missing from ftp.uwp.edu. : I should have copies of at least some. I'll see if I have them. I just moved these files into the archive. I didn't know they were missing (I take the blame, I also didn't look): 1.214 1.227 1.228 1.229 1.231 1.233 1.235 1.236 1.237 1.238 1.255 1.257 1.258 1.259 1.260 1.261 1.262 1.263 1.264 1.265 1.266 1.267 1.343 1.344 1.376 1.377 1.378 1.379 1.380 1.381 1.382 1.383 1.384 1.386 1.387 1.388 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 14:11:36 BST Subject: Bits And Pieces Really-From: Al Crawford Now that Mute are on the net, I've been in touch with them regarding _Trans-Slovenia Express_. According to Peter Wright at Mute, "the TSE album is DEFINITELY not a limited edition here or anywhere in the world." This seems somewhat at odds with the large "Limited Edition CD - 1 of 1,000" sticker on the front of my _TSE_ CD, but it's certainly good news for those who had been desperately seeking a copy of it. I've also followed up the recent thread which mentioned Mute trying to get hold of the rights to the early Kraftwerk albums by suggesting that they enquire again, since Ralf and Florian might be more amenable to a CD release now that there's bootleg versions of all the early albums available. This information will apparently be passed on to DM - who knows, maybe we will manage to get official releases this time. Peter also had some other news. Namely, that Kraftwerk have just been dropped by Elektra when they seem to be on the verge of delivering a new album. Both *very* interesting pieces of news if there's any truth behind them. Al - -- Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165 Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 09:10:18 CDT Subject: Re: Bits And Pieces Really-From: woody So, will Mute be releases the cd in the UK and the US or not? ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 09:19:22 GMT-0600 Subject: Re: Bits And Pieces Really-From: jpunaro@next-hgo.hgo.itesm.mx ( Jorge Punaro) >So, will Mute be releases the cd in the UK and the US or not? According to AP magazine the cd should be out on the USA in august. Jorge ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 18:13:46 +0000 Subject: Re: cleopatra box and more Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Well, Since nobody seemed to be interested at the time when I posted this, I'm reposting it again in case there's now more interest. > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > > We should try to do something about the planned Cleo box. > > We can also try other labels release stuff not available on CD (I am > thinking of the first LPs, Tour de France, some b-sides, etc.) > > Is there interest to try to do something, or just apathy? > > If there's interest, let's discuss about it! Discussion could be about the contents of possible and *feasible* releases, not dreaming boxes like the one in aktivitaet #6 (which is fun reading and made me laugh). Certainly I won't buy again the Cleo CD's no matter how they change the packaging. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 1994 17:47:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: cleopatra box and more Really-From: Richard Ingram > > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > > Well, > > Since nobody seemed to be interested at the time when I posted this, > I'm reposting it again in case there's now more interest. > > > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > > > > We should try to do something about the planned Cleo box. > > > > We can also try other labels release stuff not available on CD (I am > > thinking of the first LPs, Tour de France, some b-sides, etc.) > > > > Is there interest to try to do something, or just apathy? > > > > If there's interest, let's discuss about it! Well I would like the early albums on CD, and Tour De France, ho could we go about getting the stuff on CD ? Do we want a limited edition run for enthusiasts (say 1000) or do we try and get some of the big boys to do the release ? How would it be distributed ? To specialised mail order shops or via mail to people on this list and the Fanzine ? Oh talking of tha 'zine what is the address to get it from (e-mail me or post to the list). It can be done if we get the rights to do it ! Bye for now, Rich. +----------------------+-------------------------------------------------------+ | ---- --- | The Crows Maintain, A Single Crow Could Destroy | | / / / | Heaven, That Is Doubtless, But Doesn't Move Heaven, | | / ANGERINE /__/ REAM | For, Heaven Implies Precisely: Impossibility Of Crows | | | +----------------+------------------------+ | To Dream Is To Live | Franz Kafka | Richard Ingram | rji@inmos.co.uk | +----------------------+-------------+----------------+------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 94 19:11:05 BST Subject: Technopop Really-From: Al Crawford While fiddling around with my SPARCStation's microphone (I'm pleased to announce that the arrival of mail from this illustrious list now provokes a brief burst of "Tour De France" :-)) it occurred to me that it must be somewhat frustrating for those on the list who've heard the recent discussion about how *wonderful* and *exciting* and *different* the demo version of "Technopop" that's circulating on various bootlegs is. With this in mind, I've fiddled around with the microphone, my Discman and some headphones (yep, the real hi-tech approach here, as used by the professionals) to produce a semi-listenable sample of the first two minutes of this track. It's in the standard .au 8-bit uLaw format (no, I don't have any converters to .wav or whatever, find them yourselves!) and can be found on the World Wide Web at http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/awrc/technopop.au Please be warned that a) the file is large (800K+), b) our WWW server is slow and c) the sound quality leaves something to be desired. It's good enough to get a feel for the track at least, although Ralf sounds less Ralf-like on the sampled version than in the original and the whole thing sounds decidedly tinny and distorted. Please *don't* make any WWW links to this, since I don't plan to keep it around for more than a week or two at most (considerably less if the load it places on our server arouses the wrath of the sysops). For those of you who're concerned about copyright, the limited period for which this will be accessible, coupled with the fact that it cuts off after 2 minutes sharp and the awful sound quality will hopefully convince you that this *isn't* an attempt to bootleg music over the net, and is merely to let those who might be interested have a quick listen. Al - -- Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165 Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 1994 10:03:02 +0000 Subject: Re: cleopatra box and more Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Richard Ingram > Well I would like the early albums on CD, and Tour De France, ho could we go > about getting the stuff on CD ? I think the only possibility would that a record label persuade ralf & florian to allow their release on CD, either limited or standard. Maybe they'd be keener on a limited run? > How would it be distributed ? To specialised mail order shops or via mail to > people on this list and the Fanzine ? With other bands this would certainly be possible, but not with kraftwerk. > Oh talking of tha 'zine what is the address to get it from (e-mail me or post > to the list). This question again! Address of the editor: Ian Calder 108 Cummings Park Crescent Northfield Aberdeen AB2 7AR Scotland It is preferable that you send an IRC or SAE for reply. Adresses for distribution in USA, Germany and Spain also available (see soon the FAQ file compiled by Kevin). On another note, Richard and some other people: No flames intended, but I think your signature is too long, this meaning people who pay to get this list has to pay more, and the digest files get bigger. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 11:08:29 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: CD deleted Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Hi to all there, I have som very interesting news to spread: 1. The "new" CD set for release in Japan on Aug. 31 has been withdrawn, according to a message from Esprit mailorder / UK. No new release date has been given. 2. According to a news bit in the german music press, a release party for Trans Slowenien Express is held in Ljubljana on Sept.1. It is also said that Kwerk (Huetter/Schneider) are expected to "give their blessing". (The popes of electronic music...) 3. There are different versions of the Tone Float --> R&F bootleg CD's: the CD's I have have a clear tray with graphics under the tray. The FOC pics of KW 1 are reproduced, not so with KW 2 or the comic. (Makes me think they used a non-FOC KW 2, what do you think, Jose?) The CD's all feature BONUS TRACKS: the three tracks from the Live in Koeln 1975 CD boot on KW 1 --> R&F, the 1971 track Rueckstoss Gondoliere on the Tone Float CD. (This track is unreleased on any format; it's a live piece from a german TV show called Beatclub. It's from the time when Huetter was not with KW. Running time 11 mins. Sounds like a KW 1/KW 2 piece) Maybe the other CD's around are better, but I define "good" as "no noise/crackle anywhere". I expected the bootleggers to have good quality vinyl... not so,it seems. The noise on these CD's is just as it has been described on the list: a crackle here, some hiss there, not really obtrusive, but worse than any oy my LP pressings. Well... Oh yes: Some of the TSE bands will perform live on a concert a day after the release party. (NOT KW!). Bye ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 00:36:17 -0800 Subject: Re: cleopatra box and more Really-From: transmat@teleport.com >Discussion could be about the contents of possible and *feasible* releases, >not dreaming boxes like the one in aktivitaet #6 (which is fun reading >and made me laugh). > I thought I posted re. my desires in a box set, but here goes again. All 12" singles, a quality video of tours etc. since they do not tour often plus an excellent book with a complete discography and choice photos. I dont think this is asking for too much. Most of it is 'in the can.' Besides, has anyone seen what can of bands get 'boxed' these days. In my mind, Kraftwerk, along with James Brown, are the musical innovators of our era. richard bleep...bleep...(what is that noize!) bleep.....transmat@teleport.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 13:39:15 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Newcomer Really-From: Anders Wahlbom My name is Anders Wahlbom, I'm 20 years old and study English at the college in Gavle, Sweden. I am also new to this list; hence this introduction. I have listened to Kraftwerk since 1989, when I borrowed a tape from a friend. The A-side of the tape contained a Jean-Michel Jarre album, which was the main reason I borrowed it, as I had just started listening to Jarre. The B-side had The Man-Machine on it, and I must confess I didn't like it at first. When I had listened to it a couple of times, it began to grow on me, and soon I was hooked. I borrowed all the KW tapes he had (which wasn't a lot; just Computerworld, Electric Cafe and the one I already had borrowed), and later bought Trans-Europe Express - it was like nothing I had ever heard! At that time, there was a guy I was vaguely acquainted with. He was three years older than me, and probably viewed me as something of a nerd. He didn't like me very much, and because of that I disliked him. That is, until we discovered that we had a similar taste of music. He was very impressed that I had Jarre's Music For Supermarkets on tape, and I let him borrow it. In exchange, he taped Ralf & Florian for me... Anyway, over the next months we became good friends. A year later, he moved to Stockholm, but we keep in touch. One of the greatest moments in my life was when I saw Kraftwerk live at Solnahallen in Stockholm 1991. It was everything I had expected and more, and I've still not recovered. I also saw Elektric Music's live premiere in Stockholm in May this year, and got to talk to Lothar Manteuffel, who also signed all my records! (Karl didn't have the time to talk, as he had to do a couple of interviews, but he signed my copy of Esperanto!) I downloaded all old digests I could find this weekend - I haven't looked through them all yet. I do, however, wish to say something about the Heute Abend bootleg: 1) There is a rumour that it was taken from a video tape. This is NOT TRUE, as I happen to know the person who taped it - it was my friend Jan, whom I mentioned earlier. He definitely used a Walkman. (The sound quality isn't all that bad, BTW.) 2) It looks cheap, but it has the following explanation: Jan, who took the photos on the cover as well, sent the tapes to someone in Denmark who was to make a CD bootleg of it. (This was well before N1 to Zurich was released.) He had also made a sleeve design, with two colour photos of Ralf and Florian. So what happened? The Dane, I understand, made a simple photocopy of the photos, and edited them so that they would look similar to the sleeve of The Mix. Then it took six months to press the CDs, and so N1 to Zurich was already out when it came. Otherwise, it would probably have been the first bootleg from The Mix tour... Non Stop! Anders Wahlbom (engh9401@abacus.hgs.se) (Death to Emacs!) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 1994 13:40:10 +0000 Subject: Re: CD deleted Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> > > Hi to all there, Hello Gunther! > 1. The "new" CD set for release in Japan on Aug. 31 has been > withdrawn, ... Now, if someone in Japan could obtain any info about this CD, which supposedly was to contain NEW material... Please post any info! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #26 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #27 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 2 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 027 WANTED: press reviews of Autobahn Got my Mute Records Heute Abend Radioaktivitaet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 1994 16:45:02 +0000 Subject: WANTED: press reviews of Autobahn Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) If anyone has, or is able to get, 1975 press reviews of the Autobahn LP, please get in touch. No matter the country of origin. They're needed for an article for Aktivitaet. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 94 10:51:34 EDT Subject: Got my Mute Records Really-From: richard@dgbt.doc.ca (Richard Paiement) I ordered a copy of both Mute CDs (Balanescu Quartet & Trans Slovenia Express) last Thursday evening, and they came in this Thuesday morning. I was surprised it took only two business days to get them, considering that TSE is a new release. Of course both are imports, and here in Ottawa we usually can get everything but some things are harder to get ot can take longer to show up. So for everyone looking for a ocpy of TSE, just ask for it, and you shouldn't have to wait very long. By the way, I did pay an arm and (part of a) leg for them, about US$28 a piece. Oh well, when you really want something... >Really-From: Al Crawford > >Now that Mute are on the net, I've been in touch with them regarding >_Trans-Slovenia Express_. According to Peter Wright at Mute, "the TSE album >is DEFINITELY not a limited edition here or anywhere in the world." This >seems somewhat at odds with the large "Limited Edition CD - 1 of 1,000" >sticker on the front of my _TSE_ CD, but it's certainly good news for those >who had been desperately seeking a copy of it. So will elucidate that limited edition sticker which is also on my copy? Richard Paiement ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 01 Sep 1994 18:52:41 +0000 Subject: Heute Abend Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Anders Wahlbom > I do, however, wish to say something about > the Heute Abend bootleg: > ...(The sound quality isn't all that bad, BTW.) Well, it *is* bad. You just compare it to N1 to Zurich or Rebuilt '92. It is incredible the silly prices that are asked for such bad quality bootleg. I've even seen it selling at 7000 pesetas + postage! ('bout 35 UK pounds.) By the way, welcome Anders to the list. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 94 19:17:00 +0200 Subject: Radioaktivitaet Really-From: dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl (Dolf Wiemer) KML> CD5: 1991 GE (EMI 1c 560-2 04516 2) > 4:12 Radioactivitaet (francois kevorkian 7" remix) > 7:27 Radioactivitaet (francois kevorkian 12" remix) > 7:23 Radioactivitaet (william orbit 12" remix) KML> CD5: 1991 UK (EMI CDEM 201) (Int: 204 552-2) > 4:12 Radioactivity (francois kevorkian 7" remix) > 7:27 Radioactivity (francois kevorkian 12" remix) > 7:23 Radioactivity (william orbit 12" remix) KML>Hmmmm. Here's what mine looks like: KML> CD5: 1991 ?? (EMI 1C 560-2 04516 2) > 4:08 Radioaktivita(e)t (Francois Kevoirkian Remix) > 7:26 Radioactivity (Francois Kevorkian Remix) > 7:23 Radioactivity (William Orbit Remix) I have also a copy of the last one. Reasons why I think this CD is the Germany release and not a Netherlands release (Made in Holland) are: 1) I bought it in Germany and 2)It's an Electrola release, in Holland its EMI and never Electrola. KML>Matrix nuts: EMI 2 04516 2 01$ >Stamped on later: 1-1-2-NL For the record: exactly the same as my copy! P.S. Why was the second William Orbit mix (hardcore, on the 12") not released on CD!!!!!!! greets/groeten, Dolf /|\ dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl /|\ / | \ Dolf Wiemer / | \ - --------------- Postbus 62 --------------- ' / | \ ` 6720 AB Bennekom ' / | \ ` / | \ The Netherlands +31 8389 13576 / | \ - ---- HACOM BBS, The Netherlands. +31-33-803610/801882/806321. All nodes 28K8! ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #27 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #28 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 3 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 028 Re: Radioaktivitaet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 94 11:25:41 +0200 Subject: Re: Radioaktivitaet Really-From: sv3terca@ida.his.se (Terje Carlsson) Yesterday, I heard a new (?) fucking dance-remix of Kraftwerk. April Nine "Radioactivity", was the name of the song, I think. This one was actually one of the best Kraftwerk-remixes and I'm just wondering if anyone knows what country the group came from. The song is a kind of ambient-enigma style version. Query: What is the E-adress to Mute? Peace, TC ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #28 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #29 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 4 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 029 Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 94 17:47 BST Subject: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Really-From: kevinb@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Kevin G Busby) Here's the first general release of the FAQ. Comments and corrections are very welcome. The address of the distributor for 'Aktivitaet' within Germany is missing in this version. Jose offered to send me this if I couldn't find it; I couldn't, but I don't want to delay getting this darn thing out any longer! So here it is, the tentative V.1.00; let me know what else you think is missing, and what changes and improvements need to be made. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Kraftwerk FAQ list or... MEGAHERTZ (Ask something a million times and you'll see it answered here.) V. 1.00 3rd September 1994 Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Kraftwerk prepared by Kevin Busby for the Kraftwerk mailing list. Many thanks to Jose Garcia for suggestions and corrections. Please send any corrections to kevinb@central.sussex.ac.uk or kevinb@central.sussex.ac.uk (both addresses may change in the near future). CONTENTS {} Introduction {} What subjects can be discussed on the list? {} What recordings have Kraftwerk made? {} What are the best Kraftwerk albums? {} How can I get copies of Kraftwerk's early albums? {} Is 'Tour de France' available on CD? {} Are the Francois Kervorkian and William Orbit remixes of 'Radioactivity' available on CD? {} Has Kraftwerk broken up? {} When will Kraftwerk release new material? I heard there was a new album coming out. {} Why did Fluer and Bartos leave Kraftwerk? What are they doing now? {} Who are 'Elektric Music'? {} Where can I find out more about Kraftwerk and Elektric Music? {} What are the ordering details for the Kraftwerk book? {} What is 'Aktivitaet'? Where can I obtain copies? {} I heard a version of a Kraftwerk song played on classical instruments; who was it by? {} What other cover versions are there of Kraftwerk songs? {} What equipment is used by Kraftwerk? {} How good are Kraftwerk bootlegs? {} What are the politics of Kraftwerk members? {} Was Kraftwerk's Florian Schneider involved with the musical projects 'Alice in Wonderland' or 'Solaria'? {} Were Ralf and Florian behind the group 'Die Dominas'? {} What Kraftwerk videos have been made? {} Concert reviews. {} What other groups are of interest to Kraftwerk fans, or have had links with Kraftwerk? {} Miscellaneous subjects. {} Introduction Here are some answers to questions which are often asked about Kraftwerk. Please read the answers before mailing to the email list, in order to avoid repeating questions unnecessarily. However, don't be afraid to discuss old topics if you have something new to add. The answers are kept brief, but if you want to read past discussions for further information, these are indicated by the volume number followed by the issue number, so that, for example, "2.008" means digest volume 2, number 8. If you are a new member of the Kraftwerk email list, you may also find it worth your while to read back-issues of the digests, particularly those which have been posted after the date of this version of the FAQ list. {} What subjects can be discussed on the list? List maintainer Dave Datta originally suggested that the list be "a forum for discussions about Kraftwerk and other German Electronic artists." However, the general consensus was that discussion should be limited to matters relating to Kraftwerk. Of course, that still leaves many things we can discuss, and there is in addition much discussion about groups with members in common with Kraftwerk, notably Elektric Music. Every bit as important as what you discuss is how you discuss it. Flame wars have been thankfully rare in the list, but those which have occurred have not been helpful to anyone. {} What recordings have Kraftwerk made? See the Kraftwerk discography for an extensive list of Kraftwerk releases. The discography was started by Dave Datta but is now maintained by Lazlo Nibble . It is available by anonymous FTP from the site xmission.com, in the directory /pub/users/lazlo or from the site ftp.uwp.edu, in the directory /pub/artists/kraftwerk (if you need help with anonymous FTP, consult your local documentation or support staff). There are gaps in the discography; if you have additional information, please email them to Lazlo. {} What are the best Kraftwerk albums? A poll conducted by Lars Nellemann in digest 1.204 indicated that as at November 1993 the favourite album among list members was 'The Man-Machine', followed by 'Computer World'. This result was in accordance with a poll conducted by Jose Garcia eight months earlier (digest 1.037). Opinions about Kraftwerk's best work differ, of course: a minority of list members prefer the sound of Kraftwerk as heard on their first few albums, and opinions as to the worth of Kraftwerk's most recent two albums, 'Electric Cafe' and 'The Mix', vary greatly. Note also that the sound quality of Kraftwerk releases are of variable quality across the record companies on which they have appeared. The rerelease of Kraftwerk recordings on the Cleopatra label gave rise to discussion in digests 2.008, 2.009, 2.012, 2.014 and 2.018. Past digests have contained reviews, recommendations, comments on sound quality and other information about the following official Kraftwerk releases:- 'Autobahn' album 1.132, 1.329 'Computer World' 1.305. 1.306, 1.307 'Electric Cafe' 1.149 'Kraftwerk 1' 2.016 'Kraftwerk 2' 2.016 'Radio-Activity' 1.006 'Radio-Activity' 1.079 'The Best of Kraftwerk' 1.284 'The Man Machine' album 1.134, 2.009, 2.018 'The Model' 1.358, 1.359, 2.009 'The Model - Retrospective 1975 - 1978' album 1.063, 1.251 {} How can I get copies of Kraftwerk's early albums? The first three albums by Kraftwerk, 'Kraftwerk 1', 'Kraftwerk 2' and 'Ralf & Florian' are out of print, as is 'Tone Float', the album which Huetter and Schneider recorded as part of the group 'Organisation' (digest 1.06 and 1.100). Huetter and Schneider have allegedly talked about seeing these albums released (digest 1.007), but have certainly not rushed to do so. Possibly this is because the image and sound of these albums is very different from the Kraftwerk material which followed. You may be lucky enough to find copies from usual second-hand sources, such as second-hand record shops, record fairs and record collecting magazines. Bootleg CD's of 'Kraftwerk 1', 'Kraftwerk 2' and 'Tone Float' appeared during 1994. See digests 1.354, 1.360, 1.365, 1.366, 2.023 and 2.025 for discussions about these releases. These issues are of course illegal and no proceeds will reach anybody involved in the making of the original recordings; see digests 1.143, 1.328, 1.329 for discussions on the morality of bootlegging. {} Is 'Tour de France' available on CD? The single track 'Tour de France' was scheduled to appear on the Kraftwerk album 'Technopop'. However, this album was cancelled. Some material from 'Technopop' was reworked and appeared on the album 'Electric Cafe', but 'Tour de France' was not among them. The track was later used in the film 'Breakdance', but the CD soundtrack of the film contains a cover version of the track, Kraftwerk having decided to release a remix of their song as a single (digest 1.084). However, besides appearing in various forms on bootleg remix CD's, the track is now available on the compilation CD 'DJ's Best', catalogue number 261281-222, distributed by BMG in Germany (digest 1.245). {} Are the Francois Kervorkian and William Orbit remixes of 'Radioactivity' available on CD? Kervorkian and Orbit remixes were issued on CD single releases in the UK and Germany, but there was no CD single release for the USA. Furthermore, some Wiliam Orbit mixes are available only on vinyl. Radioactivity is available in the USA as a 12" single; this release contains the 'William Orbit Hardcore Remix' which is unavailable elsewhere. Another unique mix is the 'William Orbit 7" Remix', which is available only on the German 7" release. See the Kraftwerk discography for more information on releases of this song. {} Has Kraftwerk broken up? No. Members Karl Bartos and Wolfgang Fluer left the group, which continues primarily as a duo of original members Ralf Huetter and Florian Schneider plus additional musicians they see fit to employ. There are occasional indicators that Kraftwerk is to continue as a group, such as news of planned live appearances and a new album. {} When will Kraftwerk release new material? I heard there was a new album coming out. There are persistent reports of a new Kraftwerk album. See for example digests 1.211, 1.212, 1.280, 1.365 and 1.366. The attitude of seasoned Kraftwerk fans to such reports is "Interesting, but I'll believe it when I see it!" {} Why did Fluer and Bartos leave Kraftwerk? What are they doing now? It appears that Wolfgang Fluer and Karl Bartos were frustrated by the slow pace of work within Kraftwerk and their enforced decline of participation within the group's activities (see Claude Bussy's book 'Kraftwerk: Man, Machine and Music' and digest 1.156). Karl Bartos now works with Lothar Manteuffel as Elektric Music. Wolfgang Fluer's activities have not been so well documented; there was even a widespread rumour that he had died (digest 1.079). In reality, he had returned to working as a graphic designer. He is now also working with a new musical project called "Jamo" (digest 1.311). {} Who are 'Elektric Music'? Elektric Music are Karl Bartos (formerly of Kraftwerk) and Lothar Manteuffel. The sound of the group is very much in the mould of Kraftwerk, but how well Elektric Music compares to Kraftwerk is a matter of personal opinion. Given the continued low profile of Kraftwerk and the enthusiasm of Karl Bartos to work with other artists, discussion of Elektric Music has become increasingly prominent in the list. Discussion has taken place about the following Elektric Music's releases:- 'Crosstalk' CDS digests 1.001, 1.013, 1.016, 1.028 'Esperanto' CD digests 1.089, 1.079, 1.164, 1.171 'Lifestyle' CDEP digest 1.204 'TV' single digests 1.025, 1.041 {} Where can I find out more about Kraftwerk and Elektric Music? A discography, past issues of the email list digest, pictures and other material relating to Kraftwerk are available by anonymous FTP from the site ftp.uwp.edu, in the directory /pub/artists/kraftwerk (if you need help with anonymous FTP, consult your local documentation or support staff) Anders Wilhelm has constructed some extensive pages for the World Wide Web at http://www.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk.html. These can be accessed using Mosaic or, for terminals without graphic capability, lynx. If you do not understand what WWW, Mosaic and lynx are about, consult your local documentation or support staff. A Kraftwerk and Elektric Music convention takes place annually in the UK (digests 1.003 and 1.028) and there is also a Kraftwerk fanzine, 'Aktivitaet', which is highly regarded by Kraftwerk fans (digests 1.010, 1.028, 1.140, 2.024). For a book on Kraftwerk, read Pascal Bussy's 'Kraftwerk: Man, Machine and Music' (digests 1.110 and 1.118). This book contains many suppositions and also some inaccuracies but is nevertheless to be recommended as essential reading for the Kraftwerk enthusiast. {} What are the ordering details for the Kraftwerk book? Pascal Bussy's 'Kraftwerk: Man, Machine and Music' should be obtainable through any good bookshop. Failing this, it can be ordered direct from the publishers:- SAF Publishing Ltd. 12 Conway Gardens Wembley Middlesex HA9 8TR England The ISBN number of the book is 0 946719 09 8. {} What is 'Aktivitaet'? Where can I obtain copies? 'Aktivitaet' is a consistently well-produced magazine about Kraftwerk and Elektric Music, edited by Ian Calder. It is available from the editor at the following address:- Ian Calder 108 Cummings Park Crescent Northfield Aberdeen AB2 7AR Scotland Remember to enclose a stamped addressed envelope (SAE) if writing to enquire from within the UK, and an International Reply Coupon (IRC) from elsewhere. Aktivitaet is available within the USA and Spain from the following national distributors (remember to enclose an SAE when enquiring):- F. Becker Jose Garcia Corral Mach 25 Music Apartado 108 PO Box 26331 08202 Sabadell IN 46226 Barcelona USA SPAIN {} I heard a version of a Kraftwerk song played on classical instruments; who was it by? The Balanescu Quartet recorded five Kraftwerk songs ('The Robots', 'The Model', 'Autobahn' 'Computer Love' and 'Pocket Calculator'), arranged for string quartet, as part of their album 'Possessed'. The album is on the Mute label and can be obtained via any good record shop, in the UK and USA at least. The catalogue number of the CD is Mute 61421-2 for the US release and CD STUMM 111 for the UK release. See digests 1.058, 1.063 and 2.023 for discussions. {} What other cover versions are there of Kraftwerk songs? Besides The Balanescu Quartet, there have been many acts who have recorded cover versions of Kraftwerk songs. 'The Model' has been a particularly popular song to cover (see for example digest 1.12). Recently there has been much discussion of the album 'Trans Slovenia Express', a collection of Kraftwerk cover versions by Slovenian bands. This album, which was originally scheduled for release under the title 'Kraftwerk Through the Looking Glass' is available on the Mute label. See digests 1.192, 1.211, 2.015 and 2.024 for discussions. A discography of Kraftwerk cover versions is in preparation; more news on this will appear in the digests. {} What equipment is used by Kraftwerk? Information about Kraftwerk's equipment appears in digests 1.10, 1.12 and 2.005 (various), 1.013 (UK tour, early stuff) and 1.156 (Computer World tour). More information is always welcomed on the list. {} How good are Kraftwerk bootlegs? There are many, many Kraftwerk bootlegs available; the Kraftwerk discography aims to list these as well as official Kraftwerk releases. The contents of bootleg recordings of Kraftwerk material range from concert recordings to unsanctioned dance remixes. The sound quality varies enormously. Past digests have contained reviews, recommendations, track listings or other information about the following bootleg releases:- Computers in Love 1.034, 1.037 Heute Abend 1.012, 1.013, 1.094, 1.161, 2.027 Hyper Cerebral Machine 1.162 Koeln 12.6.1971 1.041 Koeln 71 1.067 Kraftwerk 1 (bootleg rerelease) 1.354, 1.360, 1.365, 1.366, 2.023 Kraftwerk 2 (bootleg rerelease) 1.354, 1.360, 1.365, 1.366, 2.023 Live Koeln 71 1.034, 1.070 Live at PhilpsHalle 1.272 Live in Belgium 1.162 Live in Cologne 1975 1.044 Machine 1.068 The Man-Machine Re-Created 2.015 N1 to Zurich 1.021, 1.056, 1.066, 1.132, 1.171 Nippon Numbers - see 'Numbers', of which this is a rerelease. Numbers (aka 'Nippon Numbers', 'Virtu Ex Machina') 1.034, 1.053, 1.056, 1.075, 1.093, 1.119, 1.173, 1.054, 1.056, 1.093, 1.098, 1.171, 1.058 Ralf & Florian (bootleg rerelease) 2.023 Rebuilt in '92 1.014, 1.034, 1.056, 1.066, 1.068, 1.240 The Remix 1.098, 2.023, 2.024, 2.025 Return of The Mensch-Maschine/ 20th Anniversary Tour 1.048 Rimini Rimini 1.034, 1.075 Tone Float (bootleg rerelease) 2.020, 2.023, 2.025 Traffic Jam on Autobahn 1.240 Ultra Rare Tracks 1.218 Virtu ex Machina - see 'Numbers', of which this is a rerelease. {} What are the politics of Kraftwerk members? Kraftwerk are not known to have adopted any party political stance. It has been suggested occasionally that their concentration on machines reflects Nazi or otherwise fascist views. There is no evidence to support such speculation. Regrettably discussion of this subject on the digest was badly handled by some participants and degenerated quickly into a flame war (digest 1.149 onwards. An earlier, flippant discussion took place in digest 1.003). It has been suggested that confusion may have occurred with the band Stoerkraft (digests 1.204, 1.205). Many of Kraftwerk's songs show an interest in the ramifications of technology, but issues are normally dealt with in an ambivalent fashion. The one notable exception to this has been the new version of 'Radio-Activity' and Kraftwerk's subsequent appearance at a benefit opposing the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing plant (digest 1.081). {} Was Kraftwerk's Florian Schneider involved with the musical projects 'Alice in Wonderland' or 'Solaria'? No, that was another Florian (digest 1.125). {} Were Ralf and Florian behind the group 'Die Dominas'? No, but they did inspire the 10" mini-LP 'Ich bin a Domina', for which they wrote two chords and designed the sleeve! Here's part of a magazine interview with Ash Ra Temple's Manuel Gottsching. You can read more about this release in digest 1.130, and descriptions of the music can be found in digests 1.003 and 1.083. 'Die Dominas' were two old friends of mine. They are my long time friend Rosi, who also performed on some Ash Ra Tempel records (...) and Claudia Skoda for whose fashion shows I have been composing and performing most of the music since 1976. They knew KW from Duesseldorf because they often went there together for fashion fairs. Ralf H. and Karl B. wrote down two special chords for them on a piece of paper: the "sub Domina" and the "Domina seven" (Domina = dominant) chords. Later in Berlin they were asking me to show them how these chords sounded. So, one evening when we were doing a nice long session together in my studio, I played them these chords. I explained a little about the instruments in the studio, and they started experimenting with them, without knowing that I was already recording the session! It was really a hilarious session, and the voices sounded like we were having a party. The next day, I started re-mixing the material, and finally got three titles out of it! Claudia and Rosi were so impressed with the result they played it to Ralf and Karl. They were so taken by the recording they offered to make the cover for the album. It turned out to be a very nice cover that looked like a silhouette in black and yellow." {} What Kraftwerk videos have been made? Descriptions of Kraftwerk's promotional videos can be found in digests 1.016, 1.018, 1.076 and 1.139. Despite strong interest from fans, these have never been officially released. The only officially available video appearance of Kraftwerk is on 'Stop Sellafield - The Concert'. This includes footage of Kraftwerk performing 'Radio-Activity' and 'The Robots' live, but both extracts are incomplete and interrupted by propaganda. (Digests 1.079 and 1.323) {} Concert reviews. Reviews have been written for the following concerts:- Balanescu Quartet, 19th April 1993, Paradiso, Amsterdam, The Netherlands (1.69) Elektric Music - 5th May 1994, Stockholm, Sweden (1.319) Elektric Music - May 1994, Copenhagen, Denmark (1.320, 1.322) Kraftwerk - 17th July 1991, The Edinburgh Playhouse, Edinburgh Scotland (1.025) Kraftwerk - 8th Nov. 1991, sala Zeleste, Barcelona, Spain (1.024) Kraftwerk - 26th May, 1993 Groningen, The Netherlands (1.087, 1.094) {} What other groups are of interest to Kraftwerk fans, or have had links with Kraftwerk? There is no one group which finds favour with all Kraftwerk fans (not even Elektric Music!). A discussion of groups that arguably sound like Kraftwerk appeared in digests 1.381, 1.383 and 1.384. But the only thing that can be generally agreed upon is that Kraftwerk has been a massive influence upon contemporary music. Here's a list of some of the artists which have been discussed in the digests. Some have historical or anecdotal links with Kraftwerk, but most have no relation. Air Liquide 1.084 Aphex Twin 1.384 Autechre 2.018, 2.020, 2.021, 2.023 Aviador Dro 1.386 David Bowie 1.057, 2.018 Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft 1.383, 1.384 Die Dominas 1.003, 1.083, 1.130 La Dusseldorf 1.005 Electronic (planned work with Karl Bartos) 1.156, 1.207 Manuel Gottsching 1.130 Information Society 1.140, 1.142, 1.205, 1.207 Michael Jackson 1.156 Joy Division 1.269 LFO 1.055, 1.207 New Order 1.269 Klaus Nomi 2.018 Laibach 1.192, 2.024 Mobile Homes (work with Karl Bartos) 1.244 Neu! 1.003, 1.005, 1.067, 1.070, 1.143 The Nits 1.327 Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark 1.193 Recoil 1.147 Rheingold 1.016 Wolfgang Riechmann 1.171 Michael Rother 1.139, 1.143, 1.171 Sinus (Karl Bartos + Bodo Staiger) 1.016 Spacelab 1.384 Spirit of Sound 1.149, 1.171 Tangerine Dream 1.384 Technocrats 1.237 Trauma 1.235 UB40 1.079 Yellow Magic Orchestra 1.383, 1.384 {} Miscellaneous subjects. The following subjects have arisen in past digests, with varying degrees of relevance. Fernando Abrantes 1.016 Ages of Kraftwerk members 1.164, 1.169, 1.170, 1.84 Karl Bartos 1.066 - role in KW 1.156, 1.161 - appearance at drum workshop 1.351 Cars driven by Kraftwerk members 1.354, 1.355 Cancelled 1991 US tour 1.374, 1.375 'Dentaku' (song) 1.144 'Die Roboter' (single) 2.020 Experience (cancelled appearance, England) 1.294, 1.311 First meeting of Huetter and Schneider 1.070 Fritz Hilpert 1.016 Ralf Huetter (interview) 2.005 'Information' (song, version planned by Elektric Music with LFO) 1.055, 1.207 Kling-Klang studio 2.005 El Lissitzky 1.095 Machines, Kraftwerk's attitudes towards 2.005 Membership statistics 1.028, 1.037, 1.111 Merchandise 1.025 MOD files 2.006, 2.017 Muzak 2.005 'Radioaktivitaet' (single) 2.020, 2.023 'Radioactivity' (single) 2.023 Remixes by Elektric Music 1.045, 1.057 Removing stickers 1.065 Rights to Kraftwerk recordings 1.007, 1.066, 2.014 Florian Schneider 1.079 Emil Schult 1.156 Sex, Kraftwerk' attitude towards 1.083 Solidarity (Polish union) 2.005 'Technopop' (cancelled Kraftwerk album) 1.125, 2.024 'The Telephone Call' (12") 'Truckstop Gondelero' (Kraftwerk track) 1.139, 1.143, 1.147 Vocoders 1.020 -oO Fin Oo- ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #29 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #30 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 5 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 030 Fred Becker's KW Wishlist ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 1994 14:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fred Becker's KW Wishlist Really-From: Luther Welsh Jr Geschwister: I have (finally) scanned and OCR'ed Fred Becker's KW wishlist. Lemme know if you find any (more) errors. I am posting it here because: o he is e-mail incognito o he has done favors for many of us o he is a brother KWian o his list is interesting But I _did_ deep-six my sig, Jose ;-) Luke Welsh luke@svpal.org Mersenne@aol.com Silicon Valley, Calif - --------------------------cut here---------------------------------- FRED BECKER MACH 25 MUSIC P.O. BOX 26331 INDIANAPOLIS,IN 46226 (317) 545-3114 KRAFTWERK WANT LIST 5/93 "#" = Have "+" = Needed - ------------------------ CONCERT CD's * - -------------- Live in Cologne 1975 SGRS 010 Germany + Enregistree Live a L'Oympia, Paris 1981 -- France + Computertour Live Holland and UK 1981 DIYE 56 Holland + Computers In Love Live Brussel 1981 SS 001/002 Belgium # Hyper Cerebral Machine, Italy 1981 Vox Populi 5536 Italy # Heute Abend Live in UK 1991 Deep Records 021 UK # N1 zu Zurich, Zurich, Switzerland 1991 CHAM 1-9300 Switzer. # Rebuilt in 1992, Dusseldorf 1991 Cap 1005/1&2 Germany # Non Stop, Helsinki, Finland 1991 MX7003 Finland + European Tour (91-92) Radio. R. 9201-2 - + STUDIO CD's - ----------- Autobahn EMI 746153-2 Germany + Radioaktivit"at EMI 746132-2 Germany # Trans Europa Express EMI 746133-2 Germany # Die Mensch Maschine EMI 746131-2 Germany + Computerwelt EMI 746130-2 Germany + Electric Cafe (German) EMI 746420-2 Germany + Electric Cafe (English) EMI 746416-2 Germany + The Mix (German)(Black or Silver disc) EMI 746650-2 Germany + The Mix (English) EMl 796671-2 Germany + CD SINGLES - ---------- Trans Europe Express Capitol C2 15620 USA + Die Roboter/Robotnik/Robotronik Kling Kl. 043252 Holland + Robotronik/Robotnik/The Robots EMI CDEM 192 UK + The Robots/Robotnik/Robotronik Elektra 9665262 USA # Radioaktivitat Kling Kl. 045162 Holland # Radioaktivity EMI CDEM 201 Holland + Showroom Dummies CLEO68432 USA/Can # CONCERT LP's - ------------ Kraftwerk Live 12-06-71 (250 Ltd, PD) Ruckzuck 6305051 Germany + Central Passage, Florence 5-19-81 (2LP) Dream KW 198 Italy + R TBON POBOTHNK, Florence 5-19-81 (2LP) -- Italy + Live in Munich 1981 (Orange Vinyl 2LP) Alive LR 12 Germany + Machine, Utrecht, Holland 1981 -- Holland + Neue Kraft, Copenhagen 10-24-91 (2LP) KKMS 24/1091 1/2 Denmark + Return of the Menschmachine, 7/90 (2LP) CHAM 1-9300 Switzerl + * More: The Remix -- -- # Radioactivity Over Europe -- -- + Dusseldorf Phillipshalle (=Rebuilt) Cap 1005/1&2 Germany + Rimini Rimini LM 04.2 -- + Virtu Ex Machina, Tokyo Sep. 1991 KLON 1992001 -- # - --------------------------cut here---------------------------------- end of first page and start of second page - --------------------------cut here---------------------------------- KRAFTWERK WANT LIST (Continued) - ------------------------------- STUDIO LP's * - ------------- Tone Float (by Organisation) RCA SF 8111 UK + Tone Float (reissue?) -- -- + Kraftwerk (Gatefold) Philips 6305 058 Germany # Kraftwerk 2 (Gatefold) Philips 6305 117 Germany # Kraftwerk (2LP) Vertigo 6641 077 UK # Ralf und Florian (& ltd comic) Philips 6305 197 Germany + Ralf & Florian Vertigo 6360 616 UK + Ralf & Florian Vertigo VEL 2006 USA # Ralf & Florian (Pop Legends Version) Phillps 6435 117 Holland + Ralf & Florian Philips 9118 004 France + Kraftwerk 1 Philips 9118 002 France + Kraftwerk 2 Philips 9118 003 France + Autobahn Philips 6305 231 Germany + Autobahn (with different cover) Philips 6305 231 Germany + Autobahn (Pop Legends Version) Philips 9294 806 Germany + Kraftwerk (reissue, single sleeve) Philips 6305 058 Germany + Kraftwerk 2 (reissue, single sleeve) Philips 6305 117 Germany + Doppelalbum (compilation) Philips 6623 057 Germany # Doppelalbum Philips 9299 654 Germany + Doppelalbum (with different label) Philips 9299 654 Germany + Radioaktivitat (w stickers if poss.) Kling K 06282087 Germany + Radioaktivity Capitol 06282087 Germany + Exceller 8 (compilation) Vertigo 6360 629 UK + Exceller 8 Mercury 6449 004 Canada # Trans Europa Express (w poster) Kling K 06482306 Germany # Trans Europe Express Capitol EST11603 UK + Die Mensch Maschine (red vinyl if poss) Kling K 05832843 Germany + The Man Machine Capitol EST11728 UK + Computerwelt Kling K 06446311 Germany + Computerworld Kling K 06264370 Germany + Computerworld EMI EMC 3370 UK + Electric Cafe (German) Kling K 2406 541 Germany + Electric Cafe (English) Kling K 2406 441 Germany + The Mix (Germany 2LP) Kling Kla. 96650 Germany + The Mix (English 2LP) EMI -- UK + 12" MAXI-SINGLES & 7" SINGLES - ----------------------------- All * MORE: Autobahn (compilation) Philips 6623 136 France + Kraftwerk 1 & Ralf und Florian (comp) Fontana 9286 875 Italy + Kraftwerk 2 & Autobahn Fontana 9286 876 Italy + Kometenmelodie (compilation) Philips 9294 803 France + Poplions (compilation) Fontana 6434 348 Germany + Highrail (compilation) Fontana 9294 124 Germany + Elektro Kinetik (compilation) Vertigo 6449 066 UK + ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #30 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #31 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 6 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 031 Mute E-mail Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Re: kraftwerk & bowie Re: kraftwerk & bowie This and that Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Unknown domain Unknown domain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:24 +0400 Subject: Mute E-mail Really-From: yook@glas.apc.org (Sergey Ukladov) sv3terca@ida.his.se (Terje Carlsson) wrote: > Query: What is the E-adress to Mute? It is mute@mute.com as was announced some time ago by someone from Mute on alt.music.alternative. I wrote to that address but never got reply. Who knows... Sergey. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 11:16:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: kevinb@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Kevin G Busby) > The address of the distributor for 'Aktivitaet' within Germany is > missing in this version. Additional addresses for Aktivitaet: @USA: @ F. Becker, Mach 25 music, PO Box 26331, IN 46226 @GERMANY: @ G. Poecker, Maerkerwaldstr. 3, 64625 BENSHEIM @ E-mail: 0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de Perhaps Luke can confirm whether Fred Becker is still doing distribution of the fanzine or not. A suggestion to name the FAQ list: Ruckzuck, if it means what I've read it means: starting point Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 16:43:03 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: Re: kraftwerk & bowie Really-From: Niels Olof Bouvin Hi! I've done some research on this thing: The following is from No miracle Jive, Tin Machine 1989-1992 by Peter Frederiksen from the Bowie Network. I'm not a member, but one of my friends are. Oslo, Koncerthuset 22nd October 1991 [snip] "I can't read shit" says Bowie in Reeves' outtro to I Can't Read and continues "thank you for coming tonight. Funny things happened on our way here tonight. More about that later". Of course, he was referring to Tin Machine's meeting with German band Kraftwerk on their way to Oslo. [snip] People who attended the show has reported that the band played Kraftwerk's Radio Activity to Florian and Ralph from Kraftwerk who were present in the audience. However, the audio tape in circulation can't prove it, I'm afraid. SOUND 40 minutes audio tape including the songs from Bus Stop to Stateside. Sound quality 9 100 minute audio tape covering the complete show seems now to have come into circulation My friends have begun the search for this tape. I'll let you know if we find it. Regards! Niels Olof - -- Niels Olof Bouvin GCS d---(++) h+ s++; g+++ !au a- w+ v+ c++++@ HS+ P+>+++ bouvin@daimi.aau.dk L>++ 3- N+++ K W--- M V-- p1 po+ Y+ t- tolkien++++ !5 v(+) Phone +45 86246937 r+(--) G' b+++ D+ B--- e+++ u++(*) h-- f+ R- !n x**(+) !j Home page: http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~bouvin Life's a beach and then you dive ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 18:52:56 +0000 Subject: Re: kraftwerk & bowie Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Thanks Niels for your research! > 100 minute audio tape covering the complete show seems now to > have come into circulation > > My friends have begun the search for this tape. I'll let you know if > we find it. The guy who told me about this is a big bowie fan and also got into kraftwerk not lont time ago. He was sure about this rendezvous but was unable to locate the tape. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: This and that Really-From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU I've been back at school for a week and have been amazed at all the activity here! Unfortunately, it seems I've come in in the middle of a number of discussions; I've missed quite a bit over the summer too, I'd wager. So, in order to fill in the gaps quickly without having to rummage through all the old digests, I'd appreciate some answers here. My apologies in advance if these are repeats of recent or old topics. If you don't want to fill up digest space, please e-mail me directly. 1) I ftp'ed the "Bass Cadet" file from hyperreal.com. Unfortunately, the .wav file got corrupted in the transmission, but it worked fine after I converted it to a .voc file. Anyway, it captured my interest, but I'd like to know more before I consider hunting the Autechre album down. Can someone give a track listing and tell me if it's available in the U.S. yet? 2) Has Elektric Music released any new albums or singles in the past four months? Any plans for future works known? (No, I haven't gotten through all of the Kraftwerk FAQ yet, so if that's in there, I apologize.) 3) In looking at a Keyboard magazine in a bookstore at the beginning of the summer, I found a listing of CDs, including one by a group called Trauma. They had done a cover on "Radioaktivitaet" on the album; unfortunately I've forgotten the album's name, record company, etc. If anyone's got info on this, please tell! I think that's it for now. Greetings to you all, and it's good to be back. (*----------+--------+--------------------------------*) (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) (*----------+--------+------+----------------+--------*) (* Computational Math major | Albion College | Senior *) (*--------------------------+----------------+--------*) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 21:16:30 EDT Subject: Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Really-From: rhronik@pen.k12.va.us (Richard H. Hronik Jr.) According to kraftwerk mailing list: > > A suggestion to name the FAQ list: > > Ruckzuck, if it means what I've read it means: starting point > I always thought "Ruckzuck" was a misprint of "Ruckzack" (= backpack). My copy of "Kraftwerk" (the double LP) has "Ruckzuck" on the label of disc one, and "Ruckzack" in the listing inside the cover. Does anyone know which it really is?? - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ? ? ? ? Rich Hronik ? If it was fun ? ? rhronik@pen.k12.va.us ? they wouldn't call it ? ? ? WORK! ? ? Making TV magic in ? ? ? Annandale, VA ? ? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 18:26:24 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:24 +0400 From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Mute E-mail Really-From: yook@glas.apc.org (Sergey Ukladov) sv3terca@ida.his.se (Terje Carlsson) wrote: > Query: What is the E-adress to Mute? It is mute@mute.com as was announced some time ago by someone from Mute on alt.music.alternative. I wrote to that address but never got reply. Who knows... Sergey. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 18:16:24 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 11:16:24 +0000 From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: kevinb@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Kevin G Busby) > The address of the distributor for 'Aktivitaet' within Germany is > missing in this version. Additional addresses for Aktivitaet: @USA: @ F. Becker, Mach 25 music, PO Box 26331, IN 46226 @GERMANY: @ G. Poecker, Maerkerwaldstr. 3, 64625 BENSHEIM @ E-mail: 0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de Perhaps Luke can confirm whether Fred Becker is still doing distribution of the fanzine or not. A suggestion to name the FAQ list: Ruckzuck, if it means what I've read it means: starting point Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #31 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #32 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 7 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 032 Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Re: This and that Unknown domain Unknown domain Unknown domain Radioaktivity Unknown domain Unknown domain Unknown domain Unknown domain Unknown domain Unknown domain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 09:31:28 +0000 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: rhronik@pen.k12.va.us (Richard H. Hronik Jr.) > I always thought "Ruckzuck" was a misprint of "Ruckzack" It's the other way round. Ruckzack is a missprint of Ruckzuck. Besides, Ruckzuck is about trains. A premonition to TEE... > (= backpack). My copy of "Kraftwerk" (the double LP) has > "Ruckzuck" on the label of disc one, and "Ruckzack" in the > listing inside the cover. The Brits got it wrong! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 12:36:16 +0100 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > {} Are the Francois Kervorkian and William Orbit remixes of 'Radioactivity' > available on CD? > Another unique mix is the 'William Orbit 7" Remix', which is > available only on the German 7" release. Yep, not exactly. It is unique in the sense that it is the only william orbit remix with lyrics in German (radioaktivitaet). Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 6 Sep 94 12:18:00 GMT Subject: Re: This and that Really-From: rmb@cblph.att.com From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU > >3) In looking at a Keyboard magazine in a bookstore at the beginning of the >summer, I found a listing of CDs, including one by a group called Trauma. >They had done a cover on "Radioaktivitaet" on the album; unfortunately I've >forgotten the album's name, record company, etc. If anyone's got info on >this, please tell! I just happen to have the CD here at work with me. Here's the info: Trauma - Fractal 1 Futurist 9086-11032-2 Rich... rmb@cblph.att.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 01:52:56 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 18:52:56 +0000 From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: kraftwerk & bowie Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Thanks Niels for your research! > 100 minute audio tape covering the complete show seems now to > have come into circulation > > My friends have begun the search for this tape. I'll let you know if > we find it. The guy who told me about this is a big bowie fan and also got into kraftwerk not lont time ago. He was sure about this rendezvous but was unable to locate the tape. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 23:43:03 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: kraftwerk & bowie Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 16:43:03 +0200 (MET DST) Really-From: Niels Olof Bouvin Hi! I've done some research on this thing: The following is from No miracle Jive, Tin Machine 1989-1992 by Peter Frederiksen from the Bowie Network. I'm not a member, but one of my friends are. Oslo, Koncerthuset 22nd October 1991 [snip] "I can't read shit" says Bowie in Reeves' outtro to I Can't Read and continues "thank you for coming tonight. Funny things happened on our way here tonight. More about that later". Of course, he was referring to Tin Machine's meeting with German band Kraftwerk on their way to Oslo. [snip] People who attended the show has reported that the band played Kraftwerk's Radio Activity to Florian and Ralph from Kraftwerk who were present in the audience. However, the audio tape in circulation can't prove it, I'm afraid. SOUND 40 minutes audio tape including the songs from Bus Stop to Stateside. Sound quality 9 100 minute audio tape covering the complete show seems now to have come into circulation My friends have begun the search for this tape. I'll let you know if we find it. Regards! Niels Olof - -- Niels Olof Bouvin GCS d---(++) h+ s++; g+++ !au a- w+ v+ c++++@ HS+ P+>+++ bouvin@daimi.aau.dk L>++ 3- N+++ K W--- M V-- p1 po+ Y+ t- tolkien++++ !5 v(+) Phone +45 86246937 r+(--) G' b+++ D+ B--- e+++ u++(*) h-- f+ R- !n x**(+) !j Home page: http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~bouvin Life's a beach and then you dive ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 21:22:02 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: This and that Really-From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU I've been back at school for a week and have been amazed at all the activity here! Unfortunately, it seems I've come in in the middle of a number of discussions; I've missed quite a bit over the summer too, I'd wager. So, in order to fill in the gaps quickly without having to rummage through all the old digests, I'd appreciate some answers here. My apologies in advance if these are repeats of recent or old topics. If you don't want to fill up digest space, please e-mail me directly. 1) I ftp'ed the "Bass Cadet" file from hyperreal.com. Unfortunately, the .wav file got corrupted in the transmission, but it worked fine after I converted it to a .voc file. Anyway, it captured my interest, but I'd like to know more before I consider hunting the Autechre album down. Can someone give a track listing and tell me if it's available in the U.S. yet? 2) Has Elektric Music released any new albums or singles in the past four months? Any plans for future works known? (No, I haven't gotten through all of the Kraftwerk FAQ yet, so if that's in there, I apologize.) 3) In looking at a Keyboard magazine in a bookstore at the beginning of the summer, I found a listing of CDs, including one by a group called Trauma. They had done a cover on "Radioaktivitaet" on the album; unfortunately I've forgotten the album's name, record company, etc. If anyone's got info on this, please tell! I think that's it for now. Greetings to you all, and it's good to be back. (*----------+--------+--------------------------------*) (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) (*----------+--------+------+----------------+--------*) (* Computational Math major | Albion College | Senior *) (*--------------------------+----------------+--------*) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 14:05:01 +0100 Subject: Radioaktivity Really-From: Michael@textlitho.nl >Really-From: sv3terca@ida.his.se (Terje Carlsson) >Yesterday, I heard a new (?) fucking dance-remix of Kraftwerk. >April Nine "Radioactivity", was the name of the song, I think. >This one was actually one of the best Kraftwerk-remixes and I'm >just wondering if anyone knows what country the group came from. I saw it too on MTV. And indeed it was a very nice cover. It is one of the songs on the album 'Trans Slovanian Express'. I just read in the faq all the bands are from Slovania (That explains the title :-) Anyway I'm certainly gona bye this album! i.e. if I can find it... - - Michael - __________________________________ ________________________________________ Michael van Rosmalen // "We are programmed just to do, The Netherlands, Utrecht \X/ anything you want us to" (Kraftwerk) * AmyBW v2.11a Beta+ * - --- Blue Wave/RA ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 19:36:16 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 12:36:16 +0100 From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > {} Are the Francois Kervorkian and William Orbit remixes of 'Radioactivity' > available on CD? > Another unique mix is the 'William Orbit 7" Remix', which is > available only on the German 7" release. Yep, not exactly. It is unique in the sense that it is the only william orbit remix with lyrics in German (radioaktivitaet). Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 16:31:28 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 09:31:28 +0000 From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: rhronik@pen.k12.va.us (Richard H. Hronik Jr.) > I always thought "Ruckzuck" was a misprint of "Ruckzack" It's the other way round. Ruckzack is a missprint of Ruckzuck. Besides, Ruckzuck is about trains. A premonition to TEE... > (= backpack). My copy of "Kraftwerk" (the double LP) has > "Ruckzuck" on the label of disc one, and "Ruckzack" in the > listing inside the cover. The Brits got it wrong! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:18:00 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Date: 6 Sep 94 12:18:00 GMT Subject: Re: This and that Really-From: rmb@cblph.att.com From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU > >3) In looking at a Keyboard magazine in a bookstore at the beginning of the >summer, I found a listing of CDs, including one by a group called Trauma. >They had done a cover on "Radioaktivitaet" on the album; unfortunately I've >forgotten the album's name, record company, etc. If anyone's got info on >this, please tell! I just happen to have the CD here at work with me. Here's the info: Trauma - Fractal 1 Futurist 9086-11032-2 Rich... rmb@cblph.att.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 01:26:24 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Unknown domain Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 18:26:24 GMT Organization: Mustang Software, Inc. (805) 873-2500 Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 11:24 +0400 From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Mute E-mail Really-From: yook@glas.apc.org (Sergey Ukladov) sv3terca@ida.his.se (Terje Carlsson) wrote: > Query: What is the E-adress to Mute? It is mute@mute.com as was announced some time ago by someone from Mute on alt.music.alternative. I wrote to that address but never got reply. Who knows... Sergey. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 04:16:30 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 94 21:16:30 EDT Really-From: rhronik@pen.k12.va.us (Richard H. Hronik Jr.) According to kraftwerk mailing list: > > A suggestion to name the FAQ list: > > Ruckzuck, if it means what I've read it means: starting point > I always thought "Ruckzuck" was a misprint of "Ruckzack" (= backpack). My copy of "Kraftwerk" (the double LP) has "Ruckzuck" on the label of disc one, and "Ruckzack" in the listing inside the cover. Does anyone know which it really is?? - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ? ? ? ? Rich Hronik ? If it was fun ? ? rhronik@pen.k12.va.us ? they wouldn't call it ? ? ? WORK! ? ? Making TV magic in ? ? ? Annandale, VA ? ? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 01:16:24 GMT Subject: Unknown domain Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Unknown domain Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 18:16:24 GMT Organization: Mustang Software, Inc. (805) 873-2500 Really-From: wildcat^.mail.room@mustang.com (Wildcat! Mail Room) The following message was addressed to a domain that is unknown to this site. Please check the addressing of this message for further information. ----- Original Message follows ----- Date: Mon, 05 Sep 1994 11:16:24 +0000 From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: kevinb@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Kevin G Busby) > The address of the distributor for 'Aktivitaet' within Germany is > missing in this version. Additional addresses for Aktivitaet: @USA: @ F. Becker, Mach 25 music, PO Box 26331, IN 46226 @GERMANY: @ G. Poecker, Maerkerwaldstr. 3, 64625 BENSHEIM @ E-mail: 0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de Perhaps Luke can confirm whether Fred Becker is still doing distribution of the fanzine or not. A suggestion to name the FAQ list: Ruckzuck, if it means what I've read it means: starting point Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #32 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #33 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 8 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 033 Elektra *not* dropping Kraftwerk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:29:16 BST Subject: Elektra *not* dropping Kraftwerk Really-From: Al Crawford Having heard once more from Peter Wright at Mute, he wants to correct what he said previously. It now seems that Elektra are *considering* dropping Kraftwerk, but haven't actually done so as yet. Al - -- Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165 Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209 ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #33 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #34 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 9 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 034 Trans-Slovenia Express Re: Trans-Slovenia Express Who owns what? Re: Trans-Slovenia Express ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 08 Sep 1994 13:45:08 -0500 Subject: Trans-Slovenia Express Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." For those waiting for the U.S. release I heard September 17. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:13:07 BST Subject: Re: Trans-Slovenia Express Really-From: Al Crawford > For those waiting for the U.S. release I heard September 17. Mute's e-mail newsletter which I received yesterday said September 14th. *Both* dates seem odd, since US release dates are usually Tuesdays. The 14th is a Wednesday, the 17th is a Saturday. Al - -- Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165 Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 1994 15:39:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Who owns what? Really-From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU While I listened to "Esperanto" recently, a question came to mind: who owns the various sounds that Kraftwerk has produced in their time? The group as a whole? The individual band member(s) responsible for producing it? The record company? I ask this because I am still marking similarities between the sound of Elektric Music and the sound of Kraftwerk. Has EM been sampling from its progenitors or is Karl Bartos using his own creations? Could Kraftwerk, if they chose, make a suit over EM's use (if they did) of their work? (*----------+--------+--------------------------------*) (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) (*----------+--------+------+----------------+--------*) (* Computational Math major | Albion College | Senior *) (*--------------------------+----------------+--------*) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 16:01:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Trans-Slovenia Express Really-From: Geoff Weasel > > Really-From: Al Crawford > > > For those waiting for the U.S. release I heard September 17. > > Mute's e-mail newsletter which I received yesterday said September 14th. > *Both* dates seem odd, since US release dates are usually Tuesdays. The > 14th is a Wednesday, the 17th is a Saturday. > Not really, since Touch&Go Records (Big Black's label) usually releases shit on Mondays.... I think it could just be Tuesdays are when distributors get the stuff into the stores... - --- Geoff We@sel ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #34 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #35 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 10 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 035 U.S. Release Dates Re: Who owns what? Subscribe Re: Mute's e-mail newsletter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 03:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: U.S. Release Dates Really-From: "L. \"Futplex\" McCarthy" Al Crawford writes: > Mute's e-mail newsletter which I received yesterday said September 14th. > *Both* dates seem odd, since US release dates are usually Tuesdays. The > 14th is a Wednesday, the 17th is a Saturday. Geoff We@sel writes: > Not really, since Touch&Go Records (Big Black's label) usually releases shit > on Mondays.... This is odd, because I would have sworn Friday and Thursday were the usual release days.... - -Lewis Everybody hurts ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 1994 13:28:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Who owns what? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Could Kraftwerk, if they chose, make a suit over EM's use (if they did) of > their work? > > (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) I doubt it, as Bartos is credited in several KW song's as one of the authors. Did you know that Bartos <-> Ralf & Florian are still in good terms? That is what Bartos says in the interview published in Aktivitaet. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 1994 00:52:00 JST Subject: Subscribe Really-From: Takeyasu Sasagaw ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 94 15:24:54 EDT Subject: Re: Mute's e-mail newsletter Really-From: TKing13@aol.com Al Crawford wrote: > Mute's e-mail newsletter which I received yesterday said September 14th. < So how does one get on the distribution list for their newsletter? Is it just for the US or UK or both? ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #35 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #36 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 13 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 036 Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 1994 01:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Kraftwerk FAQ V.1.00 Really-From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman > {} Is 'Tour de France' available on CD? > > The single track 'Tour de France' was scheduled to appear on the > Kraftwerk album 'Technopop'. However, this album was cancelled. Some > material from 'Technopop' was reworked and appeared on the album 'Electric > Cafe', but 'Tour de France' was not among them. The track was later used > in the film 'Breakdance', but the CD soundtrack of the film contains a > cover version of the track, Kraftwerk having decided to release a remix > of their song as a single (digest 1.084). > > However, besides appearing in various forms on bootleg remix CD's, the > track is now available on the compilation CD 'DJ's Best', catalogue > number 261281-222, distributed by BMG in Germany (digest 1.245). The film title is in fact "Breakin'" and not "Breakdance." Christopher Robin Zimmerman ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #36 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #37 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 14 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 037 Re: Breakin' vs. Breakdance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 03:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Breakin' vs. Breakdance Really-From: Lewis McCarthy Christopher Robin Zimmerman writes: > > {} Is 'Tour de France' available on CD? > > The track was later used in the film 'Breakdance' > The film title is in fact "Breakin'" and not "Breakdance." I have a feeling of deja vu about this. The _U.S._ title was certainly Breakin', but I believe the title Breakdance was used in some other countries, so that audiences unfamiliar with American slang would have at least some clue about the subject of the movie :) There are some more striking examples of retitling to make movie subjects more explicit, but I can't think of any offhand. - -Lewis ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #37 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #38 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 15 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 038 Wanted to buy: Re: Breakin' v. Breakdance For sale.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 02:27:05 PDT Subject: Wanted to buy: Really-From: swatch@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Brian Plume) Hi there. Anyone out there have the following for sale? 1) Organisation "Tone Float" record. Looking for decent quality at a decent price. 2) Cd Single of "Radioactivity" from The Mix (has WIlliam Orbit remix) 3) Cd Single of "The Robots" from The Mix (has Robotnik remix on it) that's it. Thanks in advance. Brian ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 14:22:37 EDT Subject: Re: Breakin' v. Breakdance Really-From: TKing13@aol.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman writes: > > {} Is 'Tour de France' available on CD? > > The track was later used in the film 'Breakdance' > The film title is in fact "Breakin'" and not "Breakdance." The 12" I have (EMI UK 12EMI5413) definitely says "as featured in the film 'Breakdance'." Tim King (TKING13@aol.com) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 14:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: For sale.... Really-From: Sean Berry I am selling a promo copy of The Robots cd-single. It has 2 tracks; The Robots (Single Edit) 3:43 and Robotronic (Kling Klang Mix) 4:51. The price is $15.00 US including postage. Send inquiries to: n9130296@henson.cc.wwu.edu Thanks, Sean ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #38 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #39 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 16 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 039 RE: For sale.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 15 Sep 1994 09:05:39 -0500 Subject: RE: For sale.... Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." I'm interested if you haven't already sold it. Lon Freeman freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #39 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #40 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 17 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 040 Re: single for sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 12:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: single for sale Really-From: Richard Karty > I am selling a promo copy of The Robots cd-single. It has 2 tracks; The > Robots (Single Edit) 3:43 and Robotronic (Kling Klang Mix) 4:51. The price > is $15.00 US including postage. Send inquiries to: n9130296@henson.cc.wwu.edu I can't help but noticing... isn't this wildly overpriced, say 300% or so? Unless there is intrinsic value in it being a promo??? (Do I hear $50 for my Numbers promo!) In any case, don't forget it's lacking a +/- 7:00 version that's on the normal release. Richard ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #40 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #41 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Sunday, 18 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 041 Overpriced CD single ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 94 11:11:47 PDT Subject: Overpriced CD single Really-From: swatch@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Brian Plume) On Sat, 17 Sep 1994 02:02:28 -0500, kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu wrote: > Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #40 > > > kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 17 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 040 > > Re: single for sale > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 12:24:12 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: single for sale > > Really-From: Richard Karty > > > I am selling a promo copy of The Robots cd-single. It has 2 tracks; The > > Robots (Single Edit) 3:43 and Robotronic (Kling Klang Mix) 4:51. The price > > is $15.00 US including postage. Send inquiries to: n9130296@henson.cc.wwu.edu > > I can't help but noticing... isn't this wildly overpriced, say 300% or so? > Unless there is intrinsic value in it being a promo??? (Do I hear $50 for > my Numbers promo!) In any case, don't forget it's lacking a +/- 7:00 > version that's on the normal release. > > Richard > > > ------------------------------ > > End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #40 > ****************************** > Don't worry....I wasn't even considering it. I know of the 7 minute version, since I have it on vinyl. hehehe I just wanted to have a nice, crystal clear version of two of my favourite songs, that's all. Brian ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #41 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #42 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 19 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 042 Clock DVA lyrics Beam myself into the future ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 20:02:58 -500 (EDT) Subject: Clock DVA lyrics Really-From: Gabriel Yedid are there any ftp sites that have the lyrics for the songs on Clock DVA's _Man-Amplified_? Also, just out of curiosity, is there anything new on the horizon from them? Gabe ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 23:33:51 -0400 Subject: Beam myself into the future Really-From: waxy@acs.bu.edu Greetings. I'm new to the list, so I thought I'd introduce myself. After listening to Nitzer Ebb, Front Line Assembly, and Skinny Puppy for years, one day about 3 years ago I picked up a Kraftwerk CD out of curiousity to see for myself why so many people said they were influenced by them. I became a huge fan soon after that first disc. My favorite album by them is Computer World, simply because I find it staggeringly ahead of it's time. I used to spin at this club in suburban Illinois called Off The Alley. I often played this house/techno outfit called Greyhouse because they had this one song that just pulled at my soul. Later, I found out that the entire song was a complete ripoff of Kraftwerk's "It's More Fun To Computer!" What amazed me even more was that the Greyhouse single came out in 1988 or 89! A full 7 or 8 years after Kraftwerk wrote Computer World! I have all of the post-Autobahn albums & Ralf & Florian, but Kraftwerk 1 and 2 I'm having trouble finding on boot CD, much less LP... I'm also a huge D.A.F. fan! That came after buying the "Spirit of Germany" tpae for the Kraftwrk videos. I listen to DAF more then just about anyone right now, and I'm wondering if anyone has any boots or rare stuff by DAF to trade. E-mail me, and I'll let you know what I have... Also, speaking of that "Spirit of Germany" video, can anyone give me some info on Palais Schaumburg? How many albums do they have? Any available on CD? Please forgive me if any questions that I may ask in the future have been answered- I just found out about this list a little while ago... exhale- "Waxy" ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #42 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #43 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 20 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 043 EM live on TV when quoting... Getting authentic Kraftwerk Albums Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #42 Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #42 Getting authentic Kraftwerk Albums ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:12:25 MEZ-1MESZ Subject: EM live on TV Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Hi to all there, Elektric Music seem to be quite busy these days - they had a live appearance in germany. They played three songs on a german TV show ("mittwochs live" on the WDR channel, 14.9.1994): TV, State of the Art and Solar Constitution. Last two are new and are slower melodic songs in the TV 2 mold. Solar Constitution deale with environmental protection issues. Interestingly, Karl Bartos was missing - and he was not named as a band member by the showmaster. On stage were: the new guy on keyboards, Lothar Manteuffel on vocals and Emil Schult on video operation. Altogether, they played 8 minutes spread over three slots in the show. State of the Art seemed to be a bit unfinished. Certainly they have some songs ready for release, it seems. Bye, Gunther ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:37:50 +0100 Subject: when quoting... Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) A sugestion: When quoting from previous messages, please KEEP THE QUOTES TO THE MINIMUM NECESSARY, and please remove all mail headers. Remember there's people that pays for the bytes read. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 21:37:52 -0400 Subject: Getting authentic Kraftwerk Albums Really-From: at994@freenet.buffalo.edu (Edy Braun) I'd like to get as many Kraftwerk albums as I can (or at least listen to them and decide which I really like). I've only got "Electric Cafe" and I think it is great. Where can I get full-length records (or tapes) containing Kraftwerk without ending up with remix after remix (usually found on these new CDs that are coming out) ? Is it possible to find these originally-released albums anywhere (but new)? What exactly is with these BOOTLEGS I keep hearing about? People tell me they are actually bad-quality garage-made CDs (aren't they illegal)... and that they are overpriced and the money rarely ends up going to Kraftwerk in terms of royalties. Any suggestions? I want to hear more Kraftwerk stuff but it isn't played on the radio and there are no stores around with it (as well as there are no tapes in the library). What do I do! I also want to hear Jean-Micheal Jarre but I can't seem to get any closer to finding his music either. HELP! - -- _ _ |_ _| |_),_ _ ._ |_ (_[ (_) |_)| `(_[|_|| | PhANtAsMaGoRiA CyBeRpUnK yO[Ed] _/ Text-ASCII art courtesy XERF ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:05:30 EDT Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #42 Really-From: TKing13@aol.com waxy@acs.bu.edu wrote: > speaking of that "Spirit of Germany" video, can anyone give me some info on Palais Schaumburg? How many albums do they have? Any available on CD? < Their later stuff was kind of bland techno-pop IMHO, but the early stuff was interesting for their day. If you like Palais Schaumburg, you might check out Holger Hiller. He worked with them in their early days. If you can find Oben im Eck (esp. on CD, which includes his previous album; on MUTE UK), I highly recommend it, very inventive, almost completely based on samples, very cool. As Is has its moments, tho isn't as good, but more easily found (Mute US/UK, probably can be found in cutout bins). Something very cool is Ohi Ho Bang Bang (CDV or 12" from Mute), which is Hiller & Karl Bonnie (from Renegade Soundwave). Sample-fest (one features big chunks of Ballroom Blitz!). Tim King (TKing13@aol.com) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 22:05:25 EDT Subject: Re: kraftwerk-digest V2 #42 Really-From: TKing13@aol.com Gabriel Yedid wrote: > are there any ftp sites that have the lyrics for the songs on Clock DVA's _Man-Amplified_? Also, just out of curiosity, is there anything new on the horizon from them? < I don't know about FTP, but you might want to check their lyric book, Black Words on White Paper. I *think* it includes the M-A lyrics too, but I'll have to check my copy. (BTW, it comes with a CDEP of unreleased stuff from 76-79 or so. interesting but really for the hardcore collector) There is a recent compilation from Cleopatra called Collective (supposedly there also exists a 2CD version of this), which is just remixes, most of which are either unreleased or rare. I liked it more than I expected to. Tim King (TKing13@aol.com) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 20:08:30 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Getting authentic Kraftwerk Albums Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > I've only got "Electric Cafe" and I think it is great. Where can I get > full-length records (or tapes) containing Kraftwerk without ending up > with remix after remix (usually found on these new CDs that are coming > out) ? Not to be too snide, but I would try going to a *record store*. If they don't have the stuff in stock, they can special-order it. That goes for the Jarre material as well. > What exactly is with these BOOTLEGS I keep hearing about? People tell me they > are actually bad-quality garage-made CDs (aren't they illegal)... and that > they are overpriced and the money rarely ends up going to Kraftwerk in terms > of royalties. Quality varies. Yes, they're illegal. Yes, the people who make them make huge profits on them. No, Kraftwerk doesn't see a penny from them. (If Kraftwerk care, they ought to release the stuff legitimately -- I'd rather have an official version than a bootleg any day, but if I have to buy a bootleg to get the material, I'll buy a bootleg.) - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #43 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #44 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 21 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 044 Re: Getting authentic Kraftwerk Albums C+C Music Factory Re: Jean-Michel Jarre ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 12:15:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Getting authentic Kraftwerk Albums Really-From: Richard Ingram > Is it possible to find these originally-released albums anywhere (but new)? You should be able to find all CDs from Autobahn onwards, they are or at least in '92 they were still in UK and Euro record shops, they do seem to have gone up in price, I got some on Import from the US (Computer World), also German language version of Computer World (the track times are slightly different). Whoever supplies EMI records in the states should be able to get copies to you. I don't have the CDs here but in a week and a half could get the numbers, hold on I have the discog I could post you so you could get the numbers off that. Hope this helps, bye. Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 08:30:10 EDT Subject: C+C Music Factory Really-From: prisekin@oss.saic.com (prisekin) FYI: C+C Music Factory did a tip-o'-the-hat in Kraftwerk's direction on their latest album "Anything Goes!" on the track "Hip-Hop Express". Sort of their "TEE" with a touch of "Autobahn". They even did that banging-on-Timpani sounding section at the beginning of "Metal on Metal". For C+C fans AND hardcore KW enthusiasts only. Peter ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 14:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jean-Michel Jarre Really-From: Lewis McCarthy Edy Braun writes: > I also want to hear Jean-Micheal Jarre > but I can't seem to get any closer to finding his music either. HELP! I've usually been able to find plenty of Jean-Michel Jarre's material in the New Age sections of ordinary record stores. ~~~ - -Lewis Send me mail using "Subject: remailer-help" for info on the remailer I run ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #44 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #45 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 22 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 045 test - please ignore Jean-Michel Jarre and KRAFTWERK! Re: Jean-Michel Jarre and KRAFTWERK! Jean-Michel Jarre and KRAFTWERK! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 14:54:17 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: test - please ignore Really-From: Eins, zwei, drei, vier. - -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 21:14:00 -0400 Subject: Jean-Michel Jarre and KRAFTWERK! Really-From: at994@freenet.buffalo.edu (Edy Braun) I went to the local Music Store (HMV Yorkdale Mall) as someone from the conference suggested and I found a couple Jean-Michel Jarre tapes in the "New Age" section. I didn't have time to write down the names... but I noticed the tape had the same song about 8 or 9 times! For example, say the song was called "Exposique" (don't remember the names exactly). Well, the track listing for the tape went something like: Exposique 1 Exposique 2 Exposique 3 . . . Exposique 9 There was another tape there... something like "Contours"... don't remember exactly. However, it was the same idea... the same song but with another number after it. Are the tracks actually DIFFERENT or are they "remixes" of some kind? I also found some Tangerine Dream stuff. Does anyone have any suggestions what to get as a first album? I've never heard any of this stuff but people tell me the music I compose and sequence is in the same genre as them. I would like to listen to some of their tracks before I shell out $15.00 each for the tapes. As well, the only Kraftwerk tape available at the store was "The MIX". It had several tracks on it from different albums I think... Musique Non Stop, and Computerworld, The Robots, etc... has anyone heard the album? Is it a bootleg? Is the quality good, are they the original pieces or are they remixed by somebody recently? I'm thinking of buying it (it is also $15.00 ... is it just me or are these really expensive?) but first I want to know if it will give me a good "overview" of a good range of Kraftwerk albums or if it focuses on only 2 or 3 of their albums. I would also like to know where I can get a discography so I know which albums they have made and when (and preferably what tracks are on each). Similarily with Tangerine Dream and Jean-Michel Jarre. Does anyone know where to get these? Thanks in advance. Still hoping to listen to some of this stuff before I shell out $45.00 + 15% tax for 3 tapes (JMJ, TD and K). Any ideas? Any digitized segments (preferably WAV format) that I can pick up anywhere? Or MODs? - -- _ _ |_ _| |_),_ _ ._ |_ (_[ (_) |_)| `(_[|_|| | PhANtAsMaGoRiA CyBeRpUnK yO[Ed] _/ Text-ASCII art courtesy XERF ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:24:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Jean-Michel Jarre and KRAFTWERK! Really-From: waxy@acs.bu.edu You haven't seen Kraftwerk's "The Mix" before? That's been out since 91, and it's definitely NOT a bootleg. My personal opinion on Tang. Dream is that I enjoy a lot of their more atmospheric stuff, but abhor later albums like "Exit" I have Phaedra, and I like it a lot- very ambient and good. Can anyone reccommend further TD CDs I'd dig? someone recomended "Poland" to me- is it ambient? By the way, I don't think sales tax in Buffalo, New York is 15%. I could be wrong, but that just sounds excessive -even by NY standards. exhale- "Waxy" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 22:06:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Jean-Michel Jarre and KRAFTWERK! Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > I found a couple Jean-Michel Jarre tapes in the "New Age" section. I > didn't have time to write down the names... but I noticed the tape had > the same song about 8 or 9 times! > > Are the tracks actually DIFFERENT or are they "remixes" of some kind? The tracks are different. On many of his albums (Oxygene, Equinoxe, Magnetic Fields, Rendez-Vous, Chronologie), Jarre just numbers the movements instead of coming up with a different name for each theme. - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #45 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #46 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 23 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 046 The Mix! Re: CD prices & sales tax Schneider on Radio 1 Tangerine Dream Re: Schneider on Radio 1 Re: Schneider on Radio 1 Re: The Mix! JMJ tapes and taxes RFI: Trainspotter Help Needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 09:13:28 +0100 Subject: The Mix! Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: at994@freenet.buffalo.edu (Edy Braun) > As well, the only Kraftwerk tape available at the store was "The MIX". It had > several tracks on it from different albums I think... >Has anyone heard the album? Is it a bootleg? Well, I thought most (if not all) people on this list had all the KW albums from autobahn onwards!!! Maybe you've only got to know about them recently!? The Mix is of course official (notice the record label: ELEKTRA (!)). AND I would say most people on this list have heard about it. You can dig out opinion and comments from the back issues of the digest (I don't remember if these appear on the short index in the FAQ file, which you should get). > Is the quality good, are they the original pieces or are they remixed by somebody recently? Refer to the back issues. IT'S A 100% KLING KLANG PRODUKT! By the way, I think there's some info about it on the FAQ file, so get it! On another note, I've heard yet again more rumours of a new album in Japan, although I don't know if their origin is recent or from some time ago. Anyone in Japan with some info??? Jose Garcia uno, dos, tres, cuatro... pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 03:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CD prices & sales tax Really-From: Lewis McCarthy Edy Braun writes: > As well, the only Kraftwerk tape available at the store was "The MIX". > I'm thinking of buying it (it is also $15.00 ... is it just me or are these > really expensive?) $15 is a normal retail price for a CD in the U.S. It's an outrageous price for a cassette, unless it's an import, but The Mix is definitely *not* an import in the U.S. This shopping mall isn't over the border, is it ? :) > I would also like to know where I can get a discography read the FAQ -- quelle surprise, it's in there > Thanks in advance. Still hoping to listen to some of this stuff before I > shell out $45.00 + 15% tax for 3 tapes Um, the sales tax can't possibly be 15%. As I recall it's about half that in upstate NY. And again, $15 is way too much for a U.S.-release tape like "Mix". - -Lewis ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 14:46 BST Subject: Schneider on Radio 1 Really-From: kevinb@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Kevin G Busby) As readers of 'Aktivitaet' may be aware, on Tuesday evening there was a programme on electonic pop (part of the 'History of Pop' series) which included an interview (from 1980 I think) with Florian Schneider. If there's interest and nobody else is already doing it, I'll transcribe this for this list when I get a moment. BTW, if I hadn't been told otherwise, I would have guessed it was Ralf who was being interviewed - but maybe that's just the accent! :-) Kevin PS Regarding the FAQ - I've incorporatd corrections made on this list, and think it would make sense for the FAQ to be sent to new subscribers when they join the list. I'll suggest this to Dave Datta unless the list disagrees; I presume there's not too much wrong with it, though feedback has been only slight. In the meantime, if anyone joined the list after the posting of the FAQ (and I think at least one reader must have!) mail me and I'll be happy to send a copy. - -- Mail to: kevinb@cogs.sussex.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 9:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tangerine Dream Really-From: MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU >Really-From: waxy@acs.bu.edu >My personal opinion on Tang. Dream is that I enjoy a lot of their more >atmospheric stuff, but abhor later albums like "Exit" I have Phaedra, and >I like it a lot- very ambient and good. Can anyone reccommend further >TD CDs I'd dig? someone recomended "Poland" to me- is it ambient? Well, if you like _Phaedra_, the obvious suggestion is the follow-up album _Rubycon_. If you like atmosphere, you might like the earlier _Alpha Centuri_ and _Zeit_ although those two are pre-sequencer. After _Rubycon_, you might like _Stratosfear_ and the live albums _Encore_ and _Ricochet_. You might try the early solo albums: _Aqua_ and _Epsilon In Malaysian Pale_ by Edgar Froese and _Romance 76_ and _Transharmonic Nights_ by Peter Baumann. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 15:15:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Schneider on Radio 1 Really-From: Richard Ingram > As readers of 'Aktivitaet' may be aware, on Tuesday evening there was a > programme on electonic pop (part of the 'History of Pop' series) which > included an interview (from 1980 I think) with Florian Schneider. If there's > interest and nobody else is already doing it, I'll transcribe this for > this list when I get a moment. Yes please can you do that, could it be digitised ? No probably not to many Mb :-) Richard. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 09:35:15 PDT Subject: Re: Schneider on Radio 1 Really-From: brady@Onramp.NET - ---------------Original Message--------------- Really-From: Richard Ingram > As readers of 'Aktivitaet' may be aware, on Tuesday evening there was a > programme on electonic pop (part of the 'History of Pop' series) which > included an interview (from 1980 I think) with Florian Schneider. If there's > interest and nobody else is already doing it, I'll transcribe this for > this list when I get a moment. Yes please can you do that, could it be digitised ? No probably not to many Mb :-) Richard. - ----------End of Original Message---------- Yes Please! You can digitize the audio and PKzip it for shipping. We could request it from you, or perhaps we could park it somewhere? - --Jim ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 20:56:22 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: The Mix! Really-From: jvisagie@active.iaccess.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > > > Really-From: at994@freenet.buffalo.edu (Edy Braun) > > > > As well, the only Kraftwerk tape available at the store was "The MIX". It had > > several tracks on it from different albums I think... > >Has anyone heard the album? Is it a bootleg? > > Well, I thought most (if not all) people on this list had all the KW albums > from autobahn onwards!!! > > Maybe you've only got to know about them recently!? Not to knock Edy, but I've often wondered myself at all the people who subscribe to music mailing lists dealing with artists or groups they hardly know. My mailbox is clogged enough as it is, and I'd only subscribe to mailing lists dealing with artists or groups which I'm a fan of to such an extent that I already have all their "commonly available" albums, and whose scarcer releases (and bootlegs and what have you) I'm now searching for. Just a thought... something that I've wondered about... as I said, I'm not knocking Edy at all. On the contrary, any prospective new KW fan needs to be *encouraged*. :) As for the recent Tangerine Dream thread which started up here... dare I say that you'll find more relevant info in the TD mailing list...? OK, OK... I'm leaving... sorry for wasting your bandwidh... :) - -- Johann ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 16:35:42 EDT Subject: JMJ tapes and taxes Really-From: richard@dgbt.doc.ca (Richard Paiement) >By the way, I don't think sales tax in Buffalo, New York is 15%. I could be >wrong, but that just sounds excessive -even by NY standards. I bet he's in Ontario. BTW, why not spend a few dollars more for the CD? $15 sounds excessive for a tape, even in Canadian dollars. I personally find $18 the upper limit of what I'll pay for a domestic CD. What do you mean, this doesn't relate to Kraftwerk? Richard ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 20:35:38 -0600 Subject: RFI: Trainspotter Help Needed Really-From: ozymandias G desiderata Right up front, we want to apologize for this massive cross-posting. It is important to us that we reach as many of you as we can, since you are the people that we are creating this program for. However, we are sorry if some of you have to look at this more than once (special apologies to Lazlo Nibble and Dave Datta, who will each be seeing this around five or six times). With that out of the way, this is a: REQUEST FOR INFORMATION - ----------------------- My friend David Tolliver and I, Forrest Norvell, are designing a music database system (which we've nicknamed "Trainspotter" ;). Our chief goals for the system are that it be very flexible and fast. If this doesn't sound very specific, it's because it isn't -- we're trying to get your input without giving you any preconceptions about what it is we're trying to do. What do we want from you? Simple -- information! What sort of features would you like to see in a program like this? What sort of information are you interested in tracking (about labels, groups and their members, releases and their tracks, and similar things)? Are there other music cataloging programs that you've used, and if you have, what have you liked and disliked about them? Are there special-purpose features that you've never seen implemented but would like to? In short, if you could create a dream program to keep track of your music collection, what would you want? Tell us! Send your suggestions to me at ogd@selway.umt.edu with the word "Trainspotter" in the subject line. PLEASE BE CAREFUL TO REPLY ONLY TO ME! We're imposing on the good graces of the net enough as it is, and we don't want to be responsible for a huge torrent of flames and counterflames. As you can tell from the huge number of addresses in the To: field, we are anticipating a large number of replies, so don't be upset if we don't get right back to you. However, if you do take the time to make a thoughtful reply, we will try our best to make sure that we get an equally thoughtful response back to you in a timely fashion. Thank you VERY much for your time in advance, Forrest Norvell ogd@selway.umt.edu ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #46 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #47 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Saturday, 24 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 047 wasting bandwidh FAQ file Re:pepe's last 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:05:05 +0100 Subject: wasting bandwidh Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: jvisagie@active.iaccess.za (Johann Visagie) > As for the recent Tangerine Dream thread which started up here... dare I > say that you'll find more relevant info in the TD mailing list...? I completely agree with you, Johann. Especially bearing in mind the **strong** musical and "philosophycal" differences between Die Mensch Maschine and "the Tangs". Same can be said about Jarre. I also hate the looooooong quotes that people include in their "reply"s to messages they get, just including the whole (or near) message to wich they reply. It's even worse when they include, say 20 lines of the original msg, and just add 3 new lines. Quotes should be kept to the minimum necessary and are just to remind the important points to which you want to add something relevant, or your point of view! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 10:55:10 +0000 Subject: FAQ file Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: kevinb@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Kevin G Busby) > think it would make sense for the FAQ to be sent to new subscribers when > they join the list. I fully agree. And of course it should be available at ftp.uwp.edu so people can ftp it. Another option is a monthly post to the list, but I don't know if it's better or not. Besides, it means wasting bandwidth. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 09:46:47 -0400 Subject: Re:pepe's last 2 Really-From: waxy@acs.bu.edu OK, say if I *knew* that there was a TD mailing list, I'd might have been less inclined to ask about what I should pick up next by them. But, it was my understanding that the Kraftwerk list covered Kraftwerk and like bands. Despite philosophical differences, Kraftwerk & TD are both German synth bands who both started around late 60's-70's, and are more like then, for example, Clock DVA. who I've seen discussion of... Not to bitch excessively, but if the Kraftwerk list does indeed discuss "like bands" TD are bound to come up from time to time. (2nd side Autobahn and TD's Phaedra sound pretty similar to me) I fully agree about long quotes, though... too much of that everywhere... exhale- "Waxy" ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #47 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #48 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 26 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 048 KW vs. the Tangs NEW KW ALBUM (?) Florian Schneider interview Kraftwerker's Playtime... Slovenia-Express [multiple mail loop bounces deleted] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 09:41:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: KW vs. the Tangs Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: waxy@acs.bu.edu > > But, it was my understanding that the Kraftwerk list covered Kraftwerk and > like bands. Yes, like Neu!, Harmonia, (early 70s Duesseldorf bands), and all the techno early 80's bands, like OMD, are bands that come to my mind as KW-like bands, but never the Tangs or Jarre. > Despite philosophical differences, Kraftwerk & TD are both > German synth bands who both started around late 60's-70's, perhaps the only thing in common they have. > and are more > like then, for example, Clock DVA. who I've seen discussion of... Not that I've heard a lot of Clock DVA, but they are certainly more KW-like than the Tangs. > (2nd side Autobahn > and TD's Phaedra sound pretty similar to me) Perhaps the only musical similarities: less than 20 min. worth of music. By the way, if you contribute to these comments, put a subject according to the contents of the discussion. It makes much easier to follow the different points of view around a topic. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 12:45:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: NEW KW ALBUM (?) Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Yes! But notice the question mark. With Krafwerk, nothing is sure until it's released! I've received this info just this morning: ===== By the way, Kraftwerk next album will be released November 10th. Some Dutch guy said the title is "Tour de France" a remix-album, but he was not sure. ===== That's in two weeks time! If true, we'll have new PRODUKT. That's the positive part. The negative one is there'll be no new songs :( Now, what tracks do you guys think will be on this Mix 2? (If indeed this is true.) Confirmation of this news will be welcome! Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 14:53:26 +0100 Subject: Florian Schneider interview Really-From: Kevin Busby Here are the Florian Schneider extracts I promised, from 'The History of Pop: Part 35 - Synthetic Material', broadcast 20th September 1994, BBC Radio 1. I hope no-one got TOO excited over this; once you get the accompanying music out of the way, the two extracts they used were really very short. The programme started with a general introduction, a paeon to Kraftwerk, a history of synthesisers and talk of "the first wave of German synthesiser bands". They included the mainly *acoustic* *French* band Magma in the list; this was not a perfectly well-researched programme, more of a rehash of the usual BBC electronic music retrospective, but worth hearing. Florian Schneider, talking in 1980 (the questions to which he was responding was not included):- "At the moment we... we feel very much encouraged to hear that there's a lot of energy in electronic music in England happening. Because when we went here the last time, six years ago, we were a little... _attacked_ for what we were doing at that time and I think now there's so much energy coming back to us from all the people and young industrial bands everywhere. I think we feel very much encouraged by this whole movement. It's our... our life to communicate and to... to record and to make these things happen, and therefore we don't feel rebuffed that way." Commentary from Alan Freeman, the programme's presenter:- "Not for Florian the antics of the _traditional_ rock band. Dressed demurely in suits, Kraftwerk arrived on stage as a set of identical androids, and appeared to take the whole thing _very_ seriously." Florian Schneider again:- "We live in Duesseldorf, which is right next to Cologne, and there's this electronic radio studio and they were putting out all those strange electronic sounds during the night and fairly at a young age we saw a couple of performances by composers of that school. So to us it was the next step to do after classically working piano or flute or anything, those instruments, then immediately going electronic wasn't such a big step for us as it might seem in other countries where there's not so much of an electronic scene happening. So we are like ah, maybe second generation of electronic er, people, because the older guys like Stockhausens [sic] or... or other guys, Piagafaire [?] or so... We had seen in Duesseldorf Art Centre a couple of these performances from Fluxus... Fluxus happenings and I think that gave us the idea of going electronic." The continually looping intro to 'The Robots' that has been playing while Florian has been talking is segued into David Bowie's 'V2 Schneider'. Bowie is then heard crediting Kraftwerk "prior to Autobahn" and Edgar Froese (of Tangerine Dream) as influences for his album 'Station to Station'. Can't hear it myself, but that's what he said! :-) Rest of programme covered Human League, Orchestral Manouevres etc. but not much on '90's music if I remember correctly (I didn't manage to tape the whole programme). Hope that's of some interest anyway. For those who wanted me to sample it, sorry, I don't have such facilities at my disposal. Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 15:03:14 +0100 Subject: Kraftwerker's Playtime... Really-From: Kevin Busby ... is the title of an article by Roger Sargent in 'New Musical Express' dated 24th September about the launch party for 'Trans Slovenia Express', the generally mediocre compilation of Kraftwerk cover versions which appeared recently. Some extracts from the article follow. "We are joined by three prominent figures in Slovenian Rock: Nikola, a shaven-headed, khaki-besorted young man who presently plays bass not only in Laibach, international art rock playboys, but also in Borghesia, industrial techno guerillas of distinction." So maybe all the groups on 'TSE' _do_ have a Laibach member in each of them?! The article also mentions Nikola playing bass for Demoliltion Group at the launch party. "Primoz [...], the mastermind of this whole project and the supremo of Dallas records, a local Mute offshoot [says:] '[...] when I spoke to the bands involved they all felt a certain influence, and certainly respect for Kraftwerk, regardless of being techno, metal or whatever. I guess German culture has always been quite strong in Slovenia, even though most Slovenians hate Germans!' "'They were [sic!] the last great classical composers, along with Stockhausen,' asserts Ivan from Laibach earnestly." I think those are the highlights; you'll have to seek out the article yourself if you want more. But I wouldn't go out of my way if I were you. Kevin ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 11:31:12 -0400 Subject: Slovenia-Express Really-From: waxy@acs.bu.edu Yes, I think that the T-S-E Kraftwerk comp. is more or less ALL Laibach in one form or another. The guitar parts on Strenlikoff all sound like sampled guitars to me... Parts of it are indeed, medicore, but there are some good shiny parts-\ i.e. a cover of Kometenmelodie- which is the first cover of that song, I've ever heard of- is quite good. On the techno side of things, I happen to love Random Logic's version of Home Computer... exhale- "Waxy" ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #48 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #49 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 26 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 049 Mail Chain [multiple mail loop bounces deleted.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:14:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: Mail Chain Really-From: Richard Ingram I fear a looping mail chain has started, with bounces from one site forever bouncing the message that is sent to say it bounced. I've had two lots so far !! Richard. ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #49 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #50 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 26 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 050 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [Entire digest was mail loop bounces.] ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #50 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #51 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 26 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 051 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [Entire digest was mail loop bounces.] ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #51 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #52 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Monday, 26 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 052 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [Entire digest was mail loop bounces.] ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #52 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #53 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Tuesday, 27 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 053 unsubscribe please! Mix2 Re: Mix2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 14:22:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: unsubscribe please! Really-From: calvin@vega.lpl.arizona.edu (cALvIn tHE sUPeR gENiUs!) Please unsubscribe me. I have enjoyed the topics, but the mail is too much! thanks ... rsl ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 18:22:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mix2 Really-From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU >From Jose Garcia: >I've received this info just this morning: >===== >By the way, Kraftwerk next album will be released November 10th. >Some Dutch guy said the title is "Tour de France" a remix-album, >but he was not sure. >===== I'm not quite sure where one would get this kind of info. I've never seen Kraftwerk mentioned in a new releases column, either in magazines or electronically. Then again, I'm a recent fan... >That's in two weeks time! Unless you mistakenly typed "November" instead of "October," I'd say our wait is a little longer, unfortunately. >Now, what tracks do you guys think will be on this Mix 2? (If indeed this >is true.) Well, "Tour de France," of course. :) Seriously, though, I don't have an idea. I know what I'd _like_ to see, and that would be some of the lesser-known tracks which are still quite enjoyable. "Antenna," "Airwaves," and "Spacelab" all have great potential for having adding a little '90s techno-zip to them. The same could be said for "Man-Machine." I think "Hall of Mirrors" is a very eerie tune; if they could include it without ruining that flavor, I'd be all for it. I wouldn't suggest anything from _Electric Cafe_, since those left me mostly flat. The question to ask is what kind of theme that KW would blanket this collection under. _The Mix_ seemed to be just that: updating their music to a digital, almost uniform sound. It largely depends what they want to center this new album around. Would it be fast-paced techno? Would there be newer sounds? Or *shudder* would they not even re-record the songs but simply throw them all together? I want to keep up hope, but I remain skeptical. I figured that if the pattern continued, we wouldn't see anything by KW until '96 (_Computer World_ in '81, _Electric Cafe_ in '86, and _The Mix_ in '91). (*----------+--------+--------------------------------*) (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) (*----------+--------+------+----------------+--------*) (* Computational Math major | Albion College | Senior *) (*--------------------------+----------------+--------*) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 00:24:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Mix2 Really-From: Geoff Weasel I'm pulling for "The Model." PLEASE!!!!! - --- Geoff We@sel ("Franz Schubert" wouldn't be half-bad either, but since that's a bit more obscure...) ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #53 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #54 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Wednesday, 28 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 054 Re: Mix2 subscribe Re: Mix2 RE: Mix2 Re: KW vs. TD Re: KW vs. TD Re: Mix2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 09:38:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mix2 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU > I'm not quite sure where one would get this kind of info. I've never seen > Kraftwerk mentioned in a new releases column, either in magazines or > electronically. Then again, I'm a recent fan... Well, with the massive amount of rumours, several of them reported to come from close sources to the Kling Klang gang, ... you know. Also, I've heard about this from different sources and they have one thing in common: the album will be a second part of The Mix. Perhaps I'm a bit over-excited. And yes, the date "given" by my source is November, so still to wait for a month plus. ***** IF TRUE ****** they could release this album for three reasons: 1) They have indeed come out with NEW SOUNDS, and they just don't bother to compose new songs. The important thing is the sound. 2) They release it to bridge the gap between The Mix and the release of new songs (too optimistic here assuming they want to release new songs!) 3) Just because of the high demand for a new album (pressure from EMI???) Yeah, Antenna could be a good rewerk. Neonlights could also be very good. The Man Machine, as performed in the mini tour at the end of May 93, would simply be breathtaking. Showroom Dummies is a good candidate also for a rewerk. Other obvious tracks would be: Tour de France, Computer World, Numbers. The Model, not much difference between the 90's version and the original one, so it's much less "necessary" his inclussion in a possible "Mix 2". > I wouldn't suggest anything from > _Electric Cafe_, since those left me mostly flat. I really like E.Cafe, but I don't think the tracks would change much after a 94 rewerk. Jose Garcia pepe#cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 10:37:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: subscribe Really-From: "SC Waterhouse" subscribe u2k46potter.cc.keele.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 11:20:06 +0000 Subject: Re: Mix2 Really-From: Al Crawford > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > > Well, with the massive amount of rumours, several of them reported to > come from close sources to the Kling Klang gang, ... you know. Also, > I've heard about this from different sources and they have one thing > in common: the album will be a second part of The Mix. Haven't rumours about a second _The Mix_ been circulating since around the time of the *first* _The Mix_ though? I certainly remember lots of talk of it at the time, plus rumours of "official" looking video cameras being sighted at a couple of the shows on the tour. > 1) They have indeed come out with NEW SOUNDS, and they just don't bother > to compose new songs. The important thing is the sound. Hmm. I have my doubts about this. The sounds of _The Mix_ were certainly new to Kraftwerk, but they weren't exactly new and exciting in the overall scheme of things at the time. They contemporarised Kraftwerk's music, but the current dance sound hasn't really changed *too* drastically in that time, so if we get a dance flavoured _Mix 2_ I wouldn't put it down to a desire to use new sounds. Then again, maybe they'll try something completely new. Maybe all those "Kraftwerk Unplugged" jokes will give birth to a chilling reality :-) Or maybe they'll take some of the more relaxed tracks ("Spacelab", "Neonlights", "Kometenmelodies Part 1") and go ambient? Hmm, not sure how I'd react to that. > 2) They release it to bridge the gap between The Mix and the release of > new songs (too optimistic here assuming they want to release new songs!) Yeah, I think the "want to" is very important. If what Karl says is true, there is a helluva lot of unreleased stuff lurking in Kling Klang. > 3) Just because of the high demand for a new album (pressure from EMI???) This is the one that I favour. That this announcement coincides with their label considering dropping them seems more than coincidental. It gives EMI some product and it gives the fans something to listen to (I'd rather have a new album, but _The Mix 2_ would be better than nothing). I'd imagine it'd require very little work either - I seem to remember Ralf stating in an interview at some stage that they'd brought *all* their work up to date, so putting out a second _The Mix_ would be pretty straightforward. > Yeah, Antenna could be a good rewerk. Neonlights could also be very good. I'll be very disappointed if it doesn't contain "Neonlights". Ditto "The Model" and "Tour de France". True, neither of the last two were particularly reworked for their tour, but they were different enough to warrant inclusion. I guess we just have to wait and see. Al - -- Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165 Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209 ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: 27 Sep 1994 08:58:14 -0500 Subject: RE: Mix2 Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." >(I'd rather have a new album, but _The Mix 2_ would be better than nothing). >Al ANYTHING! ANYTHING! At this point KW could record themselves eating, sleeping, taking a dump, whatever! I'll buy it! Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 17:54:48 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: KW vs. TD Really-From: jvisagie@active.iaccess.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > > > Really-From: waxy@acs.bu.edu > > > > But, it was my understanding that the Kraftwerk list covered Kraftwerk and > > like bands. Well, it *does*, but after all there is a TD mailing list. I just posted the original remark about it because the discussion in this list suddenly reminded me of things that I've heard a zillion times in that list. :) > Yes, like Neu!, Harmonia, (early 70s Duesseldorf bands), and all the techno > early 80's bands, like OMD, are bands that come to my mind as KW-like bands, > but never the Tangs or Jarre. > > > Despite philosophical differences, Kraftwerk & TD are both > > German synth bands who both started around late 60's-70's, > > perhaps the only thing in common they have. Hmmm... I have to differ from you there. For one thing, just look at the overlapping membership of the KW and TD mailing lists (and the Vangelis mailing list and probably the Jarre mailing list too, etc.) Sure, there are differences in "philosophy" (as you so aptly called it) between them (and believe me, I'm an *enormous* fan of both), but if one is to say that they differ "greatly", I think you'd have to specify them as differing "greatly within the sub-genre to which they both belong". If nothing else, TD and KW are usually seen as forming two of the cornerstones of the early 70's Deutschrock (Berlin rock / Krautrock) movement, with the others being _Can_ and (arguably) Klaus Schulze. Aside: Speaking of Deutschrock (and this is a query I should probably post to a more general forum like rec.music.newage), has anybody ever heard of the group _Faust_? - -- Johann W J Visagie (Mr_V@IRC) _____..---========+*+==========---.._____ ______________________ __,-='=====____ =================== _____=====`= (._____________________I__) - _-=_/ `---------=+=--------' / /__...---===='---+---_' Tel: +27 21 887 6220 [campus - a/h] '------'---.___ - _ = _.-' Tel: +27 21 52 2776 [home - w/e] `--------' Email: jvisagie@eccles.ee.sun.ac.za ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 12:19:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: KW vs. TD Really-From: 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU nusubscribe me please... this mail is drivni me nuts. 589007aw@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu thanx ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 01:34:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Mix2 Really-From: Geoff Weasel The only problem I had with THE MIX is that R&F seemed to be under the im- pression that COMPUTER WORLD was their best album, but while I liked it, I definitely prefer MAN MACHINE... my opinions only. - --- Geoff We@sel ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #54 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #55 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Thursday, 29 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 055 Re: KW vs. TD Re: Mix2 Re: KW vs. TD Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? X-Vms-To: IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" The top five songs which altered Karl Bartos life: Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Re: The top five songs which altered Karl Bartos life: Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)?r Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Re: The top five songs which altered Karl Bartos life: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:35:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: KW vs. TD Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: jvisagie@active.iaccess.za (Johann Visagie) > > > Despite philosophical differences, Kraftwerk & TD are both > > > German synth bands who both started around late 60's-70's, > > > > perhaps the only thing in common they have. > > Hmmm... I have to differ from you there. For one thing, just look at the > overlapping membership of the KW and TD mailing lists (and the Vangelis > mailing list and probably the Jarre mailing list too, etc.) I strongly disagree with you. It is normal that people like more than one *** KIND *** of music, no matter if they're in fact related (subgenres or whatever you want to call it). I like myself Jarre, although far less than KW :) and when I feel like listening to Jarre is because I am in a specific mood, so I would not listen to KW. There are different kinds of music, each one for a mood and a moment. The fact that I like other bands doesn't mean they do the same kind of music at all. > If nothing else, TD and KW > are usually seen as forming two of the cornerstones of the early 70's > Deutschrock (Berlin rock / Krautrock) movement Yeah, so what? The make completely different kinds of music. It's not that rare to find people loving one of these bands and hating the other one. (Aside this, I love this discussion, Johann. It IS RELATED to KW :) Any thoughts from other people ??? Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 10:52:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Mix2 Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Al Crawford > Haven't rumours about a second _The Mix_ been circulating since around the > time of the *first* _The Mix_ though? Yees! BUT this time they seem to be more reliable. At least that's what I want to believe! :) > Yeah, I think the "want to" is very important. If what Karl says is true, > there is a helluva lot of unreleased stuff lurking in Kling Klang. This I think is definitely true. At several points in KW history, they have recorded stuff which has never seen the light of day. Remeber the early 70s sessions of Florian, Rother and co. Remember the aborted Techno Pop album... and also I have an interview in a Spanish mag from early 1980 in which only Ralf pops up, (The other Kling Klang guys where supposed to appear also.) The reason they don't appear is (the best I can recall the quote) "they are finishing the mix of the new album" !!! > Really-From: Geoff Weasel > The only problem I had with THE MIX is that R&F seemed to be under the im- > pression that COMPUTER WORLD was their best album, but while I liked it, I > definitely prefer MAN MACHINE... The version of "man machine" performed at the 3 shows in May 93 was REALLY IMPRESSIVE, STUNNING, ... They indeed have more unreleased songs a la "The Mix" flavour. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 15:16:44 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: KW vs. TD Really-From: jvisagie@active.iaccess.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > I strongly disagree with you. It is normal that people like more than one > *** KIND *** of music, no matter if they're in fact related (subgenres or > whatever you want to call it). I like myself Jarre, although far less than > KW :) Ermmm, Jose, I think what we're dealing with here might be a difference in definition (as my one friend who studies Philosophy is wont to say). Personally I feel that most of the music I listen to is related in some way or another. I like to think that I'm "consistent" that way. (But maybe I just have a narrow taste in music :) Even when I listen to more "commercial" music, I listen to those selfsame "early 80's electronic" groups you mentioned - DM, OMD, Erasure, etc. Someone from completely "outside" the whole electronic/newage/e-music sphere (i.e. everything that could possibly be discussed on rec.music.newage) would probably class all my music as "weird" and fairly "samey", though, I suppose. Of course, each kind (sub-genre) of music hooks up in different ways & places to other kinds of music. KW can be linked to many modern techno groups, and it's therefore understandable that some people who like techno will find that their taste in music overlaps with mine in this area. (Even though I don't like techno _per se_.) Similarly, Vangelis sometimes overlaps with "new age", and therefore it's also possible that I'd find common ground with those with a somewhat Aquarian taste in music. :) (Even though I don't really like "real" new age music.) The same can be said of Mike Oldfield and "minimalist" music - though I'm a fan of Oldfield's, I don't really like the "real" minimalists like Reich and Glass. I'd far rather say I'd like the groups/artists that I do like for what they have in common - though I love the different perspectives (philosophies?) of different groups & artists. Errrmmm.... I think I'm wasting bandwidth again... I'm not even too sure what I'm trying to say myself... *grin* I think I'll toss this at ya and see what replies I get... :) > (Aside this, I love this discussion, Johann. It IS RELATED to KW :) *phew* :) - -- Johann ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:43:29 +0100 (MET) Subject: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Really-From: Jonas Carlson When browsing through the digests from this mailing list I keep reading about this great ROIO of a live performance in Japan during the 1981 tour. Is this the same show that's available on vinyl? I haven't heard, nor seen, the vinyl version but I was told by a girl I worked with back in '86 that her boyfriend had just bought this fantastic album. She said it was a 3LP release and that the sound quality was very very good. The way I understand it the CD is only 73 minutes, so I suppose that if it indeed is the same recording then more than 20 minutes must have been left out to make it fit in a single CD (what a shame!). I also seem to remember that someone thought that there didn't exist any releases of an entire show from the '81 tour. I belive that the above mentioned vinyl album as well as the "Computer World" (live in London) 3LP release are uncut recordings of the entire performances. I'm of course only guessing as regards to the Japan-live, but since I own "Computer World" I'm quite sure that this is indeed the entire show. Quality is excellent, by far the best live-recording I own (at least that was my impression when I last listened to it some years ago (can't say that I listen much to vinyl these days...)) and some of the mixes are really great. Especially "The Robots" and "Homecomputer/It's more fun to compute" (both played as "extras"). My only complaint about this album is that Autobahn is devided in two parts, but I suppose they didn't want to make it a 4LP release...) -Jonas- PS. I'm new to this list so please excuse me if this has been discussed in the past. (I've haven't read all of the digests...) __o __o __o __o Jonas Carlson _`\<,_ _`\<,_ _`\<,_ _`\<,_ d0cop@dtek.chalmers.se (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) Tel. +46 (0)30020132 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 15:44:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Really-From: 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU i am going to keep bugging this list until someone helps me get off it. i hate it. and i hate you. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 15:50:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: X-Vms-To: IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Really-From: 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU unsubscribe kraftwerks 589007aw@gbvaxa.uwgb.eud ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 22:20 CET Subject: The top five songs which altered Karl Bartos life: Really-From: pivic@skom.se (Niklas Pivic) 1. Claude Debussy "Foreplay to a Devil's Afternoon" The only piece of music which has made me cry. I heard it for the first time on the opera in Dusseldorf when I was 14. I have never heard anything more beautiful. 2. The Beatles "Strawberry Fields" Beatles was a part of my childhood. I don't know why I like them. There isn't always a reason to why you like something. 3. Chuck Berry "Rock 'n Roll Music" Rock 'n Roll. Chuck Berry was one of the first masters in simplicity. His lyrics are marvellous. But I am not a journalist, I am just a musician and a listener. I don't like to explain why I like a certain kind of music. 4. The Beach Boys "Good Vibrations" Their music is like a perfect polaroid of the american sixties. And Brian Wilson is an ingenius composer. 5. New Order "World" I like what Bernard Sumner is doing. We will cooperate in some way. More than that I am not going to say. When the record is there it's there, it's just stupid to talk. ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 17:18:52 PDT Subject: Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Really-From: brady@Onramp.NET - ---------------Original Message--------------- Really-From: 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU i am going to keep bugging this list until someone helps me get off it. i hate it. and i hate you. - ----------End of Original Message---------- Try asking nicely... Maybe then someone will help you. Until then, squirm! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 17:19:53 PDT Subject: Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Really-From: brady@Onramp.NET - ---------------Original Message--------------- Really-From: 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU i am going to keep bugging this list until someone helps me get off it. i hate it. and i hate you. - ----------End of Original Message---------- Try asking nicely. Maybe then somebody will help. Until then, squirm! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:38:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: The top five songs which altered Karl Bartos life: Really-From: 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU get me off this list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 \!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:39:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Really-From: 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU get me off this list get me off the list go to hell ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)?r Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > i am going to keep bugging this list until someone helps me get off it. If you're too stupid to follow the instructions posted in *every single goddamned message to the list*, you're far beyond any help that any of us could give. - -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 01:12:17 +0200 (GMT+0200) Subject: Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Really-From: jvisagie@active.iaccess.za (Johann Visagie) > Really-From: 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU > > i am going to keep bugging this list until someone helps me get off it. > i hate it. > > and i hate you. (a) You're posting to the wrong place. Look at that line at the top. The one right below the "Really-From" one. And... (b) learn some manners before somebody on the list gets it into their head to teach you the meaning of the phrase "mail bomb". Sorry to waste everybody's bandwidth (even more). - -- Johann ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 20:44:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: The top five songs which altered Karl Bartos life: Really-From: Jon Krocker On Wed, 28 Sep 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU > > get me off this > list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > > > ask nicely and maybe one of us will tell you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #55 ****************************** From: kraftwerk To: kraftwerk-digest@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk-digest V2 #56 Reply-To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk Precedence: bulk kraftwerk-digest Friday, 30 September 1994 Volume 02 : Number 056 How to unsubscribe ... Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? subscribing/unsubscribing Re: The top five songs which altered Karl Bartos life: running? Re: Kraftwerk sucks Kraftwerk 1 & 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:54:17 -0400 Subject: How to unsubscribe ... Really-From: Rajesh Prabhu OK, for those who want to unsubscribe, but were too lazy to read the instructions/messages that Dave Datta sent out when he moved the list onto Majordomo@cs.uwp.edu ( Or joined later ). Send mail to Majordomo@cs.uwp.edu with the following line in the message body (not in the Subject: line !) unsubscribe kraftwerk your-email-address (kraftwerk-digest if you're on the digest) And please spare the rest of us all that whining about not being let off the list. - -- Rajesh ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 12:03:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Rereleased ROIOs (B*****Gs)? Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Really-From: Jonas Carlson > > When browsing through the digests from this mailing list I keep reading > about this great ROIO of a live performance in Japan during the 1981 tour. Beware there are at least 3 different CDs with the same performance. > Is this the same show that's available on vinyl? Which vinyl? As far as I know, no vinyl exists of this one concert. > She said it was a 3LP > release and that the sound quality was very very good. There is a 3LP bootleg but I don't thinks it is the Japanese show (cannot look up the info now). > more than 20 minutes must have been left out to make it fit > in a single CD (what a shame!). Yes, you are right! KW should themselves release live CDs from their concerts and we would be sure to buy good quality "bootlegs", but that's just and impossible dream. > I also seem to remember that someone thought that there didn't exist any > releases of an entire show from the '81 tour. Maybe myself. I can know say I think there's at least 2 or 3 bootleg LPs with full 81 shows. I think I stated there didn't exist CDs with full 81 shows, which is true to my knowledge. > (can't say that I listen much to vinyl > these days...)) A pity. You should treat yourself to it. Of course you need a good turntable to extract all the information that's on the vinyl, which is far more than the one on CDs! > PS. I'm new to this list so please excuse me if this has been discussed in the > past. (I've haven't read all of the digests...) You should perhaps read the FAQ file. Jose Garcia "Uno, dos, tres, cuatro..." pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:16:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: subscribing/unsubscribing Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) My dear fellow, Could you possibly read the lines at the top of EVERY SINGLE message on this list ??????????? The instructions are there! This is not only for you, but for every single person that bugs the list with subscription/unsubscription messages!!!!!! Jose ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:10:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: The top five songs which altered Karl Bartos life: Really-From: 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU kraftwerk sucks ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 94 18:11:00 +0100 Subject: running? Really-From: dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl (Dolf Wiemer) Hello to all, I haven't received the KW list for more than 2 weeks, is there someting wrong?. Can someone tell me that? greets/groeten, Dolf ...... /|\.........dolf.wiemer@hacom.wlink.nl ....................../|\....... ..... /.|.\.........Dolf Wiemer..................................../.|.\...... .---------------.....Postbus 62...............................---------------. ..'./...|...\.`.......6720 AB Bennekom.........................'./...|...\.`.. .../....|....\.........The Netherlands.......+31 8389 13576...../....|....\... - ---- HACOM BBS, The Netherlands. +31-33-803610/801882/806321. All nodes 28K8! ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:38:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk sucks Really-From: luke@scruznet.com (Luther Welsh, Jr.) Geschwister: Please know that not all American children are so clueless. 589007AW@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU aka WHEELER, ALEXANDER TODD University of Wisconsin - Green Bay Query:All records (ALL):GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU A 143.200.128.2 UWGB.edu NS WISC.EDU UWGB.edu NS DOGIE.MACC.WISC.EDU WISC.EDU A 128.104.30.27 DOGIE.MACC.WISC.EDU A 128.104.30.17 Complete: GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU University of Wisconsin - Green Bay Thursday, 29-Sep-1994 18:18, Up 5 19:23, since Friday, 23-Sep-1994 22:54 VMS V5.5-2H4, MicroVAX 3100-95, GBVAXA::, GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU Login name: 589007AW In real life: WHEELER, ALEXANDER TODD Directory: USER1:[589007AW] UIC: [589007AW] ([2002,14663]) Last login: Thursday, 29-Sep-1994 14:38:45 Mail: 15 new messages 15 new messages? It was only 7 an hour ago. Perhaps he's interested in the Digest's back issues? Only joking, don't do it. Luke Welsh "Ich bin Ihr Diener und Ihr Herr zugleich" ---...--- ------------------------------ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 16:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kraftwerk 1 & 2 Really-From: "Robert J. Schmeltzer" Oh what a happy day for me. I got the first two Kraftwerk albums in that double reissue package. The records are in very, very good condition, the album cover is in pretty good shape. How much? $5 (yes, five) and that from a record store that had me on a list for it. What a nice guy that record store owner is. Oh it's the foldout, UK pressing. Even though I like albums like Electric Cafe, I love these first two albums now that I've finally heard them. Now for my questions: How does Ralf und Florian or Tonefloat sound compared to these two albums? Is it Ruckzuck or Ruckzack (I know this was discussed recently, but I'm too pre-occupied to go digging for the answer)? The songs are credited to R. Hutter and F.Schneider-Esleben. Is Esleben a third person or part of Florian's name that he no longer uses? In the gatefold are some pictures I'm sure the KW guys would rather forget, but is that guy with the beard Conny Plank? I've never seen a picture of Conny Plank but he seems to be invloved with many bands I like. Is Conny Plank still alive? One last thing; I recently got a very good condition vinyl copy of Autobahn (for $1) and I noticed that the CD version of Mitternacht is about a minute shorter than the vinyl version. What could the reason be for that? \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Robert Schmeltzer///////////////////////"I hear a solo and I think of a duet." SHOJO@delphi.com \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -Fabio, from his CD, "After Dark" ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------ End of kraftwerk-digest V2 #56 ******************************