From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 1 04:54:56 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09799 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 1 Apr 1993 04:55:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199304011055.AA09799@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09787 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Apr 1993 04:54:56 -0600 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <18204-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Thu, 1 Apr 1993 12:54:50 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA21481; Thu, 1 Apr 93 12:54:41 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Concert Osnabrueck Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 12:54:40 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma --------------------------------------------------------------------------- H. Boorsma (TN-SV) | Technische Universiteit Delft | e-mail: Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl| --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi There, My last message did'n get through really. So I'll try it again: Here follows some information concerning the Kraftwerk Concert : The concert in Osnabrueck (Germany) is part of the 'KlangArt' festival from May 26 to May 29. The festival covers a wide area of electronic music, from 'Academic-style' music unto a 'Tekkno Party' that marks the end of the festival. There are also MIDI-workshops and an exposition of Sound- and multimedia devices. Other actvities are open-air Multimedia events , etc. Artists: Peter Michael Hamel, Steve Roach, Elmar Schulte, Jasper van't Hoff,..... I am not going to type the full information here. If you want a program, contact: Forum Musik Und Elektronik Osnabrueck e.V. Heger-Tor-Wall 19 4500 Osnabrueck Germany tel.: int.acc.code + 49.541.432303. If you are only interested in getting Kraftwerk Concert tickets, you can call the ticket service: int. acc. code + 49.541.83019 (In these numbers : 49 for Germany) They sent my tickets 'Unter Nachname', that is I believe C.O.D. (Cash on delivery) in English. Prices are DM 44.- for the Kraftwerk Concert and DM 99.- for the whole festival. If you're a student or something like that, you might get a discount to DM33.-/DM66.- Plus the COD-fares, ofcourse. If anyone needs more info, please let me know. Hillebrand Boorsma ama From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 2 01:19:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29149 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 2 Apr 1993 01:19:27 -0600 Message-Id: <199304020719.AA29149@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ee.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29137 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 2 Apr 1993 01:19:21 -0600 Received: by ee.tut.fi id AA20045 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Fri, 2 Apr 1993 10:19:13 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Virtu ex Machina / Calculator (!?) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 93 10:19:13 EET DST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne Kling klang! Yesterday I found my first kwbootlegcd and I don't remember if the information has been here or not but I guess it won't hurt to know of a _good_ cd twice ;) Here's the text I prepared yesterday at home when listening to it: Kraftwerk - Virtu ex Machina Recorded Live on Soundboard-equipment Tokio 7.9. 1981 Total playing time: 72.38 This CD ha NOT been authorized by Ralf+Florian. Produced for the RHEINGOLD-SYNDIKAT by Dr. Faust (under heavy attack of Mephisto). (C) 1992 DEUTSCH-JAPANISCHE FREUNDSCHAFT-TONTRDGER. D\SSELDORF KLON 1992001 1:59 1. Beethoven-Intro 1:10 2. Nummern / Numbers 5:11 3. Komputerwelt / Computerworld 5:36 4. Komputerliebe / Computer Love 4:49 5. Heimkomputer / Homecomputer 8:15 6. Neonlicht / Neonlights 17:35 7. Autobahn 5:35 8. Schaufensterpuppen / Showroom Dummies 9:18 9. Trans Europa Express / Trans Europe Express 7:05 10. Die Roboter / The Robots 8:02 11. It's more fun to computer * ===== 74:35 (Times taken with my Yamaha CDX-450) * This is actually spelled like this on the backcover 2-5,8-11 Sung in english 6 Started in english then switched to german 7 Sung in german The froncover is the insidecoverpicture from Man-Machine with titles in yellow at the top. The backcover is black with text in yellow. On the back there is a smaller picture of 4 Kraftwerkmember puppets/dolls, the first one is holding a camera. The soundquality is _excellent_ for a livebootleg. It is so good that this could almost be a studioalbum. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that it was recorded in Japan. ;) The crowd noises are minimal (not during the songs except in 'Autobahn' when the song seems to stop but then continues for 4 minutes and in 'Robots' when the crowd recognises it). All songs are very different from the album versions. For example 'Robots' begins with very different sounds and much slower but then speeds up to almost normal speed (about 106 bpm). They don't use much vocoder on the songs (in places where it normally is used) with the exception of 'Autobahn' (the beginning) and 'Robots' (in which when vocoder is used they use quite a lot pitchbending). After the slowed down 'Robots' the last track seems almost too fast (about 160 bpm) with lots of new effects. This is the most different version of the songs perfomed. The funny thing is that the information printed on the CD differs from the ones on the cover. First it has the title 'Calculator' on it. The code is Kraft 1981 (this is also on the 'textring' of the CD). It's ADD. The other texts are in german (which I understand but don't translate 'cause I'd probably make some stupid mistakes ;). Texts are: Eine Husch + Schubart Produktion Wiedertitel und Informationen auf dem Beilegezettel Spielzeit: vierundsiebzigminutenund vierunddreissigsekunden. I don't know which one to believe the cover or the CD (probably the CD, but the information on the cover doesn't differ from what it sounds on the CD. ie. it only differs on productioncredits & cdcode). *End of prepared text* I paid about 21 USD for it [the 'normal' price for the bootlegcds in the store I buy them (actually that price is only 1-2 USD higher than the normal CDs over here in Finland. Outrageous isn't it ? :( )]. I'm quite happy with it but sometimes I get the feeling it's not the kraftwerk playing but someone else ;) 'Life kills.' JS From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 2 01:54:54 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA04147 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 2 Apr 1993 11:54:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199304021754.AA04147@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from julia.math.ucla.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA04129 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 2 Apr 1993 11:54:13 -0600 Received: from oak.math.ucla.edu by julia.math.ucla.edu via SMTP (Sendmail 5.61/1.07) id AA26816; Fri, 2 Apr 93 09:54:55 -0800 Return-Path: Received: by oak.math.ucla.edu (Sendmail 5.61/1.07) id AA15728; Fri, 2 Apr 93 09:54:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 93 09:54:54 -0800 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: bootleg CD Status: O Really-From: Dan Clegg I recently saw a bootleg in stores and was wondering if anyone knew anything about it. I couldn't tell the title, but it has a picture of a fancy cigarette lighter on the cover. I believe it is a double CD set in a regular sized jewel case. It was $50, which seemed a little expensive........anyone familiar with this one? thanks, --dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dan clegg Is all that we see or seem dclegg@math.ucla.edu but a dream within a dream? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 2 07:44:41 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03677 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 2 Apr 1993 17:44:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199304022344.AA03677@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03666 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 2 Apr 1993 17:44:41 -0600 Received: by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65b/7.1ju) id AA01007; Fri, 2 Apr 93 15:44:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 93 15:44:41 -0800 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Return-Path: Subject: there's still hope for "Information" Status: O Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) In an article in "Keyboard" magazine, LFO are *still* saying they are recording a song with Elektric Music called Information. They talk about having a few different mixes, one of which will be just 5 seconds long, and which they would like to license to CNN (that's Cable News Network, a TV station in the US) for use as a tag on one of their programs. [BTW the article is mostly written for people who have never even heard of techno - but there is a bit of interesting info on the equipment that LFO, Orbital, the Orb and the Shamen use.] -Richard From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 5 19:50:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27166 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 12:49:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199304051749.AA27166@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27143 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 12:49:42 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWNWOCND689YCG69@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 5 Apr 1993 19:50:00 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 19:50:00 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: bootleg CD Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Dan Clegg > > I recently saw a bootleg in stores and was wondering if anyone knew > anything about it. I couldn't tell the title, but it has a picture of > a fancy cigarette lighter on the cover. ... Yes, there's some info about this boot in AKTIVITAT. Don't remember the title now but it's supposed not to have a brilliant sound. My opinion is, if you want to get a good bootleg from the 91 tour, get one of these: N1 to Zurich, sounds excellent. The best one in sound. Doesn't feature the whole concert though. There are other versions of this same CD with different titles, and sound as good as this one (don't remember the title now, but info about it has been posted recently to the list) Rebuilt in '92, excellent sound, plus complete show and extra tracks with studio remixes. It is available as a two separate CDs, vols 1 and 2. >From the '81 era, get one of: Numbers, brilliant sound. Virtu ex Machina, same as above, same concert. and it's available under other titles also. It is one of the Japanese concerts in 81, with excellent sound and brilliant performance. Really good! The only problem is that it doesn't have the full show. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 6 07:08:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18765 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 6 Apr 1993 16:08:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199304062108.AA18765@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18749 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 6 Apr 1993 16:08:45 -0500 Received: by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65b/7.1ju) id AA28956; Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:08:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 14:08:47 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Return-Path: Subject: PLanet Rock/Electrik Music promo Status: O Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) Concerning the Planet Rock remix promo... I picked it up. Would the person who wanted to buy it e-mail me? For the discography: Afrika Bambataa and the Soulsonic Force: "Don't Stop... Planet Rock" promo, 1992 Tommy Boy TBCD 538 1 - Classic Mix by Electric [sic] Music 4:00 2 - Original Instrumental by Afrika Bambataa and the Soulsonic Force 4:00 Sorry to take up bandwidth but I lost both e-mail addresses. Richard From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 7 03:57:50 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA10336 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 03:57:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199304070857.AA10336@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA10324 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 03:57:50 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 7 Apr 93 10:57 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA143289, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); Subject: TEE - Bowie - V2 Schneider Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 10:57:21 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen As most of us on here will remember, Trans Europe Express has a line: "From station to station back to Dusseldorf city, Meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie" David Bowie as a reply did V2 Schneider (on Heroes?). Anyone an idea why Bowie named it V2 Schneider? It does not seem a compliment really, the V2 being 'Vergeltung 2' - meaning 'Revenge 2' - the German war weapon from WW II. Anyone? Rick. -- rick@sara.nl She's a Module and she's looking good From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 7 04:03:01 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA10804 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 04:03:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199304070903.AA10804@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA10776 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 04:03:01 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 7 Apr 93 11:02 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA143888, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); Subject: Tour de France in the film Breakdance Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 11:02:29 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen One of my Tour de France 12"'s claims TDF is 'Featured in the film Breakdance'. Did any of you ever see that film? Rick. -- rick@sara.nl She's a Module and she's looking good From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 7 05:27:18 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22205 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 05:27:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199304071027.AA22205@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22075 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 05:27:18 -0500 Received: from ume.cs.umu.se by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA19284; Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:27:15 +0200 Received: from ersboda.cs.umu.se by ume.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA13893; Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:27:13 +0200, auth dvlawm X-Auth-From: dvlawm Received: by ersboda.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA15180; Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:26:19 +0200 Return-Path: From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: TEE - Bowie - V2 Schneider Date: Wed, 7 Apr 93 12:26:16 MET DST In-Reply-To: <199304070857.AA10336@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 7, 93 10:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se > > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > > As most of us on here will remember, Trans Europe Express has a line: > "From station to station back to Dusseldorf city, > Meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie" > > David Bowie as a reply did V2 Schneider (on Heroes?). > > Anyone an idea why Bowie named it V2 Schneider? It does not > seem a compliment really, the V2 being 'Vergeltung 2' - meaning > 'Revenge 2' - the German war weapon from WW II. > Anyone? > As far as I know, Bowie dedicated "Heroes" to Kraftwerk. Hmmm, V2 Shneider... Didn`t OMD have such a song too? /anders -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * trafo@unitech.se * feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 7 05:32:48 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01096 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 05:32:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199304071032.AA01096@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00885 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 05:32:48 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 7 Apr 93 12:32 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA153628, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); Subject: Live recordings Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 12:32:19 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen I've seen quite a few listings of songs played live on this list now, and they're usually the same songs over and over. In 1981 in Utrecht they played a fabulous version of Metropolis, which I consider their best piece live so far. Oddly enough I've never seen it on any other concert listing. Anyone who did? Another fav of mine is Europe Endless. Have any of you ever seen that on a bootleg? -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl She's a Motel and she's looking good From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 7 18:45:49 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09350 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 11:46:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199304071646.AA09350@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09298 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 11:45:36 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWQN8M08349YCHF8@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 7 Apr 1993 18:45:49 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 18:45:49 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: PLanet Rock/Electrik Music promo Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Hi Richard, I'm not the one who was interested on it, but if you don't find him/her, I can take it. Was it a 12" or a CD? Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 7 18:58:09 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11059 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 11:58:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199304071658.AA11059@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA11022 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 11:58:23 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWQNNEV6I89ZLEHT@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 7 Apr 1993 18:58:09 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 18:58:09 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Autobahn CD in longbox wanted Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Sorry about my previous mail though the list. I'm looking for the US Autobahn CD on the Elektra label, with its original picture longbox. Longboxed CDs have been discontinued I think, so it should be from a shop that stocks it, or someone wants to sell his copy? Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 7 19:11:48 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13055 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:12:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199304071712.AA13055@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13023 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:12:03 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWQNTOBRNK9ZLEHT@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 7 Apr 1993 19:11:49 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 19:11:48 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Live recordings Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > I've seen quite a few listings of songs played live on this list now, > and they're usually the same songs over and over. Yes, that's right. Well I guess it ain't easy to reprogram all their gear so I guess improvisations in the songs to include in a concert are more than difficult. They have the same tracks, but there are versions of the same songs that are different. One of my faves is "It's more fun to compute" from the Sept. 81 concert in Japan. By the way, I've just seen today another version of this concert. The CD is titled something like "Japan Numbers". The cover is brilliant, a live colour pic. I might get it just for the cover! > In 1981 in Utrecht > they played a fabulous version of Metropolis, which I consider their > best piece live so far. Oddly enough I've never seen it on any other > concert listing. Anyone who did? Did you attend that concert? I don't remember if this one is in the "Computers in love" 2CD. A guess is that there's not a single boot with the whole performance of any of the 81 shows. I thought "Computers in love" had the whole show, but at least it has the "Ohm sweet ohm" edited, which is a pity. > Another fav of mine is Europe Endless. Have any of you ever seen that > on a bootleg? I'm sure they played this track in the '77 tour, but I have never heard about a bootleg from this tour. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 7 09:51:17 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18668 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:55:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199304071755.AA18668@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18645 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:54:55 -0500 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6327; Wed, 07 Apr 93 13:54:59 EDT Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4893; Wed, 7 Apr 1993 13:54:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 93 13:51:17 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Autobahn CD in longbox wanted In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 7 Apr 1993 18:58:09 GMT+0200 Status: O Really-From: Eric On Wed, 7 Apr 1993 18:58:09 GMT+0200 you said: >Really-From: Jose Garcia ... >I'm looking for the US Autobahn CD on the Elektra label, with its original >picture longbox. Longboxed CDs have been discontinued I think, so it should >be from a shop that stocks it, or someone wants to sell his copy? I (and maybe others on the list) would like to know why you want it. Sure, I have a copy & might even have the longbox, but I'm not ready to give it up. You know, I had a feeling that longboxes would have some value to collectors someday. I just didn't expect it to happen so soon. --Eric "She is amodal and she's looking good" :) From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 7 09:50:56 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19194 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:58:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199304071758.AA19194@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19179 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 12:58:19 -0500 Received: from unixd2.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA10068 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Wed, 7 Apr 1993 13:58:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 13:50:56 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: was TEE - Bowie V2 Schneider In-Reply-To: <199304070857.AA10336@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah > > As most of us on here will remember, Trans Europe Express has a line: > "From station to station back to Dusseldorf city, > Meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie" > [deleted] A different question: why was this line ommitted from the TEE on "The Mix"? Ravi Shah University of Pittsburgh shah+@pitt.edu From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 02:35:29 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14900 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 02:35:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199304080735.AA14900@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14851 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 02:35:29 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 8 Apr 93 9:35 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA140378, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: was TEE - Bowie V2 Schneider In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 07 Apr 93 13:50:56 D. <199304071758.AA19194@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 09:35:04 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen In message <199304071758.AA19194@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: Ravindra S Shah > > > > As most of us on here will remember, Trans Europe Express has a line: > > "From station to station back to Dusseldorf city, > > Meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie" > > > [deleted] > > A different question: why was this line ommitted from the TEE on "The > Mix"? Because, of course, it's a silly line. I always wondered why Kraftwerk made a reference to Iggy Pop anyway. Bowie, alright, but Pop? If I remember right those were the days a stoned&drunk Iggy Pop would make a mess of any tv studio where he was fil... eh.. videoed. -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl She's a mokkel and she's looking good From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 03:21:30 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA16685 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 03:21:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199304080821.AA16685@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA16673 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 03:21:30 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <24004-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 10:21:21 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA04911; Thu, 8 Apr 93 10:21:07 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Balanescu Quartet Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 10:21:04 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma --------------------------------------------------------------------------- H. Boorsma (TN-SV) | Technische Universiteit Delft | Faculteit der Technische Natuurkunde | e-mail: Boorsma@duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl| --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi there, Since I'm not on the list for too long, I don't know if this is duplicate information. If so, then skip it and please accept my apologies. Yeasterday, afriend told me about the CD 'Possesed' from the Balanescu (or something like that) quartet, label : MUTE CD STUM 111. I ran to the store to get it and it's GREAT: there are adaptations for string quartet of 5 Kraftwerk songs, all approx. 6 minutes : The Robots, The Model, Autobahn, Computerlove and ... O my .. I forgot. Also on it are some compositions of the leader of the quartet, one featuring Miranda Sex Garden. And there's an adaptation of a David Byrne song. The quality of the adaptations is really good. The musicians even imitate the starting car at the beginning of autobahn and use the Cello as a drum on The Robots. The cover is inspired by El Lizitsky. That should ring a bell. If yu live in Holland: the quartet will give a concert in Paradiso on monday April 19. The subtitle of the announcement was: The Kraftwerk concert. Sorry for the bad typing... I'm working from rlogin by approx. 1 character per second. Hillebrand From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 11:17:32 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19993 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 04:20:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199304080920.AA19993@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19981 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 04:20:01 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWRLQXR1RK9YCIY0@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 11:17:33 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 11:17:32 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > ... >Yesterday, afriend told me about the CD 'Possesed' from the Balanescu (or somet >hing like that) quartet, label : MUTE CD STUM 111. I ran to the store to get it >and it's GREAT: > ... Sounds interesting! Anyone else has heard this CD? Is your opinion similar? > If yu live in Holland: the quartet will give a concert in Paradiso on monday > April 19. The subtitle of the announcement was: The Kraftwerk concert. Well, all the interesting concerts are in Holland! I'll have to move there :) Is anyone attending any of the two KW concerts in May (Osnabruck and/or Groningen)? Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 11:47:23 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21107 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 04:47:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199304080947.AA21107@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21092 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 04:47:44 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWRMLGNJWW9ZLEJ8@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 11:47:23 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 11:47:23 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Autobahn CD in longbox wanted Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Eric > > I (and maybe others on the list) would like to know why you want it. Well, it's the only one (I think) that is missing in my KW collection of longboxes. A question for you in the US: has ever been available in picture longbox the "Man Machine" CD ??? And "Trans Europe Express" ??? "Radio-Activity" ??? > Sure, I have a copy & might even have the longbox, but I'm not > ready to give it up. You know, I had a feeling that longboxes would > have some value to collectors someday. I just didn't expect it to > happen so soon. I've been offered help already :) Well, I think they will have some value very soon, so I want to make sure I've got it when this happens :) This might be sooner than expected. With the discontinuation of the longbox package in the US... Plus imports of them are not very common in Europe, or they are expensive. Don't know if anyone is into collecting these longboxes, but I highly recommend to get hold of the one from "Computer World". Very nice packaging. The longbox has the picture of two of the dummies that can be seen working with the Kling Klang setup in the inner sleeve of the LP. It's deafinitely the most interesting one. Jose Garcia "La musica ideas portara pepeg@ctivax.uab.es y siempre continuara. Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" -Techno pop- From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 07:35:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18003 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 07:35:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199304081235.AA18003@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA17991 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 07:35:33 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <26245-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:35:27 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA21202; Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:35:19 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Concerts Osnabrueck & Groningen Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:35:18 METDST In-Reply-To: <199304080920.AA19993@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 8, 93 11:17 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > Well, all the interesting concerts are in Holland! I'll have to move there :) If you knew the climate over here, I think you wouldn't be so sure anymore. > > Is anyone attending any of the two KW concerts in May (Osnabruck and/or > Groningen)? Yes, I've got tickets for both of them. If you want to meet me (that's inclu- ding some other Kraftwerk-addicts from Holland) or other Mail-listers, we'll have to make some kind of appointment (wearing T-shirts with our Mail adresses, for example). I'll send you my private adress in the forseeable future. > > Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es > By the way, wouldn't it be a good idea to distribute information about this listat the concerts ? And, as I am talking about organisation: Does anybody of you there know KLEM, the Dutch Electronic Music Magazine (I happen to be a member of it) ? It's in Dutch, so foreign readers may have to take some courses to be able to under- stand it. If you want detailed information, let me know. Hillebrand Boorsma From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 04:33:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18058 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 07:36:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199304081236.AA18058@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from att.att.com (att-out.att.com) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18046 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 07:35:56 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 08:33 EDT Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet Status: O Really-From: rmb@cblph.att.com >Really-From: Jose Garcia >> Really-From: "H." Boorsma >> ... >>Yesterday, afriend told me about the CD 'Possesed' from the Balanescu (or somet >>hing like that) quartet, label : MUTE CD STUM 111. I ran to the store to get it >>and it's GREAT: >> ... > >Sounds interesting! Anyone else has heard this CD? Is your opinion similar? Yes, I have this CD. I recommend it for all Kraftwerk fans. BTW, the other Kraftwerk song is Pocket Calculator. Rich... { Rich Brack /-/ _ i don't want to be your angel } { rmb@cblph.att.com /-/ _|_|_ i want to be your witch! } { \-\/-/ ( * )tch -yello } { \/\/ /^\ } From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 07:46:56 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18677 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 07:47:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199304081247.AA18677@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18663 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 07:46:56 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <26337-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:46:51 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA21238; Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:46:40 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Live recordings Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:46:39 METDST In-Reply-To: <199304071712.AA13055@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 7, 93 7:11 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma > > In 1981 in Utrecht > > they played a fabulous version of Metropolis, which I consider their > > best piece live so far. Oddly enough I've never seen it on any other > > concert listing. Anyone who did? > I don't remember if this one is in the "Computers in love" 2CD. A guess is > that there's not a single boot with the whole performance of any of the 81 > shows. I thought "Computers in love" had the whole show, but at least it > has the "Ohm sweet ohm" edited, which is a pity. The Utrecht concert is certainly not on Computers in Love. As far as I know, that record is from the Brussels concert. Somr tracks of the Utrecht concert are on a rare hi-quality 1CD. I just can't recall the name. A friend of mine has got it, so if you want to know, i'll ask. And for the editing of Ohm Sweet Ohm.. this occures at 45 minutes. apperently the tape ran out. So you can hardly call this editing. It just belongs to the adventure of taping. Hillebrand Boorsma From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 09:50:28 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27858 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 09:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199304081450.AA27858@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27843 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 09:50:28 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <27514-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 16:50:20 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA29469; Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:50:11 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Concert Gent Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 16:50:10 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma Just a very short note: Apart from the concerts in Holland and Germany, KW will play in Gent, Belgium in the same week. Hillebrand Boorsma - Now she's a big succes I want to .... From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 22:57:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29385 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 13:57:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199304081857.AA29385@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29367 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 13:57:43 -0500 Received: from ume.cs.umu.se by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA04017; Thu, 8 Apr 1993 20:57:40 +0200 Received: from backen.cs.umu.se by ume.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA12643; Thu, 8 Apr 93 20:57:38 +0200, auth dvlawm X-Auth-From: dvlawm Received: by backen.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA18857; Thu, 8 Apr 93 20:57:36 +0200 Return-Path: From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: was TEE - Bowie V2 Schneider Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 20:57:33 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199304080735.AA14900@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 8, 93 09:35:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se > > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > In message <199304071758.AA19194@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > > Really-From: Ravindra S Shah > > > > > > As most of us on here will remember, Trans Europe Express has a line: > > > "From station to station back to Dusseldorf city, > > > Meet Iggy Pop and David Bowie" > > > > > [deleted] > > > > A different question: why was this line ommitted from the TEE on "The > > Mix"? According to Ralf Hutter in the Swedish musician-magazine "Musiker Magasinet", that verse had the "zeitgeist" of the seventies and they thought it was outdatet for the nineties. To another question: Does anyone know if Elektric Music will release any album, and/or go on tour? /awm -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * trafo@unitech.se * feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 09:53:09 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06681 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:55:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199304081955.AA06681@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06662 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 14:54:55 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA19144; Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:53:10 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: was TEE - Bowie V2 Schneider Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:53:09 CDT In-Reply-To: <199304080735.AA14900@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 8, 93 9:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > I always wondered why Kraftwerk made a reference > to Iggy Pop anyway. Bowie, alright, but Pop? If > I remember right those were the days a stoned&drunk > Iggy Pop would make a mess of any tv studio where > he was fil... eh.. videoed. Well, sorta. It's kind of in-between two periods where the Igster would be totally out of it. The period that TEE's from and that the line about Bowie and Iggy dates from is the same sort of time where Bowie was living in Europe (his Berlin "retirement", the one that the Eno collaborations "Low" and "Heroes" came out of), and was doing both production on Iggy Pop's albums as well as playing keyboards for Iggy on tour. And Bowie and Iggy did a lot of travelling about together during that period, not only for the touring in Europe, but just kicking about. D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 8 07:18:53 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18629 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 16:18:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199304082118.AA18629@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18602 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 16:18:50 -0500 Received: by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65b/7.1ju) id AA09746; Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:18:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:18:53 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Return-Path: In-Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu's message of Thu, 8 Apr 93 04:00:09 CDT <199304080900.AA19234@cs.uwp.edu> Subject: Long Box / Balanescu Quartet / O.M.D. Status: O Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) > I (and maybe others on the list) would like to know why you want it. Yeah, I was wondering the same thing! > the CD 'Possesed' from the Balanescu quartet, label : MUTE CD ... > The quality of the adaptations is really good. Er, I disagree. I've heard a couple of the tracks, and I thought it came across as a half-baked idea. The cover of The Model is *extremely* literal, or faithful, to the melody lines. They didn't try to transfer anything of the character of Kraftwerk sounds to the string instruments, which would be fine if they had used their instruments for *something*, but they don't. They just play the notes. I think that Ralf and Florian are talented enough musicians to have recognized that if just playing the notes to the Model on violins would make engaging music, they wouldn't have bothered with all those synthesizers! Proceed with caution on this CD, I say. > As far as I know, Bowie dedicated "Heroes" to Kraftwerk. > Hmmm, V2 Shneider... Didn`t OMD have such a song too? You must be thinking of the track "VCL XI" on the album "Organisation". Those letters are supposedly stamped on the back of the radio on the sleeve of "Radio-Activity" (my lame CD omits the back cover). "VCL XI" is one of OMD's less Kraftwerk-esque songs, however. ( FYI the OMD album "Dazzle Ships" stands as an excellent continuation of the themes in Radio-Activity: shortwave broadcasts, time announcements, radio static in the ether... strongly recommended.) Richard From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 9 18:54:15 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20098 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 16:30:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199304082130.AA20098@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cats.UCSC.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20058 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Apr 1993 16:30:19 -0500 Received: from am.UCSC.EDU by cats.UCSC.EDU with SMTP id AA01882; Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:30:15 -0700 Received: by am.ucsc.edu (5.65/4.7) id AA08197; Thu, 8 Apr 93 14:30:15 -0700 X-Old-Cc: cspot@cats.UCSC.EDU Subject: Re: Autobahn CD in longbox wanted In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 08 Apr 93 11:47:23 +0200. <199304080947.AA21107@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 93 14:30:15 +45722824 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: "Chris.Hilker" >Really-From: Jose Garcia >A question for you in the US: has ever been available in picture longbox >the "Man Machine" CD ??? And "Trans Europe Express" ??? "Radio-Activity" ??? As far as I can tell, Capitol Records (the company that released those CD's in the US) had the policy of releasing the first pressing of a CD in a picture longbox (that is, with a reproduction of the album cover). Later pressings were released in a generic box with the Capitol logo, with cutaway portions to allow the jewel box to show through, thus allowing the company to save the money it would have cost to print all those different boxes. I've never seen any of these CD's in picture longboxes, so I can't comment as to whether they were ever released as such, but then they went out of print a year or two ago, so finding a new copy at all is a crapshoot. My guess is that the CD's were initially released in picture longboxes, but this supply soon ran out and was replaced with the generic boxes, and that nobody who bought the picture versions thought at the time of saving them. C. -- hilker!chris (cspot@cats.ucsc.edu) "Alternative music is a government plan to make you think that rave is good." -- z_wallacewm@ccsvax.sfasu.edu "My home is Vulcan and everybody likes me there and they don't call me freak." Life is fair. There, I said it. If anyone asks, you can tell them I did. From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 9 07:32:48 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07330 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 9 Apr 1993 07:33:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199304091233.AA07330@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dcs.ed.ac.uk (stroma.dcs.ed.ac.uk) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07320 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 9 Apr 1993 07:32:48 -0500 Received: from hoy.dcs.ed.ac.uk by dcs.ed.ac.uk id aa03010; 9 Apr 93 13:06 BST Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 13:06:36 BST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: New Book? X-Mailer: MMDF/Ream v5.1.22a Organisation: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science Status: O Really-From: Al Crawford While browsing the latest issue of Record Collector I noticed a mention of a new, authoritative biography of Kraftwerk that's due to be released Real Soon Now. Given Record Collector's usual record (ie if they described something as being "Out Soon" it's usually been out for a couple of months already) has anybody run across a copy of this yet? Al -- Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk Department Of Computer Science, The University of Edinburgh Rm 1410, JCMB, Kings Buildings, Mayfield Rd, EDINBURGH, EH9 3JZ, Scotland Tel: +44 (0) 31 650 5165 Fax: +44 (0) 31 667 7209 From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 9 06:11:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13021 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 9 Apr 1993 09:10:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199304091410.AA13021@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13009 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 9 Apr 1993 09:10:54 -0500 Received: from ACS2.BU.EDU by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA46954; Fri, 9 Apr 93 10:11:01 -0400 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Received: by acs2.bu.edu (5.61+++/Spike-2.1) id AA65578; Fri, 9 Apr 93 10:11:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 93 10:11:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #59 Status: O Really-From: bkokern@acs.bu.edu (Brian Kokernak) OMD did do a cover of Neon Lights, which appeared on the album Sugar Tax. I hate to admit, but I like that version better than the one that appeared on Man Machine. Better technology, clearer sound. (Sorry folks...) From kraftwerk-request Sun Apr 11 20:11:56 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA24771 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 11 Apr 1993 13:13:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199304111813.AA24771@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA24752 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 11 Apr 1993 13:13:22 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWWB70J1Z49YCMYX@cc.uab.es>; Sun, 11 Apr 1993 20:11:56 GMT+0200 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 20:11:56 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: New Book? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Yes Al. There's a book that should be available very soon. I knew it. If you read AKTIVITAT you would knew :-) Sorry that I haven't posted this before. It's due out for mid-April. According to Ian Calder, the book will be called 'Man, Machine and Music'. It features interviews with band members (past and present) and are exclusive and were mainly conducted in French by the writer: Pascal Bussy (who did a similar book on Can). Will have a few pics as well, I hope! Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Sun Apr 11 20:18:38 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25182 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 11 Apr 1993 13:18:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199304111818.AA25182@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25158 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 11 Apr 1993 13:18:26 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWWBNI9UN49YCMYX@cc.uab.es>; Sun, 11 Apr 1993 20:18:38 GMT+0200 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 20:18:38 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Concert Gent Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Please, Hillebrand, send more info! If anybody knows about more KW dates, send as much info as you can. It might be useful to other people. Send more info, please. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Sun Apr 11 20:26:57 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25892 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 11 Apr 1993 13:27:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199304111827.AA25892@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25878 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 11 Apr 1993 13:27:32 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWWBUIKJVK9ZLEMN@cc.uab.es>; Sun, 11 Apr 1993 20:26:57 GMT+0200 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 20:26:57 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Elektric Music Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Anders Wilhelm > > To another question: Does anyone know if Elektric Music will release any > album, and/or go on tour? According to AKTIVITAT, they have an album * ready * to be released and will probably be released this spring. I hope that's soon! By the way, from their last 12" I like "Television" a lot. If anyone is into collecting different versions, the 12" and 12" pic disc have a different version of the track "TV", titled "TV 2". So I've been told, as in fact I only have the vinyl. Haven't been able to get the CD yet! BTW, what does "zeitgeist" mean ??? Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Sun Apr 11 20:45:55 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27144 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 11 Apr 1993 13:45:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199304111845.AA27144@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27131 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 11 Apr 1993 13:45:42 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWWC6L801C9YCN6Y@cc.uab.es>; Sun, 11 Apr 1993 20:45:55 GMT+0200 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1993 20:45:55 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: KLEM ... Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > >> Is anyone attending any of the two KW concerts in May (Osnabruck and/or >> Groningen)? > Yes, I've got tickets for both of them. If you want to meet me (that's inclu- > ding some other Kraftwerk-addicts from Holland) or other Mail-listers, we'll > have to make some kind of appointment (wearing T-shirts with our Mail > adresses, for example). Yeah, good idea! :) > By the way, wouldn't it be a good idea to distribute information about this > list at the concerts ? Yes, that's a brilliant idea. In fact, I mail a small flyer with all the info to subscribe to the list to people I get correspondence from. Even in AKTIVITAT, the unofficial KW fanzine, appeared a page with all the info. By the way, anybody out there from AKTIVITAT ??? > And, as I am talking about organisation: Does anybody of you there know KLEM, > ... Yes, I knew through AKTIVITAT, who included info about it in one of their issues. BTW, I assume everybody knows about AKTIVITAT, right? If anybody of you ordered a copy of the fanzine, the bad news is that they are all out of stock. The good news though is they will be reprinted (that's what Ian Calder told me). If you sent money, don't worry. I'm sure Ian will send you either the last issue reprinted or the new issue, whatever is available first. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 12 05:59:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13594 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 08:58:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199304121358.AA13594@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13583 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 08:58:53 -0500 Received: from ACS2.BU.EDU by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA49958; Mon, 12 Apr 93 09:59:01 -0400 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Received: by acs2.bu.edu (5.61+++/Spike-2.1) id AA46984; Mon, 12 Apr 93 09:59:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 09:59:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #61 Status: O Really-From: bkokern@acs.bu.edu (Brian Kokernak) Zeitgeist means "Spirit of the Age" and is used to describe the differences between the generations. From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 12 16:48:44 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19305 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 09:48:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199304121448.AA19305@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19272 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 09:48:43 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWXICG5V409ZLEN4@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 12 Apr 1993 16:48:44 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 16:48:44 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: O.M.D. Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: bkokern@acs.bu.edu (Brian Kokernak) > > OMD did do a cover of Neon Lights, which appeared on the album Sugar Tax. > I hate to admit, but I like that version better than the one that appeared > on Man Machine. Better technology, clearer sound. (Sorry folks...) I didn't knew OMD did a cover of a KW song until I read so in this list, when the list started. I lose contact with OMD after Dazzle Ships, when I heard their first single from that album... "Junk Culture" was it called? That single was just... junk. Sorry if there are OMD fans out there. Difficult for me to believe the OMD version is better than the original. By the way, Brian. No flames, but could you Brian change the "subject" field when you reply to the digest? That way we all know what the mail is all about. > Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) > ... > ( FYI the OMD album "Dazzle Ships" stands as an excellent continuation > of the themes in Radio-Activity: shortwave broadcasts, time > announcements, radio static in the ether... strongly recommended.) Agreed! Jose Garcia "No quiero ser objeto sexual, pepeg@ctivax.uab.es me calientas, despues te vas" -Sex Object- From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 12 17:19:35 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22648 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 10:19:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199304121519.AA22648@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22624 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 10:19:28 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWXJIXMB1C9YCNVI@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 12 Apr 1993 17:19:35 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 17:19:35 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: CDs in longbox Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: "Chris.Hilker" > > .... > I've never seen any of these CD's in picture longboxes, > so I can't comment as to whether they were ever released as such, but ... So there's no evidence that "Radio-Activity", "Trans-Europe Express" and "The Man Machine" were originally released in a picture longbox. Anybody has ever seen these in a picture longbox? Thanks for the info, Chris. Jose Garcia "I'm the antenna catching vibrations, pepeg@ctivax.uab.es You're the transmitter and give information" From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 12 08:10:42 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28290 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 11:11:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199304121611.AA28290@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from freya.cs.umass.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28273 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 11:11:30 -0500 Received: by freya.cs.umass.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA00642; Mon, 12 Apr 93 12:10:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 93 12:10:42 -0400 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: CDs in longbox Status: O Really-From: prabhu@freya.cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu) > >Really-From: Jose Garcia > >> Really-From: "Chris.Hilker" >> >> .... >> I've never seen any of these CD's in picture longboxes, >> so I can't comment as to whether they were ever released as such, but ... > >So there's no evidence that "Radio-Activity", "Trans-Europe Express" and >"The Man Machine" were originally released in a picture longbox. Anybody >has ever seen these in a picture longbox? Well, TEE did come out in a longbox, because I bought it in one, this was about a year and a half ago - I didn't keep the box though :( instead just cutting off the picture on it (It was the same as the one on the CD cover ). And I also saw an "EP" version of TEE with an identical cover, I believe this one just had TEE, Metal On Metal & another song from the album. Nothing new so I didn't shell out the $9.99 the store was asking for it. It's gone now though :( -- Rajesh > >Thanks for the info, Chris. > > >Jose Garcia "I'm the antenna catching vibrations, >pepeg@ctivax.uab.es You're the transmitter and give information" > From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 12 18:24:27 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29500 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 11:24:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199304121624.AA29500@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29488 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 12 Apr 1993 11:24:26 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWXLX5T5F49ZLENF@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 12 Apr 1993 18:24:28 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1993 18:24:27 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: longbox: confirm please Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: PEPEG@ctivax.uab.es I've just got your post to the KW list. Now, just one question: is it the pic that you clipped in full longbox size (12" x 5") or just a small one (5" x 5")? And what about the one you saw with the TEE EP? Please confirm, as I'd like to know, and possibly other KW collectors. Just e-mail me privately. Thanks. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 11:06:42 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA15292 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 03:08:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199304130808.AA15292@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from odin.diku.dk by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA15267 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 03:08:07 -0500 Received: from embla.diku.dk by odin.diku.dk with SMTP id AA14107 (5.65+/IDA-1.3.5 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Tue, 13 Apr 93 10:06:48 +0200 Received: by embla.diku.dk (5.65+//Lysator-3.1) id AA06826; Tue, 13 Apr 93 10:06:42 +0200 Subject: Re: CDs in longbox Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 10:06:42 +0100 (METDST) In-Reply-To: <199304121519.AA22648@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 12, 93 05:19:35 pm Organization: DIKU - Department of Computer Science, University of Copenhagen Comment: Hackers do it byte for byte... From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: O Really-From: ballerup@diku.dk (Xenobyte) kraftwerk mailing list writes: > >Really-From: Jose Garcia > >> Really-From: "Chris.Hilker" >> >> .... >> I've never seen any of these CD's in picture longboxes, >> so I can't comment as to whether they were ever released as such, but ... > >So there's no evidence that "Radio-Activity", "Trans-Europe Express" and >"The Man Machine" were originally released in a picture longbox. Anybody >has ever seen these in a picture longbox? I got my "Computer World" (Warner Bros. 3549-2) in a longbox and I've still got both the box and the CD. BTW, does anyone know why are the english language version more than a full minute SHORTER than the german (EMI CDP 564-7 46130-2)? (US: 34:32, D: 35:34) What is missing? Greetings... Per. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Per Goetterup, Student, DIKU InterNet: ballerup@diku.dk | | pgoetter@nyx.cs.du.edu | | FidoNet: 2:231/91.10 -or- Per.Goetterup@p10.f91.n231.z2.fidonet.org | | FooNet: 50:450/208.10 Nickname on IRC: Xenobyte | | DIKU is the department of Computer Science at the University of Copenhagen. | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | The most merciful thing in the world I think, is the inability of the human | | mind to corrolate all its contents... - H.P. Lovecraft, 1926 - | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 04:52:40 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19299 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 04:52:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199304130952.AA19299@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from newton.ee.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19282 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 04:52:40 -0500 Received: by newton.ee.tut.fi id AA14202 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 12:52:33 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 12:52:32 EET DST In-Reply-To: <199304080920.AA19993@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 8, 93 11:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: Jose Garcia [about BQ's Possessed] > Sounds interesting! Anyone else has heard this CD? Is your opinion similar? I've heard almost all the kraftwerk covers on that album and I feel very mixed. One DJ in radio has played them in his 'technoshow' :) I've seen that album in the store for about 2 months now and still haven't bought it. Why? Couple of reasons: 1. Too damn expensive. (about 20 USD) 2. I'm not sure at all I want to buy something that I will possible listen only once. 3. Have had better things to buy ;) The versions are _very_ interesting nevertheless. Just lately I was wondering whether there were any musical crossbreedings left to do and I couldn't think anything that would be 'weirder' than string quartet playing kraftwerk ;) I suggest everyone if possible to listen to it first before you buy it. It's so different I wouldn't suggest anyone I know to buy it without hearing it out first ;) > Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es > 'Life kills.' JS From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 11:52:32 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19334 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 04:53:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199304130953.AA19334@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19318 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 04:53:20 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWYM8LR7EO9YCP57@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 13 Apr 1993 11:52:32 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 11:52:32 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: CDs in longbox Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: ballerup@diku.dk (Xenobyte) > > I got my "Computer World" (Warner Bros. 3549-2) in a longbox and I've still > got both the box and the CD. Yes, and it's the best KW longbox. Nice packaging. The CD's released in "full picture" longbox are: Autobahn Computer World Electric Cafe The Mix All released by Elektra. (The one I'm missing is Autobahn :( Apparently, the rest (R-Activity, T-E Express, M Machine) were not released in "full picture" but in "small picture" longboxes. At least Rajesh confirmed about TEE. If anyone knows otherwise, please let us know. > BTW, does anyone know why are the english language version more than a full > minute SHORTER than the german (EMI CDP 564-7 46130-2)? (US: 34:32, D: 35:34) > What is missing? I noticed some difference in the track listing of the CDs, but didn't pay much attention. Sometimes I listen to the German version, sometimes to the English version, sometimes to the Spanish version :) depending on what I feel like. By the way, I like "Das Model" better than "The Model", with that "korrekt" line. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 06:10:27 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21491 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 06:10:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199304131110.AA21491@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21481 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 06:10:27 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <05330-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Tue, 13 Apr 1993 13:09:29 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA28190; Tue, 13 Apr 93 13:09:12 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Balanescu Quartet Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 13:09:09 METDST In-Reply-To: <199304130952.AA19299@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 13, 93 12:52 (noon) Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma > > Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > [about BQ's Possessed] > > The versions are _very_ interesting nevertheless. Just lately I was wondering > whether there were any musical crossbreedings left to do and I couldn't think > anything that would be 'weirder' than string quartet playing kraftwerk ;) > > I suggest everyone if possible to listen to it first before you buy it. It's > so different I wouldn't suggest anyone I know to buy it without hearing > it out first ;) > I agree that this record is very 'different'. I just got the idea that some of the musical higlights of Kraftwerk can be heard better if you listen to a string quartet. For music condensed to 4 voices can be analysed much more precisely. Ofcourse you loose the whole Kraftwerk 'Sound'. But you get another one back. If you can't stand the sound of four string instruments, you'd better leave the CD at your local shop. If you love classical (chamber) music AND Kraftwerk, this quartet version is not to be missed(I think). By the way, I wondered why Sex Object is not covered on this album for the string sounds in it. Hillebrand. From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 05:47:10 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00889 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 08:53:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199304131353.AA00889@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00877 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 08:53:44 -0500 Received: from unixd1.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA07339 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 09:53:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 09:47:10 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: CD "The Model" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah Hello. About a year ago I noticed a "new" Kraftwerk CD in a major store so I picked it up. It's titled "The Model" and the subheading is "Restrospective 1975-1978". I believe it's a celebration of their Capitol years. Anyway, has anyone else seen or purchased this? It has a 1992 release date, under the Capitol subsidiary Cleopatra Records. If anyone is interested I'll post the track listing tomorrow. Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu "Even the greatest stars dislike themselves in the looking glass" From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 16:10:22 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02478 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 09:10:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199304131410.AA02478@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02465 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 09:10:19 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWYVHUGQCW9ZLEZ5@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 13 Apr 1993 16:10:22 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 16:10:22 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: CD "The Model" Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Thanks Ravi for the info. Don't know if there's many people new in the list, but this was one of the first topics discussed here in the list. There's a limited edition of 5000 that come in a cloth bag, with a dreadful badge, and a photo of one of the Man Machine pics. If anyone is a collector of this stuff, you are warned! Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 17:24:41 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08829 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 10:25:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199304131525.AA08829@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08808 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 10:24:48 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWYY2TRVLC9ZLF10@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:24:41 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:24:41 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: TEE EP Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: prabhu@freya.cs.umass.edu (Rajesh Prabhu) > ... > And I also saw an "EP" version of TEE with an identical cover, I > believe this one just had TEE, Metal On Metal & another song from the album. > Nothing new so I didn't shell out the $9.99 the store was asking for it. > It's gone now though :( You are talking about a CD single with the tracks: TEE (LP version) TEE (single version) Les Mannequins Showroom Dummies right, Rajesh? It's a CD on the "Classics Capitol Dance Tracks" series. Was very interesting before the release of the "Showroom Dummies" EP, as it was the only place you could get the French version of "Showroom Dummies". Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 17:34:18 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09876 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 10:35:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199304131535.AA09876@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09851 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 10:35:15 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWYYBMPG749YCPX0@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:34:18 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:34:18 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: a KW T-shirt Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia In a mail to Hillebrand, I got from him: } > Just in case, I'm having made a T-shirt with the e-mail address! :) } } If so, send me a gif/tif or so. I'll copy it. } } Hillebrand Well, it was a joke, but now that I think about it, would be nice to have a T-shirt? What about this? front, small picture in one of the breasts: the KW cone and logo, as in the first KW LP "Kraftwerk" back, picture of the line-drawing robot dancing, as on the inner sleeves of "The Mix". Like the idea? Any other suggestions? BTW, I don't know much about the process of making a T-shirt. I know it's possible to have one made with any pictures you want, but nothing else. Jose Garcia "I program my home computer, pepeg@ctivax.uab.es beam myself into the future" -Home Computer- From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 14:10:06 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02762 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 14:10:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199304131910.AA02762@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA02746 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 14:10:06 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 13 Apr 93 21:09 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA199231, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: Concerts Osnabrueck & Groningen In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 08 Apr 93 14:35:18 T. <199304081235.AA18003@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 09:27:09 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen In message <199304081235.AA18003@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > Yes, I've got tickets for both of them. If you want to meet me (that's Hee! Ik dacht dat de kaartverkoop pas 25 april startte? Ik wil graag twee kaartjes, kan jij me daar aan helpen? Anders is 't concert straks al uitverkocht als de verkoop nog moet beginnen :-) Dank! -Rick. From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 15:43:53 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA14078 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 15:44:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199304132044.AA14078@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA14038 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 15:43:53 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 13 Apr 93 22:43 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA107689, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: Autobahn CD in longbox wanted In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 08 Apr 93 11:47:23 O. <199304080947.AA21107@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 11:16:14 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen I think longboxes are silly, and the only reason they exist is that in the US the cd itself is on display in the record shops. Without longbox they would be too easy to take away without paying. Here in Europe only the jewel box itself is on display, which explains the scratches on your brand new cd jewel box that you just bought. A good cd store gives you a brand new one of course. To prevent you from shoplifting though, some shops are now attaching a metallic sticker to books and cd's that will trigger the shop's alarm. Ever tried to remove such a goddamn bloody sticker? And if you have succeeded in removing it (in pieces of course) the glue still sits there for all eternity. Grmblll!! -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl He's a model and he's looking good From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 13 14:21:17 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26024 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:38:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199304132238.AA26024@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU ([141.217.1.3]) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26014 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 13 Apr 1993 17:38:35 -0500 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1616; Tue, 13 Apr 93 18:38:37 EDT Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4186; Tue, 13 Apr 1993 18:38:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 93 18:21:17 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Autobahn CD in longbox wanted In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 13 Apr 93 11:16:14 N Status: O Really-From: Eric On Tue, 13 Apr 93 11:16:14 N you said: >Really-From: Rick Jansen >I think longboxes are silly, and the only reason they exist is that in >the US the cd itself is on display in the record shops. Without longbox >they would be too easy to take away without paying. Alot of people thought longboxes were a waste of paper. CD longboxes are no longer manufactured, but there are still some in existing stock. The growing trend where I live is to display the CD and it's packaging (jewelbox, digipak, etc.) inside a plastic holder which is roughly the size of a longbox. The holders are removed at the time of purchase. They are recyclable, they make the CD as hard to steal as the longbox did (they're large as well as magnetic), and they provide a certain amount of protection for the jewel box too. >Here in Europe only >the jewel box itself is on display, which explains the scratches on your >brand new cd jewel box that you just bought. A good cd store gives you a >brand new one of course. To prevent you from shoplifting though, some shops >are now attaching a metallic sticker to books and cd's that will trigger >the shop's alarm. Ever tried to remove such a goddamn bloody sticker? >And if you have succeeded in removing it (in pieces of course) the glue >still sits there for all eternity. Grmblll!! A little Bestine (rubber cement thinner) might do the trick. Or just move to the US ;-) BTW, over the weekend I saw Autobahn in the longbox for $14.95. --Eric "She is immobile and she's looking good" From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 14 10:14:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01648 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 14 Apr 1993 01:14:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199304140614.AA01648@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from albireo.tdb.uu.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01638 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 14 Apr 1993 01:14:21 -0500 Received: by albireo.tdb.uu.se (4.1/1.34) id AA25322; Wed, 14 Apr 93 08:14:22 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Removing stickers... Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 08:14:21 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O Really-From: andersh@albireo.tdb.uu.se (Anders Holmberg) > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > To prevent you from shoplifting though, some shops > are now attaching a metallic sticker to books and cd's that will trigger > the shop's alarm. Ever tried to remove such a goddamn bloody sticker? > And if you have succeeded in removing it (in pieces of course) the glue > still sits there for all eternity. Grmblll!! > > -Rick. > -- Hi! To remove "normal" stickers and pricetags from my records i use a lighter; use it for a few seconds on the sticker and then pull it of slowly. If used with caution this method leaves almost no trace at all of the sticker! (if used without cation, you might reduce your collection...) /Anders Holmberg andersh@tdb.uu.se From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 14 10:02:03 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07136 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 14 Apr 1993 03:04:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199304140804.AA07136@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07124 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 14 Apr 1993 03:04:24 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GWZWOSFNK09YCSJ7@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 14 Apr 1993 10:02:03 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 10:02:03 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: CD longboxes Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > I think longboxes are silly, Well, I don't. > and the only reason they exist is that in > the US the cd itself is on display in the record shops. Without longbox > they would be too easy to take away without paying. ... Agree. As for the sillynes of the longboxes, I think it is a much more attractive and better package than just the CD with the small booklet/insert. You have a much bigger picture. What I hate of CDs is the very small picture you have of the cover. You almost need a glass magnifier to see anything. And now with minidiscs, you will need a microscope! I also know about special CD releases in a good 12" x 12" package, some in Japan. You might answer "just get the album". Sure I do. But I can't resist to collecting the longboxes as well. I like them! And I'm not the only one. Sometimes you can see ads in record collecting magazines advertising some rare CD in "original picture longbox", ... And I know about other people who collects them ... Anyway, it's up to you. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 14 15:50:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09588 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 14 Apr 1993 07:42:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199304141242.AA09588@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09557 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 14 Apr 1993 07:41:57 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net(EUnetD-2.2.5.b) via EUnet id MB18809; Wed, 14 Apr 1993 14:40:49 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Concert in Nuremberg Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 13:50:21 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: O Really-From: Mike Lyons I meant to post this earlier: I just got the events calendar for Mach 1, which is a club here in Nuremberg specializing in techno/rave/trance. Among the concerts listed was: SPECIAL CONCERT K R A F T W E R K unplugged Thursday, April 1, 1993 tickets available at the usual outlets Mike -- ================================================================================ | Michael D. Lyons | Telefon: +49 911 996750 | EMail: mdl@BinTec.DE | | BinTec Computersysteme | Telefax: +49 911 6880725 | | | Willstaetter Strasse 30 / D-8500 Nuernberg 60 / GERMANY | ================================================================================ From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 14 15:06:06 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA11070 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 14 Apr 1993 08:06:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199304141306.AA11070@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA11038 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 14 Apr 1993 08:06:00 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GX07MVFDOG9ZLFG8@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 14 Apr 1993 15:06:06 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 15:06:06 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Concert in Nuremberg Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Very good one, Michael. I suppose you didn't miss such event! ;-) Jose Garcia "It's more fun to compute" pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 14 16:07:06 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22153 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:03:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199304150203.AA22153@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from bsu-cs.bsu.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22135 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:03:21 -0500 Received: by bsu-cs.bsu.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA27652; Wed, 14 Apr 93 21:07:07 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Concert in Nuremberg Date: Wed, 14 Apr 93 21:07:06 EST In-Reply-To: <199304141242.AA09588@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 14, 93 1:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) > > Really-From: Mike Lyons > > I meant to post this earlier: > > I just got the events calendar for Mach 1, which is a club here in > Nuremberg specializing in techno/rave/trance. Among the concerts > listed was: > > SPECIAL CONCERT > > K R A F T W E R K > unplugged > > Thursday, April 1, 1993 > tickets available at the usual outlets > *ahem* You didn't happen to see the DATE on this, did you??? SOmething about an APril Fool's joke, maybe???? --- WE@SEL front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 15 04:56:13 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21046 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:56:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199304150956.AA21046@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21031 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:56:13 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <25881-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 11:55:07 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA07615; Thu, 15 Apr 93 11:54:42 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Removing stickers... Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 11:54:41 METDST In-Reply-To: <199304140614.AA01648@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 14, 93 8:14 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma > To remove "normal" stickers and pricetags from my records i use a > lighter; use it for a few seconds on the sticker and then pull it of slowly. > If used with caution this method leaves almost no trace at all of the sticker! > (if used without cation, you might reduce your collection...) > > /Anders Holmberg > > andersh@tdb.uu.se > There are more safe methods for removing glue. Here in holland you can get 'Sticker-Remover' in certain shops. Maybe this stuff is bad for the environment, but a burnt-down record/cd-sleeve is even worse. Hillebrand From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 15 15:52:12 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26427 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:53:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199304151353.AA26427@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26397 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:52:47 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GX1NIM2NRK9ZLG2J@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 15:52:12 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 15:52:12 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: The concerts in '93 Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia It seems then that, apart from the unplugged concert ;) Kraftwerk are doing 3 shows in May. I do think they will playing new stuff. What do you think? Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 15 08:57:02 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26955 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:57:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199304151357.AA26955@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax2.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26923 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:57:02 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 15 Apr 93 15:55 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA131023, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: Removing stickers... In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 15 Apr 93 11:54:41 T. <199304150956.AA21046@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 15:54:58 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen In message <199304150956.AA21046@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > > > To remove "normal" stickers and pricetags from my records i use a > > lighter; use it for a few seconds on the sticker and then pull it of > slowly. Nononono! I wouldn't have complained as I did if those alarm-trigger- stickers would have been 'normal' glue. You see, its rather abnormal glue. And they use abnormal glue, because shoplifters-in-spe would have no problem removing the stickers in the shop. This glue really is the stickiest stuff I know. Most solvents advised here will probably also attack the jewel case. On the Kraftwerk-note: when I bought the vinyl Autobahn back in 74 or 75 (I was 14 or 15 then) there was a sticker on it "The US top lp". When I took this off in some places there was glue left, while in other places the thin plastic of the sleeve itself came off. The glue I tried to remove with my mum's nailpolish remover, which only made matters worse. So I have a mutilated original Autobahn (weeeeh!). You see, this frustration stems from my youth! > There are more safe methods for removing glue. Here in holland you can > get > 'Sticker-Remover' in certain shops. Maybe this stuff is bad for the env > ironment, > but a burnt-down record/cd-sleeve is even worse. Call me old-fashioned, but I disagree. The environment is more important than whatever sleeve. Oh, and smoking is bad for your health, remember that young man! :) -Rick -- rick@sara.nl She's adhesive and she's looking good From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 15 09:35:32 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA02017 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:39:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199304151439.AA02017@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01693 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:35:32 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 15 Apr 93 16:34 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA132457, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: a KW T-shirt In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 13 Apr 93 17:34:18 O. <199304131535.AA09876@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 16:17:24 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen Hmm.. if you want to dress up kraftwerkuesque a tshirt isn't the way to go. Either you dress up totally in black, or with a red shirt. Oh, and a tie with little led's of course. -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl "We are models and our ties with little red lights look good" From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 15 10:05:07 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA04795 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 10:05:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199304151505.AA04795@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA04783 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 10:05:07 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <28492-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:05:01 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA10432; Thu, 15 Apr 93 17:04:42 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Removing stickers... Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 17:04:40 METDST In-Reply-To: <199304151357.AA26955@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 15, 93 3:54 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma > Really-From: Rick Jansen > In message <199304150956.AA21046@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > > Really-From: "H." Boorsma > > There are more safe methods for removing glue. Here in holland you can > > get > > 'Sticker-Remover' in certain shops. Maybe this stuff is bad for the env > > ironment, > > but a burnt-down record/cd-sleeve is even worse. > > Call me old-fashioned, but I disagree. The environment is more important > than whatever sleeve. Oh, and smoking is bad for your health, remember that > young man! :) > Sorry, but the one with the lighter was not my advice (I erased just one line to much, look at the number of >'s. And did you realise that all kinds of poisonnous gasses may come from burning Vynil or CD plastic ? Hillebrand 'Vinyl flammability Pollutes the air for you and me' From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 15 07:30:44 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08889 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 10:35:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199304151535.AA08889@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08876 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 10:35:31 -0500 Received: from unixd3.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA25914 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 11:35:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 11:30:44 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: TechnoPop LP? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah I don't know if this had been discussed here, but wasn't the first side of "Electric Cafe" supposed to have been on the aborted album "TechnoPop" ? I remember reading that this was to be released in 1983, but the record company pulled the LP after horrible sales. Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu "Nous sommes les mannequins" p.s. Thanks for the advice Jose! From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 15 18:44:40 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18127 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 11:46:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199304151646.AA18127@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18087 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 11:46:36 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GX1TLBSNM89YCY8R@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:44:40 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:44:40 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: TechnoPop LP? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: PEPEG@ctivax.uab.es Well, EMI in the UK did want to have a new album for sale, as Tour de France was being a success with so many airplay, as it was being used for sports programmes on TV, etc. so the company did want to release an album wich initially was going to include, Musique non Stop, Technopop, Tour de France, and I think another track (very few tracks, you see). Apparently, the band didn't feel happy with the mix and the LP release was delayed... 3 years !!! Jose Garcia "La musica ideas portara pepeg@ctivax.uab.es y siempre continuara. Sonido electronico, -Technopop- Decibel sintetico" From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 15 18:48:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18452 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 11:49:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199304151649.AA18452@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18395 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 11:48:44 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GX1TPJTOXS9ZLG8G@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:48:47 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:48:47 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: a KW T-shirt Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: PEPEG@ctivax.uab.es OK. What about a Kraftwerk tie then? Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 15 13:48:08 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21407 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:50:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199304152350.AA21407@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21386 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:50:04 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA07764; Thu, 15 Apr 93 18:48:10 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: a KW T-shirt Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 18:48:08 CDT In-Reply-To: <199304151649.AA18452@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 15, 93 6:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: PEPEG@ctivax.uab.es > > OK. What about a Kraftwerk tie then? Cool...can we get that really cheesy one that Ralf (I think...don't have the picture handy) is wearing on the inside sleeve photo of "Radioactivity"? The silly painted one with the dog? That'd be about as close to a "Kraftwerk tie" as _I_ could think of...authentic looking, at least. D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 03:10:31 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08356 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 03:10:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199304160810.AA08356@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ee.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08345 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 03:10:31 -0500 Received: by ee.tut.fi id AA12330 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 11:10:28 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: TechnoPop LP? Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:10:28 EET DST In-Reply-To: <199304151646.AA18127@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 15, 93 6:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: PEPEG@ctivax.uab.es > > Apparently, the band didn't feel happy with the mix and the LP release was > delayed... 3 years !!! I don't mind the delay that much but what really is annoying is that they left the best kwsong ever (Tour De France) out. Why ? I have a nagging feeling that this subject might have been bashed to death earlier but I want to know nevertheless ;) Is TDF on Rebuilt 1 or 2 ? Don't remember right now. And more important are those 2 CDs more expensive than other bootlegs ? 'Life kills.' JS From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 04:16:48 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13150 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:16:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199304160916.AA13150@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13136 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:16:48 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 16 Apr 93 11:16 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA171668, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: TechnoPop LP? In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 15 Apr 93 11:30:44 D. <199304151535.AA08889@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:15:23 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen In message <199304151535.AA08889@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: Ravindra S Shah > > I don't know if this had been discussed here, but wasn't the first side > of > "Electric Cafe" supposed to have been on the aborted album "TechnoPop" > ? I > remember reading that this was to be released in 1983, but the record c > ompany > pulled the LP after horrible sales. As far as anybody I know knows Technopop was never released. Unless an informed journalist will ask em in an interview, no one will ever know what happened to Technopop. Maybe the upcoming biography (book) will shed light. As it was never released the record company cannot have pulled the lp because of horrible sales. The 'horrible sales' probably applies to Electric Cafe, as this was a highly unsuccesful album. And too short too. -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl She's a rumour and she's looking good. From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 13:20:39 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13400 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:21:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199304160921.AA13400@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13389 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:20:56 -0500 Received: from ume.cs.umu.se by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA03745; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 11:20:50 +0200 Received: from fridhem.cs.umu.se by ume.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA03332; Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:20:48 +0200, auth dvlawm X-Auth-From: dvlawm Received: by fridhem.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA22673; Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:20:42 +0200 Return-Path: From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: TechnoPop LP? Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 11:20:39 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199304160810.AA08356@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 16, 93 11:10:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se > > Is TDF on Rebuilt 1 or 2 ? Don't remember right now. And more important > are those 2 CDs more expensive than other bootlegs ? > Tour de France is on Rebuilt 1, and it is quite a good version too, different from the version(s) they played on their UK-tour. Rebuilt is the best bootleg so far (in my opinion) from the 91 tour with a very good version of Pocket Calculator. Buy it! /anders -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * trafo@unitech.se * feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 11:25:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13798 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:30:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199304160930.AA13798@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13655 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:28:04 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GX2SK7L09S9ZLGFD@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 11:25:33 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 11:25:33 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: TechnoPop LP? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia | Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne | | > Really-From: PEPEG@ctivax.uab.es | > | > Apparently, the band didn't feel happy with the mix and the LP release was | > delayed... 3 years !!! | | I don't mind the delay that much but what really is annoying is that they left | the best kwsong ever (Tour De France) out. Why ? I have a nagging feeling | that this subject might have been bashed to death earlier but I want to know | nevertheless ;) Well, we have never talked about this subject in the list. In fact the list started a short time ago, so do not hesitate to bring topics to the list. This is one of the most obscure subjects about the KW history. I think they originally planned to include it in the album, as it had been released on single a few months ago, and could be interpreted as and advance of the album. But 3 years later, this was no longer true, so they left it out. And also maybe they thought it really didn't fit quite well with the rest of the tracks. Who knows ... The truth is that I don't think we'll ever be able to hear the versions intended to be included in "Technopop", apart from an edit of the title track which can be found in two diff. bootleg CDs: Rebuilt in '92 part 2 Remixes Quite different it is. Does anybody have a tape of this never released LP? In a conversation with Karl Bartos, not myself but Paul Wilkinson, a contri- butor to the AKTIVITAT fanzine, Karl said to know nothing about the story of the Technopop LP. Maybe will know more in the _maybe_already_released_? new book on KW. | Is TDF on Rebuilt 1 or 2 ? Don't remember right now. And more important | are those 2 CDs more expensive than other bootlegs ? Tour de France can be found in all the KW bootlegs recorded from 1990 onwards. And yes, I did have to pay more for Rebuilt, but of course it depends on the dealer/record store you buy the CDs. I wonder why they haven't re-released the KW Tour de France single on CD. Maybe KW own the rights to do this and they don't want to? That's what happens with their 3 first albums. They are the ones who can decide whether to re-release these sought-after albums or not. Please, Ralf, Florian, give permission for a re-release of your first 3 albums on CD! Jose Garcia "Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" pepeg@ctivax.uab.es -Technopop- From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 06:17:11 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08627 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 06:17:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199304161117.AA08627@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08614 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 06:17:11 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 16 Apr 93 13:16 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA181551, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: TechnoPop LP? In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:25:33 O. <199304160930.AA13798@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:15:17 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen > I wonder why they haven't re-released the KW Tour de France single on C > D. > Maybe KW own the rights to do this and they don't want to? That's what > happens with their 3 first albums. They are the ones who can decide whe > ther > to re-release these sought-after albums or not. In fact, Kraftwerk own the rights to all their albums. They made a big mistake by selling the rights for Autobahn to the record company (Philips in those days) for a few thousand dollars. Then Autobahn made it into a million seller, without getting Kraftwerk the money of course. Since this happened they always kept the rights and just license their music to the record company. If you look carefully you'll see that the albums are "(c) and (p) Kraftwerk", not the record company as with most artists. I think Kate Bush does it likewise. After 10 years the rights on Autobahn came back to Kraftwerk, and was then released by EMI. I don't think they will rerelease their first 3 albums. It is music from another era, and not like Kraftwerk is these days. Personally, I like only Ruckzuck and Kling Klang a lot, the rest is too experimental to my taste. > In a conversation with Karl Bartos, not myself but Paul Wilkinson, a contri- > butor to the AKTIVITAT fanzine, Karl said to know nothing about the story > of the Technopop LP. Maybe this only stresses the idea that Bartos and Flur weren't very important band members. Hutter in an interview once said he wanted a percussionist just to keep the beat, and nothing more... -Rick. -- rick@sara.nl EMI and KGB Control the Kraftwerk re-release From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 06:18:06 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08666 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 06:18:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199304161118.AA08666@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ee.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08654 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 06:18:06 -0500 Received: by ee.tut.fi id AA22741 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:18:04 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Tour De France Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 14:18:03 EET DST In-Reply-To: <199304160930.AA13798@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 16, 93 11:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > The truth is that I don't think we'll ever be able to hear the versions > intended to be included in "Technopop", apart from an edit of the title > track which can be found in two diff. bootleg CDs: > Rebuilt in '92 part 2 > Remixes Remixes ? New bootleg ? What does it have ? Soundquality ? Remixers ? Rare ? :) If this is any good I'd love to have this [too] ;) Are there any other remixbootlegCDs floating around ? > I wonder why they haven't re-released the KW Tour de France single on CD. Me too and also why didn't they include in The Mix (would've fit perfectly there). > Maybe KW own the rights to do this and they don't want to? That's what > happens with their 3 first albums. They are the ones who can decide whether > to re-release these sought-after albums or not. Don't want to ? Strange. Though I hardly think they'd need the money they'd get from those re-releases :) > Please, Ralf, Florian, give permission for a re-release of your first 3 > albums on CD! Right and make new stuff more often. That 5 years between each album since Computerworld is ridiculous ;) Shame they are not on the list, or are they ? O:) 'You're the antenna, catching vibrations.' JS From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 15:35:20 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19805 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 08:35:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199304161335.AA19805@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19769 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 08:35:33 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GX30TT1D8G9ZLGNM@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:35:20 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:35:20 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Tour De France Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia | Remixes ? New bootleg ? What does it have ? Soundquality ? Remixers ? Rare ? Remixes is a bootleg CD that compiles several promo DJ remixes of some KW tracks. I doubt these remixes are legal. They are quite good, these remixes. And as a bonus you have one track from the famous "Technopop" LP. I think it compiles all the DJ and club remixes of KW tracks, or at least the best of them. The cover has a pic. of Flur I think. Some of these remixes are on the Rebuilt '92 part 2, to fill the CD. | > I wonder why they haven't re-released the KW Tour de France single on CD. | | Me too and also why didn't they include in The Mix (would've fit perfectly | there). Well, maybe it is because the new version is not so different from the original. | Shame they are not on the list, or are they ? O:) They're the antenna catching vibrations. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 15:46:04 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21169 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 08:47:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199304161347.AA21169@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21136 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 08:46:46 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GX31CGVP689YCYGA@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:46:04 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:46:04 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Best bootleg from the '91 tour Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Rebuilt is the best bootleg > so far (in my opinion) from the 91 tour with a very good version of Pocket > Calculator. Buy it! > > /anders The bootleg with the best sound is IMO "N1 to Zurich". It doen't feature the full show. The best bootleg with the full show is, I agree, is "Rebuilt". Both of these are in German. Don't know about a decent bootleg from the last tour in English. Maybe English don't know how to record concerts with good sound quality? I've heard about a new bootleg from the '91 tour that comes from a DAT tape from a concert in Milano, I think (sure it is in Italy). That will be in English. Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 15:55:22 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22486 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 08:56:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199304161356.AA22486@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22387 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 08:55:57 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GX31QJG3LC9YCYGA@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:55:22 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:55:22 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: new stuff Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia | Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne | ... | Right and make new stuff more often. That 5 years between each album since | Computerworld is ridiculous ;) Yeah. I asked a question about this topic in the list, yesterday I think. I'll repeat it here: KW are going to do 3 concerts in May. Do you think, as I do, they will play new material. I think so because, prior to the release of The Mix, they did 2 or 3 concerts in Italy, and played some of the songs that, * with some changes *, would appear later on The Mix (hear "Return of the Mensch Maschine" 2LP). That was in late '90. Are we now near the release of new stuff then? Opinions? Thoughts? Info? Jose Garcia "Sonido electronico, decibel sintetico" pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 16:51:17 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29300 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 09:52:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199304161452.AA29300@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29271 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 09:52:47 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPEG@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GX33LIJFQ89ZLGOY@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 16:51:17 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 16:51:17 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: first 3 albums Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > I don't think they will rerelease their first 3 albums. It is music from > another era, and not like Kraftwerk is these days. Personally, I like only > Ruckzuck and Kling Klang a lot, the rest is too experimental to my taste. I also think they will not rerelease them, which is a pity, IMO of course. Ralf said in some recent interviews they would remix these 3 albums and rerelease them. I don't believe it until I see it. It is music from another era, but it forms part of KW history. Yes, they are not the albums I listen to several times per week or month, but you know, sometimes I feel like listening to the roots. Ruckzuck and Kling Klang are excellent tracks, and there are others interesting. Von Himmel Hoch is so funny, I laugh when I hear it. And Ralf & Florian is, IMO, an excellent album. Much nearer to the later KW work. Ralf, Florian: release it in the digital domain!!! Jose Garcia pepeg@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 06:44:36 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA29408 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 09:53:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199304161453.AA29408@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU ([141.217.1.3]) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA29376 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 09:53:30 -0500 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4480; Fri, 16 Apr 93 10:53:28 EDT Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8218; Fri, 16 Apr 1993 10:53:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 10:44:36 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Bartos' contribution In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:15:17 N Status: O Really-From: Eric On Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:15:17 N you said: >Really-From: Rick Jansen >> In a conversation with Karl Bartos, not myself but Paul Wilkinson, a contri- >> butor to the AKTIVITAT fanzine, Karl said to know nothing about the story >> of the Technopop LP. >Maybe this only stresses the idea that Bartos and Flur weren't very >important band members. Hutter in an interview once said he wanted a >percussionist just to keep the beat, and nothing more... I found it interest to note the composing credits after Bartos joined Kraftwerk. After TEE he becomes a prominent composer, displacing Schneider. Judging by the credits alone, it would seem that the Man Machine, Computer World, and Electric Cafe are mostly Hutter-Bartos collaborations. This is just my personal observation and could be far from reality. :) --Eric "Now is the time on the Kraftwerk list when we dance!" From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 16 21:01:53 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA16757 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:02:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199304161702.AA16757@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from albireo.tdb.uu.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA16643 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 16 Apr 1993 12:02:05 -0500 Received: by albireo.tdb.uu.se (4.1/1.34) id AA14900; Fri, 16 Apr 93 19:01:53 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Removing stickers... Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 19:01:53 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: O Really-From: andersh@albireo.tdb.uu.se (Anders Holmberg) > Sorry, but the one with the lighter was not my advice (I erased just one > line to much, look at the number of >'s. And did you realise that all kinds > of poisonnous gasses may come from burning Vynil or CD plastic ? > > Hillebrand > > 'Vinyl flammability > Pollutes the air for you and me' > Since i was the one with the lighter advice i migth add that to days date i have not even had an accident with this method...:-) /Anders From kraftwerk-request Sat Apr 17 14:33:33 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21418 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 17 Apr 1993 19:35:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199304180035.AA21418@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21404 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 17 Apr 1993 19:35:30 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA01908; Sat, 17 Apr 93 19:33:33 CDT Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 19:33:33 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: That Koln '71 bootleg! Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Oh, boy...this is a real can of worms here...I'm listening to a tape copy of it right now, and I'll tell you right off the bat that the track listing that shows that it's one long version of "Ruckzack" is _extremely_ wrong! I'll post something else after I get done listening to the tape in its entirety, but as a forewarning of what's to come in a rundown of this...the track I'm listening to right now bears a _very_ suspicious resemblance to a rough version of "Hallogallo"...by NEU! Could be those past histories co-mingle a little more than we were led to believe... D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) From kraftwerk-request Sun Apr 18 22:47:14 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27852 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sun, 18 Apr 1993 13:47:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199304181847.AA27852@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sunic.sunet.se by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27836 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 18 Apr 1993 13:47:36 -0500 Received: from ume.cs.umu.se by sunic.sunet.se (5.65c8-/1.28) id AA18553; Sun, 18 Apr 1993 20:47:22 +0200 Received: from sofiehem.cs.umu.se by ume.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA24775; Sun, 18 Apr 93 20:47:21 +0200, auth dvlawm X-Auth-From: dvlawm Received: by sofiehem.cs.umu.se (5.65+bind 1.7+ida 1.4.2/91-02-01) id AA22266; Sun, 18 Apr 93 20:47:17 +0200 Return-Path: From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Best bootleg from the '91 tour Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1993 20:47:14 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199304161347.AA21169@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 16, 93 03:46:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se > > Both of these are in German. Don't know about a decent bootleg from > the last tour in English. Maybe English don't know how to record concerts > with good sound quality? I have got two tapes from their last consert at Brixton Academy, the 20th, wich a bought at Cambden Market, the day after the consert. The quality is very, very good. Normally the stereo-picture is scew on bootlegs, but on this boot it seems that the bootlegger has been standing somewhere in the middle, that makes it sound "right"... On "Rebuilt" some of the great stereo effects on T.E.E are gone. Another of my favourite bootlegs, is Machine, with that great version of Metropolis. /anders -- *************************************************************************** * Anders Wilhelm * em: dvlawm@cs.umu.se * "I program my Home-computer, * * Umea University * trafo@unitech.se * feel myself into the future" * * Sweden * * -Florian Schneider, 1981 * *************************************************************************** From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 19 04:31:05 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00599 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 19 Apr 1993 04:31:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199304190931.AA00599@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ee.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA00587 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 19 Apr 1993 04:31:05 -0500 Received: by ee.tut.fi id AA03742 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Mon, 19 Apr 1993 12:31:02 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Misc things Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:31:01 EET DST In-Reply-To: <199304161335.AA19805@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 16, 93 3:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > | > I wonder why they haven't re-released the KW Tour de France single on CD. > | Me too and also why didn't they include in The Mix (would've fit perfectly > | there). > Well, maybe it is because the new version is not so different from the > original. Well, I think Music Non Stop and Homecomputer weren't that different either ;) > | Shame they are not on the list, or are they ? O:) > They're the antenna catching vibrations. and We're transmitter give information. (btw, is this the earliest track that is very much similar to techno nowadays ?) 'Life kills.' JS From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 19 04:53:21 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01398 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 19 Apr 1993 04:53:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199304190953.AA01398@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ee.tut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01384 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 19 Apr 1993 04:53:21 -0500 Received: by ee.tut.fi id AA05081 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Mon, 19 Apr 1993 12:53:15 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Best bootleg from the '91 tour Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:53:15 EET DST In-Reply-To: <199304181847.AA27852@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 18, 93 8:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > Really-From: dvlawm@cs.umu.se > > I have got two tapes from their last consert at Brixton Academy, the 20th, > wich a bought at Cambden Market, the day after the consert. > The quality is very, very good. Normally the stereo-picture is scew on > bootlegs, but on this boot it seems that the bootlegger has been standing > somewhere in the middle, that makes it sound "right"... On "Rebuilt" some > of the great stereo effects on T.E.E are gone. Hmm. How was Rebuilt recorded in the first place ? Not from soundboard like Virtu Ex Machina ? If it was taped by someone in the audience (yikes) then how does the soundquality compare to, say, Virtu Ex Machina (on which the soundquality is excellent) ? 'Life kills.' JS From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 19 09:53:47 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07533 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 19 Apr 1993 13:03:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199304191803.AA07533@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07507 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 19 Apr 1993 13:02:50 -0500 Received: from CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6198; Mon, 19 Apr 93 14:03:07 EDT Received: from WAYNEST1 (NJE origin EIVERSO@WAYNEST1) by CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8797; Mon, 19 Apr 1993 14:03:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 93 13:53:47 EDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Techno of today In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:31:01 EET DST Status: O Really-From: Eric On Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:31:01 EET DST you said: >and We're transmitter give information. (btw, is this the earliest track >that is very much similar to techno nowadays ?) It's too subjective to say. I've always felt that TEE was the most influential (techno wise) Kraftwerk tune. Numbers is certainly worth mentioning too. As far as "today" goes, well, I feel that Kraftwerk is a much a part of today's techno sound as anybody else. And let's not forget Autobahn, which predates the above mentioned songs. Any others? Kraftwerk was a major influence on the early ('81) Detroit techno of Juan Atkins and Cybotron. Juan cited Computer World as the best techno album of all time. --Eric "Now is the time on the Kraftwerk list when we dance! Auf Wiedersehen!" From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 20 03:08:38 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06483 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 20 Apr 1993 03:08:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199304200808.AA06483@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06469 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 20 Apr 1993 03:08:38 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <10330-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Tue, 20 Apr 1993 10:08:13 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA00492; Tue, 20 Apr 93 10:07:45 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Concert Balanescu Quartet Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 10:07:41 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma Hi there, I want to give you a short review : Concert : Balanescu Quartet At: Paradiso, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Visitors: about 200 When: Monday April 19, 21:00 Yesterday I visited the concert of the Balanescu Quartet with the subtitle: 'The Kraftwerk Concert'. For people that only came for the KW transcriptions as they can be found on their CD possessed, the first part of the concert may have been too long. The pieces played before the break were some film music ( with a Schulze-like drum machine ), a modern African String Quartet ( from a technical point of view this was extremely complex music... they managed to play it really good ) and a composition of the leader of the quartet. After the break there were some movements of a string quartet by Michael Nymann. They really exited me for their minimal aspects. And so they were moving to the minimal music of Kraftwerk. All adaptations from the CD were played, with nice color matchings of the stage lighting: Blue at Autobahn, Red at The Model. Balanescu even head a combined headset / microphone on his head for Pocket calculator. The crowd got really excited when they played the Kraftwerk songs. I think in a live situation, they worked even better than on the CD. Technically they played the pieces very well. The rythms were as exact as you can ask from acoustic instruments. And they seemed to have much fun playing the KW tracks themselves. As the concert should end, the visitors did not stop their applause, so they came back for 2 other pieces: another Nyman piece and Hanging Upside Down from David Byrne. I may conlude saying that visiting the concert was really enjoying. I heard some beautifull 'serious' music and really had fun hearing Kraftwerk played this way. (just forgot to say that they use electric amplification... Hillebrand ... I think this is as far as you can go with Kraftwerk unplugged ... From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 20 15:44:43 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20985 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 20 Apr 1993 15:44:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199304202044.AA20985@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20949 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 20 Apr 1993 15:44:43 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 20 Apr 93 22:44 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA100604, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: That Koln '71 bootleg! In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 17 Apr 93 19:33:33 CDT. <199304180035.AA21418@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 22:43:15 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen In message <199304180035.AA21418@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) > s...the track I'm listening to right now bears a _very_ > suspicious resemblance to a rough version of "Hallogallo"...by NEU! > Could be those past histories co-mingle a little more than we were > led to believe... But, they do! Neu, Can, La Dusseldorf, it was all one bunch of hippy-esque guys. Some names that spring to mind are Klaus Dinger, Holger Czukay (spelling?, sorry), Andreas Hohmann. All long-hair weird-cigarette-smoking types if you get my drift :-) Hutter and Schneider were simply part of this. Don't forget it was the end of the 60's in post war Germany, a rather confused period for many German young people. Hutter and Schneider met in '68, so this year they could celebrate a 25-year musical marriage. -Rick Jansen -- rick@sara.nl They weren't models, and they were looking awful Not drinking champagne either, I bet. From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 20 15:53:23 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22437 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 20 Apr 1993 15:53:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199304202053.AA22437@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vax3.sara.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22412 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 20 Apr 1993 15:53:23 -0500 Received: from diamond.sara.nl by SARA.NL for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu; 20 Apr 93 22:53 MET Received: by diamond.sara.nl (5.61-AIX-1.2/1.0), id AA100667, (for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu, from sscprick@diamond.sara.nl); X-Old-Cc: sscprick@diamond.sara.nl Subject: Re: Misc things In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 19 Apr 93 12:31:01 T. <199304190931.AA00599@cs.uwp.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 22:44:29 N From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Status: O Really-From: Rick Jansen In message <199304190931.AA00599@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > Really-From: Salmij{rvi Janne > > 'Life kills.' > JS "Life is timeless!" From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 20 16:02:22 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08730 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 20 Apr 1993 21:04:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199304210204.AA08730@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08712 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 20 Apr 1993 21:04:24 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA10840; Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:02:23 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: That Koln '71 bootleg! Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:02:22 CDT In-Reply-To: <199304202044.AA20985@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 20, 93 10:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Rick Jansen > > In message <199304180035.AA21418@cs.uwp.edu> you write: > > Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) > > s...the track I'm listening to right now bears a _very_ > > suspicious resemblance to a rough version of "Hallogallo"...by NEU! > > Could be those past histories co-mingle a little more than we were > > led to believe... > > But, they do! Neu, Can, La Dusseldorf, it was all one bunch of > hippy-esque guys. Some names that spring to mind are Klaus Dinger, > Holger Czukay (spelling?, sorry), Andreas Hohmann. All long-hair > weird-cigarette-smoking types if you get my drift :-) Hutter and > Schneider were simply part of this. Don't forget it was the end > of the 60's in post war Germany, a rather confused period for many > German young people. Yup...now, this bootleg has Michael Rother on it, playing with Hutter and Schneider, and one other player who I forget (it's _not_ supposed to be Klaus Dinger but...well, it's a bootleg, you never know). The track lineup isn't one long version of "Ruckzack": here's what it really is: 1) incomplete track, suspicious resemblance to NEU!'s "Negativland" without the trademark "screech" guitar noise. 2) "Ruckzack" 3) something which sounds very suspiciously like a rough-edged version of NEU!'s "Hallogallo" in the guitar parts, but which about 4 minutes before the end turns out to be "Vom Himmel Hoch". And if you thought the first couple of KW albums didn't resemble the "Autobahn" and beyond stuff, this boot _really_ doesn't. Like I said, it has a sound that's closer to NEU! in a lot of places. A lot of this is directly attributable to the fact that it's extremely obvious that the lead guitarist is Rother...the sound and style is unmistakable, very identical to what one finds on the NEU! albums. The drumming isn't NEU!-like, though; it's very busy, lots of cymbal crashes, quite unlike Dinger's "tick-tock" metronomic style. It's an interesting document, this 1971 boot. It solves a couple of rhetorical questions about what a combination between NEU! and Kraftwerk (which supposedly exists as a studio effort, albeit unreleased) would sound like. The sound quality isn't top-notch, granted, but as a historical document it's pretty impressive. D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 22 12:08:24 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19792 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 22 Apr 1993 05:18:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199304221018.AA19792@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19423 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 22 Apr 1993 05:17:53 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXB7OYW2WG9YDHG1@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 22 Apr 1993 12:08:24 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 12:08:24 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: new mail address (sorry) Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Just a quick note: For all of you who e-mail me, I now have a new address (in fact a new user name). My new full address is: PEPE@ctivax.uab.es (PEPE instead of PEPEG). Thanks and sorry about this mail unrelated to Kraftwerk. Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 22 19:03:46 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01562 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 22 Apr 1993 19:03:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199304230003.AA01562@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vmtecqro.qro.itesm.mx by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01540 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 22 Apr 1993 19:03:46 -0500 Received: from VMTECQR2.QRO.ITESM.MX by VMTECQRO.QRO.ITESM.MX (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.2MX) with BSMTP id 0408; Thu, 22 Apr 93 18:03:39 CST Received: from VMTECQR2 (NJE origin ASANCHEZ@VMTECQR2) by VMTECQR2.QRO.ITESM.MX (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5701; Thu, 22 Apr 1993 18:03:22 -0600 Date: Thu, n DMS. 93 18:02:59 CST From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Organization: Instituto Tecnologico de Monterrey, Campus Queretaro Subject: Subscribe Status: O Really-From: ASANCHEZ@VMTECQR2.BITNET Subscribe- From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 22 18:11:41 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20339 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 22 Apr 1993 22:12:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199304230312.AA20339@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vaxb.stevens-tech.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20325 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 22 Apr 1993 22:11:54 -0500 Received: from VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (PMDF #2500 ) id <01GXBUM9740K9PMASA@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>; Thu, 22 Apr 1993 23:11:41 EST Date: 22 Apr 1993 23:11:41 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: kraftwerk X-Vms-To: IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: MCDATMAN Hallo, I am new to this so inform me as to what to do. I have been a Kraftwerk nerd for all of my youth and adult life. I have early records and posters. I have all there is on CD except a few bootlegs which I have had trouble getting. The best collection I have ever seen is from a friend in Seattle named Baby Teeth, he is quite famous, he and I have worked together to promote Kraftwerk in a big way for the past ten years in Seattle. I am sending him the discography tonight to see if he can add anything more to it. He really has an incredible collection, none that I have ever seen match it. However, there are alot of KW listeners out there and I am sure they have someting better or something I have not heard. If so let us know. I am a German-American and have been to Duesseldorf many times as well to the Matten Wiechers studios around Muenchen and Bonn. I know people who have partied with Ralf und Florian. However, I have never met them personally. The only thing I have from Kraftwerk that I consider priceless is a poster from the Ralf und Florian Phillips release in mint condition and it is totally cool. I have a badly worn "Orange Cone" Kraftwerk first release fold-out and have been looking for other old stuff. I will be writing alot in the future. I have access to this Vax cluster at all times. I will be in Engineering school for the next three years and live in Hoboken, NJ. I have never seen KW live, my old-boss saw them in 1975 in Seattle, and many of my friends saw them in Germany last time they toured. I was living in NYC and they cancelled. I even had backstage passes because a friend from Seattle now works at Elektra records. I saw OMD that night instead, quite appropriate huh. Too bad they did not play neon lights from the new album. John From kraftwerk-request Sat Apr 24 07:17:38 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA06273 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 24 Apr 1993 14:17:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199304241917.AA06273@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from triton.unm.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA06261 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 24 Apr 1993 14:17:41 -0500 Received: by triton.unm.edu (5.65/0.1) id ; Sat, 24 Apr 1993 13:17:39 -0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: New US "Man Machine" CD Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 13:17:38 MDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL8] Status: O Really-From: Lazlo Nibble Any comments on the quality of the new Cleopatra/Caroline US reissue of "Man Machine"? I notice that the twits have changed the cover art completely. They're also scheduled to reissue "TEE" sometime in the next month or so. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) The Dancers Laugh. From kraftwerk-request Sat Apr 24 19:13:19 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00662 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Sat, 24 Apr 1993 19:13:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199304250013.AA00662@cs.uwp.edu> Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA00648 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk); Sat, 24 Apr 1993 19:13:19 -0500 Resent-From: datta (David Datta) Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1993 19:13:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) Resent-To: kraftwerk Received: from ucrmath.ucr.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27350 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 24 Apr 1993 18:32:17 -0500 Received: by ucrmath.ucr.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10993; Sat, 24 Apr 93 16:39:02 PDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: New US "Man Machine" CD Date: Sat, 24 Apr 93 16:39:01 BST In-Reply-To: <199304241917.AA06273@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 24, 93 1:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Status: O Really-From: kzim@ucrmath.ucr.edu (christopher zimmerman) Lazlo writes: > Any comments on the quality of the new Cleopatra/Caroline US reissue of > "Man Machine"? I notice that the twits have changed the cover art > completely. They're also scheduled to reissue "TEE" sometime in the next > month or so. Weren't "Radio-Activity," "Trans-Europe Express" and "The Man Machine" already rereleased a while ago? I seem to remember being in a Tower Records, looking at the covers and cursing CEMA. At least they were cheap. Or maybe this is yet ANOTHER rerelease. I can't keep track of Capitol's seemingly clueless handling of the Kraftwerk releases they control. Anyway, someone apparently thinks I'm going to be tricked into buying more copies of discs I bought 5 years ago because they have different cover art. Feh. If so, why aren't they being reissued in order? Christopher Robin Zimmerman From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 26 09:36:31 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07942 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 02:37:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199304260737.AA07942@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07925 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 02:36:51 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXGNL9ITLS9YDODB@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 09:36:32 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 09:36:31 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: New US "Man Machine" CD Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: Lazlo Nibble > ... > I notice that the twits have changed the cover art completely. Can you send a description of the new cover ? Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 26 09:58:44 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09110 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 02:59:50 -0500 Message-Id: <199304260759.AA09110@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09085 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 02:59:21 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXGNTOF3M89YDODB@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 09:58:44 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 09:58:44 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: kraftwerk Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: MCDATMAN > > Hallo, > > I am new to this so inform me as to what to do. Welcome John to the KW mailing list! You just can post your opinions, articles, info about new releases, and any info in general related to KW. As you are new to the list and it seems you're a big KW fan, I recommend you to get the back issues of the KW digest, which you can get via ANONYMOUS FTP from ftp.uwp.edu. They are in the directory /pub/music/lists/kraftwerk/digests. You'll find interesting discussion in the latests digests. As you are a big fan, maybe you're interested in getting the unofficial KW fanzine made for fans by fans: AKTIVITAET. It is an excellent fanzine, with nice colour pics on the front and back cover. Ah, it is written in English! The address to contact with the fanzine is: I A C 108 Cummings Park Crescent Northfield ABERDEEN AB2 7AR SCOTLAND, UK Do send an International Reply Coupon with all correspondence to Ian. Issue 4 will probably be out in June. About the discography, it has many mistakes and I'd like to contribute to make it better, but 1) I don't have the time 2) AKTIVITAET is an excellen source of info about all the worldwide KW releases in all formats. So John, we are looking forward to read your opinions, thoughts, etc. on the KW mailing list. Jose Garcia "La musica ideas portara pepe@ctivax.uab.es y siempre continuara Sonido electronico, Decibel sintetico" -Technopop- From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 26 12:36:25 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25404 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 09:33:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199304261433.AA25404@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25335 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 09:33:28 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXGTTH6N5S9ZLL7P@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 12:36:26 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 12:36:25 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: TechnoPop LP? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia The track listing for the aborted "Technopop" album that I mentioned was wrong. Seems the tracks that were going to be included were: Technopop Telephone Call Sex Object Tour de France And in the "Remixes" bootleg CD there are two tracks from this album in fact: "Technopop" and another one (I think it's "Sex Object"). I'll have to get this "Remixes" CD ! Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 26 20:47:02 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25978 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 13:47:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199304261847.AA25978@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25956 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 13:47:20 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXHAYWH4IO9YDVPU@cc.uab.es>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 20:47:02 GMT+0200 Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 20:47:02 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Techno of today Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia About the "Techno of today" mails, let's not forget their great 3rd album Ralf & Florian. There are several tracks that give the lines that they would follow later: Kristallo, Tanzmusik (translation: Dance Music). Jose Garcia "I'm the operator of my pocket calculator" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 26 10:07:25 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28382 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 14:08:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199304261908.AA28382@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vaxb.stevens-tech.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28363 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 14:08:18 -0500 Received: from VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (PMDF #2500 ) id <01GXGZ53F8JQ8Y50MX@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 15:07:26 EST Date: 26 Apr 1993 15:07:25 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Techno of today X-Vms-To: IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: MCDATMAN In regards to the album Ralf and Florain. I have an original on Phillips with the 8-gate poster, the artwork is great. If you have not seen it, then I will try and make a .GIF or .BMP picture of it and post it on this ftp site. It is in mint condition, including the record, I think the album truly is one of their best of the early works. John ...von Himmel hoch.... From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 26 23:49:27 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA03124 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 14:49:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199304261949.AA03124@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sally.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA03109 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 14:49:40 -0500 Received: from hathi (hathi.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by sally.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/sally-2) id AA16704; Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:49:21 +0200 Received: by hathi (4.1/POOL.3) id AA24468; Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:49:28 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Techno of today Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 21:49:27 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199304261908.AA28382@cs.uwp.edu> from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 26, 93 03:07:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Really-From: lupo@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de > > Really-From: MCDATMAN > > In regards to the album Ralf and Florain. > > I have an original on Phillips with the 8-gate poster, the artwork is great. > > If you have not seen it, then I will try and make a .GIF or .BMP picture > of it and post it on this ftp site. Please do it! I'd really love to see this picture. Anybody else ? > > John > ...von Himmel hoch... da komm' ich her ;-) -- Lutz From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 26 13:28:35 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA20955 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:28:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199304262228.AA20955@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vaxb.stevens-tech.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA20940 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:28:51 -0500 Received: from VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (PMDF #2500 ) id <01GXH669L9YO8Y52ZX@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 18:28:36 EST Date: 26 Apr 1993 18:28:35 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Techno of today X-Vms-To: IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: MCDATMAN In regards to the Ralf and Florian poster. When I return to Seattle after my finals here in NJ I will get a hold of a scanner and post it after I return from Europe. I recieved a message from Jose Garcia and he says there are going to be three shows in Europe this summer? Has anyone heard about KW touring here in the US, since they cancelled their last tour here I believe this is very doubtful. John From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 26 13:58:12 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA23362 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:59:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199304262259.AA23362@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vaxb.stevens-tech.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA23335 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:59:26 -0500 Received: from VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (PMDF #2500 ) id <01GXH6ZMQTC08Y5353@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 18:58:12 EST Date: 26 Apr 1993 18:58:12 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: RUCKZUCK X-Vms-To: KRAFTWERK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: MCDATMAN For all that are interested in knowing what todays techno musicians are doing with the original stuff. Here is one that I found in a techno magazine from Berlin. It was not available in the US so I had to get it from the record label directly. It comes from Germany under the name Technocrat's. It is labelled Ruckzuck, and it is 6 version of the orginal done in modern fashion, but the inegrity is still there. Details: Rought Trade GmbH RTD 176.1252.2 26 CD 5" A Boing Boom Tschakk Production 1991 Rough Mix Composer Data: Huetter/Schneider Music Data: Doerper/Gamble/Gordon/Kirk/Schmidt The Mixes: 1- Ruckzuck-Duesseldorf #3 2- Ruckzuck-Nottingham #1 3- Ruckzuck-Sheffield #1 4- Ruckzuck-Duesseldorf #1 5- ....zuck-Sheffiel #4 6- Ruckzuck-Duesseldorf #2 The cover: An Original looking "Orange Cone" The Disc: Safety Yellow with two Safety Cones Opinion: Excellent Question: Did they get a hold of the original master tapes to get the samples? They are too clear to be taken from vinyl, or is technology just that good? JOHN From kraftwerk-request Mon Apr 26 15:59:17 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA23887 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 22:59:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199304270359.AA23887@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from carina.unm.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA23874 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 26 Apr 1993 22:59:19 -0500 Received: by carina.unm.edu (5.65/0.1) id ; Mon, 26 Apr 1993 21:59:17 -0600 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: RUCKZUCK Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 21:59:17 MDT X-Old-Cc: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu In-Reply-To: <199304262259.AA23362@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 26, 93 6:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL8] Status: O Really-From: Lazlo Nibble > Music Data: Doerper/Gamble/Gordon/Kirk/Schmidt Is there any indication whether the Doerper is *Ralf* Doerper, from Die Krupps and Propaganda? -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) Show me how you do that trick -- the one that makes me scream, she said From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 09:21:26 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA07396 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 02:26:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199304270726.AA07396@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA07327 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 02:24:42 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXI11OTQN49YDSG0@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 27 Apr 1993 09:21:27 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 09:21:26 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: the 3 KW concerts in Europe Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: IN::"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia As there's always new people in the list, some of you might haven't heard about the latest KW shows in the last week of May. > From: CCUAB::IN%"USP_JRICHEY@SITVXC.BITNET" "MCDATMAN" > To: IN%"PEPE@ctivax.uab.es" > > Three shows, what three shows? Need to know more. ... KW are doing 3 concerts in the last week of May, in Europe, all of them near Duesseldorf: Osnabrueck (Germany) Groningen (Holland) Gent (Belgium) I do believe they will be testing new stuff, as they did in the 20th anniversary tour, with a few dates in Italy testing the material that would eventually appear in "The Mix". If that's true, I hope this time it's not just "new mixes", but as they now have competitors (that is: Elektric Music, with an inminent new album) maybe they have enough motivation :) I'll probably attend 2 or even the 3 shows, as it's not very usual KW doing shows in the last 3 years. See you there! Jose Garcia "La musica ideas portara pepe@ctivax.uab.es y siempre continuara" -Technopop- From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 09:53:16 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08523 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 02:54:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199304270754.AA08523@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08501 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 02:53:57 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXI2FC9S9C9YDJZ2@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 27 Apr 1993 09:53:16 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 09:53:16 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: RUCKZUCK Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Question: > Did they get a hold of the original master tapes to get the samples? > They are too clear to be taken from vinyl, or is technology just that good? > > JOHN I've read that some well equiped studios have a high-tech device with a software that can clean the sound from a vinyl, being able to get an excellent quality master from a vinyl. Jose Garcia ...the one that makes me laugh she said... pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 16:08:02 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA22497 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 09:08:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199304271408.AA22497@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA22464 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 09:07:54 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXIF3IE6O09ZLLT6@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:08:02 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:08:02 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Robot Pop Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia "The mechanical universe of Kraftwerk has been cloned or copied in Detroit, Brussels, Milan, Manchester and even psychedelicised by the delerium of house music. You can define it as you want; sci-fi music, techno-disco, cybernetic rock. But the term I prefer even so is robot pop. It fits in with our objective which consists of working without respite toward the construction of the perfect pop song for the tribes of the global village." Ralf Huetter. This quote is taken from a flyer I've just got in my post box, at home, that Ian, from AKTIVITAET, has kindly sent. It's a flyer announcing the new and unique KW book: "KRAFTWERK - MAN, MACHINE and MUSIC The Definitive Biography by Pascal Bussy." "S.A.F. Special pre-publication offer for AKTIVITAET readers." :) It has some advantages to read the unofficial KW fanzine :) "A 200 page quality paperback book including previously unpublished photographs. Published price 11.95 UK pounds. ISBN 0 946719 098. Available from mid-April 1993." So it seems it's already available! "Complete and return the coupon below and reserve a copy of the book for just 10 UK pounds including free postage (UK only). Europe add 1.50. Rest of the world: 2.00 (Surface mail allow 28 days for delivery)" SAF Publishing Ltd, 12 Conway Gardens, Wembley, Middx. HA9 8TR. England. Tel: 081 904 6263 Interesting, eh? Jose Garcia "She's a biography and she's looking good" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 16:14:35 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA23302 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 09:15:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199304271415.AA23302@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA23278 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 09:15:25 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXIFRPXKK09YDSWC@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:14:35 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:14:35 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Elektric Music LP released ? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia According to an Ian's contact "the Elektric Music LP will be released in Germany on April 22nd" ??? What can "our contacts" in Germany say? Jose Garcia pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Sat Apr 27 07:12:02 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA08073 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 11:12:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199304271612.AA08073@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vaxb.stevens-tech.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA08044 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 11:12:22 -0500 Received: from VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (PMDF #2500 ) id <01GXI7COXX8W8Y553R@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>; Tue, 27 Apr 1993 12:12:02 EST Date: 27 Apr 1993 12:12:02 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Robot Pop X-Vms-To: IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: MCDATMAN In reference to the book. What is the coupon you have referred to? I would like to get a copy of the book. John ..am Heimcomputer sitzt.... From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 01:53:58 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12593 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 11:44:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199304271644.AA12593@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ames.arc.nasa.gov by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12560 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 11:44:15 -0500 Received: from ultra.UUCP by ames.arc.nasa.gov with UUCP id AA15145 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 08:59:14 -0700 Received: from froth.ultra.com by ultra.com id AA07334 (4.1/Ultra-1.4-10-10-91 for kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu); Tue, 27 Apr 93 08:53:58 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 08:53:58 PDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Elektric Music LP released ? Status: O Really-From: jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson) =>According to an Ian's contact "the Elektric Music LP will be released =>in Germany on April 22nd" That's good news. I just purchased the two CD singles this past weekend, and enjoyed what I heard. I wonder how long it'll take the album to reach the US west coast. /jeff From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 18:47:37 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA13056 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 11:47:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199304271647.AA13056@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA13000 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 11:46:45 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXIKYT83B49ZLLL5@cc.uab.es>; Tue, 27 Apr 1993 18:47:37 GMT+0200 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 18:47:37 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Robot Pop Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: MCDATMAN > > What is the coupon you have referred to? Well, it's a coupon that is on the flyer I mentioned I got, below the text that I've transcribed. You see, I'm a reader of AKTIVITAET ==> I get the coupon :) Anyway, I think you can get it without the coupon. In the coupon you have to give some data: name, address, etc... and there's even space to fill in your Access/Visa card number and expiry date and signature !!! Methods of payment are cheques in pounds sterling drawn on a British bank, or credit card. Jose Garcia "1, 2, 1, 2, 4, 6" -Numbers- pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Sat Apr 27 08:27:07 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18938 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 12:27:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199304271727.AA18938@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vaxa.stevens-tech.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18919 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 12:27:31 -0500 Received: from VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (PMDF #2500 ) id <01GXI9YPD8F48Y54W7@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>; Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:27:07 EST Date: 27 Apr 1993 13:27:07 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Elektric Music LP released ? X-Vms-To: IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: MCDATMAN Hi Jeff Johnson, Where did you purchase these CDs in the US. John usp_jrichey@sitvxc.stevens-tech.edu ...progamm wir die Zukunft mir.... From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 08:29:29 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26556 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:31:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199304271831.AA26556@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26528 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:31:41 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA29185; Tue, 27 Apr 93 13:29:30 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Robot Pop Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 13:29:29 CDT In-Reply-To: <199304271408.AA22497@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 27, 93 4:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > > "KRAFTWERK - MAN, MACHINE and MUSIC > The Definitive Biography by Pascal Bussy." Just a little info FYI...Pascal Bussy is also the author on the biography of/on The Can, which is supposed to be pretty authoritative and well-written. Sounds like another book to try to get... D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 08:52:27 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA28968 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:54:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199304271854.AA28968@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA28957 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 13:54:39 -0500 Received: by cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (AIX 2.1 2/4.03) id AA29272; Tue, 27 Apr 93 13:52:28 CDT From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: RUCKZUCK Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 13:52:27 CDT In-Reply-To: <199304270754.AA08523@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 27, 93 9:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Status: O Really-From: dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) Previously, kraftwerk mailing list wrote: > > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > > Question: > > Did they get a hold of the original master tapes to get the samples? > > They are too clear to be taken from vinyl, or is technology just that good? > > > > JOHN > > I've read that some well equiped studios have a high-tech device with a > software that can clean the sound from a vinyl, being able to get an > excellent quality master from a vinyl. Oh, even basic studios can do this nowadays. If you get Digidesign's Pro Sound Tools, you can get a plug-in software module called DINR (Digidesign Intelligent Noise Reduction). This module can strip most any continuous broadbanded noise (like vinyl hiss or rumble, etc), and by using _very_ tight edits in PST, you can take any click or pop right out. I've used PST to master the rec.music.industrial CD compilation, and am going to be putting a PST installation in my own studio (yes, with DINR). Price? Maybe about $10K, all totalled, including a monster-sized hard disk to record to. D.A.C. Crowell Computer Music Project/School of Music University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign (dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu) -- From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 07:38:59 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA19990 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:38:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199304272138.AA19990@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from june.cs.washington.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA19978 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:38:54 -0500 Received: by june.cs.washington.edu (5.65b/7.1ju) id AA13446; Tue, 27 Apr 93 14:38:59 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 14:38:59 -0700 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Return-Path: In-Reply-To: kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu's message of Tue, 27 Apr 93 04:00:09 CDT <199304270900.AA12703@cs.uwp.edu> Subject: Kraftwerk Digest V1 #74 Status: O Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) > A Boing Boom Tschakk Production > 1991 Rough Mix > Composer Data: Huetter/Schneider > Music Data: Doerper/Gamble/Gordon/Kirk/Schmidt Holy oscillators, Batman! That would be: Mark Gamble = Rhythmatic Robert Gordon + Richard Kirk = Sweet Exorcist + there was a Doerper in Propaganda, oder nichts? Perhaps this is a single from an upcoming all-star remix album like YMO, Planet Rock and Alter Ego have had recently. Keep your eyes peeled! Richard From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 13:51:56 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA21908 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:54:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199304272154.AA21908@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from pop.pitt.edu (shadow-blue.cis.pitt.edu) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA21893 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 16:54:30 -0500 Received: from unixd1.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA13807 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 17:54:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 17:51:56 -0400 (EDT) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Richard Kirk? In-Reply-To: <199304272138.AA19990@cs.uwp.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Really-From: Ravindra S Shah > Really-From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty) > > > > A Boing Boom Tschakk Production > > 1991 Rough Mix > > Composer Data: Huetter/Schneider > > Music Data: Doerper/Gamble/Gordon/Kirk/Schmidt > > Holy oscillators, Batman! That would be: > > Mark Gamble = Rhythmatic > Robert Gordon + Richard Kirk = Sweet Exorcist > + there was a Doerper in Propaganda, oder nichts? Is this the same Richard Kirk from Cabaret Voltaire? --- Ravi Shah shah+@pitt.edu "...Shimmering neon lights..." From kraftwerk-request Tue Apr 27 15:28:00 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA04214 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 18:31:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199304272331.AA04214@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from att.att.com (att-out.att.com) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA04188 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 18:30:57 -0500 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 19:28 EDT Subject: Ri-Mi-Ni ??? Status: O Really-From: rmb@cblph.att.com A local CD shop just informed me that they can get some Kraftwerk boots. There are a couple I don't remember being discussed and was wondering if anyone knows anything about them. They are: Ri-Mi-Ni (Italy 90) European Tour (91-92) Does anyone have opinions on these? Track listing, sound quality, whatever. Rich... { Rich Brack /-/ _ i don't want to be your angel } { rmb@cblph.att.com /-/ _|_|_ i want to be your witch! } { \-\/-/ ( * )tch -yello } { \/\/ /^\ } From kraftwerk-request Sat Apr 27 15:37:15 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12934 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 19:37:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199304280037.AA12934@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vaxa.stevens-tech.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12899 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 27 Apr 1993 19:37:35 -0500 Received: from VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (PMDF #2500 ) id <01GXIOZFROG08Y546T@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>; Tue, 27 Apr 1993 20:37:15 EST Date: 27 Apr 1993 20:37:15 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Ri-Mi-Ni ??? X-Vms-To: IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: MCDATMAN I will send the following again about the Boots I rececntly acquired. Dave Datta, I received your Discography of Kraftwerk, it is excellent. I would like to tell you I have more to add, and that if you ever hear of anyone who has any of the early stuff let me know. I have the Kraftwerk album released in GE on Phillips that folds out, and the Ralf und Florian on Phillips with a 8-gate (fold) poster. Really cool old stuff, and I have never seen it ever documented as you have, it is incredible. Thank you very much. Here is what I have found as of late: Bootleg CDs "Numbers" Japan K8109 1-Numbers 2-Computer World 3-Computer Love 4-Home Computer 5-Neon Lights 6-Autobahn 7-Showroom Dummies 8-Trans Europe Express 9-The Robots 10-It's More Fun to Compute September 7th, 1981 total playing time 72:38 "Rimini-Rimini" 1990 Tour*Double CD Italy Love and Money LMO4.2 CD 1 0-Introduction 1-Numbers 5:50 2-Computer World 3:49 3-Tour de France 6:42 4-The Model 3:55 5-Computer Love 7:36 6-Home Computer 7:46 7-Autobahn 14:51 8-Radioactivity 6:03 CD2 1-Trans Europe Express 11:09 2-Pocket Calculator 8:46 3-The Robots 12:48 4-Musique Non Stop 13:53 1992 FerroGrafica Italy Sound Quality on both is very good, perhaps the older one is better. I have heard others say that this is the best one. John From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 28 09:48:03 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09300 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 28 Apr 1993 02:51:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199304280751.AA09300@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09278 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Apr 1993 02:50:41 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXJGGCZSXC9YDT7N@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 28 Apr 1993 09:48:03 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 09:48:03 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Ri-Mi-Ni ??? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia Ri-mi-ni Ri-mi-ni is a 2CD set with the full concert in Bologna, Italy, in 1990, so it is exactly the same concert as the one included in the 2LP I sent info about called "The return of the Mensch-Maschine - 20th anniversary tour". Remember? As I said, it is a very interesting recording with early versions of "The Mix", different. Sth. between the original versions and the versions from "The Mix". If you have the choice, go for the vinyl: it IS A LOT BETTER !!! The CD version is a bit slow. BTW, if anyone is interesting I have a copy of the Ri-mi-ni Ri-mi-ni CD, and would sell/swap it. Jose Garcia "1, 2, 1, 2, 4, 6" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 28 09:55:55 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09528 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 28 Apr 1993 02:56:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199304280756.AA09528@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09517 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Apr 1993 02:56:25 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXJGPC6P0W9YDT7N@cc.uab.es>; Wed, 28 Apr 1993 09:55:55 GMT+0200 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 09:55:55 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Numbers CD Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia There's a second version of the "Numbers" CD. The disc is different to the original version. It is no longer yellow with the drawings of the kraftwerker heads, as in the "Pocket Calculator" single. This version has the same title and all. Remember there are 2 other different versions of this CD: "Virtu ex Machina", with a cover similar to the Man Machine LP "Nippon Numbers", with an excellent live colour pic of the men operating their calculators. Jose Garcia "I'm the operator with my pocket calculator" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 28 07:07:06 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA12730 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 28 Apr 1993 07:07:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199304281207.AA12730@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA12715 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Apr 1993 07:07:06 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <02669-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Wed, 28 Apr 1993 14:06:53 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA18735; Wed, 28 Apr 93 14:06:39 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: KW in Linz Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 14:06:36 METDST In-Reply-To: <199304270726.AA07396@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 27, 93 9:21 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma > Really-From: Jose Garcia > > As there's always new people in the list, some of you might haven't heard > about the latest KW shows in the last week of May. > > > From: CCUAB::IN%"USP_JRICHEY@SITVXC.BITNET" "MCDATMAN" > > To: IN%"PEPE@ctivax.uab.es" > > > > Three shows, what three shows? Need to know more. ... > > KW are doing 3 concerts in the last week of May, in Europe, all of them > near Duesseldorf: > > Osnabrueck (Germany) > Groningen (Holland) > Gent (Belgium) > In addition to this, you should know that KW will perform on the Arts Elektro- nica festival in Linz, Austria in June or July. I'll try to put more info on the mail list when I find out more. Hillebrand From kraftwerk-request Wed Apr 28 07:32:11 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA01993 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 28 Apr 1993 10:32:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199304281532.AA01993@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA01979 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Apr 1993 10:32:14 -0500 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA41324; Wed, 28 Apr 93 11:32:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 11:32:11 -0400 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Speech Sythesis. Status: O Really-From: bkokern@acs.bu.edu (Brian Kokernak) Does anyone know what software or hardware they used to create the speech synthesis found in a lot of KraftWerk, Elektric Music songs? Plus, is the "Boing Boom Tschak" computer generated? I can tell that the "Musique Non Stop" and "Techno Pop" are, but I'm iffy on the others. Oh, about the speech for "Baby Come Back" by Elektric Music, can anyone out there idetify the toy that the "Alright, Why?, Oh" noises came from? And last but not least, my guess for the hardware is an Amiga computer, partly cuz with tinkering with the options in the "say" program, I can get it to sound almost exactly like the voices on "The Mix". From kraftwerk-request Sun Apr 28 19:37:56 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA09344 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Wed, 28 Apr 1993 23:38:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199304290438.AA09344@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from vaxa.stevens-tech.edu by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA09324 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 28 Apr 1993 23:38:11 -0500 Received: from VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU by VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (PMDF #2500 ) id <01GXKBHECE6O8Y5AAE@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>; Thu, 29 Apr 1993 00:37:56 EST Date: 29 Apr 1993 00:37:56 -0500 (EST) From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: KW Videos X-Vms-To: KRAFTWERK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: MCDATMAN I have a compilation of KW Videos made by my friend James "Baby Teeth". Most of them come from Rockamerica and MTV. They are as follows: TEE Old Black and White Style, Trains, DB, Maerklin, Good Stills. The members smoking in TEE Trains. Very classy. Good sound. The Robots In the studio at Kling Klang, the Neckties have diodes which flash to the music. The Model Very vogue, models in B&W, perhaps pictures from the `50s. Pocket Calculator Tour pictures, the infamous stage with the Neon names. Tour de France The best, old tour pictures, perhaps of the Binda era, great nostalgia for a cyclist. (I follow the tour every year, MASI). Musique Non Stop MTV Telephone Call MTV Radioaktivitaet Old very good, silver gloved hand, shows good profiles of R&F. Very basic, the light and silver glove. These are all the music videos that I know of which are in print. If there are more let's talk about it. John NTSC Format please. PAL I have access to a converter, high quality. From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 29 10:47:11 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA25759 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 29 Apr 1993 03:47:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199304290847.AA25759@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA25733 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 29 Apr 1993 03:47:37 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXKWWVGV1S9YE5GW@cc.uab.es>; Thu, 29 Apr 1993 10:47:11 GMT+0200 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 10:47:11 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Elektric Music LP released ? Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Really-From: Jose Garcia I've been told that the release of the imminent Elektric Music album has been delayed, due to some problems with the promotional video they're doing for the album. Should be out soon though. The KW book has also suffered some delay. Jose Garcia "Computer activity is in the net for you and me" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 29 04:28:43 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27718 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 29 Apr 1993 04:28:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199304290928.AA27718@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from saha.hut.fi by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27706 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 29 Apr 1993 04:28:43 -0500 Received: by saha.hut.fi (5.65c/7.0/S-TeKoLa) id AA07009; Thu, 29 Apr 1993 12:28:40 +0300 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Kraftwerk .MODs WHERE ??? Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 12:28:38 EET DST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Status: O Really-From: Jouko Huhtala Is there _ANY_ Kraftwerk mods around ?? I haven't found any. ! -- T: Jokke E-mail jhuhtala@vipunen.hut.fi ' When things run smooth, it's already more than enough. ' - M.L.Gore From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 29 05:16:01 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA18392 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 29 Apr 1993 05:16:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199304291016.AA18392@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from dutrun.tudelft.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA18277 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 29 Apr 1993 05:16:01 -0500 Received: from duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl by dutrun.tudelft.nl with SMTP (PP) id <12844-0@dutrun.tudelft.nl>; Thu, 29 Apr 1993 12:15:56 +0200 Received: by duttncb.tn.tudelft.nl (16.6/15.6) id AA22530; Thu, 29 Apr 93 12:15:38 +0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Kraftwerk .MODs WHERE ??? Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 12:15:35 METDST In-Reply-To: <199304290928.AA27718@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 29, 93 12:28 (noon) Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Status: O Really-From: "H." Boorsma > Really-From: Jouko Huhtala > Is there _ANY_ Kraftwerk mods around ?? I haven't found any. ! Once upon a time at my home computer (Commodore 64) I programmed 'The model' for it's 3-channel analog soundchip But I'm afraid that won't run on a PC, but if you are interested let me know. Besides, I think that using a 8-bit machine is more in the spirit of computerworld. So, Does anyone have Kraftwerk songs for the c64 ? Hillebrand - I programmed my home computer Kraftwerk sound into the future - From kraftwerk-request Thu Apr 29 06:48:25 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA27581 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Thu, 29 Apr 1993 06:48:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199304291148.AA27581@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from sihp03.si.estec.esa.nl by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA27569 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 29 Apr 1993 06:48:25 -0500 Received: by sihp03.si.estec.esa.nl (16.7/16.2) id AA24878; Thu, 29 Apr 93 13:55:19 +0100 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request X-Admin: Requests for add/removal to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Subject: Re: Kraftwerk .MODs WHERE ??? Date: Thu, 29 Apr 93 13:55:19 MET In-Reply-To: <199304290928.AA27718@cs.uwp.edu>; from "kraftwerk mailing list" at Apr 29, 93 12:28 (noon) Organization: ESA-ESTEC (European Space Research and Technology Center) Keplerlaan 1 2200 AG Noordwijk (EUROPA) Phone: Int +31 1719 83606 Fax: Int +31 1719 84697 Machine: HP-UX sihp03 A.B8.05 A 9000/730 941406112 Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.33] Status: O Really-From: Andrea TONI > Is there _ANY_ Kraftwerk mods around ?? I haven't found any. ! Hi, here there is one .. it's me !!! Ciao, ------------------------------------------------ENV---ENV---ENV---------------- Andrea TONI (andrea@sihp03.si.estec.esa.nl) | | | Planetary and Space VCO-->VCF-->VCA--> DUCATI 900SS Science Division (SI) | | | ------------------------------------------------LFO---LFO---LFO---------------- From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 30 11:46:05 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA16633 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 30 Apr 1993 04:59:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199304300959.AA16633@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA16600 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 30 Apr 1993 04:58:44 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXMDB9ENCG9YE9HK@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 30 Apr 1993 11:46:05 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 11:46:05 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: speech synthesis Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Jose Garcia > Really-From: bkokern@acs.bu.edu (Brian Kokernak) > > Does anyone know what software or hardware they used to create > the speech synthesis found in a lot of KraftWerk, Elektric > Music songs? It's known the speech machine that KW have. They can enter what phonemes they want and the output of the machine is the synthetic voice pronouncing these phonemes. That's the way they can synthesize voice in any language: English, German, Spanish, ... Jose Garcia "Computer activity is in the net for you and me" pepe@ctivax.uab.es From kraftwerk-request Fri Apr 30 15:58:12 1993 Received: by cs.uwp.edu id AA26372 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for kraftwerk-members); Fri, 30 Apr 1993 09:03:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199304301403.AA26372@cs.uwp.edu> Received: from CCUAB1 (cc.uab.es) by cs.uwp.edu with SMTP id AA26338 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 30 Apr 1993 09:03:38 -0500 Received: from DECNET-MAIL (PEPE@CTIVAX) by cc.uab.es (PMDF #2461 ) id <01GXMLXLSZZ49YE9AL@cc.uab.es>; Fri, 30 Apr 1993 15:58:12 GMT+0200 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 15:58:12 GMT+0200 From: kraftwerk (kraftwerk mailing list) To: kraftwerk Errors-To: kraftwerk-request Subject: newsletter/fanzine in the U.S. Organization: Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona X-Ps-Qualifiers: /charset=dec-mcs X-Vms-To: CCUAB::IN%"kraftwerk@cs.uwp.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: O Requests for add/removal from this list to kraftwerk-request@cs.uwp.edu Really-From: Jose Garcia I've been asked to spread some info for the people in the U.S. There's a KW fan in the US who is thinking of starting a newsletter or a fanzine on KW. If you are interested, get in touch with him, and let him know where you got to know about it :) Fred Becker Mach 25 Music P.O. Box 26331 IN 46226 Jose Garcia "Computer activity is in the net for you and me" pepe@ctivax.uab.es