From datta Sat May 1 14:10:56 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28634 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 1 May 1993 19:10:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199305020010.AA28634@cs.uwp.edu> From: datta (David Datta) Date: Sat, 1 May 1993 19:10:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) To: datta Subject: Respond if you wish to be removed Status: O If you are getting this message, it is because you are a member of one of the following lists: emdreams@cs.uwp.edu (Electronic Dreams) hats@cs.uwp.edu (Men Without Hats) jarre@cs.uwp.edu (Jean-Michel Jarre) kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (Kraftwerk) new-releases@cs.uwp.edu (New and Upcoming Releases) numan@cs.uwp.edu (Gary Numan) tadream@cs.uwp.edu (Tangerine Dream) If you wish to be removed from any of the lists, please send a reply e-mail to this message. If you wish to continue your subscription, you don't need to do anything. 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From kraftwerk-request Sat May 1 15:02:20 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18968 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 2 May 1993 00:04:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199305020504.AA18968@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18954 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 2 May 1993 00:04:02 -0500 Received: by orion.oac.uci.edu id AA16351 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Sat, 1 May 1993 22:03:55 -0700 Date: Sat, 1 May 1993 22:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Can I join this group? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Jonathan Komar I'm very much into Kraftwerk's music and I'm interested in joining this news group if that's what this is. How do I go about joining? Thanks, Jonathan From kraftwerk-request Sun May 2 17:19:31 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA04714 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 2 May 1993 10:19:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199305021519.AA04714@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA04704 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 2 May 1993 10:19:40 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXPHG1192O9YEDEJ@cc.uab.es>; Sun, 2 May 1993 17:19:31 GMT+0200 Date: Sun, 2 May 1993 17:19:31 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: ticket for Barcelona concert in '91 Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Jose Garcia I've scanned the ticket for the KW concert in Barcelona in '91. It's a 256 gray-level image, in TIFF format, 974 x 414 (!!!) It's quite nice. Currently, it is at ftp.uwp.edu, dir: /pub/incoming/pictures/kraftwerk file: ticket-barcelona91.tif.Z Hope you like it! Jose Garcia "La musica ideas portara y siempre continuara pepe@ctivax.uab.es Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" From kraftwerk-request Mon May 3 06:19:25 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14295 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 3 May 1993 10:16:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199305031516.AA14295@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14280 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 3 May 1993 10:16:33 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65/ECH1.13) id AA24016; Mon, 3 May 93 11:16:35 EDT Posted-Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 11:19:25 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Mon, 3 May 1993 11:19:25 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 11:19:25 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Kraftwerk II ??? Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Hi, This is my first post to the group, so forgive me if I'm treading water with this inquiry. I have been reading some posts on the net that refer to a Kraftwerk II album, and I must admit I have no idea what this is about. This is seriously debilitating my self-perception as a Kraftwerk semi-guru. Could someone please explain the concept here? Is it a Philips release like the initial Kraftwerk album w/Ruckzuck? Or an early Vertigo? What's the cover like (two pylons? ;) Also, I am in NYC, so anyone who could point me to a copy... e TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU o _______ | Wir fahren fahren fahren __/|_||__|\_|__ auf der autobahn. ( \ | / \| -Kraftwerk =(o)--------(o)-= From kraftwerk-request Mon May 3 07:46:07 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25201 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 3 May 1993 11:43:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199305031643.AA25201@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25181 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 3 May 1993 11:43:15 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65/ECH1.13) id AA25015; Mon, 3 May 93 12:43:17 EDT Posted-Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 12:46:07 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Mon, 3 May 1993 12:46:07 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 12:46:07 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Air Liquide Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Can anyone point me to a copy of "Air Liquide" by the Neue Frankfurter Electronik Shule (preferably in the US, preferably in New York). It's a limited release blue vinyl that came out a few months ago (?). From kraftwerk-request Mon May 3 06:49:42 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26397 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 3 May 1993 11:52:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199305031652.AA26397@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26382 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 3 May 1993 11:52:06 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA03717; Mon, 3 May 93 11:49:43 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk II ??? Date: Mon, 3 May 93 11:49:42 CDT In-Reply-To: <199305031516.AA14295@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 3, 93 11:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz > > Hi, > This is my first post to the group, so forgive me if I'm treading water with > this inquiry. I have been reading some posts on the net that refer to a > Kraftwerk II album, and I must admit I have no idea what this is about. This > is seriously debilitating my self-perception as a Kraftwerk semi-guru. Could > someone please explain the concept here? Is it a Philips release like the > initial Kraftwerk album w/Ruckzuck? Or an early Vertigo? What's the cover like > (two pylons? ;) Also, I am in NYC, so anyone who could point me to a copy... > e The first two KW albums are entitled "Kraftwerk" and "Kraftwerk 2". If you have the double set on Vertigo with the oscilloscope squiggles on the cover, you have both. "Kraftwerk" is the one that starts off with "Ruckzuck" and "KW2" starts with "Klingklang". D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From kraftwerk-request Mon May 3 20:29:11 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13032 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 3 May 1993 13:41:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199305031841.AA13032@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12941 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 3 May 1993 13:41:09 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXR25KNO5S9ZLOXQ@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 3 May 1993 20:29:11 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 20:29:11 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Kraftwerk II ??? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz > > ... What's the cover like > (two pylons? ;) The original "Kraftwerk" shows a traffic cone, with orange stripes. And the original "Kraftwerk 2" shows a traffic cone, with green stripes :) Jose Garcia "Computer activity is in the air for you and me" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon May 3 11:24:35 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28683 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 3 May 1993 15:21:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199305032021.AA28683@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28645 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 3 May 1993 15:21:43 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65/ECH1.13) id AA27547; Mon, 3 May 93 16:21:45 EDT Posted-Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 16:24:35 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Mon, 3 May 1993 16:24:35 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 16:24:35 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Trying to date Picture Disc Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz I recently got a bootleg picture disk of a live recording of RuckZuck, limited edition of about 2,500? I can't remember the exact number off hand. It looks like the cover to Kraftwerk I (orange pylon). The performance is dated from ' 71, but the disc itself is not dated. Does anyone know when this disc might be from? My guess is it's more recent. Also, I have a translucent copy of "Neon Lights" put out by Capital Records. Were there other such "authorized" releases on unusual vinyl? From kraftwerk-request Mon May 3 12:27:46 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24339 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 3 May 1993 21:34:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199305040234.AA24339@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24321 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 3 May 1993 21:34:13 -0500 Received: by orion.oac.uci.edu id AA22288 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Mon, 3 May 1993 19:34:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 May 1993 19:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Elektric Music Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Jonathan Komar I recently bought a limited edition CD single by a group called Elektric Music, one of the two people who is in the group is Karl Bartos. There are only 5,000 and the a-side is a song called "Crosstalk", which basically tells of Karl's wish to "talk things out". Inside the package, it says "Crosstalking to: Wolfgang Flur and Andy McCluskey (plus two others)". I'm new to this mailing list and I'm unaware of the status of Kraftwerk at this moment. Can someone tell me what's happened to the band? - Jonathan From kraftwerk-request Tue May 4 10:36:36 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26240 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 4 May 1993 03:35:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199305040835.AA26240@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26222 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 4 May 1993 03:35:34 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXRVTX4FHC9ZLOJY@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 4 May 1993 10:36:36 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 10:36:36 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Trying to date Picture Disc Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz > > I recently got a bootleg picture disk of a live recording of RuckZuck, lim. > edition of about 2,500? For more info, see back issues of the digest: 1.41 and 1.70 You should read them all though :) It's limited to 250 copies. For more info, again see those back issues. > The performance is dated from '71, but the disc itself is not dated. > Does anyone know when this disc might be from? I guess the first pressing is from late 80s, and the second one from early 90s. > Also, I have a translucent copy of "Neon Lights" put out by Capital Records. > Were there other such "authorized" releases on unusual vinyl? Yes! There are releases on red vinyl, yellow vinyl, blue vinyl, ... They are all a big problem for the collector's economy! Be sure to have loads of money before trying to get them all! Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Tue May 4 10:44:40 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26855 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 4 May 1993 03:45:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199305040845.AA26855@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26836 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 4 May 1993 03:44:59 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXRW7ONG8W9YEI0M@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 4 May 1993 10:44:40 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 10:44:40 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Elektric Music Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Jonathan Komar > > I recently bought a limited edition CD single by a group called Elektric > Music, ... It sounds very familiar to me. We've discussed about it several times. In fact, Elektric Music have 2 different singles: Crosstalk (CD5", 12") TV (CD5", 12", 12" pic. disc, 10" promo, and MiniDISC !!!) You should notice that at least the 12" and 12" pic. disc. have a track which is not on the CD5": TV2. And I guess most of us are waiting for their imminent first album! Jose Garcia "I press the key and watch TV" -TV- pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Tue May 4 10:53:32 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27394 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 4 May 1993 03:54:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199305040854.AA27394@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27348 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 4 May 1993 03:54:11 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXRWGZYS5C9ZLPJQ@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 4 May 1993 10:53:32 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 4 May 1993 10:53:32 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: The status of KW Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Jonathan Komar > > I'm new to this mailing list and I'm unaware of the status of Kraftwerk at > this moment. Can someone tell me what's happened to the band? Welcome to the list, Jonathan. I strongly recommend you to get the back issues of the digest, and read them. Otherwise we're going to get bored to death discussing always the same topics. You can get them via anonymous ftp from FTP.UWP.EDU, dir. /pub/music/lists/kraftwerk I'll just mention that Bartos and Flur are no longer KW members. Elektric Music is the new Bartos project. KW are doing 3 dates in Europe, all of them near Duesseldorf, in the last week of May. They'll probably try out new stuff (I hope :) And if you have the chance, join us :) Happy reading :) Jose Garcia "Computer activity is in the net for you and me" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Sun May 5 15:22:26 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA05092 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 5 May 1993 18:28:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199305052328.AA05092@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ihc.compuserve.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA05051 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 5 May 1993 18:27:57 -0500 Received: by ihc.compuserve.com (5.65/5.930129sam) id AA18419; Wed, 5 May 93 19:27:54 -0400 Date: 05 May 93 19:22:26 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Hi! I'm new! Status: O Really-From: Chris Gordon <70620.1445@compuserve.com> Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I hope I am not too late for your KW poll. I just found the Kraftwerk digest and love every bit of it! I've been a KW fan for at least 13 years now, and have all of their popular albums. Here are answers to your questions... 1) Best KW Album: ComputerWorld 2) Best KW Song: Pocket Calculator 3) 2nd. Best KW Song: The Telephone Call 4) 3rd. Best KW Song: The Model 5) Best mix from "The Mix": Radioactivity 6) Attended any KW gigs: No! 7) ..KW albums .. : R&F,Autobahn,R-Activity,TEE,M-Machine, C-World, E Cafe, The Mix and various 12-inch singles 8) 3 other bands I like: NitzerEbb, James Brown, The Police I would really enjoy picking up the Kraftwerk digest. If it is possible, please send it to the following address: Bruce_Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Thanks! From kraftwerk-request Wed May 5 15:41:11 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22399 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 6 May 1993 00:41:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199305060541.AA22399@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22384 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 May 1993 00:41:12 -0500 Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA03322; Wed, 5 May 93 22:41:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 May 93 22:41:11 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Old-Sender: palefox@hardy.u.washington.edu Subject: Boots? Status: O Really-From: Romeo Fahl Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Has anyone heard of a bootleg firm/group from California by the name of `Sounds Demented'? I got one of their catalogs many years ago, and it was loaded with listings for boots (all on cassette only) for all types of electronic music, KW included. I was wondering if anyone might know if these guys are still at it. I have a copy of `Ja Twoi Szluga, Ja Twoi Rabotnik', which is a live recording from the ComputerWelt tour in Munich. SOund quality is boomy, not so hot. My guess is, that it's a walkman job. I also have a taped interview with Ralf Huetter that was featured in an Australian cassette mag (fastforward) back in 1981. I would be interested in trading recordings of boots, i.e. I would tape you the Munich concert off vinyl, you tape me a one of your KW boots. I'm not too in- terested in the more recent stuff, as it's a little too thin for me, but would be happy with any ComputerWorld era or older stuff (especially soundboard quality recordings). If anyone is interested, please e-mail me, as I see no need to take up bandwidth with this. Zank you all, very matsch! - romeo - From kraftwerk-request Wed May 5 20:15:37 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24970 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 6 May 1993 01:12:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199305060612.AA24970@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from bsu-cs.bsu.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24942 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 May 1993 01:12:07 -0500 Received: by bsu-cs.bsu.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA14143; Thu, 6 May 93 01:15:38 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: New "Model" cover???? Date: Thu, 6 May 93 1:15:37 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Could one of you guys help me out? My girlfriend was in the mall the other day and SWEARS she heard "The Model," same beats almost, very pop-techno sounding, except with female vocals. Does such a thing exist? If so, who by???? Thanx. --- WE@SEL front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU "Ja Twoi Szluga, Ja Twoi Rabotnik" From kraftwerk-request Thu May 6 02:58:05 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01923 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 6 May 1993 02:58:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199305060758.AA01923@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01889 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 May 1993 02:58:05 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 6 May 93 9:58 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA191550, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: New "Model" cover???? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 06 May 93 01:15:37 EST. <199305060612.AA24970@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 06 May 93 09:56:23 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > My girlfriend was in the mall the other day and SWEARS she heard "The Model," > same beats almost, very pop-techno sounding, except with female vocals. Maybe they played the old vinyl album at 45 rpm? -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl Noise, noise, noise, noise. From kraftwerk-request Thu May 6 11:17:58 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07670 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 6 May 1993 04:18:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199305060918.AA07670@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07650 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 May 1993 04:18:18 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXUPTDSRFK9YEMHS@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 6 May 1993 11:17:58 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 11:17:58 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: I'm attending the 3 shows in May, can anybody help? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Sorry to post this unrelated topic to KW. Well it's partly related. I'm attending the 3 shows in the last week of May: 25th, Groningen 26th, Gent 28th, Osnabrueck All the dates are correct, right? Can anybody confirm, please? Also, this is more persona: It's proving hard to book hotel nights in the mentioned dates. Does anyone know about a not-too-expensive place to stay at night in these dates? Your help would be appreciated. Of course, send replies directly to me. Jose Garcia "It's a concert and it's looking good" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu May 6 12:09:34 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20665 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 6 May 1993 05:11:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199305061011.AA20665@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20517 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 May 1993 05:10:50 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXURSDT07K9YE8MI@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 6 May 1993 12:09:34 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 12:09:34 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: concert date in Osnabrueck Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Seems that the concert in Osnabrueck is the 27th, instead of the 28th, but several people posted to the list that the date for it was the 28th (Peter, Hillebrand, Lutz, are you there?) Albert says it's the 27th. Can anyone confirm, please? I need the exact date as soon as possible! Jose Garcia "It's a concert and it's looking good" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu May 6 04:22:11 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA17391 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 6 May 1993 08:19:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199305061319.AA17391@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA17360 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 May 1993 08:19:19 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65/ECH1.13) id AA24292; Thu, 6 May 93 09:19:20 EDT Posted-Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 09:22:11 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Thu, 6 May 1993 09:22:11 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 09:22:11 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: RE>Hi! I'm new! Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: Chris Gordon <70620.1445@compuserve.com> >I would really enjoy picking up the Kraftwerk digest. If it is >possible, please send it to the following address: same here. TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU /\ || /__\ |O | "SPACE LAB." |O | -Kraftwerk |O | |..| [||] | | /|..|\ / ==== \ /__[[]]__\ /..\ From kraftwerk-request Thu May 6 16:31:11 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25983 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 6 May 1993 09:31:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199305061431.AA25983@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25954 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 May 1993 09:31:41 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXV0ZCDZW09YEK6G@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 6 May 1993 16:31:11 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 16:31:11 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: RE>Hi! I'm new! Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu All the Kraftwerk digests are available via anonymous ftp, from FTP.UWP.EDU, dir /pub/music/lists/kraftwerk eh, Dave? Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es pepe@cti.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu May 6 06:31:53 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26257 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 6 May 1993 09:34:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199305061434.AA26257@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26234 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 6 May 1993 09:33:57 -0500 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6437; Thu, 06 May 93 10:34:06 EDT Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3523; Thu, 6 May 1993 10:34:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 May 93 10:31:53 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: New "Model" cover???? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 6 May 93 1:15:37 EST Status: O Really-From: Eric Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Thu, 6 May 93 1:15:37 EST you said: >My girlfriend was in the mall the other day and SWEARS she heard "The Model," >same beats almost, very pop-techno sounding, except with female vocals. > >Does such a thing exist? If so, who by???? I believe it was by Grace Jones. --Eric "Now is the time on the Kraftwerk list when we dance--auf Wiedershen!" From kraftwerk-request Thu May 6 18:37:35 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18108 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 6 May 1993 23:37:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199305070437.AA18108@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18095 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Thu, 6 May 1993 23:37:36 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 23:37:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) Subject: A little off topic but... Status: O Really-From: datta (David Datta) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I thought this would be of interest to most of the list members: --- Forwarded mail from James S Javenkoski Date: Thu, 6 May 93 22:14 CDT From: James S Javenkoski Subject: Promotional giveaway for FRONT 242 INTRODUCTION In cooperation with a friend at Sony Music Distribution, I am conducting a promotional giveaway for the new release from FRONT 242. This involves 400 2-track cassette singles and 5 video singles from the new FRONT 242 LP, which will be released on 25 May 1993. DETAILS If you would like to receive two (2) FREE 2-track cassette singles, featuring the LP tracks "Religion" and "Crapage", simply e-mail your full name and *COMPLETE POSTAL ADDRESS* in the text of the message to: JSJ@KSUVM.KSU.EDU To make this promotion more interesting, the first five (5) responses in my reader that correctly decode the title (see below) of the new FRONT 242 LP will win one (1) video for the track "Religion", in addition to the two (2) cas-singles. The title of the new FRONT 242 release is: ------------------------ | 06:21:03:11 Up Evil | ------------------------ Please e-mail your name and postal address directly to JSJ@KSUVM.KSU.EDU This promotional giveaway will end on Friday, 21 May 1993. OTHER FRONT 242 INFO A follow-up LP from FRONT 242 is scheduled for release in September, 1993. This LP will consist of re-workings of songs from "06:21:03:11 Up Evil", similar to what 4AD's Swallow did with "Blow" and "Blowback" in 1992. Front 242 will be touring the U.S. with the Lollapalooza juggernaut this summer. James S. Javenkoski "...in my house, I play my role Graduate Research Assistant in my house, I keep control Dept. of Foods & Nutrition in my house, I shed my skin Kansas State University in my house, I do what the fuck I want." Manhattan, KS 66506-1407 Bitmail: JSJ@KSUVM.KSU.EDU MOONSHAKE, "Seen & Not Heard" (1992) --- End of forwarded message from James S Javenkoski -- - Dave Datta@cs.uwp.edu: "I speak for myself, not my employer....." Apple Corporation's idea of Higher Education sales support: You need our price lists? Pay us $144/year and you can download it from Applelink. Oh, by the way, Apple dealers void their contract if they sell to you. Apple, rotten to the corp. From kraftwerk-request Fri May 7 10:22:35 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02796 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 7 May 1993 10:22:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199305071522.AA02796@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02782 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 7 May 1993 10:22:35 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <01277-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Fri, 7 May 1993 11:14:34 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA05104; Fri, 7 May 93 11:14:23 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Klangart programmm Date: Fri, 7 May 93 11:14:21 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi there, There seemed to be some confusion about the dat of the KW concert in osnabrueck. To prevent us from needless discussions and guessing, I may state that it's on thursday may 27 21:00 local time in the Stadthalle, Osnabrueck. For the mailers with suspicious minds: I scanned part of the Klangart programme and put it on ftp.uwp.edu. You may find it in the next location: pub/incoming/pictures/kraftwerk/klangart.programm.tiff.Z pub/incoming/pictures/kraftwerk/klangart.programm.txt Get it and be sure ! ............................................................................... . /||\ . Hillebrand Boorsma / || \ . / || \ . Delft University of Technology +---------------------------------+ . Dpt. of Applied Fysics +-+ + ------------------+ +-+ . Section Signal Processing \ / / || \ \ / . Lorentzweg 1 ++ / || \ ++ . 2628 CJ Delft / || \ . The Netherlands / || \ . / || \ . / || \ . E-mail: Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl / || \ . +------------++------------+ . Phone (private) : +31 (015) 615553 ................................................................................ "Wir fahr'n auf der Autobahn" From kraftwerk-request Fri May 7 10:22:39 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02810 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 7 May 1993 10:22:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199305071522.AA02810@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02791 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 7 May 1993 10:22:39 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <02437-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Fri, 7 May 1993 13:56:43 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA08182; Fri, 7 May 93 13:56:27 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Osnabrueck concert Date: Fri, 7 May 93 13:56:25 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi there, There seems to be some confusion When the Osnabrueck concert will take place. It is on Thursday May 27th, 21:00 local time, Stadthalle, Osnabrueck, Germany. If you are suspicioius about this message, get the picture of the programme I scanned & uploaded : in ftp.uwp.edu you'll find: pub/incoming/pictures/kraftwerk/klangart.programm.tiff.Z and a coresponding textfile. (I didn't get this mesg from the maillist, so I send it again) ............................................................................... . /||\ . Hillebrand Boorsma / || \ . / || \ . Delft University of Technology +--------------------------------+ . Dpt. of Applied Fysics +-+ +------------------+ +-+ . Section Signal Processing \ / / || \ \ / . Lorentzweg 1 ++ / || \ ++ . 2628 CJ Delft / || \ . The Netherlands / || \ . / || \ . / || \ . E-mail: Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl / || \ . +------------++------------+ . Phone (private) : +31 (015) 615553 ................................................................................ "Wir fahr'n auf der Autobahn" From kraftwerk-request Fri May 7 19:30:53 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03791 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 7 May 1993 10:31:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199305071531.AA03791@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sally.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03728 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 7 May 1993 10:31:42 -0500 Received: from rama (rama.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/sally-2) id AA16010; Fri, 7 May 93 17:31:30 +0200 Received: by rama (4.1/POOL.3) id AA02031; Fri, 7 May 93 17:30:55 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Osnabrueck concert (again..) Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 17:30:53 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199305071522.AA02810@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 7, 93 01:56:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I just like to know, who is going to the Osnabrueck concert from the list. I will be there - maybe we can meet alltogether some time before.. (Who is going to wear special outfit ?) Jose: There are still some tickets avaiable ! (Even student tickets) I have phoned the ticket office yesterday - thats what they told me. See you there ! -- Lutz From kraftwerk-request Wed May 8 17:32:40 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19264 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 8 May 1993 21:33:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199305090233.AA19264@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vaxa.stevens-tech.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19242 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 8 May 1993 21:33:08 -0500 Received: from VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (PMDF #2500 ) id <01GXY68ZDCIO95MUEM@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>; Sat, 8 May 1993 22:32:41 EST Date: 08 May 1993 22:32:40 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Weekly report the (mc)DATman X-Vms-To: KRAFTWERK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: MCDATMAN Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Front 242 Liner Note: Did anyone decode the Front 242 title? >Really-From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) >Could one of you guys help me out? >My girlfriend was in the mall the other day and SWEARS she heard "The Model," >same beats almost, very pop-techno sounding, except with female vocals. Hi Cerebus the Aardvark, By the way great user name. In reference to the Model. I do not know of any female vocal versions of the Model, however I do know of a female vocal version of Neon Lights by OMD (as we all do). I do know of at least three other covers of the Model: 1. Ride (not sure if female, Ruby Trax) (Note: Electric Music is featured on Ruby Trax, Baby come Back, check out NME from Ocotber, 1992, all about the Ruby Trax release.) 2. Big Black (great cover, good guitar, cover is very KW, 7" single, also released on their last album "Songs about fucking".) 3. Love Tractor (good sound, only seen it on vinyl.) I believe their are others. Jose do you know of any? >Osnabrueck-Klang Art. I am sorry to report that I cannot make the show on May 27th. However, thanks to Hillebrand I received the Tiff file of the Programm. Very well done, and the ticket from Barcelona, did that come from Jose? I will be in Seattle recording until mid-June and hope to get to Europe by the end of July. I will try and make the necessary copies of the R&F Poster to get them scanned for upload to the cs.uwp.edu site. >Question of the week? Anytng bands? -Cosmic Baby -Art Academy Both of these Techno bands from Germany have done excellent tunes with primarily Radioaktivitaet samples, as a maer of fact Cosmic Baby's latest album, "Stellar Supreme", has a track titled "Stimme der Energie". Art Academy did a track on Technopolis 3, a Suck, Zoth Ommog release from the Dorian Gray club scene called "Energie". If anyone has access to these get them, they are good, in my opinion. >Electirc Music Thanks to Jeff Johnson of California I know own both Crosstalk and TV. I like the both of them. I have always liked EM, even the remix theaataa is the best one on the Single. Is the other one on the cover of Crosstalk Manteuffel oder nichts? Emil Schult signed the artwork, he is pictured in typical 70's style on the R&F poster which he created (Check out previous mailings on that one.) The other day I sent a fax to SPV in Duesseldorft return the fax, but left a message and I believe they are sending me some info about them in the mail, I hope, more on that later. Yours.... John Richey P.S. Unrelated topic, a couple of great friends of mine from Seattle have released their debut album under Capitolecords, the band is Sky Cries Mary, the album is out now. Check it out. Not tytuff for them.) Also, the band Brad, the album is Shame. A little more Grunge, if you know what I mean. ...beam myself into the future.... >NeXT,NeXT: I have a new acco which is setup under the NeXT workstation and it is incredible. If any of the mailing list advocates have access to one of these use it and respond to my new mailing address: Really from: jrichey@gauss.stevens-tech.edu the(mc)DATman Use this mailing address in the future until further notice. Thanks. Vielen dank.racias. From kraftwerk-request Sat May 8 16:45:38 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20266 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 8 May 1993 21:48:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199305090248.AA20266@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20255 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 8 May 1993 21:48:08 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA18564; Sat, 8 May 93 21:45:39 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Weekly report the (mc)DATman Date: Sat, 8 May 93 21:45:38 CDT In-Reply-To: <199305090233.AA19264@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 8, 93 10:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: MCDATMAN > > I do know of at least three other covers of the Model: > 1. Ride (not sure if female, Ruby Trax) > (Note: Electric Music is featured on Ruby Trax, Baby come Back, check out NME from > Ocotber, 1992, all about the Ruby Trax release.) > 2. Big Black (great cover, good guitar, cover is very KW, 7" single, also released > on their last album "Songs about fucking".) > 3. Love Tractor (good sound, only seen it on vinyl.) > > I believe their are others. Yep...one I know of offhand that's really not all that odd, even though the lineup would tend to make you think it would be, is a cover by Snakefinger, backed up by the Residents. D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From kraftwerk-request Sat May 8 14:49:50 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27506 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 8 May 1993 23:49:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199305090449.AA27506@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27495 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 8 May 1993 23:49:51 -0500 Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA15238; Sat, 8 May 93 21:49:50 -0700 Date: Sat, 8 May 93 21:49:50 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Old-Sender: palefox@hardy.u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Weekly report the (mc)DATman Status: O Really-From: Romeo Fahl Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Didn't a band called the Members do sort of a reggaefied version of the Model? Seems like an interesting idea, though I've never heard the song myself. Ciao, -romeo- From kraftwerk-request Fri May 7 10:48:44 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18943 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 03:16:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199305100816.AA18943@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18918 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 03:16:12 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXW39ZKI0W9YEO26@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 7 May 1993 10:48:44 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 10:48:44 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: '81 tour dates? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu This message I'm sending is on behalf of Paul Wilkinson, who is writing an article about the 1981 tour for AKTIVITAET (the unofficial KW fanzine). He has the dates for the concerts in UK and Germany (and the date in Barcelona :) but he still needs info on the dates in the US and the rest of Europe. Any info would be appreciated. It should have the date, town and venue, if possible, and better if it's confirmed (sometimes the official dates are later changed, you know). Send the info to me. Also, if anyone has photos of the '81 tour, get in touch with me. Jose Garcia "Computer activity is in the net for you and me" pepe@cti.uab.es pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 11:40:01 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20569 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 03:39:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199305100839.AA20569@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cc.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20553 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 03:39:38 -0500 Received: by cc.tut.fi id AA27091 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Mon, 10 May 93 11:40:01 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Model covers Date: Mon, 10 May 93 11:40:01 GMT+3:00 In-Reply-To: <199305090233.AA19264@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 8, 93 10:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: Herranen Henrik Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > I do know of at least three other covers of the Model: > 1. Ride (not sure if female, Ruby Trax) > (Note: Electric Music is featured on Ruby Trax, Baby come Back, check out NME from > Ocotber, 1992, all about the Ruby Trax release.) > 2. Big Black (great cover, good guitar, cover is very KW, 7" single, also released > on their last album "Songs about fucking".) > 3. Love Tractor (good sound, only seen it on vinyl.) > > I believe their are others. I once had on tape quite a weird version of The Model. It was a funny reggae version, and I liked it very much. Unfortunately that tape was accidentally destroyed later. Is this one of the three covers mentioned above, or what= Very unfortunate indeed that the tape was destroyed since I also had there another version of The Model, which was an instrumental version, probably made by Kraftwerk. It sounded very much like the version on The Man- Machine, with two small exceptions. 1) No vocals :-) 2) The rhythm was slightly different, a little skip every now and then. It sounded a little like the weird 15/16 + 16/16 rhythm in the beginning of Tubular Bells (if you know what I mean), like one note missing every now and then. If someone is interested, I could make an Amiga mod of the rhythm. Now when I'm begun writing, I'd also like to know if my LP version of Trans-Europ(a/e) Express is of any value: I've got the both the English and German version of Trans-Europ(a/e) Express on CD, so I've been able to compare: 1) The cover is from the English version (Trans-Europe Express) 2) The inner sleeve is from the German version (Trans-Europa Express) 3) The record labels (is this the right term?) are from the German version (Spiegelsaal etc) 4) Side A of the record is sung in English (A young man stepped into...) 5) Side B of the recors is sung in German! (Endloosloosloosloosloos) If you think I'm asking questions that have been talked about for zillions of times, please mail me the answers. But if you think this is of wider interest, please use the posting list. Have a nice day! -- Henrik "leopold@cc.tut.fi" Herranen NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION! From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 04:54:40 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25622 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 04:54:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199305100954.AA25622@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25605 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 04:54:40 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <25984-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Mon, 10 May 1993 11:54:15 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA27197; Mon, 10 May 93 11:54:11 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Osnabrueck ticket Date: Mon, 10 May 93 11:54:10 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi there, I just want to inform you that a virtual ticket for the Osnabrueck concert may be found on ftp.uwp.edu. It's still in the /pub/incoming/kraftwerk direc- tory, I guess. Remember it's virtual, so it won't give you real-live acces. For this reason, the colors are left away. This may be a consolation for you who cannot be there. It's really a pity that outside of internet distances still exist. But if you consider this: 'Maybe it's even very old-fashioned to go to a live-concert. CD is an easier medium to spread music to people. It's digital and can be played by multi-media computers. So why does Kraftwerk give concerts anyway ?' , it may not be too bad for you that you miss it. ............................................................................... . /||\ . Hillebrand Boorsma / || \ . / || \ . Delft University of Technology +--------------------------------+ . Dpt. of Applied Fysics +-+ +------------------+ +-+ . Section Signal Processing \ / / || \ \ / . Lorentzweg 1 ++ / || \ ++ . 2628 CJ Delft / || \ . The Netherlands / || \ . / || \ . / || \ . E-mail: Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl / || \ . +------------++------------+ . Phone (private) : +31 (015) 615553 ................................................................................ "Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n in Cyberspace" From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 06:25:06 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24631 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 06:25:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101125.AA24631@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24614 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 06:25:06 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 10 May 93 13:25 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA121315, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: Osnabrueck ticket In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 10 May 93 11:54:10 T. <199305100954.AA25622@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Mon, 10 May 93 13:23:20 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > This may be a consolation for you who cannot be there. It's really a pity that > outside of internet distances still exist. > > But if you consider this: 'Maybe it's even very old-fashioned > to go to a live-concert. CD is an easier medium to spread music to people. > It's digital and can be played by multi-media computers. So why does Kraftwerk > give concerts anyway ?' , it may not be too bad for you that you miss it. Huetter said in an interview some 10 years ago that in the future they might play concerts by simply staying in Duesseldorf and link to the concert hall or even the home directly via satellite. Of course a band like U2 now already has done that extensively with Zoo tv. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl "Spielen im Aether das Wellenklavier" From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 02:31:43 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00497 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 07:31:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101231.AA00497@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00477 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Mon, 10 May 1993 07:31:45 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 07:31:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) "Osnabrueck ticket" (May 10, 11:54am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) Subject: Re: Osnabrueck ticket Status: O Really-From: datta (David Datta) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu } Really-From: "H." Boorsma } I just want to inform you that a virtual ticket for the Osnabrueck concert } may be found on ftp.uwp.edu. It's still in the /pub/incoming/kraftwerk direc- } tory, I guess. Remember it's virtual, so it won't give you real-live acces. It is in /pub/music/pictures/k/kraftwerk -- - Dave Datta@cs.uwp.edu: "I speak for myself, not my employer....." Apple Corporation's idea of Higher Education sales support: You need our price lists? Pay us $144/year and you can download it from Applelink. Oh, by the way, Apple dealers void their contract if they sell to you. Apple, rotten to the corp. From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 04:53:19 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03092 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 07:55:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101255.AA03092@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03079 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 07:55:44 -0500 Received: from unixd3.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA14556 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 08:55:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 08:53:19 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: KW in Linz In-Reply-To: <199304281207.AA12730@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > > > In addition to this, you should know that KW will perform on the Arts Elektro- > nica festival in Linz, Austria in June or July. I'll try to put more info on > the mail list when I find out more. > > Hillebrand Has this been confirmed yet? I'm going to be traveling in Europe in June and July...and would pay anything to catch a KW concert. Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu All night, all night, BASS! From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 05:58:51 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA10646 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 08:56:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101356.AA10646@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from VAX.ETOWN.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA10632 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 08:56:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 9:58:51 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Synths Status: O Really-From: TAVARESAC@VAX.ETOWN.EDU Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi! I don't know if you discussed this earlier in the list, but I will ask anyway. Does anyone knows (or knows where to get) technical information about The Mix (like synths, samplers, FX proc., digital multitracks, and etc)? The album sounds great (it is not my favorite, but it definitely sounds amazing), so I was curious about the technical aspects. Also, if is there anyone of you who would be interested in changing mail about synth programming, please send me a note. I am interested in sampling and advanced FM synthesis, but my favorite synthesizer is still my 20 year old Minimoog!!! :-) Thank you Andre' Tavares tavaresac@vax.etown.edu "I'm the operator with my pocket calculator" From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 09:27:52 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA15328 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 09:27:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101427.AA15328@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA15314 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 09:27:52 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <28632-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Mon, 10 May 1993 16:26:22 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA16890; Mon, 10 May 93 16:26:16 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Synths Date: Mon, 10 May 93 16:26:10 METDST In-Reply-To: <199305101356.AA10646@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 10, 93 9:58 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu As far as I know, the main part of the Man-machine is a Synclavier nowadays.. For The Mix, KW sampeled old sounds and overworked them for the additive synth engine. Given the sound-design qualities of KW, and the incredible quality of Synclavier sounds, this indeed gives a great effect. Yet, I prefer an analogue setup. Hillebrand "Wenn Wellen schwingen..." From kraftwerk-request Fri May 10 18:55:40 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19616 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 09:54:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101454.AA19616@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dnlts0.research.ptt.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19575 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 09:54:44 -0500 Return-Receipt-To: A.T.Wammes@research.ptt.nl Received: from sun006.research.ptt.nl by research.ptt.nl (PMDF #2928 ) id <01GY0N3ALZEOBJW17T@research.ptt.nl>; Mon, 10 May 1993 16:55:53 +0200 Received: from sun034 by sun006.research.ptt.nl (4.1/RTL-2.1) id AA04044; Mon, 10 May 93 16:55:40 +0200 Date: 10 May 1993 16:55:40 +0200 (MET DST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: KW in Linz In-Reply-To: <199305101255.AA03092@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 10, 93 08:53:19 am X-Old-Reply-To: A.T.Wammes@research.ptt.nl X-Organization: PTT Research Tele-informatics X-Envelope-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Address: P.O. Box 15.000, 9700 CD Groningen, The Netherlands X-Department: Informatics - Distributed Application Development X-Fax-Number: +31 50 122415 X-Phone-Number: +31 50 821118 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Status: O Really-From: A.T.Wammes@research.ptt.nl (Albert Wammes) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: Ravindra S Shah > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > > > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > > > > > > In addition to this, you should know that KW will perform on the Arts Elektro- > > nica festival in Linz, Austria in June or July. I'll try to put more info on > > the mail list when I find out more. > > > > Hillebrand > > Has this been confirmed yet? I'm going to be traveling in Europe in June > and July...and would pay anything to catch a KW concert. > What I understand, it is going to take place the 17th of june. Information taken from the KLEM-information line (+31 3450 19087). (KLEM = Club for Electronic Music Lovers) Albert From kraftwerk-request Fri May 10 18:56:24 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20413 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 09:59:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101459.AA20413@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20273 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 09:58:19 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GY0N2BLP1C8WW0WR@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 10 May 1993 16:56:24 +0200 Date: 10 May 1993 16:56:24 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: KW in Linz Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Albert Wammes says KW are performing in Linz in June the 17th. Hope you can see them, Ravi. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri May 10 19:17:06 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24217 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 10:19:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101519.AA24217@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24164 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 10:18:57 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GY0NKXCH2O8WW0MR@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 10 May 1993 17:17:07 +0200 Date: 10 May 1993 17:17:06 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Weekly report the (mc)DATman Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: MCDATMAN > > I do know of at least three other covers of the Model: > ... > Jose do you know of any? Sort of. The ones I know about haven't released on record. Aviador Dro used to play a cover of it with different lyrics, in Spanish of course. They are a Spanish techno band, the most popular one in Spain, a few years ago (not very popular though). I also heard a version of The Model with female singers, but it was from a tape that a teacher of English passed to a friend of mine. This teacher was into synths and so on... > I am sorry to report that I cannot make the show on May 27th. > However, thanks to > Hillebrand I received the Tiff file of the Programm. > Very well done, and the ticket from Barcelona, did that come from Jose? Of course :) > I will be in Seattle recording until mid-June Recording what? > and hope to get to Europe by the end of July. You can go and see KW in Linz the 17th :) > I will try and make the necessary copies of the R&F Poster to get them > scanned for upload to the cs.uwp.edu site. Please do. Jose Garcia "Computer activity is in the net for you and me" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 17:26:13 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25750 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 10:29:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101529.AA25750@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25720 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 10:29:27 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GY0NX89DA88ZDVEG@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 10 May 1993 17:26:14 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 17:26:13 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Synths Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: TAVARESAC@VAX.ETOWN.EDU > ... > Does anyone knows (or knows where to get) technical information >about The Mix (like synths, samplers, FX proc., digital multitracks, and etc)? Not really. I'd also like to see sth of this, although I'm not very electronic music literate. There's some little info (don't expect too much) in an article on the US magazine "KEYBOARD", with an interview to Ralf. Quite a good article IMO. It's an issue from last year. > The album sounds great (it is not my favorite, but it definitely > sounds amazing), so I was curious about the technical aspects. Yeah, everything is "in the digital domain". My favourite ones are "radioaktivitaet", "autobahn" and "robotnik". Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 03:00:17 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00697 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 11:05:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101605.AA00697@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from gauss.stevens-tech.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00676 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 11:05:30 -0500 Received: from turing by gauss.stevens-tech.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0M) id AA10570; Mon, 10 May 93 12:00:17 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Received: by turing.stevens-tech.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0X) id AA03201; Mon, 10 May 93 10:00:17 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 May 93 10:00:17 -0700 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) Subject: the(mc)DATman Status: O Really-From: John Richey Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hello Jose et al, > I will be in Seattle recording until mid-June Recording what? Live recordings on DAT for my friends' bands. Sky Cries Mary and Brad. Then in the studio editing some bootlegs of Operas for my father, which I recorded recently in NYC. > and hope to get to Europe by the end of July. You can go and see KW in Linz the 17th :) Is that show in June or July? If in June, perhaps I will make it, if in July then for sure. According to Albert: What I understand, it is going to take place the 17th of june. Information taken from the KLEM-information line (+31 3450 19087). (KLEM = Club for Electronic Music Lovers) Albert >Re: Synths As you all probably know by now that Synclavier has been out of business. Therefore, anyone owning a Synclavier has had much difficulty in keeping product support lines open with New England Digital. Anything else to report? I have been to Matten & Wiechers in Bonn and in Muenchen. This is a fantastic shop which caters to bands like KW. When I was in Muenchen in 1986, I was at M&W when Florian came to the shop an hour after I had been there, he went to see the film Peter Pan with the proprietor of the shop there, his name I have forgotten right now, but he is very interesting and knowledgeable. I will post the address in the coming weeks and the name for contacting Matten & Wiechers Synthesizer Studio Bonn. However, one can get it from Information (Auskunft) just by calling the AT&T ops here, but they charge you $3.00, a rip off. >Really-From: Herranen Henrik Amiga-mod, sounds great, upload to cs.uwp.edu if possible. TEE, value, not sure, got the poster? The Model versions mentioned above do not sound Reggae like, the Tubular Bells metaphor sounds like one of the 7" singles remixed about the '78, chech the discog if you do not have it already. From kraftwerk-request Fri May 10 20:09:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01368 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 11:11:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101611.AA01368@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01324 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 11:10:42 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GY0PHQACQ88WW1B4@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 10 May 1993 18:09:00 +0200 Date: 10 May 1993 18:09:00 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Osnabrueck ticket Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: datta (David Datta) > > } Really-From: "H." Boorsma > } I just want to inform you that a virtual ticket for the Osnabrueck concert > } may be found on ftp.uwp.edu. ... > It is in /pub/music/pictures/k/kraftwerk Where is it, Dave? I cannot find it! I can only find the klangart programme but not the ticket for Osnabrueck! Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 06:58:41 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08217 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 11:57:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101657.AA08217@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08190 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 11:57:35 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA22353; Mon, 10 May 93 11:58:42 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: the(mc)DATman Date: Mon, 10 May 93 11:58:41 CDT In-Reply-To: <199305101605.AA00697@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 10, 93 10:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: John Richey > >Re: Synths > As you all probably know by now that Synclavier has been out of business. > Therefore, anyone owning a Synclavier has had much difficulty in keeping product support > lines open with New England Digital. "Much difficulty"? Try "complete and total failure"! I own and use one myself, and NED's fall-down-go-boom act has been extremely disconcerting. At about the time they did this, I was wanting to upgrade my unit to a larger amount of voices and add the MIDI matrix, but now, if I want to do this, I have to find a Synclavier II system equipped thusly and cannibalize it, because there's no hardware (or software) support from NED anymore. > > Anything else to report? > > I have been to Matten & Wiechers in Bonn and in Muenchen. This is a fantastic shop > which caters to bands like KW. When I was in Muenchen in 1986, I was at M&W when > Florian came to the shop an hour after I had been there, he went to see the film Peter Pan > with the proprietor of the shop there, his name I have forgotten right now, but he is > very interesting and knowledgeable. > > I will post the address in the coming weeks and the name for contacting Matten & > Wiechers Synthesizer Studio Bonn. However, one can get it from Information (Auskunft) > just by calling the AT&T ops here, but they charge you $3.00, a rip off. I'd appreciate it. There's a shop out in LA called Euro-stuff which carries lines by such familiar KW names as Friend Chip and so forth, but being able to access Matten and Wiechers would be nice. D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From kraftwerk-request Thu May 6 09:31:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01595 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 14:17:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101917.AA01595@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01562 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 14:17:45 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA09303; Mon, 10 May 93 11:52:32 -0700 for Received: from [17.95.4.19] by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA08877; Mon, 10 May 93 11:52:03 PDT for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.769487; Mon, 10 May 1993 13:51:49 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Thu, 06 May 1993 14:31:47 EST Subject: Re: concert date in Osnabruec Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Sorry -- haven't a clue. On a similar subject: Go to the local record/video shop and pick up the video "Stop Sellafield: The Concert". Featuring US, Public Enemy, B.A.D.II and Kraftwerk! They do a couple of songs: Radioactivity (Mix version) and Robots (Mix version). It's a Greenpeace product, and it's very informative about the Sellafield Nuclear Power Station in Ireland(?). Get it! Its good! Some proceeds go to Greenpeace.. Bruce Lloyd From kraftwerk-request Sun May 9 22:12:45 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03476 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 14:30:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199305101930.AA03476@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03428 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 14:30:17 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA10222; Mon, 10 May 93 12:05:38 -0700 for Received: from [17.95.4.19] by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA09473; Mon, 10 May 93 12:04:57 PDT for Kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.779752; Mon, 10 May 1993 14:04:49 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 03:12:45 EST Subject: 808 State & The Like Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu All, Has anyone heard the latest 808 State single, "1 in 10"? Hear the rhythm line? Does "The Model" come to mind? I also have a 12-inch single of "Das Model" by a German DJ and is quite funky. Picked it up here in Canada at a import record shop. Very dancy. On the cover is a black & white photo of a woman walking. That's it. Two versions of the song, a 7" single and a extended remix. The third song is called "Dance Robots". A bad attempt at a Kraftwerk take-off. I scope out my collection of Kraftwerk newspaper clippings (of which I have about 5) and post them. One of them is fairly amusing review of Electric Cafe.. bml "I program my home computer. Beat myself into the furniture." From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 12:04:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12109 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 15:22:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199305102022.AA12109@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12094 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 15:22:53 -0500 Received: from unixd1.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA19428 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 16:22:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 16:04:00 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: 808 State & The Like In-Reply-To: <199305101930.AA03476@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Mon, 10 May 1993, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Has anyone heard the latest 808 State single, "1 in 10"? Hear the rhythm > line? Does "The Model" come to mind? > I have the tape, but I never thought about "The Model"... > I also have a 12-inch single of "Das Model" by a German DJ and is quite > funky. Picked it up here in Canada at a import record shop. Very dancy. > On the cover is a black & white photo of a woman walking. That's it. Two > versions of the song, a 7" single and a extended remix. The third song is > called "Dance Robots". A bad attempt at a Kraftwerk take-off. > I have this on tape. It is a Razormaid dub. I thought it was cool the first few times I heard it, but it's doesn't do what it's trying to do (and it's a little tedious). I think it is an attempt to bring the KW sound into mainstream techno, which is sort of silly IMHO, because KW _is_ in mainstrean techno (whether we know it or not). It's called "Das Model" but it mixes between "Das Model" and some other tracks which I cannot think of now. > I scope out my collection of Kraftwerk newspaper clippings (of which I have > about 5) and post them. One of them is fairly amusing review of Electric > Cafe.. > These kind of reviews are all over US zines. Not that I've read (or even found!) too many reviews, I haven't seen a favorable review. > bml > "I program my home computer. Beat myself into the furniture." > > Ravi From kraftwerk-request Mon May 10 07:45:43 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25403 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 10 May 1993 16:48:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199305102148.AA25403@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25386 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 10 May 1993 16:48:17 -0500 Received: by orion.oac.uci.edu id AA04739 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk mailing list ); Mon, 10 May 1993 14:48:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 14:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: 808 State & The Like In-Reply-To: <199305101930.AA03476@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I seriously think that "One in Ten" is not a Kraftwerk immitation. Perahps the rythym is, but the song was originally writen by UB40 a long time ago and now the two bands have decided to re-edit and re-release that single. Have you ever thought that there might be other bands out there besides KW? Give it a try. JCK From kraftwerk-request Tue May 11 11:57:51 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00737 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 11 May 1993 21:06:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199305120206.AA00737@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00712 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 11 May 1993 21:06:12 -0500 Received: by orion.oac.uci.edu id AA23695 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Tue, 11 May 1993 19:06:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 18:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Radioactivity remix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu If anyone has the U.S. 12" single of Radioactivity (from "The Mix"), I'd like to get the "Hard Core Mix" by William Orbit. I'd be willing to send a tape to anyone who might be able to tape it for me, along with a stamped return envlope, too. I once had this single, but the record had a huge scratch on it so, I'm still on the look out for it. I'd also be willing to tape any of my Kraftwerk stuff for who ever can do this for me. Thanks, Jonathan From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 01:02:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26563 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 00:07:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199305120507.AA26563@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26517 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 00:07:10 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA28937; Tue, 11 May 93 22:03:28 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA27920; Tue, 11 May 93 22:02:58 PDT for eapu138@orion.oac.uci.edi Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.788728; Wed, 12 May 1993 00:02:43 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 06:02:33 EST Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I have it on CD. If you'd like, you can call me at +1 (416) 297 1742 and I'll give you my address, etc.. Bruce From kraftwerk-request Sun May 12 11:54:11 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA15798 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 02:54:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199305120754.AA15798@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA15764 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 02:54:37 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GY30UV3C1S8WW4GQ@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 12 May 1993 09:54:11 +0200 Date: 12 May 1993 09:54:11 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Jonathan Komar > > If anyone has the U.S. 12" single of Radioactivity (from "The Mix"), I'd > like to get the "Hard Core Mix" by William Orbit. > Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com > > I have it on CD. I didn't even know it had been released on CD single. Correct me if I'm wrong: As far as I know, from "The Mix", there were the following US releases: (1) The Robots (12", Digipack CD single, promo CD single) (2) Radioactivity (12") If there's a CD release of (2), please send details (tracks, cat.no., etc). Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 11:54:23 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29541 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 04:54:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199305120954.AA29541@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from chalmers.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29528 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 04:54:33 -0500 Received: from quarl0.etek.chalmers.se by chalmers.se (5.60+IDA/3.14+gl) id AA12684; Wed, 12 May 93 11:54:31 +0200 Received: from kajsa10 by quarl0.etek.chalmers.se (6.14 (VSB)/3.14+gl) id AA02526; Wed, 12 May 93 11:54:29 +0200 Received: from localhost by kajsa10 (6.14 (VSB)/3.14+gl) id AA08067; Wed, 12 May 93 11:54:26 +0200 Subject: KW on compilation (cd) Date: Wed, 12 May 93 11:54:23 -0000 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Mts: smtp Status: O Really-From: jorbor@etek.chalmers.se Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I don't no if this is very interesting but The Model is one of the songs on "New Romantic Classics" (Virgin). As it seems it's just the album version so no need to get this record just because it's KW. Other artists (like Soft Cell, Visage, etc.) make this record worth buying though... Jorgen Borjesson E-mail:jorbor@etek.chalmers.se "Music is organized noise" Ralf Huetter From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 09:16:09 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA17084 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 08:30:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121330.AA17084@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA17027 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 08:30:06 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA11820; Wed, 12 May 93 06:19:12 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA03342; Wed, 12 May 93 06:18:43 PDT for pepe@ctivax.uab.es Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.789539; Wed, 12 May 1993 08:18:29 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 14:16:09 EST Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Here is the CD info that you asked for! Tracks: (1) Radioactivity - Francois Kevorkian 7" Remix (2) Radioactivity - Francois Kevorkian 12" Remix (3) Radioactivity - William Orbit 12" Remix (c) 1991 EMI Records CDEM 201 I bought it at a record shop here in Canada, and it wasn't an import. It was quite domestic. Paid I think 8$ CDN for it. If anyone would like a duplicate of the any track on this CD, please e-mail me.. Bruce "Radioactivity is in my hair for my vanity" From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 09:26:01 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA17597 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 08:33:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121333.AA17597@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA17580 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 08:33:47 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA12205; Wed, 12 May 93 06:29:22 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA03518; Wed, 12 May 93 06:28:51 PDT for pepe@ctivax.uab.es Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.789570; Wed, 12 May 1993 08:28:37 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 14:26:01 EST Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu You'll have to excuse me, I am brand-spanking new to Internetting.. Anyway .. here is the info your looking for on the Radioactivyt 12" cd (well -- it's not really 12 inches! more like 5!) Number of Tracks: 3, all the same as the vinyl 12" version (which I have too). The CDs catalogue number is: CDEM 201. Its put out by EMI Records. I'm pretty sure it's an import. Usually imports have no manufacuturing info on them. And this one is the same. Plus I paid 12$CDN for it.. I was among the first people in the city of Toronto to buy the Mix album...I have one that has a sticker on it!! bml "Radioactivity is in my hair for my vanity.." Bruce Hutter.. From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 09:45:11 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28316 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 09:45:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121445.AA28316@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from daimi.aau.dk by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28215 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 09:45:11 -0500 Received: from grenoble.daimi.aau.dk (rouen.daimi.aau.dk) by daimi.aau.dk with SMTP id AA16233 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 16:44:49 +0200 Received: by grenoble.daimi.aau.dk (5.64/1.34) id AA26825; Wed, 12 May 93 16:44:44 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix Date: Wed, 12 May 93 16:44:42 METDST In-Reply-To: <199305121333.AA17597@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 12, 93 2:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: bouvin@daimi.aau.dk Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Speaking of the Radioactivity remix, am I the only one to think that it is awful? The Robots remix is by far better, and more like the `original' from The Mix. At least they don't carry any mutilation like the Ra-Ra-Radioactivity sample (it's been some time since I heard it last, but one of the versions most definitely `scratches' the word radioactivity). OK, I'm over-reacting --- but I was very disappointed when I heard it first time (the record was hard to find). By the way: Kraftwerk in Saga, Copenhagen 1991 was superb! Best Regards! +------------------------------------------------------------+ | It was a large room | /=====\ | Full of people | |____ | | And they were all free | 00 @\| | And they were all asking themselves the same question: | /_ | | "What is behind that curtain?" Laurie Anderson | |_____| +------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Niels Olof Bouvin, Aarhus Universitet, Denmark | +-----+ +-----+ | bouvin@daimi.aau.dk | | NoB | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 07:32:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06215 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:36:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121536.AA06215@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06179 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:35:59 -0500 Received: from unixd1.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA00163 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 11:35:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 11:32:30 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix In-Reply-To: <199305121330.AA17084@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I too bought the CD single when it first appeared in the stores some time ago. So, is there a different remix released on vinyl called the William Orbit Industrial Mix or something similar? As Bruce noted, the CD single has the Willaim Orbit 12" Mix. Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu "Diese Ansluss ist veruebergehend night erichbar" From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 06:39:51 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06321 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:37:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121537.AA06321@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06294 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:37:01 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65/ECH1.13) id AA12667; Wed, 12 May 93 11:36:57 EDT Posted-Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 11:39:51 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Wed, 12 May 1993 11:39:51 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 11:39:51 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: RE>Re: Radioactivity remix Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Speaking of the Radioactivity remix, am I the only one to think that it is awful? well, it does fall back on cliche techno lines, but i liked the beginning. (" ra-ra-radioactivity..."). I guess because that remix was basically someone sitting down and making his own track, so I wasn't hung up on "oh, that's not like the original." I had less difficulty accepting the rapid triggering and frequency modulation of that sample than the addition of the word "stop-" before the word "radioactivity" in all the '92 remixes. I thought it took away all the synicism from the original's lyrics -- it's now too in your face "oh, radioactivity is bad" -- not allowing for much else. Part of this has to do with the fact that techno is gluttonous in its approach to technology, whereas mid-70's Kraftwerk seems more about romanticizing a hopeless resignation to industrialization. > OK, I'm over-reacting --- but I was very disappointed when I heard it first time (the record was hard to find). For those of us who don't see a continuity between the 70's "techno-pop" scene and today's "techno" scene, remixes can be brutal ;) From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 07:37:57 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07358 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:44:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121544.AA07358@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07271 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:43:32 -0500 Received: from unixd1.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA00272 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 11:43:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 11:37:57 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix In-Reply-To: <199305121445.AA28316@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Speaking of the Radioactivity remix, am I the only one to think that it is > awful? I think it's pretty good. Very up-to-date (at the time) sound. Very industrial/techno. I have to admit that it's lost it's lustre over the two years I've had it, but then again everything else I used to listen two years ago has... Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 07:32:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06215 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:36:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121536.AA06215@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06179 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:35:59 -0500 Received: from unixd1.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA00163 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 11:35:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 11:32:30 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix In-Reply-To: <199305121330.AA17084@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I too bought the CD single when it first appeared in the stores some time ago. So, is there a different remix released on vinyl called the William Orbit Industrial Mix or something similar? As Bruce noted, the CD single has the Willaim Orbit 12" Mix. Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu "Diese Ansluss ist veruebergehend night erichbar" From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 03:59:27 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01273 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:59:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121559.AA01273@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from triton.unm.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01259 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:59:29 -0500 Received: by triton.unm.edu (5.65/0.1) id ; Wed, 12 May 1993 09:59:27 -0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix Date: Wed, 12 May 93 9:59:27 MDT X-Old-Cc: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu In-Reply-To: <199305121536.AA06215@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 12, 93 11:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL8] Status: O Really-From: Lazlo Nibble Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > So, is there a different remix released on vinyl called the William > Orbit Industrial Mix or something similar? As Bruce noted, the CD single > has the Willaim Orbit 12" Mix. The US 12" has the William Orbit Hardcore Mix as well as his 12" mix. As far as I know that's the only place it turns up -- it's not on the UK or German CD5s. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) "BrrrrrrrrmTHWAMWAMWAMWAMWAMbzzzzzzzzzzzz." -- Tack>>head From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 07:37:57 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07358 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:44:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121544.AA07358@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07271 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:43:32 -0500 Received: from unixd1.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA00272 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 11:43:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 11:37:57 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix In-Reply-To: <199305121445.AA28316@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Speaking of the Radioactivity remix, am I the only one to think that it is > awful? I think it's pretty good. Very up-to-date (at the time) sound. Very industrial/techno. I have to admit that it's lost it's lustre over the two years I've had it, but then again everything else I used to listen two years ago has... Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 06:39:51 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06321 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:37:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121537.AA06321@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06294 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 10:37:01 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65/ECH1.13) id AA12667; Wed, 12 May 93 11:36:57 EDT Posted-Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 11:39:51 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Wed, 12 May 1993 11:39:51 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 11:39:51 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: RE>Re: Radioactivity remix Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Speaking of the Radioactivity remix, am I the only one to think that it is awful? well, it does fall back on cliche techno lines, but i liked the beginning. (" ra-ra-radioactivity..."). I guess because that remix was basically someone sitting down and making his own track, so I wasn't hung up on "oh, that's not like the original." I had less difficulty accepting the rapid triggering and frequency modulation of that sample than the addition of the word "stop-" before the word "radioactivity" in all the '92 remixes. I thought it took away all the synicism from the original's lyrics -- it's now too in your face "oh, radioactivity is bad" -- not allowing for much else. Part of this has to do with the fact that techno is gluttonous in its approach to technology, whereas mid-70's Kraftwerk seems more about romanticizing a hopeless resignation to industrialization. > OK, I'm over-reacting --- but I was very disappointed when I heard it first time (the record was hard to find). For those of us who don't see a continuity between the 70's "techno-pop" scene and today's "techno" scene, remixes can be brutal ;) From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 07:27:04 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11972 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 12:27:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199305121727.AA11972@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11957 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Wed, 12 May 1993 12:27:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 12:27:04 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Hiccup Status: O Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Sorry about the duplicated mail, cs.uwp.edu went down. From kraftwerk-request Wed May 12 07:57:26 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20060 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 12 May 1993 17:00:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199305122200.AA20060@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20044 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 12 May 1993 16:59:56 -0500 Received: by orion.oac.uci.edu id AA05368 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk mailing list ); Wed, 12 May 1993 14:59:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 14:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix In-Reply-To: <199305120754.AA15798@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On 12 May 1993, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > Really-From: Jose Garcia > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > > Really-From: Jonathan Komar > > > > If anyone has the U.S. 12" single of Radioactivity (from "The Mix"), I'd > > like to get the "Hard Core Mix" by William Orbit. > > > Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com > > > > I have it on CD. > > I didn't even know it had been released on CD single. Correct me if I'm wrong: > > As far as I know, from "The Mix", there were the following US releases: > > (1) The Robots (12", Digipack CD single, promo CD single) > (2) Radioactivity (12") > > If there's a CD release of (2), please send details (tracks, cat.no., etc). > > > Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es I have the import U.K. Cd single of Radioactivity and it has on it the William Orbit 12" remix, which is great, but the U.S. 12" has two William Orbit remixes, one of which is called "The hardcore Mix". The other two remixes on the CD single are a 7" and 12" done by Francios Kevorkian, I like them, too. Jonathan Komar From kraftwerk-request Mon May 13 17:24:32 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14756 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 13 May 1993 08:27:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199305131327.AA14756@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14729 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 13 May 1993 08:27:38 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GY4Q84UT408WWBK2@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 13 May 1993 15:24:32 +0200 Date: 13 May 1993 15:24:32 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Radioactivity remix Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Jonathan Komar > > ... the U.S. 12" has two William > Orbit remixes, one of which is called "The hardcore Mix". Yes, and I think it's the only place you can find it. "Radioactivity" was released on CD single in UK and Germany only. So to have this remix, you have to get the US 12", on vynil. > Really-From: bouvin@daimi.aau.dk > > Speaking of the Radioactivity remix, am I the only one to think that it is > awful? Maybe. In a poll that we had some time ago, "Radioactivity" won by far the competition of "Best mix from _The_Mix_". Then came "The robots". > By the way: Kraftwerk in Saga, Copenhagen 1991 was superb! There's a bootleg Pic Disc of this show, with good sound quality. Jose Garcia "I program my home computer, beam myself into the future" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri May 14 13:36:49 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22342 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 14 May 1993 04:37:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199305140937.AA22342@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from mail.lth.se (nic.lth.se) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22325 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 14 May 1993 04:37:00 -0500 Received: from ludat.lth.se by mail.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0ntwCB-000MTzC; Fri, 14 May 93 11:36 MET DST Received: by ludat.lth.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/LUDAT-4-NS); Fri, 14 May 93 11:36:49 +0200 (MET) Date: Fri, 14 May 93 11:36:49 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Elektric Music "Esperanto" X-Old-Cc: dat91oto@ludat.lth.se Status: O Really-From: Ola Torstensson Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Look what *I've* got! :-) Elektric Music: Esperanto album [may 1993] CD: 1993 GE (SPV Records CD 084-92892) (*) MC: 1993 GE (SPV Records MC 008-92834) 5:44 TV 3:20 Show Business 4:43 Kissing The Machine 4:46 Lifestyle 5:52 Crosstalk 8:35 Information 4:41 Esperanto 5:23 Overdrive (*) On the actual disc, it says "CD 084-92832", but the above number is used everywhere else. ^ I won't try to review it, as I'm a lousy writer, but I'll make a few remarks. As you can tell from its length, this is not the same version of "TV" as on the CD single. It's mostly the same, but after about 3:30 it heads off into an instrumental playout (with more samples); and then it ends just like the single version (except I think the samples are for some reason a little noisier, and we get four more "Auf wiedersehen"'s (sp?)). I haven't got the "Crosstalk" single, so I have no idea if it's a new version or not. All the four last tracks make use of the speech synthesizer that they also used on "Television" (the B-side for "TV"). A couple of tracks ("Lifestyle" and "Esperanto", if I remember correctly) use some voice samples that have been heavily, er, cut and pasted - a little bit like the "Chernobyl/Harrisburg/ Sellafield/Hiroshima" bit on "Radioactivity", except it's done, as I said, with real voices, and the resulting sounds don't seem to mean anything. Andy McCluskey (of OMD) has co-written "Show Business" and "Kissing the Machine", and also sings on the latter. The other songs were all written by Karl Bartos, some co-written by Manteuffel (anyone know his first name?) and/or Emil Schult. Schult also did the artwork for this record. The songs are, thankfully, not all identical. Some of it sounds like mid-80s synth-based pop (at least to me it does), while "Information" and "Overdrive" verge toward techno territory. It still doesn't sound like several different bands, though - they've managed to find a certain style of their own that's pretty consistent. None of it *really* sounds like Kraftwerk, except all those typical KW noises on "TV". I like it - a lot! If you liked the singles, you probably will too. Recommended. Ola Ola Torstensson \ "I must warn the reader to discount much of dat91oto@ludat.lth.se \ what I say as the ravings of a fanatic who Undergraduate, Dept of Computer \ thinks he has just seen a great light." Science, Lund University, Sweden \ -- Donald E. Knuth From kraftwerk-request Tue May 14 14:05:54 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18936 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 14 May 1993 06:45:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199305141145.AA18936@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18920 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 14 May 1993 06:45:39 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GY5Y246IJ48WWECI@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 14 May 1993 12:05:54 +0200 Date: 14 May 1993 12:05:54 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Elektric Music "Esperanto" Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Ola Torstensson > > Look what *I've* got! :-) > > Elektric Music: Esperanto album [may 1993] Hey, that's been released sooner than some people expected! Good news! I hope it encourages KRAFTWERK to release some *new* material. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri May 14 20:13:54 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20760 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 14 May 1993 13:40:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199305141840.AA20760@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20738 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 14 May 1993 13:40:16 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net(EUnetD-2.2.5.e) via EUnet id UA27171; Fri, 14 May 1993 20:38:58 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Anybody need tickets for 27 May? Date: Fri, 14 May 1993 18:13:54 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: O Really-From: Michael D. Lyons Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi all, I have two extra tickets for the Kraftwerk concert on May 27th in Osnabrueck, Germany that I'd like to sell. I think (I don't have them here) they cost me about 45 Marks apiece, and am willing to sell them at cost to whoever needs them. You can reach me via e-mail, of course, or with the telephone number listed in the box below from approx. 8 - 17 hrs. German time. Peace, Mike -- ================================================================================ | Michael D. Lyons | Telefon: +49 911 996750 | EMail: mdl@BinTec.DE | | BinTec Computersysteme | Telefax: +49 911 6880725 | | | Willstaetter Strasse 30 / D-8500 Nuernberg 60 / GERMANY | ================================================================================ From kraftwerk-request Sat May 15 11:08:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09514 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 15 May 1993 02:08:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199305150708.AA09514@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from mail.lth.se (nic.lth.se) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09503 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 15 May 1993 02:08:37 -0500 Received: from ludat.lth.se by mail.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0nuGME-000MUJC; Sat, 15 May 93 09:08 MET DST Received: by ludat.lth.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/LUDAT-4-NS); Sat, 15 May 93 09:08:33 +0200 (MET) Date: Sat, 15 May 93 09:08:33 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Elektric Music "Esperanto" X-Old-Cc: dat91oto@ludat.lth.se Status: O Really-From: Ola Torstensson Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I made a silly mistake in my comments on the new Elektric Music album, "Esperanto". I wrote: >A couple of tracks ("Lifestyle" >and "Esperanto", if I remember correctly) use some voice samples that have >been heavily, er, cut and pasted - a little bit like the >"Chernobyl/Harrisburg/Sellafield/Hiroshima" bit on "Radioactivity", except >it's done, as I said, with real voices, and the resulting sounds don't seem >to mean anything. The chorus on "Esperanto" is not meaningless, but appears to be in Esperanto, actually (it sounds roughly like "Esperanto musico, la linguo futuro"), which any fool should have been able to guess right away (but then again, I'm not a fool :-). This means that Karl Bartos is continuing, at least to a small extent, the great Kraftwerk tradition of singing in different languages. Ola Ola Torstensson \ "I must warn the reader to discount much of dat91oto@ludat.lth.se \ what I say as the ravings of a fanatic who Undergraduate, Dept of Computer \ thinks he has just seen a great light." Science, Lund University, Sweden \ -- Donald E. Knuth From kraftwerk-request Mon May 17 10:08:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13403 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 17 May 1993 03:09:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199305170809.AA13403@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13388 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 17 May 1993 03:08:56 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYA0S0NM408ZDYMX@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 17 May 1993 10:08:47 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 10:08:47 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Elektric Music "Esperanto" Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Ola Torstensson > > The chorus on "Esperanto" is not meaningless, but appears to be in Esperanto, > actually (it sounds roughly like "Esperanto musico, la linguo futuro"), which > any fool should have been able to guess right away (but then again, I'm not a > fool :-). This line "Esperanto musico, la linguo futuro" is quite near to Italian and Spanish. It means sth like "Esperanto music, the future language", I guess :) Anyone else has got this album? I haven't got it :( What's your opinion? Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon May 17 08:15:42 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21952 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 17 May 1993 07:22:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199305171222.AA21952@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21924 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 17 May 1993 07:22:08 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA25899; Mon, 17 May 93 05:18:42 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA16011; Mon, 17 May 93 05:18:15 PDT for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.806904; Mon, 17 May 1993 07:18:00 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 13:15:42 EST Subject: Band Members.. Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu All, We know what happened to Ralf, Florian, and Karl, but what happened to Wolfgang Flur? I heard somehwere that he died, but, I think someone here said it wasn't true. Is he helping Karl on the new album? If indeed he DID die :( how? Bruce From kraftwerk-request Mon May 17 16:13:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02420 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 17 May 1993 09:14:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199305171414.AA02420@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02392 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 17 May 1993 09:13:56 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYADL3TSJK8ZDZ1Q@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 17 May 1993 16:13:47 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 16:13:47 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Band Members.. Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com > > We know what happened to Ralf, Florian, and Karl, but what happened to > Wolfgang Flur? As far as I know, his death was a false rumour. Don't know though what happened to him. Anybody? Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon May 17 10:20:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12022 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 17 May 1993 14:18:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199305171918.AA12022@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA11978 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 17 May 1993 14:18:04 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA22611; Mon, 17 May 1993 15:17:54 -0400 Posted-Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 15:20:47 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00008; Mon, 17 May 1993 15:20:47 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 15:20:47 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Irma Records bassler , Billy Brown , ckee , Diane , Jason Keeler , Paul Kocher , Kraftwerk , Orb list , Tony Locke , MikaelVick Lundgren , Mike Lyons , John Neilson , nineball , Scott O'Hare , JerryA Pipes , Todd Sines , Chris Tector , HendrikJan Veenstra , Winston Worrell , John Young Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi, I am wondering if anyone out there has had experience working with Irma Records (in particular, the NY office). I've spun their records for years and now someone I know wants to try to hook me up with them to release some of my tracks. Any good or bad production experiences out there? I consider the label to be dying musically, although taking off commercially, and my TV Guide horoscope said to be wary of signing contracts (I swear, check out Leo for May 15-22!). TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU (-) >-( )-< "GLOBULE" o-o -Haruomi Hosono From kraftwerk-request Mon May 17 18:59:44 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA15427 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 17 May 1993 14:43:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199305171943.AA15427@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA15392 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 17 May 1993 14:42:54 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYAJDUZQYO8ZDWDB@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 17 May 1993 18:59:44 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 18:59:44 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Digests ??? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu What's happening with the digests? Are they being sent? I'm not suposed to get them, but from time to time I get them from FTP.UWP.EDU, and the last one there is 1.78, which is a bit old. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon May 17 14:40:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20630 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 17 May 1993 19:40:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199305180040.AA20630@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20618 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Mon, 17 May 1993 19:40:00 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Date: Mon, 17 May 1993 19:40:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) "Digests ???" (May 17, 6:59pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) Subject: Re: Digests ??? Status: O Really-From: datta (David Datta) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I just fixed it. -- - Dave Datta@cs.uwp.edu: "I speak for myself, not my employer....." Apple Corporation's idea of Higher Education sales support: You need our price lists? Pay us $144/year and you can download it from Applelink. Oh, by the way, Apple dealers void their contract if they sell to you. Apple, rotten to the corp. From kraftwerk-request Tue May 18 05:02:41 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA10476 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 18 May 1993 05:02:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199305181002.AA10476@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from motgate.mot.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA10433 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 18 May 1993 05:02:41 -0500 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.14 for ) id AA09717; Tue, 18 May 1993 05:02:39 -0500 Received: from comm.mot.com (il02dns1.comm.mot.com) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.14 for ) id AA18367; Tue, 18 May 1993 05:02:38 -0500 Received: from dub-tse (dub-tsw1.comm.mot.com) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA03102; Tue, 18 May 93 05:05:26 CDT Received: by dub-tse (16.6/16.2) id AA04264; Tue, 18 May 93 10:58:18 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: KW and Sellafield Date: Tue, 18 May 93 10:58:17 BST In-Reply-To: <199305180026.AA18813@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" at May 17, 93 7:26 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: Peter Cassidy Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > On a similar subject: > > Go to the local record/video shop and pick up the video "Stop Sellafield: > The Concert". Featuring US, Public Enemy, B.A.D.II and Kraftwerk! They do > a couple of songs: Radioactivity (Mix version) and Robots (Mix version). > It's a Greenpeace product, and it's very informative about the Sellafield > Nuclear Power Station in Ireland(?). Get it! Its good! > > Some proceeds go to Greenpeace.. > > Bruce Lloyd > Gotta answer this 8-) : Sellafield Nuke Station is NOT in Ireland. Ireland is nuclear-free. However, I am in Ireland & Sellafield is 40 miles away in Wales. This is not right. Shut Sellafield ! -- Regards, Peter (Sorry if this is a bit off topic) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | M O T O R O L A B . V . I R E L A N D | | ----------------------------------------- | | Peter Cassidy - T.S.E Dublin | Phone : 353-1-840-8866 Ext. 417 | | MACCVM : C10404 | X400 : peterc@comm.mot.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From kraftwerk-request Tue May 18 07:51:31 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11158 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 18 May 1993 06:58:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199305181158.AA11158@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA11127 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 18 May 1993 06:58:25 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA08686; Tue, 18 May 93 04:54:55 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA16238; Tue, 18 May 93 04:54:25 PDT for peterc@comm.mot.com Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.811718; Tue, 18 May 1993 06:54:11 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 12:51:31 EST Subject: Re: KW and Sellafield Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I apologise for my ignorance. I wasn't familiar with the location of Sellafield. I've been set straight! Bruce From kraftwerk-request Mon May 17 22:39:42 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA15389 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 18 May 1993 07:39:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199305181239.AA15389@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from enet-gw.pa.dec.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA15371 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 18 May 1993 07:39:46 -0500 Received: by enet-gw.pa.dec.com; id AA07841; Tue, 18 May 93 05:39:41 -0700 Received: from krakar.enet; by decwrl.enet; Tue, 18 May 93 05:39:42 PDT Date: Tue, 18 May 93 05:39:42 PDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Apparently-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Miscellaneous Status: O Really-From: Trevor Warwick (dtn: 830-4432) 18-May-1993 1310 Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I've recently subscribed to the list, and I thought I'd briefly introduce myself. I've liked Kraftwerk since I first heard them in my early teenage years, around the time that Trans-Europe Express came out. I can still remember a quote from the album review in Melody Maker which said something like "Florian and the boys have learnt how to make train noises on their multifarious synths". A superficially accurate comment I suppose. I've seen them live twice. First time was at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1981, and second in 1991 at the Brixton Academy. I have to say I didn't enjoy the Brixton show as much, as it didn't really seem like the band were enjoying it. It was a lot more automated, and to some extent I think they might just as well have bunged the CD of "The Mix" on and saved themselves the hassle of standing up there. I read an interview with Ralf Hutter around the time of "The Mix" in which he said that he always went into the studio and worked every day. I found this surprising because of the incredibly slow rate at which they used to release new material. I personally don't think we'll ever see any new Kraftwerk albums, apart from perhaps another "Mix". And finally. Is the Neon Lights 12" single on luminous green vinyl worth anything (not that I'm selling it) ? ---- Trevor Warwick, (warwick@marvin.enet.dec.com) Internetworking Products Engineering Group, Digital Equipment Corporation, Reading, England. From kraftwerk-request Tue May 18 08:04:41 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18088 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 18 May 1993 08:04:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199305181304.AA18088@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from motgate.mot.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18052 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 18 May 1993 08:04:41 -0500 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.14 for ) id AA12898; Tue, 18 May 1993 08:04:39 -0500 Received: from comm.mot.com (il02dns1.comm.mot.com) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.14 for ) id AA24660; Tue, 18 May 1993 08:04:38 -0500 Received: from dub-tse (dub-tsw1.comm.mot.com) by comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA12404; Tue, 18 May 93 08:07:27 CDT Received: by dub-tse (16.6/16.2) id AA05656; Tue, 18 May 93 14:00:18 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: KW and Sellafield Date: Tue, 18 May 93 14:00:17 BST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: Peter Cassidy Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > I apologise for my ignorance. I wasn't familiar with the location of > Sellafield. I've been set straight! > > Bruce > My apologies for being so emotional about the subject. It is a continual threat to us living in Dublin, even though it is in a different country !! So, in Ireland, it's a hot issue !! -- Regards, Peter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | M O T O R O L A B . V . I R E L A N D | | ----------------------------------------- | | Peter Cassidy - T.S.E Dublin | Phone : 353-1-840-8866 Ext. 417 | | MACCVM : C10404 | X400 : peterc@comm.mot.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From kraftwerk-request Tue May 18 16:00:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24407 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 18 May 1993 09:00:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199305181400.AA24407@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24349 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 18 May 1993 09:00:34 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYBR0DSYK08ZDZJU@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 18 May 1993 16:00:34 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 16:00:33 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: The MAN-MACHINE Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu _The_Man_Machine_ has been re-released on CD in the US. Its main interest is in the new artwork it has (as I assume all of you have this album already :) The front cover is a close-up picture of the 4 KW members, and gives the CD a totally different look. If I'm not wrong, this pic. is from the original inner sleeve of the LP. The back cover shows the picture that is on the other side of the inner sleeve of the LP, the 4 members looking sideways. The colour is slightly different. When you open the CD case, you see a picture of the 4 _man_machine_ dummies wearing red shirts and black ties, which is on the back of the CD insert. The gatefold insert shows inside a KW history. The CD itself is a picture CD, showing the dummies, but in b&w. I quite like this release, just for the packaging. Now, I have 6 different releases of the album!!! Jose Garcia It's a re-release and looks good pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Sat May 18 18:31:54 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28358 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 18 May 1993 09:33:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199305181433.AA28358@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28308 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 18 May 1993 09:32:47 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYBSCK9YM88WWSJF@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 18 May 1993 16:31:54 +0200 Date: 18 May 1993 16:31:54 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: KW mailing list meeting Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu There's some people going to at least one of the 3 KW shows next week. It will be sort of a meeting for people from the list. Let's see. As far as I know, there will be: Lutz Hillebrand Albert Peter myself :) and more people, I'm sure. What a pity we cannot meet all :( Jose Garcia "Rendezvous on the KW show." pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Sat May 18 19:38:50 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08049 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 18 May 1993 10:41:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199305181541.AA08049@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07881 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 18 May 1993 10:39:31 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYBUESNWV48WWMTR@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 18 May 1993 17:38:50 +0200 Date: 18 May 1993 17:38:50 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Trevor Warwick (dtn: 830-4432) 18-May-1993 1310 > I've seen them live twice. First time was at the Hammersmith Odeon in 1981, > and second in 1991 at the Brixton Academy. I have to say I didn't enjoy the > Brixton show as much, as it didn't really seem like the band were enjoying it. Very lucky you are! I've only seem them in '91, and a lot of people have never seen them. > It was a lot more automated, and to some extent I think they might just as > well have bunged the CD of "The Mix" on and saved themselves the hassle of > standing up there. Well. My experience was quite different. The concert WAS very automated but great. They enjoyed and we enjoyed. It's difficult to get into "The Mix" if you've known their music for so many years. It was difficult for me to get into it, but now I like it. Has some excellent versions. It's KW in the digital domain. > I personally don't think we'll ever see any new Kraftwerk > albums, apart from perhaps another "Mix". I don't think so, and I hope I'm right. With Elektric Music, KW might be encouraged to do new stuff. > And finally. Is the Neon Lights 12" single on luminous green vinyl worth > anything (not that I'm selling it) ? Yes. Keep it in a safety place :) I've seen this item in Record Collector for about 25 UK pounds! Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 00:19:29 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18578 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 18 May 1993 15:20:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199305182020.AA18578@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sally.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18533 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 18 May 1993 15:20:08 -0500 Received: from hathi (hathi.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/sally-1) id AA13864; Tue, 18 May 93 22:19:28 +0200 Received: by hathi (4.1/POOL.3) id AA05891; Tue, 18 May 93 22:19:31 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: KW mailing list meeting Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 22:19:29 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199305181433.AA28358@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 18, 93 04:31:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > There's some people going to at least one of the 3 KW shows next week. > It will be sort of a meeting for people from the list. > Let's see. As far as I know, there will be: > > Lutz > Hillebrand > Albert > Peter > myself :) > > and more people, I'm sure. > What a pity we cannot meet all :( Well, for the Osnabrueck Show: Why don`t we meet at 19:00h at the ticket Office of the `Stadthalle` ? Are KW going to play new Material ? What do you think ? I am pessimistic.. ;( > Jose Garcia "Rendezvous on the KW show." > pepe@ctivax.uab.es "Es wird immer weitergeh`n, Musik als Traeger von Ideen" -- Lutz From kraftwerk-request Tue May 18 07:13:31 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26131 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 18 May 1993 16:13:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199305182113.AA26131@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26118 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 18 May 1993 16:13:35 -0500 Received: by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65b/7.1ju) id AA26253; Tue, 18 May 93 14:13:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 May 93 14:13:31 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Return-Path: Subject: Elektric Music Status: O Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu So, the credits on the new Elektric Music album don't list "Bell/Varley" for the song "Information"? I'm sure I'll find the CD sooner ora later but I'm really anxious to hear some news about LFO! Bell and Varley are the two people in LFO. They've been saying for over a year that they are collaborating with Elektric Music on a single called "Information", including a 5-second remix that they want to license to a cable TV news station to use for a "tag." (Maybe that part was just idle speculation, though.) P.S. about "1 in 10" by 808 State/UB40: The bass line is definitely identicalto a melody line in The Model, no doubt about it. This kind of thing happens from time to time in pop music. I remember when New Order were rumored to be suing Depeche Mode because "People Are People" has the same hook as "Confusion". Nothing ever came of it though. -Richard From kraftwerk-request Tue May 18 07:41:49 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01248 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 18 May 1993 16:48:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199305182148.AA01248@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01237 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 18 May 1993 16:48:20 -0500 Received: by orion.oac.uci.edu id AA10592 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Tue, 18 May 1993 14:48:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 14:41:49 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Remixes with KW inserts. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed, but I know of a few remixes from some of my favorite bands that have plenty of KW samples. Some of the more notable bands include Depeche Mode, Erasure, and even Thompson Twins. To hear the KW samples doesn't offend me, as long as the remix was done well. Such as the remix for DM's "Everything Counts", which is really wierd but an inventive remix. Another favorite of mine is the two "German" remixes of Erasure's "Blue Savannah", both done in good taste. Does anyone have a notable remix that they liked with any KW samples? Or perhaps there was one that particuarly disturbed you? Jonathan From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 02:01:16 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA23003 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 02:01:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199305190701.AA23003@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ee.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22990 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 02:01:16 -0500 Received: by ee.tut.fi; id AA00310; Wed, 19 May 1993 10:01:14 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: 1in10 vs. Model Date: Wed, 19 May 93 10:01:13 EET DST In-Reply-To: <199305182113.AA26131@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 18, 93 2:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: jhsa@ee.tut.fi (Salmij{rvi Janne) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > P.S. about "1 in 10" by 808 State/UB40: > > The bass line is definitely identicalto a melody line in The Model, no > doubt about it. The bassline in 1in10 is identical to a _bass_ line in The Model :) And I'm pretty sure 808state used that bassline knowing exactly what they did. I'm not complaining though... very good bassline after all ;) Janne From kraftwerk-request Sun May 19 13:26:52 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA04806 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 04:27:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199305190927.AA04806@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA04789 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 04:27:26 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYCW4L5RA88WWSEK@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 19 May 1993 11:26:52 +0200 Date: 19 May 1993 11:26:52 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: The Mix Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu This has not been discussed, but I think it can be interesting. > Really-From: Trevor Warwick > > I think they might just as > well have bunged the CD of "The Mix" on and saved themselves the hassle of > standing up there. What do you think about "The Mix"? You like it? / love it? / can stand it? / hate it? Maybe you even got into KW for "The Mix"? Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 05:23:53 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08818 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 05:23:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191023.AA08818@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from bayeux (aubagne.daimi.aau.dk) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08700 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 05:23:53 -0500 Received: by bayeux id AA07409 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Wed, 19 May 1993 12:23:49 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: The Mix Date: Wed, 19 May 93 12:23:46 METDST In-Reply-To: <199305190927.AA04806@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 19, 93 11:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: Niels Olof Bouvin Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > This has not been discussed, but I think it can be interesting. [stuff deleted] > What do you think about "The Mix"? > > You like it? / love it? / can stand it? / hate it? > Maybe you even got into KW for "The Mix"? I like it rather a lot. While it isn't one of their best works, it sure beats the hell out of most modern techno. But as I have posted before, I don't like the remixed remix, :), whereas the remix on the Mix is really something (and very good live too). > > > Jose Garcia > pepe@ctivax.uab.es > Niels Olof Bouvin bouvin@daimi.aau.dk From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 05:39:05 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01162 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 05:39:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191039.AA01162@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01145 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 05:39:05 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 19 May 93 12:39 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA179359, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: The Mix In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 19 May 93 12:23:46 T. <199305191023.AA08818@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 93 12:37:33 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu [stuff deleted] > > What do you think about "The Mix"? The following I posted to rec.music.reviews and misc June 10, 1991, Just my opinion: For those of you who know Kraftwerk live: this is how The Mix sounds. For those of you who know The Mix: this is how Kraftwerk live sounds. The Mix is an album with remakes of older Kraftwerk tracks. Remakes, not remixes: only fragments of the older songs have been used as far as I can tell. Some tracks are hardly recognizable even. My impression is that it is a very 'rough' album, not much polishing or after-production has been done. The credits don't list anyone who did the mixing either, as with previous records: MUSIC DATA MIX . RALF HUTTER . FLORIAN SCHNEIDER . FRITZ HILPERT KLINGKLANG STUDIO DUSSELDORF . HARDWARE . BLANK . BOLCKE BOVERO . MARINOSCI . METZNER . OTT PAGENBERG . REHBERG PHOTO . FROHLING . GRAPHICS . SL DIGITAL . LANDWEHR . LUTKAT SOFTWARE . JALASS . KLINGKLANG PRODUKT 1991 >From the credits one could think Kraftwerk is a trio again, though in the Robots video clearly 4 different 'faces' can be seen. Rumour had it that it would be a house-record. I don't think it is, in general. Only the last track (Music Non Stop) is 'housy'. Noteworthy are the anti-nuclear lyrics of Radioactivity: 'Tchernobyl - Harrisburg - Sellafield - Hiroschima, Stop radioactivity, Chain reaction and mutation, Contaminated population' It will depend on your taste wether you like the tracks on The Mix better than the originals. Personally I find The Robots the best on this record, in general I prefer the originals though. The Mix does not really add to what Kraftwerk did in the past, I'm very happy though they are still active, even going on tour. The colour artwork of the cover of the cd is pretty bad, the black and white pictures of the Robots inside are quite ok. A very nice piece of engineering, those robot arms! I wonder if they will be used live too... Rick Jansen --rick@sara.nl From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 13:21:50 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06403 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 06:21:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191121.AA06403@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06369 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 06:21:45 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYD04MI1MO8ZDZUH@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 19 May 1993 13:21:51 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 13:21:50 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: The Mix Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > only fragments of the older songs have been used as far > as I can tell. Yes, they use some samples. They've sampled themselves! I remember that in an interview with Ralf in a magazine he said they used samples from the original Autobahn for new Autobahn as they weren't able to make the same sound. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 07:21:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11486 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 07:21:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191221.AA11486@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ee.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA11473 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 07:21:33 -0500 Received: from newton.ee.tut.fi by ee.tut.fi; id AA09760; Wed, 19 May 1993 15:21:31 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Remixes with KW inserts. Date: Wed, 19 May 93 15:21:29 EET DST In-Reply-To: <199305182148.AA01248@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 18, 93 2:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: jhsa@ee.tut.fi (Salmij{rvi Janne) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Jonathan Komar > > I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed, but I know of a few remixes > from some of my favorite bands that have plenty of KW samples. Some of > the more notable bands include Depeche Mode, Erasure, and even Thompson > Twins. And for remixers I'd add Razormaid. Their remix of Depeche Mode's World In My Eyes is 'full' with kraftwerk :) Musique Non Stop and other things ... > Does anyone have a notable remix that they liked with any KW samples? Or > perhaps there was one that particuarly disturbed you? I like that remix I mentioned above a lot :) Luckily I've been spared for the disturbing things so far ;) Janne From kraftwerk-request Tue May 18 23:42:02 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25197 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 08:42:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191342.AA25197@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from hardy.u.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25180 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 08:42:03 -0500 Received: by hardy.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA23412; Wed, 19 May 93 06:42:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 19 May 93 06:42:02 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Old-Sender: palefox@hardy.u.washington.edu Subject: Re: The Mix Status: O Really-From: INNER STEREO Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I noticed that they changed the lyrics to Radioactivity. I noticed it the firsttime on my Munich '81 boot, where they also sing something like `Raketen, Tot, und Mutation'. Those aktivists! To me the Mix was a big letdown, even bigger than Electric Cafe. With EC, I was expecting something to blow away Computer World, but instead it was only ok, not worth the ten year wait. As for the Mix, I really hope they stop redoing their oldies and create something new. Also, I read an interview with Bartos in Frontpage, a German mag, that KW have `kilometers' of unreleased material in their vaults. I would kill to hear some of that stuff. Hmmm, maybe they need a janitor... (-; From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 06:18:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01464 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 09:25:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191425.AA01464@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01433 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 09:25:06 -0500 Received: from unixd1.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA21929 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 10:25:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 10:18:00 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Remixes with KW inserts. In-Reply-To: <199305182148.AA01248@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Does anyone have a notable remix that they liked with any KW samples? Or > perhaps there was one that particuarly disturbed you? > > Jonathan > Not that I listen to the type of music...but a few years ago I heard this rap song titled "Pump it Hottie" by Redhead Kingpin which was based entirely on the "Numbers". A one minute sample loop of "Numbers" repreats through the entire song. They didn't even change the speed! Kraftwerk is sampled heavily in rap music, so I'm told. Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 10:27:24 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03054 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 09:35:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191435.AA03054@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02999 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 09:34:55 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA01622; Wed, 19 May 93 07:29:30 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA18325; Wed, 19 May 93 07:29:01 PDT for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.817040; Wed, 19 May 1993 09:28:47 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 15:27:24 EST Subject: The Mix revisited Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu One thing that I didn't like about The Mix are the coice of songs they did. I would have killed to hear a newer versions of The Model, Tour de France, The Telephone Call (which is one of their best songs -- especially if you like phone phreaking), Sex Objekt, etc ... there are many songs they could have re-done. Plus I find the sound of The Mix to be rather disco-ish. I hope they're not trying to usher in a revival of disco. I would like to hear somethig brand new, and with a bit harder more techno edge. Like Electric Cafe...something, anything new. Now to change the subject completely... Anyone familiar with a German techno band named Klangwerk? I have one of their 12" singles and it is very Kraftwerk-ish. I've got a few German imports that are chuck full of very obvious Kraftwerk samples and rip-offs. <808-State Editorial Follows> This "1 in 10" song is very boring and dry. The first time I heard it, I immediately heard the Model bass-line. Typical of 808-State. Take something good and and ruin it in one of their own silly songs. I really dont like 808-State. Bruce From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 07:30:17 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12539 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 10:31:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191531.AA12539@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from enterprise.bih.harvard.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12502 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 10:31:41 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: LFO Date: Wed, 19 May 93 11:30:17 EDT Status: O Really-From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hi - I just subsribed to this group, so I figured I'd throw in my .02 regarding Kraftwerk and the bands they've influenced. Has anyone heard the band "LFO"? That's Low Frequency Oscillation. The first track on their album (there's only one, to my knowledge) is called "What is Techno", and in it they describe techno as being founded by the "real" techno bands... Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode, Yellow Magic Orchestra, and a few others. The thing I really liked about this album is that it follows the genre of "minimal techno", much like Kraftwerk does. I grow tired very rapidly of the commercial techno which is played at clubs and raves all over... it is just driving, repetative, samples which are non-creative. I just received a KW mailing where someone mentioned Klangwerk... I once saw this in a store (as an import 12"), but I didn't bother to pick it up since it was expensive, and I had never heard it. The name of the band sounds borderline copyright-infringement, seeing KW's label is KlingKlang Productions (I think). Vir F'ahrn auf dir Autobahn... Eric *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Eric J. 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DOS/Mac programming, Ultrix administration, general chaos .... | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 06:58:55 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA16206 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 10:56:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191556.AA16206@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA16184 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 10:55:54 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA08846; Wed, 19 May 1993 11:55:55 -0400 Posted-Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 11:58:55 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Wed, 19 May 1993 11:58:55 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 11:58:55 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: RE>Remixes with KW inserts. Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu To me, the most lucritive use of KW samples has been in Hip Hop and Break- Beats, throughout the 80's and into the 90's. In particular, I think Todd Terry (a major force in early house music, still around today) has used bits from Computer World quite effectively. Also, a strictly instrumental version of Tour de France was used in one of those early '80s breakdance movies (a dance involving a broom on wires!) and the soundtrack did not credit KW for the music, but I think it was licensed from KW. TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU () |==| | | Wir sind schaufensterpuppen. #||# - Kraftwerk || _][_ -------------------------------------- Date: 5/18/93 5:59 PM To: Terre Thaemlitz From: kraftwerk mailing list Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed, but I know of a few remixes from some of my favorite bands that have plenty of KW samples. Some of the more notable bands include Depeche Mode, Erasure, and even Thompson Twins. To hear the KW samples doesn't offend me, as long as the remix was done well. Such as the remix for DM's "Everything Counts", which is really wierd but an inventive remix. Another favorite of mine is the two "German" remixes of Erasure's "Blue Savannah", both done in good taste. Does anyone have a notable remix that they liked with any KW samples? Or perhaps there was one that particuarly disturbed you? Jonathan From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 07:29:09 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20684 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 11:26:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191626.AA20684@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20670 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 11:26:11 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA09134; Wed, 19 May 1993 12:26:09 -0400 Posted-Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 12:29:09 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Wed, 19 May 1993 12:29:09 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 12:29:09 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: RE>Remixes with KW inserts. Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > a notable remix that they liked with any KW samples? Something I forgot to tag to my last message: there's a pretty good track out now on Warp records. The performer is B-12, and the record is "Electro-Soma" ( cool orange double vinyl :) also cd and cassette) There is a track called "Telefone 5.8.9" (or three other numbers) that uses the KW sample of a phone beep and ring. The music is totally different, and I would say very good. Kind of a mellower KW "House Phone" without so many pre-recorded messages. TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU (-) >-( )-< "GLOBULE" o-o -Haruomi Hosono From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 07:39:19 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22341 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 11:36:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191636.AA22341@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22329 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 11:36:17 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA09245; Wed, 19 May 1993 12:36:17 -0400 Posted-Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 12:39:19 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Wed, 19 May 1993 12:39:19 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 12:39:19 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: KWeer? Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Has KW ever spoken on sexual identity? I have always found their fetishization of man+machine (as opposed to the mutually classic woman+nature) to brush on issues of homo-erotica. In particular, Tour de France is a monster J/O B/F men groaning in ecstacy track. Are there any articles or comments by group members on this? TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU | `' | | /_) | | / / It's more fun to compute. / @ / / -Kraftwerk | @@@ / | @@ | \ \__/ \ | | | From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 09:33:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA05671 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 13:07:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191807.AA05671@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA05650 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 13:07:10 -0500 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4106; Wed, 19 May 93 14:07:35 EDT Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1910; Wed, 19 May 1993 14:07:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 May 93 13:33:47 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: KWeer? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 19 May 1993 12:39:19 -0500 Status: O Really-From: Eric non stop Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Wed, 19 May 1993 12:39:19 -0500 you said: >Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz >Has KW ever spoken on sexual identity? I don't know. :) But they certainly have approached the subject of sex in their music. The Model comes (no pun intended) to mind, as does the more obvious Sex Object, not to mention Computerlove ("I need a rendezvous"). The most overtly hetrosexual lyrics probably being the live bootleg version of The Model that I've seen quoted here: "She looks so good, I want to fuck her again." >I have always found their fetishization >of man+machine (as opposed to the mutually classic woman+nature) to brush on >issues of homo-erotica. I can see your point. At the risk of being hetero-centric, I think machines are not particularly homo-erotic. After all, what do they call someone how wants sex all the time? A Sex Machine! What do they call someone who is easily turned on? A Light Switch! :) In support of your point, these terms could apply to non-heterosexuals as well. >In particular, Tour de France is a monster J/O B/F men >groaning in ecstacy track. Are there any articles or comments by group members >on this? Again I see your point in that Kraftwrk is male and these are male groans. I never took them to be anything more than the breaths and groans of a cyclist (honest! :) ) What if the moans were female? Would that be appealling to a lesbian audience? Possibly, but I'm sure there could be women who find the groans in Tour de France as sexually interesting as anyone else. Let us not be too male-centric. >TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU > | `' > | | /_) > | | / / It's more fun to compute. > / @ / / -Kraftwerk > | @@@ / > | @@ | > \ \__/ > \ | > | | As I said...I can see your point! ;-) (Just what *is* that thing, anyway? ;-) ) --Eric "Now is the time on the Kraftwerk list when we dance--auf Wiedersehen!" From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 10:00:53 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13338 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 13:57:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191857.AA13338@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13323 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 13:57:53 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA10907; Wed, 19 May 1993 14:57:53 -0400 Posted-Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 15:00:53 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00002; Wed, 19 May 1993 15:00:53 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 15:00:53 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: RE>Re: KWeer? Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In response to Eric: >> man+machine brush on issues of homo-erotica. > > I think machines are not particularly homo-erotic. I don't either ;) I think I was more referring to a masculine concept of industrialization (which I think KW is about, critically or not so) combined with a romanticization of technology, which IMHO conveys a rather sarcastic sexually charged macho environment filled with men and machinery with little room for much else. But then again, in Computer Love it is a recording of a female voice which he is in love with (interpreting the lyrics as being about a sexually frustrated guy who gets off listening to the telephone recorded message voice - his computer love). > "She looks so good, I want to fuck her again." I guess I wonder if this objectifying approach toward women found in many of their tracks is sarcastic, or if KW is totally oblivious to gender issues, or...? I like to think The Model is a kind of sarcastic commentary on men oggling women. (Otherwise it's just about men oggling women, which I find kinda disillusioning ;) > Sex Object I always thought he was singing to another man, with the female sounding samples representing a queer femme identity. Not that this is an exclusive interpretation. > I'm sure there could be women who find the groans in > Tour de France as sexually interesting as anyone else. > Let us not be too male-centric. I guess my whole gist of KW is that they are extremely male-centric. Whether you see this as critical social commentary (which generally I tend to) or chauvenism, this is a whole huge issue which I would imagine there has to be stuff written on somewhere. Or else we're doing it now ;-) TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU | ( ( ( o ) ) ) | | I'm the transmitter - give information. |X| You're the antenna, catching vibrations. |X| -Kraftwerk |X| |X| _|X|_ From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 17:17:09 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22360 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 14:53:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199305191953.AA22360@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cats.UCSC.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22341 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 14:53:14 -0500 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.UCSC.EDU with SMTP id AA20736; Wed, 19 May 93 12:53:11 -0700 Received: by am.ucsc.edu (5.65/4.7) id AA27419; Wed, 19 May 93 12:53:10 -0700 X-Old-Cc: cspot@cats.UCSC.EDU Subject: Re: Remixes with KW inserts. In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 19 May 93 10:18:00 -0400. <199305191425.AA01464@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Wed, 19 May 93 12:53:09 +45722824 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: "Chris.Hilker" Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: Ravindra S Shah >Not that I listen to the type of music...but a few years ago I heard this >rap song titled "Pump it Hottie" by Redhead Kingpin which was based >entirely on the "Numbers". A one minute sample loop of "Numbers" repreats >through the entire song. They didn't even change the speed! I know of at least four tracks that sample "Numbers" - The Redhead Kingpin track you mentioned, a track on the first PM Dawn album, "Kool-Aid" by Big Audio Dynamite II, and (not really a sample) "Planet Rock" by Afrika Bambaataa, which has a call and response section involving counting in Japanese. :) "Planet Rock" is built around "Trans-Europe Express" though. I believe there was a lawsuit. C. -- hilker!chris (cspot@cats.ucsc.edu) "My home is Vulcan and everybody likes me there and they don't call me freak." Life is fair. There, I said it. If anyone asks, you can tell them I did. From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 11:21:48 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26844 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 15:18:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199305192018.AA26844@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26819 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 15:18:48 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA12105; Wed, 19 May 1993 16:18:47 -0400 Posted-Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 16:21:48 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Wed, 19 May 1993 16:21:48 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Wed, 19 May 1993 16:21:48 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: More KW samples Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Here's another current one: "Assassin" by the Orb uses the intro to Kommetten Melodie II (the descending sine wave with a wind chime sound). If you don't know this track, definitely look into it! It's on it's own single release in UK, and is the B/W of the US 12" of Blue Room. It's also on the US x2CD "u.f.orb" And two related items to be released in the upcoming months, destined to go down in a firey ball of infamy: "Tranquilizer" and "Hovering Glows", two ambient tracks of my own sampling from Kommetten Melodie II (speak of the devil) and Radioland respectively. From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 20:20:56 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02095 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 19:41:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199305200041.AA02095@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02083 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 19:41:06 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA26982; Wed, 19 May 93 17:28:13 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA08018; Wed, 19 May 93 17:27:44 PDT for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.820016; Wed, 19 May 1993 19:27:30 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 01:20:56 EST Subject: Re: LFO Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu "I just received a KW mailing where someone mentioned Klangwerk... I once saw this in a store (as an import 12"), but I didn't bother to pick it up since it was expensive, and I had never heard it. The name of the band sounds borderline copyright-infringement, seeing KW's label is KlingKlang Productions (I think)." Their music is fairly long and intensly boring, not to mention like the pre-programmed synth-a-crap you mentioned. However, they're VERY Kraftwerk-ish. From kraftwerk-request Wed May 19 20:25:22 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02126 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 19:41:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199305200041.AA02126@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02110 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 19:41:19 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA26986; Wed, 19 May 93 17:28:24 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA08027; Wed, 19 May 93 17:27:49 PDT for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.820018; Wed, 19 May 1993 19:27:34 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 01:25:22 EST Subject: Re: RE>Remixes with KW inserts. Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu "To me, the most lucritive use of KW samples has been in Hip Hop and Break- Beats, throughout the 80's and into the 90's. In particular, I think Todd Terry (a major force in early house music, still around today) has used bits from Computer World quite effectively. Also, a strictly instrumental version of Tour de France was used in one of those early '80s breakdance movies (a dance involving a broom on wires!) and the soundtrack did not credit KW for the music, but I think it was licensed from KW." Wasn't there an album of that movie that was produced? I recall hearing it somehwere and there was this really greasy version of TdF on it... I remember some fat kids near my old public school playing it... From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 11:38:08 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12297 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 02:38:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199305200738.AA12297@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12258 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 02:38:20 -0500 Received: from ume.cs.umu.se by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA07828; Thu, 20 May 1993 09:38:13 +0200 Received: from teg.cs.umu.se by ume.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA27508; Thu, 20 May 93 09:38:12 +0200, auth dvlawm X-Auth-From: dvlawm Received: by teg.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA26265; Thu, 20 May 93 09:38:09 +0200 Return-Path: From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Breakdance... Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 09:38:08 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Has anyone got the recordnumber for the Breakdance album? /awm -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * trafo@unitech.se * feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 11:47:04 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12974 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 02:47:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199305200747.AA12974@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12958 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 02:47:13 -0500 Received: from ume.cs.umu.se by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA08179; Thu, 20 May 1993 09:47:10 +0200 Received: from teg.cs.umu.se by ume.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA27596; Thu, 20 May 93 09:47:09 +0200, auth dvlawm X-Auth-From: dvlawm Received: by teg.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA26324; Thu, 20 May 93 09:47:06 +0200 Return-Path: From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Elektric Music - Showbusiness Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 09:47:04 +0200 (MET DST) Action: s X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Has anyone listened more carefully to the lyrics in "Show business"? "We're diving through the looking glass Just like the greatest stars You don't have to be yourself Change into someone else" "Through the looking glass" is one off my favourite songs, seems like it is one of Karl's too... :-) /awm -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * trafo@unitech.se * feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 06:32:12 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20519 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 06:32:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201132.AA20519@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20507 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 06:32:12 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 20 May 93 13:32 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA164377, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: KWeer? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 19 May 93 12:39:19 EST. <199305191636.AA22341@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 93 13:30:39 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Has KW ever spoken on sexual identity? Well, not as Kraftwerk as such, but Hutter and Bartos at least made the cover of a 10" record called Die Dominas, which sounds like the soundtrack of some S&M porn movie with nurses tieing patients to their beds, rubber gloves, wasps and whips. The cover depicts two ehmm... ladies, scantily clad, with whips. In my opinion Hutter and Bartos also made the music, even though they always denied that. One of the tracks ends with a highly distorted and echoed 'Hutter Hutter Hutter Bartos Bartos Bartos'. So there. In interviews KW often stressed the point they were 'very close', also 'back home'. I must admit the thought has crossed my mind they might be gay. Not that it is any of our business though. Personally I find the sex-related lyrics rather silly and not becoming Kraftwerk really. The Model was on the edge already, but Computer Love, Sex Object are over the top a bit. Especially the Computer Love lyrics are un-Kraftwerkish in my view, "stare at the tv screen, don't know what to do" isn't them at all. "I need a rendez-vous, Call this number for a data date" makes me think of telephone dating lines even. A bit of a depressed athmosphere I think. All this my humble opinion of course. I guess a returning remark to Kraftwerk was that they are very non-sexual. Creating songs like this may have been a reaction to such remarks. They're only human you know :-) Rick -- rick@sara.nl He's a model and he's looking good From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 13:31:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20683 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 06:33:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201133.AA20683@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20637 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 06:32:53 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYEEHMEG8W8Y4ZGS@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 20 May 1993 13:31:30 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 13:31:30 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: The Mix revisited Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com > > One thing that I didn't like about The Mix are the coice of songs they did. > I would have killed to hear a newer versions of The Model, Tour de France, > The Telephone Call (which is one of their best songs -- especially if you > like phone phreaking), Sex Objekt, etc ... there are many songs they could > have re-done. Well, what songs would you have left off? It would have been possible to add another song to the album, wich is only 66 min., but no more than one or maybe two songs. Some rumours say there's a "Mix 2" to be released, with The Model, Tour de F., T. Call and more (?) I sincerely hope they rather release NEW songs than a "Mix 2". > Plus I find the sound of The Mix to be rather disco-ish. I hope they're > not trying to usher in a revival of disco. So did I when I first heard the album. I thought: "well, it's not too bad, a new sound for old songs, I quite like Autobahn, the rest is not bad", but I got used to this *new sound*, and now I don't find it disco, I like it. I've been told a few times "listen to this, if you like KW you'll like this" and found this stuff TOO DISCO ORIENTED (BTW, I think it was LFO, but not sure). I've NEVER found another band that I like as much as I do with KW. > Anyone familiar with a German techno band named Klangwerk? I have one of > their 12" singles and it is very Kraftwerk-ish. Is it any good? Jose Garcia "Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 06:41:18 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21394 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 06:41:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201141.AA21394@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21378 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 06:41:18 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 20 May 93 13:41 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA164762, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: The Mix In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 19 May 93 13:21:50 O. <199305191121.AA06403@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 93 13:39:47 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Yes, they use some samples. They've sampled themselves! > > I remember that in an interview with Ralf in a magazine he said they used > samples from the original Autobahn for new Autobahn as they weren't able > to make the same sound. Most people think Autobahn is very much a synthesizer track, but it isn't really. Lots of traditional instruments were used. Electronically distored and filtered, ok, but still. The parts of Autobahn I like best were done with flutes, guitar, mouth organ and such. For example the bit after "die Sonne scheint mit Glitzerstrahl" is guitar and flutes mainly. The last 5 minutes contain lots of mouth organ. As they don't use such arcane things any more they sampled those old sounds into a synclavier. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl He's a model and he's looking good From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 06:46:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21903 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 06:46:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201146.AA21903@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21888 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 06:46:33 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 20 May 93 13:46 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA165001, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: RE>Remixes with KW inserts. In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 19 May 93 12:29:09 EST. <199305191626.AA20684@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 93 13:45:02 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > "Telefone 5.8.9" (or three other numbers) that uses the KW sample of a phone > beep and ring. They aren't Kraftwerk samples, they're phone sounds. I don't think with billions of phones in the world Kraftwerk could claim to have produced a telephone sound really. Any cheapo keyboard these days has phone sounds anyway. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl He's a model and he's looking good From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 07:19:54 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24093 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 07:20:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201220.AA24093@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24079 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 07:19:54 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 20 May 93 14:20 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA166385, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); Subject: Rendez-vous en Groningen Date: Thu, 20 May 93 14:18:23 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Meine Damen und Herren, Peter and I will catch the Utrecht-to-Groningen train at Utrecht Centraal Station on Tuesday May 25th, at 15:22. I think this is a nice and central place for everyone to meet, as all trains to Groningen go via Utrecht. Arrival time in Groningen is 17:15. This leaves time enough for dinner and refreshments and such. If you're going to Groningen and feel like joining us, you're welcome :-) Peter and I will be at the front of the train (the locomotive). You may recognize me by a rather loudly coloured shirt and special eh... gadget. Maybe I'll hold up a sign 'Kraftwerk' even. If you missed us in Utrecht you may call us at hotel WEEVA, phone 050-129919. (I recommend booking a hotel in Groningen, as there aren't really any late-night trains back to the randstad.) How about it, Jose, Hillebrand, Toni, Lutz, ... ? Please let me know by e-mail if you plan to join us or not? Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl From station to station to Groningen city (bloody obvious quote isn't it) From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 08:22:16 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26237 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 07:42:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201242.AA26237@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26214 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 07:42:41 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA15241; Thu, 20 May 93 05:33:09 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA16025; Thu, 20 May 93 05:32:33 PDT for rick@sara.nl Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.821835; Thu, 20 May 1993 07:32:21 EST X-Old-Cc: rick@sara.nl From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 13:22:16 EST Subject: Re: KWeer? Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I honestly thought that Kraftwerk DIDN'T have a sex until Sex Object came out. Anyone know anything more personal about them? Their ages? Birthdays? Families, etc? Maybe we could all get Ralf and Florians cards for their birthdays... Love from the Internet. Maybe they should log on... Hmmmm... bml From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 08:10:52 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29402 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 08:10:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201310.AA29402@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29391 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 08:10:52 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <11103-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Thu, 20 May 1993 15:10:41 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA05726; Thu, 20 May 93 15:10:25 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: KWeer? Date: Thu, 20 May 93 15:10:24 METDST In-Reply-To: <199305201242.AA26237@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 20, 93 1:22 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Sorry if I'm missing the point here < What does the sexual identity of KW matter in listening to their music ? Tsjaikovsky's music is Masculine and heroic too, he was homosexual. Does that change anything to the perception of his music ? I just feel their music tells >with love< the story of our industrialized society, and sketches a picture of the people living in it, their basic social habits like driving a car, a bike, or using the telephone. I'm afraid that when you project the breathing of a cyclist to sexual behaviour, you behave quite Freudianically Frustrated (not ment to offend anyone). Hillebrand ............................................................................... . /||\ . Hillebrand Boorsma / || \ . / || \ . Delft University of Technology +--------------------------------+ . Dpt. of Applied Fysics +-+ +------------------+ +-+ . Section Signal Processing \ / / || \ \ / . Lorentzweg 1 ++ / || \ ++ . 2628 CJ Delft / || \ . The Netherlands / || \ . / || \ . / || \ . E-mail: Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl / || \ . +------------++------------+ . Phone (private) : +31 (015) 615553 ................................................................................ "Wir fahr'n auf der Autobahn" From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 08:17:20 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00418 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 08:17:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201317.AA00418@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00406 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 08:17:20 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 20 May 93 15:17 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA168871, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: KWeer? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 20 May 93 13:22:16 EST. <199305201242.AA26237@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 93 15:15:48 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199305201242.AA26237@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Anyone know anything more personal about them? Their ages? Birthdays? > Families, etc? Maybe we could all get Ralf and Florians cards for their > birthdays... I guess thats exactly what they want to avoid. They're only a few people, and Kraftwerk is a business that has to be run. As they do most things themselves I bet that already takes up a lot of their time. Then there's the KlingKlang studio. There must have been a giant investment in time, work and money to get it the way it is. I have built a modular synth myself, so I have a bit of an idea how much work is involved in building KlingKlang. I'm not surprised at all it took them 4 or 5 years to build it. All this personal stuff like b-days and such simply doesn't fit in with the image of the band anyway. Robots don't have birthdays, only a year of manufacture. They've been successful at keeping the press and fans at a nice distance, which is rather good for them I think. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl He's a model and he's looking good From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 05:09:03 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07193 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 09:06:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201406.AA07193@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07138 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 09:06:02 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA17021; Thu, 20 May 1993 10:06:01 -0400 Posted-Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:09:03 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Thu, 20 May 1993 10:09:03 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:09:03 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: RE>Re: RE>Remixes with KW inserts. Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Right, they're 'just' phone sounds, but at the end of the B-12 track they play the 3 beeps and a ring layered with the sound of a rotary dial which is identical to House Phone, idicating KW as the sample source. You can tell it's the KW sample because of the layering of the phone ring with the rotary dial. Obviously KW sampled it from another source (I would assume a phone ;) -------------------------------------- Date: 5/20/93 9:58 AM To: Terre Thaemlitz From: kraftwerk mailing list Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > "Telefone 5.8.9" (or three other numbers) that uses the KW sample of a phone > beep and ring. They aren't Kraftwerk samples, they're phone sounds. I don't think with billions of phones in the world Kraftwerk could claim to have produced a telephone sound really. Any cheapo keyboard these days has phone sounds anyway. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl He's a model and he's looking good ===== The SMTP Mail Header Follows Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21903 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 06:46:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201146.AA21903@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21888 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 06:46:33 - 0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 20 May 93 13:46 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA165001, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: RE>Remixes with KW inserts. In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 19 May 93 12:29:09 EST. <199305191626.AA20684@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 93 13:45:02 N From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Errors-To: kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 05:24:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09658 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 09:21:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201421.AA09658@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09613 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 09:21:19 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA17301; Thu, 20 May 1993 10:21:19 -0400 Posted-Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:24:21 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Thu, 20 May 1993 10:24:21 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:24:21 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: RE>Re: LFO Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Speaking of KW rip-off names, has anyone heard of "Robotwerke"? I recently saw an album by them dated from the late 70's or early 80's which was a cover- track of "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" (the 50's song). I think the cover had a guy with his face painted silver, and blue hair (kind of like the Gary Numan Berzerker cover, or that "Wunderbar" album) -------------------------------------- Date: 5/20/93 10:03 AM To: Terre Thaemlitz From: kraftwerk mailing list Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu "I just received a KW mailing where someone mentioned Klangwerk... I once saw this in a store (as an import 12"), but I didn't bother to pick it up since it was expensive, and I had never heard it. The name of the band sounds borderline copyright-infringement, seeing KW's label is KlingKlang Productions (I think)." Their music is fairly long and intensly boring, not to mention like the pre-programmed synth-a-crap you mentioned. However, they're VERY Kraftwerk-ish. ===== The SMTP Mail Header Follows Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02095 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 19 May 1993 19:41:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199305200041.AA02095@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02083 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 May 1993 19:41:06 - 0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992- eef) id AA26982; Wed, 19 May 93 17:28:13 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26- Oct-1992-eef) id AA08018; Wed, 19 May 93 17:27:44 PDT for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.820016; Wed, 19 May 1993 19:27:30 EST From: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Errors-To: kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 01:20:56 EST Subject: Re: LFO From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 04:36:42 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11572 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 09:36:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201436.AA11572@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11552 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Thu, 20 May 1993 09:36:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 09:36:42 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Quoting Status: O Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu When quoting e-mail from the list, please edit out the e-mail header.... From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 05:54:43 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13714 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 09:51:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199305201451.AA13714@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13675 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 09:51:41 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA00494; Thu, 20 May 1993 10:51:51 -0400 Posted-Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:54:43 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Thu, 20 May 1993 10:54:43 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:54:43 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: RE>Re: KWeer? Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Hillebrand Boorsma writes: > What does the sexual identity of KW matter in listening to > their music ? > > Tsjaikovsky's music is Masculine and heroic too, he was homosexual. > Does that change anything to the perception of his music ? Of course it does! As we all live in a hetero-sexist, homophobic world that does not overtly tout the accomplishments of Lesbians and Gay Men, the ability to identify with "superstars" and other cultural icons can decrease feelings of isolation and alienation felt by Lesbians and Gay Men trying to develop/maintain/figure-out their identities in volitile social circumstances. This is particularly true for those of us who grew up in rural areas. Personally, I am not for "outing" people w/o consent, and in the case of KW I am not in a position to do so anyway. My initial inquiry was whether or not KW has ever discussed their sexuality - openly. > I'm afraid that when you project the breathing of a cyclist to > sexual behaviour, you behave quite Freudianically Frustrated > (not ment to offend anyone). Wanna ride my bike? ;) BTW: I liked your Autobahn trailer! Now me :) TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU o _______ | Wir fahren fahren fahren __/|_||__|\_|__ auf der autobahn. ( \ | / \| -Kraftwerk =(o)--------(o)-= From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 11:49:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01159 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 15:12:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199305202012.AA01159@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01141 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 15:12:06 -0500 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5119; Thu, 20 May 93 16:12:32 EDT Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5787; Thu, 20 May 1993 16:12:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 May 93 15:49:33 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: The Mix revisited In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 20 May 1993 13:31:30 GMT+0200 Status: O Really-From: Eric non stop Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Thu, 20 May 1993 13:31:30 GMT+0200 you said: >Really-From: Jose Garcia >> Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com ... >> Plus I find the sound of The Mix to be rather disco-ish. I hope they're >> not trying to usher in a revival of disco. >So did I when I first heard the album. I thought: "well, it's not too bad, >a new sound for old songs, I quite like Autobahn, the rest is not bad", >but I got used to this *new sound*, and now I don't find it disco, I like it. >I've been told a few times "listen to this, if you like KW you'll like this" >and found this stuff TOO DISCO ORIENTED (BTW, I think it was LFO, but >not sure). I've NEVER found another band that I like as much as I do with KW. This talk of Disco reminded me of an interview with DEVO I read once. Let's see, I have it right here.... SYNAPSE Vol 2 #6, Summer '78 (excerpt) Synapse: By the way, speaking of limited sounds, how did you like the new Kraftwerk album? DEVO: Oh, the disco one. It sounded like disco. A lot of it sounded like a rip-off of Giorgio Moroder. It sounded a little dry. They were talking about Man-Machine. There's also a review of Man-Machine in that issue that draws comaprisons to Donna Summer. :) Personally, I was part of the original "Disco Sucks" era, and I found it hard to reconcile Kraftwerk (and later, Devo's Whip It) with my musical tastes. But after a while, I decided that dancing is a good thing for those who want to do it. I have still a fuzzy line that separates what I think of as disco from other music, but I now listen (and sometimes dance) to music that would sound like disco to some of the members of this list. If you like music that is danceable and has some of the same technoid appeal as Kraftwerk, I'd recommend Cybotron (possibly too rockish, at times) and Model 500 (pre-'90s). These both are somewhat hard to find. I think they are more satisfactory to the average Kraftwerk fan than early OMD or any synth-pop band from the Late '70s/early '80s. Oh, and I am not too thrilled with LFO, either. --Eric "Now is the time on the Kraftwerk list when we dance--auf Wiedersehen!" From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 10:32:06 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03807 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 15:31:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199305202031.AA03807@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03792 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 15:31:17 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA18531; Thu, 20 May 93 15:32:07 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: RE>Re: KWeer? Date: Thu, 20 May 93 15:32:06 CDT In-Reply-To: <199305201451.AA13714@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 20, 93 10:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > > Hillebrand Boorsma writes: > > What does the sexual identity of KW matter in listening to > > their music ? > > > > Tsjaikovsky's music is Masculine and heroic too, he was homosexual. > > Does that change anything to the perception of his music ? > > Of course it does! > > As we all live in a hetero-sexist, homophobic world that does not > overtly tout the accomplishments of Lesbians and Gay Men, the > ability to identify with "superstars" and other cultural icons can > decrease feelings of isolation and alienation felt by Lesbians and > Gay Men trying to develop/maintain/figure-out their identities in > volitile social circumstances. This is particularly true for those > of us who grew up in rural areas. Yeah, but as a gay composer _myself_, I've always pointed out to people who've tried to inveigle my sexuality into my musical output that who I choose to make love with doesn't matter _one bit_. If you're trying to figure out someone's musical worth, sexual preference is really a moot point. What matters is if you can play your gear and come up with decent material, not who turns you on. I've always sworn that anyone who made a point of identifying me as a "gay composer" for the sake of merely tagging me as such would get whacked with my 5-iron Of Reality Checking. In contexts other than this sort of discussion, focussing on _me_, and not on my _music_, would be an insult of sorts...to my _music_. I am almost inclined to think that the KW gang might think the same way... D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 10:44:35 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA05626 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 15:43:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199305202043.AA05626@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA05600 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 15:43:47 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA18562; Thu, 20 May 93 15:44:36 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Die Dominas = KW? Date: Thu, 20 May 93 15:44:35 CDT In-Reply-To: <199305201132.AA20519@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 20, 93 1:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Rick Jansen > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Well, not as Kraftwerk as such, but Hutter and Bartos at least > made the cover of a 10" record called Die Dominas, which sounds > like the soundtrack of some S&M porn movie with nurses tieing > patients to their beds, rubber gloves, wasps and whips. The cover > depicts two ehmm... ladies, scantily clad, with whips. In my opinion > Hutter and Bartos also made the music, even though they always > denied that. One of the tracks ends with a highly distorted and > echoed 'Hutter Hutter Hutter Bartos Bartos Bartos'. So there. I've heard this, too. A friend of mine out in Boulder, CO found a copy of it up in Chicago (lucky bastard..._I've_ never found it in Chicago!) and made me a tape. Judging from several things, especially the way the cheesy organ gets dealt with on there and some of the screwing about with the voice tracks, I'd have to concur that it's probably Hutter and Bartos, as well. The sound is pretty primitive, in comparison to the slicker sound we associate with KW, which leads me to figure that this fits into the category of "screwing about for kicks" with the gear, and if that's the case, it fits in with Bartos's hint about the "kilometers of material" that Klingklang's supposed to be sitting on. Ghod only knows what else might be hiding in their vaults... D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 12:15:13 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06064 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 15:45:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199305202045.AA06064@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06005 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 15:45:36 -0500 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5156; Thu, 20 May 93 16:45:22 EDT Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6199; Thu, 20 May 1993 16:45:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 May 93 16:15:13 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: RE>Re: KWeer? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 19 May 1993 15:00:53 -0500 Status: O Really-From: Eric non stop Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Wed, 19 May 1993 15:00:53 -0500 you said: >Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz >In response to Eric: >>> man+machine brush on issues of homo-erotica. >> I think machines are not particularly homo-erotic. >I don't either ;) I think I was more referring to a >masculine concept of industrialization (which I think KW >is about, critically or not so) combined with a romanticization >of technology, which IMHO conveys a rather sarcastic sexually >charged macho environment filled with men and machinery with >little room for much else. That to me is more reminiscent of boyish pre-adolescent concerns; Krafterk has that nutty, little-scientist appeal that Mr. Spock had. Don't you think Kraftwerk wears lipstick on the cover of Man-Machine to look more like pink-lipped little boys rather than cabaret performers? (non sequitur: Cabaret? Non-stop Erotic Cabaret? Music Non Stop? Hmmm...;) A boy of that age is unsure of his sexuality and is still in the "I hate girls" mode regardless of his inner feelings--he put on the front of asexuality and concern for more "manly" (in his eyes) things. If anything, I find Kraftwerk asexual and thus appealing (in a non-sexual, boyish sort of way, of course ;-). Heck, I'm glad Kraftwerk leaves their sexuality ambiguous! WRT The Model >I guess I wonder if this objectifying approach toward >women found in many of their tracks is sarcastic, or >if KW is totally oblivious to gender issues, or...? I >like to think The Model is a kind of sarcastic commentary on >men oggling women. (Otherwise it's just about men oggling >women, which I find kinda disillusioning ;) It could go either way. You don't have to be a gay or bi male to have sarcastic feelings about the objectification of women. >> Sex Object >I always thought he was singing to another man, with >the female sounding samples representing a queer femme identity. >Not that this is an exclusive interpretation. Again, it could go either way, as you imply. >I guess my whole gist of KW is that they are extremely male-centric. >Whether you see this as critical social commentary (which generally >I tend to) or chauvenism, this is a whole huge issue which I would >imagine there has to be stuff written on somewhere. Or else we're >doing it now ;-) We wouldn't want to do that now, would we? :) I pass it off as a grown up version of the Boys Club syndrome where sexuality os not clearly defined, and nerdy asexuality is appealing. > | > ( ( ( o ) ) ) > | > | I'm the transmitter - give information. > |X| You're the antenna, catching vibrations. > |X| -Kraftwerk > |X| > |X| > _|X|_ Sometimes an antennae is just an antennae! ;-) Then again... just *why* were they meeting Iggy "I've had it in the ear before" Pop and David "I'm bisexual" Bowie on the TRANS Europe EXpress? (non sequitur: Trans Europe Express, TranSexual, Express yourself) ;-) For that matter, why were they cruising on the Autobahn?;-) Then again...what of the phallic imagery in Bowie's V-2 *Schneider*? (yes, Pynchon used the V-2 as a symbol of the end of rennaisance man, but that's beside the point). As I write, DAC's article has come in...well put! I agree! --Eric "Now is the time on the Kraftwerk list when we dance--auf Weidersehen! From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 07:58:49 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA15751 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 16:59:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199305202159.AA15751@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA15732 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 16:58:55 -0500 Received: by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65b/7.1ju) id AA26133; Thu, 20 May 93 14:58:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 May 93 14:58:49 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Return-Path: Subject: KWeer? Status: O Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu on the man-machine/homo-erotica deal... I think it's stretching it to detect this sort of link: KW : man-machine aesthetic : all-male laboratory environment : latent homoeroticism [This message gets kinda long-winded. Please move on if you're not interested!] I mean, most all-male situations have *some* degree of homoeroticism, however miniscule. (it really surfaces in shirtless hardcore punk slam dancing.) In KW, I'd say it's ultimately pretty inconsequential. With the major exception of Tour de France. The song definitely has vivid male sexuality content. The heavy breathing double-entendre struck me from the first time I heard the song. Is the song intentionally homoerotic? Well, look at it this way: how many records conveying an original, honest, human, thoughtful, specifically male sexuality have been made by hetero men? Some, but not many, IMHO - Scritti Politti, Prefab Sprout...? Many queer men have been forced to consider sexuality more carefully - NOT because they're "smarter", but because society has so greatly problematized it. In the end, this doesn't help decipher Tour de France. And anyway - can groans have a sexual orientation? (god, I can't believe I'm asking pointless questions like that!) As for "Sex Object", I think it's orientation-neutral. Some of the voices sound like plain old (biological) women to me. Richard From kraftwerk-request Thu May 20 23:09:16 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA17773 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 20 May 1993 22:14:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199305210314.AA17773@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA17762 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 20 May 1993 22:14:07 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA17389; Thu, 20 May 93 20:11:52 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA09511; Thu, 20 May 93 20:11:25 PDT for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.824461; Thu, 20 May 1993 22:11:09 EST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 04:09:16 EST Subject: Re: KWeer? Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu With regards to Tour de France, heavy breathing and et al... Couldn't it also mean, that say, perhaps, they're CYCLING?! Has anyone here been cycling very hard and fast and possibly breathed a bit faster than usual? You could construe that Pocket Calculator is sexual: pushing buttons, making things (people) do what you want, threesomes, or more (adding and subtracting) and by pressing down the special key (g-spot) it plays a little melody! Anything could be seen as sexual. I LISTEN to Kraftwerk. I dont analyse Kraftwerk. Bruce Maybe. Perhaps. Yes! From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 01:06:07 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29428 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 01:06:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199305210606.AA29428@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from bordeaux (besancon.daimi.aau.dk) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29416 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 01:06:07 -0500 Received: by bordeaux id AA19951 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Fri, 21 May 1993 08:06:05 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: The Mix Date: Fri, 21 May 93 8:06:01 METDST In-Reply-To: <199305191039.AA01162@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 19, 93 12:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: Niels Olof Bouvin Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > The colour artwork of the cover of the cd is pretty bad, the black > and white pictures of the Robots inside are quite ok. A very nice > piece of engineering, those robot arms! I wonder if they will be > used live too... But they have been! At Saga Copenhagen '91, KW first did Radioactivity normally; then left; curtain down; music continues; curtain up; no one on stage; projection screens up; voila! the ROBOTS!. These robots kept moving during the retake of the number. Best regards Niels Olof Bouvin From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 12:58:14 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13420 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 05:59:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199305211059.AA13420@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13400 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 05:58:54 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYFRQIIH9C8WVZPS@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 21 May 1993 12:58:14 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 12:58:14 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Birth-dates of manufacture Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com > > Anyone know anything more personal about them? Their ages? Birthdays? > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > All this personal stuff like b-days and such simply doesn't fit in > with the image of the band anyway. Robots don't have birthdays, only > a year of manufacture. Birth-date of manufacture Place Ralf Hutter 20-8-46 Krefeld Florian Scheneider-Esleben 7-4-47 Duesseldorf The rest, I don't know. Jose Garcia "We are the robots" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 05:05:12 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29351 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 09:02:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199305211402.AA29351@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29338 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 09:02:12 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA11053; Fri, 21 May 1993 10:02:20 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 10:05:12 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Fri, 21 May 1993 10:05:12 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 10:05:12 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Air Liquide: Neue Frankfurter Electronik Schule Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Well, I found my copy of the Air Liquide EP (groovy blue vinyl) and the A side is fabulous! (A-side = ambient, B-side = fast techno). "****" (four star rating) There are two tracks on each side, and no track titles, so I'll refer to them as A1, A2... A1: this is a must for KW lovers who miss the early days. It's an analogue track using late 70's drum machines (those sub-samba ones used by Gary Numan in his Telekon/Dance phase) with an Autobahn percussion flavor. Big bouncy analogue bass sounds. This is the track getting play in NYC ambient rooms. A1: this is also an analogue track, but it's more strictly ambient (rhythmic, but no drum beat) and has alot of well done vocal samples from a movie I am unaware of. Analogue 303 sounds galore. This is the one I would play in NYC ambient rooms. The B-side isn't my style of music, and I haven't listened to it much, but it sounds like quality techno, and B1 starts out with an intense alien abduction :) I hear Air Liquide has a second EP out (green vinyl). Anyone familiar with it? TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU /\ || /__\ |O | "SPACE LAB." |O | -Kraftwerk |O | |..| [||] | | /|..|\ / ==== \ /__[[]]__\ /..\ From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 05:42:10 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03620 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 09:39:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199305211439.AA03620@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03608 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 09:39:11 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA11545; Fri, 21 May 1993 10:39:19 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 10:42:10 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Fri, 21 May 1993 10:42:10 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 10:42:10 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: *WARNING* NYC Ambient Night Approaching Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu (To those of you on the KW list, this is the first time I posted a notice for this to you, and I will try to do so in the future.) Okay, the details are vague as of this point, but there's going to be another ambient night in "about two weeks." I am assuming, from the info I received, that it will be around the weekend of June 5, however it could be the weekend of May 29 or June 12. It will be at a club in the West Village, NOT the 8-ball shop. I'll get the specific address & name when I get the specific date. my pal john hall and his partner will be spinning, as usual. Perhaps some of my new tracks??!! I'm getting this admittedly vague note out now because I know I have a tendency to forget until the last minute, then I get lots of "grrrr" mail from people with busy schedules who wanted more warning ;) TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU (-) >-( )-< "GLOBULE" o-o -Haruomi Hosono From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 17:01:51 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06841 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 10:02:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199305211502.AA06841@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06815 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 10:02:29 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYG0CNY9Q88WVZUL@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 21 May 1993 17:01:51 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 17:01:51 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Breakdance Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com > > "Also, a strictly instrumental version > of Tour de France was used in one of those early '80s breakdance movies (a > dance involving a broom on wires!) and the soundtrack did not credit KW for > the music, but I think it was licensed from KW." > > Wasn't there an album of that movie that was produced? I recall hearing it > somehwere and there was this really greasy version of TdF on it... The track Tour de France was remixed for the soundtrack of Breakdance but was not released on the soundtrack album of the film. Instead, it was released as a Kraftwerk 12" and 7". Good remix!!! The record sleeve is the same as for the original TdF, but mentions it's a track from the Breakdance film. It even has the same cat. no. If you ever see a copy, get it! Jose Garcia "Camarades et amitie'" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 06:49:04 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12550 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 10:46:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199305211546.AA12550@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12532 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 10:46:02 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA12440; Fri, 21 May 1993 11:46:11 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 11:49:04 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Fri, 21 May 1993 11:49:04 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 11:49:04 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: RE>Breakdance Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Besides the KW TdF 12", there is one breakdance movie (Breakin' or Breakin' II? something like that) which has TdF on it's soundtrack credited to another group. I am positive of this. I do not own it, but I saw it once and took special note of the fact that neither KW or any of it's members' names were mentioned in the tiny print I read. Unfortunately, I was short on money and passed on it. Now - of course - I cannot locate the soundtrack anywhere ;) BTW: The "Breakdance" TdF remix is the one I most commonly see here in NYC. TERRE_THAEMLITZ@QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU __________ ___ | -------- | || || || APPLE || || || I program my home computer... || BLUGU || | || Beam myself into the future. ||________|| | || -Kraftwerk |__________| | || ____===___ |__|| /------- --\___ /____________\ \=\ -- -------------------------------------- Date: 5/21/93 11:18 AM To: Terre Thaemlitz From: kraftwerk mailing list Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com > > "Also, a strictly instrumental version > of Tour de France was used in one of those early '80s breakdance movies (a # > dance involving a broom on wires!) and the soundtrack did not credit KW for # > the music, but I think it was licensed from KW." > > Wasn't there an album of that movie that was produced? I recall hearing it # > somehwere and there was this really greasy version of TdF on it... The track Tour de France was remixed for the soundtrack of Breakdance but was not released on the soundtrack album of the film. Instead, it was released as a Kraftwerk 12" and 7". Good remix!!! The record sleeve is the same as for the original TdF, but mentions it's a track from the Breakdance film. It even has the same cat. no. If you ever see a copy, get it! Jose Garcia "Camarades et amitie'" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 06:59:43 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14015 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 10:56:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199305211556.AA14015@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13971 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 10:56:45 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA12616; Fri, 21 May 1993 11:56:53 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 11:59:43 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Fri, 21 May 1993 11:59:43 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 11:59:43 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Odd KW CD's Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Can anyone comment on the following KW CD's I've been seeing around as of late: Heute/Abend - 2 CD set to me it looks like the same thing as The Mix. is it? (I don't know the name of the CD, but it has a photo of a KW mannequin in a travel case for it's cover. I think it's a multi CD set as well) - is this remixes or live or ??? Then there's a bunch of live KW CD's called "The Model," "Riminimini" and other stuff. I'm assuming all of these are commonplace in Europe, as the pressing dates indicate they're all a few years old. I guess I always considered KW a studio group, so I haven't gotten any of these concert CD's. Am I missing out? I would be interested in something that sounds "different" from their studio stuff, but not stuff that sounds merely like a live version (ie., poor sound quality and basically the same music with a crowd cheering ;) From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 06:06:19 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA15215 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 11:06:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199305211606.AA15215@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA15204 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Fri, 21 May 1993 11:06:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 11:06:19 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Odd KW CD's Newsgroups: uwp.maillist.kraftwerk Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Status: O Really-From: David Datta Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu : Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz : I guess I always considered KW a studio group, so I haven't gotten : any of these concert CD's. Am I missing out? I would be interested : in something that sounds "different" from their studio stuff, but : not stuff that sounds merely like a live version (ie., poor sound : quality and basically the same music with a crowd cheering ;) Kraftwerk has not released ANY live material. All of the live CDs you are finding are audience recordings. Many of them contain tracks that are now very hard to find and extended versions of the studio tracks but none of them have really good sound quality. From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 18:01:59 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21788 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 11:54:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199305211654.AA21788@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21755 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 11:54:20 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYG2FEC1R48Y53K5@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 21 May 1993 18:01:59 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 18:01:59 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: a KW week Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu I have a week holiday that I'm spending in Groningen, Gent and Osnabrueck. Does it ring any bell? ;) I'll crosstalk to all you again in 10 days. And to the people who's going to any of the KW shows, I'll see you there. You'll recognise me for my tie :) Jose Garcia "La musica ideas portara, y siempre continuara pepe@ctivax.uab.es sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" -Technopop- From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 12:23:54 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26212 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 12:24:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199305211724.AA26212@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from hpd.lut.ac.uk by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26192 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 12:23:54 -0500 Received: from hpl.lut.ac.uk by hpd.lut.ac.uk; Fri, 21 May 93 18:23:22 bst Received: by hpl.lut.ac.uk (15.11/SMI-4.1) id AA07336; Fri, 21 May 93 18:23:22 bst From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Tour DE France Date: Fri, 21 May 93 18:23:20 BST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0 (LUT)] Status: O Really-From: Steev Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Greetings ... I'm only a first time writer, but I do know that TDF DID APPEAR on breakdance soundtrack album, but BY ANOTHER GROUP. I HAVE THAT ALBUM!!! ...at home >From memory: The cover version is quite good, moderately similar to the KW original, but it lacks the power/punch/genius of the original. Most sounds are imitated moderately accurately. Related questions: 1)Have any other KW cover versions been released? 2)Have any of YOU covered KW? 3)Do any ST-MOD files for the Amiga exist? Steev S.Goodwin1@lut.ac.uk Definition of Mistake: A correct assumption... From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 12:33:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27681 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 12:33:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199305211733.AA27681@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ucrmath.ucr.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27663 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 12:33:00 -0500 Received: by ucrmath.ucr.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18861; Fri, 21 May 93 10:41:53 PDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Breakdance Date: Fri, 21 May 93 10:41:53 BST In-Reply-To: <199305211502.AA06841@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 21, 93 5:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Status: O Really-From: kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu (christopher zimmerman) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu The remake of "Tour de France" which everyone keeps bringing up, was by a group named 10-Speed. Do not ask me why I remember this. I don't know. Christopher Robin Zimmerman From kraftwerk-request Fri May 21 09:28:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14544 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 21 May 1993 18:31:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199305212331.AA14544@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from orion.oac.uci.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14532 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 21 May 1993 18:31:21 -0500 Received: by orion.oac.uci.edu id AA21610 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk mailing list ); Fri, 21 May 1993 16:31:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 16:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: RE>Breakdance In-Reply-To: <199305211546.AA12550@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Jonathan Komar Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu On Fri, 21 May 1993, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Besides the KW TdF 12", there is one breakdance movie (Breakin' or > Breakin' II? something like that) which has TdF on it's > soundtrack credited to another group. I am positive of this. I do > not own it, but I saw it once and took special note of the fact > that neither KW or any of it's members' names were mentioned in the > tiny print I read. > I have a copy of this back in my home in Arizona. The remake really isn't that great to tell you the truth. It just sounds like some producer tried to reduplicate the song with different instruments. I personally like the original version MUCH better. Jonathan From kraftwerk-request Sat May 22 05:57:52 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22682 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 22 May 1993 05:57:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199305221057.AA22682@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22670 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 22 May 1993 05:57:52 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 22 May 93 12:58 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA147857, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: Die Dominas = KW? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 20 May 93 15:44:35 CDT. <199305202043.AA05626@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Sat, 22 May 93 12:56:13 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > Judging from several things, especially the way the > cheesy organ gets dealt with on there and some of the screwing about > with the voice tracks, I'd have to concur that it's probably Hutter and > Bartos, as well. The sound is pretty primitive, in comparison to the > slicker sound we associate with KW. Yes, especially that organ. It is played and sounds the same as some of the Autobahn organ stuff. I quite like the music of Die Dominas though, and if they have kilometers of this I better start saving, just in case some of it might get released :-) Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl "Jetzt lassen wir die Wespen 'rein!" From kraftwerk-request Sat May 22 06:29:25 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24546 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 22 May 1993 06:29:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199305221129.AA24546@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24522 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 22 May 1993 06:29:25 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 22 May 93 13:29 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA149326, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: RE>Re: KWeer? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 20 May 93 16:15:13 EDT. <199305202045.AA06064@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Sat, 22 May 93 13:27:54 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > That to me is more reminiscent of boyish pre-adolescent concerns; > Krafterk has that nutty, little-scientist appeal that Mr. Spock had. > Don't you think Kraftwerk wears lipstick on the cover of Man-Machine > to look more like pink-lipped little boys rather than cabaret performers? In those Man Machine days Kraftwerk were quite inspired by the expressionist movement from the '20s and '30s. Saying they were the "children of Fritz Lang" and the like. Hence probably also they included the track Metropolis on the album, and the art work 'inspired by El Lissitzky'. The lip stick and white powder and epilated brows (indeed!) are simply part of this style. > As I write, DAC's article has come in...well put! I agree! Me too. Enough said about their persons and private life I guess. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl Metropolis music: Hutter-Schneider words: Hutter-Schneider-Schult ^! From kraftwerk-request Mon May 24 04:05:39 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25743 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 24 May 1993 04:05:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199305240905.AA25743@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25712 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 24 May 1993 04:05:39 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 24 May 93 11:05 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA186973, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: RE>Re: KWeer? In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 22 May 93 13:27:54 N. <199305221129.AA24546@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Mon, 24 May 93 11:04:04 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199305221129.AA24546@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: Rick Jansen > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > > > That to me is more reminiscent of boyish pre-adolescent concerns; > > Krafterk has that nutty, little-scientist appeal that Mr. Spock had. > > Don't you think Kraftwerk wears lipstick on the cover of Man-Machine > > to look more like pink-lipped little boys rather than cabaret performers? > > In those Man Machine days Kraftwerk were quite inspired by > the expressionist movement from the '20s and '30s. Saying they > were the "children of Fritz Lang" and the like. Hence probably > also they included the track Metropolis on the album, and the > art work 'inspired by El Lissitzky'. The lip stick and white > powder and epilated brows (indeed!) are simply part of this style. Oh, and of course the fact that there are only three colours in the Man Machine covers, black, red and white. What a concept. Rick -- rick@sara.nl From kraftwerk-request Mon May 24 04:13:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26272 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 24 May 1993 04:13:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199305240913.AA26272@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26248 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 24 May 1993 04:13:33 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net(EUnetD-2.2.5.e) via EUnet id AT08081; Mon, 24 May 1993 11:12:07 +0200 Received: by incom.rhein-main.de (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.19) id ; Sat, 22 May 93 20:35 EET Received: by hal.rhein-main.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0nwwqB-000w8sC; Sat, 22 May 93 18:54 MET DST Date: Sat, 22 May 93 18:54 MET DST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Klangwerk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1-ISO PL9] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O Really-From: alex@hal.rhein-main.de (Alexander Lehmann) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Bruce_M._Lloyd wrote: : : Now to change the subject completely... : : Anyone familiar with a German techno band named Klangwerk? I have one of : their 12" singles and it is very Kraftwerk-ish. I've got a few German : imports that are chuck full of very obvious Kraftwerk samples and rip-offs. : Klangwerk are a two person project from around Frankfurt/Main. They released some 12"es on Abfahrt (that's the label of the Culture Beat guy Thorsten Fenslau). As far as I now they have not released an album and have stopped releasing records under their name, since they have changed the record company. The project is now called LDC and have released an album. Releases from Klangwerk/LDC (not complete, probably): Klangwerk: Klangwerk/Wollt Ihr? Die Kybernauten/Weiter geht's + Remix LDC: Die Schwarze Zone + Remix (T)Raumreise Album (dunno the name) I wouldn't say that they sound that Kraftwerk-ish, but try to sound like all the belgian stuff that was (is) quite popular in the Frankfurt scene. -- add ASCII picture of you favorite body part here :-) seriously, I'd suggest that Terre should read the Emily Postnews article in news.announce.newsusers bye, Alexander Lehmann -- Alexander Lehmann, alex@hal.rhein-main.de | "Wopp" or alexlehm@iti.informatik.th-darmstadt.de | - ( THHGTTG Pt.3 ) From kraftwerk-request Sun May 23 22:31:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA15065 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 24 May 1993 05:31:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199305241031.AA15065@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from relay1.UU.NET by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14967 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 24 May 1993 05:31:33 -0500 Received: from nyx.cs.du.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA29299; Mon, 24 May 93 06:31:32 -0400 Received: by nyx.cs.du.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11403; Mon, 24 May 93 04:31:47 MDT Date: Mon, 24 May 93 04:31:47 MDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions or correct identity of users. Subject: Hello! I'm new Status: O Really-From: lpieri@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lapo Pieri) Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Have I read right? Kraftwerk will play in Italy just before releasing new album? Someting similar hapened with THE MIX in early '90 and I hope it hapen again could someone give me some information in addition to this? Lapo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deshalb hutet mich gut / Mich den Genius der Energie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kraftwerk-request Wed May 26 15:12:11 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07644 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 26 May 1993 06:12:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199305261112.AA07644@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from charon.cwi.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07628 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 26 May 1993 06:12:17 -0500 Received: from gans.cwi.nl by charon.cwi.nl with SMTP id AA11738 (5.65b/3.8/CWI-Amsterdam); Wed, 26 May 1993 13:12:13 +0200 Received: by gans.cwi.nl with SMTP id AA05786 (5.65b/3.8/CWI-Amsterdam); Wed, 26 May 1993 13:12:12 +0200 Subject: groningen concert (with SPOILERS) Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 13:12:11 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Peter de Waal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Beep, beep, Just got back from Groningen, where I went to see the Kraftwerk concert yesterday. I'll just post a mini review here, (quit now if you don't want to know.......) mainly because there's not so much to tell :-(. The show was almost exactly the same as the one I saw in Utrecht, 1991, including the order of the songs. Apart from some boings that had been changed into tsjacks (and vice versa), the most noteworthy differences were: - They did a performance of "The Man Machine". (a live premiere?) - The mannequin films during "The Model" were different. They are still pictures from the 1950's (or 1960's ?) though, like the original ones that also appear in the video. - The "Musique non-stop" encore was much shorter. There were no solos of the individual members this time. - There was nobody playing percussion this time, but at least three members were playing notebook :-). It was a nice show, in a relatively small hall (700 people) and I didn't regret taking all the trouble to travel to Groningen (2 hours and 15 minutes by train one way), but I would have liked to see/hear more new stuff than just the Man Machine song... Bye, and remember: Anybody can make electronic music. --- Peter de Waal, CWI, Amsterdam --- Are we live or on disk? From kraftwerk-request Thu May 27 00:51:51 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09524 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 26 May 1993 15:52:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199305262052.AA09524@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sally.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09506 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 26 May 1993 15:51:59 -0500 Received: from hathi (hathi.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/sally-1) id AA23714; Wed, 26 May 93 22:51:02 +0200 Received: by hathi (4.1/POOL.3) id AA19169; Wed, 26 May 93 22:51:52 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: groningen concert (with SPOILERS) Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 22:51:51 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199305261112.AA07644@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at May 26, 93 01:12:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu My God! I am quite disappointed to read that review from Peter. I wonder if its worth to go 300K`s just for seeing the 91 Show again.... (But I got the tickets already and look forward to meet some people from the list and more.... ) Es wird immer weitergeh`n - Musik als Traeger von Ideen. -- Lutz lupo@Pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.de "We gain our innocence - by taking yours." From kraftwerk-request Thu May 27 03:33:04 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03106 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 27 May 1993 03:33:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199305270833.AA03106@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03094 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 27 May 1993 03:33:04 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 27 May 93 10:33 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA180205, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: groningen concert (with SPOILERS) In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 26 May 93 22:51:51 O. <199305262052.AA09524@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 27 May 93 10:31:26 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > My God! > I am quite disappointed to read that review from Peter. > I wonder if its worth to go 300K`s just for seeing the 91 Show again.... > (But I got the tickets already and look forward to meet some people > from the list and more.... ) I must say I was a bit disappointed too, but it still is great to see and hear them performing 'live'. 'Live', because it is not really a live performance. This was the 3rd show since The Mix I attended (Brixton in '91, Stop Sellafield in '92, Groningen '93) and nothing has audiably or visibly changed, apart from Florian's fan. In 1981 you really could see them work and play things, not so now. For minutes on end you'll see band members just holding their fingers on some button or slider. Florian's vocoded lyrics are not sung/spoken live, but come from a sampler or whatever. Also, I didn't notice a lot of activity of lights and things in the equipment itself that I could relate to the music really. In 1981 they had a nice big panel, that I think may have been a sequencer, where you could see lots of little lights wandering around with the music. I think an audience needs this kind of 'feedback' really. So all in all: if you have already seen them live it might be a bit of a disappointment if you expect anything new. Even the quote at the end of this message is not new. I'm getting the feeling 'Kraftwerk' currently might have become a side activity for them. A nice hobby, fun to play with, but not any more their main task. This is pure speculation of mine of course :) The Groningen hall, or the audience, was very unfit for this concert, as people would stand in front of the stage, obscuring the view for the people in the first row. Who, naturally, also would stand up, thus obscuring the view for people on the second row. Who, naturally, also would stand up, thus obscuring the view for the people in the third row. Who, naturally would also stand up, thus obscuring the view for people in the fourth row. Etc. Needless to say within a minute everyone was standing up. What a bunch of jerks, especially those two tall guys who insisted on remaining standing up right in the middle in front of the rest of us. Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl "Everybody can make electronic music" -Huetter From kraftwerk-request Thu May 27 07:19:41 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08268 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 27 May 1993 07:19:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199305271219.AA08268@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08241 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 27 May 1993 07:19:41 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 27 May 93 14:19 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA199682, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); Subject: The Man Machine lyrics Date: Thu, 27 May 93 14:18:08 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu One good thing from the concert is that I can now set right the vocoded lyrics of the Man Machine. I always was close tho: Man Machine Thing and human being Man Machine Semi human being Mensch Machine Ein Wesen und ein Ding Mensch Machine Ein Wesen und ein Ueberding -- rick@sara.nl She's a module and she's looking good From kraftwerk-request Thu May 27 09:10:43 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12799 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 27 May 1993 12:10:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199305271710.AA12799@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from msupa.pa.msu.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12786 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 27 May 1993 12:10:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 13:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: re: '81 tour dates X-Vmsmail-To: MX%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Status: O Really-From: MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: Jose Garcia >This message I'm sending is on behalf of Paul Wilkinson, who is writing >an article about the 1981 tour for AKTIVITAET (the unofficial KW fanzine). >He has the dates for the concerts in UK and Germany (and the date in >Barcelona :) but he still needs info on the dates in the US and the rest >of Europe. Any info would be appreciated. It should have the date, town >and venue, if possible, and better if it's confirmed (sometimes the official >dates are later changed, you know). Send the info to me. July 25, 1981 Detroit, Michigan at Nitro's night club. Confirmation is I was there, and the tape came out great. 8-) John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University From kraftwerk-request Fri May 28 04:05:50 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA16699 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 28 May 1993 08:02:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199305281302.AA16699@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cumc.cornell.edu (PATHMAC.MED.CORNELL.EDU) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA16686 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 28 May 1993 08:02:45 -0500 Received: from QMCUMC.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU by cumc.cornell.edu (5.65c/ECH1.13) id AA07982; Fri, 28 May 1993 09:02:54 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 09:05:50 -0500 Received: from QuickMail by qmcumc.mail.cornell.edu id qm-00001; Fri, 28 May 1993 09:05:50 -0500 X-Mailer: InterCon Dispatcher/SMTP for QuickMail X-Priority: 4 Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 09:05:50 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: NYC Ambient Night Cancellation Status: O Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Well, the upcoming NY ambient night I warned you all about a week ago (the one in which I was extremely vague about the details) has been cancelled. sorry. From kraftwerk-request Fri May 28 06:56:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29894 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 28 May 1993 09:56:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199305281456.AA29894@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from msupa.pa.msu.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29881 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 28 May 1993 09:56:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 10:56:33 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: re: goningen concert X-Vmsmail-To: MX%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Status: O Really-From: MCINTYRE@MSUPA.PA.MSU.EDU Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de >I wonder if its worth to go 300K`s just for seeing the 91 Show again.... Let me put it this way... I had tickets for the 91 American tour that got cancelled. I haven't seen them since 1981. I'd say you should bless your lucky stars. 8-) John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University From kraftwerk-request Fri May 28 07:51:02 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07123 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 28 May 1993 10:57:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199305281557.AA07123@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07108 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 28 May 1993 10:57:44 -0500 Received: from unixd3.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA03476 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Fri, 28 May 1993 11:57:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 11:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: re: goningen concert In-Reply-To: <199305281456.AA29894@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Let me put it this way... I had tickets for the 91 American tour that got > cancelled. I haven't seen them since 1981. I'd say you should bless your > lucky stars. 8-) > > John McIntyre Here, here. I too had tickets for the ill-fated '91 American Tour. I have never seen them live... I know people discussed this before, but why was the tour cancelled? Someone claimed that the European Tour had been such a success that KW decided to play more dates in Europe. Could it have been poor sales? I thought that "The Mix" sold well in the States. Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu "Ich bin der Musikant mit Taschenrechner in der Hand" From kraftwerk-request Fri May 28 16:18:35 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA17804 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 28 May 1993 16:18:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199305282118.AA17804@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA17782 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 28 May 1993 16:18:35 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 28 May 93 23:18 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA149039, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: goningen concert In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 28 May 93 11:51:02 D. <199305281557.AA07123@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Fri, 28 May 93 23:17:01 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > I know people discussed this before, but why > was the tour cancelled? Its not economically feasible at the moment for European bands to tour the US. Rick -- rick@sara.nl "Denn Zeit is Geld" From kraftwerk-request Fri May 28 17:12:51 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA23939 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 28 May 1993 17:12:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199305282212.AA23939@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA23923 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 28 May 1993 17:12:51 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 29 May 93 0:13 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA150756, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: Elektric Music "Esperanto" In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 14 May 93 11:36:49 O. <199305140937.AA22342@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Sat, 29 May 93 00:11:19 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu In message <199305140937.AA22342@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: Ola Torstensson Well, it was quite a nice review actually, I'll add a few remarks of mine. The covert art is by Emil Schult. At first I thought it was "Emil goes Mao", judging his signature and the rising sun, but I think the design depicts an elektric generator's rotor really. The cd's label is nicely integrated with the rest. Still I really like the cover of Crosstalk a lot better. Strange they packaged that awful track in such a nice cover. > As you can tell from its length, this is not the same version of "TV" as on > the CD single. It's mostly the same, but after about 3:30 it heads off into > an instrumental playout (with more samples); TV: And a great playout it is, my fav piece on the cd. They really create very nice orchestral 'spacious' sounds, just like Kraftwerk in some of their tracks. "World news! With over 5 million households already tuned in" - If this isn't a sample of David Suchet on Sky or Super Channel a while back... Showbusiness: apparently EM has the same aversion to stardom as Kraftwerk, as they make a lot of fuss about phoney images, loss of private life and such. Kissing the Maid Machine of Orleans: well, this is OMD. The OMD sound, the sappy voice, everything OMD fans will like. Not bad marketing I'd say, get OMD to do a track on your album, and at least you'll get yourself known with the OMD fans. Good for a starting band! Lifestyle: Another one about the downside of showbusiness. I like the playing around with the voice samples in this one, they sound warm and not scratchy like elsewhere. Some pieces sound as if they are played backwards. Anyone with a tape recorder confirm this? Crosstalk: this is the only track I really don't like. Nasty scratchy cut-off voice samples. Information: again one of those great sounding orchestral intros with a very nice bass. I wish it continued like that, but then the scratchy voice samples break in again. Esperanto: at first I thought the lyrics were rather rude, but I think it in fact is: "you've got the perfect Pitch, for the universal language". Pitch, and not bitch. Overdrive: really deserves its name. The first time I heard this track I thought it was a hell of a lot of noise, but after a few times it sort of grew on me. I like it, its a kind of electronic jam session with rather sharp percussion. Quite some tracks on Esperanto are Kraftwerky. Some similarities I noticed: TV: I press the key, and watch tv (Pocket Calculator?) Showbusiness: Dive in through the looking glass, just like the greatest stars... Lifestyle: this one's got the theme of Computer World, and Madonna's vogueing :-) Crosstalk: has several Tschak and Bengs that might be familiar Esperanto: this one's got a similar theme as Its More Fun To Compute In general I *quite* like this record, I just wish it was available without the nasty scratchy voice samples. Anyone seen a video on MTV yet? Rick -- rick@sara.nl "beep beep! Zoooom" From kraftwerk-request Sat May 29 16:16:25 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22007 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 29 May 1993 16:16:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199305292116.AA22007@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cats.UCSC.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21993 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 29 May 1993 16:16:25 -0500 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.UCSC.EDU with SMTP id AA23669; Sat, 29 May 93 14:16:22 -0700 Received: by am.ucsc.edu (5.65/4.7) id AA18213; Sat, 29 May 93 14:16:20 -0700 X-Old-Cc: cspot@cats.UCSC.EDU Subject: Re: goningen concert In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 28 May 93 23:17:01 +0100. <199305282118.AA17804@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Sat, 29 May 93 14:16:20 +45722824 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Status: O Really-From: "Chris.Hilker" Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Rick Jansen writes: >> I know people discussed this before, but why >> was the tour cancelled? >Its not economically feasible at the moment for European bands >to tour the US. I don't buy this explanation for the simple reason that I've always been told that it was the Kraftwerkers' independent wealth that allowed them the luxury of experimenting with music, building studios, etc. If they had really wanted to tour the US, I don't think money would have stopped them. C. -- hilker!chris (cspot@cats.ucsc.edu) "My home is Vulcan and everybody likes me there and they don't call me freak." Life is fair. There, I said it. If anyone asks, you can tell them I did. From kraftwerk-request Sun May 30 21:53:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01301 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 30 May 1993 12:53:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199305301753.AA01301@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01285 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 30 May 1993 12:53:30 -0500 Received: from London.DoCS.UU.SE by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA21135; Sun, 30 May 1993 19:53:23 +0200 Received: by London.DoCS.UU.SE (Sun-4/20, SunOS 4.1.1) with sendmail 5.61-bind 1.5+ida/ICU/DoCS id AA03717; Sun, 30 May 93 19:53:21 +0200 Date: Sun, 30 May 93 19:53:21 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Elektric Music Status: O Really-From: Mikael Lundgren Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu While listening to this excellent album, I found a 'theft' which I thought was quite amusing: On one of the tracks (I don't remember which now, I'll check when I get home tonight) I clearly recognized the backbeat in a passage. Guess what? 'Planet Rock', the Africa Bambaata cover of TEE! A former member of KW sampling a cover of one of his 'old' songs :) Otherwise I agree with the reviews posted. It's a good album, with a lot of songs that could well pass on the dance floor. And I bet Mr. McCluskey wished that OMD sounded more like this... () Mikael (Vick) Lundgren | University of Uppsala, Sweden O ____ () () vick@bern.docs.uu.se {-|>*CSD - Computer Science Dept. o /.. \/| () () Studying CS @ ---------|>*DOCS - Dept. of Computer Systems (----) | )) () () Remember: Four bananas always add up to a plectrum. \____/\| () From kraftwerk-request Mon May 31 11:11:17 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA05613 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 31 May 1993 13:15:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199305311815.AA05613@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from guardian.apple.com by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA05593 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 31 May 1993 13:15:03 -0500 Received: from [90.1.0.15] by guardian.apple.com with SMTP (5.65/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA16962; Mon, 31 May 93 11:09:26 -0700 for Received: from magic-bbs.corp.apple.com by jumbo.apple.com with SMTP (5.64/26-Oct-1992-eef) id AA21453; Mon, 31 May 93 11:08:56 PDT for dat91oto@ludat.lth.se Received: from MAGIC (32688) by magic-bbs.corp.apple.com (PostalUnion/SMTP 1.1 TNG I) id AA32688.863025; Mon, 31 May 1993 13:08:40 EST X-Old-Cc: dat91oto@ludat.lth.se From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Organization: Macintosh Awareness Group In Canada Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 16:11:17 EST Subject: Re: Elektric Music "Espera Status: O Really-From: Bruce_M._Lloyd@magic-bbs.corp.apple.com Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu What is the possibility of mailing a cassette and getting a copy of this album? According to the people here, Electrik Music isn't available. Even tthe CBC hasn't heard of it, and they have a stockpile of new and obscure stuff.. Bruce CBC = Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, a good imitation of the BBC From kraftwerk-request Sun May 30 .:14:44 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14002 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 31 May 1993 15:14:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199305312014.AA14002@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from xs4all.hacktic.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13984 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 31 May 1993 15:14:18 -0500 Received: by xs4all.hacktic.nl id AA15537 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Mon, 31 May 1993 22:12:46 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: introduction Date: Mon, 31 May 1993 22:12:44 -40962758 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Hello I want to introduce myself to this board. My name is Peter van Dam. I'm a fanatic Kraftwerk listener and collector. I've been listening to Kraftwerk since 1978 ( Man-machine ). I live in Holland in the city of Amersfoort. Next to Kraftwerk I enjoy listening to all kinds of electronics, especially to TD, Schulze and old electronics from before 1970. I also collect old progressive rock. Anyone who is interested in exchanging records with me can contact me on bombuzal@hacktic.nl From kraftwerk-request Tue Jun 1 11:35:29 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00875 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 1 Jun 1993 04:36:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199306010936.AA00875@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00860 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 1 Jun 1993 04:36:27 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GYV24AD5GW9ULS2H@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 1 Jun 1993 11:35:29 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 11:35:29 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Odd KW CD's Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu >Really-From: David Datta > >: Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz >: I guess I always considered KW a studio group, so I haven't gotten >: any of these concert CD's. Am I missing out? ... > >Kraftwerk has not released ANY live material. All of the live CDs you >are finding are audience recordings. >... but none of them have really good sound quality. Well, there's an excellent concert in Japan '81 available on bootleg CD, and it has really good quality, and is VERY enjoyable. It's available on several releases: Numbers Virtu ex Machina Nippon Numbers The only difference among them is the title and packaging. If you get the back issues of the digest, you'll find some info on bootlegs. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon May 31 .:44:50 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26942 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 1 Jun 1993 15:44:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199306012044.AA26942@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from xs4all.hacktic.nl ([193.78.33.42]) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26922 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 1 Jun 1993 15:44:48 -0500 Received: by xs4all.hacktic.nl id AA12696 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Tue, 1 Jun 1993 22:42:50 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) Sender: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: Re: Odd KW CD's Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 22:42:50 -40962758 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199306010936.AA00875@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Jun 1, 93 11:35:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Really-From: bombuzal Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu > > >Really-From: David Datta > > > >: Really-From: Terre Thaemlitz > > >: I guess I always considered KW a studio group, so I haven't gotten > >: any of these concert CD's. Am I missing out? ... > > > >Kraftwerk has not released ANY live material. All of the live CDs you > >are finding are audience recordings. > >... but none of them have really good sound quality. > > Well, there's an excellent concert in Japan '81 available on bootleg CD, > and it has really good quality, and is VERY enjoyable. It's available > on several releases: > > Numbers > Virtu ex Machina > Nippon Numbers > > The only difference among them is the title and packaging. > > If you get the back issues of the digest, you'll find some info on > bootlegs. > I can deliver this CD to you for DM 35,--. I also can deliver the CD "The Remix" for DM 35,--. ( US$ 20,-- is good as well ).