Date: Fri, 1 Jul 94 04:00:13 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #362 Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 1 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 362 Today's Topics: FAQ suggestion (2 msgs) NO GesamtKraftwerk (2 msgs) So where can I get KW 1/2 on CD? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 17:44:12 +0100 (BST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: FAQ suggestion To: kraftwerk Really-From: Kevin Busby Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In digest 359, pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) wrote:- > Well, how many times we've seen this question ??? > > We should have a FAQ file. Any volunteers? Yes, I've been thinking the same thing; we really should have a FAQ for this list. I'll be happy to at least make a start on one (just as soon as I've replaced my hard disk drive - RSN! - so I can have a proper work through past digests). Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jul 1994 10:39:30 +0000 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: FAQ suggestion To: kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Kevin Busby > > We should have a FAQ file. Any volunteers? > > Yes, I've been thinking the same thing; we really should have a FAQ for > this list. I'll be happy to at least make a start That's perfect, better than nothing! You can first start writing the possible questions, post them to the list and then we all can work on them, with additions, etc. Jose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:31:10 MEZ-1MESZ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: NO GesamtKraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi to Jose. This is Gunther. New on the list. The KW 1 and 2 are definitely bootleg CDs, I have first-hand information. They appeared on the german record fair cicuit last weekend. They are designed in a way so as to look like real releases, but they are not. Prices are DM 35,- a piece to the best of my knowledge. BUT I'm totally sure they will never release this stuff legally. Apparently they have bought back the rights to their Philips LP's in 1981 or 1982. ( Guess why Philips haven't released any new compilations on CD since then.) And let's face it, the first three LP's do not really fit into their image ( maybe R&F a bit), and this is probably the reason why they bought them back and let all but Autobahn disappear. Greetings, Gunther ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jul 1994 10:51:04 +0000 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: NO GesamtKraftwerk To: kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Hi, Gunther :) > The KW 1 and 2 are definitely bootleg CDs > ... > They are designed in a way so as to look like real releases, > ... > BUT I'm totally sure they will never release this stuff legally. I quite agree, unless they wake up and realise they can only stop the bootlegers by releasing these very sought after records. If the bootleggers have released the first two LPs, they will probably do the same with R&F and the Organisation LP! > Apparently they have bought back the rights to their Philips LP's in > 1981 or 1982. Yes, or their contract was for a 10 year period, something of the sort. > And let's face it, the first three LP's do not really fit into their > image ( maybe R&F a bit), and this is probably the reason why they > bought them back and let all but Autobahn disappear. That's true. Still, these albums are very important. They are very innovative for their period, and an influence to many bands that still lasts today. Kraftwerk: stop bootleg activity! Jose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 11:17:18 +0000 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: So where can I get KW 1/2 on CD? To: kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) > All this talk about Kraftwerk 1 & 2 being released on CD is making me > itchy to get it. > ... Beware, Eric, these are illegal releases, recorded from vinyl. No doubt they are limited. I wonder how the people that release them can give their phone number and all. They could be sued! Jose ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sat, 2 Jul 94 08:45:15 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #363 Kraftwerk Digest Sat, 2 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 363 Today's Topics: They won't wake up ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 15:41:37 MEZ-1MESZ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: They won't wake up To: kraftwerk Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Well, I do not think KW really care about ALL of their already- released material. I suspect they are bored in the moment they can't change it anymore. (I also remember similar statements from R.Huetter) Or is there a another reason why their backcatalogue is practically unavailable? When I see my brother's collection of PetShopBoys CD Singles, I really start to wonder. Most other artist's backcatalogue is available on CD... but not Kwerk. I'd better like Computerwelt Remix on CD, really. So they just don't care... they have all the money they want, they decided not to be superstars and go cycling instead. Our pity. Maybe bootlegs are the only way, but who wants crackling vinyl sound on CD? If they'd only do it in an expert way, with digital denoise and such things... but bootleggers never cared for the music. Gunther. ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sun, 3 Jul 94 04:00:14 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #364 Kraftwerk Digest Sun, 3 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 364 Today's Topics: They won't wake up ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Jul 94 16:09:52 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: They won't wake up To: kraftwerk Really-From: David_Igra@public.se (David Igra) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Gunther wrote: So they just don't care... they have all the money they want, they decided not to be superstars and go cycling instead. Our pity. I agree! What's with these sleepyheads? They can't have earned that much money, right? And you can never have too much money! Is this really the reason why they're not interested in realising anything else? We should all write to them (They must have e E-Mail adress) and tell them what we think and that they have an obligation to us fans! -- SINDBAD Information - Public dial up mail & news service, Sweden ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Mon, 4 Jul 94 04:00:12 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #365 Kraftwerk Digest Mon, 4 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 365 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk I & II KW tour & new release (?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Jul 94 10:16:52 METDST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk I & II To: kraftwerk Really-From: Hillebrand Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi Ghunter,Jose,Eric, >> Gunther: >> The KW 1 and 2 are definitely bootleg CDs >> ... > They are designed in a way so as to look like real releases, >> ... I just got them, and they are very very fine. THe covers are in hi-quality reprints of the actual albums (only on CD-format) and the sound is very good, no scratches, I didn't hear any rumble or so. It looks like a very well-done job. With some love to the music, I suspect. THe prices for the CD's are lower than what you'd pay for a 2nd hand album. I can leave my expensive, yet a bit scratchy records in their sleeves now. If you like old KW, these boots are surely interesting. > the bootleggers have released the first two LPs, they will probably do > the same with R&F and the Organisation LP! I hope so ! >> And let's face it, the first three LP's do not really fit into their >> image .. > That's true. Still, these albums are very important. They are very > innovative for their period, and an influence to many bands that still > lasts today. I totally disagree. The KW1 & KW2 albums fit into their time as early 70's pop-records. I listen to them as funny, happy, a bit psychedelic sound experiences. The rythmical parts (ruckzuck) are really like the Autobahn stuff. These 2 albums simply belong to the KW discography ! >> Eric: >> All this talk about Kraftwerk 1 & 2 being released on CD is making me >> itchy to get it. >> ... I think you SHOULD get them. > Jose >Beware, Eric, these are illegal releases, recorded from vinyl. >No doubt they are limited. I wonder how the people that release them >can give their phone number and all. They could be sued! >Jose Can I be sued too for saying this stuff is great ? ;-) BTW: Jose: I simply can't access you directly via Email. Please try to contact me by mail again !!! _______________________________________________________________________________ Hillebrand Boorsma=Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl=+31 15782473 +31 15615553 "I'm the antenna,catching vibrations;You're the transmitter,give information" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jul 1994 14:27:47 +0900 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW tour & new release (?) To: kraftwerk Really-From: "Neuromantic" Manu Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi! (^.^)/ > Really-From: "Neuromantic" Manu > > No, no, no! I have a reservation for Toshiba EMI TOCP-7914 (New album). > ^^^^^^^^^ > But it was postponed and the release day is not deceided. New album will be put on sale on 31 August in Japan. \(^o^\)(/^.^)/ ------ STEREO CAFE No.100010 Hidetaka MASUDA E-mail: masuda@e.dendai.ac.jp Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn. ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 5 Jul 94 04:00:13 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #366 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 5 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 366 Today's Topics: A NEW record? Kraftwerk I & II R&F (was Kraftwerk I & II R&f really that rare ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:33:35 MEZ-1MESZ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: A NEW record? To: kraftwerk Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi there, A new record? I don't believe this, sorry. I suspect TOCP 7914 will (or should have been) a companion to the TOCP 7913 compilation. At least, this is what I have heard from two UK mailorder shops. First appearance in a list was late autumn 1993 (Revolution mailoreder). I don't know if it will come (but why not?), but Esprit mailorder haven't cancelled the pre-order. Or do you know more in there in Japan? This could be a fine CD any which way... I'd certainly also like the old Dentaku on CD! AND: as there is a fan from Japan, maybe you can answer the following question: Did EMI release any KW singles in Japan from The Model/Computerlove onwards? Or should there be no Japanese release of Tour De France at all? You probably know? -------------------------------------------------- I really can't comment on the quality of KW 1 and 2, as these are simply notmy cup of tea... I simply have them as collector's items. What doesn't fit in with the image of KW today are certainly the pics in KW 2... Gunther ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 94 11:42:39 METDST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk I & II To: kraftwerk Really-From: Hillebrand Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi there, I just forgot to mention that the bootleg CD's of KW I & II are not silver, but in nice white with the traffic cones printed on them in orange and green. Wow, this was a good buy. If you're a fan, get them, for I don't think these will *ever* be released officially. _______________________________________________________________________________ Hillebrand Boorsma=Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl=+31 15782473 +31 15615553 "I'm the antenna,catching vibrations;You're the transmitter,give information" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 11:32:38 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: R&F (was Kraftwerk I & II To: kraftwerk Really-From: jet@netcom.com (J. Eric Townsend) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu kraftwerk mailing list writes: > > the bootleggers have released the first two LPs, they will probably do > > the same with R&F and the Organisation LP! Is R&F that rare? I think I have at least two copies, both of which I bought at 'regular' record stores in the mid-80s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 10:38:23 MEZ-1MESZ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: R&f really that rare To: kraftwerk Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Well, the R&F pressings are all quite rare. It seems possible to pick up copies in the UK for circa pound 10, but the german and american copies are very rare (and have a different sleeve). The german poster edition is worth about DM 100,-. They sold circa 50000 copies of KW 1, circa 35000 of KW 2 and according to the same source (german music encyclopedia), considerably less of R&F. On the market KW 2 is seen most often; KW 1 is quite rare (maybe because of Ruckzuck, I guess), R&F is rarest. Copies with the original poster are rarely sold. Gunther ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Wed, 6 Jul 94 04:00:13 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #367 Kraftwerk Digest Wed, 6 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 367 Today's Topics: A NEW record? R&f really that rare ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Jul 1994 14:25:51 +0900 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: A NEW record? To: kraftwerk Really-From: "Neuromantic" Manu Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi, there (_o_) <- Japanese DOGEZA > Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> > > A new record? I don't believe this, sorry. I suspect TOCP 7914 will > (or should have been) a companion to the TOCP 7913 compilation. I had taken a message from Ishimaru on Monday that the new album will be sold on 31 August in Japan. I asked Ishimaru Denki for the content and the title of new album today. The store clerk went over the new release list of Toshiba EMI but he found nothing. He asked Toshiba EMI about new album, then he told me "The date has not fixed yet". But he could say "The album is complete NEW, it is not the Best or others". ^^^^^^^^^^^^ After all, the shop girl missed CD number who had called me on Monday. ;_; ------ STEREO CAFE No.100010 Hidetaka MASUDA E-mail: masuda@e.dendai.ac.jp Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 21:31:47 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: R&f really that rare To: kraftwerk Really-From: jet@netcom.com (J. Eric Townsend) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu kraftwerk mailing list writes: > Well, the R&F pressings are all quite rare. It seems possible to pick > up copies in the UK for circa pound 10, but the german and american > copies are very rare (and have a different sleeve). The german poster > edition is worth about DM 100,-. Gak. I have a german w/o poster and an american (I think). Oh well... --eric ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 04:00:16 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #368 Kraftwerk Digest Thu, 7 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 368 Today's Topics: A new record - fantastic! Grammatik (2 msgs) New album ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 14:27:28 MEZ-1MESZ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: A new record - fantastic! To: kraftwerk Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu well, I have noticed that album releases are given a lot earlier in japan these days. (I've observed this with PetShop Boys, Erasure...) Really something to look forward to! And a lot of money to spend to get all the releases. If anybody there in japan gets new details: please mail them fast! And many thanks for "making my day"! Hope they do a japanese 3" CD... these are so cute. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jul 94 07:07:30 PDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Grammatik To: kraftwerk Really-From: brady@Onramp.NET Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu ---------------Original Message--------------- Really-From: "Neuromantic" Manu Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu [ stuff snipped] >Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn. Is it "der" oder "den" after "auf"? Not to flame, just trying to clear the cobwebs from my ancient Deutsch lessons... Tchuess, --- Jim ----------End of Original Message---------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jul 94 16:30:48 MESZ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Grammatik To: kraftwerk Really-From: Arnulf Striepecke Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: brady@Onramp.NET > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > > ---------------Original Message--------------- > Really-From: "Neuromantic" Manu > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > [ stuff snipped] > > >Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn. > > Is it "der" oder "den" after "auf"? Not to flame, just trying to clear the cobwebs It is "der" Autobahn, But does it matter anyway? The meaning of lyrics was never really important in Kraftwerk songs! > from my ancient Deutsch lessons... > > Tchuess, > > --- Jim > ----------End of Original Message---------- > Ciao, Arnie. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Arnulf Striepecke Institute for Geodynamics Buschstrasse 4 Nussallee 8 53113 Bonn 53115 Bonn Voice: (49) 228 221573 (49) 228 73-7449 e-mail: Arnulf@geo.uni-bonn.de Germany ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 14:30:54 MEZ-1MESZ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: New album To: kraftwerk Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I forgot: Es wird immer weitergehen, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! Gunther ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 04:00:17 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #369 Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 8 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 369 Today's Topics: A new record - fantastic! A NEW record? Of course the lyrics matter! (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 20:00:34 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: A new record - fantastic! To: kraftwerk Really-From: David_Igra@public.se (David Igra) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I hate to tell you "I told you so" but the temptation is too big: I TOLD YOU SO!!! -- SINDBAD Information - Public dial up mail & news service, Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 19:58:07 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: A NEW record? To: kraftwerk Really-From: David_Igra@public.se (David Igra) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu You wrote: A new record? I don't believe this, sorry. I suspect TOCP 7914 will (or should have been) a companion to the TOCP 7913 compilation. At least, this is what I have heard from two UK mailorder shops. First appearance in a list was late autumn 1993 (Revolution mailoreder). I don't know if it will come (but why not?), but Esprit mailorder haven't cancelled the pre-order. Or do you know more in there in Japan? For starters, Japan is so far away, Sweden is much closer... ;) Hence I can't answer your question, sadly... And, IN FACT, last Autumn I read in an article in one of our eveningpapers that Kraftwerk were to release a new album called D-WERK, there was also a picture of it, although this was forever ago, I can't remember what it looked like. -- SINDBAD Information - Public dial up mail & news service, Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 14:22:57 -0400 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Of course the lyrics matter! To: kraftwerk Really-From: jlara@world.std.com (John A Lara) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Of course the lyrics mattter! Who could ever forget the stirring lyrics of 'The Model' :-) jl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 09:38:06 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Of course the lyrics matter! To: kraftwerk Really-From: David_Igra@public.se (David Igra) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Yeah, so the lyrics for 'The Model' was somewhat meaningsful, still It's the music that's really interesting! -- SINDBAD Information - Public dial up mail & news service, Sweden ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sat, 9 Jul 94 09:36:46 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #370 Kraftwerk Digest Sat, 9 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 370 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk I & II mailing New album The lyrics really matter... They won't wake up ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Jul 1994 12:50:00 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk I & II To: kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hello Hillebrand ! > Really-From: Hillebrand Boorsma > I just got them, and they are very very fine. THe covers are in hi-quality > reprints of the actual albums (only on CD-format) and the sound is very good, > no scratches, I didn't hear any rumble or so. It looks like a very well-done > job. I don't doubt it. Still, wouldn't it be better that KW released them officially and, moreover, with extra tracks from the original sessions. That's a very usual thing these days with the release on CD of old recordings. I guess it's impossible with KW :( > These 2 albums simply belong to the KW discography ! They are more than that. In a way they mean the start of industrial music, with another important contribution in TEE. Maybe their influence is not direct or obvious but it's still there. Jose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 22:38:20 -0500 (CDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: mailing To: kraftwerk Really-From: "Michael N. Alley" Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu in response to your letter. I would like both types of newsletters +-----------------+ | The White Ninja | wninja@interaccess.com +-----------------+ This is the voice of world control ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jul 1994 12:24:58 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: New album To: kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Well, seems there's some movement on the list, which I've missed. The new Japanese CD: If I'm not wrong, Esprit Mail Order claimed for the compilation CD that appeared months ago, that it was a CD with unreleased material. That in the end was not true at all. I do hope I am wrong, but I don't believe there's NEW PRODUKT until I, or someone else, hear it! > Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> > Es wird immer weitergehen, Musik als Traeger von Ideen ! Jose "La musica ideas portara, y siempre continuara" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:57:35 MEZ-1MESZ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: The lyrics really matter... To: kraftwerk Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Certainly the lyrics matter; and they matter on two distinct levels: the text is usually quite funny; they have a lot of humor, but this is best in the german lyrics. Many of the distinct double meaning jokes are lost. And they normally use very peculiar words, often distinctly old-fashioned. This makes a fine contrast to the meaning of the lyrics and music... and this brings me to the second level: they incorporate the spoken language into the music like no one else. There's real cohesion of words and music. About the new album: well, I didn't believe it in June of 1991 until they played Die Roboter on the Radio one Saturday. Never loose hope... They do, by the way have adresses, at least Huetter has. And he has a phone number. Same with Hilpert and Fluer or Schult, but I really think you shouldn't bother people if they don't want to communicate. Gunther ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jul 1994 13:05:41 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: They won't wake up To: kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: David_Igra@public.se (David Igra) > > Gunther wrote: So they just don't care... they have all the money they want, > they > decided not to be superstars and go cycling instead. Our pity. > > I agree! What's with these sleepyheads? They can't have earned that much money, > right? And you can never have too much money! Having money for the sake of it has no sense, and I guess they've got pretty enough for their lifestyle. > Is this really the reason why they're not interested in realising anything else? We've discussed in this list about this. I share the opinion that in their position of E-music gods, they are too demanding with themselves and want to continue making new sounds and surprising their audience. > We should all write to them (They must have e E-Mail adress) and tell them what > we think and that they have an obligation to us fans! Let's e-mail to Ralf@KlingKlang.duesseldorf.de ;) (Of course joking!) Florian said in Groningen last year he doesn't even own a personal computer. I do think they read the fanzine and I liked a lot Ian's comment in the Retro 1 issue. He said it would be good they released some CD single with the new "a la Mix" versions of C.World and Numbers, for instance. If they really read the fanzine, that's the only connection between them and the fans. Well, we all hope this Japanese new CD is indeed their new album! If that's the case, and has new songs, they will have needed 8 years to do new songs. Jose ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 12 Jul 94 04:00:18 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #371 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 12 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 371 Today's Topics: A NEW record (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 16:24:13 +0000 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: A NEW record To: kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Good news (really?) Can't believe it, but I've spoken with a record dealer in Madrid and he can confirm, from an apparently reliable source, that Kraftwerk have been doing recording sessions in England (?) and I just asked him if he knew anything about KW. That fits in with the info about the new CD being released in Japan. However, there should be a release date for other countries, right? Anyone with contacts can ask? "La musica ideas portara y siempre continuara, sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" :-) Jose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jul 94 22:56:47 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: A NEW record To: kraftwerk Really-From: David_Igra@public.se (David Igra) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Could this be the D-WERK record I read about last autumn, or is this something else? Does ANYBODY know ANYTHING??? This should be very interesting indeed! -- SINDBAD Information - Public dial up mail & news service, Sweden ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Wed, 13 Jul 94 04:00:13 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #372 Kraftwerk Digest Wed, 13 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 372 Today's Topics: No news in germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 11:37:53 MEZ-1MESZ From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: No news in germany To: kraftwerk Really-From: "GUNTHER PoeCKER" <0656060@pool.uni-mannheim.de> Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu There are no news about a new KW album in germany, but this has to say nothing. It's german record company and shop policy not to give away such news before there's any official promotion. (Well, it's a bureaucratic country...) Watch the news... If the release date is 31 August, then ther should be a single two weeks before this date... Let's all hope and pray! Gunther ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Thu, 14 Jul 94 04:00:19 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #373 Kraftwerk Digest Thu, 14 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 373 Today's Topics: Last U.S. Tour Mobile Fidelity ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Jul 1994 16:50:20 +0000 (U) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Last U.S. Tour To: kraftwerk Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Does anyone know when Kraftwerk last toured the U.S.? Was it during the Electric Cafe tour? I can only hope that they tour the States if indeed a new album is coming out. Lon Freeman freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jul 94 14:08:00 UTC From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Mobile Fidelity To: kraftwerk Really-From: sm@genie.geis.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu You can try Mobile Fidelity electronically by using MOFI@MOFI.COM. Steven McDonald Speaking Tree Productions ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 04:00:13 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #374 Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 15 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 374 Today's Topics: Last U.S. Tour (4 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 11:21:36 +0000 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Last U.S. Tour To: kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > > Does anyone know when Kraftwerk last toured the U.S.? Was it during the > Electric Cafe tour? No. They intended to do a tour for the E.Cafe album, but this never happened. The last KW tour in the US was in 1981. A few years ago! Jose pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 1994 08:54:42 +0000 (U) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Last U.S. Tour To: kraftwerk Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >> Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." > >> >> Does anyone know when Kraftwerk last toured the U.S.? Was it during the >> Electric Cafe tour? >No. They intended to do a tour for the E.Cafe album, but this never >happened. >The last KW tour in the US was in 1981. A few years ago! >Jose That's strange. I could SWEAR that I saw Kraftwerk's name on a local Ticketron Bulletin Board about 3 or 4 years ago. They were going to play a smaller venue near New York City. I must have been seeing things. A wishfull memory I guess. Lon freeman@msmail.bms.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 08:56:00 -0600 (MDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Last U.S. Tour To: kraftwerk Really-From: lazlo@einet.com (Lazlo Nibble) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >> The last KW tour in the US was in 1981. A few years ago! > > That's strange. I could SWEAR that I saw Kraftwerk's name on a local > Ticketron Bulletin Board about 3 or 4 years ago. They were going to > play a smaller venue near New York City. > > I must have been seeing things. A wishfull memory I guess. Not really. KW had several US shows scheduled when they toured for The Mix in 1991, but cancelled the dates at the last minute. -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 1994 11:41:44 +0000 (U) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Last U.S. Tour To: kraftwerk Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >> That's strange. I could SWEAR that I saw Kraftwerk's name on a local >> Ticketron Bulletin Board about 3 or 4 years ago. They were going to >> play a smaller venue near New York City. >> >> I must have been seeing things. A wishfull memory I guess. >Not really. KW had several US shows scheduled when they toured for >The Mix >in 1991, but cancelled the dates at the last minute. >Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) Ahh, That's what happened! How dare they cancel on me like that! Now they have to make it up to me with an area appearance (I'm sure there are a few thousand other fans here who wouldn't mind dying and going to heaven for a couple of hours). Lon (freeman@msmail.bms.com) ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sat, 16 Jul 94 04:00:15 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #375 Kraftwerk Digest Sat, 16 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 375 Today's Topics: Discography Last U.S. tour ("planned", anyways) (2 msgs) vague rumor about a recent show ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:24:00 -0600 (MDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Discography To: kraftwerk Really-From: lazlo@einet.com (Lazlo Nibble) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi everyone. I took over the discography from Dave Datta last week and have completed the reformatting to make it compatible with my other discogs and the 'yank' program. If anyone's interested, it's up at xmission.com in pub/users/lazlo/kraftwerk. I'd be interested in comments on omissions and any places where I might have gotten things confused in the changeover. I'd also like to get comments on the sound quality of the various bootlegs out there... laz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 11:19:49 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Last U.S. tour ("planned", anyways) To: kraftwerk Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Volks, Yes, Lazlo's right. KW had a tour for The Mix planned in 1991, but they cancelled due to poor sales. I don't know if they did _any_ shows, but the one I had tickets for (14th row!) in Boston was cancelled. That was surely a sad [devastating] day for me and five of my friends. :-( - Eric *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | | Princeton Transportation Consulting Group, Inc. .... Burlington, MA | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jul 1994 11:46:32 +0000 (U) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Last U.S. tour ("planned", anyways) To: kraftwerk Really-From: "Freeman, Lon C." Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Volks, >Yes, Lazlo's right. KW had a tour for The Mix planned in 1991, but they >cancelled due to poor sales. I don't know if they did _any_ shows, but >the one I had tickets for (14th row!) in Boston was cancelled. That >was surely a sad [devastating] day for me and five of my friends. :-( >- Eric Sounds like KW's promoters were too ambitious with their tour schedule. Hopefully they will try again with fewer stops and dates in order to fill up the locations. Lon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 12:16:12 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: vague rumor about a recent show To: kraftwerk Really-From: Richard Karty Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Below is an excerpt from a message posted to uk-dance today. Pretty vague.. I've never heard of "MT". ............................................................... From: Stephen Barnett Also just in the newsstands is the latest issue of MT dated april!(very slow ship!) is has some details about Musique Non Stop- Some huge party somwhere? where Kraftwerk peformed. Was anyone there? and perhaps more importantly was it videoed? Was it reviewed in any magazines? ........................................................................ -Richard ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sun, 17 Jul 94 04:00:11 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #376 Kraftwerk Digest Sun, 17 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 376 Today's Topics: vague rumor about a recent show ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Jul 94 11:15:25 SAST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: vague rumor about a recent show To: kraftwerk Really-From: Johann Visagie Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Richard Karty > > > Below is an excerpt from a message posted to uk-dance today. Pretty > vague.. I've never heard of "MT". > ............................................................... > From: Stephen Barnett > > Also just in the newsstands is the latest issue of MT dated april!(very > slow ship!) is has some details about Musique Non Stop- Some huge party > somwhere? where Kraftwerk peformed. Was anyone there? and perhaps more > importantly was it videoed? Was it reviewed in any magazines? > ........................................................................ I'm new to this mailing list... so press that 'D' key if what I say here is old news... I would suppose MT refers to _The Music Technology Magazine_ (a British publication). I have one issue of this magazine, an issue I literally grabbed from the news stand when I saw the words "KRAFTWERK INTERVIEW" on the cover. I'm not sure of the date, but it might well be the April '93 edition. And yes, a recent concert was mentioned... in fact, there were several photos. I'm currently on holiday, so I can't go back to the magazine to check on any details, but once I get back home (in about a week's time) I'd be quite willing to type in the article/interview if anybody on this list is interested in it. (And I take it nobody will put MT's legal hounds onto me... *nudge* ;) -- Johann W J Visagie (Mr_V@IRC) _____..---========+*+==========---.._____ ______________________ __,-='=====____ =================== _____=====`= (._____________________I__) - _-=_/ `---------=+=--------' / /__...---===='---+---_' Tel: +27 21 887 6220 [campus - a/h] '------'---.___ - _ = _.-' Tel: +27 21 52 2776 [home - w/e] `--------' Email: jvisagie@eccles.ee.sun.ac.za [ Note: My campus number will be unavailable till ~end July ] ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 04:15:23 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #377 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 19 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 377 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #375 Last U.S. tour ("planned", anyways) vague rumor about a recent show ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 09:14:16 -0500 (CDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #375 To: kraftwerk Really-From: "C. David Holloway" Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Replying to the discography...... I don't suppose any of you all kow who is in charge of The Shamen discography? Dave cdh1@ra.msstate.edu ...or you can call him Dave the Rave. ...or you can even call him Technodave. ...but don't call him discodave!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 19:00:30 -0800 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Last U.S. tour ("planned", anyways) To: kraftwerk Really-From: transmat@teleport.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) >Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > >Volks, > >Yes, Lazlo's right. KW had a tour for The Mix planned in 1991, but they >cancelled due to poor sales. I don't know if they did _any_ shows, but >the one I had tickets for (14th row!) in Boston was cancelled. That >was surely a sad [devastating] day for me and five of my friends. :-( > I planned on attending the SF show @ the Warfield. I heard from excellent sources that it was cancelled due to the huge demand for shows in Europe and the UK. But they were cancelled due to poor ticket sales in the U.S., how sad and typical for the U.S. Toe Jam rulz? time...space...transmat@teleport.com bleep on! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 13:22:34 +0100 (BST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: vague rumor about a recent show To: kraftwerk Really-From: Richard Ingram Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > I'd be quite willing to type in the article/interview if anybody on this > list is interested in it. (And I take it nobody will put > MT's legal hounds onto me... *nudge* ;) > > -- > Johann Yes please ! I've put up three mag articles one TD ane KW and one FSOL, a mate scanned them in, so no worris ! Rich. ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 04:00:15 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #378 Kraftwerk Digest Wed, 20 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 378 Today's Topics: discography (2 msgs) vague rumor about a recent show ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 12:08:26 +0000 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: discography To: kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Replying to the discography...... > > I don't suppose any of you all kow who is in charge of The Shamen > discography? The discography was compiled by Dave Datta. It has many incorrections and omissions. Anyone can contribute to improve it. If there's interest in doing so, there should be one person in charge of it (not me!), someone to whom contributions would be sent. Jose pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 08:04:57 -0600 (MDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: discography To: kraftwerk Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >> I don't suppose any of you all kow who is in charge of The Shamen >> discography? > > The discography was compiled by Dave Datta. It has many incorrections and > omissions. The *Shamen* discography? I don't *think* so . . . > Anyone can contribute to improve it. If there's interest in doing so, > there should be one person in charge of it (not me!), someone to whom > contributions would be sent. I'm running the Kraftwerk discography now. Any changes or additions should be mailed to me. -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 14:48:45 SAST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: vague rumor about a recent show To: kraftwerk Really-From: Johann Visagie Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Richard Ingram > > > I'd be quite willing to type in the article/interview if anybody on this > > list is interested in it. (And I take it nobody will put > > MT's legal hounds onto me... *nudge* ;) > > > > -- > > Johann > > Yes please ! I've put up three mag articles one TD ane KW and one FSOL, a > mate scanned them in, so no worris ! > > Rich. Hokay, I'll get down to that as soon as I get back from holiday... (Sometime next week). I do have access to a high quality colour scanner, if anybody would be interested in the photos from the article, as well as the magazine's cover (which featured KW as well). I haven't really thought about this before, but I suppose that if I can just scan in the article it can be converted to text... only thing is, I don't have any OCR software... maybe I can send the files to somebody else to convert, or somebody can tell me where to get the software... any ideas? -- Johann W J Visagie (Mr_V@IRC) _____..---========+*+==========---.._____ ______________________ __,-='=====____ =================== _____=====`= (._____________________I__) - _-=_/ `---------=+=--------' / /__...---===='---+---_' Tel: +27 21 887 6220 [campus - a/h] '------'---.___ - _ = _.-' Tel: +27 21 52 2776 [home - w/e] `--------' Email: jvisagie@eccles.ee.sun.ac.za [ Note: My campus number will be unavailable till ~end July ] ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 04:00:15 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #379 Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 22 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 379 Today's Topics: Aktivitaet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 23:50:16 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Aktivitaet To: kraftwerk Really-From: Luther Welsh Jr Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Geschwister: I have just spoken with Fred Becker. He still has 17 copies of issue number 4 (Aug '93) of Aktivitaet @ US$4 each. I am buying 8 of those copies thus leaving 9 for y'all. Gettem while they're hot! I am also pre-paying for a few copies of issue number 5 (Dec '93). Fred Becker Mach 25 Music PO Box 26331 Indianapolis, IN 46226 (317) 545-3114 voice only +--------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ + Luke Welsh | "Ich bin Ihr Diener und Ihr Herr zugleich" | + luke@svpal.org | "I am both your servant and your master" | + Mersenne@aol.com | Kraftwerk, The Voice Of Energy | +--------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sat, 23 Jul 94 04:00:13 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #380 Kraftwerk Digest Sat, 23 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 380 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk-like groups. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:34:09 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk-like groups. To: kraftwerk Really-From: Terry Clark Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hello everyone. Can anyone recommend any (less well known) bands or groups that are KW-like in style? Would it be a case of direct influence or of 'great minds thinking alike'. Please reply to me personally if necessary... Thanks Terry ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sun, 24 Jul 94 04:00:13 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #381 Kraftwerk Digest Sun, 24 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 381 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk-like-groups/artists: Kraftwerk-like Groups KW Members VW/Skoda Advert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Jul 94 02:06 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk-like-groups/artists: To: kraftwerk Really-From: pivic@skom.se (Niklas Pivic) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu These are some I can come up with: Karl-Heinz Stockhausen (started making electronic music about 1945! Has been a major influence on Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, among others. His "Gesang der Junglinge" is THE classic.) Tangerine Dream (A group that still exists, thanks to Edgar Froese. This group came before Kraftwerk, I think, and influenced them a lot with albums like "Phaedra".) Front 242 (One of the most important industrial bands ever, which have much influence from Kraftwerk, which one can really tell from their first album ("Geography") to the latest (Animals vs. Angels") one.) Just the name: S. P. O. C. K., Jean-Michel Jarre, Einsturzende Neubauten, Clock DVA and Front Line Assembly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jul 94 16:26:51 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk-like Groups To: kraftwerk Really-From: TKing13@aol.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Well there is Elektrik (Musik), which is Karl Bartos & Wolfgang Schult (formerly of KW). Their album Esperanto is out now on Atlantic, but I haven't heard it yet (though hopefully soon:) I've heard mixed reviews... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jul 1994 00:05:53 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW Members To: kraftwerk Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I've heard mention of Fritz Hilpert, and another member who's name escpaes me. Who are these guys? Where did they come from? How were they selected for the band? Here is something of interest from "Cyberpunk: Outlaws and Hackers on the Computer Frontier" by Katie Hafner and John Markoff... "...During intensive sessions, Pengo's preferred nourishment was yogurt, not so much for its healthful aspects as for the fact that it was a clean and effificent food with no crumbs that could fall into the crevices of the keyboard. His headphones affixed to his ears, Pengo tapped the keyboard to the strains of Kraftwerk, the West German synthesizer band that sang paeans to pocket calculators and home computers in the monotone of automatons. He would listen to one album for weeks until he couldn't stand it any longer." Pengo being a German hacker... bml ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 15:48:52 +0100 (BST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: VW/Skoda Advert To: kraftwerk Really-From: Richard Ingram Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi ! Anyone knoe if KW do the music to the UK ad about VW taking over Skoda ? Sounds like it could be ! Are these adverts Europe wide ? Bye, Rich. ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 04:00:10 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #382 Kraftwerk Digest Tue, 26 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 382 Today's Topics: Bands like KW Elektric Music concert 23/7 ESPERANTO FOR SALE Kraftwerk Digest V1 #381 RE Kraftwerk like bands (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 16:03:56 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Bands like KW To: kraftwerk Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Regarding KW-like bands, Let me also recommend "LFO" (Low Frequency Oscillation) and Aphex Twin. LFO sounds more like Electric Cafe (newer KW), and Aphex Twin, although really more "ambient" than "minimal techno", sounds somewaht like LFO (try AT's "Selected Ambient Works Volume 1"). Also, you might look into earlier OMD (Orchestral Maneuvres in the Dark). Andy McClusky of OMD cites KW as a chief influence to their songs. I have also heard of German bands called "Kluster" and "Klangwerk", but not actually seen any of their albums. Anyways know more about them? Could those who have recommended Tangerine Dream albums which are KW-like give specific references to albums? The only earlier TD stuff I've heard was horrendous (Electric Meditation). It falls into the category of "experimental music", rather than anything which I'd call "music". Then again, I haven't heard KW 1 & 2 (but I do have R&F and Exceller 8!). - Eric *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu | | Princeton Transportation Consulting Group, Inc. .... Burlington, MA | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 23:16:42 +0200 (DFT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Elektric Music concert 23/7 To: kraftwerk Really-From: Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu As you might have heard, Electrik Music appeared at the Arvika festival in Sweden last weekend. And, WOW, what a concert. They played late on Saturday-evening, and in the afternoon I met Lothar, Paul Wilkinson and Emil Schult on the festival area. Emil was out with his videocamera and we laughed at him as he was only taking shots of beautiful blondes, "For my collection he said, rescue me if they attack me". Lothar told me that they were currently working around the clock with the new album, they were halfway through with the recordings. The album name and song titles have not been decided yet. But, the album will be released in the autumn. Lothar told me that Karl was worked out, and needed vacation after they had finished the recordings. They seemed to enjoy themselves looking at other bands and having a small vacation. The concert began with an arpeggiator going up and down to warm up the PA, just as they did on the Scandinavian tour. They had changed the setup on stage, with Karl on the left, Lothar in the middle, and Ralf on the right, Emil sat on the far right side. I don't have a clear memory of the whole concert partly because it was mindblasting, especially the videoprojections that Emil did, this time they were better synched with the music, and he had "real" videos for all the songs they played from Esperanto, partly because I was standing in the front row so I got really squeezed.... The first and second songs were the same as on the tour, the second I believe is called Enterprize. Then they played Information and Esperanto straight after that. Then came the same slow song as they played on the tour, but this time Lothar sang a bit better :-). Then they played two other new songs, one with a very good video. The first of them is called Catch me when I fall. They finished the set with Lifestyle, a version a bit shorter than they played on the tour. As encore they did TV and Overdrive. Sadly they did not play those wonderful two improvised songs that they did on the tour. On stage Ralf was wearing a baseballcap with a moose-warning sign (a familiar sight on Swedish roads) and I spotted a few stickers with the same moose- warning sign. A friend asked Karl about them, and Karl quickly replied. "Well, when we saw the first one in Sweden, I looked at Lothar and told him that we should change our name to Electric Mooseic. Ralf bought the cap and the stickers at the first gas-station we saw. The manager must have thought that we were crazy German tourists, and Emil did help on maintaing that image, as he was running around the gas-station filming everything". You will hear more about the concert in the next edition of Aktivitat, Paul got a good interview with Karl. /anders Kraftwerk area on http://wwwtdb.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/kraftwerk.html Trafo area on http://wwwteb.cs.umu.se/~dvlawm/trafo.html -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 02:40:30 PDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: ESPERANTO FOR SALE To: kraftwerk Really-From: DON ECKSTEIN Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu HI, Do you still have ESPERANTO for sale for the price of $8.00 plus shipping? If so, how do you prefer payment? check, money order etc. Let me know the details on payment and where to send the payment. thanks deckstein@az.intel.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 15:57:38 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #381 To: kraftwerk Really-From: avz@nicotina.inesc.pt (Andre Zuquete) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >From datta@cs.uwp.edu Sun Jul 24 11:02:18 1994 Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #381 | Subject: Kraftwerk-like-groups/artists: | Really-From: pivic@skom.se (Niklas Pivic) | | These are some I can come up with: | | Karl-Heinz Stockhausen (started making electronic music about 1945! Has | been a major influence on Kraftwerk, Tangerine | Dream, among others. His "Gesang der Junglinge" | is THE classic.) | | Tangerine Dream (A group that still exists, thanks to Edgar Froese. This | group came before Kraftwerk, I think, and influenced | them a lot with albums like "Phaedra".) "Phaedra" may have inspired them but I think the TD album that is closest to KW style is "Cyclone". | Front 242 (One of the most important industrial bands ever, which have | much influence from Kraftwerk, which one can really tell from | their first album ("Geography") to the latest (Animals vs. | Angels") one.) Try also "Front by Front" and "06:21:03:11 Up Evil" (the numbers stand for "fuck"). | Just the name: | | S. P. O. C. K., Jean-Michel Jarre, Einsturzende Neubauten, Clock DVA and | Front Line Assembly. Einsturzende Neubauten and Front Line Assembly are much more industrial than KW. Clock DVA are closest, try "Man Amplified", "Buried Dreams" and "Sign". If you like the industrial style look also for Project Pitchfork (e.g. "Entities" or "Lambras"), Dive (e.g. "Concrete Jungle") or In Slaugther Natives (same title or "Enter Now the World"). 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Alves Redol 9, 6. 1000 Lisboa, PORTUGAL Fax: +351 1 525843 _______________________________________________________________________________ >>> Indonesians are killing innocent people in East Timor <<< >>> Australians are supporting Indonesian murderers <<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 15:32:02 +0100 (BST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE Kraftwerk like bands To: kraftwerk Really-From: Richard Ingram Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: avz@nicotina.inesc.pt (Andre Zuquete) > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > >From datta@cs.uwp.edu Sun Jul 24 11:02:18 1994 > Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #381 > | Subject: Kraftwerk-like-groups/artists: > | Really-From: pivic@skom.se (Niklas Pivic) [stuff deleted] > Try also "Front by Front" and "06:21:03:11 Up Evil" (the numbers stand for > "fuck"). > > | Just the name: > | > | S. P. O. C. K., Jean-Michel Jarre, Einsturzende Neubauten, Clock DVA and > | Front Line Assembly. > > Einsturzende Neubauten and Front Line Assembly are much more industrial than > KW. Clock DVA are closest, try "Man Amplified", "Buried Dreams" and "Sign". Also try Skinny Puppy :-) hardcore industrial. And top of the list Electric Musik, the other half of KW !! What about that other German Band D.A.F, I have heard that they are very KW like, out of the same era. What does D.A.F stand for and has anyone ever heard any of the music. Overall though I would agree that Clock DVA are closest, "Man Amplified" is good. What came out after this CD ?? Is there an Industrial List ?? Rich. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 13:02:20 -0400 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE Kraftwerk like bands To: kraftwerk Really-From: prabhu@cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Just adding my $0.02 to the discussion here .... DAF = Deutsche Amerikanisch Freundschafte -- While I do have one of their CD's, I haven't played it in a while so I can't comment on the music. (Here are some others that haven't been mentioned yet ) Another band in the same vein is Die Krupps : if I remember right, they had a song called "Stahlenwerkssymphonie" or sth. like that, which is somewhat like an extended version of "Metal On Metal" ... Hmm, maybe I'll play my "Metall Maschinen Musik" tonight and compile a review of sorts ... Then again, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Yellow Magic Orchestra (YMO) If you like later Kraftwerk, like Computer World, you'll probably like YMO. I haven't heard their latest releases, but the YMO stuff from the seventies is something like a poppier version of Computer World era Kraftwerk ... And if you like a bit of jazz in your electronic music, check out the first two albums from Landscape - the liner notes mention that Kraftwerk is one of the favourite groups of the main guy in Landscape, Richard Burgess. -- Rajesh ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 04:00:13 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #383 Kraftwerk Digest Wed, 27 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 383 Today's Topics: Bands like KW (2 msgs) Elektric Music concert 23/7 (2 msgs) Kraftwerk-like Groups (3 msgs) Kraftwerk Digest V1 #382 please, release me, let me go! RE Kraftwerk like bands (3 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 22:33:52 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Bands like KW To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Mon, 25 Jul 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Could those who have recommended Tangerine Dream albums which are KW-like > give specific references to albums? The only earlier TD stuff I've > heard was horrendous (Electric Meditation). It falls into the category > of "experimental music", rather than anything which I'd call "music". > Then again, I haven't heard KW 1 & 2 (but I do have R&F and Exceller 8!). > > - Eric > Well, you could try "Melrose" and "Art of Vision" from _Melrose_; "Rolling Down Cahuenga" might also foot the bill percussion-wise, but the music is more like a sequel to "Pilots of Purple Twilight" from _Exit_ (not a KW album). I think _Melrose_ is the closest TD came to KW style. Gabe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 21:03:46 MDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Bands like KW To: kraftwerk Really-From: avance@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Aaron Vance) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 20:38:47 -0500 (CDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Elektric Music concert 23/7 To: kraftwerk Really-From: "George A. Rosas" Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > that. Then came the same slow song as they played on the tour, but this time > Lothar sang a bit better :-). Then they played two other new songs, one with > a very good video. The first of them is called Catch me when I fall. They > finished the set with Lifestyle, a version a bit shorter than they played on > the tour. As encore they did TV and Overdrive. Sadly they did not play those > wonderful two improvised songs that they did on the tour. > well i just got back from the record store today with a copy of electric music in hand. I listened to this CD .. I was blown away..... it reminded me of OMD. (only slightly) But, I have to say that my favorite track was LIFESTYLE... WOW... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 22:38:40 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Elektric Music concert 23/7 To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu who is this ralf that appeared with EM? Gabe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 22:05:11 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk-like Groups To: kraftwerk Really-From: Kevin Busby Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Kraftwerk has of course been such a large influence upon popular music that many groups have traits which would appeal to *some* Kraftwerk fans, but since different people seem to like different aspects of KW's work, it's difficult to make universal recommendations. For example, one of my favourite KW tracks is 'Numbers'. It's not a large gap between that and some modern experimental dance music - yet I know that a number of KW fans HATE *all* techno! ;-) However, one recommendation for those that like early KW should be Neu! (spelt with the exclamation mark), a good example of true "Krautrock" and a band with historical links with KW. pivic@skom.se (Niklas Pivic) wrote:- > Karl-Heinz Stockhausen (started making electronic music about 1945! Has Although not my favourite "academic" e/m composer by any means, I agree he's done some important and stimulating work. But IMHO any direct comparison with KW is misleading in terms of sound; they have the experimental spirit in common, but that's all. > Tangerine Dream (A group that still exists, thanks to Edgar Froese. This > group came before Kraftwerk, I think, and influenced > them a lot with albums like "Phaedra".) 'Phaedra' was released in 1974, the year of 'Autobahn'. Personally I see no obvious TD influence in KW's music, but _everyone_ should have a copy of 'Phaedra' anyhow! ;-) BTW, it's true that TD exists in name, but Froese is the only original member still present and they now make muzak rather than music... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) wrote:- > Let me also recommend "LFO" (Low Frequency Oscillation) and Aphex Twin. LFO's only album to date, 'Frequencies', is patchy but IMHO contains some excellent KW-inspired material. The EP 'What is House' shows the same economy and precision of sound as KW to my ears. Aphex Twin shows less of a direct KW influence to my ears. > earlier OMD (Orchestral Maneuvres in the Dark). Andy McClusky of OMD Good idea. The influence is very strong (e.g. 'Radioactivity' -> 'Electricity'!), and their first, eponymous album is essential electronic pop. But then I guess we also have to mention early Depeche Mode, and early Human League (some very good KW-influenced ditties) and even early U2! ('Radioactivity' -> 'Reel to Reel Cacophany'!) > German bands called "Kluster" and "Klangwerk", but not actually > seen any of their albums. Anyways know more about them? I have one album by Cluster (as they were at the time), 'Zuckerzeit', quirky pieces not a million miles away from 'Ralf & Florian' in mood and approach. There's also "Harmonia" plus others in that vein. > Could those who have recommended Tangerine Dream albums which are KW-like > give specific references to albums? The only earlier TD stuff I've > heard was horrendous (Electric Meditation). It falls into the category > of "experimental music", rather than anything which I'd call "music". Experimental music is the best sort there is! :-) 'EM' was their first album, and very much a false start. After this, TD recorded some very dark, spacey electronic music (e.g. 'Alpha Centauri' and 'Zeit') and then gradually became more and more rhythm-based, before eventually becoming swamped by the technology. (BTW, if anyone does have a copy of 'Phaedra' and wants to enhance their enjoyment of it, get the file "tourbook.75.Z" from the directory "/pub/music/lists/tadream/misc" at ftp.uwp.edu; this contains a very interesting insight into the recording of the piece). Richard Ingram wrote:- > Is there an Industrial List ?? If you have usenet news access, subscribe to rec.music.industrial. Also, the FAQ for that group lists various industrial-related email lists (I can email you a copy if you need it). prabhu@cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu) wrote:- > Then again, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Yellow Magic Orchestra (YMO) > If you like later Kraftwerk, like Computer World, you'll probably like YMO. Yes, a good idea. The year before 'Computer World' YMO released 'X(infinity) Multiplies' with songs based on computer games... In a similar synth-pop vein, there's the Belgian band "Telex"; their album 'Looking for Saint Tropez' might appeal to those who like 'Tour de France' perhaps!! Synthpop with vocoders... Sorry for the length of this email; I hope some of it was useful. Oh, and my apologies for not having been able to complete a FAQ for this list yet. As I mentioned before, I have been awaiting a replacement hard disk drive (so that I could sort through old lists efficiently). There have been problems in replacing it, but it's on the way to me now, and getting the FAQ done is a priority. kV. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 22:11:16 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk-like Groups To: kraftwerk Really-From: Kevin Busby Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Small correction for my long email: for "U2" read "Simple Minds"! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 20:33:25 -0800 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk-like Groups To: kraftwerk Really-From: transmat@teleport.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Kevin Busby wrote- >one of my favourite KW tracks is 'Numbers'. It's not a large gap >between that and some modern experimental dance music - yet I know that >a number of KW fans HATE *all* techno! ;-) > Not me, said I!! time...space...transmat@teleport.com bleep on! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 02:45:15 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #382 To: kraftwerk Really-From: TKing13@aol.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > What about that other German Band D.A.F, I have heard that > they are very KW like, out of the same era. What does D.A.F > stand for and has anyone ever heard any of the music. It stands for Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft (German-American Friendship). Their earliest stuff was kind of electro-punkish. Their second album Die Kleinen Und Die Bo:sen was the first album released by Mute in 1980. Their classic albums were Fu:r Immer (1982, produced by Conny Plank of Tangerine Dream(?))and Gold und Liebe; if you've ever heard the first Nitzer Ebb album, it sounds remarkably like them (as does Front 242's 2nd album No Comment). The Absolute Body Control & Brothers singles from the mid 80s were lighter, but quite good, (esp ABC). > Overall though I would agree that Clock DVA are closest, > "Man Amplified" is good. What came out after this CD ?? Man Amplified is very good & closest to KW (Transitional Voices is a live version of some of the same material & is also very good); Buried Dreams before this was perhaps better (though more experimental); after M.A. came Digital Soundtracks and Sign, which IMHO are not as good. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 0:34:04 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: please, release me, let me go! To: kraftwerk Really-From: mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Would someone please remove me from this list? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 11:21:14 +0100 (BST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE Kraftwerk like bands To: kraftwerk Really-From: Richard Ingram Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi ! > And if you like a bit of jazz in your electronic music, check out the > first two albums from Landscape - the liner notes mention that Kraftwerk is > one of the favourite groups of the main guy in Landscape, Richard Burgess. Now was it Landscape that did Einstein a go go ?? Or am I thinking of someone else ? I never knew that they had two albums out ! > -- Rajesh Rich. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 10:24:10 GMT-0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE Kraftwerk like bands To: kraftwerk Really-From: jpunaro@next-hgo.hgo.itesm.mx ( Jorge Punaro) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Almost all early 80's techno-pop was made by bands which admited that KW was a big influence for their music. Ultravox, Landscape, OMD, Heaven 17, Depeche Mode, John Foxx, China Crisis, Thompson Twins, Gary Numan, The Human League, Japan, etc. Almost every middle 90's techno acts have a KW as a big influence, I don't know if they admite it, but do it or not they are under the KW influence: Aphex Twin, Future Sound of London, Underworld, Orbital, The Orb, Black Dog, Plastikman, Juno Reactor, etc. Saludos Jorge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 12:00:08 GMT-0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: RE Kraftwerk like bands To: kraftwerk Really-From: jpunaro@next-hgo.hgo.itesm.mx ( Jorge Punaro) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Almost all early 80's techno-pop was made by bands which admited that KW was a big >influence for their music. > >Ultravox, Landscape, OMD, Heaven 17, Depeche Mode, John Foxx, China Crisis, >Thompson Twins, Gary Numan, The Human League, Japan, etc. > >Almost every middle 90's techno acts have a KW as a big influence, I don't know if they >admite it, but do it or not they are under the KW influence: > >Aphex Twin, Future Sound of London, Underworld, Orbital, The Orb, Black Dog, >Plastikman, Juno Reactor, etc. I fotgott a very importat band: Cabaret Voltaire (You can put it on both lines, they started on the 70s and today still alive (and kicking very strong!)) Saludos Jorge ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Thu, 28 Jul 94 04:00:13 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #384 Kraftwerk Digest Thu, 28 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 384 Today's Topics: DAF (2 msgs) Elektric Music concert 23/7 (2 msgs) Kraftwerk-like groups Kraftwerk like bands vs KW-clones KW-like bands/artists Spacelab ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 18:07 MET DST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: DAF To: kraftwerk Really-From: alex@hal.rhein-main.de (Alexander Lehmann) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Richard Ingram > What about that other German Band D.A.F, I have heard that they are very KW > like, out of the same era. What does D.A.F stand for and has anyone ever heard > any of the music. DAF are more in the aggressive vein, somewhat like Nitzer Ebb. They have done some experimental stuff like "Der Raeuber und der Prinz", but in average they are not very kraftwerk-like. As for the name, DAF stands for Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft, German-American Friendship. The name is a pun on a frequently used expression German-Russian Friendship during the existence of the German Democratic Republic. The politicians used the expression to emphasize the good relations between the GDR and Soviet Union. > Is there an Industrial List ?? If you have access to the usenet, try rec.music.industrial. bye, Alexander --- Alexander Lehmann, | "On the Internet, alex@hal.rhein-main.de (plain, MIME, NeXT) | nobody knows alexlehm@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (plain) | you're a dog." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 20:45:36 MDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: DAF To: kraftwerk Really-From: avance@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Aaron Vance) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I wanna UNSUBSCRIBE! I've sent to kraftwerk-request but nothing has disconnected me to me from this mailing list...anyone else able to ehlp? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 15:32:01 +0200 (DFT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Elektric Music concert 23/7 To: kraftwerk Really-From: Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: Gabriel Yedid > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > who is this ralf that appeared with EM? > > Gabe > Ralf is a keyboardist that appears at their live performances, I am not sure if he is a regular member of the band. Even though he appears in the video clips from their studio. I can't remember his last name. I talked with him for a while after the concert, while waiting for Emil. -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * url:http://wwwtdb.cs.* feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * umu.se/~dvlawm/ * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 22:53:51 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Elektric Music concert 23/7 To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Wed, 27 Jul 1994, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: well so much for the original message... (damned site problems) as long as it's not ralf hutter who's there... Gabe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 12:26:38 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk-like groups To: kraftwerk Really-From: Richard Karty Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I strongly recommend D.A.F. too. I consider them one of the true originators of techno along with Kraftwerk and YMO and the Detroit people. about YMO: Warning: many of their albums are rather goofy, actually. Many of the songs are triying to be funny or silly and one album even has comedy skits (in Japanese). However the "Technodelic ' album has consistently fine, timeless tracks. Back to Kraftwerk... Richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 17:16:15 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk like bands vs KW-clones To: kraftwerk Really-From: Fredrik Idestam-Almquist Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu IMHO, the answer is very simple. The _only_ band I've ever heard that actually manage to sound like KW is the swedish band Spacelab. They used to make tracks that sounded like KW on purpose. And I must admit that they really succeeded. The quality of the production and that typical incredibly electronic feeling are the same. Identical. Anyone who has heard tracks like 'Electronic Confusion', 'Space is big, man is small' and 'Artificial Intelligence' knows what I'm talking about. They took pride in recreating that typical KWsound. I've been looking for other bands who sound like KW all since the first day I heard KW, 13 years ago. Desperately :) And sure, there are lots of bands who are more or less influenced by KW. Bands like Ultravox, Human League, Depeche Mode etc etc, but the only KW _clone_ I've heard so far is Spacelab. They even have that amazing competence in electronics too, and as far as I know, they build some of the machines themselves. Actually, the bestsounding vocoder I've heard so far is the one they used to manufacture and sell... and I deeply, deeply regret that I didn't buy one... - Apropos Landscape: The mainman Richard Burgess had another band which made two _fantastic_ 12"s. The band was called Shock and was a lot better than Landscape IMHO. (I like Landscape tho:) Apropos Telex: Someone mentioned that those who like Tour de France might like Telex. The interesting thing is that Telex also made a song called Tour de France, which can be found on the 1980 album Neurovision. A very good album, btw. - Anyway, those who want to hear what a genuine KW-clone sounds like, check out the Spacelab tracks I mentioned above. Mayhap I ought to mention that that Spacelab makes ambient music nowadays. Very good ambient :) Fredrik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jul 94 02:46 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: KW-like bands/artists To: kraftwerk Really-From: pivic@skom.se (Niklas Pivic) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 16:03:56 EDT > From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) > Subject: Bands like KW > To: kraftwerk > > Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) > > Let me also recommend "LFO" (Low Frequency Oscillation) and Aphex Twin. > LFO sounds more like Electric Cafe (newer KW), and Aphex Twin, although > really more "ambient" than "minimal techno", sounds somewaht like LFO I really don't think Aphex Twin is a minimalist: just look at some of the remixes of "On" which he has made. When it also comes to the "Selected Ambient Works", number one (of two) isn't named "Selected Ambient Works Volume 1". I think there's some from-to year-numbers in there. Although he's really nuts (takes LSD, owns a tank!) you might say that his works remind one of KW, but perhaps more of Brian Eno's. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 10:32:35 -0600 (MDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Spacelab To: kraftwerk Really-From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > IMHO, the answer is very simple. The _only_ band I've ever heard that > actually manage to sound like KW is the swedish band Spacelab. One of my most treasured CDs is a copy of Space is big, man is small. Unfortunately, Spacelab's discs are absolutely impossible to get in the US. If anyone in Sweden would be interested in helping me track down the ones I don't have, I'd be Mr. Appreciative. -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Fri, 29 Jul 94 04:00:15 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #385 Kraftwerk Digest Fri, 29 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 385 Today's Topics: Aktivataet, Price Correction Kraftwerk like bands vs KW-clones Subject: Re: Spacelab ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 03:20:38 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Aktivataet, Price Correction To: kraftwerk Really-From: Luther Welsh Jr Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Geschwister: Fred Becker is offering copies of Aktivitaet (issue 4, Aug '93) at US$4.50 each, not US$4.00. Fred Becker Mach 25 Music PO Box 26331 Indianapolis, IN 46226 (317) 545-3114 +--------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ + Luke Welsh | "Ich bin Ihr Diener und Ihr Herr zugleich" | + luke@svpal.org | "I am both your servant and your master" | + Mersenne@aol.com | Kraftwerk, The Voice Of Energy | +--------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jul 94 11:08:30 GMT-0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk like bands vs KW-clones To: kraftwerk Really-From: jpunaro@next-hgo.hgo.itesm.mx ( Jorge Punaro) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Apropos Landscape: The mainman Richard Burgess had another band which >made two _fantastic_ 12"s. The band was called Shock and was a lot >better than Landscape IMHO. (I like Landscape tho:) Can you give details about the Shock 12"s? I remember a note in a very old mag about them, some pictures of two guys and two girls with verys strange clothes, according with the New Romantics style. Saludos Jorge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 05:16:51 -0500 (CDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Subject: Re: Spacelab To: kraftwerk Really-From: umcordes@cc.umanitoba.ca Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > IMHO, the answer is very simple. The _only_ band I've ever heard that > > actually manage to sound like KW is the swedish band Spacelab. > > One of my most treasured CDs is a copy of Space is big, man is small. > Unfortunately, Spacelab's discs are absolutely impossible to get in > the US. If anyone in Sweden would be interested in helping me track > down the ones I don't have, I'd be Mr. Appreciative. I guess that answers my question (ie: do they have any CDs out)! I would be very interested in CDs of their albums as well! Is there ANY way to get a hold of them? How did you get your copy? Thanks! -- $ Atari TT030 4+4MB/135 $ cds,tapes,comics,rpg, 3rd Year CompSci Honours $ SyQuest 88 & ZyXEL $ software,midi,videos, University Of Manitoba, Canada $ *Still The Best* $ 4 SALE - E-Mail me... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ me... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 04:00:14 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #386 Kraftwerk Digest Sat, 30 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 386 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk like bands More KWish TD (2 msgs) New adress ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 11:30:41 +0000 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk like bands To: kraftwerk Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu There's been a lot of mail about KW like bands! I don't agree KW are or have been influenced by Tangerine Dream. It is ages since I don't listen to Tangerine Dream but their musical philosophy is completely different to KW. Neu! is a band with KW influences, from the first KW albums. Harmonia is also very good. Harmonia is Cluster + Michael Roether, from Neu! All the 80's techno band are influenced by KW, but that doesn't necessarily mean they sound like KW. I love Tour de France, but Telex is nothing near it, IMO of course. The band I like most apart from KW is Aviador Dro. They are from Madrid. Their early stuff is rather rough-sounding. They are the first techno-pop band in Spain. After a long break in the late 80's they reappeared in 91 with an excellent and modern techno CD, with a very good production. I fully recommend it. Aviador Dro 4000: "Trance". They even play a version of The Model in their concerts, with lyrics in Spanish. Jose Garcia pepe@cti.uab.es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 19:45:08 -500 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: More KWish TD To: kraftwerk Really-From: Gabriel Yedid Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu well, OK, there's more "sort-of" KWish TD than just Melrose: Lessee... The final section of "Tangent" (Poland) Network 23 (Exit) Melrose, Art of Vision (Melrose) Hyde Park (Le Parc) well that's all I know, there may be more on albums I don't have. Now what KW is there that's like TD, hm? Gabe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 2:14:48 SAST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: More KWish TD To: kraftwerk Really-From: Johann Visagie Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Gabriel Yedid > well that's all I know, there may be more on albums I don't have. > > Now what KW is there that's like TD, hm? Hmmm... what about certain bits of _The Man Machine_? Like "Space Lab" and "Metropolis". -- Johann W J Visagie (Mr_V@IRC) _____..---========+*+==========---.._____ ______________________ __,-='=====____ =================== _____=====`= (._____________________I__) - _-=_/ `---------=+=--------' / /__...---===='---+---_' Tel: +27 21 887 6220 [campus - a/h] '------'---.___ - _ = _.-' Tel: +27 21 52 2776 [home - w/e] `--------' Email: jvisagie@eccles.ee.sun.ac.za [ Note: My campus number will be unavailable till ~end July ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 12:24 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: New adress To: kraftwerk Really-From: gunnar_johansson@expressen.se Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi there. Could you change my adress from "gunnar_johansson@expressen.se" to "grj@expressen.se"? Please verify. Thank you. /Gunnar R ##### Gunnar R Johansson ##### ##### e-mail: grj@expressen.se ##### ##### Tel:+46-8-738 31 05 Fax+46-8-656 68 93 ##### ##### Expressen - Scandinavias largest daily ##### ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sun, 31 Jul 94 12:30:16 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #387 Kraftwerk Digest Sun, 31 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 387 Today's Topics: ESPERANTO FOR SALE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 22:02:58 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: ESPERANTO FOR SALE To: kraftwerk Really-From: woody Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Just checking to see if you're still interested in buying the Elektric Music cd? ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ****************************** Date: Sun, 31 Jul 94 21:22:07 CDT From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #388 Kraftwerk Digest Sun, 31 Jul 94 Volume 1 : Issue 388 Today's Topics: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #386 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Aug 94 02:35 CET From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #386 To: kraftwerk Really-From: pivic@skom.se (Niklas Pivic) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: pepe@ctisun1.uab.es (Jose Garcia) > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > There's been a lot of mail about KW like bands! > > I don't agree KW are or have been influenced by Tangerine Dream. It is > since I don't listen to Tangerine Dream but their musical philosophy is > completely different to KW. Actually, I remember an interview with Ralf Hutter where he says he's been influenced by Tangerine Dream. I must also add that he doesn't listen to any music at all these days. All he says is that "I don't need to listen to music. I just `use' something around me and I make my own `soundtracks' from that." ------------------------------ End of Kraftwerk Digest ******************************